📌gimshim-help

[opal surge]

But it gets cancelled if his bar is full anyway

So it's only relevant for mualani

[bright cape]

they should have given dire infinite time

i would clear it even without any rewards

@opal surge have u pulled ineffa?

[opal surge]

Nope

[lyric cargo]

did anyone have any dire prestige left at the end of last disturbance outbreak?
I'd like to know if it carried over

context: this is dire prestige (the counter that gives an extra artifact when it reaches 120)

7h 58m of disturbance outbreak left in EU
8h is 60 resin generation
I have 94 resin and 80 dire prestige
80 + 94 + 60 = 234
so I'm just shy of being able to hit 120 twice

if it carries over, I'll put in a bunch
if it doesn't, I'll get to 120 and call it a day

could also throw in a fragile to reach the next 120

[young jetty]

Yow what do i build for skirk team if i dont have esocfiier(the chef girl dont how to spell her name) and shenhe....

[lyric cargo]

if you're still running Furina even without Escoffier, you'll need a healer.
Likely cryo, so Charlotte or Mika

for the last slot, I'm not sure. Either Yelan or some off-field cryo dps

Xingqiu is also possible
I'm not sure if his burst cooldown is a bit long for Skirk rotations (I think I remember something like that, but could be off. He's being used in Stygian by some, with Skirk on the turtle.)

[bright cape]

do u have furina?

i use skirk, furina, chongyun, charlotte

[grim violet]

im at 65 pity with gaurentee, i kinda want ineffa but i have 0 plans on getting filins and im getting lauma. would it be worth it for me to get ineffa or should i just wait

seems nice to have, i do like her character and the design has grown a bit after seeing it in game

[young jetty]

Yes i have furina

[lyric cargo]

In terms of meta, Ineffa's value partly depends on things we don't know yet

her best set right now is 4pc gilded or 2pc 2pc (it's not very good)
but she could get a new artifact set next region

also, I think she's an off-fielder without a carry that necessarily wants her right now? That can change
what good teams want her? Neuvilette team sidegrade? Arlecchino overvape?

if you want a more in-depth look at her current state:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CcOiG-rbEpY

it's kinda the same situation as Emilie at the end of Fontaine. if you want more certainty, you could wait for a rerun

[bright cape]

how about chongyun, charlotte?

try to give them, tenacity, noblesse and ttds

[viral mulch]

why the long face

[quartz willow]

Hello 👋

[young jetty]

This good? hahaha also any alternatives to chongyun?

[young jetty]

[bright cape]

oh. u already have a clear. congrats

just by replacing diona with charlotte, u should see huge dps boost

give her ttds and noblesse with enough ER

the dps for abyss is not very demanding now.

u should be fine with current team for a long time

[nova swift]

Not as fine as you

[open lotus]

What is kaveh? A dps?

[haughty lotus]

Yeah kinda lol. He’s a dendro onfielder

His kit is intended for onfield bloom triggering but bloom on its own is pretty cheeks except Nilou but she makes blooms detonate instantly anyways

People sometimes use him as a driver for hyperbloom

[bright cape]

who is worth building to 70/80 here?

i am trying to get as many standard pull as I can

[haughty lotus]

Iansane

[cedar flint]

Iansan is probably your strongest character that is not leveled up yet

[bright cape]

she is c0. does she work well at that level?

[cedar flint]

she is not better than Bennett at c0 but still good

[bright cape]

ok. i will try on her after getting others to lvl 71

my aim is to get all standard pulls before nod-krai

[young jetty]

So skirk,furina,yelan,charlotte good or skirk,furina,mona? Or congyun?,charlotte

[bright cape]

yelan charlotte

make charlotte the last in the rotation

burst with her and swap with ttds

she will fill up a lot of fanfare

u r giving tons of dmg bonus and atk buff that way

[young jetty]

So the rotatation is furina>yelan>charlotte>skirk?

[thorn bay]

I have no idea on how to kill this cacti

I should probably start building my fischjp

[lyric cargo]

not tried it in Stygian?

[thorn bay]

I tried

I used chasca on all 3

Hidden about to cook

[lyric cargo]

there are two kinds of teams that beat the cactus:

non- h/e dps:
hyperbloom, Arlecchino overvape, etc
→ teams that use electro-charged to break the hat quickly, then use another element to kill the cactus

h/e dps:
any h/e damage the hat takes is dealt to the cactus when the hat is broken

so like Varesa overload / etc

[thorn bay]

So I can use gaming vape??

[lyric cargo]

he's a non- h/e dps
so only if there's electro-charged

my first attempt would be something like
Chasca Iansan Furina Bennett

idk if that makes the other side difficult for you

[thorn bay]

Ok

Gaming on the second side?

[quaint fern]

OH new abyss is out??

[thorn bay]

Ig I’ll just wait for the banner

[quaint fern]

that fuckass cactus is in it?

[thorn bay]

To get feather bow fruitful hook and Bennett

[lyric cargo]

can try, though Chasca took his Bennett

[quaint fern]

i guess I'll play freeze skirk + fischl or smth

[thorn bay]

I mean I have been using both without bennett

[lyric cargo]

going for Chasca sig, risking Mualani sig?

[quaint fern]

oh nvm it doesnt reset for three more hours on na

[lyric cargo]

it's a pretty good weapon banner, in terms of 4-stars

[lyric cargo]

oh, you're on NA

[quaint fern]

gaming will do zero dmg without bennett

I would just use iansan for chasca

[viral mulch]

the past timezone server

[quaint fern]

wait have you never seen my uid?

[thorn bay]

Mine does 160k

[viral mulch]

i dont remember seeing actually

[lyric cargo]

not consciously ^^
I also always forget which UID first digits correspond to which server region

[viral mulch]

6 is scared cus 7 8 9

[thorn bay]

18/8 as/au
7 is eu
6 is na

[lyric cargo]

honestly, Ga Ming has never done anything for me outside theater
I tried to do fearless turtle with him since he hits slowly, failed

7 should be EU
looking at my own UID

[thorn bay]

Oh

[viral mulch]

6 is na 7 is eu 8 or 18 is asia

[quaint fern]

i've tried him in SO before but he just sucks to play

probably just an investment issue but his abyss teams always need so much ER to function

i hate it

[viral mulch]

nah youre right he sucks to play

[lyric cargo]

time for me to do weekly bosses!
(first day after disturbance outbreak)

[viral mulch]

i dont think ive seen a single person who glazes gaming due to sheet dps batchest while actually maining him in game

[thorn bay]

Honestly I was trying to go for astral vultures crimson plane then I saw the 4 star alt so I think I’ll stop there I want to get at least. C1 bennett and then go for weapon

[quaint fern]

someone here asked me to share my skirk clear bc they were surprised that I could clear fearless papilla w/o furina https://streamable.com/6cz1jm

[lyric cargo]

I'd be willing to reset a bunch
but since I have Mavuika, his use cases are few
needed Mav on Papilla, so I tried to bring him on turtle

[viral mulch]

sgark

[thorn bay]

Me doing leylines in Fontaine I use gaming

It feels satisfying and easier

[quaint fern]

I honeslty might have considered chasca if I hadn't already cleared fearless but man this 4* lineup sucks for older players

[viral mulch]

citlali alone makes it hard to use on cocijo assuming you didnt just use it on mavu already yea

[lyric cargo]

oh right, it was without Furina
someone was looking for teams without Escoffier the other day, I mixed it up and was looking through your uploaded images here

[quaint fern]

everyone already has bennett c6'd unless newer player

[thorn bay]

It’s absolutely amazing for me having no bennett

[quaint fern]

wtf

okay goated banner if you want to pull then

[thorn bay]

At. 56 btw

[quaint fern]

ororon is good for new EC teams/mav too

[thorn bay]

I got c5 ororon trying to get Layla

[viral mulch]

@rugged sparrow did a quick top half run on day 1 of this abyss
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1332630759898349581/1406114800685023434/253.mp4?ex=68a149f4&is=689ff874&hm=0d61f1dbdb404101506eaf7d5801c1eb4598c6652deac3b5f90353346d3205f7&

[quaint fern]

I acutally dont know tho, how does his personal damage compare to fischl at c6?

[lyric cargo]

I wasn't capping the shield, but the dps just wasn't enough
only got it to 50% on the first few attempts, then just gave up because it was nowhere near clearing

in the end I used Neuv Esco Citlali Furina for it

[lyric cargo]

how many wishes do you have right now?

[thorn bay]

Not gonna talk about that

[viral mulch]

i doubt ororon ever outdamages fischl its just he has scroll

[thorn bay]

😭

I haven’t explored so I can probably farm like 20

[quaint fern]

you want ororon's c4 right?

