📌gimshim-help

[cobalt imp]

Never mind, I just got it!

[ripe surge]

hi, can someone rec me 2 teams for abyss? here's the roster

[lyric cargo]

Raiden, Yelan, Furina, Xilonen
Sucrose, Xingqiu, Bennett, Xiangling

Raiden, Bennett, Xiangling, Emilie
Kokomi, Furina, Yelan, Xilonen

[lyric cargo]

TIL: You can cancel plunging attacks in Natlan by swapping to Ororon
so.. fast damageless way to get down I guess

[feral reef]

can someone pls explain owowon kit in razor language

[opal surge]

https://tenor.com/view/ironic-star-wars-chode-gif-5274592

Basically do hydro/electro/nightsoul aligned damage and ororon does damage

[feral reef]

i understand it now

thanks

[opal surge]

team needs to do nightsoul and/or taser damage for his a4 otherwise he bricks

[haughty lotus]

Proof?

[candid fable]

help pls

[strange scarab]

light them up in order of the yellow paints

[feral reef]

i need to do hydro/electro/nightsoul aligned damage and ororon does damage

[narrow folio]

You're taking damage while plunging?

[cobalt imp]

Say, can anyone please help me with Tatara Tales: The Last Act?

[cloud plover]

is calamity of eshu a good weapon for chiori

[bright cape]

might not be unless u r onfielding her

[strange scarab]

she scales better with def

the passive is also too niche and doesnt benefit her much

[cloud plover]

she triggers a lot of crystallize reactions though

that's why im considering it

so in that case, would r5 harbinger of dawn be a better pick for her?

[strange scarab]

you know it only buffs the wielder right

[cloud plover]

well ig i know now

[strange scarab]

and how onfield chiori isnt viable until like c6

[cloud plover]

i have kachina for geo construct restrctions

so usually i kachina e or q based on what is available at the time and then do chiori e

but in that case ill just go with harbinger of dawn

[candid fable]

how to come past this door in ashflow street , ochkanatlan?

[narrow folio]

@quaint fern What do I do with this?

[rancid cypress]

pull chasca just for it

[narrow folio]

No

[strange scarab]

Get chacha

[dusty cape]

chasca

[haughty lotus]

[swift root]

can someone help me with 5 frunce thing ...i colected 4 but unable to proceed with 5th one.dont no y..can someone figure tht out for me please!
UID: 849610643

😢

[quaint fern]

R3+ mist ayaka

It's optimal

[narrow folio]

Welp

[cedar flint]

what if I run triple hydro and one electro will the electro character trigger most of the electro charge?

[forest venture]

run ayaka with furina

[forest venture]

yes assuming the electro app in question is fast

[cedar flint]

for example c6 beidou but I can go someone else I just thought it would be nice to use someone I don’t

she does 1 lighting discharge per second

that will jump between targets

[forest venture]

yea, just not one target, otherwise i'd use fischl or ororon instead

[cedar flint]

well I can’t pull for ororon and you saying fish is better for single target? I can switch between the two depending on the enemies

[forest venture]

not just single target, but the no icd electro app she offers

[lyric cargo]

from great heights, yeah

try the thunder manifestation tp, and plunge to the island below to get down fast

[cedar flint]

probably will go beidou cus I want to give the electro a full em meme build

and I don’t feel like changing my fishL build

[fair urchin]

What's the best way to defeat this

[elder bluff]

Just blast them? I dont even know if there is a timer

[rugged sparrow]

there was a timer but it was like 1 min or smth

or 2? idr

bringing anemo helps if anything, at least the ones that can CC

[fair urchin]

I just have a navia team so it takes long to kill them one by one

[fair urchin]

1 min 8 targets

[rugged sparrow]

doesn't sound too hard unless your units are severely underinvested

[lyric cargo]

Navia is fairly single target, tbh

[lyric cargo]

if it's a problem right now, I'd just delay doing it for now

[fair urchin]

The problem is they spam me with their atks, it messes up my rotations

[crude dirge]

is ningguang a good dps without c6?

[cedar flint]

razor best setup is physical dps right?

[crude dirge]

ye

[opal surge]

its rainbowburgeon or w/e you wanna call it

thundering furry

[cedar flint]

?

[opal surge]

its nahida c6 bennet xq

i think phys razor might literally not be able to clear abyss floor11 atp

[crude dirge]

is ningguang worth lvling if I have her only c1?

[jolly junco]

that's actually the worst

the dendro teams (both transformative and aggravate) and even chevreuse teams are better

[jolly junco]

no

[forest venture]

Thundering furry

[jolly junco]

if you have all character options available ningguang isn't worth leveling at c6 either

[crude dirge]

wym all character options

[jolly junco]

there are better characters than ningguang

so the only reason to level her is if you find her fun (but then why ask if she's worth leveling) or if you lack better options

[crude dirge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1063698658358472764/1312032662608810044/character_info_overview.png?ex=674b0523&is=6749b3a3&hm=941c1d3dec67e8d7784cb89b6410c65481095a4b3079d3c54f5a804923011382&

[cedar flint]

didn’t even consider he could be a overload dps ngl

[jolly junco]

he is not a good one

but physical just sucks

[crude dirge]

is this build at least usable?

[rugged sparrow]

THUNDERING FURRY RAZOR 🗣️

[rugged sparrow]

could be better but usable sure

[crude dirge]

yeah circlet crit rate is bad

[rugged sparrow]

I really doubt a Ning main DPS team can comfortably clear though

best bet is just slotting Chiori and let her do half of the work

[crude dirge]

should I waste my resin just to get better circlet?

[rugged sparrow]

if you really like Ningguang sure

[crude dirge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1145399555148480553/1283287626756919298/catloaf.gif

the 4 reason I wanna build her:
she can bunny hop
she geo
she 4*
i have her best(?) weapon

[rugged sparrow]

? bunny hop how

[opal surge]

i dont think bunny hopping is a unique characteristic to ningguang

[crude dirge]

inf stamina run

[opal surge]

nor does she do it particularly well in comparison

[crude dirge]

idk but its a plus

[rugged sparrow]

??

[crude dirge]

she at least can do it

[rugged sparrow]

aren't you mistaking Yanfei with Ning

how do you infinite stamina run, let alone bunny hop with Ning

[crude dirge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bY_vUgHY_g

u can "run" infinitely

[rugged sparrow]

there's no Ningguang in the video?

[crude dirge]

any tall char can do it

unlike kirara..

[rugged sparrow]

?

[opal surge]

venti is not tall

[rugged sparrow]

bunny hop is restricted to teenage male model

again, you have yet to provide proof of Ningguang bunny hoping

[crude dirge]

br Im too lazy to open genshin rn

but i tested that and she can

[opal surge]

all that aside bunny hopping isnt actually useful to begin with

it was useful in 1.0 with characters not having movement abilities

if you want to build ning just build her

[rugged sparrow]

I couldn't care less about the actual use but I still wanna see the bunny hop claim on Ningguang

[opal surge]

none of the reasons you listed are partciularly striking for making it worth, but reasonably speaking there is no valid reason to build ning

[rugged sparrow]

[opal surge]

unless you want to play navia and you have a deeprooted hatred for geomc

and no other geo character

[crude dirge]

im aboutta crown geomc elem skill

[jolly junco]

https://tenor.com/view/kachina-genshin-impact-leak-natlan-new-character-gif-7649411383939339602

[opal surge]

oh true kachina is free now

[crude dirge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1258263831390453853/1287568497307680955/bounce.gif

[opal surge]

[rugged sparrow]

GURU GURU KOMACHAN

[crude dirge]

i have like c2 kachina

[crude dirge]

will u give me welkin

if I take a vid

[rugged sparrow]

?

[crude dirge]

[rugged sparrow]

why would I

[crude dirge]

also i think i wont be able to even send it

cuz 10mb size req 💀

[opal surge]

because uploading it anywhere but on discord and linking it is a technological burden

[lyric cargo]

for hopping, may I recommend:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/915180263003267094/1209277329155694602/Xianyun_c1_4x_skill_2.mp4?ex=66b9ef06&is=66b89d86&hm=9859b8116554a65bf78b0a7f0c5f6ba3a64a8d2fb912197e683e3b9fb1b97cfc&

[jolly junco]

nice whaleflex that c1 xianyun

[rugged sparrow]

not optimal enough

[lyric cargo]

but it's f2p
I think I'm lucky enough with 50/50s and playing long enough to count

[rugged sparrow]

not abusing the grace period in-between jumps

[lyric cargo]

you mean the time she's allowed to spend between jumps?
hop - dash - hop - dash - hop?

