📌gimshim-help

[forest venture]

yes

[opal surge]

Just keep her on favge no?

She's already holding it anyway

[forest venture]

i'd leave favge to xq if he's not c6, then craft sapwood for benny

[opal surge]

I mean give xq fav from Bennet and craft sapwood

I don't see any reason why you would R5 amenoma instead of just playing fav

[timid oxide]

give fav to her
Ameonoma to ayaka

[wide aurora]

okie

[lyric cargo]

billets could be valuable at some point
using them early doesn't seem that great, if it's not a very good use

[idle thistle]

This is what I currently have for my hu tao build since I am going to save up for her. I am working on finding a pyro goblet to replace the hp one and getting more EM. What else should I do? I am also considering if I should keep the deathmatch or if I should switch it to a r5 dragons bane

[timid oxide]

what team are you going to use her in?

[idle thistle]

Probably a vaporize team with xinqiu or yelan

[timid oxide]

oh you have yelan
then go with double hydro
switch deathmatch to dbane since you lack em for the current build

[idle thistle]

and then switch the circlet to a crit rate one? the other thing two is though I just got an em sands, would this change anything?

[timid oxide]

is it on set em san and good substats?

[idle thistle]

it is an on-set em sands with double crit, i haven't rolled it yet though

[timid oxide]

that would be good
hope it roll good
then yeah you can use death match and off set pyro goblet

[idle thistle]

Ok!

[narrow folio]

Hu Tao has CR ascension, you might overcap with this much crit rate

[wet plank]

She's cd asc

[timid oxide]

crit dmg

[narrow folio]

Who am I thinking about?

Yoimiya

Shit, my bad

[cloud siren]

could someone help me with c2 yelan showcase? i mean who should i put in team with her?

[rugged sparrow]

Furina Kaz at least

[opal surge]

• Pyro unit of your choice I guess

(or xiangling if you want to showcase onfield yelan)

[cloud siren]

thx!

yelan, furina, kazuha, xiangling is enough?

[rugged sparrow]

what do you wanna showcase, her vaped E dmg?

[cloud siren]

yes and maybe burst too

[rugged sparrow]

should be diff setup

[cloud siren]

i saw a lot with monas but i dont have her..

[rugged sparrow]

I mean Furina is better anyway

[cloud siren]

also on raiden is good?

[rugged sparrow]

Mona's (de)buff is 60%, while Furina's 75%

[cloud siren]

thank you

[opal surge]

You have to eat for fanfare though

[umbral sedge]

For buff that lasts more than 2 seconds

[narrow folio]

C6 Furina

Just spend $500

It's honestly a good investment

[quaint fern]

can you fund my c2 rina after I c6 ganyu

[narrow folio]

Sorry bro, gotta get my Mualani

[quaint fern]

shark rawr

[narrow folio]

Shork

[quaint fern]

oh yeah stream in like 34 hours

[narrow folio]

Very excite

Natlan

[wet plank]

Fellow shark enjoyer

[quaint fern]

I gotta save for chasca 😔

cryo once again has a chokehold on my primogems

[wide aurora]

can you all tell me if i’m cooking or if im crazy?

this is where i can ask about builds right?

[narrow folio]

Sure

[narrow folio]

Got Ellen in ZZZ, now I wait impatiently for Mualani

[quaint fern]

touch my tail

[narrow folio]

Uhh no

[wide aurora]

so WIP, rn i’m shifting stuff around. (proof of concept essentially)
have to go farming again.
raiden is on field dps
i’ll have to regain my 250 er but

[quaint fern]

uuuh her ER breakpoint should be the same as the catch

[wide aurora]

PWJS instead of catch r5.
mainly bc she’s mostly the on fielder/main dps rather than a support

[quaint fern]

220 shoud be enough

[wide aurora]

i thought it was 250?

[quaint fern]

you don't usually want more than 200-220 unless you have engulfing

but you can check with optimizer

[wide aurora]

OHHH, that makes more sense

[wet plank]

In hc can be lower than 200

Though I generally don't recco C0 hc raiden

[narrow folio]

I have a build where she's on Wavebreakers with 170 ER

[quaint fern]

these are just general breakpoints though, make sure to verify with optimizer

[quaint fern]

that's atk% sub right? you can probably get away with ER sands there

[narrow folio]

Uhh lemme check, my Raiden has been benched for a while

[wide aurora]

hc?