[lyric cargo]

I see two options, but one takes more wishes

(option 1) wish on Chasca banner until you get c1 Bennett + potentially c6 Ororon

(option 2) wish on weapon banner first. if you get Mualani sig, maaaaybe get her? I might still skip her 😅

[quaint fern]

I'd like to think that I have a healthy amount saved for nod krai but this is realistically just one character

[viral mulch]

when the bow is astral vultures something idk the full name

[quaint fern]

depending on my ability to clear stygian I may or may not pull

tbh none of the character designs really speak to me but I'll have to see ig

[thorn bay]

I think I’ll get chasca sig not m u alani but if I lose then I have nobody to use mua sig so ya I might get her but I’m at 0 pity

[thorn bay]

ASTRAL VULTURE’S CRIMSON PLUMAGE🗣️ 🔥

[quaint fern]

yerah

[viral mulch]

[lyric cargo]

20024 / 160 ~= 125

[quaint fern]

avcp was tempting for me but I think I'll pass

I'll get ganyu a new bow in nod krai

[thorn bay]

I don’t want ororon or ifa in just want bennet hopefully i get him at c1 at 20 pulls

[lyric cargo]

Oro is nice for when Stygian makes you play Mavuika overload
having a second electro off-fielder is good, I think

[thorn bay]

C6 oro makes his ult do more dmg and spin faster right??

[lyric cargo]

Ifa feels great to play, but only in overworld
they didn't give him the damage, I even failed to clear any theater floor with him + c6 Faruzan
despite having a good build

[lyric cargo]

it gives 30% atk to the active char

[quaint fern]

okay but like

[viral mulch]

how bro got sands

[quaint fern]

isnt he worse than sucrose

[thorn bay]

Nvm it buffs T EAm

And do more ult dmg

[lyric cargo]

it's not even my only one ^^

for some reason, my codex atk sands are blessed

[viral mulch]

bro made a pact with the devil for codex pieces

[thorn bay]

Talent??

[viral mulch]

(i am indeed jealous)

[quaint fern]

tbf it's basically the end of the region

[thorn bay]

Oh nvm it’s different

[lyric cargo]

most damage comes from his skill talent

[thorn bay]

I thought it was like ca not like a whole new thing called tonic shot

[hazy lotus]

my codex luck was so dogshit i gave up on it and went back to mh

[quaint fern]

I'm honestly surprised how this is my best atk sands on troupe after farming for so long

[viral mulch]

it only means codex will soon come to stinkbox and ill do that for the next year

[lyric cargo]

funny part is the goblet

Ifa is the only char who wants a codex anemo% goblet

[thorn bay]

I tried mono anemo chasca it was meh

[lyric cargo]

you hold NA and he does fast, auto targeting normal attacks with decent AoE

[thorn bay]

Worse than a expected

[viral mulch]

surely i get that kind of luck on whatever arti set they add on nod krai thats super important to the region chars like mh and codex

[lyric cargo]

yeah, she gets a high multiplier when she converts her shots

[thorn bay]

Also does swirl do more anemo dmg like aggravate and spread

[viral mulch]

no swirl just swirls

[thorn bay]

Oh

[lyric cargo]

swirl deals transformative reaction damage of the swirled element, I think

so like even if you swirl + vaporize or melt it'll be a transformative vaporize reaction 🤔

[thorn bay]

So other element does more dmg due to swirl

[lyric cargo]

that's just VV

but yeah, that's mostly what swirls are used for

[thorn bay]

Vv shreds

[lyric cargo]

when hoyo allows swirling the element you need

[viral mulch]

when the res shred comes out from the microwave sizzling

[thorn bay]

I want to swirl geo Dendro

Why does this not exist

[viral mulch]

try blowing on a rock

[hazy lotus]

Okay done now what

[viral mulch]

exactly

[thorn bay]

https://tenor.com/view/storm-hold-tight-gif-15107905

[viral mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/smart-horse-genius-beautiful-gif-3961863791999148625

[thorn bay]

https://tenor.com/view/leaf-blower-most-powerful-leaf-blower-cleaning-make-it-real-the-hacksmith-gif-13817045

[thorn bay]

Try blowing on a lighting

[viral mulch]

i tried but instead i got struck by it and died

https://tenor.com/view/electro-boom-gif-18170714

[violet cipher]

I was told to get a better flower for my fischl, what stats am I exactly looking for?

[lyric cargo]

those are the right stats, they're just low rolls

I don't think it's too bad

6 min rolls in crit is 6 * 70% = 420% roll value
add one max-roll of atk%, and it's 520%

Fischl's useful stats are crit, crit, atk%

EM is useful in aggravate, but not that useful otherwise

[lyric cargo]

also some ER, but not a high priority since she usually doesn't need that much to burst every other rotation

[bright cape]

that's very good fischl

but yah. add ER espcially for stygian

[lyric cargo]

here's mine, if I give her stringless
I could probably swap some artifacts around to improve her crit ratio

(she's usually on skyward harp)

[bright cape]

does harp gives cdmg too?

gotta win this weapon from standard some day

also i am having hard time getting her burst back on 120%

with solo electro

[lyric cargo]

yeah, it has a passive

[lyric cargo]

iirc she can need up to 140%

[bright cape]

yah. i have her something like that for stygian

[lyric cargo]

my good GT atk% crit pieces with ER are on Escoffier, I think

my Fischl used to just naturally have 140% ER before I got Esco

[bright cape]

i wouldn't be mad if that sands rolled all into ER

[lyric cargo]

hmm, could get a better on-set plume or an on-set sands if you keep farming the domain at some point

[bright cape]

circlet too

that's not her regular build

[lyric cargo]

nevermind the CR overcap

[bright cape]

doesn't she scale with atk?

[lyric cargo]

yeah, she does

[bright cape]

scarlett has very low base

i will give her my pjws when i get her ofcourse

or may be zhongli's weapon

[lyric cargo]

yeah, low base high substat
it's making it difficult not to overcap, so I'd rather have another weapon
but if it's not that, it's fav

[violet cipher]

I'm not sure the difference between high and low rolls. Would any of these work?

[lyric cargo]

she's usually on fav, for stygian

[lyric cargo]

all of those are fine, except maybe for this

[violet cipher]

ok, ty

[bright cape]

should i spend 100 resin now?

today's the last day

[violet cipher]

*shoulda asked this instead - are any of them a better replacement for what I have rn?

[lyric cargo]

the one you have equipped is fine as well

my guess is whoever said to get a new plume really doesn't like low rolls
but total roll value is what matters. (and balancing crit ratio)

[violet cipher]

#📌gimshim-help message

[lyric cargo]

I still don't know if it carries over to the next one

(what are those sets you have selected there? )

[bright cape]

noblesse and bloodstained chivalry

i realized how important noblesse n tenacity were

[lyric cargo]

that's a very funny Fischl flower, with 6 min-rolls (still good, 5.2 roll value)
I said funny, not bad

[bright cape]

from fighting that turtle

[violet cipher]

I misinterpeted cause it was on the list, sry.

[lyric cargo]

I thought I avoided giving that impression by saying "still good, 5.2 roll value" ^^

[lyric cargo]

chivalry is useless, no?

I'd only farm combinations where both sets are useful

[bright cape]

yah. but i am tired of collecting obsidian pieces.

[lyric cargo]

like Marecaussee + Golden Troupe
or Codex + Scroll

[bright cape]

i see

i am kinda tired of both

[lyric cargo]

for anything else, you're wasting half the resin. not even the extra artifact every 120 resin spent can make up for that waste

[bright cape]

may be after i get escoffier

[lyric cargo]

I'd use the artifact strongbox to get sets where the paired set is bad

[violet cipher]

My skirk team is
Skirk - MH
Furina - GT and ToTM
Escoffier - GT
ShenHe - Nobless or Xingqiu - Emblem
who should be using ToTM? Especially when ShenHe is on team?

[violet cipher]

Good point, sorry.

[bright cape]

that's too slow

[lyric cargo]

Furina

[violet cipher]

k

[bright cape]

btw this is my fischl normally. 120 Er was not enough.

is plume really that bad?

[lyric cargo]

it takes a while, but you'll get there eventually
you don't need perfect noblesse pieces, just look for ER

[bright cape]

it shows shiny in game

[lyric cargo]

I count 5 useful substat rolls
3x crit rate, 2x crit dmg?

[bright cape]

ur standard is 7?