[rugged sparrow]

yes

[lyric cargo]

I find it doesn't feel as good, maybe because of c1

I mainly add the 2 dashes between skill uses to bridge the gap between cooldowns

if I had 3 hops before cooldown, maybe I'd dash in between

with 9 to 12 hops, I don't know if it's worth it to dash between each

[tall egret]

is it really like this?

[terse remnant]

An attack capable of instantaneously obliterating mahoraga in one hit. THIS Is Ryomen Sukuna's ultimate move 🔥 = 💯% ☠️

[rancid cypress]

still less damage than first arlecchino normal attack hit in rot

[neon wave]

~50 minutes, without the Raimei Angelfish spot cause it's annoying to get to/kill mobs/catch them

also I finally finished Toki

[neon wave]

[lyric cargo]

doing Magnificio's camera quest line, ||the third location||:
||diving with the red flying saurian. interactive map comments say "when he starts counting fly and hover over the ring. Position urself to be able to dive. Then when he says 2 dive and hit the ring"||
what ring are they talking about? I don't see any obvious dive target.
nvm, I saw it now

[honest heart]

whats this i forgor

[cedar flint]

ngl I was considering triple hydro razor lol

[honest heart]

this

btw we still dont have hydro claymore right

[lyric cargo]

geo resonance puzzles in the chasm

you hit the nearby pillars
place geo constructs (like traveler's) to extend the resonance

the number of symbols tells you how many resonance hits it takes to break the rock

[opal surge]

[narrow folio]

Can't wait for Natlan fishing

Surely the weapon is good

[cedar flint]

surely

[bright cape]

i already started fishing. i dunno if we get new fishes

for 5.3

[tawny vigil]

Is first great magic good on chasca

[bright cape]

yes. it's her 2nd best option

[fair urchin]

Which quest

[lyric cargo]

it's this

||Go to these in order to be able to see the 4th one||

[heavy zealot]

I got Lyney's Bow what else do I need for him now

[narrow folio]

A good build? There's not much besides that

Character building isn't rocket science

[lyric cargo]

teams, I guess?

[narrow folio]

Lyney has one team and two of his teammates are four stars

[lyric cargo]

the last is Furina? 😛

[narrow folio]

Kazuha

[lyric cargo]

afaik, Furina forward vape is his best team

(not that it's better by enough that it would be worth taking Furina from the other half)

[narrow folio]

Probably cuz she'd be doing more damage than Lyney here

[lyric cargo]

maybe it double dips, getting both good uptime on Lyney passive and reactions

[warm stirrup]

If im using xingqiu for hu tao would i just build him with er for the emblem set to increase its raw dmg?

[haughty lotus]

Build ER until you have enough to burst every rotation, then focus on crit and attack. You can check the ERC in the pins for how much he needs

[haughty lotus]

?

[haughty hawk]

turnip

[haughty lotus]

Yum.

[haughty hawk]

nom

[warm stirrup]

what makes CHEVREUSE good?

[opal surge]

she shreds pyro/electro res

and gives some meaningful buffs especially at c6

This is an offical genshin server as such no discussion of leaks in any form is allowed

[cobalt imp]

My bad…

[plain ingot]

Ororon chasca bennett and who

Or is there a better option

[nova swift]

She likes fried chicken

[sudden summit]

How to solve this?

Thanks

[strange scarab]

barbruh

:genuis:

[feral reef]

whats optimal rot for this team?
c0 amos/c0r1/c0 r5 fav/c6 the leaf one

[lyric cargo]

(or use Ororon, he can do most things the saurians can)

[dusty cape]

imagine having ororon

[strange scarab]

mororon

[lyric cargo]

imagine not putting in a few wishes for him

[keen willow]

Shut the fororon

[dusty cape]

imagine not liking either 5* enough to pull on their banners

[strange scarab]

imagine wanting to refund the 5* after getting her during pity building

[keen willow]

I got 3/4 characters from this damned banner

[lyric cargo]

optimal rot is usually dictated by buff uptime:

Furina skill → burst
Ororon skill → burst
Bennett skill → burst
Chasca skill → 4 CA → burst

using skills before bursts so each char catches their own participles, since they're all different elements.

if you want to funnel (fav?), you'd use burst before skill

[feral reef]

thanks my g

[sage sail]

is this arle's best team for multi wave?

[lyric cargo]

I put Chasca's burst behind all 4 CAs, since I believe the animation eats into your skill uptime otherwise.

and if you use it before the skill, it won't have the 40 crit rate from 4pc Codex?

[forest venture]

bust or maybe ill take it all

[dusty cape]

https://tenor.com/view/aventurine-hsr-picmix-99-gambling-gif-17325251946531185669

[crude dirge]

i think u should replace candace with xingqiu/xianling

[quaint fern]

Should be fine if Candace is c6, don't listen to above wwwwww

[forest venture]

[sage sail]

yeah she's c6. i started building her after sabzeruz bc i got her c6 during the event

[strange scarab]

best is probably pushing it tbh

[trail sierra]

chat I’m stuck at ar 35 and I need to ascend so can y’all give me tips to beat the ascension quest would be appreciated

[crude dirge]

lvl up weapons, characters, get better artifacts, lvl up talents

[glacial jetty]

What am i doing wrong?

[cedar flint]

the best you can do is just lvl up your characters level and talents

artifacts are less important at this stage of the game

[trail sierra]

did level up my team, yet no success

[haughty lotus]

There’s a pre AR45 build guide in the pins. What characters do you have?

[trail sierra]

my team is barbara,xiangling,kachina,candace

[strange scarab]

shuld i prioritize farming codex over chasca's burst it feels so shit

[rancid cypress]

wtf is this

[narrow folio]

What were you farming if not Codex?

[strange scarab]

talents

[rancid cypress]

maybe stop at like 1 9 8 on talents

[narrow folio]

Might as well farm for all talents with impactful damage, you'll be artifact farming until EoS anyway

[opal surge]

1-10-10 her

[narrow folio]

Is this gonna be the trend for every Natlan character?

Mualani, Kachina, Kinich, Xilonen, and now Chasca

Normals are just useless

[opal surge]

weapons are also no longer used in animations

kind of a shame

[narrow folio]

I mean it's visually impressive but it means we're never getting another weapon archetype

I also think it's fine for catalysts, though a lot of them don't use normals anymore

[foggy phoenix]

Would it be smarter to pull for neuv or wait for alrecchino I have 3200 primos 50/50 and on 44 pity I don't think I'll win 50/50 cuz I won 3/4 5* I ever pulled

Or just skip both bc I arleady have 2 decent dpses (tighnari and raiden)

[narrow folio]

Comparing Raiden and Tighnari to Neuv and Arlecchino is definitely something

[narrow folio]

If anything Neuv is stronger than Arle but she'll clear just as fine

So I'd say it's preference

[foggy phoenix]

I'm not comparing I'm just saying I'm not in need for dpses rn as much I'm in need for supports and healers

[narrow folio]

Well if you're in need of supports maybe you should consider saving for those instead

[lyric cargo]

huh, so a natlan fishing association already exists.
they just don't sell a weapon (yet?)

[bright cape]

nope

i got their rod though

[lyric cargo]

slightly faster time getting the weapon

or pre-fish all the fish

[bright cape]

do u remember if it was the same for fontaine?

[lyric cargo]

inbefore they don't make a weapon because people complained too much about fishing

[lyric cargo]

I think it was available from the start, but I'm not entirely sure 🤔

does the fandom wiki list when a weapon was added?

[bright cape]

there is a date

it's been a year n 3 months

[cobalt sigil]

For the Raiden Shogun, is it better to have a good crit ratio with Ok ER or a bad crit ratio with better ER?

72/152 and 211ER or 38/152 and 249ER

[bright cape]

good crit ratio with Ok ER

especially if u don't have her signature

[cobalt sigil]

Yeah, it's either r3 Catch or Deathmatch

[lyric cargo]

if you're not getting your burst back, it's not ideal..
you're playing Raiden [hydro] Bennett Xiangling?