[wet plank]

Hypercarry

[wide aurora]

ah, i think the team comp im running is tazer or furina double hydro.
(don’t quote me) yelan, furina, raiden, jean

i call it the large hadron collider bc it needs an insane amount of particles

[wet plank]

Like 200-220 er with atk goblet would likely be preferred there

[wide aurora]

[narrow folio]

Yeah she's on an atk sands

[wet plank]

With your current build it'll be just swapping sands for er and gob for atk

[wide aurora]

okie

and getting a better crit dmg circlet.
eventually.
i hate emblem.

[wet plank]

[quaint fern]

yeah with furina + raiden passive + emblem you're overloaded on dmg%

[wet plank]

No atk buff too

[quaint fern]

atk goblet without EL feels so weird to see tho

[wet plank]

Even bennett buffless EL runs er atk

[lyric cargo]

queue the raiden goblet flowchart graphic

[wind bolt]

doesnt raiden prefer catch over jade at on field too

[wet plank]

Nah jade slightly better

[wind bolt]

skull

[wet plank]

Oppa benefits from catch much more than pajamas too fwiw

[quaint fern]

yk this whole thing could be simply solved if you just used optimizer

[wind bolt]

soss user for cook bear

[narrow folio]

What being a Yoimiya main does to a mf

[wide aurora]

so energy recharge or electro damage

[quaint fern]

er/atk/crit

[wide aurora]

GAWD DANG,
now its searching for good attack & er pieces

[wide aurora]

looking for off pieces and i may have to go back to the mines

[lyric cargo]

I stopped farming the emblem domain the moment we got strongbox 😅
nobody I value wants shime 4pc

nowadays I feel like there are so many good things to strongbox

back then, I did emblem for ages

my raiden is usually on her hyperbloom / full EM build now

[wide aurora]

i was just wondering if i’m on the right track & if i should focus on
electro dmg/atfack/ crit damage or something else.
i’m trying to polish my team

[quaint fern]

@wide aurora we think this will be the ideal mainstats

[wide aurora]

thank you!

[quaint fern]

Jus aim for 200 er, and then as much crit and atk as possible

[wide aurora]

okie

[rotund lotus]

So I did the Ascension Level 4 quest thinking it was no problem since I could just lower my WL back afterwards.

Now I am at WL 7, and when I try to revert my WL, it says:

Revert WL:
7 ----> 8
Implying that 8 is the original WL, when I have never reached 8?

I just wanted to go back to 6 and now I'm like, frick, I messed up. My characters are not geared enough for WL 7.
What do?

[neon wave]

At AR55 you automatically go to WL8

Looks like you had already lowered your WL

[lyric cargo]

you could ask in #👥gimshim-coop to get help with domains, once you've farmed enough artifacts you can probably make it work

[rotund lotus]

Ohhh, so, I can't bring it back to WL 6, can I?

[lyric cargo]

I think I'd prefer asking for help over lowering my world level (which also lowers drop rates, making account growth slower)

[rotund lotus]

Fair point

[neon wave]

Nope, either 7 or 8

[rotund lotus]

thank you, this is good advice

[rotund lotus]

thank you

[rigid bobcat]

Which one's better for alhaitham, the team is Althaitham, Nahida, Yelan, Kuki

[lyric cargo]

What Nilou team has the best survivability? Probably something with a shielder + Kokomi?

I was watching somebody do a run, and letting my hp bars go this low doesn't seem appealing 😅

on the other hand, pulling Kokomi just for one team seems a bit wasteful. Maybe Baizhu + Ayato

[modern folio]

helloo, what is the substitute for eula?

[lyric cargo]

substitute?

physical damage dealers aren't in a great place, afaik

[modern folio]

i just want to play some shenhe teams

[forest venture]

H y p e r f r i d g e

[lyric cargo]

maybe Wriothesley teams, maybe Ayaka teams, maybe wait and see what cryo units come out..