[lyric cargo]

does that mean it has 9 total substats? I never noticed there's a difference

4 of them are flat rolls, though

[bright cape]

i think it only needs 5 rolls

[lyric cargo]

that's low for a flower / plume imo

[lyric cargo]

or rather, if you still have improvements to make in Marechausse
than this counts as something to realistically improve on GT as well
making the combination still worth farming

depending on what else you have left to farm

[bright cape]

i am kinda done with marechausee

the skirk was left over pieces

i wanna work on noblesse, tenacity and navia now

[lyric cargo]

could get an on-set circlet for her, maybe
to off-piece the goblet, once you get a good off-piece one

[bright cape]

that was my goal. getting circlet for her is very rough

very few usable stats

[lyric cargo]

thing about Skirk is, she has few useful substats. just CR, CD, atk%
making off-piece goblets with CR, CD, atk% a good reroll target

you could get an 8 useful substat goblet that way, which increases the overall quality of the build a lot

[bright cape]

i also have this great goblet standby

but she kinda overcaps on crit rate with this

[lyric cargo]

potential crafting angle, though farming is also reasonable
since you'll need Escoffier pieces in the future and Fischl could improve a little bit

[bright cape]

i remember foddering cdmg circlet that rolled mostly into atk few months ago.

coz i was building nevi at that time

and dust was not introduced yet

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1304540031980933201/1389286008561864906/fufufatwae.gif

[lyric cargo]

overcap is another reason to keep farming
I'm still farming codex for that reason. I'd like to hit 100% CR on Mavuika without much overcap

[bright cape]

mavuika clears fearless fine. so i am focussing on skirk supports for the time

tenacity furina and noblesse charlotte the goal now

[lyric cargo]

the melt build kinda gets there, but only by stealing this plume

[bright cape]

that's a perfect web if i have ever seen one

0.19%

[lyric cargo]

I'd like some more good flowers / plumes
so when I get a good off-piece goblet, I can match one to tune my crit ratio

[bright cape]

best of luck. i could never go this deep

[lyric cargo]

let's say I get an off-piece goblet with CR, CD, atk%, EM
and it rolls into crit rate

[glacial dragon]

Is anyone able to help me with the archon quest interlude chapter act 2?

[lyric cargo]

what's the issue there? combat?
which server region do you play on?

[violet cipher]

I've tryied using this hyperbloom team to beat the cactus on fearless but no luck. Is it a damage issue or rotation issue?

[glacial dragon]

I'm just low level and have trouble with 2 enemies in it that keep killing me, I'm in na

[strange scarab]

you cant coop archon quests

[glacial dragon]

Dang

[lyric cargo]

maybe there were a few seconds where you could've bursted faster
lost some time swapping to Nahida on the first hat phase and not immediately downing it, so it started swapping

I'll record a run later, but I have c2 Nahida

[rugged sparrow]

12 mobs into 4 waves

[lyric cargo]

abyss floor 11 mob stage be like:
"I can't get the Xilonen buff because the enemies die before I can N2"

[lyric cargo]

hmm, that's a curve ball

I guess Mavuika can still work against the the burning-aflame Wayob
if you have the damage / shred to get through its res and not let it shield

[rugged sparrow]

I literally staggered it with Wrio before it could shield

didnt even know it was possible

[lyric cargo]

small flaw in my plan
I may have forgotten to actually bring Mavuika

[thorn bay]

Ahh yes pyro dps escoffier
Cryo hydro res shreder mavuika

[lyric cargo]

with talent level 1 NA 😛
more likely pyro dps Bennett

embrace the true pyro archon

[strange scarab]

Hows new abyss

[thorn bay]

Mavuika: pyro archon
Bennett: THE PYRO ARCHON

[thorn bay]

doo doo

[strange scarab]

no offense but i wanna hear it from someone who knows what theyre doing

[thorn bay]

Fair

[lyric cargo]

first half: mob grinder + mob grinder + Cactus
second half: pyro shill Hamster + Jadeplume + SSA: pillar maker

I just cleared it with
Neuv + electro first half
Mavuika melt second half

[strange scarab]

Doesnt sound fun for reset attempts

doing speedruns just doesnt feel the same anymore

[lyric cargo]

I think it's all about Stygian now

or maybe that's just because it's new

[strange scarab]

I like it when me and my friend compete for that last patch now not so much

[lyric cargo]

our first down time is similar
mine was 1:24. Yours 1:16, but only because you tried to go to Nahida early and it started swapping again

second hat phase starts 0:55 for me and 0:47 for you
hp entering 2nd hat phase is somewhat comparable, though yours is slightly above 50%

2nd down is 0:26 for me, 0:20 for you
it's losing less hp from the hat phase, so I guess your Xq / Yelan might have less damage?

I didn't use Nahida's burst at all, though idk if that's good or bad in this context

[lyric cargo]

slightly more ER on Xq would've been nice

to get both bursts first rotation

[lyric cargo]

I'd have a look at the xq / yelan / raiden builds and their talent levels

[violet cipher]

#📌gimshim-help message right over here for the Xq and Yelan builds but for the rest I’ll have to get tomorrow

[violet cipher]

Ty

[safe wedge]

I think I'll go for Columbina but I should be able to manage one more 5 star before 6.3

Should I go for Chasca or some other units?

[lyric cargo]

as you don't have good on-fielders at all yet, you can go in pretty much any direction

upside to Chasca is she can adapt her elements to what you need

also, she gives you a carry now as opposed to waiting more

downside is mostly that she really wants Bennett. so whatever second team you go for can't use him

[safe wedge]

I have iansan who could replace him in other teams? Are we privy to the mechanisms of columbina's kit to know whether she needs Benny? Also, you're right I would like an actual on field dps but it doesn't have to be chasca. It just seemed like flinn won't be efficient without ineffa's lunar charge

I'll start pre farming chasca if it'll be worth it unless Its better to go for sub dps and supports like yelan or nahida

[lyric cargo]

we don't know anything about Columbina, no

[lyric cargo]

if flins ends up being an innefa team (Lunar-charged and nothing else), I'd probably prefer the versatility of Varesa over a dps with one team

Varesa's main team also doesn't need Bennett
(it's Chevreuse + Iansan + pyro)

[lyric cargo]

having a dps is more important, though while many dpses can be viable there are a few supports most accounts would want

Furina, Citlali, Xilonen, Escoffier

I'd aim to build one Bennett team, one Furina team, and one that doesn't need either

being able to make 3 teams without support overlap is good

[unkempt river]

e

[safe wedge]

i also do believe in the notion that dps should be acquired before supports. You give great suggestions and it just so happens that i can get myself a citlali rn. Varesa is still atleast 2 months away, do i go for chasca or wait for varesa?

[lyric cargo]

hmm. gotta get chars when they're on banner, so I won't say getting Citlali now is wrong

is there a chance you could get both?

[safe wedge]

i have 50 pity and 50 pulls with my next featured guaranteed. i feel like i might like columbina seeing all the hype(im currently in fontaine) without much exploration done

[thorn bay]

There are a lot of Emirates and just more than one enemies and my chasca is not c2 so I felt like having her on the second half was faster

Still kinda wondering in the 1st half

[cedar flint]

Kinda nice you don’t really need electro charge to clear the cactus in abyss

[lyric cargo]

that's 12-1-1?

I wouldn't use Chasca first half

[lyric cargo]

oh, I see now

this was speaking in general for Cactus, I hadn't played the new abyss yet

[elder bluff]

how about bring her to the 2nd half and leave the first to someone else

[lyric cargo]

you'll somehow need to get an AoE team together. got a month to get there, and your only carry is Chasca

Ororon is probably part of the solution. maybe Ifa Ororon? but that's two new chars to build

I'd give up on clearing in one go, enter with whatever your best teams for 12-3 are

then you can re-enter with a team like Ga Ming first half to get 3★ in 12-1 and 12-2

[opal surge]

dont need it in onslaught either

[fast rock]

This abyss is ass,need help

I can't do the third chamber

Pls suggest me some teams

[lyric cargo]

got a screenshot of your char list?

Varesa first half, Mavuika second half would work

if you already cleared the AoE part of 1st half

I'd suggest Neuvilette first half, but I don't see him. I have to assume you don't own

[fast rock]

Isn't loading for some reason

I used Mavuika, citlali, Bennett and Kazuha on first
Varesa,lansen, xiangling and

Chevreuse on second

[lyric cargo]

Varesa Iansan Chevreuse [pyro]
Mavuika Bennett Escoffier Citlali

hmm, could put another team 2nd half if you want to use Mavuika as the pyro unit with Varesa

[fast rock]

I have somewhat good arle

[lyric cargo]

Arle + Ben + Esco + Citlali? I assume that'd work

I don't see Xilonen

[fast rock]

How am I supposed to break taco guy shield

[lyric cargo]

this is for 2nd half

[lyric cargo]

Varesa breaks the shield with damage

[fast rock]

Oh

[lyric cargo]

the hat takes damage equal to the electo / hydro damage dealt to the hat
unless that's a mechanic exclusive to Stygian

if that's the case, I'm the fool (sorry)

[fast rock]

Idk either

For second half,how am I going to reach that robot nightsoul gimmicks

[thorn bay]

i thought you said so

[lyric cargo]

you had asked how to beat Cactus

[thorn bay]

oh sorry if i didnt specify that

[lyric cargo]

I could've thoght ahead and realized you meant the whole abyss lineup on its side, sorry 😅

[thorn bay]

ok thats kinda scuffed but ok

[lyric cargo]

it's what I used to do until I had two good teams

I was surprised to find out the stars in theater don't work like that
gotta clear all in one go there

[lyric cargo]

did you usually clear abyss so far? your char pool looked like it might be just about possible, but not reliably

[thorn bay]

12-3 ye but not like 36 star

[lyric cargo]

ah

[radiant ruin]

hiii

[vapid egret]

so uhh how good is c1 citlali

[thorn bay]

Very good

I have been loving her c1

[vapid egret]

How exactly does it work..?

