📌gimshim-help

[vast wraith]

unless i get her early

we'll see, lool

tysm @lyric cargo @jolly junco

[opal surge]

[lyric cargo]

starting to think about next theater: https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Imaginarium_Theater/Seasons/2024-11-01

counting my pyro, electro, dendro

plus: Klee, Yae, Xilonen, Xingqiu, Layla

Xilonen will basically be another Chevreuse, since the only buffable elements are electro and pyro

2 battles: Raiden + Chevreuse/Xilonen
2 battles: Klee + Chevreuse/Xilonen
2 battles: Tighnari quicken
2 battles hyperbloom with the Xingqiu special guest

2 battles left that I don't have a plan for..

[elder bluff]

Chiori with no geo construct

[lyric cargo]

better pull c1 🤣

[elder bluff]

what site is this?

[lyric cargo]

it's https://act.hoyolab.com/app/community-game-records-sea/index.html
and then click on show all chars

but I modified it so the icons can be dragged around

[strange scarab]

Join my world

welcome to my world

[keen willow]

Why is layla a guest star

[lyric cargo]

melt Layla

[keen willow]

Probably for that all hydro summons chamber

[wind bolt]

Gotta pick xinyan and dori trail charcs coz mine aint build with artis

[lyric cargo]

yeah, I'd rather save resources than level talents on bad chars

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1145842643360825344/1297213840529948753/grafik.png?ex=67151c08&is=6713ca88&hm=b99a547c063a41ff5be149ed5f301da96ad5f855b1da8adcc2881b51577a8932&

I'm thinking something like this (will have to adapt based on the order I get the chars, of course)

Amber = Klee
Dori = Yae Miko

[wind bolt]

Chat team recomendations?

[wind bolt]

Will build them eventually but dont have the rescources rn

I mean artis

Dk man their role is kinda weird have no idea what they do

[stiff spoke]

if im using def % circlet on xillonen, do i need another healer? also want to know if there are any stats recommendation to aim on xilonen

[lyric cargo]

it depends on her weapon.

with her sig, she has a certain amount of def% she needs to meet
with fav, she wants crit rate to trigger the effect

beyond that, for healing she prefers healing bonus circlet over def% circlet

I'm not sure how big the difference it

[lyric cargo]

I think you want enough chars built to do theater
but you have a month to build them should you need them in the future

[stiff spoke]

i already had like 180% er atm with favo, considering the burst cost is kinda low. should i still run on crate circlet too?

[lyric cargo]

triggering the effect isn't for her, I think her ER req is actually low

but it helps teammates with their ER

[lyric cargo]

what's her crit rate without CR circlet? what refinement is the fav sword?

[stiff spoke]

crate like 9% 💀 , my arte really goes way to hp er and some em idk why. R5 FAVO

[lyric cargo]

ah, yeah, 9% isn't going to give a good chance to trigger fav

[fringe scroll]

kazuha or bennett?

[stiff spoke]

so is it still okay to use crate even having uptime burst? like really focused to support other er only

[lyric cargo]

Furina wants a healer, ideally teamwide
Xilonen, Jean, Xianyun, etc

[fringe scroll]

xianyun healer? 🤔
dont have xilonen nor jean

[lyric cargo]

yeah, think of her in that team like Jean but she can hold ttds

Raiden's plunges deal burst dmg, not plunge dmg
so Xianyun's plunge buff isn't benefitting her

[fringe scroll]

so, im not really thinking on building xianyun, so may i ask you a opinion, do you think i should pull for xilonen, or wait for nahida

oh wait xianyun

[lyric cargo]

if it was my account, I'd rather have Xilonen than Nahida right now

[fringe scroll]

i saw xinyan sorry mb 😭

[lyric cargo]

ah

[fringe scroll]

i dont have xianyun

[lyric cargo]

they did make a lot of similar names 😄

[fringe scroll]

im on guaranteed, pity 40

i was thinking on getting her for my navia also, but nahida is tempting

[lyric cargo]

can you go to "all chars" and screenshot your char list?
https://act.hoyolab.com/app/community-game-records-sea/index.html

[wind bolt]

Strongboxing husk rn for.noelle and yunjin rn after that cw for diluc klee hutao then fopl for kokomi kuki thoma

[haughty lotus]

Get xilo. good upgrade for mualani and Navia, and usable in other teams

[fringe scroll]

hmmm alrightt

[wind bolt]

Yun jin gotta lvl her weapon and get 4pc ideally

[jolly junco]

you dont if you replace her on the noelle team for a better unit

[wind bolt]

Dont really plan on playing her with noelle

[narrow folio]

Hey, don't disrespect my goat

[jolly junco]

[violet mantle]

can u guys help a lil with my bennett build when i sort out enka?

(It's so bad right now but ive completely and wholeheartedly forgotten every piece of genshin information)

[narrow folio]

4pc noblesse er/pyro/crit

[violet mantle]

ohhh ic i thought he needed healing bonus..woops

[jolly junco]

its kind of up to you

he will usually heal enough on a build with offensive stats but his personal damage is generally not a significant portion of team damage unless you on-field him a lot, so it doesn't really matter

high er is the most important thing on artifacts

unless you wanna build dps bennett and on-field him

[violet mantle]

right now hes kinda cooked

[jolly junco]

the circlet is good for a support build anyway

[violet mantle]

legit got no er sands to my name n nobless treats me wrong

I'm not sure, i think right now im doing a support build but i wanna do a dps build in the future iykwim

[jolly junco]

well its an entirely different set and stat priority for dps bennett

[violet mantle]

i see.. what set would that be

[jolly junco]

4pc crimson witch, 4pc mh is also good if using him with furina

mh being marechaussee hunter

[sick quarry]

whos on the next banner\

[jolly junco]

nahida and hu tao

[violet mantle]

im thinking more thatll be a late game issue cause support bennett is a lot easier to build than dps n i still have other characters i need to work on like xingqiu, xiangling, scaramouche, nahida, n a future tartagila (whenever he reruns cause idk if hes reran recently)

[sick quarry]

WHATT

[opal surge]

om

[lyric cargo]

if you're a beginning player, I'd suggest building Bennett only towards his support build (and not spend too much time on his build after that, until your other chars are done)

you can still run pyro goblet and crit circlet without spending much time on it, but I'd assume it's not that relevant

[lyric cargo]

this is what I'd emphasize as well. Having a high baseAtk weapon and being able to burst

[violet mantle]

returning but atp yeah beginner, I think thats what I'll do for the time being and then figure out who I'm maining once im in a comfortable spot to build whom ever i want

my team has just been ganyu scara xingqiu and bennett, i dont wanna main ganyu as much as i love bow users because i play on mobile n i find it too small so atleast i know it wont be her

[lyric cargo]

ah.
I think I'd look for a shielder, both Ganyu and Wanderer can struggle with being interrupted

though you're not using Ganyu on-field here I assume

[violet mantle]

unfortunately these are my characters so im not sure who to like.. build rn

[violet mantle]

yesyes was thinking maybe saving for zhongli

[violet mantle]

yeah i just use her for freeze cause im low ar LOL

obviously gotta level people up cause im behind on that

[lyric cargo]

he has the strongest shield, might be able to get away with a 4-star shielder like Thoma though

[violet mantle]

yeahyeah cause i want him for yoimiya cause i wanna get her aswell

[lyric cargo]

hmm

[violet mantle]

i have a lot i want but got lots to build currently

[lyric cargo]

up to you of course, but be aware that pulling too many on-fielders is a common problem

[violet mantle]

yesyes cause lots require the same supports i presume

[lyric cargo]

what constellation is your Faruzan btw? at c6, she gets really good for anemo dps like Wanderer

[violet mantle]

yeah lemme take a peek

c0 sadge

[lyric cargo]

also because you just won't have the supports

and a team can only have one on-fielder, so often times one ends up benched when you pull another

[lyric cargo]

sad

[violet mantle]

unfortunate.. it's toughfr,.,

im still so behind in story and quests and even exploring so building isnt my first priority thankfully

[lyric cargo]

mhmm

just make sure to use your resin, as it can take a long time to build chars and getting a head start is nice

[violet mantle]

yesyes the headstart has been helpful tbh

i use like 2 character per team in abyss though so i really gotta get on that eventually

[violet mantle]

im back to bother cause i forgot to ask, would it make more sense to level up the supports first? and if so is there like a priority i should focus on in like order? for example like bennett > someone else > someone else. if this is a stupid question just call me stupid

[quaint fern]

Depends how important their ascension 4 passives are. Of course you should level your main party equally but some characters like healers don't really care after getting a4 passive

[violet mantle]

alrighty!!

how do these twos builds look so far (I know level and talents r a lil behind rn.. planning on getting on that tmrw cause I get my returning event 2x thing so talents will be saved (perchance) THE GOBLETS R SO PAINFUL i havent even gotten any offset ones bro

[haughty lotus]

You have the right mainstats, just substats need work. Before that you should get them to the max level, lvl useful talents, and 90 weapons. You should switch Bennett to sapwood blade tho

[onyx grove]

is this good enough without Nilou?