I think I heard Wrio has good teams without her, and she's competing for a slot

Ayaka wants her, but you're limited to just freeze

maybe that's Shenhe's fate, I don't know

[modern folio]

ok thank you

[lyric cargo]

100% wait and see what others will say, I'm just responding now because that might take a while

but there are more qualified opinions than mine, here

I like versatile units with many teams, so I haven't pulled any cryo chars so far

I like Wrio more than Ayaka because he has melt and freeze (as opposed to just freeze)

but Shenhe's less of a constant partner to him than to Ayaka I think

[rigid bobcat]

guys world level 9 is getting added 😱

[lyric cargo]

time to immediately stop all boss farming, for people who got ar58

assuming it'll be more resin efficient after the update

[rigid bobcat]

wait, the chances of getting 3 boss drop increases as well, right?

[simple pond]

would bennett or jean be better in this team?

cause i get 25% atk bonus for pyro res but jean is a better healer for fanfare. who would buff my tao more

[lyric cargo]

(the screenshot shows the WL increase is at ar58)

[lyric cargo]

I think it says 3 are guaranteed

[rigid bobcat]

its also good because it makes the overworld less easier

[lyric cargo]

Ideally Xianyun, I believe

You can't swirl pyro with just Hutao since her skill doesn't stay active if you switch

but swirling hydro is also pretty good

[simple pond]

i just mean in the team in general, id prob use vv on jean tho

would bennett or jean be better

[rigid bobcat]

does bennett even work with hu tao

[simple pond]

idk

[opal surge]

bennet and jean are both fine in this team

bennet is more personal damage for hutao jean is more team damage

[simple pond]

who would be better overall?

[opal surge]

basically the same iirc

[simple pond]

ok

[quaint fern]

You can also use her in mono

[lyric cargo]

especially when enemies are immune to freeze

[lyric cargo]

I feel like the Jean version gives more quality of life

no need to switch around and make sure everyone gets some healing

no circle impact

[rigid bobcat]

Should i get his normal attack talent 🆙 ❓

[quaint fern]

https://tinyurl.com/genshinbuilds

tldr: yes

[rigid bobcat]

it doesnt work like ayato skill?

[opal surge]

Wdym

Youre not entering a special state youre just normal attacking

and your skill does damage every now and then

[rigid bobcat]

i thought the normal atk dmg scales of the skill like ayato's

what did i do wrong on furina for it to say 226% ER

[quaint fern]

click on it

needs to be salon members iirc

[rigid bobcat]

1 or 3 salon members

[opal surge]

1

[rigid bobcat]

it remains the same

[opal surge]

rotation length is bit longer but its solo hydro with no favs

its ~correct

[quaint fern]

you also have two other errors, but yeah 220 is pretty average for single hydro no fav

[opal surge]

furina just needs high ER

[quaint fern]

give her fav

that's what i'd do tbh

[rigid bobcat]

but i got her signature :(

[quaint fern]

I guess this is as fast as I'm clearing without cons on rina 😔
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/786025543698087968/1273138289011851286/4.8_abyss_2.mp4?ex=66be2ead&is=66bcdd2d&hm=44972eef3b4a68db4feb93c306ea6ad4b7c3015f7f9e4b2e93d125922d71e77e&

[quaint fern]

yeah bad idea, cons up until c3 and c4 are better than sig

play her in double hydro then

just don't use rina in solo hydro with sig because that's asking for a bad time

I suspect you'll need fav + ER sands

[opal surge]

its fine with 200 with favge

[quaint fern]

yeah if you get good enough er substats you can go hp sands + fav

[rigid bobcat]

i know c1>signature, but the weapon looks so good on her

[quaint fern]

but i don't think you're going to ever get enough ER on substats to make sig work without gimping your dmg

at that point, running fav is probably a dps increase

[rigid bobcat]

my 2 options i got for that team are yelan or furina, both i got their signatures just to not use them ;(

[quaint fern]

just pull cons

yelan with sig and two skills/rotation should be fine

actually yelan might be a bit tight, idk

[rigid bobcat]

im just gonna use yelan with r5 fav

[quaint fern]

if you really want to use both sigs, use them together in a double hydro core or smth

like in some vape team
or you can go double hydro double geo with noelle on field driver

[rigid bobcat]

i might try ur team

[quaint fern]

or kokomi on field

[rigid bobcat]

do u have any constellations on ganyu or refinements

[quaint fern]

c1 amos

[rigid bobcat]

same

[quaint fern]

furina is c0 fav, kazuha is c0 r5 xiphos, charlotte is c1 r5 ttds

[rigid bobcat]

can i use furina with her signature and have like 160% er on that team?