[thorn bay]

It buffs your team dmg other than Citlali by her em

[vapid egret]

buffs by 200% of her em

well ig that means I gotta switch to em sands then

[strange scarab]

Its basically nothing remarkable

only a stepping stone to c2

[valid anchor]

After nearby party members trigger Frozen or Melt, Citlali will gain another 3 stacks of Stellar Blade. This effect can trigger once every 8s.

Using the Elemental Skill Dawnfrost Darkstar will reset Stellar Blade stacks.
Additionally, when Citlali is using her leap, or is Aiming or using her Charged Attack in mid-air, her Phlogiston consumption is decreased by 45%.```

[vapid egret]

that sounds like a flat dmg increase

[vapid egret]

also which is better. Chasca's C1 or her signature?

[thorn bay]

Sig

C1 makes her lil more flexible and last longer in the air

[vapid egret]

But r1 gives just plain more damage right?

[thorn bay]

Ye

[vapid egret]

If I'm running Chasca Mavuika and Citlali, is Iansan or Bennett more suitable?

[valid anchor]

either, I think. Iansan is more comfortable on C2+.

[vapid egret]

Oh sweet. Although I kinda wish I had c6

[valid anchor]

Bennet gives Mavuika Pyro resonance, that's the other stuff in consideration. Also, Chasca's bullets.

[vapid egret]

Yeah so iansan gives more variance in reactions doesn't she?

[valid anchor]

Iansan gives more reaction variability, yes (Pyro-Electro-Cryo).
If use Bennett, 2 bullets will be Pyro.

[strange scarab]

bennett is straight up better

she doesnt want electro bullet not with cit in the team

[vapid egret]

Also is 100k on melt bullets a healthy number for Chasca? or should I be doing more

[strange scarab]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1325762931371278348.png

Dont judge by number judge by enka card

[elder bluff]

any other bow?

[vapid egret]

uhhh no other 5 starr

[opal surge]

TP is fine

[opal surge]

Iansan is better at C6 by a pretty decent margin

Difference decreases with chasca cons

[opal surge]

If you don't have mualani I would consider pulling c1

With tp R1 is not as far ahead anymore

[vapid egret]

I do...?

[opal surge]

then pull whatever

C1 is probably better than R1 but not by much/depends on team

[safe wedge]

Was thinking of pulling for Chasca but without furina how much of a loss in dps are we talking about here, assuming that I get ororon who will be featured with chasca, what would the team be?

[opal surge]

I think your best chasca team is kaeya iansan bennett

but iansan bennett combo is a bit of tomfoolery

[safe wedge]

Yeah having two supports one of which limit your mobility while the other require you to move around doesn't sound ideal

[opal surge]

Chasca doesnt technically have an issue maintaining both iansan and bennett but it feels a bit silly for sure

[crude dirge]

fischl snapshot

[round crane]

hi, tryin to build melt arlecchino, should i go for glad or fragment (my frag set is worse), and how much em should i aim for. and which weapon would be the best for melt

[dull smelt]

how do i beat these two asha? it seems rigged

[elder bluff]

easy come easy go

[lyric cargo]

good stepping stone to c2

[lyric cargo]

it that the race?

it didn't seem difficult to me with Mav + Sayu

[dull smelt]

Yes, I beat it with mavuika

[lyric cargo]

was going to say it's funny Sayu still hasn't been powercrept in exploration even after Natlan
but Versa exists (I just don't have her)

[elder bluff]

I used asha with kinich skills

[crude dirge]

does bennet clear bond of life when above 70% for finale of the deep

finale of the deep r5 is best non event or paid option for dps bennet😭

[elder bluff]

and who will decrease the hp for his burst to work

[crude dirge]

idk it might consider him being below 70%

[dull smelt]

Wdym? C1 and above removes the hp requirement

[elder bluff]

c1 does not help healing if he is above 70%

[dull smelt]

Oh healing, I thought you meant the atk boost

[fiery wigeon]

Uhh how does the new abyss boss work with the 3 hats? Like I am lost

[elder bluff]

same mechanics as the overworld but not hit hard like that

and it goes into mechanics right away

[fiery wigeon]

Like do I have to restart this run because I have to bring electro charge..? Thats gay

Like i brought neuvilette with fichl but fichls application is too weak

[crude dirge]

just get enough hydro or electro dmg

[elder bluff]

fischl is good enough to work

[fiery wigeon]

I dont have her c6 so maybe not

Bruh this is such a waste of time but here we are

Does raidens E actually count the hats as an enemy?

As ik she doent acknowledge abyss shields

Like i genuinely dont know how to beat the hat boss he just keeps 1 shotitng at the start

[crude dirge]

wym 1 shoting at the start

it kills if u didnt kill the hat fast enough

u have a lot of time especially with neuv

[fiery wigeon]

Exactly and I have raiden and fichlwith neuv it gets to half then one shot

How much electro charge do ya need God damn

[crude dirge]

u can just brute force it

u dont deal enough dmg then

[fiery wigeon]

Its definitely not a damage problem is juts needs figure put how the mechanic works

[crude dirge]

u kill the hat hes in, he gets damaged and stunned, u do big pp damage on him, repeat

[fiery wigeon]

Imma try furina raiden and kazabruh

Actually no wait he one shots maybe zhongdong

[quaint fern]

fischl should be fine

that's how I did it

[crude dirge]

he does NOT supposed to one shot u bro

when does he

[quaint fern]

you can try bringing ororon if non c6 fischl isnt enough

[elder bluff]

you need to hit the correct hat

[quaint fern]

^

are you hitting the one with a face? at the beginning of the chamber just watch the hats move carefully

hit it at the beginning with skill to generate particles if you need but otherwise dont start dpsing

[fiery wigeon]

How do I know which one is the right hat

[crude dirge]

the one he got in..

and just watch it move

[opal surge]

fischl is completely fine

you dont actually need much electro app at all

[elder bluff]

if the hat he is in switches, it will have the golden dust effect

[opal surge]

it literally shuffles twice

[elder bluff]

and the correct hat will always deal the aoe blast last

[opal surge]

just watch it

[elder bluff]

it shuffles three times, random hats

[opal surge]

Im almost sure that the hat cant move 3 times

[elder bluff]

the golden effect when the correct hat moves

it is random. but there are always 3 switches before the hat starts the aoe blast

[fiery wigeon]

Ohhh I see thank you

Well i still cant do it but I understand the mechanic now

Like i get him up but neuvilette is selling

[lyric cargo]

the hat you're supposed to attack has multiple golden effects

when it attacks, the damaging circle is golden

it has a face

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nCjpgncGVMw

maybe the section on the hat helps. it's for stygian, though

you haven't touched stygian?

[fiery wigeon]

No i dont do stygian its cringe

Problem i am having is he requires Electro charge and my only team for that is neuvilette and neuvilette is ehhhhh

I wish we could change teams at floor 12-3 its so obnoxious I have to keep doing the other floors it wastes so much time

[crude dirge]

the fuck u mean neuvilette is ehh🥀

[fiery wigeon]

Well he gets hyped up i see 60k a tick and het the boss hp bar barely moves

Like I needa see it melt thats what I'm used to not this fuck ahh abyss chamber

[fiery wigeon]

Lmao sooo whahaha i figured out whats going on my ping was insanely high

I went on my brothers internet and cleared it with 49 seconds remaining

🗿oh mann my bad

[signal geyser]

How long does it take to get the Benny skin from the event?