I'd look for a team to modify the team so Raiden has lower ER req, if she can't reach good ER

[cobalt sigil]

Raiden, Kaz, Furina, and Kujou Sara

I can switch back to that, I'd just have to farm for my Xiangling

[lyric cargo]

oh, that doesn't work. Furina requires a healer to enable her kit

I'd replace Sara with someone like Xilonen or Jean

[cobalt sigil]

I can do Xilonen

Frees up my Sara lmao

What's a good 4th in teams with Chasca, Bennett and Furina? I've been playing around with a few units but I haven't found anything that plays especially nicely

[jolly junco]

ororon or layla

I suppose you could also use someone like xiangling or shenhe

between ororon and layla it's c6 ororon>c4 layla>=pre-c6 ororon>pre-c4 layla for chasca's personal damage

[rugged sparrow]

anyone can tell me the next IT elements too lazy to google rn

[jolly junco]

though ororon does a bit more personal damage than layla

[rugged sparrow]

u mentioned pre-c6 Ororon twice btw

[jolly junco]

doesn't matter

meaning stays the same

[rugged sparrow]

then why >

[cobalt sigil]

Yikes

All of my units are at c0 except Bennett and Furina so it's not like I can do those lmao

[rugged sparrow]

I mean, as long as u run Bennett Furi on Chasca

Shenhe is an option if u got her but odds are low

[jolly junco]

you dont even have ororon

?

[rugged sparrow]

huh they mentioned all the way up to Jan, neat ig

[cobalt sigil]

I have his c1

[jolly junco]

you can use him c0

[cobalt sigil]

Had to go back in and check, I have c1

[rugged sparrow]

use a shielder with her, there, problem solved

[jolly junco]

nah you can still use it

cuz its not like qiqi matters there anyway

[rugged sparrow]

real and based

I mean what Lemon said is true

[jolly junco]

yeah you can use the sword for the drip

[rugged sparrow]

there's little to no performance difference on your team

no matter how you build your Qiqi

as long as she heals, she's doing her job

[flat forge]

is days past best for anyone or can i delete all those artifacts? and just run nobless or ocean hued or something else thats better? my invetnory is full so im going through artifacts

[inland flicker]

Anybody know what song this is? https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0NW30AcLv5E?feature=share

[forest venture]

from what i hear, this sounds like a version trailer, so i think you can find it more on the footprints of the traveler albums

maybe try 3.4 trailer since that is the closest i can get to describe (rock = xinyan, liyue's leitmotif = chinese new year event)

[inland flicker]

Yeah, I was thinking I heard it at a lantern rite.

[vale wind]

seems to be this song

[inland flicker]

I'll take a look.

Thanks

[cobalt sigil]

What is Ororon's skill priorities? I don't know what he does even after reading his shit

[nimble bison]

is there a way to know if my last weapon banner 5 star was feautured or not without history logs in genshin?

[quaint fern]

nope

https://tenor.com/view/fafo-findout-fuckaround-fuckaroundandfindout-you-gif-26826252

[nimble bison]

xD, well the progress saves right, even if history automatically deleted right

[quaint fern]

if you get an off banner then the answer is no

[nimble bison]

what? what if i get an on banner?

[quaint fern]

then you'll never know

[nimble bison]

._.

[quaint fern]

if you got an off banner -> guaranteed 50/50 between on banner weapons

if you got an on banner -> 25% chance for off banner -> 75% chance for a split 50/50 for the two on banners

[nimble bison]

ye, thats why i wanna know if i have 50 50 or 37.5

[quaint fern]

you literally cant know if you win

[quaint fern]

there is only one unique result of this: which you won the last time you pulled

if you get an on banner, it's an indeterminate outcome

you can never know if you won a 37.5/62.5 or a 50/50

[nimble bison]

true

[lapis yarrow]

does anyone know why genshin interractive map doesn't allow hide a lot of smaller objects

this made it really annoying to 100% since I cannot tag those as "found"

[quaint fern]

this is not the official map

[lapis yarrow]

been using it since it was out, before hoyo did it's own

[quaint fern]

what are we supposed to do about this?

btw i'm pretty sure you can 100% without opening a single mora box

[lapis yarrow]

a lot of players using it, so maybe they know

[quaint fern]

anyways, I'd swap over to the official for exploration tracking

if you lose cookie data o7 map data

I still recommend that for puzzle hints but otherwise, the official map is superior

[lapis yarrow]

the comments with images are pretty funny

[robust panther]

does c1 chasca mean I can run xilonen with her?

[lyric cargo]

(yeah, it's the better one)

[lyric cargo]

I guess you could do that, though it's a hassle to switch back and forth? check hints on one, then mark the puzzle off on the other

[lyric cargo]

it has log in with google to store your data

[dusty cape]

meow

[haughty lotus]

Nah

[opal surge]

You can run xilonen with c1 chasca and have the same shining bullet count as a c0 chasca with 3 PHEC yes

[feral reef]

@haughty lotus pls give purp flower

[wet plank]

You lose 1 bullet from her usual E

C2 makes it so first shot still gets full bullets but conseqeunt shots don't

You still lose her a1(?) passive from more phec units too

[opal surge]

normal e is
1 anemo 2 anemo 3 a1 4 PHEC 5 PHEC 6 PHEC (with 3 PHEC) | 4 PHEC bullets guaranteed

normal e with c0 with xilo is
1 anemo 2 anemo 3 a1 (1/3d chance for anemo) 4 anemo 5 PHEC 6 PHEC (2 phec xilo) | 2 PHEC bullets guaranteed 2/3rd chance for 3rd

normal e with c1 with xilo is
1 anemo 2 c1 3 a1 (100% chance now) 4 anemo 5 PHEC 6 PHEC (2phec xilo) | 4 PHEC bullets guaranteed

[wet plank]

Yeah but 4th anemo bullet makes her not worth running

Best option becomes C6 chev ben ororon iirc at C1

[opal surge]

its not that bad, it sheets fine on paper and it performs well in low cost speed runs at c1/c2 chasca level

i personally dont like running xilonen much fwiw anyway

[wet plank]

[bitter fulcrum]

anyone know how do arleech talents?

[forest venture]

normals > skill = burst

[bitter fulcrum]

so is the skill and burst not worth it?

[forest venture]

you can level if you want but normals is a lot important over the two

[bitter fulcrum]

understood thanks

[mystic mist]

is there a big difference between ororon and fischl in a chasca layla bennett team?

[lyric cargo]

Ororon can hold 4pc scroll of the hero, so that's a 40 dmg% buff to all 3 elements

(in practice, I'm not sure how realistic it is to get a reaction with both elements)

[lyric cargo]

I assume Furina isn't available?

[mystic mist]

yeah

im also still not sure wether barbara with ttds wouldnt be better than layla

[forest venture]

c6 diona hmmm

[lapis glade]

Would it be better to run messenger or sharpshooters oath on chasca (dont have any of her recommended weapons)

[forest venture]

low base atk and you don't hit weak spots on her gun horse form

just use chain breaker

[raw agate]

I really wanna use my sanctifying elixirs for my Neuvi goblet but, what should I go for HP or hydro dmg (I have C1 Furina if that changes anything)

[strange scarab]

me i would rather not use it on goblet

since ideally its easier to off piece the goblet plus considering the cost i just dont think 4 elixir for 1 goblet that doesnt even guarantee if its gonna roll good is worth it

[marsh vortex]

Is the color match puzzle bugged? I’m going for the last chest and that f ucking shyster keeps changing the correct combo on me

God I wish we could murder NPC’s

Ah thanks yo

Does it eat his face after? I wish we could dispense some Natlan justice

True. Bloody fool would’ve been sentenced to summary execution by water tornado

[lyric cargo]

I'd prefer to craft goblet > sands > circlet

crafting saves resin when you're otherwise done with a domain/strongbox and just need one more piece to finish a build
you'll have 3 good pieces, and for the remaining two you choose which to craft and which to off-piece

the lower the drop rate of the piece you're crafting, the more resin you're saving on average

goblet and sands lets you choose double crit and have a 2/4 chance of rolling into it
I'd lean towards off-piecing the circlet, if you want a high cv build. Crafting that you'd only have a 1/4 chance of rolling into crit

