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[lyric cargo]

you did 10-pulls?

[bright cape]

yah

[lyric cargo]

don't think I'd ever do 10-pulls on weapon banner

no use for a second copy

[bright cape]

i guess i should have slowed down after reaching 60

[lyric cargo]

I'd have done single pulls from the start

[bright cape]

i am not very lucky

it would have taken forever

[lyric cargo]

only time I do 10-pulls is when I know I want c1 anyway

I think the main upside is it makes it easier to count?

[bright cape]

usually i never count

i just make sure i can guarantee

n i start pulling

[lyric cargo]

I should make sure I know how many fates I had at the start, that'd make counting easy ^^

[strange scarab]

who uses double crit hp circlet?

[bright cape]

don't u use paimon.moe?

[lyric cargo]

nah, I just keep track in a discord message

[bright cape]

shielders mostly

although neuvi can rock it too provided u got enough crit rates

[lyric cargo]

no c1 Neuv for me, instead I got my third loss to Tighnari
gotta save for the Mavuika banner now, I might go deep on that

[strange scarab]

No its awful on him

[bright cape]

ever since i couldn't get xilonen, my desire to get natlan characters has soured.
and yesterday's f*ck up made it even worse.

[lyric cargo]

afaik, Mualani can
EM sands, dmg% goblet, hp% circlet

I think Lemon said she's pretty flexible in using unusual circlets

genshinbuilds says:

Regarding Artifact Mainstats:
Strong Elemental Mastery buffs, or an EM weapon, can devalue EM mainstats. HP circlet is primarily an option for Crit DMG weapons as well.

[lyric cargo]

surely she'll rerun and your luck will turn

[strange scarab]

it has low crit rolls and i dont have any signature weapons

[bright cape]

yah. i hope so. character is guaranteed.
it's only her weapon

[lyric cargo]

without crit weapon I don't think it can be justified
unless it's an hp scaler like various shielders

[bright cape]

wouldn't mind running her as neuvi support with scrolls

[lyric cargo]

my only fear is a "Furina situation"
where the char is wanted by multiple teams

I pulled Xianyun based on working well with Furina
only for Furina to be constantly on neuv's team

[bright cape]

i mean xianyun works without furina too

consolidating vv n healing is huge.no?

[dark wind]

is this Neuvillette good enough?

[bright cape]

way better than what i have

[strange scarab]

yeah, thats a lot of EM though

[dark wind]

i use this

[lyric cargo]

mmh, she can kinda be Jean + ttds
for Raiden aggravate? (Raiden can't make use of the plunge buff since her burst overrides the damage type)
not sure who wants Jean + ttds, that I'm not thinking of

[lyric cargo]

I'd post an enka card, it's easier to give feedback like that

lets us see everything in one screenshot, and we can point out artifacts that could be replaced

[bright cape]

what is a good hp for neuvi to have after hydro resonance?

[lyric cargo]

I think it depends, just use whichever pieces have the most useful substat rolls?

mine has ~40k, but without his sig and with dmg% goblet

[bright cape]

with pamber i used to hit 40k. now with sig
i only hit 37

his damage has increased though

[lyric cargo]

yeah.. that's a lot of crit 😅

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1268014314422534175/1316395693795184730/Untitled.png?ex=675ae486&is=67599306&hm=01ea9630cca6619920b64868abe045bbf6430bec3416c3bac6e9e85e41cf33b5&

mine for compasison

[bright cape]

it's coz of his sig.

between sands and goblet, which should i replace first?

[quaint fern]

Wait nvm maybe that was last banner, for some reason I thought that it was fav GS + codex

[bright cape]

zajef says it's awesome.
jaime says it's not as useful as lance.

it's nice to have fav anyways

i have kept two copies of everything

[quaint fern]

I feel like I never use GS + codex

GS literally only on dehya

Or when I'm doing theatre

[bright cape]

same. i have given one to sayu

charlotte works great with codex

btw how much of meme build is dps barbara?

[rancid cypress]

as meme as dps barbara

[lyric cargo]

yeah, sword and lance are the ones that have multiple users
Bow.. Yelan, Faruzan, Ororon?
Codex.. Xianyun?
Claymore.. Sayu? Not that I use her outside overworld

right, Charlotte exists

[tardy trout]

who is "she" that the thunder bird is talking about?

finally play the quest after putting it off for 4 years

[lavish arch]

hello. how much is a good amount of hp for neuvillette?

[keen willow]

60k

[lyric cargo]

@lavish arch

[lavish arch]

got it! thank you!

[bright cape]

40k

[lavish arch]

thank you!

[supple perch]

do i level clorinde na? or not?

[dusty cape]

she only needs skill and burst

[spice pecan]

is this good for xiangling?

or do I not want EM

[lyric cargo]

it depends, atk% is sometimes the least desirable substat
since she's usually paired with Bennett

what weapon are you using, and what team?

[spice pecan]

im not pairing her with bennet

[lyric cargo]

my guess would be you need ER sands then

[spice pecan]

Teams arent done yet but she will be with Raiden shogun, Raiden has the catch
Xiangling has favonious

[lyric cargo]

then you almost certainly want Bennet

[spice pecan]

my other team is using Arlechino

[lyric cargo]

ah

[spice pecan]

2 bennet problem :D

im not sure if this is corrcect but I also have another problem I want to pull Neuvielet as my third dps I have 106 wishes

[lyric cargo]

you can run something like Raiden, Yelan, Furina, Xilonen

[spice pecan]

I dont have yelan nor furina :/

[lyric cargo]

Neuv and Arlecchino work very well together, they share almost no supports

[lyric cargo]

future pulls, then.
You can use Xq over Yelan
Furina, you almost certainly want (if you're building optimal teams)

[spice pecan]

these are my characters

[spice pecan]

since I enjoy neuvielets gameplay and lore I want o pull him (I have 106 wishes saved up pretty sure I can get 140 by end) with no guarentee. But I also want to make sure I will have enough wishes for furina rerun since im not that into leas and community wills he rerun in the next 2 banners what do you think?

[spice pecan]

I'm trying to build optimal teams so I need guidance to wheter pull neuvielet or not do you think I currently have hsi neccesary supports?

[opal surge]

i think neuvilette is not what he is praised to be by this community without furina fwiw

[spice pecan]

I'd assume he is still a dps with 36* potential even without her right?

[opal surge]

hes still pretty good though

Yeah sure

[spice pecan]

And I defiently plan to get furina as shes my fav character im scared to use my wishes in neuvielet and not have enough wishes for furina rerun

[spice pecan]

is there any date that you would guess she will come in like do you think she will appear in the next few banners?

[lyric cargo]

good news: you'll probably have time to save for Furina after
bad news: there will probably be other chars you want along the way

[lyric cargo]

yeah, he really wants Furina
I find it difficult to use Furina on the other side, when I'm using Neuv

I tried Xiangling teams, they don't feel as great (with c0 Neuv at least)

[spice pecan]

ngl no. THe only thing I feel like I will miss out on is arle cons

[spice pecan]

thats the other thing I was curious I be confused but I heard that in c0 you need to have 4 different elements in your team for a passive right? So to run furina with neuvielet you need to have c1?

[bright cape]

i didn't realize that

what does good arle team contain?

[spice pecan]

Arlechino, Kazuha, bennet, xilonen should be the best from what I researcehd

[bright cape]

oh in that case neuvi and arle share both xilonen n kazuha

[spice pecan]

yeah but usually ppl use xiangling with neuvie and xinqui/yelan with arlechino so usually you give kazuha to one of them and xilonen to the other

[lyric cargo]

you can run vape Arle + Bennett + a shielder

obviously shielders will reduce your team damage, since they don't contribute as much

[bright cape]

unless it's zhongli

[lyric cargo]

yeah, Zhongli gives some res shred but it's still a lower damage option compared to Xilonen / etc

Arle is one of the few dps who doesn't want Furina, so that's nice

the one unit you don't want to take off Arle's team is Bennett, I think

[bright cape]

that's nice

neuvi doesn't want him

[spice pecan]

Yeah I've been told that by every arlechino player when I was researching about arle

[bright cape]

so that means arle is circle impact

[spice pecan]

if I pull for neuvielet, what arle/neuvi teams can I create?