[quaint fern]

I wouldn't

ER reqs are already very high

[opal surge]

Theyre higher than on the alhaitham team no? at least if kazuha isnt on r5 xiphos

[quaint fern]

this is with fav on kauzha

[rigid bobcat]

this works off field?

[quaint fern]

no

if you make furina's skill a more conservative 0.25 particles/sec then you get 202 in this team

[quaint fern]

but you usually have sufficient with default settings

[quaint fern]

I prefer fav on rina for this team

[rigid bobcat]

what about the althaitham team, furina or yelan?

[quaint fern]

you're not getting enough energy on furina without fav in that team unless you have her c4ed

go fav

[rigid bobcat]

yea

furina r5 fav or yelan r5 fav

[quaint fern]

doesn't really matter

it just changes the dps distribution of the team, yelan = more hyperbloom dmg
furina = more haitham dmg

i don't know if one is prefered over the other

new abyss soon 😔

I don't want to try for faster clears, could have been one sec faster if I wasn't interrupted smh

(quality is trash because potato pc + I had to pass it through handbreak to compress)

I probably just need to mess with obs settings a bit more

let me try nvenc

[lyric cargo]

going to +20 in one go?

I keep giving it half of what's left, so I don't lose anything if I get a 2x enhancement

[sour birch]

bro enhances his artifacts in the form of a logarithmic function 😭 is it really that deep

[hot spoke]

It adds to the excitement I guess

[hot spoke]

They're probably just suggesting that cause almost everyone will get no fodders left after a while

[narrow folio]

About time, sick of this lector shit

[hot spoke]

Imagine if it's 4 magu kenkis with some lectors/j

[neon harness]

[forest venture]

https://tenor.com/view/nahida-clap-genshin-impact-kusanali-gif-26781743

[sharp saddle]

damn, too good

[quaint fern]

Not really

Good clear is like sub 1 min

Team issue 😔

Maybe I'll try giving Charlotte more ER so I can skip hold e

But then she's at 220

[narrow folio]

Not even 300

[sharp saddle]

i can't do sub 1 min so it's good for me

wellllll maybe i can but not with what i use

[quaint fern]

you've got me out here burning fragiles so i can strongbox

i literally don't have good enough alternative pieces to run her at 220

that's what it gives me when I put in 220

[sick quarry]

how do i empty this

[strange scarab]

albedo story quest

[frozen obsidian]

how do i get through this?

[rugged sparrow]

have u finished the world quest in broken seas area

[frozen obsidian]

Ah. I'll take care of that then. Thanks!

[zinc shoal]

what's a good anemo dps to invest on?

[forest venture]

Show characters

[zinc shoal]

i dont have any anemo lol

that's why i said invest on

[forest venture]

xiao, wanderer, and heizou so far

but you'd find kazuha really usable in many, many teams and deal loads of dmg even as a swirl support

[zinc shoal]

well i heard raiden and kazuha is going to be together in a banner

so which one

[forest venture]

idk where you get that rumor from, but i'd suggest you pull for who you truly like if meta/account improving isn't your taste
(but if i want more value, i'd pull kazuha > raiden)

[zinc shoal]

honestly i just pull characters that i think that would help me in spiral abyss floor 12

[forest venture]

okay pull kazuha

[quaint fern]

well we'd need to see your roster first

but kazuha is always good

[forest venture]

they once asked who to get for anemo dps, but i directed them to kazuha since he does both dmg and buffs as a support

[strange scarab]

no leaks here btw

[zinc shoal]

im cooked then

[zinc shoal]

what is roster again? main team?

• navia, zhongli furina clorinde

[quaint fern]

your whole character roster

and that team is pretty bad btw

[zinc shoal]

yeah i know

[quaint fern]

unless you just want to use navia as double geo burst bot 😔

[zinc shoal]

i took a break for a year and a half so i have limited characters

give me a moment to screenshot my characters lmao

[zinc shoal]

yes i benched two potential dps

[quaint fern]

no fischl 😔

you can just go smth like clorinde kirara furina flex

i'd probably go sucrose as the flex but it's up to you

[zinc shoal]

how about for navia?