I also like how goblets have the least amount of dead substats. You can end up with pieces like this, that can't roll badly

why do you say off-piecing a goblet is easier?
I'd say it's equally easy for all pieces, if you've played long enough to have good off-pieces of each type

[lyric cargo]

personally I'm holding back on crafting a Neuv goblet, since it's an efficient domain to farm

unless you're completely done with farming golden troupe for Furina / Fischl?

what I mean is:
you can't get as a substat what you have as a main stat

for example, if [cr, cd, atk%, ER] are your useful substats
then an atk% sands can have 3 useful subs (cr, cd, ER)
but a hydro% goblet could have all 4

if EM is also a useful sub, then an atk% sands can now have 4 useful subs
but there will then be multiple combinations with 4 useful subs for a dmg% goblet

[raw agate]

yeah my artifacts on them are cracked (by my standards)

same with my Noelle she is like 42/200 with marechaussee set

[lyric cargo]

looks good
Furina circlet is the only one I'd say could be better (acceptable amount of cr, but no other useful subs)

[foggy phoenix]

can someone explain to me what the imaginaruim theatre is

im confused how it works or what it is in general

[raw agate]

I guess we can start with, the theatre picks 3 random elements every reset, and you can only use characters with that element

and you need a certain amount of built characters to go do harder modes

[lyric cargo]

you choose many characters to bring
but don't get them immediately

you have a starting pool of chars
go though 10 battles (at max difficulty)

you can only use each char twice
so think carefully who you want to use up and who you preserve for later
check which bosses you'll have to fight

after each battle, you can choose another char to unlock

oh, and it's limited to 3 elements
can't bring chars that aren't among them
unless they're one of the 4 "special guests"

there are probably videos that explain it better

[tired peak]

Did the theater reset yet?

[raw agate]

asia yeah, dont know for other servers

[tired peak]

Oh alr

[lyric cargo]

should, it's 4am server time on the 1st of each month

I believe that time has passed in all regions

[foggy phoenix]

mk tysm

[nimble bison]

is c5 heizou do anything good?, i need more characters for theater ( 2 )

[lyric cargo]

any alternatives?

you do have a full month to clear it, maybe you'll get more chars in that time

is traveler set to an element you can use?

[nimble bison]

yes
i plan to ugrade sayu, since already at 53(now 60) and i use sayu to explore anyway
And maybe fischl(level 50)

[lyric cargo]

oh, definitely upgrade Fischl

she's a strong general filler that uses a resin efficient artifact set (Golden Troupe)
so one you'd likely want to farm anyways at some point

and she's a necessary unit for aggravate

[nimble bison]

is she good at doing damage herself? or does she excel at application

[jolly junco]

they put the wenut in it

[wet plank]

We also get a glimpse of how annoying dragon in abyss is gonna be

[jolly junco]

true

[wet plank]

Insta shield on spawn and a lot of chars don't autotrack its main body

[quaint fern]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[cerulean turtle]

I do have a question. With this... Does it mean I have to meet every requirement to get the hp max increase stacks or just one of the conditions?

Because if I'm not mistaken... With a c1 yelan she should be able to spam her elemental skill enough to get the stacks... And with proper energy recharge an easy burst with extra crit rate. But I don't know if I just have to cast the elemental skill or meet every criteria like healing and such.

[cloud siren]

guys who's worth building these days? i was thinking about ayato but idk which set 4hod or 4echoes (im bored and idk who to build)

[bright cape]

u already have a lot of options

i would go for thoma

ororon too

[bright cape]

don't u use xingqiu and kuki?

[cloud siren]

sometimes yes, I will consider building thoma next after i farm mora thank uu!

[halcyon heron]

amos bow or chain breaker better for chasca ?

[bright cape]

amos

[wet plank]

Abt same but can save billets from refining chain breaker by running amos

Though if resin issue instead of billet issue chain breaker cheaper to level

[fading tide]

Is my collei good

[worthy siren]

Was this the one that makes a geo shield

[bright cape]

no

it's a laser machine thingy

[unkempt river]

What are these marks?

Does this one just not respond?

Do mora chests count as exploration?

[lyric cargo]

try shooting them with Ororon (or the bats, I think)

I wasn't sure what they did before this evening, but earlier I shot some and got 1-star artifacts

[unkempt river]

Don't have ororon haha, and I sucked them up with the bats hehe

[lyric cargo]

I sometimes forget he wasn't given out for free

[foggy phoenix]

hi uh im in a tough spot rn between if i should pull for neuv or skip and save for arle as i love both charcters + i have more team comps avaliable for arlechino rather than neuv who should i pull for

or do i just pull depending on the 4*

[bright cape]

show ur characters

[bright cape]

u can pull whoever u like. I directly went for neuvi c1

he is very comfy

for arle, u need a good shielder

[foggy phoenix]

isnt it the same with neuv

[bright cape]

neuvi c0 can work with okish shielder

or even dehya xingqiu

neuvi doesn't have survivability issue

ur account is so much similar to mine

[foggy phoenix]

both having every bad 4* but not a single good 4*

😭

[bright cape]

wdym

u got kuki xingqiu

xiangling

[woeful narwhal]

Why is Fischl always recommended for Electro application as apposed to someone like Raiden?

[elder bluff]

it is not always. raiden is superior in term of off field electro, more than any electro characters. she can function as a dps so she has more teams to play

[frosty jetty]

Which one is better for Neuvilette?

[quaint fern]

Left

[lyric cargo]

I wouldn't say Raiden is superior. her electro hits are pretty frequent (0.9s), but should have standard ICD. They'll only apply electro every 2.7s I think.

if you're playing hyperbloom, the ICD doesn't matter as the bloom cores are separate objects.

if you're playing Chevreuse, you don't need that much application. Just enough to keep the passive (and apply it to new opponents in multi wave).

Raiden's long uptime can be an advantage, but Fischl's application (especially with her A4 which can hit every 0.5s and has no ICD) should be superior

how many A4 procs you can get varies with the team though. Aggravate being the one that takes the most advantage of it

[lyric cargo]

what team were you thinking about? for aggravate, use Fischl because of her A4 (the second passive)

for hyperbloom, use Kuki or Raiden.

for other teams.. Fischl has shorter uptime and Oz needs frequent recasting. but she deals more off-field damage than Raiden

[woeful narwhal]

I'm thinking of Arlecchino overload

Also my Fischl is only C1, which is appalling consider I've been playing since 1.6

[lyric cargo]

that's a Chevreuse team?

Fischl will give more damage, Raiden longer uptime.
I also suppose it's possible that if multiple opponents are spread out, Oz will hit the wrong ones. Fischl only gets coordinated attacks at c6, outside Oz's targeting is random (?)

what's important would be maintaining this passive of Chevreuse:

After a character triggers the Overloaded reaction, the Pyro and Electro RES of the opponent(s) affected by this Overloaded reaction will be decreased by 40% for 6s.

[digital notch]

Tips on how to make Ei deal more damage?

Long comprehensive paragraphs would be much appreciated.

[rugged sparrow]

get better artis, use proper teams/supports, level up talents (assuming standard Raiden build)

[lyric cargo]

you're trying to increase the damage your team deals, or just her personal damage?
usually you'd aim for the former, unless you're just interested in seeing big numbers

[digital notch]

Personal damage.

Big numbers, yes.

200k atleast.

[lyric cargo]

I believe that at c0, for team dmg, the default would be national

for personal damage, I guess you'd just run as many buffers as possible
even though it's not optimal for team dmg before c2

[digital notch]

Good artifacts will take from either two weeks to forever.

[lyric cargo]

So Kazuha, Xilonen, ..
I guess the third would be Bennett rather than Furina

[lyric cargo]

usually on the scale of several months

[digital notch]

I do not have Kazuha...
The other three, I own 'em.

[rugged sparrow]

that's just how it is

another option is to get her consts / sig

[digital notch]

Pain.

[lyric cargo]

I started building out my asia account a bit more, and after 90 fragile resin.. there's still a bunch of +0 artifacts

not worth leveling, most of them

https://enka.network/u/884087020/
Kuki has good ones since that's easy
Chasca, Furina, Ororon I'm still farming

[digital notch]

Sometimes I just wish we had a better upgrade system that ain't extremely reliant on rng...