Starting from the very beginning

[quaint fern]

why did skirk team feel so ass without shenhe

[quaint fern]

I'd say <2 hrs if you dont care about exploration

actually, I dont remember if you need to unlock the last minigame for it

probably like 30 min if you dont

let me see

[fiery wigeon]

I cant do thia abyss on my alt ugh

[quaint fern]

oh yeah I dont think you just need to unlock all the minigames, probably no more than an hour to unlock the ones you need and do them

[signal geyser]

Ok that's great! Time to speedrun

[signal geyser]

Whoops replied to the wrong message

Thanks for the info :D

[fiery wigeon]

Yeah I'm done this abyss is absolutely garbage

That first phase wastes too much time

[strong robin]

Can someone give me advice? I’m fixing up my clorinde build but idk if mistsplitter or the black sword would be better on her🫩

[quaint fern]

I dont even need to look at numbers to say mist

[tardy trout]

@bright cape How is he now? he good?

[bright cape]

looks good. a bit less cr and a bit more cdmg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/910310147321102346.webp?size=240&animated=true

nice crown though

u can get a few more hp subs instead of em

[tardy trout]

high on gambling, your attack gonna have 50% crit

[tardy trout]

i like this odds

i my self is gambler

[tardy trout]

alright i try see if there is better artifact

[somber trellis]

Hi all. I have come back after a long time but I have so many story quests and also stories for characters and of course main story and I just don't know how to figure out what is the correct path/order to complete these! anyone has suggestions?

[bright cape]

just going a good cdmg circlet, u should see a huge uplift in your damage

[bright cape]

i was thinking if it makes sense to add achievement for clearing dire

[haughty lotus]

Whales don’t need the 5 primos

[bright cape]

it's gonna screw the achievment hunters like me

but yah. even i am not missing a lot

it would just suck like in wuwa

[violet cipher]

Here are the teams/builds I used for Cactus. Do you see anything wrong?

[bright cape]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NBzYQHf7_M

another c0 clear

[late locust]

can i get a recomndation for f12 guys?

[lyric cargo]

was going to say, but with the shilled chars so it takes a dolphin account who goes for most chars

but Mav and Neuv were both meta. it's only a skirk check and probably signature weapons

[lyric cargo]

Neuv Furina Ororon Kazuha
(wait, no Furina?)
Neuv Xilonen Ororon Kazuha

if no Ororon either, put Fischl

[bright cape]

yah. i even shared c0r0 few days ago

i would have tried if i had c0r1.

but with how i am clearing fearless around 120 seconds, i haven't even tried single dire

[lyric cargo]

I don't see Citlali either, hmm
You're going for too many on-fielders without getting their teammates

some Bennett team second half. maybe skirk works as well, though no Furina

[bright cape]

varesa electrocharged 1st half
skirk 2nd half?

they got xingqiu and escoffier. they are fine

i forgot what 2nd half was. i used mavuika overload

[lyric cargo]

you think Varesa EC is good against the mob grinder (12-1-1 and 12-2-1)?

I guess her AoE isn't terrible and they spawn grouped

[bright cape]

i dunno how wide her plunge is

[lyric cargo]

though the ruin sentinels spread out, I was glad I brought Neuv there

[bright cape]

oh yah. neuvi clears easily too

i also used him with fischl

[lyric cargo]

I'd be shocked if they couldn't clear abyss, but kind of a bricked account / meta skip challenge?

Xiao wants Furina (oh, no Xianyun either so nvm)
Skirk wants Furina
Varesa is fine, she has overload (though no Mavuika)
Neuv wants Furina
Arle: no Yelan, no Citlali. but there's overload

[bright cape]

it depends on artifact quality too

yah. but very dps heavy lineup

[errant socket]

HI can anyone tell me if my team comps are good and help with more of them?

[lyric cargo]

sure, got a screenshot of your char pool?

[lyric cargo]

this might help, though I haven't watched it yet
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oCjrcKRKKW0

[errant socket]

you want me to send it here or in pv?

[viral mulch]

this abyss tips and tricks

beat em upppp

[lyric cargo]

screenshot here would be good. others can chime in as well

[lyric cargo]

I forgot about the overseer device. you'll want a way to climb its pillars second half, so xilo or varesa maybe @late locust

[elder bluff]

it is the config device

[lyric cargo]

yeah

SSA: pillar maker
is what I like to call it

zhongli works there as well

I'd just bring Neuv first half and Varesa overload second

[lyric cargo]

oops, I actually put the wrong name rather than just saying SSA

[cedar flint]

if you haven’t done it yet that’s what I did

[bright cape]

u can brute force the cactus without electro?

[quaint fern]

anyone can climb it with enough resets unless you're a tall female character

[lusty tulip]

Is LDShop legit?

[strange scarab]

its not an official partner of hoyo if you dont wanna take risks

[lusty tulip]

Has anyone been banned from using it?

[strange scarab]

Dont know, dont care
this is an official genshin server so we're supposed to be against it

[cedar flint]

You can wait for him to leave hat mode and just kill him with any team that shreds elemental resistance

[lyric cargo]

yeah, but imo that's not convenient if you have natlan chars available?

[lyric cargo]

in stygian, two kinds of teams beat the cactus:

• h/e dps can break the hat with damage, and when the hat is broken the cactus will lose that much hp
• other dps can work after you break the hat with electro-charged. especially ones that synergize with hydro and electro units (hyperbloom / overvape)

sounds like you can just wait out the hat phase in abyss. you'd get oneshot in stygian at the end, if you didn't break it

[bright cape]

what's h/e?

[lyric cargo]

hydro / electro

[bright cape]

oh

[lyric cargo]

downside for abyss is there are AoE chambers before it

so if your team for the cactus is very single target, like hyperbloom
you might need to enter a second time to 3-star the other chambers

[elder bluff]

why is it downside when EC/LC is also good for multiple enemies

[lyric cargo]

it's a downside for some teams, not all

like the hyperbloom example here

other dps can work after you break the hat with electro-charged. especially ones that synergize with hydro and electro units (hyperbloom / overvape)

[waxen dust]

Hey, last month around the time they were going to shut down accounts for age verification stuff, i logged back in and got the first day of the returning rewards thing. I was still busy irl so i didnt play after that. I logged back in today and see that there are no returning rewards. Do they expire?? Like do I have to play for an entire week after its triggered and if i dont i dont get the rewards thing??

[elder bluff]

yes, you have to play or you missed them

[errant socket]

here are my characters and teams. if anyone got any suggestions I'd love to hear it

[elder bluff]

are you allergic of natlan and most of fontaine

[errant socket]

Well I kinda stopped playing

[lyric cargo]

ideally I'd aim to get / build:

Kinich: codex
Bennett: noblesse
pyro: deepwood
Iansan: scroll

Neuvilette: Marechaussee
Furina: Golden Troupe
Xilonen: scroll
Kazuha: VV

Furina and Xilonen are good generalist supports to pick up
you'll get Iansan eventually (she's a 4-star)

for [pyro], the best option would be Mavuika.
Or just any pyro off-fielder with 4pc deepwood is okay, too.
Maybe some future pyro off-fielders would slot in there as well (that's a potential option for the team to scale, going into the future)

[elder bluff]

they don't have neither furina nor xilonen

[lyric cargo]

yeah:

Furina and Xilonen are good generalist supports to pick up

ideally I'd aim to get / build

[elder bluff]

pulling kinich without mavuika/iansan/emilie is a really weird choice

[lyric cargo]

they have c1 Kinich
I'm giving the best teams they could go for around the dpses they have

[errant socket]

I wanted to get furina bc shes an amazing hydro applier but well I got dehia

[errant socket]

Okay I know I have a type

[elder bluff]

and this abyss doesn't support kinich at all

[lyric cargo]

agreed, second half has high dendro res and first half has cactus

[lyric cargo]

^ I don't think they were asking about abyss, but maybe I'm wrong

[errant socket]

Yup I just want to know if there are any good teams I can make and anything about the teams I got

[elder bluff]

hyperbloom and nilou without nahida...

yeah, pulling lauma should be a prioritize

but given your type you'd pull flins without ineffa then continue to brick him

[errant socket]

I will and you can do nothing about it

[errant socket]

but going back, What do you think about the teams

[bright cape]

@lyric cargo i got 1% too.

lost all hope of getting citlali now

[lyric cargo]

that's rounded, you can go to the settings and enable more digits

[bright cape]

it's fine.

[lyric cargo]

you might be between 0% and 1% even

though 4156 is maybe just around 1%

more crit rate would be nice if possible (closer to 100% after codex), not sure what other sets you'd be farming if not codex for the rest of Natlan

[bright cape]

i have these. should i use them?

[bright cape]

i might get her weapon someday

[lyric cargo]

that last circlet is absurdly good, isn't that 7 useful rolls?

you can probably adjust your crit ratio with a different off-piece then

[bright cape]

yah. but it has ER.

could have rolled a bit more crit

[lyric cargo]

hmm, your equipped flower and plume are good though. the circlet looks like the best off-piece candidate in terms of roll value

[bright cape]

actually i don't have good atk sands

only good one is gladiators

[lyric cargo]

I'd ignore the not useful stats, just count the useful ones
4x atk% and 3x crit rate is great

[lyric cargo]

what's that one like?

