📌gimshim-help

[violet cipher]

where in nod-krai is this wood?

[elder bluff]

yes

[crude snow]

Around the small body of water on the new island

[red condor]

can someone help me build my team, im lowkey trash

[quaint fern]

Don't ask to be helped

Give us your roster

[bright cape]

i see many recommend escoffier on scrolls. have u tried that?

[quaint fern]

I think I ran it on optimizer the other day

It was pretty similar (either bc of my poor scroll set or my gt being good) but I haven't tried it in test dummy yet

[red condor]

alr here it is

[quaint fern]

Oh that explains a lot

You're still relatively early in the game, what are you trying to do?

[zenith thicket]

Gave skirk ayakas mistsplitter and now idrk what weapon to give ayaka.
She has r1 finale rn but idm making it r5 or should i just give her r1 moonweavers dawn?

I tested some stuff and found that ayaka quickswap and skirk NA is the best dps

Also since i have mistsplitter and (theoretically) finale r5 is skirks sig even worth it

[calm eagle]

What are some easy to build and great to invest in characters that I should
This is primarily for long term Spiral Abyss cus I wanna 36 star at some point

[quaint fern]

Holy dps

Most efficient domain for you is to probably farm the natlan domain. If you want to do stygian/abyss current trends are pointing towards needing at least one lunar dps

If you want to work on Varka, he'll probably be worse than your natlan DPSes but you can probably work on using smth like furina mona jean

[fiery wigeon]

uhhh how do i make mavuika stop applying too much pyro so i can actually mel her burst like i am gettign really annoyed at this yum a saurus

its like i either full burst but no melt or hald burst with a melt

no inbetween like is she jsut bad at the saurus

[quaint fern]

what rotation are you using?

also I forget but this boss might self apply? it's been a while since i've fought the guy

[fiery wigeon]

ahh turns out i was the problem just but chasca in the mavuika team sn bam both accounts done

[fiery wigeon]

lowkey i think he might or mayeb has somethign to do with mavvuikas e but i just put chasca there and bamn

[lyric cargo]

they have the same app frequency, but afaik Citlali has more frontload app at the beginning (also she's a catalyst and can do an additional hit that way)

this should let Citlali clear a pyro aura and let cryo take over. pyro is the dominant side, meaning that to keep it melting is an unstable equilibrium

you apply pyro, it removes the cryo aura. you need to reapply cryo before every pyro application.

if you mess up the timing and apply pyro again too early, it will take two 1u cryo hits to clear a 1u pyro aura. then a third cryo hit to re-establish cryo aura.

basically this won't happen without on-fielding a cryo unit again, ideally someone like Citlali who can do multiple frontloaded cryo hits before her regular application (every other hit, same as Escoffier)

[fiery wigeon]

i was doing mav skill, xilonin e 3nas, citlali e burst, mav burst i had kazuha there as the 4th for 12-3 but turns out just having another dps is way better lol

[quaint fern]

erm you werent bursting on kazuha were you?

[fiery wigeon]

no, he was afk in this chamber pm

[quaint fern]

no for the yumkasaur

[fiery wigeon]

yeah thats waht i mean on the saurus i only used mav, ccitlali and xilonen i didnt touch kazabruh

he was sight seeing fr

[quaint fern]

yeah you probably needed to add on the citlali n1

[fiery wigeon]

actually i got a question, does bennet c6 overide catalysts?

[quaint fern]

no

[fiery wigeon]

ohhhhhhhhhhh

🤣 i been doing it wrong this whole time

[quaint fern]

only physical attacks that dont have a form of elemental infusion

[fiery wigeon]

lmao

[quaint fern]

usually if it says infusion, it can be overridden by other effects: bennett c6, chongyun skill, etc

coverted usually implies that it cant be overridden, also it usually says this explicitly

[fiery wigeon]

i see thank you, i shall have to remember this in the future

i wonder if anyones used candace like at all

[quaint fern]

these's this weird c6 candace for arle team isn't there? @lyric cargo

[hazy lotus]

she offers like just enough for arle to vape consistently or something like that but the only point to it is it’s aoe hydro instead of st

[opal surge]

It's really bad

It's a gimmick really

[rugged sparrow]

is it really that bad

~40% NA dmg and just enough hydro app

[opal surge]

The hydro app is gimmicky and not trivial to keep and she does no damage herself

I'd sooner recommend playing xq desync than Candace arle personally

[rugged sparrow]

eh how so

on the former

doesn't it just proc whenever Arle NA

[opal surge]

I don't have a theory answer for this I can record it when I get home later

But it just doesn't work properly

I should try to find the clip of zajef batting Candace arle while playing it and not vaping a single hit

[rugged sparrow]

counterargument it was zajef

[opal surge]

That's fair

[quaint fern]

I am so not getting this 😅

my aubade is really bad so hear me out, sms bina, aubade ZL, 2p2p illuga YEP

[violet cipher]

any tips for team comps?

[quaint fern]

oh ouch

I dont suppose you've tried venti main dps and swap citlali for bennett have you?

[violet cipher]

oh, not yet

[quaint fern]

also I guess you could try skirk with bina lol

[violet cipher]

this is venti main dps, could try ben though

[grand idol]

yo yall if ur good at exploration dm me trust🥹

[lyric cargo]

do you have questions about exploration? (I think it's better to answer them here where others can chime in)

[lyric cargo]

I'd have said it takes some amount of vertical (my Zibai is c1r1)

but maybe that's just to make up for my skill issue

because I did see a c0 clear, I just don't know if I ever could get the same

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DzkxLEaEvn0

[violet cipher]

finally did it, ty sorta

[grand idol]

nope i need help in co-op tho so dw but i need someone to dm me since i can give genisis for it ig💔

since i need skirk and i only have like 20 pulls

and i aint even guranteed

[strange scarab]

were you unable to fight mobs or something

co-oping for exploration doesnt really help you explore faster since only the host can interact with puzzles and chests

better off using interactive map

[lyric cargo]

the main stat is rare, but you don't really need substats with it for Sucrose

most anemo chars would ideally want er for their burst or crit to trigger fav

but for Sucrose it's very optional to have er afaik

and crit isn't needed, she doesn't use fav usually

all artifact farming takes months, tbh
in this case, getting the rare main stat is the hurdle
in other cases, it's a more common main stat + 3 good substats and having it roll well

[neon wave]

You don't need 800, it's completely unrealistic to get that much on TTDS
If you already have one EM main then you're just missing one

You can off-piece the remaining one

You can just passively strongbox VV anyw

[lyric cargo]

I'm not sure about the chance to get 4 starting stats rather than 3.

strongbox has a 34% chance to give 4 starting stats
artifact domains have 20%.
I'm not sure about Stygian

but the main upside to stygian is you get an extra artifact for every 120 resin you spend

[neon wave]

Well stop farming the domain, it's bad
Farm something else and strongbox VV

Artifacts are just grindy there's not much else to do

Sometimes you get lucky sometimes everything sucks

It's just how it is

You can convert them using dream solvent if you have it, and some billets can be obtained through exploration (they're one-time sources though)

[lyric cargo]

oh, you farmed VV via stygian?
that's sad, I really wouldn't recommend farming a domain where you don't need both sets

there are a bunch of billets you can get from other sources, like offering systems
which weapon are you trying to craft?

hmm, he does frequently use VV as an off-fielder

there's also the hexerei set now, if he's on-field or the team doesn't benefit from the res shred (this should be rare)

like in Varka teams, you'd usually put Venti on VV

do you have dream solvent?

https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Dream_Solvent

yeah

basically if you don't have it, you need specifically Borderland Polearm Billet

if you have 2 Dream Solvent, any polearm billet will do
and there are lots more sources

you can get 1 Borderland Polearm Billet from the Natlan offering system (offering level 23)
https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Tona's_Flame's_Restitution

you can also get 1 Borderland Billet Trove (lets you pick a billet) from Natlan reputation
https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Borderland_Billet_Trove

it's a rare resource that you'll basically never need
the result is it's hard to get enough at the start if you are going for a crafted weapon, but older players are sitting on like 40 - 60 Dream Solvent n_n

it's a good idea to farm 3 weekly bosses every week, regardless
gives you a good amount of character ascension crystals

[neon wave]

Crazy to say in an official server

[opal surge]

Private Server, it's TOS

[lyric cargo]

rip

[strange scarab]

Damn i didnt see it

[heady ridge]

is c1 better than r1 for columbina?

[hallow willow]

guys are the characters on banner any good?

skirck and escoffier

i dont feel like i need any of them

[terse perch]

Following up on this (in regards to making a team for Varka), how do you properly deal with enemies that have hydro or pyro shields? The full anemo + pyro team kind of gets nullified by them, and I have to rely on slow normal attacks

[rugged sparrow]

just dont use Varka in said content or use different element Varka team

[terse perch]

I suppose I just mean more in the open world. Like yesterday I was progressing through The Chasm and suddenly there's 3 abyss order mages with hydro shields, had to spend 5 minutes just whittling with normal attacks lol. Basically just hope I don't get unlucky in that case?