But I suppose we can't always have nice things.

[elder bluff]

I farmed Navia artifact domain for a month, got full Chevreuse set instead, and no Navia piece

[lyric cargo]

I'm waiting for strongbox, will build Navia in 6.0

[rugged sparrow]

does Genshin happen to be your first RPG game

[elder bluff]

now I realize I need another on piece atk% sands for xingqiu bc the only good atk% sands I have is on Raiden...

AND I need to strongbox for fischl
AND maybe Beidou
AND maybe faruzan and wanderer after that

[rugged sparrow]

the strongbox hell

[elder bluff]

after playing gacha I realize that hell is heaven with more rng than usual

[rugged sparrow]

I'm already immune to the grind after other RPGs, mainly Korean MMOs

artifact farming is just another Tuesday

[opal surge]

It could be worse

You could be farming relics in hsr

[rugged sparrow]

dw I'm not that invested in HSR to begin with anyway

[opal surge]

I dropped it I CBA anymore

[rugged sparrow]

and admittably my relic RNG in HSR is much worse than Genshin/ZZZ

rn still accumulating jades to get FF and then dip again

[opal surge]

Turns out having 2 more possible substats in hsr is mega mega detrimental to the relic system

[wet plank]

Firefraud

[rugged sparrow]

RRRAAAH EFFECT HIT RATE 🗣️

[rugged sparrow]

as if I care about actual performance

ure talking to a Klee main

[crude dirge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1063698601949282354/1313083965997056082/character_info_overview.png?ex=674ed83d&is=674d86bd&hm=13fea415c45d6067553b9fe65e09216faee1bf4f88f8cab6ae795dd34880e528&
I. Need. More MORAAA

[wet plank]

Don't forget about 0 off pieces

[crude dirge]

IM OUT OF MORA AND EXP BOOKS

[wet plank]

Ok fair

[digital notch]

Gacha? Yes.
RPG? Not my first one.

[elder bluff]

I just got 2 body piece on HSR, one has main CR with sub CD, the other has main CD with sub CR
guess what? no crit substat gained

[opal surge]

[digital notch]

But I have yet to play a game that relies that much on RNG.

[rugged sparrow]

gear RNG is a common end game loop for RPGs in general though

I'd argue some Korean MMOs have it worse

like so much worse it'll take literal months to get just 1 piece
and it might not be even usable

cherry on top if their enchanment system (or something similar) is locked behind paywall

imagine levelling up genshin artifacts but u need primos

actually scrap that, genesis crystal instead

[crude dirge]

should I focus on lvl or talents

[rugged sparrow]

both

[digital notch]

The drops Monster Hunter and Terraria for some loot is painful but atleast in those games you can continue for hours in your leisure.
For Genshin artifs... not so much when you have no fragile resin or don't want to spend too much of it.

[rugged sparrow]

MH is nowhere close in comparison yeah, it's super tame

unless you're minmaxing in MHR for that charms

[digital notch]

MHFU is the only one I played so far.
Managed to get to High Rank on an actual PSP.
As of now, I am playing it on the Emulator.

And due to it being emulated, I suppose the grinding can be far faster.

[rugged sparrow]

farming in MH is also not time-gated so there's that
Genshin is limited due to resin
other RPGs have "daily" system too (like 1 entry limit daily or smth)

[digital notch]

Either way, not much I can do on getting good artifs other than hope and wait.

[rugged sparrow]

pretty much

[digital notch]

Can't even risk wasting elixir due to the chance of the upgrades being eaten by useless substats as opposed to the ones you added.

[opal surge]

[digital notch]

Almost five months wasted only for it to roll on DEF/HP.

[rugged sparrow]

just another Tuesday

[rugged sparrow]

so you're telling me you play MH
MH:Wilds waiting room?

[opal surge]

Yeah, I'm a big mh enjoyer

Mhfu on psp is probably amongst my most played games still

[rugged sparrow]

I'm a World baby

[crude dirge]

how much exp/books and mora does it take to lvl up char from 80 to 90? (excluding ascension)

[rugged sparrow]

172 purples iirc for exp books

idr the mora

[opal surge]

It's a good game to start with tbf

[crude dirge]

alr lemme 172 x 4 then rq

688k

[opal surge]

After playing rise playing world is hard for me now because of no dog and wiredashes

[rugged sparrow]

Rise just doesn't click for me

[crude dirge]

bro im ar 57 and I didnt know about that chest

[rugged sparrow]

it feels like a different game entirely
also because they butchered HH so bad in Rise

[rugged sparrow]

dw I know AR60 peeps with non-100% explored areas

[crude dirge]

my only explored areas (not just randomly walking) are mondstadt and enkanomiya

[opal surge]

I see 97 and 95 in mond

[rugged sparrow]

Enka not being 100%

[crude dirge]

i didnt use interactive map for any of them

[crude dirge]

in enkanomiya i have only like normal or smth chests left

im too busy building phys qiqi 😭

[rugged sparrow]

are you a mintpicker cuz otherwise you won't be needing much time to spend resin

[crude dirge]

whar

[opal surge]

Ochkanatlan is op for mintpicking

[rugged sparrow]

fr

[crude dirge]

i wish nahida skill worked while falling

[opal surge]

All investigation spots are artifacts and chasca is op in the region 😌

[crude dirge]

..

[crude dirge]

im pullin 4 lyney

[elder bluff]

isn't seirai island perfect for mintpicking, also petrichor

[crude dirge]

chascha seems borging af

[opal surge]

[crude dirge]

where the hell is fun/hard gameplay when u just fly and hold m1

[rugged sparrow]

(also applicable to 90% of on-field DPS)

also did you just call Chasca boring when you play... Qiqi main DPS whose only job is to spam LMB

[crude dirge]

bro im collecting flower, not chests 😭

[crude dirge]

u gotta dodge at least

im not using shielders that much

[neon wave]

liyue commons 0 primos gg

[elder bluff]

be like HSR and Take-Ultimate-To-The-Face

[opal surge]

[opal surge]

But qiqi is a healer

[crude dirge]

im taking ultimate to the RMB

[crude dirge]

i got her c2 yesterday
im hapi

that was a sign to build her

[lyric cargo]

wait, strongbox for Fischl?

but MH / GT is a very efficient domain? you have no use for MH?

[elder bluff]

already farmed MH but I need Codex

[lyric cargo]

problem in genshin for me is deciding what to keep
like.. this is trash right now but if there's a def scaling codex user it could be ok

[rugged sparrow]

can also be off-piece

[elder bluff]

yes, or if you want to play on field Xilonen

[lyric cargo]

mmh, 7 useful sub potential for off-piece def% sands
almost not worth it even if it rolls perfectly

I keep too much 😅

50 of them are 1/2 star fodder, so I have like 60 empty spaces right now

[rancid cypress]

do you know how cope is 4wand chasca

[rugged sparrow]

very?

isn't 4p Cinder better than 4p Wand

[rancid cypress]

its that bad?

[rugged sparrow]

I'm just guessing but it should be

[rancid cypress]

cus might be a while until i get additional sets from codex domain given its rng against me

[lyric cargo]

teamwide 40 dmg% vs 35 personal CA dmg%?