[elder bluff]

zli benny xling

[quaint fern]

true

again: no fischl

every electro on fielder is just a fishcl driver

buy fischl when she's back in shop

[zinc shoal]

im a gambler ngl

i rather wait for her on the banner than buy

[quaint fern]

back in january 😔

[zinc shoal]

I think clorinde gets her burst easily

[quaint fern]

it's not that

you lose so much damage by not having fischl

[zinc shoal]

i dont have her okay!!!

[quaint fern]

fischl almost does as much dmg as clorinde herself ICANT

https://gcsim.app/db/mdmKghRrzRpn

[zinc shoal]

what in the statistics is this

[forest venture]

it proves that fischl can almost have same contribution as clorinde

[narrow folio]

Just replace Clorinde with Bennett

[wet plank]

Tf sacs clor damage for better team damage yeah

If you run fhw and use burst clor pulls ahead, though that's mainly for agg

Qb rot specifically wants tf to fit 2Es in furi burst uptime

[neon halo]

How good is black sword on ayayo

?

[umbral sedge]

Decent

[neon harness]

Ayayo

[rigid bobcat]

arlecchino c1 or signature weapon is better

[neon harness]

Not as decent as you

[umbral sedge]

[silk mango]

Depends on what other weapons u have for her

[rigid bobcat]

DeathMatch 🥶

[silk mango]

Signature will be better

[jolly junco]

the damage increase is very similar then

c1 has the added benefit of giving resistance to interruption

but sig has the benefit of having an actual scythe for a weapon visually instead of a piss scythe

[rigid bobcat]

what does full CA stand for

[jolly junco]

delete it

it is a remainder from another character who was in that slot, it doesn't apply to yelan

[rigid bobcat]

but thats illegal

[jolly junco]

it's only one bennett skill

yelan should use favonius

arlecchino can burst when you need healing but otherwise it's not worth using

kazuha doesn't burst

[elder bluff]

still too high ER for that team

[jolly junco]

what do you mean?

[elder bluff]

192 ER arlecchino is insane

[opal surge]

Arle doesn't burst every rota

[jolly junco]

arle's er requirement here is 0

[rigid bobcat]

Edit number of rotations between bursts

[elder bluff]

she should need like 110-120 at most

[jolly junco]

there's no need to though because kazuha is not using burst and arle should only use it when you need healing

but sure

[rigid bobcat]

Does having c1 yelan make up for no fav bow?

[cedar flint]

the 200%+ er for every character but arle is wild

[jolly junco]

for kazuha its not really there

[jolly junco]

the rotation length is too short to use 2 skills every rotation

but kind of unless your dps sucks

the thing is yelan doesnt do much damage in this team anyway

well, a lot less than some other teams lets say

[rigid bobcat]

is aqua simulacra usable in at least like 50% of the teams without c1?

[jolly junco]

yes I think so but i dont have a list of every reasonable team to use yelan in memorised

if you are fast at character swaps then arle's particles can be funneled to yelan

[unkempt river]

Any estimates on how much we'll earn on 5.0 1st half? I got 44 pity atm but I need MORE...

[elder bluff]

there is none

[opal surge]

If I had to guess it's probably ~50ish

[unkempt river]

First half alone?

[opal surge]

The majority of a patch's pull is usually available during the first half already, yes

I can't imagine the first natlan patch having less than 50 first half, including Nathan exploration

But this is of course speculative

[rugged sparrow]

50 sounds like a fair speculation

1. Natlan exploration
2. IT reset
3. main event (assuming it's first half) and 1 side event (?)
4. livestream codes (tomorrow) + maintenance compensation
   

[amber raft]

hp goblet or hydro on furina

[opal surge]

generally speaking pre c2 hp goblet c2+ hydro

[umbral acorn]

I wanted to do the tsurumi island quest but after clearing the fog with these trees and going back to Narukami Island the quest just finished and I dont have any other quests on tsurumi island. Have I finished it or do I need to accept a new quest somewhere?

[lyric cargo]

You'll get a new one every daily reset

if you search for the quest on the fandom wiki, you should be able to see how many time gated parts there are

[tame dome]

guys, may I ask? Does Emilie skill can trigger her C1 effect?

[forest venture]

yes

[tame dome]

with her C1, her A1 passive should have trigger much faster right?