[bright cape]

lemme adjust that way

[lyric cargo]

hmm, could use it
I was hoping for a lot of crit rate

[bright cape]

I got this one too. but. i don't have citlali

i wish there was good artifact scanner for mobile

it's so manual

[lyric cargo]

hmm, that'd improve your build a lot
maybe melt or vape is your best Mavuika team, even without Citlali

(plenty of stygian matchups have asked for no reaction Mavuika, so I still find myself using overload often as well)

[lyric cargo]

for Vape, I'm not sure what your options are. Got Yelan?

[bright cape]

even better. i have furina with key

[lyric cargo]

ah, that'd work but takes a premium support from another team?

[bright cape]

how will yelan work?
donuts don't proc her attacks

[lyric cargo]

Xingqiu's burst cooldown is a bit long

[lyric cargo]

the combo you do is C2 d
dash cancel after the second bike hit

every time you start a new charge attack, rainswords will hit

[bright cape]

oh i see

i see everyone doing charge dash tech now

[lyric cargo]

one hilarious option for turtle in stygian is to use Xingqiu on sac sword to lower his skill cooldown
the sword orbitals apply hydro on contact without increasing the turtle's meter

[lyric cargo]

yeah, C2 d is relatively tame and easy to execute

C1 d N1 is the hard one, I should learn that

[bright cape]

yah. i think i saw burst skirk clear with that n chongyun cooldown

[lyric cargo]

I wonder how those combos compare against Liam / Rocky (fontaine local legends)
they're important fights in co-op elite runs
Mav's dashes can knock them over and often prevent them from attacking

[lyric cargo]

hmm, wouldn't freeze just delaying the shield work fine
I guess it's a challenge run?

[bright cape]

i think it was if u didn't have furina. case

and escoffier too

i didn't have skirk's set to test that.

melt team is only 2%.

[lyric cargo]

what if you use the codex circlet?

you could use a different off-piece

oh wow, that flower

the sands is a reroll angle. can get 8 useful substats

[elder bluff]

I only has 2-line artifacts

[lyric cargo]

2-line?

[bright cape]

oh didn't notice that. i just swapped one with a bit more EM.

the web on 1st one looked weird

[elder bluff]

the one with CR, CD and 2 useless lines

[lyric cargo]

sorry, still confused.

flower: cr, cd, em, atk%
plume: cr, cd, atk%
sands: cr, cd, atk%
goblet: cr, cd, atk%

circlet is getting replaced

you mean the potential swap circlet, right? this one?

[bright cape]

my build would be so much easier if i had mavuika's weapon

this one was painful.

[elder bluff]

I mean my build not his build

[lyric cargo]

oh

my brain inserted a "t" there

It only has 2-line artifacts

[bright cape]

i have so many double crits. i dunno what to do with these.

i farmed obsidian like 70% of natlan

n have only one character that can use this

[lyric cargo]

still very good artifacts even for that

it's going to be a better Mavuika build than mine I think

[bright cape]

nah. i don't have sands

i even crafted with elixir. n it was very bad

i gambled a lot of pulls on her weapon banner before.

now i don't have citlali

it was such a bad banner

a lesson learned.

[elder bluff]

I have xilonen and citlali and they are usable

[bright cape]

i will get citlali next time she reruns.

[bright cape]

isn't ttds better?

u know weird thing. i even prefarmed for citlali 🤣

[elder bluff]

I can use ttds or sac frag both, it is just a matter of preference

[lyric cargo]

@bright cape

my flower: 640%
your flower: 780%

my plume: off-piece
your plume: 630%

my sands: 630%
your sands: 8 useful subs pending reroll

my goblet: 540%
your goblet: 540% (3 useful subs, so could reroll. but the high amount of CR rolls is balancing your crit ratio, so I wouldn't)

my circlet: 700%
your circlet:
19.2 atk% + 9.3 CR
= 19.2 / 5.83 + 9.3 / 3.89 roll value
= 570%

and that's without using an off-piece on your build

so there's an unknown further improvement depending on what your best piece to replace will be

[bright cape]

it's fine. i am never building her melt again.
did u reroll that circlet 3 times?

[lyric cargo]

my only on-set piece that is better than yours is the circlet

[lyric cargo]

yeah

[bright cape]

that's bonkers

[lyric cargo]

imo that's the best use of rerolls. a 9-liner with 3 useful subs, rerolling until it doesn't hit the final stat

[bright cape]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/910310147321102346.webp?size=240&animated=true

[lyric cargo]

it's a 23% chance to avoid the final stat completely

so I'd expect it to take a couple rerolls

your sands would be the same

[hazy lotus]

how tf is your plume like 46 cv with only 4 crit upgrades that has to be the highest rolls i’ve seen wtf

[lyric cargo]

at least it's a weapon that would be useful if you got it
these are my regret pulls:

[bright cape]

i dunno who i would use lumidouce on.

anyways 4 stars were shit. i should have saved

i was expecting citlali to be in 2nd half

[lyric cargo]

yeah, it rolled extremely well
at first I was like "why couldn't this be a codex piece"
but that much CR on codex would actually be hard to fit and not overcap

[lyric cargo]

oh, I thought you pulled on her first weapon banner

not that Citlali's weapon is that much better, but at least there's fav lance on it

[lyric cargo]

I pulled Kagura's Verity for Nahida before understanding that chars with low team dps share aren't worth pulling damage weapons for

pulled SoSS for Xiangling only knowing that it's best and not by how much
iirc it can be as little as 1.5% better than "the catch" in overvape

key was for Furina and has some potential in reaction teams
but I mostly play her with Neuv, and for stygian she's on fav

[hazy lotus]

5 max rolls and one almost max roll lmfao that is actually insane what are those odds

[lyric cargo]

(1/4)^5 * (2/4)
1 / 2096

ignoring it had to also roll into the right stats

[lyric cargo]

before it became Mavuika off-piece, its role was to make sure my Xilonen generates fav particles

[hazy lotus]

Lmao dawg that domain was treating you well on both sets

not me i gave up and went back to emblem my mavuika gets nothing

[lyric cargo]

emblem + shime? 🙉

[thorn bay]

(Think chevy as Bennett) Will this work??

[hazy lotus]

yeah… shime fell off but i’m still trying to improve my yelan

[lyric cargo]

I'd strongbox if I don't need both sets

[hazy lotus]

i have a 4 liner goblet with double crit er i’ve been rerolling

[hazy lotus]

strongboxing whimsy unfortunately

[lyric cargo]

Furina teams really want a healer

[bright cape]

i rerolled @lyric cargo

i am surprised how low it had rolled previously

[thorn bay]

Yes ik but my doodoo brain feels like gaming can heal the whole team decent enough with furinas passive

I don’t know

[lyric cargo]

no prospect of being done with one, so you can move to the next set in a reasonable time?
I'm strongboxing tenacity right now, maybe petra or back to noblesse if I finish early
if Codex is added to strongbox, I might do that

[lyric cargo]

yikes, I'm afraid there's been a misunderstanding

[bright cape]

i know u wanted me to reroll em one

but i don't have citlali now. so i didn't feel the need

[lyric cargo]

this was referring to the EM sands with 3 useful substats and 9 total stats

[lyric cargo]

your vape build is still a lot better?

I wouldn't recommend rerolling pieces with 2 useful subs, it's just too unlikely they'll roll perfectly

(2/4)^5 = 1/32 chance to avoid the two bad stats

[bright cape]

i completely forgot u saying vape works with xingqiu.

it's fine. i will do it next time.

anyways. i got yellow crit value now.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/915180263003267094/1294733495343517826/928515871553495091.gif

it had only hit orange until today

[thorn bay]

Forgot I had kuki

[lyric cargo]

kinda, his burst cooldown is long
just with orbitals from skill it's still probably your best team when enemies allow playing vape against them

[bright cape]

i like how braindead overloaded is though

[lyric cargo]

then there's Furina, when she's available
and potentially getting Citlali or other cryo or hydro chars in the future. you got Escoffier?

[bright cape]

nope.

yah. i am a bit starved in that aspect.

[lyric cargo]

I'm frantically looking where my damage went, whenever I play overload Mav

[bright cape]

i mean she does 100k donuts on average. that's a lot more than my 2nd top team

[lyric cargo]

no Xianyun or jean, right?
(vv swirl value is questionable, since not swirling pyro, but still something)

not that I'd recommend getting Xianyun today

[thorn bay]

I did try at varesa release

[bright cape]

we just have to wait for lunar overloaded. trust 😔

[thorn bay]

What about amc

I believe c6 gives them 20% res shred

[lyric cargo]

just speaking from my own account (c1 Xianyun, no sig)
Ga Ming has never been useful in relevant content aside from theater
so it's hard for me to recommend getting more supports for him

[thorn bay]

I mean xianyun would be fun

[lyric cargo]

I was mainly looking for healers with damage contribution and team healing
but I suppose Kuki works, her burst should be good against the hat phase

[lyric cargo]

what she did do for me was save my enjoyment of overworld until Natlan

now I'd rather use chars like Mavuika, Ifa, Chasca, Varesa, Citlali, Sayu

[thorn bay]

Why do ppl don’t use them

[thorn bay]

Oh does sayu work??