[violet mantle]

I havent even finished sumeru (or even begun it i think..) so thatll be awhile but yesyes ill be on that soon

Cant really max level them either rn but ill get the sruff for it (ar46 core..)

[haughty lotus]

Yeah just get whatever the max is for now. When you unlock last ascension you can just leave them at 80/90

[quaint fern]

yeah you just want the last ascension for stats/talent levels

you don't necessarily need to rush 80/90, a large number of my characters are at like 79/80 still

[obtuse swift]

Hey guys do you know who is the moderator in this server i wanna talk to him or them

[onyx grove]

try Qixing Hotline

[haughty lotus]

aranara quest line

[haughty hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/pibble-gif-3189076933757992368

[violet cipher]

If I lose 50/50, about how many pulls before I garuntee the 5-star?

[tardy jetty]

Character banner? Another about 90 pulls

[quaint fern]

Realistically within 80 tho

[wind bolt]

Unless ur unlucky

[summer surge]

hello (my friend) has a problem regarding starting the game

he said that its up to date but when he clicked to start it says pls update the game something like that

[buoyant cliff]

which is better for chiori? golden troupe or husk of opulent dreams?

[lyric cargo]

0.6% chance per wish for the next 73 wishes

after that, you hit soft pity and the chance increases by 10x the base rate each wish

so
6.6% on the 74th
12.6% on the 75th
18.6% on the 76th
etc

you're very likely to get it at that point. if someone told me they went to 90 I'd say they misremember

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wwW12uQLCiw

https://hutaobot.moe/tools/gachacalc

[lyric cargo]

are they using the new launcher?

I don't have many ideas to what could cause this, maybe some issue with the installation. I there might be a way to validate files somewhere (?)

if not, a full reinstall might be the only idea I have. Or head to the official discord first and ask there, since that takes a long time.

might as well restart the computer first. probably won't help, but it's always a good idea to try anyways

[lyric cargo]

https://tinyurl.com/GenshinBuilds
iirc it says it depends on how much she uses her burst

but GT is a lot more convenient to farm, if you don't have either set yet

since MH is a good set as well, it's a resin efficient domain

[forest venture]

fork it imma drop my prediction on the best pyro traveler build

c6 Pyro Traveler Build
4pc scroll
1/10/10
er/pyro/crit

[lyric cargo]

I predict it won't be worth leveling talents, it'll just be the scroll set and fav sword

[mental storm]

How do you build a sub dps aventurine with good shields?

[forest venture]

crit dmg body, def feet, 4pc knight, imaginary sphere/def rope, you can use f2p new preservation lightcone OR gepard's sig

[mental storm]

The lightcone with sunday and robin as kids?

[forest venture]

i think the one that increases dmg for every def you have

[mental storm]

Yeah that's the one

[lyric cargo]

that doesn't sound like a genshin question

(I thought you typo'd adventuring at first)

[jolly junco]

he's a preservation character in HSR

[timid silo]

is this ok build? still on the making

[nova swift]

Not as ok as you

[lyric cargo]

https://enka.network/

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1101635606121021602/1294928073191460874/IMG_0958.png?ex=671362bf&is=6712113f&hm=3e4c00883598fad2f8dad24600df2b2554db9e0dc3cfefb6c1d8e895a6a2434a&

enka cards will get you better feedback on what to improve

what I can tell from the ingame screenshot is you need more crit substats

[neon harness]

😌 zhongli

[neon wave]

whoever made that must have good taste

[elder bluff]

I thought good order

[sage sail]

just got peak patrol song. how many def main stat artifacts do i need?

[sick quarry]

is this alr to keep on kinich?

[nova swift]

Not as good as you

[rugged sparrow]

just as long as u hit 3.2k total

[lyric cargo]

8% for every 1000 def with a cap of 25.6%
so the cap is reached at 25.6 / 8 * 1000 = 3200 def

Xilonen's base def at lvl90 is 930
3200 / 930 = 3.4409, so she needs +244.1% def to reach 3200

lvl90 peak patrol song gives 82.7% def, so that leaves 161.4% def

one max-roll def% substat gives 7.29%
161.4 / 7.29 ~= 22 max-rolls

one +20 mainstat gives the equivalent of 8 max-rolls

2 mainstats + 6 max-roll substats would be enough

[sage sail]

ty

[elder bluff]

peak patrol song also gives 16% more def from ode to flowers

[lyric cargo]

oh yeah, that saves you a little over 2 max-roll substats

I was thinking about it at the start, but forgot midway

[neon harness]

Ikr

[sick quarry]

should i swap serpent spine onto kinch instead of the earth shaker i currently have?

[tired peak]

How do I get the billet for the natlan weapons?

[sage sail]

tablet of tona

[tired peak]

What is that

[sage sail]

u trade pyro sigils for rewards

[river coral]

or convert other billet using dream solvent

[rugged sparrow]

you can also convert other billets into Natlan's billets by using dream solvent yeah

[tired peak]

Ok thx

[gaunt kettle]

are these builds fine

[sage sail]

https://tenor.com/view/mckinley-whale-big-gif-3873017581534036627

[neon harness]

Maybe a def circlet, for 3.2k def

Nahida looks good for an onfield build

[rugged sparrow]

pretty sure they hit 3.2k def already with buffs

[gaunt kettle]

i get like 3.4k def with the ode to flowers things

so idk if it still worth

wat about furina build

i feel like i need more crit rate

[sage sail]

doesn't festering give u free cr anyway?

[forest venture]

12 on the skill yes but even so the person is not having enough crit to balance the ratio

[sage sail]

ig so

good that u picked hp goblet tho bc festering also gives u dmg% so it's probably a lot better than hydro

good flower, mid feather, decent sands, mid goblet, meh circlet

ig the extra ER is good on teams where she's the only hydro

like quickbloom

[true depot]

what do i do from here

[sage sail]

use the aranyaka

[true depot]

these are the rhythms ive gotten so far

[sage sail]

go to the top tab

u can just search up guides from there

[elder bluff]

https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Children_of_the_Forest

[true depot]

ohhh it lead me to a quest, which i didnt know it was part of the aranara series

[gaunt kettle]

i needa farm more artifacts

but my luck is kinda ass

[spiral mantle]

is cr/cd unneccessary on her, also what should i improve on? (support build)

[rugged sparrow]

cr only matters with Fav (which you should be using instead of that)
higher E level
also you dont need to run 5p set, can run 1 off-piece

[spiral mantle]

i dont have any replacements 😭

[rugged sparrow]

you were asking on what to improve on
what's the point of asking then

[spiral mantle]

no in general

[rugged sparrow]

yeah those 3 points

[spiral mantle]

the artis r ok?

[rugged sparrow]

as long as you're using 4p cinder, everything else doesn't really matter
her burst is optional depending on team, but Fav helps team's energy so there's that

[spiral mantle]

using her mostly in mualani burnvape and arle vape

[rugged sparrow]

burst is definitely useless in Arle vape
for Mua burnvape still depends, if you don't take a lot of dmg you won't really need to use her burst

[spiral mantle]

alrrr

def or er for sands

[rugged sparrow]

both are whatevs

[spiral mantle]

alr alr

[rugged sparrow]

if you want to burst every rot and struggle to meet ER requirement somehow, then ER sands

[spiral mantle]

i see

[spiral mantle]

hmm would a yoimiya yelan yun jin xilonen team work

[unkempt river]

WHY DOES KAZU KILL CRYSTALFLIES=??!!