[rugged sparrow]

if properly built you shouldnt struggle as much in overworld content unless enemies are straight up immune to said elements

but pretty much just have a diff overworld team that covers most needs if you can

[terse perch]

Makes sense. Whatever the enemy had, the anemo and pyro reactions just did nothing to their shields. Probably just a bad matchup

Would a mono-geo team technically be the best for open world? Just to be able to deal with any elemental type that comes up?

[tiny heron]

who can i build as a 2nd DPS [Flins team is complete]

also i can't really pull for anyone rn so :/

Durin overload dps maybe?

[earnest gale]

durin+mona+bennet? if mona is c1/c2, may be vape more

I heard many ppl use razor+durin overload too

[ionic oar]

Help, I can't open genshin app even after reinstalling, it's still the same, how do I fix this man

[tiny heron]

razor is only c1 so electro overload razor isn't an option rn

but maybe durin benett xiangling and xinqiu?

benett and xiangling are c6 and xinqiu c2 so it should work

[earnest gale]

c1 mona buff vape reaction too, especially with hex buff

[tiny heron]

oh yeahhh

guess i can build a 2nd team after all

[fallow path]

What BP weapon is good? I'm having a hard time choosing rn (Except claymore)

[tiny heron]

deathmatch, ballad of fjords, wolf fang

i found my r2 ballad to be a BIT better on ineffa than r5 shovel so far
r5 ballad certainly is better

[fallow path]

Is r1 ballad good?

Or should I get wolf fang instead?

[tiny heron]

r1 ballad iirc is +-1% of r5 shovel

depends on the characters and your team tbh

i went for ballad cause ineffa needed a more crit stat focused alternative to shovel

and i main flins

[fallow path]

Alright I'll take ballad then thanks

[tiny heron]

cool
WWAIT

whodo you main

actually nvm

[fallow path]

I'm trying to build a flins team rn

[tiny heron]

ineffa works pretty good with balla regardless of who your main dps is

oh
okay then
do you have flins sig

[fallow path]

no

I'll craft his weapon ig

[tiny heron]

if not, he needs the cr more than ineffa
keep shovel on her ballad on flins

[fallow path]

Ok

[neat dew]

Lf assist in varka boss mats

[lyric cargo]

neither are very good
what's the team you're considering to upgrade, including cons and weapons you already have?

[lyric cargo]

I think geo and dendro hypostasis might be the only geo immune enemies.
so geo has pretty good coverage
some have high res, but it's usually bosses. you can change teams there

[lyric cargo]

this seems promising:
Durin, Chevreuse, Fischl

last slot could be Bennett, but most good pyro or electro chars would fit there as well if you need Bennett elsewhere

[lyric cargo]

it depends on what teams you are building / using / planning to get
sac jade is ok if you have Neuvilette without sig, or Columbina

[lyric cargo]

make sure to include your server region (EU / US / Asia / Taiwan)

[tiny heron]

Overload main dps durin?
Hmm
I did think vaporize might work better with the presence of C6 xiangling and all but overload might also be good
Definitely need to build everyone anyways

[terse perch]

Sounds good, I'll try and work something out there. Thank you!

[lyric cargo]

if you can get Zibai, I'd recommend it
the other geo chars are a bit older so their teams aren't as strong

[lyric cargo]

it's usually played with an on-fielder like Varesa or Arlecchino
but they're not chars you'll regret building in the long term I'd say,
and Fischl can snapshot Bennett's buff, which together with Durin's res shred gives her good damage

[terse perch]

I haven't played since The Chasm, so my units are a bit all over the place. Was hoping to use Itto as I never finished levelling him

[lyric cargo]

oh, you already have him. that's different from pulling him then, that would've been my main concern

Navia is a bit newer, might be better. I'm not 100% sure who benefits more from lunar

you don't seem to have Columbina though

I see a lot of unleveled chars you pulled, like Neuvilette

[bright cape]

@lyric cargo what is good columbina on-field team?

[lyric cargo]

on-field implies Lauma, as her special charge attack is locked behind Verdant Dew

[bright cape]

yah. the other two?

[lyric cargo]

lemme find some screenshots I made from a video about Bina teams

[bright cape]

last time i tried on-field i was giving her around 60% cr. so i feel like i could do a lot better

i was just shy of 100k dps

[lyric cargo]

check dms

[terse perch]

Yeah I don't save ever, so I just pull on whatever banner is up. On that note, I don't do any of the endgame content like Abyss either.

So mostly just want to build different element teams to help with overworld content

[viral mulch]

genshin impacto

[tiny heron]

sadly i dont have arle though i wish i did lol

but yeah i'll give that build a try
i'll come back after a few months on this lol

[lyric cargo]

oh, that's kind of a shame not to build those chars though

[lyric cargo]

mmh, I wouldn't pull for her today

[terse perch]

I plan to eventually, it just takes way too long to even build one character, so I give up and come back after a month to get the returner bonuses

My goal is to have one team of each element

[lyric cargo]

should take 3-4 days of only spending resin on overworld bosses
assuming you don't use fragiles for that, which ideally should go to stygian

(that's 3-4 days with 5 minutes of boss fighting a day, not 3-4 full days. you're gated by resin)

but if you don't play much, you'll also be gated by mora / etc

[zenith thicket]

Hey guys can someone help please 💔💔

[terse perch]

I don't think I've done Stygian before, or atleast not that I remember. Unless I'm misunderstanding what it is, but I'll check it out

[lyric cargo]

it's a recurring event, once per game version, with 6 difficulty levels.

difficulty 1 / 2 are basically useless
difficulty 3 lets you farm artifacts, it's like a domain but for every 120 resin your spend you get an extra one

difficulty 4 and 5 each give 1 artifact reroll material, once per game version

those are endgame content

4 is maybe about as hard as spiral abyss
5 is much harder
and 6 is even harder, basically whale territory
but thankfully 6 doesn't give permanent rewards, so no need to worry about that one

[terse perch]

Ah okay. Yeah the moment I see something requires level 90 I just give up and don't touch it lol

I probably stopped at difficulty 2

Can I do difficulty 3 without a fully completed and nicely built team?

[terse perch]

For me the issue is the world bosses. I can't seem to lower my world level below 7, but I'm still getting whooped by them

[lyric cargo]

yeah, you can get co-op help to carry you as well. works up to difficulty 4

I'd recommend getting someone to get you that reroll mat, perhaps

[lyric cargo]

but the artifact farming phase has already ended for this game version
it's the first 10 days after stygian starts
lemme see when the next one should start

assuming next stygian starts 42 days after the last one started, again:
March 4, 2026 + 42 days
= April 15

so transient resin from April 6 onwards can go towards stygian
5 days of waiting before claiming theater rewards

[terse perch]

Gotcha. I also don't really try to min max artifacts. As long as I get a set that has an okay main stat, I stop there

But I'll try clearing it for the rewards next time

[lyric cargo]

the primogems and reroll mats are still available btw, it's just the artifact farming that's ended

(plus 1 reroll mat that's tied to spending 1200 resin on artifacts, that's lost now if you didn't)

[terse perch]

What's the difficulty for level 3?

[next musk]

its both easy and doable in automatch coop

[earnest gale]

similar to open world bosses

usually use for artifect farming within the period

[next musk]

chat, I just got fork and azurelight in 50 pulls

do I roll for cons with saved pulls or hold

I could roll a 50/50 and back off, got 20 pity and 80 wishies

[viral mulch]

confrontation

[lyric cargo]

it's like an artifact domain I'd say. maybe I'm not the best judge, my chars were already very invested when Stygian first came out

I kill a difficulty 3 boss in like 7 - 10 seconds

I think they give you 10 minutes to do it

[opal surge]

its the exact same as the overworld boss

me thinks

im farming knuckle duckle rn for flins mats and it feels to me like its the literal same

dies in the same time too

WL9 overworld boss I should add

[lyric cargo]

was going to say, it's probably difficult for lower ar players because of that

but can just get co-op help, together with difficulty 4 (menacing)

[simple lava]

Can I join someone to fight escoffier boss?

[red condor]

just progress through the game faster ig, my world leveled up or something and i can barely kill the mobs now

[terse perch]

Oh right if there's coop that makes it easier then

[terse perch]

I get absolutely destroyed by some open world bosses, so that doesn't instill much confidence in me lol

I wish they let us make our world level even lower

[earnest gale]

you can lower down by 1. if you find still harder, you need to level up your char then. cuz with enough level, you should be ok in open world..