[spice pecan]

xd

[lyric cargo]

most likely, yeah

to avoid circle impact, I guess we have to avoid all atk scalers

I guess ranged or frontloaded ones are ok despite using Bennett

[bright cape]

mavuika is gonna allow us to do that.

[lyric cargo]

we'll see ^^

[bright cape]

we need off-field pyor applier also

imagine if we have someone like kuki

burgeon would be a bit more fun

[lyric cargo]

ranged: like Chasca I guess (though she uses Furina, at least for now)
frontloaded: like Navia

[spice pecan]

does Raiden use furina?

[lyric cargo]

she can, but doesn't have to

[bright cape]

she can

but i have seen more teams with cheveruse instead

[spice pecan]

fuck I feel so contradicted on wheter to pull him or not

[lyric cargo]

I think he's the most consitent and best AoE dps in the game, currently
he's definitely not a bad pull, if your goal is to clear abyss

[spice pecan]

it is, 2 of my worries are being stuck with c0 nevuielet (I heard many ppl complain its annoying and bad to play) And second not have enough wishes for c0 furina

[lyric cargo]

when I'm not sure, I often wait until the end of the banner

the reason to do that now would be that there's a good chance the archon (Mavuika) is coming soon
so by the end of the banner we'll know what comes after (including 4-stars), and if it's worth saving for that instead

the reason to pull now would be getting an upgrade now and start getting him ready before abyss resets on the 16th

[spice pecan]

okay I dont plan to pull for mauvika tho if I were to skip neuvielet I would go and pull arlechino cons

[lyric cargo]

I wouldn't say c0 Neuv is bad, it's more that you don't have Furina yet

[spice pecan]

yeah thats also a goo dpoint but even if I got him I dont think I woul be able to build him in time

I managed to come to floor 12 with only 3 built chars and I dont think I can keep going

[lyric cargo]

personally I have c0 and I don't have his signature, his is my best team

I pulled for c1 and lost the 50/50
so now I'm waiting until the end of the banner
I can already easily clear abyss though, so there's no reason for me to pull early

[spice pecan]

in one of the halfs I literally have arlechino and lvl 20 noelle xd

[spice pecan]

oh I see

thats quite good to hear even if I dont win my 50 50 he is still playable

[lyric cargo]

what I do have is c0 Furina, c0 Xilonen, c0 Kazuha

it was probably my best team before Xilonen came out as well

though it kinda lacked a 4th team member

[spice pecan]

I also have kazuha and xilonen at c0 but xilonen is not built and my kazuha is only 800EM

[neon harness]

What weapon on kaz? Cus 800 is good for er weapon

[lyric cargo]

building Xilonen is quite easy, she just needs her skill talent leveled

and 4pc scroll of the hero

for stats, what matters most is crit rate (assuming she's holding fav sword)

[trail nymph]

I’ve just logged back into my original account for the first time in ages and want to keep going with it. Forget the levels, what are the best 2/3 teams I can make with these

[narrow folio]

Nah you need 4k defense or else she's useless

[neon harness]

Raiden yelan xiangling Benny
Hutao xingwiu kazuha amber/thoma

[rancid cypress]

just like how kazuha must have 1000 em or hes unusable

[neon harness]

[haughty lotus]

Xingqiu*

[neon harness]

Qingxiu

[haughty lotus]

?

[dusty cape]

Singchu

[neon harness]

True

[haughty lotus]

[rancid cypress]

xnq

[celest gate]

Guys is this a good team, just got him gotta level him, is he only useful for skill points with his signature or is he okay without it??

[lyric cargo]

those sure look like interesting genshin characters

[celest gate]

This is XL with a claymore and haircut neuvillete with a dif fit plus bleached hair Tartaglia and Ayaka with a normal forehead size :p

[sour birch]

progerss

[spark pond]

are these 2 usable or need better?

[bright cape]

slightly more cdmg to balance the crit ratio

more er on yelan

[spark pond]

I don't wanna min max tbh
i wanna farm till they're spiral abyss usable and that's it 🫠

[bright cape]

u can go fav on yelan may be

[void dagger]

any improvements on my current neuv build other than talents?? this is my 2nd day having him so just wondering if this is any good he has 100 cr with full marechausse stacks

[bright cape]

lower cr a bit

u r overcapping

slightly more hp may be

[void dagger]

okay!! thanks :3

[spark pond]

ohkk

[sage sail]

skyward harp is pretty cope tbh. slingshot and recurve bow are better

[wispy wind]

does C6 zhongli and homa work at all or no :( i main zhongli and i do want to get him c6 but idk if its worth

[sage sail]

idk if anyone here can help. maybe go to zhongli mains subreddit

most ppl in this channel are focused on the meta

[wispy wind]

ah fair ty ty

[strange scarab]

his cons are not worth it if you want to play him for dps

[strange scarab]

What? no its not

[elder bluff]

zli as a dps is even more cope than eula

[sage sail]

slingshot gives u more crit rate and recurve bow gives hp%

yelan doesn't scale at all with atk so the high base atk of skyward is wasted

[strange scarab]

skyward harp has more CV

[sage sail]

no, it just doesn't

slingshot gives around 30 cr

and skyward gives u around 20

[strange scarab]

do you even know what a CV is?

[sage sail]

yes

it's cd + 2xCR

???

it just flat out gives u more CR

skyward doesn't even give u CD what's there to calculate?

[strange scarab]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1063698601949282354/1316596263940259851/15501.png?ex=675b9f52&is=675a4dd2&hm=3b3e295ab2786784423c491dc52a07647951fc22c265011e217dd70db02e1b36&

[sage sail]

that's only if she's on field

[dusty cape]

[sage sail]

oh wait i read it wrong. slingshot still has a better passive imo. i'll test it in optimizer

[strange scarab]

[sage sail]

ill use a yelan hypercarry team and a hu tao team

[wispy wind]

mainly for the 4 years of commitment ive had for building him LMAO hes C5 rn either way im gonna get C6 but im debating activating it or not

[sage sail]

oh shit the slingshot description is misleading. it only increases normal and charge atk dmg. it's not universal

so skyward should be better

[strange scarab]

Well thats what im saying. besides that yelan is lacking er im sure fav is just better than the two

[sour birch]

you're overcapping cr by like 5 and ur hp a lil low but you should be fine, goblet could use an upgrade if u wanna improve

[sour birch]

real if you dont have aqua just put the fav in the bag vro

or elegy

honestly even if you have aqua if you don't have c1 and your ER is ass fav still might serve one better

[sage sail]

well, if ur lacking CR, it's very competitive. only 1.8 cv difference so can be better in some circumstances

plus, it's cheaper to level since it's a 3* and can free up the skyward to be used on other characters for theater for example

[strange scarab]

just use fav

[dusty cape]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/913018237783003136/1230729548211945593/standard-1.gif

[sage sail]

fav can also be used on ur junk characters in theater so it's not a terrible idea to level slingshot

while yelan can be used as a carry

[sour birch]

if you don't have aqua and you're not absurdly overinvested yelan is not a carry

i only speak the truth

and speaking the truth is crazy in a world full of liars or whatever tf kanye said

[sage sail]

i'd say my yelan is pretty decent

this is with fav

[sour birch]

unfortunately this isnt a carry vro

[sage sail]

and no buffs

[sour birch]

you have 155 cd and less than 30k hp unbuffed

[dusty cape]

29k hp

[sour birch]

i admire the effort and your build is certainly very nice

but this is not a main dps

[strange scarab]

spoken like a true hydro main

Oh it makes sense now

Hydro

[sage sail]

what about now. sacrificed some ER

[sour birch]

this does not work as a main dps

this is a secondary at best if you're tryna clear abyss

[dusty cape]

there is no stat changes in this image 😭

[sour birch]

wrong ss vro

[sage sail]

oh wait it didn't copy

[sour birch]

try again

[dusty cape]

💀

[sage sail]

how tf did it fail again

[sour birch]

good question

[sage sail]

ok it won't even save now

[strange scarab]

Cool gif how did you make one like this?