[lyric cargo]

was speaking for overworld travel speed

[lyric cargo]

but yeah, Sayu might work against Cactus

if you have her leveled already

[thorn bay]

I mean I can get her material and try

I got fischls mat done

[lyric cargo]

actually, rolling around the hat might be hard since it jumps and interrupts

[lyric cargo]

if you want, I can try with my own low investment Sayu and Ga Ming, see if it's possible

before you level her

[thorn bay]

It doesn’t fase through??

[thorn bay]

Ok you’re really nice

[lyric cargo]

I gotta finish my khemenu temple first, start the timer for investigation spots to respawn

[lyric cargo]

it's mostly because Kazuha exists

[crude dirge]

does bennet c4 active yelan or xingqiu

it doesnt 🥀

[lyric cargo]

wait, you have Escoffier. much better healer to put with Furina

also, this:
turns out you might bot have to bother with elecro-charged at all if your other side is fast enough

[thorn bay]

Sac one character??

[thorn bay]

Also won’t that freeze and gaming plunge not melt but shater??

Or ppl lied to me

[lyric cargo]

I'd try:
Ga Ming, Bennett, Iansan, Citlali
Chasca, Furina, Escoffier, [pyro unit]

[thorn bay]

Ok

[tall python]

For whom is the flame forged insight good?

[lyric cargo]

you can also put Iansan on the second team over the pyro unit.

the reactions get worse, but the atk buff is good

Not sure who you'd use with Ga Ming then, maybe Sucrose (uptime will be low, but EM buff and res shred are both good)

[thorn bay]

Kaveh that’s all for now

[tall python]

Ic

[lyric cargo]

I had to google it, the new claymore? I don't think it has existing users
Kaveh isn't good even with it I'd wager
c6 Dori can use it? meh.
I'd rather play Ga Ming overvape (which is not really an archetype, but he likes both EM and energy)

[tall python]

Welp alreast its a free lim weap thanks thought hopefully someone gets to used it

[lyric cargo]

thanks for reminding me, though. it seems unique enough to level, and there's 1.5x exp while the event lasts

[crude dirge]

sayu

[lyric cargo]

yeah, but is her damage contribution to the team going to be relevant?
if it isn't, the energy refund isn't helping since there's no cost to building high ER on her?

she's probably best on fav I would guess

[lyric cargo]

it might be decent on:
Ga Ming, Furina, Iansan, Bennett
the effect works off-field, so going Furina → Iansan will refund Ga Ming energy and buff his EM for 15s

thing is that Ga Ming hits slowly enough that there's no downside to playing forward melt
which also allows the team to have res shred from Citlali and a ttds buff to Ga Ming

so you'd only use this when there's a reason to prefer vape over melt
maybe the Cactus, but Iansan won't be enough electro-charged to matter for breaking the hat

[tall python]

Though i dont have any idea what this has to do with ga ming thanks for the insight but i think ill just use my furina's sig weap

[lyric cargo]

I just tried that, it still does the oneshot

so I guess you'd have to i-frame it? or sac a char

[lyric cargo]

the weapon gives stats Ga Ming wants,
and while he has no synergy with electro-charged
he does have synergy with Iansan and Furina who would enable the weapon for him

thing is, he has better teams in melt

[tall python]

Umm i think another player would find this helpful @thorn bay

Well still thanks for this ill try to keep tis in mind if i dver try ga ming out

[thorn bay]

My gaming has a lot of em but no atk so I would rather go for tidal shadow

[lyric cargo]

how's his ER?
it's often a problem in Ga Ming teams

but I'd prefer playing melt. maybe in theater it's an option

[thorn bay]

120

He actually burst completely fine

[lyric cargo]

that does not sound like it would be enough

maybe with fav weapons

afaik he can need like 140%

[thorn bay]

I use escoffier for cryo since Citlali isn’t consistent

Escoffier holds fav

[lyric cargo]

Citlali should be enough, Ga Ming hits very slowly?

Esco and Citlali have the same application frequency

[thorn bay]

No like I can’t sustain her skill

Her skill storm runs out mid burst

[lyric cargo]

maybe you're not triggering her nightsoul state? she only has that application if she can use skill + burst
or skill + skill, with sac

[thorn bay]

I do skill ult skill

[lyric cargo]

you're using her directly before Ga Ming?

[thorn bay]

I have sac

[thorn bay]

Ye

[lyric cargo]

took me a while to find this again:

nightsoul points in a rotation:
skill → 24
burst (single target) → 27
A1 x2 = 32
A4 x2 = 8
⸺
91

Frostfall Storm consumes 8 points / sec
91 / 8 = ~11 seconds of off-field cryo app
11 damage instances, 6 cryo applications

A1 is 16 NS points restored when frozen or melt is triggered, 8s cooldown
A4 is 4 NS restored when nightsoul burst is triggered
this one would depend on Xilonen

[lyric cargo]

@thorn bay maybe try her with Ga Ming again and see if you get those 6 cryo applications / 11 seconds

[cedar flint]

you just click sprint when he exits hat mode it’s very easy

well I guess dash is the correct word

[tall python]

What is a good bhild for citlali? Im use her for mavuika xiloneen and bennet

[crude dirge]

tenacity or instructor

[rugged sparrow]

Cinder

[crude dirge]

what about xilonen then

[rugged sparrow]

Petra/Ins

unless you want to run 200+ ER Cit with TTDS then up to you

[tall python]

Wht weapon for her?

[elder bluff]

fav

[lyric cargo]

ah. I guess I'd rather rely on a burst i-feames if it's not like the papilla oneshot (that applies a lingering damage effect when it hits you in burst)

[cedar flint]

his attack is so fast that just a dash when he comes out of the hat is enough on my first try I didn’t even know he did it and I dodged it accidentally

[lyric cargo]

you'd have to get the timing right, though? seems like a burst would be more forgiving?

[cedar flint]

the problem is the timing is so easy you don’t even have to try really after I realized he does the attack I never got hit by it again and let me tell you I’m not exactly a good player so it should be easy for everyone

[grim sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/focalors-hydro-archon-god-focalor-furina-gif-1127504485316721071

https://tenor.com/view/mavuika-genshin-genshin-impact-natlan-pyro-archon-gif-9491160096467531599

[tropic thistle]

Is the summer event story permanent and the rewards and event gameplay are limited ?!?!?!?

[valid anchor]

The quest becomes a world quest.
The area is permanent addition
Event related (which gives Bennett skin and weapon) will finish in some hours. You won't be able to get the weapon once event ends. For Bennett skin, you may be able to purchase from next version onwards. It'll cost

[crude dirge]

where can i find weapon option tabs for characters

with %

[late locust]

what is the rotation for arleccino with citlali team?

[crude dirge]

whats the full team

[late locust]

uh does arle citlali xilonen and bennet work? is that like the best team for arle?

[crude dirge]

arle E xilonen E bennet E Q citlali E Q arle CA spam[3 NA dash]

[late locust]

ok tysm

[lyric cargo]

unfortunately the main source for build rankings doesn't publish the numbers
https://tinyurl.com/GenshinBuilds

I watch videos from content creators and take screenshots of the weapon rankings / etc

like https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CcOiG-rbEpY

[lyric cargo]

their reasoning, last I heard, is that the numbers are too team dependent

however, I always look for numbers since the SoSS incident
(I pulled staff of scarlet sands for xiangling when I was new, only knowing it was the top ranked weapon but not knowing it's still very close to "the catch")

rankings without numbers can make a 30% gap look the same as a 0.5% gap

in some rare cases, I believe the calc sheet is linked in the genshinbuilds master sheet

like on Mavuika

[bright cape]

does yshelper usage rate mean % of players who have them used them?

[opal surge]

dont use yshelper that app is dogshit

but usage rate is % of players owning the character using it

[bright cape]

i don't think i can even use that.

isn't it CN only?