[neon harness]

cus all dmg kills crystalflies

[jolly junco]

with furina instead of yun jin it should be alright as long as you're ok playing shieldless

[spiral mantle]

okiii

[jolly junco]

ig bennett instead of yun jin works too but same idea

[stiff latch]

I got both weapons because bad luck, is it worth trying for chiori?

[jolly junco]

she's a good off-field geo dps but I don't think it's a smart move pulling a character just because you got their sig

[stiff latch]

does anyone else use it?

[jolly junco]

lots of characters can use it, it can even be competitive with some of their typical BiS options when you activate the full part of the passive

like on furina and keqing for example

uraku is albedo's BiS too

[versed marsh]

how do u people drink water?

[violet mantle]

The way i drink water is i get up (impossible task) i walk to the kitchen (impossible task) open the fridge (impossible task) and grab a water bottle (impossible task) and then drink from said water bottle (impossible task)

[wind bolt]

Not

[versed marsh]

ur pfp. hand it over

[wind bolt]

Hmm

[stiff latch]

did one 10 pull 20 pity and got excited lol, guarenteed i guess

[spark pond]

is she usable or needs more upgrades/changes?

haven't gotten a def/geo DMG goblet yet 🫠 (need it to be on set cuz circlet is alr off set)

[foggy phoenix]

Can these 2 teams work for doing the abyss (whenever I actually build the charcters)

[strange scarab]

kick out kaz for xingque

[foggy phoenix]

Don't have

[strange scarab]

yelan

[foggy phoenix]

Don't have

[strange scarab]

chevreuse

[foggy phoenix]

Have but haven't unlocked Fontaine

[strange scarab]

its not locked by quest

[foggy phoenix]

Ik

[strange scarab]

so just use her and go there

[foggy phoenix]

K

[strange scarab]

the quicken team can be worked on

would be great if you have fischl

[foggy phoenix]

I have every 4* that isn't good

[strange scarab]

not sure if both tighnari and keking's field time would collide with each other

[foggy phoenix]

I'll prop switch tighnari for kaz

Or something idk

[wind bolt]

Kazuha isnt used on dendro teams generally

[jolly junco]

he's used in aggravate ones

[strange scarab]

is the aphid treasure quest voiced

[heady ridge]

is cinibar good on xilonen?

[wind bolt]

Dont think so

[strange scarab]

favonius better

[wind bolt]

If you already got it leveled ig but natlan craftable gives more def and fav better for teamwide energy

[heady ridge]

i have it r5 and maxed so is it better than fav?

[wind bolt]

If you care about the healing yea but other then that its kinda mid. While fav has the passive

[lyric cargo]

no, Xilonen pretty much doesn't need stats for hew own build

the options I see are (1) crit rate + fav for team energy or (2) def% + her signature

building def% and healing bonus for her healing is secondary, imo

[heady ridge]

so for her arti stats i should go for def? or na

[opal surge]

xilonen stats basically dont matter

if you need to burst every rotation you need to have enough ER to do so, and thats it

[heady ridge]

wait how does she work, i just got her

[lyric cargo]

unless we're talking dps Xilonen (but her support build is better)

[opal surge]

providing energy to her teammates through fav is basically always more valuable than doing slightly better healing with a defense weapon

it should never be worth to play a weapon thats not favge, aside her signature and freedom sworn, which are better support weapons (and 5* weapons)

[lyric cargo]

her support buid requires the team to have 2 or more pyro / electro / cryo / hydro chars

you crown her skill to max the res shred

level her burst a bit for healing (optional)

[lyric cargo]

right, I forgot about freedom-sworn when I said this

[opal surge]

im not happy with recommending freedom sworn as it locks you to bursting every rotation or booking, but its at least worth mentioning

[wind bolt]

We pulling sig boys

[wind bolt]

Just have 200er with fs ez

[opal surge]

its not an ER issue

its a bursting is usually a DPS loss issue if you dont need the healing this rotation

[narrow folio]

Imagine needing healing

[heady ridge]

is skyward ok, this guide im looking at says its ok for her

[wind bolt]

For?

[heady ridge]

xilonen

[wind bolt]

Wouldnt run that if you got fav

Its only givong er(forgot the passive)

[proud trout]

So to increase the rep further, do we need to wait for the other tribes that'll be released and weeklies don't matter until then if you got the current ones capped?

[jolly junco]

you can't do rep things anymore once you have maxed out the current ones

[proud trout]

[jolly junco]

my extra weekly 150k mora gone forever

[proud trout]

sad times

[lyric cargo]

have you kept track of your mora, btw? You're unlikely to run out anytime soon of course, but I wonder if it's going up or down now (without the extra 150k)

[jolly junco]

from 3 weeks ago

uh

I have no idea what my normal mora income over a week is

but it's gone down in the past week from building xilonen

[elder bluff]

mine downs from 9m/month to 6m/month

[lyric cargo]

I went from ~30m to ~27m when I last checked, but I also built unusually many chars for a while because of theater

[elder bluff]

mine is 32m to 21m

I have to start running artifact routes to make up for the lost of mora

from what I calculate i get 121200 mora by doing daily stuff

that's 3636000 mora per 30 days

585k more from abyss, 500k more from IT

make it 4.7m

[lyric cargo]

events give mora as well

[strange scarab]

Zamn

[wind bolt]

Me whos down 10m+ since last month

[tropic thistle]

Would I spoiled about archon quest Act IV if I do aphid event now?

[opal surge]

no

[tropic thistle]

So I only needed context of Act III?

[opal surge]

its a combat event

[jolly junco]

"combat"

[storm urchin]

i need help creating my second team

[jolly junco]

keqing, fischl, sucrose, yaoyao/kirara

[storm urchin]

tyy

[storm urchin]

how would this team be built? w/ kirara

[jolly junco]

4pc thundering fury, atk/em, electro, crit on keqing
4pc golden troupe, atk/em, electro, crit on fischl
4pc VV, em/em/em on sucrose
4pc instructor/can use a 5* support set if you want more HP on kirara hp/hp/hp

[tropic thistle]

So it won't spoil me on anything about Act IV?

[violet mantle]

Any teams i could make so far with these? Or who to level up in specific yknow

My memory is so bad i might aswell made a spreadsheet and a list of who needs leveling and what comes first

[tropic thistle]

Sadge I wanted to finish archon quest first straight before going to aphid but no time left

[opal surge]

the event doesnt have story

[tropic thistle]

[opal surge]

what would it spoil

[tropic thistle]

Ah I see nc

thanks

Xilonen and aphids? idk

Anyway imma do it now

[violet mantle]

I dont remember anything important from the event ngl

[tropic thistle]

thanks @opal surge

[jolly junco]

you learn the deep secrets of natlan from the bugs

/j

[tropic thistle]

[keen willow]

When are we getting the free candace

[opal surge]

second half i assume

its the nahida event after all

[keen willow]

So i haven't missed it yet

You think i should build dori if i get her c6

[tropic thistle]

Ok

I finished the aphid event

ngl it was a little spoiler with their wordings, and ||how ororon is casual with everyone||

Though it is pretty much expected to be with prediction of the plot easily after you finished act III and the amount of archon quest spoilers since day 0 lmao

[unkempt willow]

ayaka freeze team reccomendations ?

[unkempt river]

Ayaya, Furina, Xq, Jean (?) Dunnoh how Ayaka freeze teams should be built but that's my first instinct...