I have guarantee and my choice are between C1 Emilie or Kinnich. So far I enjoy using Emilie so much

[quaint fern]

We don't know what kinich does

Wait for live stream in about 14 hours

[forest venture]

she still gets 1 scent (separately) for every 3 seconds

[lyric cargo]

you can also wait and decide again when she has a rerun

generally, character pool is more important than constellations (especially early on)

and waiting more towards the end of a banner (when you have more information) is also an option

[wind bolt]

On who can wolf fang serpent spine and fjord be used on?

This is my box

[tame dome]

oh? I thought with her C1 can generate additional scent? so it's not?

[forest venture]

the scent from c1 is different from the scent in skill, so they give you scent separately

you just get more scent from c1 every 3 seconds

[tame dome]

so it didn't make the A1 passive faster? hmm kinda disappointing

[forest venture]

it just makes your skill get to level 2 quickly, then the scents are there for the skill to stay at level 2

[tame dome]

I see, then I'll go for Kinnich. If it was make her A1 faster, I would pull for C1

thanks everyone for responding my question

[wind prism]

teams?

[quaint fern]

all your teams will be jank because you've three pyro dpses who all want bennett ICANT

idk you can try mono pyro?

arle XL thoma/layla anemo

well layla makes it not mono pyro but you aren't going to melt very many hits so it might was well be mono

(layla will probably melt her own hits = zero dmg )

[sour birch]

and only 2 hydro characters who happen to be barbara and hydro traveler

[quaint fern]

i mean you don't HAVE to play vape but yeah

it doesn't help that they don't have xinggiu/yelan/furina

[lyric cargo]

are Candace, Barbara, Xingqiu really the only ones?..
maybe we'll get more hydro 4-stars when we go to the hydro region

[quaint fern]

true

we definetely won't get a 4 star disguised as a 5 star

nope

[lyric cargo]

(Sigewinne?)

[dusty cape]

[sour birch]

yes sadly

i have all of them built as dps

[icy ingot]

I need help in farming furina boss

UID: 889984646

[rigid bobcat]

opinion on arlecchino yelan furina zhongli team?

[opal surge]

its pretty bad

[rigid bobcat]

why?

[opal surge]

furina stops being a character afer the first rotation

your entire team will be stuck at 50% hp, she loses damage on E and she generates next to no fanfare

even if you eqe on arle at the start of every rotation furina will still only generate 50 fanfare over the entire rotation afterwards

[rigid bobcat]

oh

[vagrant kayak]

does anyone know how to do this bs

nvm i did it

[surreal birch]

does anyone know what time does the 5.0 livestream event in southeast asia

[quaint fern]

Version 5.0 Special Program

The Version 5.0 Livestream will be available on <t:1723780800:f>, <t:1723780800:R>!
Times automatically adjusted for your time zone

View it on the official Twitch or YouTube channels!

[surreal birch]

ohhh okay thankss

[forest venture]

new spiral abyss

pma, rifthounds, and eremites 1st
tulpa, local legend and legatus 2nd

[sterile nova]

.findore

[river parcel]

Is the entire event out for energy amplifier

[river parcel]

Wrong channel

[forest venture]

only one level is time locked

[nocturne fjord]

Can someone please tell me
What's the better circlet for Clorinde Crit Rate or Crit DMG ?

[shadow lynx]

CD Circlet if you build right

[river parcel]

depends on your stats. if you dont have good crit rate on her, then go with crit rate.

if you have enough crit without crit helm, then go cd helm

[quaint fern]

She gets 19.2 CR from ascension + 20 from passive

Usually you're running CD circlet unless all of your artifacts are crit dmg heavy

Weapon choice also matters

For instance jade cutter is 33 CR iirc

With Jade you're at a baseline 77 CR

there's no way you're using a CR circlet there

[neon harness]

[forest venture]

🤨

[nocturne fjord]

How I make CD circlet ?