[next musk]

society if citlali shred cryo...

feels wrong to use her even if she should be bis I think

[mellow vortex]

nilou,lauma and nahida dont need their talents levelled right

[lyric cargo]

Lauma does

Nahida burst gains duration at least I think? I wouldn't crown it but still level it a bit maybe?

early talent levels are pretty cheap

[lyric cargo]

for Lauma I'd recommend 1 10 10

[mellow vortex]

ohhhh oki then i can leave nilous at 1

[lyric cargo]

skill levels give res shred, burst levels give quill buffs
lunar bloom is heavily carried by her quill damage

[lyric cargo]

I think I remember it being that way yeah
it's her hp scaling passive that is good

74445 hp to cap it I think

[mellow vortex]

ohhhh that makes sense

[mellow vortex]

gosh okay thank you

[zinc gull]

what weapon do i put on Charlotte n Citlali with Skirk n Xingqiu? im using Charlotte bc i dont have Escoffier yet

[vernal bane]

Charlotte is gonna be using TToDS if ur purely focused on using her to buff skirks damage. If you’re using her for healing, prototype amber or fav if ur struggling for energy.

[zinc gull]

gotcha ty!! should i keep Citlali on sarc frag?

[young glen]

Who do i use on floor 12

[vernal bane]

If you don’t put charlotte on TToDS, put Citlali on it. Wandering even star is also good for Citlali. If u don’t have evenstar and u have TToDS on charlotte then fav and Sac frags tie for 3rd best (behind sig, and TToDS/Evenstar tied for 2nd)

[vernal bane]

Everything I said assumed atk scaling dps btw which Skirk is, but if u use Citlali or charlotte in teams that don’t scale on ATK TToDS is useless and default to fav most of the time

[vernal bane]

Ur characters aren’t high enough level for floor 12 but I can try to build u teams assuming u level some of them

[vernal bane]

yeah nvm no I’m afraid u just don’t have the teams to clear 12 rn unless you had like. The most cracked 4 star builds imaginable.

[vernal bane]

U don’t even have Bennett that’s rough. I’m wracking my brain

[vernal bane]

Beidou sucrose iansan thoma first half and furina xingqiu rosaria Layla second half is the best i can come up with

[young glen]

😭💔

[vernal bane]

U will not 36* but you may be able to like 30* if you try realllyyyyy hard and build them super well

[vernal bane]

Furina being ur first limited 5* pull was a good call because she’s amazing, but she needs a dps to support. Gaming can be a good dps but he’s not meta competitive until c6. Beidou is viable but mid at best.

[vernal bane]

I would recommend pulling for Skirk and then Escoffier if u can. Even if u don’t get Escoffier, Skirk/furina/rosaria/xingqiu is a semi-meta team that u should be able to clear lots of content with

[young glen]

I spent my fortune on varkas weapon

[vernal bane]

girl why… you don’t even have varka…

[young glen]

Bro

Wait 😭😭😭😭

Mb i forgot this one

[young glen]

Mb for the confusion 😭

[vernal bane]

OH MY GOD LOLOLOLOL

[young glen]

I thought i sent them all together 💔

[vernal bane]

LET ME LOOK THAT OVER AGAIN

[young glen]

Tyy

[vernal bane]

Varka/sucrose/xiangling/bennett first half. Yoimiya/kazuha/kaeya/diona 2nd half.

[young glen]

i would love to use yoimiya but she is NOT built

[vernal bane]

U need to make Dion’s heal very well though and if u can build rosaria she’d be better than kaeya 2nd team. You also need to play some unconventional rotations to beat some of these bosses mechanics

oh. Hm. How good is ur mualani. Can she do good dmg with a 3 unit team?

[vernal bane]

Can I see ur mualani build?

[young glen]

she hits 400k per hit with her buufs and stuff

[vernal bane]

Ok that’s good I think. She won’t be vaping as much as usual but the way 2nd half is set up means:

1. you NEED good cryo app
2. You NEED healing
3. It’s recommended to have a hydro unit
   It’s frozen skirk shill but if u,play it right other teams can work

[vernal bane]

Mualani self heals, right? I don’t have her. She needs to be able to heal herself back to full hp

[vernal bane]

?

[young glen]

swirl and zhongli shield

[young glen]

not that i know of?

[vernal bane]

oh well shit

[young glen]

maybe on ult if it its its really a tiny amount then

[vernal bane]

I thought after her burst comes back to her it heals

[vernal bane]

Ugh okay
Team 1. Varka/sucrose/dehya/bennett
team 2. Mualani/xiangling/kaeya/diona

[young glen]

i dont have diona nor kreaya built tho

[vernal bane]

They don’t need to do damage Dion’s just needs to heal and kaeya needs to apply cryo. Stack hp and er on Dion’s, er on kaeya

[young glen]

alrr

also wouldnt xiangling be beter than dehya?

[vernal bane]

U need XL 2nd half or u will never vaporize ever

[vernal bane]

and gameplay notes

12-1 second half, after u kill the Fatui agent radiant cocoon boss comes up. MAKE SURE u have Dion’s burst ready. It will hit u with a debuff and u won’t be able to do damage until you heal up to 100%.

12-2 second half, if u dont freeze grandma when it prompts u she will hit u with attacks that straight up kill u. U have to freeze her.

12-3 second half, do not touch mualani or xiangling until the cryo meter is low— then u can switch to mualani with kaeya and diona apply cryo offfield, but don’t start using xiangling until the laser phase is over

U should be able to clear all first half’s with normal varka rotation

U should really build rosaria for future stuff she’s good. And get furina to 90

[young glen]

alrr

[young glen]

tyy

il try this out later

[lyric cargo]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WwYTJozCdyE

[viral mulch]

radiant fly me to the moon

[viral mulch]

what if i just dont die on grandma

[vernal bane]

then no hydro needed just very good dodging

[viral mulch]

what if i uhh uhh uhh

what if i uhh

[desert monolith]

think she needs cr circlet?

[lyric cargo]

it's 46.5 : 185.2 crit ratio

versus what if you equip a cr circlet?
like 73.7 : 123.0

0.465 * 1.852 = 0.86118
0.737 * 1.230 = 0.90651

it's a higher crit multiplier even without cd substat on the CR circlet

so better for damage even before considering fav

[desert monolith]

i understood like nothing of what u just said

is that a yes or no

[lyric cargo]

46.5 : 185.2 is what you have

73.7 : 123.0 is what I got when I substracted your circlet's stats and added the 31.1 cr a CR circlet would give

crit multiplier is just 1 + cr * cd, it's the average bonus damage from crits

you can ignore the 1 +, as we're just comparing to see which is bigger

bigger crit multiplier is better

[desert monolith]

right so yes or not is too hard, im asuming this means cr circlet is not better

[lyric cargo]

you do have to make a bit of effort to understand

if not then I won't either

[desert monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-gif-17563483835665589874

[visual dove]

Do I summon on varka or do I summon on escoffier I have C6 Bennet, Durin, C6 Furuzan for varka. Skirk, Furina, Yelan for Escoffier

[vernal bane]

Escoffier. You are missing 1 member of varkas premium team but you have skirks premium team. Even if you had varias premium team, skirks premium team gives better dps

[vernal bane]

I’ll try to explain it to you if you still want to

[desert monolith]

i only wanted a yes or no and thats it

[vernal bane]

Well just telling you the answer won’t help you learn. If you understand why then you may be able to answer your own questions in the future. But for the simple answer, yes, CR circlet is better for ur current build

[desert monolith]

all i needed ty 👏

[visual dove]

Thank you!

[hard garnet]

if i have c0r1 skirk and c0r0 escoffier, should i go for escoffier’s constellation, her weapon, or skirk’s cons?

also is skirk/escof/furina/citlali good or is like yelan/shenhe better

[vernal bane]

Skirk/escof/furina/shenhe is absolute best team im p sure.

Yelan over shenhe if u need more hydro.

[hard garnet]

if i care more abt the most overall dps is yelan still better than citlali

[vernal bane]

I think so yes because of elemental damage bonus.

[vernal bane]

Also as for this, skirk c1 is good but Escoffier c1 provides more value to the team, and Escoffier weapon does more than both of the c1s combined

[hard garnet]

so escoffier’s wpn is just overall better

[vernal bane]

Yes

[hard garnet]

kk thank you

[lyric cargo]

this ^
I'd much rather explain how once than do the calculation for them every time they need to decide between circlets

[bright cape]

@lyric cargo @quaint fern do I go with atk goblet?

i won 50/50. citlali is almost confirmed now

[vernal bane]

You’re using furina, right. Yelan too?