[lyric cargo]

no grouper, so.. might as well play Xilonen in Jean's slot if she's not in use

Xilonen: res shred + dmg% buff + single target healing
vs
Jean: shorter duration res shred + teamwide healing

might get less fanfare, but Xilonen definitely makes up for that with her own dmg% buff

you'd want a cryo unit in place of Xingqiu, to lower Ayaka's ER reqs

--
how good is EM circlet on Mualani? I assume you need her sig and then it can be okay?

not really planning to go for her, just thinking about this piece I got

[wind bolt]

Just roll it

[lyric cargo]

meh, I'm just keeping it for now if I don't have an immediate use for it

it costs me an inventory slot, but no need to use the mora and artifact exp now

[unkempt willow]

ive got xilonen on my mualani team

[lyric cargo]

okay, that's a better use for her than the Ayaka team

[opal surge]

its not great without sig at least

(Mualani Yelan Xiangling Xilonen)

its not bad with sig though

[unkempt river]

Yelan for the dmg bonus and the few burst hits? Along with hydro resonance

[opal surge]

Yeah pretty much

[primal latch]

Should I just keep this? I have 36cv dendro offpiece and also im not sure if ill pull for kinich

Quite tragic it has 4 stat from start

[lyric cargo]

don't think I'd ever toss a piece with no wasted stats

you got one that's a straight upgrade over this?

Kinich doesn't want the EM of course

still have off-piece potential at least?

[primal latch]

I think so but it will be off piece

[violet mantle]

yeah just use it as off piece maybe cause goblets r pains mayhaps

[primal latch]

It has 36cv but not sure about the other 2 stats

Thankss btw to u 2

[quaint fern]

36 CV + 2 er rolls is great for a goblet

Bro how high are you goblet standards

Anything above 30 CV for me is POG

[wind bolt]

above 30 is sercivable below its quistionable depending on how it rolled

[quaint fern]

I'm pretty sure my only 40 cv goblet is hydro and I don't even use hydro characters as DPS 😭

[opal surge]

[neon wave]

above 30CV goblet isn't just "serviceable" 😭

what are y'all feeding your artifacts

other stats can be good

[opal surge]

Cv chasers

[violet mantle]

bruh i just want an elemental goblet rn

working on his talents n levels rn so i gave up on goblet but like i just.. i just want one.

[lyric cargo]

will getting the goblet finish the build?
could use the new crafting system, if it's a domain or strongbox you want to be done with

but if you still need other pieces you might as well wait and see if you happen to get a goblet

[violet mantle]

im not sure what pieces i wanna fix tbh im so bad when it comes to replacing things

im fine with the goblet being off piece so im just farming gilded and the other set i forogt the name of whenever im farming n strong boxing it into pieces for anemo supports like kazu, sucrose and venti for when i get em

i think ill work on replacing artifacts once i have more mora and stuff to spare

im still early ingame so i dont have much to spare ontop of leveling everyone

[opal surge]

my clor goblet doesnt barely has 15 cv

[lyric cargo]

the plume could be better
the flower seems like a piece you use when you're struggling to get your burst back

[violet mantle]

i have another flower lemme find it

ofc i didnt put the character with the flower on my profile

gotta log on eughh

[lyric cargo]

my best goblet is one that didn't roll into crit at all

(of course I'd rather it did)

perfect kokomi goblet, I guess 😅

[violet mantle]

did it fr only roll hp..

that is so sad

[lyric cargo]

but 8 useful substats

[spice pecan]

I pulled Xilonen not too long ago and there is acouple things I dont understand. She breaks resistance with her E. And having high Atk or crit damage doesnt change that. I want artifact with defense because more defesne she has more she heals. If I dont care about her healing only difference between her lvl 1 with no artifacts and her lvl 90 with artifacts is the amont she heals?

Can I not improve her resistance breaking

[rugged sparrow]

her E talent

[lyric cargo]

yeah, Xilonen scales with her skill talent level (you'll want to crown it)

her artifacts don't improve her main utility, similar to Bennett

[spice pecan]

Ah mb :D

[spice pecan]

I see I have 2 crowns

should I crown her or my main dps's Raiden and arle

[lyric cargo]

the stats you want to build depend on her weapon:

with Fav Sword, you want crit rate to trigger it
with her signature, you want 3200 defense to cap out its passive

[lyric cargo]

you likely won't be short on them unless you skip events (you shouldn't, they give primogems)

I assume you're a newer player based on the number of crowns? or someone who crowns a lot of talents?

[spice pecan]

Okay thanks

[spice pecan]

no I have only ever crowned 1 talent im new

I'm AR 54 right now

[lyric cargo]

oh, that's quite high for a new player

did you skip any events?

[spice pecan]

Yeah I progressed rly quickly I was AR 47 a month ago

[spice pecan]

I didnt play for 3 months but I havent skipped any events that give primojems

[lyric cargo]

https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Crown_of_Insight

[quaint fern]

Basically my Furina circlet

[lyric cargo]

since it mentions this:
I'd recommend not to get the ones from paimon's bargains.
you'll get plenty if you play the events. I'm sitting on 27 after a little over 2 years of playing

[quaint fern]

No crit rate sub but that's 6 good substats

[violet mantle]

I have a feeling this ones worse still though but idk ?

[quaint fern]

Crit rate will be better if I swap to festering but I have her on fav for some high energy teams rn

[violet mantle]

also would this be good on anyone?? its on my wanderer right now cause his build is horrible (woops) but yknow..

[quaint fern]

Stuff like my wriothesley team where it's better to have Charlotte on TTDS and Furina on fav than char on fav and rina on festering

[quaint fern]

That's pretty solid

No atk but 20 CV and 2 er rolls is pretty decent

[lyric cargo]

the left one has 3 rolls of ER, 2 rolls of atk%, 2 rolls of crit dmg
the right one has 1 rolls of crit rate, 3 rolls of crit dmg

7 useful rolls vs 4 if you need the ER
4 useful rolls vs 4 if you don't need the ER

[quaint fern]

Off piece for HP/def scaler could work

[violet mantle]

alrighty!! ill just keep it for now, ill keep it on scara probs cause he has a cr weapon (although i could probs move him to a cr circlet

i just havent built him yet so hes getting scraps LOL

[quaint fern]

Keep for now?

That's not smth I would toss

[violet mantle]

i meant on him SORRY my brain is off

[quaint fern]

Tbh I forget who even uses 4 gilded

[violet mantle]

would it maybe work on hutao if i got her? (although i know she tends to be behind on cr sometimes when i look at others builds so idrk

[violet mantle]

im farming gilded for when i get razor LOL

[quaint fern]

Haitham and who else?

[violet mantle]

idrk

i liked a team i had on my old account which was c6 bennett, c6 razor, c6 xingqiu and c6 dendro traveler, it was fun

[quaint fern]

Rule of thumb for crit rate is 1:2

[violet mantle]

although it did overheat my phone

[violet mantle]

ic ic

[lyric cargo]

Alhaitham I guess? but it's not much better than 2pc 2pc iirc
so with better substats you might as well go for that

gilded isn't a set that has aged very well I think

deepwood / gilded used to be called a high value domain
now I'd rather strongbox deepwood than farm the combination

[opal surge]

it doesnt give a lot of stats, and the stats it does give are not crit or dmg%

[lyric cargo]

Marechaussee + Golden Troupe has kinda redefined what a good domain is, imo
both excellent sets
now we have Codex + Scroll of the Hero, also both very good

[violet mantle]

makes sense, i just want gilded for razor.. idk if anything else would work better in that team now though

[violet mantle]

(i dont even know what those two do.. im hardstuck sumeru and below knowledge..)

[quaint fern]

Pretty sure it's tighnari's 2nd best option in teams with a deepwood user by a very slight margin, the best being WT which you can't farm

And then we have natlan domain, having the racist artifact set

[lyric cargo]

yeah, WT is both convenient in that you'll automatically get pieces over time
and inconvenient in that: do you really want to strongbox a set you can't stop farming, but are forced to farm very slowly?

[violet mantle]

the. the what?

[quaint fern]

You NEED natlan characters to make it work

[violet mantle]

thats bananas

when hve they ever restricted things to region characters aside from maybe the diving in fontaine ?