[sour birch]

😭 just use enka vro

[sage sail]

anyway it's 138 ER now and 36.4k hp

i switched to recurve bow

[sour birch]

138 isnt enough without triple hydro or c1

[dusty cape]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/915180263003267094/1308611740535226431/standard_1.gif

[sour birch]

the reality of yelan is she cannot main dps without aqua or cons (and if you have enough cons to make her a dps, you shoulda just gotten aqua)

[sage sail]

yeah i do want aqua but idk if it will compete with future weapons

[sour birch]

they're not gonna drop a weapon that is better for specifically yelan than aqua

at least until mid-snezhnaya

powercreep isn't THAT bad

[sage sail]

obviously im thinking about future characters too since natlan already dropped peak patrol

[sour birch]

a) 88 cd
b) HP%
c) blanket dmg buff

[sage sail]

who knows what the'll put out next

[elder bluff]

Chasca weapon is already better for all charged attackers

[sour birch]

not better for yelan specifically

her CA isnt used and it doesn't give HP%

it's probably nearly as good

[elder bluff]

yep, she is a Burst-NA with HP scale nothing is beating Aqua rn

[sour birch]

that's what im sayin

[sage sail]

doesn't c6 dmg count as CA?

[sour birch]

for specifically yelan

[sour birch]

if you have c6 you can run whatever the fuck you want zawg 😭

[sage sail]

true lol

[elder bluff]

if we have a character than can provide BoL then ... Sigewinne BiS is pretty good on Yelan

[sage sail]

im on 52 pity on weapon banner but idk what i want. i already have ssos for hu tao, key for furina and peak patrol

[sour birch]

still not beating acqua di gio

[strange scarab]

sad that the mechanic only have 3 characters who uses it

[sour birch]

i got fuckgin wgs yesterday

[sage sail]

can't every polearm character use it if they use arle's weapon tho?

[sour birch]

i might have failed my organic chemistry final yesterday and the thing i was more mad about was still getting wgs

i need tome so bad 😭

[median hearth]

u guys got an idea on how to open this?

[sour birch]

better than vv ig

[sour birch]

is this the dragon cavern

[sage sail]

atp just get sacrificial jade, no? or do u overcap on CR?

[median hearth]

all i know is that its in ochkanatlan and its called "wall of seven flames" when i went near the gate

[sour birch]

my neuvillette build is special because i'm special

[neon wave]

enter from other side
pretty sure you can't open that if you already did the quest in the area

[median hearth]

alright thx

[elder bluff]

I can't even check map to see where you are

[sour birch]

i also don't spend money

[sage sail]

triple hp...

ur neuvi build sure is special, alright

[dusty cape]

[elder bluff]

fun fact the top 1 is using this build too

[sour birch]

is there a problem vro

i literally just need tome

[dusty cape]

I got a new circlet the other day so I could offpiece something else

[sour birch]

a useful point of information may be that i also have these

[sage sail]

top 1 for hyper is using 2hp, hydro

[sour birch]

this is old, freedomsworn and xilonen are both maxed now

[dusty cape]

"While HP% | Hydro DMG% | CRIT is very often the best choice of main stats, builds with an HP% Goblet or HP% Circlet are often competitive as the optimal pick leads by only a small margin. Even triple HP% builds can be viable depending on substats.

The gap between HP% and Hydro DMG% Goblets further narrows in Furina teams, but Hydro DMG% is still the optimal pick. The exception is if Neuvillette is holding Tome of the Eternal Flow or Lost Prayer to the Sacred Winds and is paired with other sources of DMG% such as Kazuha or 4pc Archaic Petra. In those scenarios, HP% Goblets just barely outperform Hydro DMG%. HP% Circlets are still worse than CRIT Circlets in all scenarios. "

[sage sail]

how is it that my neuvi's feather is worse than his sands. the sands is TERRIBLE

[sage sail]

this would be very useful information if my hydro goblet wasn't vastly better than any hp goblet i have

i just stole my old yelan goblet that i transmuted for her

now i need another for neuvi ig

then that'll free me up to use my hu tao's old hp sands with 41cv

[lyric cargo]

for some numbers, I saw this calc in a recent video:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gOFpGRmZxL0

my hydro goblet has 8 useful subs, though I'm not sure how many subs difference it would take for an hp% one to beat it

back when I built him, I used Optimizer and determined the hydro one was best

but that was before Natlan, we've gained Xilonen + 40 dmg% scroll since then

(I don't have his sig, using lost prayers)

the video also had this updated weapon calc

since people were asking about Ash-Graven Drinking Horn, these past days

the one thing that's making me hesitate about this is, that refinements aren't listed for p-amber

making it some like the effect of the healing passive on Furina's personal damage (via team hp drain) and on her Fanfare is ignored

[narrow folio]

All these guides when all you do is press E and hold M1

[lyric cargo]

technically you don't have to hold

letting go can result in the CA starting earlier, saving up to ~3s a rotation

not sure if it's required to prevent orbs from disappearing when you do Neuv Q → Xil E N2 → Kazuha E → Neuv CA CA

they do last for 15s allegedly

there's also the bit about his orb absorb range. I was assuming it only depended on where the camera is facing, but there's a second box for Neuv's facing direction

[lyric cargo]

though CAing in a different direction from where you're looking sounds kinda

[spark pond]

[jolly junco]

they're not

skyward harp is just barely better

[spark pond]

I'm using skyward for stat stick lmao

i do have r5 fav and sacrificial in inv

[jolly junco]

skyward is basically a slightly better slingshot

favonius is better for some teams

[lyric cargo]

if they're very similar in crit value, it might also depend on which gives you the better crit ratio?

(also, who else would be using it. can move it around depending on who's getting used of course.)

[crude dirge]

is my heizou cv good? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1063698658358472764/1316737627826946078/character_info_overview.png?ex=675c22fa&is=675ad17a&hm=8d4a8ddb512cfcdde90ed28bc2cf9ad036143ec61ad3632a8f7e8a0880a19071&

or maybe the build itself

[granite yacht]

Will crafting all artifacts be added in future? Rn i cant craft harmonic for arle, cant craft natlan artifacts either

[lyric cargo]

you mean strongbox, right?

by crafting, people usually mean the artifact transmuter

but that can target all sets, afaik

[granite yacht]

Yes

[granite yacht]

No. U don't know very far then

[granite yacht]

I also thought the same till i actually went to craft stuff

[lyric cargo]

the sets you mentioned are in the list for the transmuter

[granite yacht]

I got xilonen artifacts pretty easily. Got arle artifacts easily too but its proving hard to get crit rate circlet

[lyric cargo]

https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Artifact_Strongbox
this lists what's available in strongbox

[granite yacht]

Oh yea. I can use this. Damn!! Didn't think about this

[lyric cargo]

they add sets every X.0

[forest venture]

cmon use ur thingies

[granite yacht]

I totally forgot about that

[lyric cargo]

I'm keeping them until there's actually a set where it seems optimal

[granite yacht]

I will go do it rn and see if i get lucky

[lyric cargo]

right now I'm farming Codex / Scroll, which is quite resin efficient

my strongbox target is Noblesse for more ER on Bennett

ideally I'd use crafting when there's a set for a dps I want to stop farming / strongboxing

where the domain is inefficient, and it's the last piece I need

[lyric cargo]

I'm waiting with building Navia until 6.0, when we get her artifact set added to strongbox n_n

the other set from the domain (song of days past) is so bad

[granite yacht]

Okay!!! Not bad at all

[granite yacht]

When will sets be added. And look at what i just got. Not bad now

[lyric cargo]

7 useful rolls, nice

[granite yacht]

And with that i conclude that my arle's artifacts done

[lyric cargo]

and like I said, every .0 version

[granite yacht]

7 out of?

[lyric cargo]

9

[granite yacht]

Huh?

[lyric cargo]

4.0, 5.0, 6.0, etc

we're currently in 5.2

[granite yacht]

😵😵

[lyric cargo]

if you look at the link I sent, there's a history section that lists all the times sets were added

[granite yacht]

That's alot of time

[lyric cargo]

they should add sets to strongbox the moment they come out, tbh

I don't really see why some chars get disadvantaged
having a signature set that shares the domain with a bad set

I guess the idea is to avoid incentive to stockpile artifacts and strongbox the set on day 1
but there has to be a better solution than waiting a whole major version because the domain is bad

it used to be 2 major versions

[quaint fern]

still is, they just put in mare and GT this time for some reason

but the rest of the fontaine artifacts aren't in there

[lyric cargo]

hmm, yeah

[quaint fern]

do I build kachina or just give up on the rewards here

[bright cape]

coop?

[quaint fern]

you can coop this?

[bright cape]

oh my bad. i thought this was new event

[bright cape]

which fight is this?