[rancid cypress]

and i dont wanna steal from kinich

[rugged sparrow]

idk why Cinder isn't listed on build doc but Cinder is 40% dmg to all elements involved

so it should net to higher team DPS too on top of higher personal

[rancid cypress]

maybe its cus its assuming ororon in team or something

[rugged sparrow]

truege

[rancid cypress]

not like i really have a suitable scroll in the first place but yea

[rugged sparrow]

though chars like Tigh have an assumption of no Deepwood holder so it bugs me a bit

4p Shim Chasca

her burst is garbage anyway isn't it

[rancid cypress]

my wand is better subs

[rugged sparrow]

unlucky

[rancid cypress]

i guess the answer for me is to cope 😔

[rugged sparrow]

rob Kinich dead

[rancid cypress]

hey i like playing him

[rugged sparrow]

ok but give them the taste of freedom

RRRRAAAH WHAT THE FUCK IS A KILOMETER 🦅 🇺🇸

both need Bennett to run anyway so

[rancid cypress]

if you have nothing then you have nothing to get restrained from

[lyric cargo]

the calcs I'm looking at don't list scroll either:

Codex - 100%
Marechaussee - 94% (with Furina)
Shime - 90%
Wanderer's Troupe - 84%
VV - 77%

[rancid cypress]

im just lazy to swap around tbh
weapons i can tolerate if i need to but artis are too many stuff to swap

[rancid cypress]

this is quite copium dam

[rugged sparrow]

huh, Mare is 6% worse than Codex

that's a bigger gap than I expected

[rancid cypress]

man

mare kinda tough for me as well cus i dont always use furina with her either and again, wand better sub

the answer really just look like cope while farming more codex then

[rugged sparrow]

no amount of subs is gonna cover 16% diff I don't think

[rancid cypress]

my mare is like neuv substat stuff

which means 40% hp sub

[rugged sparrow]

hot

[rancid cypress]

makes my neuv good but doesnt rly go well with others sadly

in which hey i also now have a lyney so thats more things to worry about

[rugged sparrow]

oh you pulled Lyney too

[rancid cypress]

theatre primo single pull

[rugged sparrow]

whale

[rancid cypress]

i consider it as a reward from chasca weapon pull being full 2 pity

[rugged sparrow]

ASTRAL VULTURE'S CRIMSON PLUMAGE 🗣️

[rancid cypress]

least edgy rpg weapon name

[rugged sparrow]

thought we stopped getting good universal weaps for a while now
but that shit dropped

[rancid cypress]

ganyu getting a bow bis upgrade every new bow dps release

[rugged sparrow]

also DPS Venti 🗣️

[rancid cypress]

i was slowly forgetting ventis existence atp

[rugged sparrow]

it's ok everyone does

[rancid cypress]

well i did venti burst on a wenut this theatre so now i remember

[rugged sparrow]

abyss just kept shoving mobs where u just need to frontload

[lyric cargo]

it's ok, he doesn't really

[rugged sparrow]

Chasca/Arle dominating boards rn

also Mua

[rancid cypress]

you mean mualani with arle as pyro app

[lyric cargo]

no Navia?
thought her frontload was good

[rugged sparrow]

Navia setup takes 7 business days

[rancid cypress]

navia doesnt even come close in speedrun boards nowadays

not like i do that stuff but its fun to do some weird meta value pvp argument with that

[rugged sparrow]

Chasca and Mua literally just

press E
kill

[rancid cypress]

i was originally gonna skip chasca especially looking at the drips but the clips were too much

[rugged sparrow]

dont you love Chasca just frontloading 1m-2m without setup

[rancid cypress]

love how the setups are just swap from slot 1 ttds holder or bennett q

not both, just one of either

[rugged sparrow]

Mua setup
Q
Arle E into frame perfect Q hit

I still laughed looking at that

[rancid cypress]

so arleover

im still waiting for her rerun cus i want her but the newer dps really makes me feel things

[rugged sparrow]

still can't believe they're putting both Mav + Citlali on same patch
my Wrio savings is in danger

I'm just praying Wrio's re-run isn't in remotely close to them

[lyric cargo]

I went to 73 pity hoping for Ororon cons
decided I'd be okay with getting Chasca if it happens

but now I'm at 73, I might as well get Chasca on a rerun if I still want her

[rugged sparrow]

Ororon consts are kinda whatever anyway, no

Mav + Citlali? they're literally dripped

[rancid cypress]

considering citlali is cryo one might even think hoyos cryo hate might be coming to and end too which is kinda scary

[rugged sparrow]

I said same patch

[lyric cargo]

yeah, nvm

[rugged sparrow]

cuz I want both

[lyric cargo]

I think c0 to c6 is like a 40% increase, yeah

[rugged sparrow]

Xilo Mav and Citlali are the only 3 Natlan chars I'm aiming for

[lyric cargo]

not exactly Chevreuse

[rugged sparrow]

watch Citlali not getting a re-run until Snezh

[rancid cypress]

so true

did even charlotte had a "rerun"

[rugged sparrow]

I believe so?

...

ok what's with hoyo and their hate towards genshin cryo chars

Charlotte hasn't had another banner since her initial debut in 4.2

[rancid cypress]

nvm i just checked

[lyric cargo]

decided to trash these now, after keeping them for ages

potential for 8 useful subs, but I'm never using shime. and for off-pieces they're kinda whatever

[rancid cypress]

i would have strongboxed those as soon as i got it

[rugged sparrow]

flower/feather without double crit

easiest trashing

[lyric cargo]

keeping this though, for a def% scaling support

cr for fav, ER for burst

[rugged sparrow]

off-set feather isn't exactly common

I'd probably trash it too

[wet plank]

If you wanna copium it +4 er check

If no er roll it's mat for next patch's transmuter

[rugged sparrow]

+600 hp

[lyric cargo]

8 useful subs not good enough for you, if you use the set?

for off piece, yeah I'd trash

[wet plank]

Shime and er don't go together

[rancid cypress]

non double crit for a dps set feather is pretty much a trash unless in very specific scenarios for me

[wet plank]

It's 7 useful stats at most and half of the initial useful sub is atk which for most shime users, is worth like half a crit roll

[lyric cargo]

all into cr could be okay as well, for a supp like Xilonen who doesn't really have ER problems but mostly wants to trigger fav

[wet plank]

Well closer to 3/4 depending on it but eh

[lyric cargo]

ah, maybe counting ER as a useful sub was a mistake

[wet plank]

Atp I'd just be rolling scroll feathers for cr rather than off piece ones

[lyric cargo]

almost feels like that with Codex as well, nobody so far really values the stat
everyone who uses Codey just bursts every other rotation

[wet plank]

Arti exp upgrade mat is pretty limited, no reason to settle for low starting odds unless you're already scraping the bottom of the barrel for pieces

[rancid cypress]

they dont rly have the best bursts

[lyric cargo]

I'm just locking an keeping a bunch of stuff for later just in case I need a cr off-piece plume
but not leveling until I actually need them

[rancid cypress]

me personally would have strongboxed everything day 1

[lyric cargo]

problem is, my inventory gets really full and managing it in genshin is not great ^^

[wet plank]

Atp you'd just start strongboxing it

The overall potential value of the piece is very low

Even if it did end up rolling well at the end of the day you're rolling for marginal QoL upgrades for your supporting chars

[lyric cargo]

doing that as well
I honestly have no use for a cr crit rate off-piece on scroll holders at this point

[rancid cypress]

maybe something could be like this i guess

[lyric cargo]

only question is, do I really put these on Xil 🤣

[wet plank]

I mean my xilo has 80 cr for no reason

She's not even on fav

[rancid cypress]

unironically hoping a double crit def goblet for xilo rn

[wet plank]

Initially wanted to interchange between fav and fs but got too lazy to level another fav

[lyric cargo]

honestly feels weird to have her be the highest cv on my account
I was just trying to stack crit rate since it's the only stat that matters (she's on fav)

[rugged sparrow]

😎

I heckin' love ER

[wet plank]

Img sending issue

Gdi isp

I got this

[rancid cypress]

i was originally happy i was getting er rolls but then i never use her burst unless shes solo so

[rugged sparrow]

my feather is though

[wet plank]

I went er sands even if I rarely used her burst

[rancid cypress]

mine looks quite weird

[lyric cargo]

it's almost funny when you get insane rolls where you can barely use them

nice plume for someone else, probably
if they make an hp% scaler that can hold scroll

[rancid cypress]

those pieces are useful for her for me personally
told ya im actually hoping for a good crit def gob

[rugged sparrow]

dont be shy show her consts

[lyric cargo]

using her as dps?

[rancid cypress]

u mean my qiqi xilo qiqi xilo qiqi

[rugged sparrow]

[wet plank]

Buffer

[rancid cypress]

hey i just lv90ed ororon yay

[wet plank]

But crit stat because C6 and sometimes just having dmg is nice

[rancid cypress]

god dammit

[rugged sparrow]

just juicing out every single bit of dmg he can for better clear time

[lyric cargo]

since they mentioned wanting crit, despite no fav

[lyric cargo]

ah

[rugged sparrow]

minmaxing™️

[wet plank]

I mean not just clear time no?