[bright cape]

furina mona

no yelan unfortunately

[vernal bane]

ATK gives more healing which could be needed since ur using furina and no other healers. Cryo is slightly better for damage I think but if u have an atk% one with better substats I would use it

More dmg% from buffs and kit = dmg% goblet is less good. Furina gives lots of dmg%

[fringe bear]

No, the strongest team is Skirk/esco/furina/citlali
citlali is better than shenhe and elan, u pick elan if you need bow user or extra hydro app

[bright cape]

this is what i have rn

[vernal bane]

What source r u using for that? In my experience shenhe is better

[fringe bear]

stygian dire, dps dummy, calcs

[vernal bane]

That’s really good. 40% vc and an er roll. I would use it

[vernal bane]

Do you have a vid? Also u think that’s just scroll? Bcuz I thought citlalis main benefits were shield and cryo app+night soul for Natlan teams

[vernal bane]

What’s the source for ur pfp btw?

[fringe bear]

yes but there are plenty of clears on yt, scroll is powerful u usually take even if you don't use citlali

[fringe bear]

u can check with gcsim, with dps dummy, or just try with stygian, extra hydro is the most common option for skirk, because it helps with er, but I use furina with fav so it does not really matter

[lyric cargo]

I'm not a Skirk player myself, but I'd trust Sensi on this:
#📌gimshim-help message

triple cryo will have upsides against that specific boss ofc. though I took that as a general statement, not just for current Stygian

[lyric cargo]

hmm, I never considered the amount healed so my gut would've said cryo% goblet

but better to look at what others say here

[fringe bear]

yeah, the same idea

[neat dew]

Lf help varka boss mats (american server/wrld lvl 8) 615631483

[fringe bear]

get nobless, atk or cryo does not really matter than much, take one with better er and crit

[bright cape]

mona or rosaria will be on noblesse

people keep recommending me scrolls. but i don't have good sands and goblet for that

[fringe bear]

scroll then)

I see

[bright cape]

i heard escoffier does pretty good damage

[fringe bear]

not really, she does not deal a lot of dmg, she gives res shred to skirk

[hazy lotus]

isn’t ur cryo goblet up there scrolls

[bright cape]

but i found out atk goes very low with cryo goblet

[vernal bane]

She does as a sub-dps. I would put scroll/noblesse on Mona and rosaria, interchangeable but preferably noblesse on whoever’s bursting more

[bright cape]

i have setup my team such that everybody bursts once a rotation

mona bursts at last and gives ttds buff to skirk too

[vernal bane]

Mona noblesse then for max uptime

[hazy lotus]

don’t think it really matters that much

[vernal bane]

Cryo goblet is better for escoffier personal dmg but not by a big margin. ATK gives her better healing which may be needed since furina ho drain

[hazy lotus]

i think cryo is better at a baseline anyways

it’s just that atk gets close bc of dmg% over saturation

[fringe bear]

they are literally almost the same

[vernal bane]

@bright cape if u wanna be sure just check the performance with atk vs cryo in mw dummy testing or smth

[fringe bear]

cryo goblet is a little bit better for personal damage, but the most important stat for esco in that team is er, you have to burst every rotation, so it make sence to get a build with enough er

[vernal bane]

yeah but they said they’re already bursting once on everyone every rotation so I assumed that was taken care of

[fringe bear]

in that case it does not really matter, she deals like 15% of team dps, stats on skirk will impact dps a lot, stats on esco are less important

[vernal bane]

I mean yeah but they were talking about just esco

[fringe bear]

cryo will be better because of Vortex, but atk is fine)

[young glen]

@vernal bane also why run deheya on a varka team and not thoma and stuff

[vernal bane]

she was leveled a bit and thoma was still lvl 20

[young glen]

true i need to take dmg for tidal shadow anyways

is clearing the lunar chicken domain in 1 minute good with varka

[bright cape]

this might be my highest dps team for now

[paper cargo]

Any tips on how to do menacing stygian on the mandragora (first team) without having varka or venti? Currently trying to go Kazuha/Arle/Durin/Bennett but doesn't seem to be working, boss always ends up with 10-15% hp

[vernal bane]

1 sec let me see what team I used. I think I cleared it

Off the top of my head, durin in that team feels odd

[paper cargo]

I could do the standard arle overload team but I feel like the "shield" goes down too slowly

[vernal bane]

oh lol I just looked and I brute forced it and ignored the mechanic so idk if I can help with that

[young glen]

@vernal bane what should i build dehya on btw

[vernal bane]

well I had fischl but eh

[hazy lotus]

this should be just fine for menacing are you not getting all of the shrooms with kazuha

kazuha usually misses one or two to the side unless you really try to get all of them

[vernal bane]

Tenacity is my first thought but I’ll double check

[young glen]

wb vglow

[vernal bane]

I use sac for that boss so I can do a 2nd swirl to group the last one I miss

[young glen]

or is that dps dehya

[vernal bane]

Vglow for dps, yes

[paper cargo]

Honestly I might try doing that, my neuvi is pretty decent to be fair, 2nd and 3rd bosses were a breeze but holy that first one is horrible

[hazy lotus]

also are you bennett bursting before the mini shrooms spawn bennett ult kind of makes them fly everywhere

same with kazuha ult

[vernal bane]

Do note my Neu I is top 5% and has sig so idk if avg neuvilette can do it. Definitely try tho

[paper cargo]

The issue is with arle pushing them away when attacking, I do arle E, bennett Q into Kazuha Q E and then attack with arle

[vernal bane]

I double checked, tenacity is definitely best for support dehya unless ur playing her burgeon in which case instructor also good

[young glen]

alr ty

[paper cargo]

I'm not sure what my neuvi is at but I believe he's decent and also has sig, I'll try that and if not I'll have to work on making my arle actually do things

[vernal bane]

we can compare builds if u want

[hazy lotus]

do u have xilonen

[vernal bane]

forgot to mention my furina is also c2 so I might have better fanfare uptime than u

[hazy lotus]

c2 is pretty significant 😭 😭

tbh if you’re aiming for just menacing and only care for the rewards rather than the satisfaction or whatever of clearing it you might find it easier just asking for help in co op

[vernal bane]

Yah that’s mb 💔 but I had 30 secs to spare and I don’t play optimally they can probably do it

[paper cargo]

I do not have xilonen unfortunately, no

[paper cargo]

My build is kind of decent but I haven't over-invested in him to be honest, my skirk is my invested team and clears 3rd boss in like 25-30 sec

[paper cargo]

It's mostly for the satisfaction of actually clearing it that I wanted to do it haha It's the fact every other boss is easy but this one makes it hell

[hazy lotus]

arles attacks don’t have very high stagger afaik so once you’ve got them grouped they should stay relatively close

are u lacking damage or is it just the shrooms spreading out

i think sucrose maybe groups them better

[paper cargo]

My arle also lacks damage but the main issue is shrooms spreading out

[hazy lotus]

send video of ur run?

might help see if there’s anything u could improve on

u could also try neuv like u said cause it being menacing and not fearless gives a lot of leeway for you to try other teams

[bright cape]

i am surprised it went from 80 to 130k

@quaint fern

[tiny gale]

would the 4th slot on the skirk team be mona since I don't have furina? or should I focus on another character?

[paper cargo]

Okay so yeah I tried a few runs with neuvi and that took a while but it finally worked, this was unnecessarily hard to be honest

[paper cargo]

I'm sure there's a lot I could actually improve on, my arle is not my forte haha

This boss taking half of my time is crazy

[quaint fern]

What the instantaneous DPS?

[hazy lotus]

yeah it’s 99% a cc check lol

[quaint fern]

Probably just fanfare ramp + 1st rotation having no Skirk dmg until you swap in

[hazy lotus]

my arle was never c0 so c0 feels insanely restrictive to me

[paper cargo]

I have no idea what her cons do honestly, she wasn't a planned pull haha

[bright cape]

yah. it's the max. but still way better than charlotte one

[hazy lotus]

c1 is interruption resist and c2 instant upgrades her e mark to the big one that gives more bol so it def feels a lot better in terms of gameplay flexibility

[paper cargo]

Ahhh yeah that c2 sounds like a HUGE QOL

[bright cape]

is candace c6 good?

[vernal bane]

good for what?

[fringe bear]

Bad for mualani, ok xq replacement for like arle (for aoe content)

Overall no need to pull for her cons

[bright cape]

i heard she is good at applying hydro for arle

i don't have yelan so

[hazy lotus]

Vape arle has fallen off anyways just get citlali instead if you want a good arle team

or yknow just play xingqiu

who probably is better than candace in practice 99% of the time anyways

[weak wolf]

how much hp should bina have

[elder bluff]

35k

[weak wolf]

does she cap at 35k or something

[bright cape]

i heard candance's cooldown matches with arle

xignqiu's cooldown is too long

[neon wave]

It's where her moonsign passive caps out but her damage scales on HP regardless, so going over it is still good (you should be reaching 35k fairly easily with most builds anyw)

[weak wolf]

ok ty should i worry about her crit

[neon wave]

Yes, she deals nice damage so she builds crit
There's a build guide in pins btw

[versed marsh]

wha da hell is bennett doing in a mlbb video

[elder bluff]

she needs a bouken da bouken

[versed marsh]

apparently her weapon's name is bennett...