[quaint fern]

1st one

you need to trigger some nightsoul thing to get the banishing aura

[bright cape]

then u can just keep her on team

u don't need to level her up

just give her scrolls and she will give u 40% dmg bonus

[quaint fern]

I havent leveled any scroll LOL

[bright cape]

u don't need to

40% is 4-piece set bonus

i don't know what i would have done without neuvillette though

[quaint fern]

can you trigger scroll off field?

[bright cape]

yes

kachina is just like an artifact for now 😭

after i lost xilonen, i started building her.

[junior laurel]

UID: 626803328
Name: Tyga
Reason: pls help bronzelock is being mean :((

[quaint fern]

what does that even mean

[dusty cape]

[junior laurel]

It's like one of those ruin bosses in the new area

And I cant beat it

[lyric cargo]

a local legend

[versed wolf]

If I wanted to make a Mono Geo team, or an all Geo team, who should I use

I wanted it to originally be
Navia, Zhongli, Gorou, and Yun Jin

but im not sure if that works

I just want a reason to build Yun Jin

[keen willow]

Yea the thing about navia is, she needs crystallize

[feral wind]

Hydro Tupa team just fight that with this team lol

[lyric cargo]

Navia is actually the way out of monogeo
it used to be that most geo chars were exclusively good in mono geo

Navia has a passive that gives her atk for each nongeo team member, up to 2
she still likes geo resonance, so her team would be like Navia Bennett Xiangling [Kachina/Xilonen/Chiori/Zhongli]

Navia teams:
Ben, Xl, [geo]
Ben, Furina, [geo]
Furina, Xianyun, [geo]

for mono geo, look to chars like Chiori / Itto
but it's not really a recommended team imo

Itto is not flexible enough as a unit
he has Itto Xilonen Furina Yelan now
but that's still only two teams, and one uses premium supports

[brittle escarp]

Yun Jin works well with Noelle

I mostly use her with Gorou Noelle Furina

If the 4 stars are c6 this works better than most Itto teams

[versed wolf]

I have Furina and Yelan

[versed wolf]

I have every 4 star

[sour birch]

does xilonen buff geo? i was not aware of this

[lofty atlas]

Is Zhongli worth pulling if I wasn't able to get Xilonen?

[sour birch]

well who else do you have

[lofty atlas]

Layla, Diona, Thoma & Kirara

for sheilders

[neon harness]

Skip tbh

[sour birch]

well i meant more who you had that would use zhongli

like if one of ur main dps is xiao then you kinda want zhong

or maybe if you're a neuv c0 user with no xilonen

[hot spoke]

oh my

[lofty atlas]

I've been using Navia, Neuvillette & Wanderer recently

they're all c0

[lyric cargo]

she does, she shreds geo res and gives a 40 dmg% buff via scroll of the hero
first she shreds it intially while her skill is active (but that's only for her very brief uptime and won't last)

then when she fulfills the 2 phec requirement and her samples activate, if she has a non-phec teammate she shreds geo res

[sour birch]

ic

[lyric cargo]

from what I heard, the res shred often doesn't make a difference in clear time
Navia's skill damage goes up, but the number of skills needed per enemy can stay the same

so it's only certain breakpoints where it makes a difference

[noble vale]

Hey I have a doubt about Ayaka and Kazuha, I know I was reading text from yesterday but I need to make sure. For Ayaka if I swap her weapon to finale (got the blueprint) do I go with R1 or R5? Do i have to get blizzard circlet CD% and swap plume or flower to off-piece? And for Kazuha do i do same but VV sands and Goblet then off-piece for plume or flower?

If is the same thing from yesterday then I’ll start that

[quaint fern]

Try to lose about 10 ER on ayaka, make r5 finale (if you don't have enough prototypes it's not the end of the world, r1 works).

For Kazuha go 4 VV whatever piece you use as off piece does not matter

For ayaka just put your artifacts into optimizer and use that

And when you're actually using her, make sure you clear bond of life before you use her burst, otherwise your burst will not get the attack buff

[sage sail]

CODE RED CODE RED

[lyric cargo]

hopefully your Xilonen is built enough to take it out?

[sage sail]

nah i just ran since i was on my artifact run anyway

[lyric cargo]

or you could ignore it
yeah

[lyric cargo]

I recognize the location from my own route

you're using a full dmg team for an investigation route?

[sage sail]

nah just playing neuvi for fun

i usually use arle, yelan, xilonen, kazuha

[lyric cargo]

ah

I bring
c1 Xianyun, Ororon, Xilonen, Sayu

[noble vale]

Ok but I’ve never used optimizer if that is a thing and dk how that works. Tbh the Ayaka team will be my 2nd unit cuz the current team I use is Hu Tao VV Vape

[sage sail]

ororon is an interesting choice. do u just use him for the passive?

[lyric cargo]

hold jump to go higher than other chars and briefly float

outside Natlan it's not that high and it uses stamina
I use it in just a few spots

think of Venti's hold skill, but it comes out very fast

[sage sail]

i prefer kazuha since i can kill some enemies on the way for extra mora

[lyric cargo]

on my B route, I actually have some elites along the way. so I bring Xianyun Xilonen Neuv Furina

[sage sail]

u actually name ur routes? i just call em this route, that route, the other route, etc 💀

[noble vale]

Well is time to go grinding for finale and tbh grinding for midlander sword billets will be so brutal cuz i have to do week bosses and try my luck. Ngl I wish i didn’t wasted those billets for amenoma, should’ve gone for finale during Fontaine patches after I’ve got Ayaka. Wish me luck

[lyric cargo]

A and B, I have a pin I use to remember which I did the last day
so I can alternate between them

[sage sail]

don't they reset at the same time?

also im looking at some sumeru artifact routes but i think they've been removed

ig hoyo just does that sometimes bc i remember the watatsumi island route was also removed

[lyric cargo]

there are two timers

the 100 investigations per day are daily reset based

but each individual spot is either 24h or 12h

[sage sail]

oh

[lyric cargo]

they also added some daily reset based spots with Natlan, so now we have all three 😅

[sage sail]

so they do still exist but i just ran out of daily investigations

i did not know that

ig i'll still mark them\

[lyric cargo]

typically what people do is

collect any 99 spots that are convenient

then go to a single location with as many spots as possible

once you collect the 100th spot, no more will appear. but all the ones in the last location will already have spawned

[lyric cargo]

you can check this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8M_s9IdsVM

I picked my own 99 spots, that I found more convenient

the final location for A and B is the same though

[sage sail]

i want to get the extra artifacts but i also want to preserve my sanity

[lyric cargo]

it actually helps mine, not having to take into account the time I did my route the last day

I guess you could simply learn one route and only do it every other day

[sage sail]

i guess i'll just go on my elite route to get more artifacts

[opal surge]

Artifact routes are mega chill tbh once you learn the route

[rugged sparrow]

ohboi mintpicking talk

[opal surge]

[hot spoke]

[opal surge]

I say this but I do every other day to not have to learn two routes

[exotic ermine]

which one is better

[zenith thicket]

right now its 39 154

[hot spoke]

I'd say stick with current

Unless you like gambling 🗣️🔥

[zenith thicket]

i mean 39 is pretty much gambling

[narrow folio]

Please just use a crit rate circlet

[zenith thicket]

🥰

Theyre all dogshit

[narrow folio]

So is a 39/154 ratio

[zenith thicket]

At least i can burst off cd

[narrow folio]

That... has nothing to do with critting

[zenith thicket]

Yeah but the crit rate circlet wouldnt let me do that 😔

[narrow folio]

If you're struggling with ER on Xingqiu when Fav and Sac exist that might just be a skill issue

[zenith thicket]

Idk man i js do what the optmizer says 😔

I gave it 190 minimum er this is what i got

[elder bluff]

farm more pieces

[quaint fern]

Yeah if 39/154 is what optimizer spit out then you seriously need to farm more

[wicked locust]

Uh.are there only 3 precious and one luxury chest in this wind of the night masters region?

Cause I already opened all of them
And I'm still lacking one last fragment

[quaint fern]

Unlucky, there's an island covered by fog

[wicked locust]

Oh mai god
That counts as the wind night region too?

[quaint fern]

I think that counts? Bc I've gotten pretty much everything in the region and I'm at 94% explorstion

[wicked locust]

I'm gonna fold

[wicked locust]

Is there a quest to clear the fog in that area?