[quaint fern]

Even whimsy has the fontaine craftables that let you get some sort of stacks without having the mechanic in their kit

[lyric cargo]

Marechausse gives 36% crit rate to any on-fielder
with the condition that the team needs to have Furina

Golden Troupe gives +70 skill dmg% to off-fielders

[violet mantle]

that condition seems kinda sadge

[quaint fern]

Yeah artifact power creep was pretty high after fontaine dropped

Golden is now fischl's new BiS

[violet mantle]

ohhh that makes sense

[lyric cargo]

yeah, basically you pull Furina at some point and then it's both very flexible (many chars can use it)
but also, if you take Furina off the team you gotta switch the artifact set

[violet mantle]

would it work for xiangling at all (not saying as bis ofcourse but curious)

[lyric cargo]

thankfully Furina is arguably the best char you can get for most teams

[violet mantle]

i'd so get furina but i want so many more characters before her

[quaint fern]

The joke is that you can make any claymore/sword/polearm/pyro catalyst a decent dps with Bennett, Furina, and xianyun + marechausse set

[violet mantle]

she means nothing to me character/personality wise so shes a hard skip for awhile

[quaint fern]

Furina is a keystone of a few team comps

[opal surge]

okay thats just cope

[violet mantle]

but she sounds good so ill keep her in mind

[quaint fern]

Tho you do have characters like arlecchino who don't work with furina

[violet mantle]

i dont really know furinas kit tbh

[lyric cargo]

the way most people think about it, I believe:
they pull the chars they like, but also the ones needed for their best teams

[quaint fern]

Cope but they can TECHNICALLY trigger a stac

[violet mantle]

i pull the characters i like and then maybe ones thatll help but i usually always stick with characters i like

venti main dps with diluc subdps was how i did stuff throughout sumeru (with a benched hutao..)

[quaint fern]

If you want to pull a DPS, all of the natlan ones have been pretty decent so far

Hu Tao still performs

Her new teams use Furina tho

[violet mantle]

i dont like spear users im spearuser-phobic

[quaint fern]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but tao goes Furina Bennett sucrose now? Or is it xianyun?

[opal surge]

furina yelan xianyun/xilonen/bennet/jean

furina isnt enough hydro for tao alone

[quaint fern]

Oh right 2nd hydro

How could I forget

[violet mantle]

this stuff is so confusing to my eggbrain

[lyric cargo]

her skill has a very long duration and deals good damage from off-field
Golden Troupe is her signature set

her burst gives a teamwide dmg% buff that can be the largest in the game by a fair margin
with the condition of having a healer. The buff comes from your team's hp going up or down (like the tide, I guess)

[violet mantle]

ohh i see why thatd work well with tao

[lyric cargo]

yeah, most chars that deal damage with their talents like it tbh

got a screenshot of your char pool? I can go over who she works well with

[neon wave]

her skill drains HP so if you have a good source of healing you can make her work in a lot of teams

[violet mantle]

im not pulling for her woops sorry if u got that impression

im skipping everyone for tartar. she'll be an issue for future me when i want her

[lyric cargo]

no, just wanted to give examples for this point

[violet mantle]

ohh ic

[quaint fern]

I probably wouldn't recommend pulling for Childe in 2024

[violet mantle]

my wifi is too bad anyways

[quaint fern]

There's a certain hydro dragon that is like, genshin's current premier dps

He is absurdly easy to build

Not to mention that he keeps getting buffs (thanks xilo)

[lyric cargo]

probably the last buff he'll get, as his team is now full

[violet mantle]

huh?

wouldnt or would i cant tell

[opal surge]

surely mavuika will not kick xilonen off his team again in 2,5 months

[lyric cargo]

what I'd like is a way to take Furina from his team and still have it feel as good, though ^^
because I'd like to play some Furina teams on the other side sometimes

[violet mantle]

I'm still pulling even if he is considered bad nowadays though, hes my husband

[quaint fern]

Sorry, autocorrect

[violet mantle]

i pull cause i like character, not cause meta

[lyric cargo]

your phone is probably a Tartaglia fan as well

[violet mantle]

if theyre good on top of being a fav then yay but idrc

[lyric cargo]

main thing about Childe is he doesn't have great team variety

afaik his hydro application is unparallelled, but he has limited uptime

[quaint fern]

Surely she is dehya pro max ultra plus

[violet mantle]

thats okay hes still silly

[quaint fern]

OPPA

[violet mantle]

also what does emilie do?? i havent even heard of her until i went into the archive earlier yesterday

[opal surge]

if shes xiangling that does damage and isnt ultra cucked by cd shes probably better than xilonen already

[quaint fern]

She's like dendro fischl who wants to be in a burning team

[lyric cargo]

she does good damage in AoE, from off-field
with the requirement that enemies are burning (dendro + pyro)

[quaint fern]

I'm assuming from the fact that I haven't heard much about Emilie burnmelt in ganyu mains that she doesn't have good enough application

• you trade ganyu DMG for Emilie DMG sooooooo

[lyric cargo]

(I honestly don't like them making chars with such narrow niches. really limits how many theaters you can use them in.)

[violet mantle]

alrighty that makes sense

[quaint fern]

Allegedly tho, xilo c4 might be better than shenhe c6

[lyric cargo]

let me read xilo c4 😄

[violet mantle]

i just use my characters weirdly so i dont really care abt what theyre supposed to do. i just have fun

(my physical venti was a sin though)

[quaint fern]

It's just like shenhe

[lyric cargo]

she will grant all nearby party members the Blooming Blessing effect for 15s.
Nilou is that you?

[quaint fern]

Flat atk added to DMG formula based on def

[quaint fern]

OMG IM BLOOMING-

[lyric cargo]

oh, yeah

Characters with Blooming Blessing deal 65% of Xilonen's DEF as increased Normal, Charged, and Plunging Attack DMG. This effect will be removed after triggering 6 times or when the duration ends.

[violet mantle]

ooohh interesting

[lyric cargo]

zy0x watcher identified 😛

[violet mantle]

is xilonen worth pulling for (I think shes very cool and i have high pity but idk if i pull n win 5050 if shell actually be of use of me n if i should just keep saving for childe n go for her at a later date like furina?)

[quaint fern]

Probably worse than shenhe in melt (if c6 ganyu and C6 shenhe)

[lyric cargo]

it's a c4 though, so basically the cost of 5 characters ^^

[quaint fern]

But better in freeze from what I've been hearing?

Really hard to say

[opal surge]

wait how many hits does shenhe quill last

[quaint fern]

If c6 then normal and charged don't drain

[opal surge]

[lyric cargo]

she's quite a flexible buffer, similar to kazuha.
can also get pretty good when using both on the same team

[opal surge]

and wihtout c6?

[quaint fern]

5/7 if tap/held

[violet mantle]

oohh okay

[opal surge]

oh

[lyric cargo]

per character, right?
Chonyun team angle

[quaint fern]

Tap gives burst and skill DMG, hold buffs NA and CA

[quaint fern]

Yeah not like yunjin

Wait is xilo c4 6 TOTAL procs for the whole party?

[opal surge]

yeah

[quaint fern]

(not like it matters tho unless you na/CA with someone else)

[opal surge]

oh no

its 6 per character i misread that

but xilo c4 is kinda shit thats why im surprised

i calced it for mualani at some point let me see if i can find it

[quaint fern]

Yeah keep in mind that xilo c2 gives more dmg% than shenhe does

Although you lose the res shred that shenhe gives

[opal surge]

but cant you play shenhe with xilo in freeze

[wanton linden]

What's the easiest domain to farm 90 for 5* artifacts for boxing?

[quaint fern]

Yeah actually idk which way you do tbh

[opal surge]

i dont think its advisable to farm a domain purely based off of clear speed to get strongbox fodder, but if you really wanted to I guess MH/GT is fast

[quaint fern]

Ganyu/ayaka Furina xilo Kazuha/shenhe?

[opal surge]

Xilo C4 is like a 6% increase for mualani

[quaint fern]

I don't have her, is xilo healing sufficient for rina?

[opal surge]

yeah

well its like bennet but better

it depends on what you see as sufficient i suppose

[quaint fern]

Yeah idk, there's very few atk buffs here, the "flat" bonuses by xilo c4/shenhe help???