OMG

[weak wolf]

ty

my artifact luck is the worst in the world hto

feel like i havent gotten usable artifacts in ages

[violet cipher]

where is the mimiflora

[cedar birch]

Did game update alr or is it later?

[haughty lotus]

The banners changed but the game didn’t update, that’ll be after the current banners end

[feral reef]

i want to say thank you to @haughty lotus for being so helpful in dms

man keeping me humble

[haughty lotus]

This guy pulled varka and is trying to unbrick his account ^

[feral reef]

i wanna do more than 8k dps cro

alice and nicole please save me

[haughty lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/with-this-treasure-i-summon-gif-13157585410586563450

[feral reef]

memesicleraga pls save me

[violet cipher]

I had an idea to use Chasca for the Mandragora with Venti as the grouper since I have her r1. would he replace Bennet, Citlali or Mavuika? Or should I use Arlechino with Homa?

[feral reef]

honestly venti dps probably better lol

[violet cipher]

I don’t have Durin so I feel like the best I can do is Venti/c6 bennet, c6 fischl/c6faruzan [or put c6 Mona in there]

[feral reef]

who do you have

[violet cipher]

also Xiangling but...no...Mavuika will be more reliable

[feral reef]

i ran mavuika bennet venti flex for the mushroom lol

[violet cipher]

what crit ratio for venti?

And Mavuika dps or Venti dps?

[feral reef]

he wasnt really doing dmg in that team

favgebot

[violet cipher]

did you do the combos because I don't like the Mavuika combos

[violet cipher]

It's not working well

[quaint fern]

holy my zibai might be washed

why am I only getting like 85k dps

[lyric cargo]

hmm, got the enka cards for the team?

[pearl marsh]

Should I build chevreuse or Escoff first?

[late geyser]

is this a bug? i defeated hilichurls in sumeru but le goff seems here(liyue) but i cannot reach there

location?

[crude dirge]

that boss needs freeze pretty sure

[sullen atlas]

No u just have to kill them before they use the ult

[heady ridge]

nefer c0r1, nahida c0r0, then another fill

[lyric cargo]

no Lauma?
your best investment is Lauma, and then either Lauma's c2 or just call it a day there

[glad sable]

hi there guys!

I need help with my Wrio build

Basically I just got Esco and wonder how my melt build will change to freeze

Team: Wriothesley, Furina, Esco, Shenhe

Since I'm running Furina with good healer and Shenhe, Wrio gets 75% (Furina) + 15% (Shenhe) + 12% (Skyward Atlas) (= 102%) elemental dmg bonus, should I switch to atk Goblet?
I also have Widsith R2, so I could use this instead on him for even more crits

[strange scarab]

Try testing it on miliastra

[glad sable]

I don't have Esco built yet 😅

[strange scarab]

Pretty sure there isnt much case where atk goblet takes priority over cryo for him

[rugged sparrow]

atk goblet Wrio is only like

solo c6 case

[bright cape]

looks like i do better with troupe escoffier than scrolls.

settled on this for now

[lyric cargo]

judging by leaderboard, or dps dummy?

[bright cape]

dps dummy

with this build, i average around 120k.

max sometimes going over 130k

my scrolls pieces are not upto par

i also have this one.

it's hard to check escoffier damage. as skirk overshadows

[quaint fern]

too much crit rate to run HoD too little to make me happy

i'm going to work on double crown tho

honestly might be a bina problem tho? she does a small chunk of dmg (I still need to try to grab 2-3 more rolls of er tho 😭)

[bright cape]

looks like u plan on getting her sig

[quaint fern]

eeeh idk

[bright cape]

isn't cdmg too low?

[lyric cargo]

hmm, might need to farm more or craft an on-set goblet before you can balance the crit ratio better?

[lyric cargo]

not really, crit rate is lacking more

1 : 2 ratio and all that

[bright cape]

i meant for bina

[bright cape]

i meant for bina too

[lyric cargo]

oh

[quaint fern]

I already have enough to burst on 1st rot with illuga and i'm using fav ins kuki

[quaint fern]

it's just me not having farmed long enough 😭

i really need to pick up ER substats

I should just try with her on fav maybe

[bright cape]

i have gone with fav for bina.

it's really comfortable in stygian

[lyric cargo]

Bina sig is better in Zibai teams than Flins / Nefer, but still not that great I think?
sac jade is also better there

[bright cape]

i also should farm aubade for ineffa. but i don't want to.

[quaint fern]

well I have varka and durin so it makes sense for me to farm

[bright cape]

oh nice

now i am all in saving for citlali

after that i will have another 100k dps team

[lyric cargo]

is your serenade farming done? any other domains with good value?

[viral mulch]

@rugged sparrow this combo hurts a lot of my bodys places

[bright cape]

no. nod-krai domain farming still left

for on-field bina

have to make use of extra neuvi sig

[quaint fern]

like why does my on field bina do more dps than my zibai 😭

[viral mulch]

because bina tastes better than bina

[lyric cargo]

oh, still no actual on-fielder?
Zibai on rerun then maybe?

[bright cape]

no. i have flins

[lyric cargo]

ah. splitting the nk team I guess

[bright cape]

but he feels weak

[bright cape]

yah. my plan if they decide to give us two halfs requiring nk.
i will aino, ineffa, sucrose, flins one half
bina, lauma, kuki, nahida 2nd side

i found bina on-fielder quite strong. even with my weird build

before that i am crowning escoffier burst

[quaint fern]

i've crafted so many def sands for zibai but they've all been kinda meh :/

[bright cape]

i guess reroll?

[quaint fern]

3 line tho ....

[bright cape]

oh ok.

i was having similar issue with my navia

then i crafted goblet

and it was awesome

[quaint fern]

it feels kinda bad to craft a def% gobby tho 😭

[lyric cargo]

I rerolled the goblet using my 4-roll guarantee reroll

[bright cape]

true that.

[lyric cargo]

sands is still meh, but can't really justify rerolling it

[quaint fern]

oh I literally used it on my zibai goblet too

[lyric cargo]

I don't have good off-piece def% sands either

[bright cape]

i am saving my that last reroll for now

[lyric cargo]

oh, the off-piece? that's rough

[quaint fern]

I really just needed an excuse to reroll something so I could actually use my feathers LOL

I still have 11 I havent used

[lyric cargo]

I think I used up all my luck for this month on this

althought currently there's no user

[quaint fern]

WTF

still not 50 cv tho 😭

[quaint fern]

bina ig....

[lyric cargo]

four max-rolls

[quaint fern]

that's crazy

I dont have a single piece like that

[lyric cargo]

560% roll value in CD
720% for a cr + cd + def% scaler

[quaint fern]

720 is pretty good if they can use it

[lyric cargo]

best usecase would be if cr is close to overcapping anyways

[quaint fern]

I get this far

it's hard to judge if it's doable

maybe if I get the drones down faster it'll let me get an additional rotation?

[lyric cargo]

in theory I could start looking at an aubade set for her
I also got this, when we were able to farm in stygian

[lyric cargo]

I think what made my run successful was leaving the last bot alive and starting my next rotation setup

[viral mulch]

wtf

[quaint fern]

I think I'm getting the timing pretty good

[viral mulch]

[lyric cargo]

my Zibai is c1r1 though
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/915180263003267094/1478720971727835317/Zibai_vs_fearless_Duck.mp4?ex=69a96db8&is=69a81c38&hm=98a260d4d1c5ad84ec122152dd4b341166f0b26aa40c2884507eadc51b5ab141&

[quaint fern]

it's just tht there's usually one or two guys that have a sliver of hp when I start

honestly might be a gorou diff

how big is the gap for gorou? I sort of gave up trying to run zhongli bc pillar rng

also maybe trying to get some pieces with less CR? or maybe just accepting a bit of HoD overcap?

[lyric cargo]

c1 Zibai also adds frontload, which is good in this situation I suppose
finishing it off before it re-shields

[quaint fern]

wth

your skills are doing nlike 50% more than mine

that's r1 I guess...

[lyric cargo]

especially the first should do a lot, because of c1

[quaint fern]

yeah 500k is nutty

I think I hit around 200k

also her gauge accumulation seems to be faster than outside SO, maybe a multitarget thing

I think HoD with kuki is usable, my HP is usually pretty stable

[lyric cargo]

I think I linked this before, but my best guide would be looking at the sole c0 Zibai clear I've seen

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DzkxLEaEvn0

well, sole c0 Zibai without Ineffa who would make it real easy

[quaint fern]

Yeah ive seen that

Idk why they use xilo, probably bc their bina damage contribution is higher?

[lyric cargo]

hmm, I wonder how relevant lunar-charged is for their damage

they're shredding electro res with Xilo as well?