[elder bluff]

I mean, the map shows chests and puzzles there, better go and grab them

[wicked locust]

Please man I'm getting Inazuma flashbacks

[elder bluff]

scare won't get you anything

[wicked locust]

Wait but there's nothing here?

[elder bluff]

can you turn on all chests and puzzles icons?

[wicked locust]

Oh
But the fragments only drop from precious and luxury chests right?

[elder bluff]

yes, and they can come from puzzles...

[wicked locust]

Wait they can come from random puzzles toooo?????!!???

[elder bluff]

why use that horrible map? where is the one you used before

[wicked locust]

Mb
Here

[elder bluff]

now go grab 'em

[quaint fern]

Fragments should only come from exquisite and lux chests tho

@wicked locust did you grab the shrine?

[wicked locust]

Oh yeah I forgot about it

[manic citrus]

whrn will furina come out

[wicked locust]

https://tenor.com/view/nobody-knows-snl-washington's-dream-nate-bargatze-gif-1712690635348172944

[manic citrus]

oh

[rugged sparrow]

Furina came out a year ago in 4.2, you're welcome

[manic citrus]

can anybody help me test my neuvillite damage with build supports

i just got him yesterday

my uid is 652733508

[strange scarab]

#👥gimshim-coop

[wicked locust]

I can feel it
.this is the one

Let's fucking goooooooooooiiooooooooo

Finally
Thanks guys @quaint fern @elder bluff

[quaint fern]

oh it was a challenge one

ye I forgot about that

[wicked locust]

How are we looking

Pretty nice upgrade from this I think

[quaint fern]

fine but that would be much better for chiori

you got two dead rolls there into def%

[wicked locust]

Ya

[wicked locust]

Now my crit ratio is

[manic citrus]

great ratio

[hot spoke]

Not as great as you

[honest heart]

a

[rancid cypress]

thanks

[haughty lotus]

np

[opal surge]

Did you craft a golden troupe goblet for navia with elixirs

[crude dirge]

is it with crit weapon?

[wicked locust]

Nahh

[crude dirge]

then nice

[lyric cargo]

I don't know if all are tagged as chests

mark the Warrior's Challenges, for example. Each gives a precious chest

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1268014314422534175/1313616602205524120/image.png?ex=6758088b&is=6756b70b&hm=415ce94f25630a898b68901031998c520387f4843e3497de523bcfa8b6426287&

[lyric cargo]

there are also tapestries in these three locations, that take you to a puzzle area

3 precious chests, 1 luxurious chest

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1107551927169994764/1316033194306568213/2411201712-4ywihM42.webp?ex=675cdeac&is=675b8d2c&hm=457ee8136eee052798c1dd9b71fd088ce5969a7eed554fdac53acdcc857a67f4&

[sage sail]

i asked hoyo if they allowed macros that just switch ur dpi but only got vague answers

i just wanna spin with neuvillette man

me want funny dragon go weee

i deactivated the macro just in case

[elder bluff]

macro = ban

[silk mango]

What is the best artifact set for zhongli?
I am running him with arlecchino yelan and kazuha

[lyric cargo]

all have some kind of problem I guess

petra: you have to pick up a shard and the buff duration is short

sometimes another char can hold it, what matters is who picks up the shard

[silk mango]

Thank you

[lyric cargo]

scroll, he only gets the 12% buff

it's kinda crazy this is supposed to be equal to petra

https://tinyurl.com/GenshinBuilds

Regarding Artifact sets:
Archaic Petra (4): Can be more useful than Tenacity of the Millelith (4) in teams that dont scale as well with ATK buffs or already have another Tenacity of the Millelith holder. Though it can be an awkward set to utlize well without extending rotation times, since the Holder of the set (Zhongli in this case) has to pickup the shard for the buff to take effect.
Scroll of the Hero of Cinder City (4): Preffered over Archaic Petra if there are multiple Crystallize-compatible Elements or Geo characters that want DMG% bonus.
Tenacity of the Millelith (4): This set is best in slot for Shield HP, but it's usually inconsistent against Bosses and needs good Construct placement, due to it's inconsistency, it's better to use other buffing sets that are mentioned if they work for the team.
Deepwood Memories (4): This set works best in Dendro reaction focused teams (Bloom/Burgeon/Hyperbloom/Spread) that prefer having Deepwood Memories on Zhongli so that they can run more damage focused sets such as Gilded Dreams / Flower of Paradise Lost instead for the highest overall damage gain. That said it means keeping the enemies near your pillar's to have good uptime on the Dendro resistance shred effect, which can be difficult with no grouping abilities in a team.
Instructor (4): This set is usually only used in a few heavily reaction focused teams, such as Ganyu Melt or Hu Tao Vape, where you're maximising your damage in exchange for a weaker shield. Though Zhongli's shield is still usually more than strong enough even with fewer substat rolls to strengthen it.

[silk mango]

If I use Petra and in the team specified lets say yelan pics a pyro crystallize shard
What element dmg bonus would I get?

[lyric cargo]

pyro dmg%, if it's a pyro shard

[silk mango]

Oh ok

[lyric cargo]

then there's tenacity, which is good for the shield strength but that part might not be necessary

[silk mango]

None of these seem to work with the team 💀

[lyric cargo]

its atk% buff is inconsistent since it depends on pillar placement and bosses can break the pillar I think

[silk mango]

Does zhongli need to pick the crystals up for archaic Petra?

[opal surge]

yes

[lyric cargo]

whoever holds the set needs to pick up the shard

[silk mango]

Ig I'll just go for TOTM since Petra doesn't work with that team rotations

[rugged sparrow]

wheres your Bennett anyway

[silk mango]

I use Bennett for abyss and imaginarium theatres

Bennett isn't that useful for exploration and casual play

[rugged sparrow]

and you don't use Zhongli in abyss / imaginarium?

why are you optimizing artifact set for open world

[silk mango]

Yeah 😅
I use arlecchino kazuha yelan and Bennet for one half and alhaitham nahida xingqiu and kuki for other

[rugged sparrow]

ic

[silk mango]

And zhongli doesn't really replace anyone here

[silk mango]

Cuz idk what to spend resin on and I don't want to leave zhongli without artifacts

[lyric cargo]

you pulled him already, I assume?
Or planning to?

[silk mango]

I already pulled

Cuz I like him a lot

[lyric cargo]

gotcha

[silk mango]

Does zhongli work well with neuvi?

[opal surge]

Yeah

[silk mango]

Ok
Thank you

[lyric cargo]

he provides the strongest shield in the game

I think he's a possible teammate you can swap in when enemies are very aggressive, and hard to avoid

my default would be Neuv Furina Xilonen Kazuha though, even when Neuv is c0

Neuv is pretty mobile, it's only against certain enemies that you can't dodge and get interrupted

[neon wave]

He's only second to Xilo anyw, and the shield is handy too

At c0 I wouldn't really trade it for Xilo unless I was really lacking that extra damage

[terse remnant]

Is this hacks or am i just not informed enough about what she can do

Bro ended the fight in 2.5 seconds in the previous domain

[forest venture]

arle is lagging and those statues take more damage when you break down the geo shield + 4pc vv kazuha & pyro dmg bonus

[terse remnant]

No hes ar 50 and hes not lagging

Look at the sidebar

Hes got green bar he aint lagging bro

[terse remnant]

Also that kazuha didnt swirl anything lmao

You cant explain how he instantly broke those shields and did 3/4 damage

[terse remnant]

Ok maybe he did in the first part but that doesnt make a difference

[lyric cargo]

I think he's second to Ororon as well?
(I assume Petra is too much of a hassle, if I pretend petra is equal to 40% scroll then he's good)

[forest venture]

• arle's bar went yellow and red
• plunging attacks are considered blunt damage and can destroy geo shield faster

[neon wave]

O right ororo exists

[terse remnant]

Arle didnt plunge at all, that arle was like 10 meters away from the enemies

[forest venture]

kazuha*

[terse remnant]

At this very moment his bar turned back to green and he still nearly one shotted everyone

Without having a proper build

[forest venture]

packet loss happens

[terse remnant]

Plunge attacks from kazuha dont instantly destroy their shields my guy

And the kazuha didnt do shit

[neon wave]

I'm no expert but it does look sus

[terse remnant]