I'm interested to see which one tcers will find to be better

Actually scratch that it's probably kazuha

Both aya and ganyu in freeze want the grouping

[opal surge]

could be shenhe vs xilo

[quaint fern]

But then no cryo res

[opal surge]

well actually youd sac furina without xilo

[quaint fern]

Idk

[opal surge]

unless c6

[quaint fern]

:ballsdk:

I'll let tcers figure this out LOL

[opal surge]

can kazuha double swirl in freeze

[quaint fern]

Yeah

[opal surge]

oh fuck xilo then

[quaint fern]

With hold skill/burst but it might be hard to maintain hydro aura to double swirl

I can check next time I bring out my ganyu freeze team

I'm out rn tho so no can do

[opal surge]

whats ganyu rot

[quaint fern]

Rina E Q> ganyu skill CA (full charge) > Kazuha hEp Q > Charlotte Q tE > pass TTDS & feed particles ganyu Q E 3 CA

I think, might have been 4 CA at the end

Pretty sure it's 3

[opal surge]

is this one billion ER charlotte

[quaint fern]

Yeah pretty much LOL

I think I'm on 210? Rina should be on fav

For testing purposes you can just go fav Charlotte but you lose a lot when you don't have TTDS because you literally only have 20 atk% from noblesse

Surely ganyu rerun soon

[opal surge]

i dont own ganyu was just asking for rot to see if i can whip up a quick calc for xilo shenhe comparison

but i cba theres too much i dont know and that i cant test

[quaint fern]

Oh okay

[opal surge]

[quaint fern]

Yeah that one doesn't have shenhe LOL

Bc it's a rina team

[opal surge]

makes sense for xilo to be better if shenhe cant run proper teams

[quaint fern]

Idk the rotation for C6 rina either

[opal surge]

freeze is whatever anyway mavuika will save melt

[quaint fern]

TRUE

DEHYA PRO MAX ULTRA PLUS

[zenith thicket]

my friend wants a mualani team but has no kazuha or sucrose?
rn using benny mona xiangling but idk if thats rlly great or not

[opal surge]

bennet doesnt do anything for mualani

[zenith thicket]

yeah i know

just there to buff xiangling idrk who would even work in that 4th slot

[opal surge]

common teams for her are
mualani | xiangling | furina = yelan > candace > emilie > chiori (if zhongli) > mona | xilonen > kazuha > zhongli = sucrose = kachina

[zenith thicket]

kachina?
what does she do

[opal surge]

she applies scroll

and can provide geo construct for chiori

[zenith thicket]

i've barely played the natlan stuff idk what that is

would it work if i js replace bennet with kachina or smth

wasnt her artifact set a good support one?

[opal surge]

ya thats scroll

[zenith thicket]

how does it work

[opal surge]

https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Scroll_of_the_Hero_of_Cinder_City

[zenith thicket]

ty

mmm so would the rotation be like mona kachina xiangling mualani?

[opal surge]

mualani NA > kachina > xiangling > mona > mua

its worth getting rid of mona if possible though

[zenith thicket]

the only other five stars she has are arlecchino, dehya, and tighnari lol

[opal surge]

candace

[zenith thicket]

🤯

why not mona tho

she gives hydro res and the omen and doesnt kill pyro

[opal surge]

mona is just a bad unit, her e steals vapes, her q lasts too short, ttds doesnt do anything ofr mualani and if she doesnt e her and xiangling ER requirements die

shes not unuseable so if they want to use her they can, but I would replace if possible

[zenith thicket]

damn 😭

thats funny asf

[fierce oriole]

Guys is a 303 crit damge to 66 crit rate goon on neuvillette or should i go 240 crit damge to 90 crit rate ? I alr counted the hunter 36 plus crit rate

[quaint fern]

The 2nd one, if all else is equal

The quick and dirty way to do this is to convert your crit rate and DMG to decimal (100% =1.00) and then do CR*CD

You can derive this approximation if you take a weighted average of crit vs not crit

So yes, use your crit rate circlet

[cloud drift]

r1 amos bow or r5 slingshot for tighnari??

[quaint fern]

If you don't mind winning the 50/50 then that isn't building pity

Building pity does not exist

[strange scarab]

building pity is when you dont want the character at all

[quaint fern]

^

[neon harness]

[quaint fern]

Don't pull bruh

[dusty cape]

[wind bolt]

Never build pity

Im the clown who wanted sucrose and got 5x yinjin and a venti before 1 sucrose

[violet mantle]

Venti on top tho fr

[wind bolt]

Hes on an em set

A mid one at that

[lunar dagger]

If only I knew when arlecchino is rerunning

[quaint fern]

Ganyu and shenhe have been gone for over 500 days

[lunar dagger]

Me and my benched shenhe

Tried building her then realized I was ar 45

(I'm now ar 55 and my ayaka is still running 4pc lucky dog)

[timid silo]

hu tao mona ganyu + zhongli ok?

[haughty lotus]

No, send a picture of your character list

[neon harness]

no

depends on team

yes

@haughty lotus shelf

[haughty lotus]

Didn’t

[neon harness]

do

[haughty lotus]

Ask.

[neon harness]

bal

[haughty lotus]

ls.

[neon harness]

na

[strange scarab]

Mmm

[quaint fern]

cool it

[frozen obsidian]

Do we get anything if we get SS on these challenges?

Okay, the answer is no.

[elder bluff]

Achievements

[frozen obsidian]

Ah. Gotcha. Thanks!

[dark scroll]

hello guys, in a boss fight which Yae and fishcl which electro perform the best with neuvilette ?

[strange scarab]

fischl takes less field time and doesnt have beeg er needs

[jolly junco]

yae doesn't have er needs in a neuvillette team

you can just ignore her burst

[strange scarab]

Ou

i been building her wrong

[jolly junco]

the part about field time is true though

fischl should be a bit better unless yae constellations

[strange scarab]

wait im actually goated

this yae not build for agg

[lyric cargo]

my take:
if you don't want the 5★ at all, it has no value to you, then don't pull

however:
if the 4★s are good AND you'd take the 5★ at a discount, when it just isn't worth the full 74 - 80, then you can decide to stop at soft pity (73 wishes for character, 62 for weapon)

just know:
you're somewhat likely to get the 5★ and reset your pity, which is essentially losing wishes when the 5★ has no value at all

if you're low on stardust, only buy the 5 intertwined wishes. (getting the 5 standard banner wishes might cost you intertwined wishes next month.)

you should be able to afford both long-term if you play actively, though

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wwW12uQLCiw

getting Xilonen is just good for account value I'd say, since she makes good teams with many chars

[keen condor]

is nuvis weapon good or can i just mualanis weapon on him

[lyric cargo]

so should be worth some number of wishes
also good in overworld, unless you hate her design

[lyric cargo]

Mua's buffs normal attacks, but Neuv uses charge attacks

[keen condor]

still 88cd and 20% hp is good

[lyric cargo]

ah

[jolly junco]

tome is definitely better but you can use mualani's weapon on him

it is better than most alternatives anyway

[lyric cargo]

the way she does skill → 2 normal attacks, then goes off-field?

[frozen obsidian]

what do yo unot like about her kit?

[lyric cargo]

for overworld, she's basically a Yelan that can go up walls

I don't love some of it either, but for me it's function over form

movement utility saves time, when exploring

[frozen obsidian]

Odd thing to really hate, but to each their own.

[opal surge]

Strong feelings against skaters

[dusty cape]

they feel a bit random but maybe its explained in her character stories

[neon harness]

[woeful reef]

what is ayakas best team with c0 units?