In overworld sometimes you js wanna whack some mobs

[rancid cypress]

i dont speedrun lol

[rugged sparrow]

[wet plank]

You'd rather whack mobs for 120k than hit wet noodle 10k

[lyric cargo]

I'm kinda using mine for damage in overworld, sometimes
on teams that are built for movement (so they're struggling for dmg)
Xianyun Ororon Xilonen Sayu

[rugged sparrow]

perks of having c6

[wet plank]

Can't relate

Too whel

[rancid cypress]

lyney next

[lyric cargo]

this is her right now
I'm taking talent leveling slow, waiting for overflowing mastery and chests / events

[rancid cypress]

looks pretty good assuming enough er

[lyric cargo]

(and yes, the fav is lvl50 since she doesn't actually need the baseAtk or ER ^^)

[rancid cypress]

nice xilo then

[rugged sparrow]

not c4

not sig

[lyric cargo]

I mostly just burst for i-frames, since it's not even leveled

still heals for ~2k per tick

[rancid cypress]

makes sense

[foggy phoenix]

Should I replace my r5 catch on raiden with primordial jade spear and if so would I have to replace my sands with an error one

[crude dirge]

now crown her NAs

[opal surge]

optimally yes and most likely yes

[lyric cargo]

it's replaced with her skill talent, I think?

[strange scarab]

no her geo infusion dmg scales off na talents this time unlike other natlan chars

[lyric cargo]

huh, that's devious
I remembered her skill state changes them to scale with def%, so I was like "how could it change the scaling if it's not based on the skill talent"

but her NA has a separate set of multipliers for when she's in nightsoul blessing

so no I'm left to decide if occasional overworld use justifies leveling a talent

also, I guess I'll farm her talent mats now..
any extras I get later can go to Ororon, since they use the same talent book

[sick quarry]

Can someone help me creating 2 team for abyss

[strange scarab]

maybe

[foggy phoenix]

how much er is enough for raiden with jade spear my raiden is on 210 er without jade spear (r5 catch) and 170 er with jade ( no er sands rn)

[lyric cargo]

too many on-fielders, not enough supports (especially Furina is missing, maybe Xilonen)

what constellation is Faruzan?

[rugged sparrow]

can just make rational and Tigh team though, or Neuv

hyperbloom is also an option

[sick quarry]

Owhhh faruzan is c6

[lyric cargo]

I want to recommend hb second half, though with Raiden as the trigger they'll need a separate healer in 4th slot
against Tulpa that actually doesn't sound bad

[sick quarry]

Ooo

[lyric cargo]

the other nice option is Xiangling carry for Tulpa, though she's lvl50 so idk

[rugged sparrow]

with c6 Faru you can run Xiao hyper too

[sick quarry]

Yeah might work out on it soon

[lyric cargo]

oh, I didn't dare hope that. With no Wanderer or Xianyun to be seen

you're neglecting her then, by leaving her at lvl40. if you want to play Xiao you should level Faru

[sick quarry]

Aaa i see so what about other 2 char on the team

[lyric cargo]

for his ideal team, Xianyun and Furina
though Furina is a highly contested unit

[sick quarry]

Ohh might saving for her

[lyric cargo]

Bennett can replace one of them
for the last slot, maybe a shielder? I'm not sure who is a good fit

I think I've seen Sucrose, in old videos from before Xy and Furina existed

[rugged sparrow]

just run Xiao/Faru/Bennett/Fischl for now

[lyric cargo]

oh, and by highly contested I meant Neuv might want Furina
among others

[sick quarry]

Oooo okey

[sick quarry]

Alright then

[sick quarry]

Yeah she is good to fill

[rugged sparrow]

other team you're basically forced to hyperbloom with Nahida/Xq/Yelan/Raiden, though

[sick quarry]

Yeah im currently using that

On the first half and neuvi kazu on 2nd and totally messed up

[lyric cargo]

maybe replace one of the hydro units with a healer/shielder, since the added hydro app isn't useful for Tulpa
and Tulpa is the hardest part of this abyss

I don't see great healer options, though

[rugged sparrow]

P. Amber Nahida

just pray and not get hit too often

[lyric cargo]

time to reset every time we get hit ^^

[sick quarry]

Ohh i see ty

[foggy phoenix]

doed lisa require high investment if i put her instead of fishl in a tighnari team

[quaint fern]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[foggy phoenix]

problem is

no fishl

[quaint fern]

Fischl is better

But you can use Lisa for now

Just give Lisa TTDS/Hakushin and deepwood

Tighnari can hold wanderers

[foggy phoenix]

what im doing rn is called something close like "copium"

[bright cape]

yes. give catch to xiangling

[formal scarab]

How do I gez through there?

I forgot and it’s blocked?

[lyric cargo]

hard to tell where it is, with that small an area in the screenshot

[haughty hawk]

i am here

wrong chat

[formal scarab]

The thing is there’s also water but I’m don’t know how to drain it (I went the other way around 💀)

Now I’m in a lower lvl uff

[lyric cargo]

looks like the "legends of stone lock" quest location
https://game8.co/games/Genshin-Impact/archives/387448
(I wouldn't normally recommend that website, but it can be okay for quest guides)

I don't actually think the guide explains how to get down

but I'll link it just in case

[formal scarab]

Hmm Nono the thing uhm Leme try to explain it so we know there’s a domain there right? And you can jump down when you go to a bit further you come to this place shown in the picture. Two ways are there and one with a tree stem were you can go up right? When I go up there I’ll get in water that’s why I have no idea how to get the water away

Bc I already did everything

It’s confusing

[neon wave]

You need to obtain the quest Hidden mentioned to drain the water. You can get it by unlocking these seals

[unkempt river]

Do the ember mora chests count for exploration %?

[magic bison]

Yes

[unkempt river]

meh haha

[magic bison]

Second, I’m assuming you’re not using a crit rate artifact set

Yeah

[lyric cargo]

calculate your average crit dmg:

51.7% chance at +165.8% dmg is 0.517 * 165.8% on average

0.517 * 165.8 = 85.7186%
0.730 * 120.7 = 88.111%

np!
the other consideration is consistency vs high / low roll

if you have a large number of hits, it usually doesn't matter

more for chars that deal one single big hit, where you might feel the need to reset if it doesn't crit

[quaint fern]

Actually I'd argue for the opposite

The bigger the chunk of DPS in a single hit, the more worthwhile it becomes to reset and critfish

Consistency is better for consistent, lower DMG hits like w neuvi

As opposed to eula

[wet plank]

Depends on how much you're struggling with content

If you're not scraping crit fish resets for 36* or speedrunning you'd lean towards consistent crits for lower hit count chars

[opal surge]

realistically you just go for the higher cmulti and trust that it will pay out on average

i dont think many players are actually banking on their crit luck to clear abyss (hopefully) and you should be able to clear even if you get unlucky on crits

[lyric cargo]

oh yeah, that's what I meant 🤔

"[it matters] more for chars that deal one single big hit"

but yeah, funny enough it goes both ways
consistency vs high / low roll becomes more important, but you can go either way on this

depending on whether you're willing to reset for it or not

I think I saw someone recommend high crit rate on Navia because not critting with her skill feelt bad for them

[opal surge]

its true

not critting on navia worsens my mood immediatly

[lyric cargo]

just get 100 : 200 ratio or higher, so maxing out crit rate is also the optimal play at the same time

[quaint fern]

I mean yeah

I wouldn't recommend going lower CR (you've seen my builds LOL)

[forest venture]

forget it, bring rosaria with 100% crit rate with you

you get free 30cv without even forcing yourself to adjust for capping crit rate in ur artifacts

[lyric cargo]

despite the look, these can't be lit by a pyro char; right?