@forest venture are you trying to defend him? Maybe youre one of them as well

Youre sus ngl

I might report you

[forest venture]

okay where did that come from?

i dont have sufficient info so im making blind guesses

[terse remnant]

The fact that hes doing something thats so obviously not normal and doesnt make sense yet you are trying to defend him makes me think that you might be one of those that uses these cheats

You are sus

[lyric cargo]

I know lag can do strange things
people in co-op triggered things while appearing to me to be in the wrong location for it

I don't know enough about how genshin works and how much the client can decide

[terse remnant]

Nobody was lagging, you can tell by the green bar

And he was moving pretty fine for a "lagging person"

[forest venture]

you don't just simply judge by the bars on the side

[lyric cargo]

normally the server tracks everything important and the client can't "lie" to the server

though they might cut some corners to reduce server load, idk

[crude dirge]

do what my name says

🤑

[forest venture]

or it's simply packet loss, where not all actions you do can be shown to everyone but it takes effect

[lyric cargo]

what I can tell from watching is that Arle "teleports around" (their position suddenly changes at multiple points during the video)

[terse remnant]

Are you guys gonna ignore the fact that the arle somehow teleport like 3 times

And he was moving pretty fine

[lyric cargo]

that might be lack
I don't think the teleporting is useful to them

[terse remnant]

Not like how a normal lagging person would be moving

[terse remnant]

Also, i didnt record it but in the previous run, he literally one shot both buffchurls and all 3 guards in 2 seconds

The moment the thing started

[strange scarab]

[lyric cargo]

it it possible they loaded in before you?

[terse remnant]

Nope the challenge only started when everyone loaded in

Like 1P pressed "start" and within 2 seconds everything was dead

[forest venture]

nop, the challenge can start as long as the host loads the game, regardless if they're first or last

[terse remnant]

I have never experienced such a phenomenon ever, when you load into the domain you have to press the start button to start the challenge

You made that up didnt you?

[wary vessel]

quick question. is this nahida build decent for an all rounder nahida?
i wanted to build her so that she can fit to whatever teams whether she needs to burst or not, or be onfield or not. cuz im lazy on changing artis.

[lyric cargo]

communication problem
it looks like Arle is p1, you're sure they didn't press start until you were there?

[terse remnant]

Positive. I was the first to load in iirc

My connection speed is decent

[forest venture]

you have to be:

• a host
• in a device with insanely fast disk reading and writing speed
• just fast in navigating the game overall

it's never a phenomenon. right before you could spawn in the domain battlefield, i saw someone who managed to load in first, rushed in, and accidentally started the challenge and im stuck outside the battlefield.

[forest venture]

you also need to have a faster loading speed that comes in your device

[terse remnant]

Yeah no that definitely didnt happen. They waited for everyone to load in and get ready before they started

[lyric cargo]

the other question is: Is their dps higher than it's supposed to be
their hits can appear instantaneous to you because of lag
but is their clear speed unusual if you assume they're spread out instead

what we need to know for this is their constellation level

[terse remnant]

From what i see, that arle does 800-1k per hit. Thats equal to an arle with only one artefact and a shit weapon

There is just no logical way he is killing them in such a short timeframe even if he was lagging

2 seconds i repeat

[forest venture]

and there are a lot of factors: maybe they purposefully lock themselves to ar50, farmed artifacts, and just got a great build overall. check the arle's build

[terse remnant]

He put his profile on lock, and also you can kind of tell that he doesnt have a "good build' per say when he does 800 damage per hit without kazuha swirl

[lyric cargo]

it was a lower domain level? (lower than max?)

[forest venture]

highest domain level. im referring to the arle player not doing the ascension quest

[lyric cargo]

oh, that affects the enemies in the domain?
TIL

I thought it only affects overworld

[forest venture]

more like they must have invested more into greater builds and just overall being capped by world level limit. it does not affect the enemies in the domain

ah well build was locked? i guess it's not worth diving further and move on xd

[lyric cargo]

I guess build locked is the default if they didn't change their settings to use enka

[silk stone]

i could really use some help :(
im only ar31 and i had an ar60 something (idk how the level systems work) ex who got into my account and deleted/got rid of my good artifacts, weapons, ate my food and such out of spite. and i could really use some help getting this stuff back because im really upset about this.. does anyone know some fast and easy methods for retrieving weapons and/or artifacts?

[strange scarab]

once weapons and artifacts are gone, those are not recoverable

[silk stone]

I know that, im just asking like is there some easier methods of grinding or primo routes or whatever

So that I can at least try get weapons quicker

[forest venture]

do world quests, archon quests, finish any tree/fountain by finding chests. you can use the interactive map to mark/find any chest.
if you are still willing to recover your account back, your best chance is to keep pulling, farm the weekly domains for weapons, look for co-op matches, etc.
i'm very sorry for hearing your ex erasing all of your game progress.

[silk stone]

thank you so much :) it's fine now i just need to put the work in to get it back. thanks!

[verbal notch]

What do you think of my ganyu? I’m unsure if she needs more cd, I have astral vultures crimson plumage, polar star, skyward harp and amos bow. Is what I’m using the best?

[opal surge]

if im not wrong AVCP is her new BiS @quaint fern correct me if i am

[quaint fern]

Depends

It's better in regular melt for sure

But slightly worse in mono cryo/freeze

[rugged sparrow]

ASTRAL VULTURE'S CRIMSON PLUMAGE 🗣️

[quaint fern]

these are the numbers for the freeze team that I personally play

let me see about melt with burst

https://gcsim.app/sh/CPKFDHqgF6F8
https://gcsim.app/sh/zwQQnCnQqbqq

okay yeah generally better in melt teams but slightly worse in freeze teams

[quaint fern]

for this team her burst is ~1/3 of her dmg

[quaint fern]

also you don't need more cd

you need more CR

[verbal notch]

For the melt team I don’t use shenhe as I stick with double pyro and dendro most of the time! Like I got her doing 300k but that’s with food buffs:/ but I tried to get a better freeze build it was kinda rubbish so I gave up🥲 and I’ve tried 80cr 230cd and she does less dmg so I’m unsure cause with her passive she gets an extra 20% so that would be 100/230 but rn it would be 80/260 but I’ll try it more cr! Maybe I’ll see a difference this time xD

[quaint fern]

https://frzyc.github.io/genshin-optimizer/#/

all else equal, 80/230 is a much better ratio

[quaint fern]

even better, that shenhe team is sort of a worst case for astral. in burnmelt you shouldn't be bursting

so there's no question of whether tfgm is better/worse than astral

astral is better btw, so use that

[bright cape]

do u guys consider abyss card when deciding crit rate?

[quaint fern]

https://tenor.com/view/fuck-it-we-ball-guy-in-suit-black-guy-in-suit-meme-gif-9989487814461476583

[verbal notch]

Hmm fair I’ll try with that weapon then! And I tried there with tfgm 90/230 and the most I hit was 210k so that’s 80k lower than 62/260

[bright cape]

yah. i am deciding that too.
which one would u choose?

[quaint fern]

if you really wanted to, you could swap to the right for abyss and pray for crit card to fix your CR

[opal surge]

left is objectively better

[quaint fern]

can you send the two builds?

[bright cape]

but abyss card makes right better

[rugged sparrow]

so are you banking on the fact u get crit abyss card

[bright cape]

that and .1% overcap doesn't feel right

[opal surge]

would you ever change build because you have a crit card anywhere

[rugged sparrow]

you do you then

[quaint fern]

personally I would just go left and forget about it

(neuvi doesn't really need the crit card to clear tbh)

[bright cape]

ok thanks.

is 34k hp good?

i used to hit 40k easily when i had pamber

[quaint fern]

probably? i don't really know neuvi math tbh

[bright cape]

his damage is based on max hp

[opal surge]

I think mine has 28k

[quaint fern]

if you're running with furina/xilo/kazuha then maybe swap to hp gob?

[bright cape]

i don't have xilo rn. using kachina

[quaint fern]

you still have so much dmg% from scroll/furina/kazuha

tbh it's probably fine if you have no issue clearing

[lyric cargo]

did you calc cr * cd for both?

including 4MH buff

[quaint fern]

if you want to minmax then just shove it into optimizer

[bright cape]

yah.