[opal surge]

Ayaka kazuha furina Charlotte or Ayaka kazuha shenhe kokomi/mona ig

[jolly junco]

ayaka, neuvillette, furina, kazuha

[woeful reef]

figured it was between those two teams but dyk which one is atcually better in terms of damage

[woeful reef]

hmmm are u sure ayaka is the main dps anymore ☹️☹️

[jolly junco]

she certainly isn't here

[opal surge]

In terms of damage Ayaka shenhe kazu mona is probably highest, at the cost of being healerless, but that's me guessing

I don't actually know

[woeful reef]

yeah theres not much info abt it so ill prob stick to the shenhe team and use furina for smth else but ill test when i get furina next time she comes

[lyric cargo]

in theory there's Ayaka Shenhe Furina Xilonen now
but it has no grouping, and uses up two premium units that would alson be useful on the other side

[jolly junco]

it's not ideal but you can usually make up for lacking grouping on teams with good position, manipulating enemy movement

the team is probably one of the better single target options, you can kinda just build it assuming the enemy can't be frozen

so you're not bricked on bosses

[sick quarry]

my kinich is so cooked atm

[jolly junco]

true

[sick quarry]

ive gotten no good sands or circlets yet

[jolly junco]

the goblet and plume are good at least

you may want to consider using a different set for now

[sick quarry]

i have no other sets 😭

[jolly junco]

2 hp mainstats is going to brick your damage

[sick quarry]

i started last month and just put all my resin in codex

should i keep the goblet

[jolly junco]

yeah the goblet is good

[sick quarry]

i was thinking of changing it to an offset

or should i just switch smthn else

[jolly junco]

the sands, flower and circlet all need changing

[sick quarry]

ill check what i have then in those

this is all i have in other sets lmao so i doubt ill have anything

i know for a fact its the hp% fucking me over

[jolly junco]

if you can even get the right mainstat for the sands and circlet even if the substats are dogshit that is already a good improvement

the flower only has 2 good substats so it wont be difficult to replace either

[sick quarry]

i made a mistake tho and trashed a decent 4 star crit circlet because i got decent substats on a 5 star circlet, then remebered i forgot to check the main stat

thats when i found out it was hp lmao

[sick quarry]

oki doki

[sick quarry]

should i use the transmutator for one of them, i alr used my obsidan transmutation on goblet but i could do one more of another set

[jolly junco]

I don't think so yet

maybe when you already have 3 good pieces from the set

[sick quarry]

ok, should i try and get er, cr and cd for flower?

[jolly junco]

cr + crit damage > atk% > er% in terms of substat priority

[sick quarry]

ok

[nova swift]

Not as good as you

[sick quarry]

i hears sm1 say cr isnt as needed because of the codex bonus so is that wrong then?

[jolly junco]

Kind of

you still want to be at high crit rate when factoring in the codex buff

so up to 60% before the 4pc effect bonus

[sick quarry]

is 60 like a cap or smthn cause thats what i see people stopping arround

[jolly junco]

the set gives 40, 60 + 40 = 100%. this is the cap

[sick quarry]

ah that makes more sense i forgot maths exists

[jolly junco]

you can technically build crit rate above 100% it just doesn't do anything then

[sick quarry]

oki doki ty

[lyric cargo]

thankfully Kinich is a crit dmg ascension char (not crit rate)

staying under 100cr looks almost hard with crit rate ascension and codex

assuming 1 crit substat per artifact, and 4 cr rolls on the circlet

[sick quarry]

could this be good to put on him

as an off piece

[lyric cargo]

if it rolls into crit dmg, it's pretty good

if it rolls into crit rate, you might overcap (not sure how much cr you have right now)

[sick quarry]

oh boy am i lacking

[sick quarry]

current is not good

i never wanted that much hp

im just stupid

[nova swift]

Not as good as you

[sick quarry]

😭 2nd times the charm

[lyric cargo]

it's just the flower and circlet

once you get a crit dmg circlet, you should probably switch

probably as in, even with medium quality substats it's probably a big step up

[sick quarry]

sadly this is my only circlet rn that had crit dam

my tanky boy kinich does NOT need that extra hp

[opal surge]

[sick quarry]

should i still use the gladiator sand if it ends up crit dam? as my off piece

thats what it ended with

it drops my atk but boosts my crit damage by 6.2 and my crit rate by 6.6

well actually i guess it doesnt really drop my attack because of the mainstat

[neon wave]

yes
anything would be better than HP% mainstat, but that's solid

[lyric cargo]

looks good

[sick quarry]

ok sweet im putting that on and i guess ill try to fix circlet and flower

im completly outta fragil now tho which sucks but oh well

[lyric cargo]

the daily grinding begins

[sick quarry]

its gonna suck sm but im not paying my precious primos for it (furina needs em more 🙏 )

[sick quarry]

is it fine to switch the crit rate and damage on the circlet bcs i just got this one

or does it effect how much you can obtain?

[opal surge]

I'm out of the loop but I'm going to assume it's either for mualani or kinich?

[sick quarry]

kinich

[opal surge]

You should probably aim to run cdmg circlet for both, running crit rate heavily limits the amount of crit substats you can get on your build

Since you're almost crit capped by default

[sick quarry]

alr

[lyric cargo]

could be a very good off-piece for someone, so definitely keep an level it

[sick quarry]

oki

is this better then whats on currently? (right is my currently equipped)

[jolly junco]

ya

cr circlet with some overcap is much better than a useless mainstat

[sick quarry]

im finally getting somewhere with artifacts 😭

[jolly junco]

oh and the left flower is better too

[sick quarry]

Should i use my old flower to lvl my new one

[jolly junco]

If you meant that instead of the circlet

[jolly junco]

do you have and/or plan to pull mualani?

[sick quarry]

i doubt my old one will be used at all

[sick quarry]

nah

[jolly junco]

then just use it as fodder

[sick quarry]

oki

thank god its not mid

[jolly junco]

it is mid but its better still

[sick quarry]

yeah i meant as bad as the old one lmao

i mean atk being leveled wouldve been better but idc as long as there isnt a hp stat in sight

[lyric cargo]

crit has less diminishing returns than other stats, so generally you want your artifacts to roll into crit

with something like a goblet, if it has both crit rate and crit dmg, you have a 50% chance to roll into crit when leveling it up, as there are 2 crit substats and 2 noncrit substats

but you can't have something as a substat if it's already a main stat, so a crit circlet can only have one crit substat
so it becomes a 1/4 chance to roll into it

[wind bolt]

When 4 liner does it really have equal chance to roll stats

[sick quarry]

ah right that makes sense

[lyric cargo]

yeah, seems that way:
https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Artifact/Distribution

[lyric cargo]

this was with regards to that
started with a max-roll of crit dmg, and potentially it could roll into it 5x

[sick quarry]

should i try it then?

even if the other stats are mid

[lyric cargo]

you haven't leveled it yet?

[sick quarry]

nope

[wind bolt]

I always roll 4 liner circlets eith crit

[lyric cargo]

oh, I'd do so then yeah

[sick quarry]

should i use the stinky hp circlet as fodder

or should i keep as an off piece

[wind bolt]

[lyric cargo]

complicated question, most would probably say bad pieces are good for fodder

[sick quarry]

double def is hella anoying

[wind bolt]

1 crit rol line each oof personally i would fodder it. personally

[lyric cargo]

it's probably good to fodder it, for a new player

[sick quarry]

that hurts

[wind bolt]

Jeesh

[lyric cargo]

probably still better than what you had

[sick quarry]

anythings better then what i had

im at 61 crit rate now tho so

oops

[lyric cargo]

that's barely an overcap

[sick quarry]

66 i was looking at artifact only

[lyric cargo]

if you could trade crit rate for crit dmg, it'd be good

but it's still alright, compared to using the hp circlet

[sick quarry]

yeah ill still try for one

[lyric cargo]

personally I use bad +20 pieces for the artifact transmuter and bad +4 pieces for strongbox

because I do a daily artifact investigation route,
so I'm never short on artifact exp, and I never fodder 5-star artifacts as exp

players who don't do investigation routes would probably prefer using bad +4 pieces for the transmuter, and +20 pieces as artifact levelup fodder
using artifacts as fodder also saves mora (which I'm not short on either)

[sick quarry]

hes alot better then an hour ago atleast

[sick quarry]

ah thats fair ok

[lyric cargo]

if you find a plume that rolled more into crit dmg than crit rate, it'd be pretty good

even though that plume is good in terms of having 6 crit stats, it's more like 4 for you since you overcap crit rate

[split meadow]

do yall kno the name of that website i been looking forever and ever

[sick quarry]

which

[split meadow]

tihs

[sick quarry]

akasha.cv?

[split meadow]

i think so yeah wait lemme see

[lyric cargo]

enka: https://enka.network/

akasha is based on enka and adds leaderboards

[split meadow]

ohhh bet thank you mucho 🥹

[lyric cargo]

it can also tell you how much you gain from an additional substat roll
but it assumes a fixed team

[sick quarry]

yeah ngl i didnt know enka existed

whoops i replyed to wrong thing lmao

[sick quarry]

so should i change plume or circlet then?