[drowsy shuttle]

omg how am i supposed to do the abyss

[rugged sparrow]

Mav players stop discovering a new combo for 1 day: difficulty impossible

[viral mulch]

its been a thing for a while but i just never liked using it

its so inconsistent

[quaint fern]

idk if this will be doable or not https://streamable.com/0ytir0

maybe if I take one less rotation for the drones...

i'm gonna grind the mats for double crown and try

I still have 19 days

[bright cape]

i think if u had ineffa, u would have done it

may be replace kuki with fischl or something?

[drowsy shuttle]

so is escoffier viable in a melt team and will she be more dominant

[quaint fern]

sort of need her for the sustain tho...

I mean I can definitely give it a shot

also ignore when I definitely tapped skill a little bit too early at 1:15

[drowsy shuttle]

😭

[quaint fern]

it must've just been just a tiny bit too early bc I swear it should have triggered her skill and not done four physical attacks

[bright cape]

i think u can do it without sustain.

the failure in stygian is not very costly

[quaint fern]

yeah now that I look at it idt my zibai takes any damage

also very true

[bright cape]

it's one chamber only

[quaint fern]

I always kept kuki on my bina carry team in regular play but never in stygian

[bright cape]

also is illuga necessary there?

[quaint fern]

yes, very

[bright cape]

i was thinking how good would sucrose and fischl combo do

[quaint fern]

I'm not even sure how they did it without him LOL

well if you want to do zibai hyper then he's necessary

[quaint fern]

it would be incredibly funny if the solution this whole time was to NOT play zibai

it's definitely possible for me to take furina out of my skirk team

that clear only uses half of the time I need anyways

[drowsy shuttle]

FINA FLIPPLY LY

after using the most random team as well 😭

thanks it worked

[zinc gull]

should i put a support or sub-dps build on Escoffier for Skirk?

[lyric cargo]

was ging to say I'd look for videos of people doing it with teams you have built (at least approximately)

but seems it's done

[drowsy shuttle]

^ @lyric cargo luckily, i was able to do it just now lol

had to change my 2nd team to bina ineffa diona and chasca

[desert monolith]

for max skirk dmg either cinder or totm on escoffier but gt is also fine

[zinc gull]

yes but should i go for support build or sub-dps build? i cant use Scroll bc Citlali on it

[desert monolith]

are u using furina on totm?

whats the full team

[zinc gull]

do not have her
Skirk, Xingqiu, Citlali n Escoffier
i can send my full roster?

[glad sable]

oh thank you, I was afraid I'll have to rebuild him haha
Also sry for late reply

[desert monolith]

so xingqiu noblesse, citlali cinder, escoffier totm if you want skirk to do as much as possible
otherwise the usuall eosf, cinder, gt is fine

and weapons just sac xingqiu, ttds cit, fav esco

[glad sable]

isn't XQ usually recommended to use Fav also?

[zinc gull]

rn Xingqiu is on r5 fav, i only have r1 sac

[desert monolith]

i believe sac is better but yeah ig fav would be fine too

[desert monolith]

sure thats fine

[glad sable]

is it because it gives more hydro?

[desert monolith]

honestly not sure abt the reason, could be cause it gives more particles or some talent related to his skill i rlly dont know but most poeple use sac for xingqiu

[glad sable]

aah okok

[zinc gull]

i think its bc his cooldown is so long

[desert monolith]

could also be that but i mean with sac on xingqiu u rot like eqe most of the time so the cd is basically same anyway (￢‿￢ )

[glad sable]

True

[desert monolith]

either way xingqiu is just there for hydro app mostly and dmg if u build him for it but might aswell just noblesse him for more skirk dmg

[zinc gull]

but ill adjust my builds my gt and totm pieces are equally as bad😭 😭

[glad sable]

I can ask for build rating, right?

[desert monolith]

idk idk how advice on here operates but i would asume ppl accept build rating so sure

[desert monolith]

you can strongbox both so its not terrible or u can farm gt/mh and strongbox totm for max efficiency

[zinc gull]

also making sure, totm refers to tenacity, right?
and mh?

[desert monolith]

totm = tenacity of the milelith
mh = marechausse hunter

dont think i spelled either correctly but u get it

[zinc gull]

OOHHHH
tyty

[glad sable]

I rebuilt my Wrio for freeze comp, does it look right?
I also have Widsith R2, so I'm thinking if it would be better to use that instead

[desert monolith]

i think widsith is better yeh, cr i think is fine cause its freeze so asuming i keep cryo aura on enemy somewhat consistently the cr is fine, atk is gonna drop a bit with widsith so look to get more atk% subs cause ya got 1

[glad sable]

okok thank you
Also yeah, I was mainly looking for EM before, so his atk is a little wonky

And for artifacts, Furina is golden troupe as usual, Shenhe on Noblesse and Freeze girl is also on golden troupe, right?

*Esco

[desert monolith]

sure that works but again for max dmg on the main dps u want cinder esco, totm furina

and nob shenhe obv

[glad sable]

ok got it

[hallow willow]

how do i get here? i need to farm the boss escoffier ascension but theres seems no way to get there

[fringe bear]

option 1 go here, transform into dragon and swim
option 2 furina E

[fringe bear]

Mavuika/Varessa overload can clear it for example

[quaint fern]

Oh I would if I could hon

I would if I could...

[fringe bear]

well, as for Zibai team, I think xilo is better than Illuga here ( if u have her ofc)

but if you must use illuga, I think u should probably replace kuki with gorou

[delicate flare]

How much ER does Escoffier need in a Skirk team

[bright cape]

can you try with full skirk team?

i think ayaka should be able to handle SSAOD

[quaint fern]

worth a shot lol

let me go try XD

I dont see why not, I get like 200k dps

[crude snow]

Double cryo c0, I'm assuming, so 165

[quaint fern]

barely lol

I totally forgot NS enrages it and ran citlali at first lol

[bright cape]

u did it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/915180263003267094/1294733495343517826/928515871553495091.gif

i dunno why u were trying with zibai

[quaint fern]

I'm still going to keep trying zibai tho

[bright cape]

it's a flins shill boss

zibai was bruteforcing

[quaint fern]

I thought she'd be enough lol

it was kinda a pain to do with skirk as well

especially bc you dont get sustain while doing the first minirotation

[quaint fern]

I just figured she'd be able to do it lol

maybe this is a sign for me to pull r1 on rerun

[bright cape]

btw what combo do u do for skirk?

[quaint fern]

erm I actually messing around with combos while doing this LMAO

I was testing the n2 n5 thing

tbh I still dont have a good sense of when her skill ends with the n2d spam

also it's sort of different than what most ppl are playing bc I'm using split rotation

[bright cape]

i am still doing n5. i can do one n2 at the end if i am fast enough

i reach over 130k sometimes.

[quaint fern]

my normal combo has been n2c n5d n5d n2c n5d n2c I think?

I think I can normally sneak in n3c at the end instead

if I use burst with my rotation then it wont be up in time to do the hE Q, so it's not in my NA spam string

[bright cape]

where is q there?

after first n5d?

[quaint fern]

it's not there

i'm doing the elongated rotation

[bright cape]

oh ok

didn't know about this one

[quaint fern]

so I'm doing [esco + furina setup with shenhe tE] skirk hE Q shenhe Q n1 hE > esco E n2 > skirk combo

[bright cape]

do u use cryo goblet on esco?

i found it weird that my atk goblet does better damage

these are over 3 rotation

[quaint fern]

yeah I think it depends on build, should be pretty close tho

[bright cape]

a streamer i am watching for wuwa got his artifacts deleted

also some weapons

i dunno if i should enable two factor. sounds scary

[quaint fern]

ngl I think the character I know mechanically the best is still ganyu

some zaj video popped up on my yt and I needed some background sound so I put it on and I was like oh he should be releasing the CA way faster

[elder bluff]

hello beautifull people...

[patent snow]

Hello

Should I pull Skirk C1 or Es C1 or Skirk's weapon?

[ashen trench]

Would a friends c3 r1 durin be better than no con or sig columbina in imaginarium theater? I have r1 varka i can use with durin, i also have c1 r1 flins i could use with columbina. I’m not sure if it comes down to the character themselves or what teams i have to pair in theater

[spiral mantle]

favge or aquila on bennett?

[quaint fern]

Aquilla

[strange scarab]

he never use fav at all

[violet cipher]

Is Skirk's sig good on anyone else? I accidentally got a copy and I already have Skirk

[quaint fern]

high atk stat stick, you can probably use it on any atk scaling character

[violet cipher]

so ig just Clorinde or future dps? would it be worth it to refine Azurelight?

[violet cipher]

*would there be a significant dps increase

[quaint fern]

eh I dont think it's worth refining

if you dont have mist or absolution you could use it on ayaka/clorinde yeah

[next musk]

What are Nefer's vertical investment gains past just having Bina and Lauma?