[bright cape]

it's very tough on mobile to do that

[quaint fern]

ah mobile

erm just dmg test it then

[bright cape]

thanks. sadly i am missing a good hp goblet or sands

[quaint fern]

I dont think you'll struggle to clear with that build, so it's probably fine as it is

[opal surge]

[bright cape]

yah. i am at peace that i have signature for main 2 of my teams

[opal surge]

i think i may have lost his circlet along the way

[quaint fern]

i forgot to buy them

welcome standard 5*

[lyric cargo]

for this month, or the last?

[bright cape]

yah. u just need a cd circlet

or hp

[lyric cargo]

or get a sands and off-piece the circlet

[opal surge]

im unironically playing this build when i play neuvilette

have been for a pretty long time i think

[quaint fern]

i'm gonna jump off a cliff-

[bright cape]

how come. that's ritual of every 1st of month

[quaint fern]

THAT'S C6 😭

[quaint fern]

busy this month, just forgot LOL

i forgot to buy teapot items last week too, so I had a fragile resin expire bc I thought it still had a week on it

[lyric cargo]

it's funny because it sounds like you don't know the 4MH effect
but I assume it's just the best pieces you have?

[bright cape]

i am also very near. may be in a couple of months

[verbal notch]

First one I hit 210k and second 297k

[quaint fern]

why are you on atk sands, go em

and use https://enka.network

actually wait nahida burnmelt? depends on that sands quality

[bright cape]

they need to give us free ganyu
for lantern rite

[verbal notch]

I can’t get a good EM sands🥲been trying for 4 years.. they always roll into ER or DEF..

[opal surge]

Someone stole the circlet temporarily and I hate gearing

[lyric cargo]

my Neuv may or may not have permanently stolen my Yelan's goblet ^^

I'd craft him his own, if MH / GT wasn't such a resin efficient domain to get back to at some point
if I ever don't know what domain to farm

[bright cape]

i have that happen sometimes and it's really weird when abyss clear takes time

effort

[narrow folio]

Farm Nighttime

[opal surge]

I basically never use neuvilette anymore anyways

[lyric cargo]

honestly if I wasn't farming Codex / Scroll I'd probably be in MH / GT right now
every other domain has a bad second set

[verbal notch]

My sands from the first one is ATK%,HP%,CR21.8,EM19 and second is CD18.7%,CR10.1%,HP% and flat def. I have horrible luck getting a better sands as you can tell

[lyric cargo]

with song of days past? 😄
I think I'll wait for strongbox

[bright cape]

he is my comfort. i get to fool around on other half with weird teams
he can clear in under a minute usually

[quaint fern]

can
you
send
the
enka

[opal surge]

Neuvi hogging Furina makes him mostly unplayable for me

[lyric cargo]

thing is he uses Furina so the other half can't have her
I hope teams will become less dependent on her over time..

[bright cape]

i don't like using furina without him

[lyric cargo]

for me it's the other way around, can't play most chars who use Furina or Xilonen

[bright cape]

they are like my bennett n xiangling

[narrow folio]

Do you even have Navia?

[lyric cargo]

yeah

[narrow folio]

[bright cape]

i wish nightime had strongbox

i would pour everything to that

so until then, she is on 2pc 2pc

[lyric cargo]

I'm strongboxing Noblesse, in hopes to get Bennett higher ER

[bright cape]

how higher? i already have 250% on him

it would be nice to lose to skyward blade or aquilla for him

[quaint fern]

i was just doing domains and I was wondering why my ganyu was doing no dmg

I was using my melt build in my freeze team D:

[lyric cargo]

I think I can hit 280% (with sapwood) if I give him my highest ER flower
but his noblesse pieces all have fairly low ER
11 ER flower
12.3 ER plume
12.3 ER goblet
15.5 ER circlet

should be quite possible to improve

[bright cape]

u r hyperoptimizing at that point

[lyric cargo]

I wasn't getting his burst back when I tried him with Navia
so I put him on 2pc scroll 2pc emblem

I think the ER req is like 300%?

[bright cape]

haven't changed his build in a year

[bright cape]

do u run furina bennett?

[rancid cypress]

i have 315 and do want more

[quaint fern]

they're basically the same crit ratio wise

try the left side feather with the right side sands

[lyric cargo]

Ben Xl, 1 skill per rotation, Xl catches the particles

idk if it's possible to do more than 1 skill per rotation without increasing rotation length?

I wasn't running this, a VV user usually has the flower
but this is the best I could do

[quaint fern]

can you add in bennett skill at the end of the rotation?

[lyric cargo]

I feel like 20 ER on flower / plume / goblet should be manageable

[rancid cypress]

c5 in almost 2025

[lyric cargo]

yeah, haven't gotten c6 yet

to be fair, I'm not exactly a day 1 player

[rancid cypress]

oh unobtained

ok good good thought it was the red exclamation mark case

[bright cape]

i got it during neuvi weapon banner

finally c6

[quaint fern]

okay I own ayaka and sometimes I'll actually use bennett ayaka

[bright cape]

isn't he also good for ganyu?

[rancid cypress]

using ayaka at all in this time period

also not like her ca does much anyway tbh

[opal surge]

[rancid cypress]

i want 350 er bennett

[lyric cargo]

and I'm not sure.. it seemed pretty tight when I tried it
but I haven't looked at optimized Navia Ben Xl Kachina rotations

[quaint fern]

c6 doesn't affect ganyu tho

[bright cape]

oh ok

[lyric cargo]

let me borrow it some time

[bright cape]

is this on skyward blade?

[opal surge]

yeah

[rancid cypress]

borrowing bennett

[bright cape]

many say aqua is his best. but i would much prefer losing to skyward

[rancid cypress]

aqua

[lyric cargo]

aquila

[bright cape]

aquila mb

[lyric cargo]

let's just lose to both

[rancid cypress]

skyward >>>>> tbh

[verbal notch]

I’ll tried that there and the most she did was 215k so maybe the 62/262 is the best?

[bright cape]

btw i also lost to zhongli's weapon

[rancid cypress]

oh no

[bright cape]

they need to realease a good character who can use that weapon 😭

atk based shielder

[quaint fern]

in this you're only looking at the crit hits

you need to calculate the average dmg

[lyric cargo]

lost early at least, or went to soft pity for it?

[rancid cypress]

shield strength part doesnt work btw cus its just for wielder

just let the weapon rot its poo

[quaint fern]

you care about average, if all you cared about was max crit dmg, we'd all be running like 20% CR

[bright cape]

infuriating thing is i got two in last 10 pull

[quaint fern]

yao^2 over layla????

[verbal notch]

Every hit she does the dmg I’m tell you, I screen recorded the dmg if you want to see? Do you mean over all dmg? My build was 42cr 302cd but you said I needed more cr

[quaint fern]

i'm talking about average damage

[bright cape]

i like yao. i saw a streamer doing great damage with her

[lyric cargo]

don't think I'd ever be doing 10-pulls on weapon banner
unless I believed it gave an advantage, like higher chance to get a 5-star

but from all I've heard, 10 single pulls are the same except you can choose when to stop

and if 10-pulls were better in that way, I think we'd be talking about it non-stop
since there are websites like paimon.moe collecting stats

[quaint fern]

even with 95 crit rate, I notice when she doesn't crit

[bright cape]

doing single pulls sucks.

the animation is so long

[rancid cypress]

noncrit doesnt mean it doesnt exist

doing 4 dmg 8 out of 10 times is higher total dmg then 5 dmg 6 out of 10 times

[rancid cypress]

just start single pulling when near soft pity ig

[bright cape]

yah. should have done that

i was just so mad i lost to vanquisher

[lyric cargo]

I skip :3
do you pull on PC, or another platform?

[bright cape]

it's on iphone/ipad

after this, i am almost drained.

[lyric cargo]

does that have animation skipping?

[bright cape]

it has

can only guaranteee mavuika now.

[lyric cargo]

I lost my 50/50 trying to pull c1 Neuv
now sitting at 411 pulls saved + guarantee..

I'll probably go deep on Mavuika or Citlali, if one of them has good 4-stars

[quaint fern]

watch citlali be the 4*

[verbal notch]

I have no idea how to get the average dmg even when googling it confused tbh😅 is it on enka? Or do I have to calculate it myself?