[split meadow]

ngl i think my arle is solid just like i think she could be better

[forest venture]

starting with, her artifact se-

[wind bolt]

Using +4 instead of +20 is slightly more efficient if u care about how much xp you used for the piece vs what you get in transmutee

[split meadow]

man 😔

[lyric cargo]

yeah, it depends on what you'd otherwise do with it

if you don't use it for the transmuter, it's either fodder or strongbox

if it's fodder, +20 goes to fodder and +4 goes to transmuter
if it's strongbox, +20 goes to transmuter and +4 goes to strongbox

[sick quarry]

uh oh i just realised how much i neglected my poor raiden

[lyric cargo]

while you don't have a good crit dmg circlet,
you keep the crit rate one and maybe change the plume to avoid overcap

once you have a crit dmg circlet, you can decide based on what gives you a better crit ratio

[sick quarry]

oki doki

[lyric cargo]

an ideal crit ratio is any multiple of 1 : 2

taking into account all buffs, like the 40% crit rate from the set

so like 70% crit rate, 140% crit dmg

or 90% crit rate, 180% crit dmg

once crit dmg goes beyond 200%, crit rate should be 100%

[sick quarry]

so what should i try 60 cr to 130 crit dmg?

or boost it to 200

[lyric cargo]

is that including the +40%?

[sick quarry]

since it will be 100 with bonus

[sick quarry]

no i forgot to include it

[lyric cargo]

I assume it's 100 : 130 which is quite unbalanced

but it's better than hp% circlet for sure

[sick quarry]

welp im outta resin today now so i should probs do smthn else

is there other things to prioritize when i run outta resin?

[lyric cargo]

what's your adventure rank? getting that up will help

[wind bolt]

I never use +4 for strongbox i use them to roll 3 liners into 4 to see if i keep it or fodder again

[sick quarry]

48 atm

[wind bolt]

Coz there is no loss in arti xp for foddering +4 while u do lose at higher lvls

[lyric cargo]

yeah, you probably don't do investigation routes so you're low on artifact exp?

[wind bolt]

I do

[lyric cargo]

to level? there's actually always a ~20% loss

[wind bolt]

Not on a +4 piece tho? all higher lvls there is tho

[sick quarry]

im still technically on archon quest III but i skiped to natlan for primos so i guess i could do those

[lyric cargo]

if you're talking artifact transmuter, then yeah higher levels result in some loss

if you're talking exp fodder, you get back 80% of the exp used to level:
https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Artifact_EXP#Enhancement_Materials

[lyric cargo]

one thing to prioritize are events, they give primogems and a lot of other rewards for how long they take to do

but they're limited-time, so make sure not to miss them

(I still wait until the event fully unlocks, to do all of it in one sitting)

[wind bolt]

icl never incountered a +4 not being able to get the next piece to +4

[lyric cargo]

then there's the serenitea pot, there's free stuff every week if you remember to collect the realm currency

[sick quarry]

oh yeah i still need to get to lvl 8

[lyric cargo]

that's because of the 2520 in the screenshot above
you always get the base exp a 5-star artifact at +0 would give when consumed

basically the 2520 is bigger than the 20% of the exp needed for +4, that is lost

[lyric cargo]

there's also parametric transformer, which can be used once a week to get some stuff

can be annoying to remember though

[sick quarry]

where do you get that?

[lyric cargo]

it's a quest chain from an npc next to the Liyue adventurer guild

the same one that gets you access to the underground chasm secret area

[sick quarry]

ah ok

[lyric cargo]

oh, and I make sure to use the transient resin immediately upong buying
so there's no chance it expires

[wind bolt]

hot

[lyric cargo]

this one:
https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Lan

it's the last world quest in the chain, Tianqiu Treasure Trail

[sick quarry]

ah ok

should i use this in the artifact extraction or use it for an off piece

[lyric cargo]

I'd probably keep it until you have better off-pieces

there's one wasted roll, since it rolled hp% and atk% which are never useful at the same time

early on I expect anyone would be short on artifact exp, so using it as fodder is probably better than the transmuter

[sick quarry]

alr

[lyric cargo]

oh, and here's an artifact route if you want to try
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8M_s9IdsVM

it's probably more a thing when you've run out of quests / etc you can do

because getting to ar58 and max world level will help you save resin as well

it'll take less rounds of boss farming to fully ascend a char

[sick quarry]

ph sweet ty

[sick quarry]

and that makes sense ill try get up there quick then

[wind bolt]

Ive been doing a diff route but still hit the same 2 last areas + do the extra ones once per 2 days coz they respawn every 24h i believe

[lyric cargo]

yeah, the first 99 spots you can combine or exchange in any way you want

after the 100th, no additional spots spawn. so after 99 you go to an area with as many as possible in one place

either Khemenu temple in Sumeru desert
or Tataratsuna in Inazuma

using a dual route is to avoid the time drifting later and later every day

as some spots take 24h to respawn

[wide dirge]

Is this Mualani fine? No buffs or anything yet. Using R5 Windsth

[wind bolt]

Yuh but the extra ones after are 24h spots tho

[lime shore]

Yes]

[lyric cargo]

yeah, I don't do those so far

I suppose I could go them every other day without any downside

[lyric cargo]

enka card for better feedback, btw. could be that there's an artifact that's realistic to get an decent upgrade on, or not (we can't tell from ingame stats)

[heady ridge]

what stats should i go for with xilonen or should i just go for def and er?

[lyric cargo]

it depends on the weapon

if she has fav, crit rate is your most important stat

if she has her signature, you want 3200 def to max out its effect

beyond that, there's healing bonus / def% to increase her healing

[violet mantle]

hey guys

[wind bolt]

[heady ridge]

is husk ok for xilonen as a temp set before i get her good arti

[haughty lotus]

No

[lyric cargo]

I'd rather give her the first 4 scroll pieces you get, regardless of mainstats and substats
that's a teamwide 40 dmg% buff

[haughty lotus]

If you don’t have scroll it doesn’t matter what else you use

[wind bolt]

+0 4pc scroll is better even eith the wrong mainstats

[heady ridge]

👍 thanks just got back from a long break from genshin and just got xilonen

[strange scarab]

[wind bolt]

Balls

[haughty lotus]

guo

[wind bolt]

Chat is it time to farm a scroll set for chev

[elder bluff]

I just completed a round of artifact farming and oh boy, I got 70k+ mora from deleting them

should be good enough to replenish the lost mora over time

[lyric cargo]

you can also convert them to bottled exp now, though, at 0 loss

I guess it depends on which you need more

[elder bluff]

i need both, i guess

but mora first

[lyric cargo]

before 5.0, the amount of exp we could stockpile was capped by our free inventory for artfact fodder

now it's basically unlimited

I used to burn them for mora whenever I didn't have an artifact I wanted to level

now it's always bottled exp

so I guess I built a cushion of mora back then

[elder bluff]

from what I see, 125 1 star artifact equal 5 bottles of 10000 and 1 bottle of 2500

[lyric cargo]

sitting on 27m mora and this much exp now

[narrow folio]

I'd rather make xp bottles than mora

At some point, unless you literally level every character, you get a stockpile of mora

[elder bluff]

I went from 32m mora to 21m due to character building only

[lyric cargo]

I'd look at this number, that's the total artifact exp

a big bottle is 10k, a small bottle 2.5k
anything that doesn't fit neatly into that is stored and added the next time you use salvage

[elder bluff]

nah, try to add until you get 52500 exp

that is the least for no lost

anything below will lost you some

[lyric cargo]

I think I calculated that, and said that before without trying (I just assumed), but I was wrong

52500 would've been the lowest multiple of 2500 you can get

[foggy phoenix]

Which artifact set do I put on tighnari and which mainstats for circuit goblet and sands

[opal surge]

Wanderers troupe if a teammate holds deepwood, else deepwood, atk/em sands dendro goblet crit circlet

[wind bolt]

chat who can use this

[wind bolt]

same also lost like 10m mora

[haughty lotus]

Another piece can use the xp 😌

[wind bolt]

real

[wind bolt]

currently thinking of switching to scroll chev for just general use instead of nobless so in the case i ever run her with bennet in IT the buffs dont conflict

[haughty lotus]

I’d do it if you play them together in abyss, I wouldn’t worry about IT