I have a bunch of pulls and might invest in her if new carry doesn't release or get announced by her rerun

[hazy lotus]

lauma c2 and nefer cons would be your next steps most likely

or sig if you don't have that

[violet cipher]

for Nefer/lauma/columbina, does lauma care about crit stats or should I focus on em/er?

[hazy lotus]

pretty much just em/er

[violet cipher]

atp do I go cd circlet or keep the cr circlet on Skirk?

[next musk]

Equivalent cd would be better

You have one dead sub

[next musk]

I am asking what % gains are

[hazy lotus]

i don't have dat shit memorized look it up idk

[lyric cargo]

r1 Nefer: +16% team dps
r1 Lauma: +9% team dps
r1 Bina: +6% team dps

c1 Nefer: +15% team dps
c1 Lauma: (+0%, just healing)
c1 Bina: +3% team dps

c2 Nefer: +31% team dps
c2 Lauma: +33% team dps
c2 Bina: +24% team dps

[sage sail]

i got the boss down to like 30% idk what i'm doing wrong

i'm trying to just get as many swarm phases as possible but it isn't working

[earnest gale]

Do you have c6 faruzan?

[sage sail]

c5 unfortunately

[earnest gale]

Still useful then

[sage sail]

would switching lanyan from vv to cinder city help?

[earnest gale]

My team
C6 faruzan just gives 40%CD to team when dealing anemo damage
As long as your venti build is very strong , c5 may be still useful?
My venti is on VV set. Faruzan is on tenacity

[opal surge]

faruzan is not good pre c6

she also cant hold tenacity pre c6 and needs infinite er

on top of not giving good buffs

[earnest gale]

She still can buff venti? Not sure how lanyan buff anemo dps

[hallow willow]

i bridged with kaeya, took like 30 mins

(i dont have furina)

[fringe bear]

U could swim in just 1 min(

[hallow willow]

its impossible to swim that far

[fringe bear]

??? I literally told u how to swim, it takes a min with a hydrodragon

[hallow willow]

sorry i dont know what a hydro dragon

[opal surge]

The water saurian

[hallow willow]

havent reached that far into the game

[opal surge]

From natlan

[fringe bear]

Yes

[hallow willow]

whats that

[opal surge]

You can transform into a saurian and swim

They're all over natlan

[hallow willow]

i am still in sumeru

[opal surge]

Well U were in natlan physically

[hallow willow]

only for the escoffier boss and to collect skirk flowers

i didnt know those existed mb

[fringe bear]

i know, thats why I sent a screenshot of where exactly to go and explained what to do)

[true vale]

who would u guys say the no.1 dps is rn?

[fringe bear]

probably nefer with dash canceles, but it depends on the content

[hallow willow]

thanks, i'll do that for collecting skirk flowers that across that another island

[opal surge]

It's mavuika if Ur good enough

She has a much better DPS profile than nefer

[rugged sparrow]

on paper Mav
but

[opal surge]

Nefers profile sucks

[true vale]

would u say flins is a close second?

[opal surge]

Mavuika can bruteforce so many things nefer can't just because of profile diff

[rugged sparrow]

Flins is nowhere close to second

[true vale]

hes one of the most common anwers ive been getting from others

[fringe bear]

Yea mav in premium team is good, as well as skirk

[rugged sparrow]

who are these "others"

[true vale]

genshin impact server..?

[rugged sparrow]

what even is their basis

[true vale]

chill damn?

[rugged sparrow]

I am chill?

damn

[fringe bear]

true

[opal surge]

The only metric that can with some authority determine what DPS is the best is just how much of onslaught they can clear

[true vale]

so passive aggresive the sun is out lighten up!

[rugged sparrow]

?

[true vale]

who would u say is a close 2nd

[opal surge]

He's not passive aggressive at all lmao

[true vale]

he is maybe ur reading it in another tone

[opal surge]

Lmao

[rugged sparrow]

some ppl are just stupid ig wcyd

[true vale]

stupid and saying flins isnt close second

[opal surge]

When asking for clarification on vague statements is considered passive aggressive then discourse has lost all its value

[true vale]

[opal surge]

Flins not being close second is passive aggressive?

[rugged sparrow]

I mean you're free to believe Flins is a 2nd top DPS

[true vale]

are u stupid?

[opal surge]

[rugged sparrow]

https://giphy.com/gifs/dr-doe-drdoee-bait-or-low-iq-AjQXU66iXOoogTWWJH

[true vale]

u gotta be bro

[opal surge]

W ragebait

[rugged sparrow]

im pity 79 and still no sign of 5-star

if I go high pity and not even win Escoff I'm boutta explode

[opal surge]

On coffee?

Oh Ur not guaranteed

Wait @rugged sparrow how deep did you go for varka

[rugged sparrow]

u mean how deep did he go in m-

[rugged sparrow]

it's like

[opal surge]

[rugged sparrow]

70-ish something pity for him (guaranteed)
lost to Flins weap on like 50 pity
then just soft pity his weap

funny I have 2 polearms related to Lunar-Charge and no one to use them

[opal surge]

[fringe bear]

I wish we could share 5 star char or weapon for stygian, just like we can with IT)

because I don't have ineffa sig, can't clear 2 dire in a row

[opal surge]

Last dire shouldn't have required a sig, no?

For this one you can blame flins for being a fraud

And being the first to not clear his shill c0r0

[rugged sparrow]

I think it's just KD being ???

"guys we're not shilling Dire SO hard enough, people are doing 1 cost / 2 cost clears"
"ok lets crank the numbers up"

[fringe bear]

Yeah I had a chance with tripple em buff nefer, but my build for her was too weak, bad goblet no sands, other with atk and er substats but no em, only my flins could cleared it if i had the sig

[fringe bear]

yeah, im sad i only could summon for flins sig this patch, but boss requires ineffa's and her banner is over =/

[rugged sparrow]

Ineffa once again proving she's the better pull value

that cl*nker can't keep getting away with it

[fringe bear]

much better yea, she can also be used with zibai (if your 4 stars are not c6)

[rugged sparrow]

Zibai pullers without c6 Illuga finding out that bineffa wheelchair is her 2nd best team:

https://giphy.com/gifs/aaron-paul-jesse-pinkman-he-cant-keep-getting-away-with-this-3oEjHCWdU7F4hkcudy

[fringe bear]

true)

[opal surge]

Duckie just stepped it up to not get fraud checked by his archnemesis ineffa alone

I would also be angry if aino had built me only to shill her other creation

[glad sable]

Is lvl70 Esco fine?

[nova swift]

Not as fine as you

[glad sable]

oh gosh lolol

[fringe bear]

u want to lvl her talents, so u need lvl 80 ascended

[glad sable]

okk
I just started building her and only got to lvl67 and all my books ran out

[fringe bear]

ley line farming it is then, good luck)

[glad sable]

haha yeah, thank you

Im going in a right direction, right?

idk what crits she needs

[fringe bear]

as usual try to aim for 1:2 ratio (don't forget about 15 crit rate from cryo resonance)

[rugged sparrow]

crit for most DPS chars just follow the same rule of thumb like Verian said ye

[fringe bear]

usually it's best to get her nobless/ scrolls set if you use her in skirk team

[fringe bear]

talents should be 1/10/9

[glad sable]

I don't have Skirk, so this one is fine, right?

[fringe bear]

yea sure, GT is somewhat universal

[glad sable]

nice
oh also Shenhe is already on Noblesse, but I could use Scroll for her no problem

Also I heard that I could use her in a Tartaglia team, is that true?

[fringe bear]

Yes you can, almost any hydro or cryo char would be happy to use her (although childe usually prefers xiangling national)
if you have citlali you can use scrolls on her, if not you can put it on esco, golden troupe is also fine

[fringe bear]

just make sure whatever team u are using only have cryo and hydro

[next musk]

Thanks that's awesome. Are those c2s percentage relative to c0 or to c1?

[full sonnet]

Is there furniture that can heal you like an archon statue in the pot

[lyric cargo]

relative to c0 I believe

since it's said c0 → c2 Lauma is better than c0 → c2 Nefer

[next musk]

aw

I don't think Im going any of this then, waiting ge

maybe she is on good weapon banner and I'd grab a sig

[lyric cargo]

ye, it's questionable for my account as well.

feels like that c2 Citlali investment I meant to maybe give my Mavuika team if it's a good banner

but now I'm kinda onto the next thing already

[bright cape]

is ur mavuika c1 or c2?

[lyric cargo]

I'm actually not sure how much Nefer I'll be playing

this Stygian at least kinda completely kicked her out. boss 1 had high dendro res and boss 3 required freeze.