[bright cape]

i don't think so. she has a very huge role

all of natlan feels like her story

i mean she stands out more than mavuika to me

[rancid cypress]

for crit only it goes as simple as 1+(cr x cd)
for more detailed ones use optimizer

[lyric cargo]

to be fair, if you go by story role then Ninguang would be a 5-star

[bright cape]

i don't remember liyue part vividly

[quaint fern]

[noncrit](1-crit rate) + [crit hit dmg](crit rate)

convert crit rate to a decimal: 100% = 1.00, 60% CR = .60

[opal surge]

if all of natlan is act 3 sure

[lyric cargo]

she's basically the leader of the human city leadership, with her own floating sky palace

[rancid cypress]

ororon (one of the 6 hero thingies, 4*)

[quaint fern]

kachina ^ same as above

[opal surge]

its literally just crit rate * crit damage dont overcomplicate it

[bright cape]

she is not one of 6 heroes

[opal surge]

you get your crit multi if its higher then you trust that math will not fail you

and you will on average do more damage

[quaint fern]

they're both basically the same

so I would just go with the higher CR one

[rancid cypress]

and a lot more case of "why is this char even a 5*"

[opal surge]

67,6 255,6 vs 62 262

0,676*2,556 = 1,728
0,62*2,62 = 1,624

[bright cape]

how many character do u guys have built?

[opal surge]

first = better its as simple as that

[bright cape]

like they have their own artifacts

[rancid cypress]

dunno havent counted

[quaint fern]

nvm this one is quite a bit better

[bright cape]

i got a bit discouraged on pulling natlan characters.
after weapon loss

they want their own natlan team

[rancid cypress]

tho i have like 62? 63? lv90s

if thats one of the quota or smth

[bright cape]

holy

i don't even have that many characters

theatre must be really easy for u

[rancid cypress]

yea i dont rly have problems with it
since next one is revealed to be pyro cryo geo and a lot of ppl are worried about it i can like popcorn emoji on the back

[bright cape]

it's gonna be nightmare for me.

[quaint fern]

pyro

cryo

[neon wave]

o that's kinda evil

[quaint fern]

geo

[neon wave]

let me check

[quaint fern]

HMMMM I wonder what team that sounds like

[verbal notch]

I’m bad at maths but I got 57,389 I think I did it correctly😅

[rancid cypress]

i think thats like the "worst" element combinations yet lol

they hated cryo for so long

[bright cape]

i might be good if I can borrow a cracked c6 from a friend

[quaint fern]

if you were NA you could borrow my ganyu 😔

[rancid cypress]

wtf c6 ganyu 🐳

[bright cape]

i am NA

[quaint fern]

not yet

let me cope for rerun LOL

[rancid cypress]

oh

that yet going a bit long considering her last rerun date

[quaint fern]

SURELY a year after her skin

[opal surge]

im beyond cooked next theater

[quaint fern]

and during lantern rite

[opal surge]

i have 11 pyro cryo geo characters

[neon wave]

is it 22 minimum

[opal surge]

yes

[neon wave]

I need to build 3

[bright cape]

only dps i got is navia

[neon wave]

Fun

[rancid cypress]

pyro cryo geo

starting cast bennett diluc ganyu navia noelle

special guest ayato fischl xianyun sayu

[neon wave]

"build" is level 70 and scroll

[rancid cypress]

even the guests are not rly good

[opal surge]

I think i might have to keep my ass in normal difficulty

next theater

[quaint fern]

nahida?

[neon wave]

nah fomos gonna get you

[quaint fern]

oh wait wtf is taht guest list

[neon wave]

I tried

[opal surge]

but can fomo get me mora and books

[rancid cypress]

oh yea also ganyu starting cast means cant borrow

[verbal notch]

Is 57k a good average dmg?

[quaint fern]

are you melting???? 😭

[bright cape]

i always save best characters at last
and always am overpowered.
I spend like 90% of times in retrying early level with shit lvl 70 characters

it's quite frustrating

[quaint fern]

[quaint fern]

@bright cape you can borrow my c4 ayaka then LOL

[rancid cypress]

WOW

THIS LEVIATHAN

[bright cape]

[quaint fern]

about that....

[verbal notch]

That’s with the thingy you told me to do😅 I’m horrid at maths so I think I did it correctly but with melt I do over 200k so idkkk what the average is even by following you😀

[rancid cypress]

i have this urge to put my only borrow as shenhe just to like be funny

[bright cape]

do u have friends slot?

[quaint fern]

yeah just dm me or send it here

[opal surge]

bro if i pull mavuika and citlali i would have to build 7 more characters

to even play visionary

[neon wave]

oh

[rancid cypress]

7

[opal surge]

this shits so ass

[neon wave]

I'm going to be broke

[bright cape]

it is ass. but lvl 70ing takes not a lot of time

[neon wave]

It takes a lot of resources if it's multiple chars tbh

First theater was brutal for me

[opal surge]

i have 300 purple books and 2 mil mora

[quaint fern]

one character takes like 3 days to get to lvl 70 alone

[opal surge]

and mav and citlali are going 90 probably

[neon wave]

F

[opal surge]

I was told AR60 makes me not be a broke boy but here I am

[quaint fern]

if you want to try this tool, you can https://frzyc.github.io/genshin-optimizer/#/

[rancid cypress]

conversion rate buff when

[bright cape]

i sent u request on genshin

[quaint fern]

watch hoyo release ar 70 but they haven't been tracking AR EXP in the back

[quaint fern]

accepted

tbh I should clear my friends list

[rancid cypress]

lv100 gonna cost like 300 purple books from lv90 or smth

[quaint fern]

but I'm at 38/100 so I haven't really had a need to

[bright cape]

i dunno if tracking would solve anything.

we would directly jump to lvl 70

[quaint fern]

if they haven't tracked it then everyone at 60 has zero progress

also istg if ganyu doesn't get rerun in 5.3 💀

[opal surge]

good fk these day 1 players this is playtime communism now

[quaint fern]

bro it's gonna take like two years to get from 60 -> 70

[rancid cypress]

i will whale emoji you knowing you just skipped everyone to save

[quaint fern]

lowkey if xilo or chiori reruns before ganyu I'll just pull them instead

c6 ganyu only adds like 10k dps

[rancid cypress]

i kinda want wrio if he ever gets freed

[quaint fern]

it's so not worth it, but it's my expression of love for her

[quaint fern]

6.0

[sour birch]

bros pulling ganyu in 2024

thats brazy

[bright cape]

i mean after a while it really doesn't matter

even as f2p, i was easily clearing everything.

so i started pulling on weapon banner

[quaint fern]

my account is literally vertical investment to the moon

[rancid cypress]

mainly waiting for arle tbh

[sour birch]

my account is cooked

[quaint fern]

tbh I might just refine my amos

[rancid cypress]

why not

[sour birch]

my ability to 36 star depends almost entirely on whether hydro tulpa is in the abyss or not

[bright cape]

i want to pull arle. but i don't like that she needs shielder

[opal surge]

she doesnt

[quaint fern]

I was gonna save it for tighnari but I can just use slingshot on him

[bright cape]

i have awesome weapon for her

[opal surge]

arle sustain issues are largely exaggerated

[sour birch]

evil sensi

[opal surge]

she has sustain even by herself, she just loses dps when she uses it

[bright cape]

i play very clumsily though

[rancid cypress]

tbf it gets a little weird before c2 cus either wait 5s for E to cook again or you just get half the bol

[bright cape]

it won't be difficult for them to design a boss that makes arle very difficult to use

say corrosion f*cker boss or something

[opal surge]

if neuvilette has taught me one thing is that genshin players will easily forgo the narrative of needing a shielder if the damage payoff is good enough

[rancid cypress]

that being said a well invested arle should just kill fast enough anyway

[opal surge]

xilonen releases suddenly c0 neuvilette doesnt need a shield anyway

[bright cape]

who said that?

[sour birch]

crystallize ftw

[bright cape]

oh i see

man imagine if xilonen had off-field geo app

[quaint fern]

it shouldn't really matter if you put her as the first slot, skill -> setup

[rancid cypress]

xilonens too good lol

[bright cape]

she would be best for so many teams

navia shard issue nomore

[quaint fern]

navia teams would be so busted

[sour birch]

you don't have to protect yourself from enemies if they die fast enough to where they cant hit you

[rancid cypress]

issue comes when if you panic burst then your supports arent ready yet

[opal surge]

there is no navia shard issue with xilonen

she has 0 issues at all

[bright cape]

oh i heard there was