[bright cape]

yah. i was thinking if hoyo releases a very bad character and all loyal fans use him, usage can be 100%

the data is not very useful

[opal surge]

Nah its not cn only

[bright cape]

oh ok

i could boost charlotte usage rate

chongyun too

[jovial prawn]

Btw I was off for few days in game and stuff.. i came back then gone then again played etc... and i realised I don't have any 5* natlan characters.... The one that has something called nightsoul or something. I have enough pulls to get Citlali. But I was saving them for future trailer characters of nodkrai I had 2-3 of them in mind already and absolutely don't want to miss them. I won't be inactive for a long while now. But I am a bit confused. At first I thought I can have Citlali and then mauvika but my chances of pulling the ones I want in future would reduce and either way future ones would be more prominent right. Can someone suggest me what to do...

[fading ledge]

who down to help me farm the boss for neuvill asia uid 880079762

[fervent tapir]

Which four star team is best for varesa?

[haughty lotus]

Iansan chevreuse pmc/xiangling

[fervent tapir]

Ight ty

[crude dirge]

pretty sure they will just powercreep natlan with nod krai

just wait for characters to get announced and showcased

[quaint fern]

Kind of like how the reported chiori c6 rate is high

[bright cape]

yah. they should give the total numbers too

only % can be misleading

[crude dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/creature-entity-cute-silly-cat-petting-silly-creature-petting-sily-creature-gif-12583798057344398771

[quaint fern]

Stream should be in two weeks?

Oh actually

We might get smth at gamescon

They always drop smth for that iirc

[crude dirge]

building pity for new region on likely support for them

[lyric cargo]

I assume you're using these teams so far?
Hutao Furina Yelan Jean
Alhaitham Nahida Xingqiu Kuki

for a third team, I assume it would be something with Bennett.
Mavuika Citlali would've been a good choice. Chasca is possible as well, if you prefer someone who's on banner sooner rather than later.

[bright cape]

have u wiped the map clean for a character?

[crude dirge]

i want albedo rerun

[quaint fern]

Are they trying to clear stygian?

[crude dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/vro-pmo-ngl-gif-10268498521266426722

[lyric cargo]

for the Hutao team, Xilonen would be a good pickup

you can also consider Escoffier, either with your Ayaka or for other teams

[lyric cargo]

I assume just general account strength, though having 3 teams is part of that goal now in my opinion

[crude dirge]

he has c6 noelle

i want it😭

from all these years i think mine is only c1 or c2

[lyric cargo]

Furina and Yelan would like to be lvl90

Kuki wants 90 if used in hyperbloom

I'd level Bennett, Xingqiu, Fischl, Ororon

[lyric cargo]

since Stygian came out, I'm entirely off the 4★ train

[crude dirge]

i cant even clear with newer five stars so idc

[bright cape]

sadly for dps. yep

i see 4 star clears of fearless. but they are so out of my skill reach

[crude dirge]

reroll for every hit to proc fav and crit

[lyric cargo]

fav on chars that don't need other stats besides crit is pretty manageable

I find it somewhat difficult to get high crit rate on someone like Iansan, though
actively sacrificing ER to run this goblet

[lyric cargo]

it's a game of catch up imo.
People already able to clear just need to tread water. You need to swim against the stream, still improving your old teams while new chars come out?

[bright cape]

what is her atk breakpoint?

[lyric cargo]

but you're also invested in teams that I don't think will be useful for stygian, so probably just not catching up at all

[lyric cargo]

her atk conversion rate is 27%
lvl10 max atk bonus is 690
lvl13 max atk bonus is 810

690 / 0.27 = 2556
810 / 0.27 = 3000

[bright cape]

i see. does pyro resonance help?

[lyric cargo]

yeah

[bright cape]

although i don't think that's obtainable on team with her

[lyric cargo]

buffs like noblesse as well

[lyric cargo]

Mavuika Iansan Bennett Citlali

chevreuse overload teams
etc

[lyric cargo]

I'm mostly trying to build a generalist Iansan, though
for theater as well

[bright cape]

mavuika chev bennett iansan don't make good team

may be in that team we go mavuika chev ororon iansan?

i dunno how much better it would be

[lyric cargo]

yeah, with a pyro on-fielder you need someone to apply electro from off-field

what definitely works is
Varesa, Iansan, Chevreuse, Mavuika

[bright cape]

is iansan alone enough to fill up mavuika burst?

say on mavuika chev fischl iansan

[lyric cargo]

Ororon > Fischl here I think

maybe not, you lose scroll

[bright cape]

i guess iansan doesn't proc scroll buff coz of fischl

similar stuff happened to me with charlotte

[lyric cargo]

oh. I meant only one of them can carry it so the second natlan off-fielder loses value

[opal surge]

bennet prob

over fischl

[bright cape]

i see chainbreaker being recommended for ororon. but i mostly use fav

is it worth going ER sands with chainbreaker?

[lyric cargo]

I'd rather reduce team ER reqs, especially in stygian

[bright cape]

it's weird how much we have to ER max on stygian.

[topaz shore]

can anyone help me with teams for floor 12 abyss?

ive been using eula, ineffa, xingqiu and kokomi for first half but im stuggling with second half

[lyric cargo]

I'd use a Bennett team that doesn't rely on dendro dps

2nd half has enemies with high dendro res

the dino gets weakened by pyro, but Bennett is enough for that

12-3-2 has the SSA: Pillar Maker
ideally you'd bring a char who can climb them easily

maybe this helps:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oCjrcKRKKW0

[topaz shore]

thank you very much

i dont think i have the rbest characters for the second half...

this abyss is mavuika propaganda

[lyric cargo]

I noticed a lot of on-fielders but not that many supports

it's a common pattern, unfortunately

[topaz shore]

oh well

thank you for the advice

[lyric cargo]

any Citlali melt team?

[topaz shore]

yoimiya is my only pyro dps

i could try that i guess

[lyric cargo]

using Citlali in freeze is also possible
but I don't see Escoffier, so that archetype is weaker than it should be

[lyric cargo]

that part's probably clear, but just in case: Citlali can fly up and glide by holding spacebar

that's how she'll help with that enemy

[topaz shore]

yeah

hmm

[rugged sparrow]

how fast are you even clearing 1st half with that Eula team

[lyric cargo]

honestly you can put a ttds holder Citlali with most atk scalers
Ayato maybe? he'd benefit from her 20% hydro res shred

or maybe there's a version of international
Childe, Bennett, Xiangling, Citlali

you won't really see melts, but she does shred 20% pyro and 20% hydro, plus provide ttds buff
not as good as sucrose providing VV on both (if you know how to guoba swirl), plus buffing EM and maybe also ttds
but Citlali probably solves 12-3

[lyric cargo]

good point, first half being able to clear doesn't mean it's not the problem as well

[rugged sparrow]

you'll probably get better results by replacing Eula with Ayato

[topaz shore]

i dont remember exactly because i did it yesterday but it seemed pretty fast

[topaz shore]

i can try that

[opal surge]

yoi is not clearing second half well

[rugged sparrow]

in any case you got plenty of options for bottom half, just include Cit for an easy time like Hidden said
Bennett Xiangling is free

[lyric cargo]

for first half, I'd try:
Sucrose, Ineffa, Xingqiu, Ororon
(Oro on scroll, Sucrose on VV)

[opal surge]

I can tell you that much

i cleared it with yoi and i almost didnt manage

[rugged sparrow]

it's so Yoiover (since 2.0)

[topaz shore]

yeah i thought so sigh 😞

[lyric cargo]

"please consult the graph"

[rugged sparrow]

[remote rain]

can anyone show their good invested f2p ineffa

[nova swift]

@native loom you're up

[hazy lotus]

do i keep this LMAO

[nova swift]

I mean if you really need the ER that badly I guess?

[quaint fern]

Good for yelan xq

Run it through your optimizer?

[hazy lotus]

ye it’s on xq rn but im rerolling it for my yelan i just dunno if itd be worth adjusting my build for it

i’ve rerolled that shit like 5 times

[quaint fern]

Oh c6 is a different story

What matches better? You're going to have to swap smth else out either way bc overcap

I think it's worse tho?

[hazy lotus]

yeah i think so too cause the hp% scaling is just so much stronger

[quaint fern]

Less crit for 3.8 more dmg %?

[broken night]

Can someone explain what will go when the Summer Event finishes? Do the chests from the Event Story line disappear or not? Ive done all parts of the main storyline but not collected the chests from the minigames along the way. Ive also done all the sections of the event page and collected all the primos, mats, weapon and outfit?

[spark loom]

Guys what do you think about my mavuika build

[quaint fern]

We don't know, this is entirely unprecedented but I wouldn't be surprised if they did disappear

[dense laurel]

Sorry if other people have already asked this question but will the EasyBreeze story stay? I've finished the events/minigames for the claymore & bennets skin. I really don't wanna rush the story but enjoy it slowly, so will it be available after tomorrow? thx

[sick quarry]

its good, but could improve

[spark loom]

Like what

[sick quarry]

i dont think so

[sick quarry]

sand and goblet, also that def% is yuckk