I tried boss 2 with both Zibai and Nefer, and Zibai just did better

granted, Zibai is c1r1 and Nefer c0r1

[lyric cargo]

c2r1

[bright cape]

i think u could have bruteforced 2nd with nefer

[lyric cargo]

I've seen people do it with c0r0 yeah

[bright cape]

i might regret not getting zibai

next stygian is gonna be lunar crystallize shill

[lyric cargo]

if Stygian didn't exist, I might've waited until first rerun to get any Nod-Krai dps

by that time we'd be able to compare them fully

definitely don't regret skipping the early dpses in Natlan

[pulsar nexus]

I cant find the last lunoculus SOB
I dont know if it's because i haven't claimed the one from Columbina's statue, but Paha Isle and Ashveil peak are the only ones not at 100% explored, being at 96% and 94% explored.
even when zooming in on the dense spots and clicking to see what's there (like chest, chest clue, flagged clue) there isnt any oculus found :(
Edit, my statue is at lvl7 with 34/35 oculus offered if that gives any insight

[quaint fern]

It's the one at her statue

[pulsar nexus]

Sigh, I guess I just have to wait for the full map to release

[next musk]

yeah I would have traded my Nefer and Lauma for Zibai and C6 Illuga

she folds like paper tissue and Zibai is just better mostly too

dps is nice though so I wont complain too much

I do feel like my appreciation of Skirk will outlast Nefer now that their dps is equal for me and Skirk's QoL

[opal surge]

Aren't you just playing nefer poorly if their DPS is equal

[next musk]

145k dps should be the norm I think without cons and sig?

can definitely get 150k+ but idk about more

[opal surge]

I've seen c0r1 no support vertical hit 225k+

[next musk]

susga

but good for them

[opal surge]

Most lesser skilled are like 210/215 with 01

I don't actually see many 00s so not sure

[next musk]

my rotation is standart and dash timings are decent, I have not a faintest clue where I am supposed to get out 30k more dps

unless sucrose is just so much better than Nahida as well

[opal surge]

She deis

Definitely is* but not this much

[next musk]

every sheet by end of beta had them within 1k dps of each other

[opal surge]

Sheets reflect nefer very poorly

[next musk]

and if anything nahida's single target buff should be favored by better standart than kqms

[next musk]

why so?

[opal surge]

They're not only assuming much slower execution than what people can actually do on her and they also had sucrose rotations wrong

And nefer gains more from leaving kqms than the average

[next musk]

you mean the stuff with having 5 swaps inbetween nefer combos instead of 3?

and I dont know what faster execution would give me when I already hit the columbina skill bottleneck

without ult admittedly but thats not 20k dps

is there a good video for nefer you'd recommend?

I found youtube much more helpful than written guides and such for optimizing Skork

[opal surge]

No clue I haven't consumed a piece of genshin yt content in years

Besides occasionally linking a Karon clear that ended on yt

[opal surge]

https://youtu.be/cqNXM8gZaVY?is=Rcg-OoKRU7K2Twt8 you can look at this if it helps it's S. Rotation on full c0r0 it's like 195kish

It has been further optimised I think but this is the only one I can remember that's 00

Tomura had hit 235k with 01

[next musk]

Columbina CA for quills was certainly an intuitive optimization of all time

at least this looks easier than skirk brainrot

rip nahida

what can Flins get at 3 cost I wonder

[next musk]

wait its been further optimized than almost 200k with no vertical?

I been slacking

I assume I will lose neferillion dps if I ever unbench my ineffa

[opal surge]

I know further optimisations have been done or at least discussed but I can't compare them to this one directly because they're made with diff builds and mostly with Sig on nefer

Well possible that this is optimal optimal still

English tc space is in a bit of combo optimisation frenzy but it's not that useful for most players

[rugged sparrow]

Karon my goat

him and San

[dusky oxide]

what should I do with a c1 dehya?

[viral mulch]

cry

[dusky oxide]

dayum

[tepid fjord]

Would anyone be willing to help me figure out what teams I can create with the characters I have? I'm currently working on a lunar charged team with flins and ineffa, and want to work on a lunar crystallize team for when I pull for Linnea, but any advice on good team comps would be so very much appreciated 😭 i just came back to genshin in January after not playing since before sumeru released so I am woefully behind

[crude snow]

Xingqiu and Sucrose for ur Filins and Ineffa team, or switch Xingqiu for the free Aino.

For a second team, Hu Tao or Ayaka is currently your best dps to build around (vape and melt teams). Though if you want lunar crystalize with Linnea, you might want to pull for Columbina, and you def want to build Aino if you're doing two lunar teams. Maybe Gorou for geo support if you get two more constellations of him. I think Ningguang also buffs geo? I don't remember her kit that well, you have to walk through her screen or something.

Just focus on Sucrose and Aino if your Filins and Ineffa are already built.

[lyric cargo]

she isn't that relevant afaik, I actually don't know of any teams that want to use dehya off-field anymore

on-field dehya is pretty niche, most accounts probably have a better pyro on-fielder

[next musk]

Wait do you know if this uses instructor sucrose?

Or is it 2p 2p em lauma and deepwood sucrose

[next musk]

She is fine IR option for Neuv "hypercarry" at c0()

[neon wave]

should be ins Sucrose

They're going out of their way to trigger swirl every time

Also just better afaik

[opal surge]

ins

[next musk]

Wish they'd post builds

[opal surge]

its just a rotation demonstration

[next musk]

yeah but 200k dps is cooked

[dusky oxide]

any notable cons I should take? Or is c6 jean fine?

[desert monolith]

just take the c6

[dusky oxide]

alrighty c6 it is

never thought I'd see the day

2500 hours later and I finally have c6 jean

[fringe bear]

Baizu c1 is good, gives extra charge (that helps with er) the problem is he is not used in any current meta team

[dusky oxide]

hmm yes and his c2 is supposedly dendro xq?

with heal to boot

I'm really torn between him, wanderer and jean tbh the rest are kinda eh

[fringe bear]

C6 jean does not help with dps or er, it just helps to get her c7 faster)))

[dusky oxide]

it's for the drip my man

does kokomi apply more hydro than mona?

not for the selector I'm just curious

[fringe bear]

yeah, that is a solid reason as well, overall getting mona closer to c4 is good, baizu c1 is good, and any other pick like Ganyu or Wanderer can also work if you like them, and use them a lot

[dusky oxide]

I don't 😭
more like I don't get to

[fringe bear]

yes, her c1 is kinda useless tho)

[dusky oxide]

does mona c4 has a huge impact on teams outside mualani? (which I don't have)

[fringe bear]

around like 5-7k dps increase) for skirk team, not much but something, it's just other standard cons are useless)))

[dusky oxide]

fair enough

I'll just prepare my jean for that hypothetical buff

any day now...

[fringe bear]

lets hope for the best)

[desert monolith]

i would get c6 jean just for posibility of stella

[lyric cargo]

Mona cons should be more valuable than high jean cons

c7 can be lvl95 for any char you actually play, ofc

do you play any of those chars in the selection?

[hazy lotus]

does the sucrose vs nahida debacle change with more cons on nefer + teammates i never bothered to look around about that cause my sucrose isn’t built anyways

[vernal bane]

Uhh there might be smth about it on keqingmains

[fringe bear]

I don't think so, nahida can only be better if she herself has cons
You do not need to fully build sucrose to use her, you can keep talents at 1/1/1 and level at 70 or 80
Just give her triple em instructor, and sac frag

[hazy lotus]

yeah i looked around and i think i’ll stick with nahida i plan to c6 nefer and instructor uptime seems like it’ll be a little iffier with no dash cancelling and the rotation with sucrose eats up some of the quills before nefer takes the field again

[humble gazelle]

can someone help me with a domain?

please

[nova swift]

What server?

[vernal bane]

If peng isn’t in the same server as you I’m also up to help if I can

[dusky oxide]

like actively play? No, I used to play ganyu and wanderer alot but I haven't used them since I think late fontaine - early natlan, aside from them baizhu was a mainstay in my nilou team but since I got nefer he's been chilling obv

I think it was even earlier than that since I got neuv in 4.5 and used him for the rest of fontaine and a majority of natlan abyss

[buoyant cove]

Misread this as "since I think late fortnite - early natlan"

[patent snow]

Helli

For colum c2, which set of artifact should i use?

In nefer team

[sage sail]

i give up on clearing fearless difficulty. i can't brute force knuckle duckle with nefer and i can't beat the first boss with venti

can sm1 help me clear menacing?

as in co-op? im on NA server

[hazy lotus]

u still need? lmao

[sage sail]

yeah i can hop on rn

[hazy lotus]

aight send me ur uid i'll get on in a sec

[placid sparrow]

Who is better as a healer in freeze team? Charlotte or Jean?
I'm planning to use Skirk+Furina+Mona/Yelan. I need a healer for my team.

[hazy lotus]

charlotte since it’s a skirk team and u want hydro/cryo

[hazy lotus]

i think bina still goes sms since nefers personal damage is the large majority of the team dps idk if c2 makes binas dmg significant enough to change that i suppose it’d be better than on c0 bina at least

[patent snow]

Ok

Thank u

[placid sparrow]

Oh yes thanks