[nimble bison]

can fishl use r5 favonious? im thinking as battery, i already have it as level 80, would the passive effect work on her

[dusty cape]

who is she being a battery for

[opal surge]

the passive does not work offfield, she can proc it effect while onfield just like everyone else

Its generally speaking not a good weapon option for her

[lyric cargo]

what bows do you have (screenshot them from the equip menu for a bow char?)
and what team are you using her in?

for a very new player, I'd say it's ok as it's a bow you won't regret leveling later

but the ER substat isn't very useful for Fischl, and she can deal good damage with other bows, if she's actually built (skill talent leveled, good 4pc golden troupe artifacts)

[nimble bison]

i just needed a fishl to fill for in theater, but i finished theater now, i forgot she needed talents

[foggy phoenix]

whats a decent crit ratio for raiden with a crit rate weapon

[nimble bison]

1:2

[foggy phoenix]

mines 56 rate and 160 dmg

[nimble bison]

is alright

[foggy phoenix]

mhm

[nimble bison]

mine is like 66 to 183 with staff of homa(cdmg weapon) with low ER

[lyric cargo]

always 1 : 2, for average damage

[nimble bison]

raiden also wants ATK% and ER% so crit ratio will be hard to maintain

[lyric cargo]

the only exceptions are supports who hold favonius weapons
(you can ignore their average dps and just focus on triggering the weapon effect)

or when you follow that rule crit and rate reaches 100%, you stop there of course since the stat is capped

take into account crit buffs like 4pc Codex / 4pc Marechaussee and "the catch" passive of course

[sage sail]

what do u guys think will be the ideal exploration team after mavuika is released? will mavuika be better than chasca for exploration or will chasca's ability to shoot targets from the air be better?

[nimble bison]

do we even know mavuika kit yet

[foggy phoenix]

im legit gonna tweak

why does emblem domain hate me badly

[nimble bison]

it hate us all equally

[sage sail]

we already know that xilonen made chasca's gun and mavuika's bike so it's likely that mavuika's bike will allow her to fly

[lyric cargo]

don't farm it imo
unless you have a good use for shime?

strongbox exists

[lyric cargo]

I think that's a leap

[foggy phoenix]

i dont strongbox atm bc of my lack of artifacts

[sage sail]

why do u not have enough artifacts if all ur getting is garbage?

[nimble bison]

that doesnt give us any information on how good exploration will be

[foggy phoenix]

thats the problem i have 13+ double crit flowers

im lucky and unlucky at the same time

[lyric cargo]

generally what you do is, you farm two sets that share a domain and you both need

from that, you get a ton of bad pieces you don't need, and the occasional good one

the bad ones go to strongbox another set, like emblem, where the second set in the domain isn't useful for you

[sage sail]

just take one bad +20 artifact and fodder it to the next then the next. you'll probably get a few x2 or x5 levels

then you can weed out ones that are unsalvageable

[foggy phoenix]

i keep getting good artifacts that roll good but for the wrong charcters

[sage sail]

just farm the natlan artifact domain or marechaussee

marechaussee domain is only rlly good if u have furina tho

[foggy phoenix]

im skipping all natlan chars and merachaussee i dont have any charcters that need it

[lyric cargo]

I kinda think if you're getting the best supports for whatever on-fielders you choose, you'll end up getting her

[sage sail]

yeah

it will eventually be useful

[foggy phoenix]

only way i farm merachaussee if i win the 50/50 on neuv which is very unlikely

[sage sail]

wdym unlikely? it's 50/50

[foggy phoenix]

i won 3 50/50s ina row ik this game isnt that generous

[sage sail]

still 50/50

[foggy phoenix]

wtvr happens happens if i lose on him ill have guranteed for arle which i like more imo

but if i win i win

[sage sail]

just wait till we hear mavuika's kit bc she will likely improve exploration, especially in natlan

[lyric cargo]

your past 50/50s don't really influence your next ones
escept for the new 50/50 pity if you lose a lot

[sage sail]

unlikely that she'll powercreep arle but u never know with hoyo

then again, she's an archon

[foggy phoenix]

i heard shes an on fielder which i dont need atm

[sage sail]

it does if u activate capturing radiance

[sage sail]

arle is also an onfielder?

[lyric cargo]

for what it's worth, let's pretend you have two Chascas

you'd still get something from swapping between them in Natlan (nightsoul transmission → endless flight)

no benefit outside Natlan, though

[lyric cargo]

oh yeah, that's what I meant by new 50/50 pity

capturing radiance is the name

[foggy phoenix]

true but really for most new charcter i skip them and get them on their reruns

[opal surge]

Why

[sage sail]

that's not a very good plan bc with new characters, they design the abyss to benefit them

[dusty cape]

[foggy phoenix]

idrc abt the abyss rn

maybe in the future yes but rn no bc of my lack of charcters in general

[sage sail]

what characters do u have?

[foggy phoenix]

my 5* are kazuha raiden tighnari keqing and nahida

[sage sail]

then it's totally doable

[foggy phoenix]

yea but my charcters arent really built rn

my xinqgu is neglected same with bennet and kuki

[sage sail]

just focus on raiden and tighnari

kazuha, kuki, and nahida all just need triple EM

benny just needs a good base atk weapon and ER

don't need to get too fancy

u could run kuki as a substitute

[foggy phoenix]

problem is kuki is arleady on the team

[sage sail]

what is ur tighnari team currently?

[foggy phoenix]

kuki tighnari nahida

and lisa

[sage sail]

u could run xingqiu and weave in a couple normal atks for hyperbloom

and run raiden overload

do u have chevreuse?

oh wait u have kazuha nvm

either works

[foggy phoenix]

my raiden team rn is national but sometimes i do nahida raiden bennet and kazuha

just for overworld stuff

[sage sail]

overworld teams are often just that, exploration

i would never in a million years use my overworld team for abyss

[opal surge]

what the

[sage sail]

it's not optimal but it's viable

it's easier with furina for tighnari quickbloom tho

[foggy phoenix]

not national im dumb raiden overload

raiden chev bennet and xianling

[sage sail]

ok then those are ur 2 teams. aside from raiden and tighnari, the rest are quite low investment

u should be able to get at least 2 stars per chamber with time

[foggy phoenix]

what other team

tighnari kuki xinqgu and nahida?

[sage sail]

yeah it feels a bit clunky but it works

nahida and kuki have quite long cooldowns so u should easily be able to weave in some NAs with tighnari. that's the main reason yae is better than fischl on tighnari teams since tighnari's dmg window is so short

u have a lot of time left over for her long animations so u can easily get some hydro app

[foggy phoenix]

i would get yae on her next rerun prop

just for tighnari

i enjoy playing tighnari more than raiden ngl

[lyric cargo]

I'd say post a screenshot of your chars

Tighnari weaving normal attacks doesn't feel great, and you'll get less use of your Xq that way

if you have nothing else, you could do it of course
but I wouldn't recommend it without checking for other options

[zenith thicket]

fischl? probably off field too so like idk

[lyric cargo]

Nahida, Xingqiu, Kuki, (filler)
Raiden, bennett, Chevreuse, Xiangling

Kuki lvl90 with 4pc Flower of Paradise Lost, main stats EM / EM / EM

[zenith thicket]

stringless alley hunter or skyward harp?

[foggy phoenix]

ive been doing nahida kuki tighnari filler and same raiden team rn

[lyric cargo]

skyward harp is her best option out of these, both for aggravate and regular off-field dps
if it's not being used by another char
https://tinyurl.com/GenshinBuilds

[pastel osprey]

I don't know wish one to keep?

[foggy phoenix]

both!

[pastel osprey]

👍

[foggy phoenix]

istg elixer pieces have a higher chance at being def

[lyric cargo]

I don't think anyone has enough data points to confirm or deny that
but it seems very unlikely

the more likely question for me is whether they're 34% chance to have 4 starting stats, like strongbox / etc
or 20% like artifacts from domains

@foggy phoenix (deleted message?)
if you can get these 5 things, she'll carry

level 90 is the biggest component
80 → 90 is a 34% damage increase, from 70 it'll be even more

biggest step after that is getting either a Flower of Paradise Lost EM goblet or circlet from strongbox

sands should come along the way to that

that'll give you the 4pc bonus

[foggy phoenix]

mk ty

ill just scrap the tighnari team and do hyperbloom with nahida xingqu kuki and dendro mc(?)

[lyric cargo]

probably another unit instead of dendro MC, but yeah

[foggy phoenix]

ill replace them whenever i have something better like beidou

[lyric cargo]

Tighnari and hyperbloom are both good single target teams
but hyperbloom is much easier to get off the ground
and your chars lend themselves more to hyperbloom I'd say

[lyric cargo]

is Candace c6?