[wind bolt]

Do i farm gilded or strongbox tf i run dm on him normally

[calm atlas]

your em is pretty low

and you wanna get rid of a bit of crit rate for crit damage

if you have other characters that need gilded or deepwood farm it

if you don't you can stick with thundering

also just gonna say that cyno is simply a lot worse than both raiden and clorinde

[wind bolt]

Oof

[limber yacht]

Tips pls

[forest venture]

it's good for now, but get a crit rate circlet and improve your artifacts after your talents assuming you're ar 45-50

[limber yacht]

49 rn

What lvl do I get my talents to

[forest venture]

skill at 9

[limber yacht]

nine!?!?!? please tell me that also doesn't apply to na

[lyric cargo]

no, Fischl deals most of her damage with her skill

you can level the burst to like 6 since that much isn't too expensive, and leave the NA at 1

I'd even suggest crowning the skill if you use her regularly, but that's later when you have the mora lying around

[limber yacht]

It's at 2 brah

[lyric cargo]

sorry, I meant crowning the skill. Don't crown the bust

[limber yacht]

No the na is 2

[lyric cargo]

ah, no matter
lvl2 costs basically nothing

you pretty much don't use her NA, unless you have polar star on her. Fischl is just skill (or bust) to summon Oz, and then you switch to another char

[lyric cargo]

(I meant the typo I made in the message I sent before, it's already fixed though)

[limber yacht]

I use her in co op sometimes so I would like her burst just a bit higher to do some extra dmg

Not burst na

[lyric cargo]

hmm, ideally you'd bring someone else if you're limited to 1 char

she's not a great on-fielder

her artifact set also gets weaker when she's on-field, I'd say it's safe to say she does less damage on-field

[silk mango]

The stream starts in 2 hours right?

[nova swift]

I thought it starts in 9.5 hours

[silk mango]

Ok

[neon harness]

@silk mango its in 1 hour

[neon harness]

They changed the live steam time for some reason this time

[nova swift]

Oh

[strange scarab]

X.0 update methink

what an ass schedule

i switched my shift for this damn thing

only to not be able to stream it

[neon harness]

😔

[neon harness]

Stream started 😼

[dusty cape]

I will wait for codes before bedge ig

[quaint fern]

i'm so dead this patch

capitano = cryo????

[random marten]

sword user !

[neon harness]

2SMTYV59TLFD
First code

[quaint fern]

7SMTGV59BLXH

2nd

why is kauzha back 😔

didn't he literally just get a banner

[random marten]

wait who got annouced for reruns

[quaint fern]

raiden kazuha

[quaint fern]

#554984861748822016 message

[random marten]

ouuu i see, thanks!

[quaint fern]

8T4TGDLRA5E5

last code

22-24 characters for theatre is crazy

[neon harness]

5.0 stream
Codes:
2SMTYV59TLFD
7SMTGV59BLXH
8T4TGDLRA5E5
Banners
First half : mualani, kazuha
Benny, xinyan, kachina
2nd half : kinichi, raiden
Notes:

• fate points reduced to 1
• free standard 5 star every anniversary
• free kachina
• you can now roll artifacts with a specific main stat and 2 specific subs

[quaint fern]

I sent this in the wrong channel

[neon harness]

Mualani weapon so cute xd

[hot spoke]

Do we still get mora from the artifacts after 5.0

[gleaming crypt]

did livestream mention anything about reputation changes?

[quaint fern]

story quests will be locked to rep

[gleaming crypt]

did they confirm that the weekly requests and bounties no longer being a thing after maxed or nah?

[quaint fern]

that was confirmed via dev discussion post?

[gleaming crypt]

yea i know just wondering if they confirmed it again
sad news for newer players ig 😔

[lime shore]

Reducing fate points is very nice

[simple pond]

wait so when you roll it its like guaranteed to roll into cr and cd?

[neon harness]

Nope, it’s just that the 2 stats will be on the artifact, the rolls and the other 2 stats will be the same as always; rng

[simple pond]

im so confused....

you mean that if you select it cr and cd will def be on the artifact right?

[neon harness]

Yes, which ever 2 stats you choose to be on the artifact will def be there, lemme grab the stream ss rq, one sec

[simple pond]

and then the main stat u can select too?

doesnt that seem kind of op?

[opal surge]

cant wait to craft myself an onset goblet with double crit and +27% defense

[simple pond]

FR

[opal surge]

thats gonna go so hard

doesnt that seem kind of op?
it is yeah

[lime shore]

Will they give us 5 star chars for past anniversaries?

[neon harness]

No

[lime shore]

Sad

[opal surge]

[lime shore]

I'd give them the cakes

[opal surge]

okay bro wants 4 5*s at once

[lime shore]

Why not

[simple pond]

im gonna go for keqing

not best main dps but she sfun so

[opal surge]

Im getting dehya con

[neon harness]

deciding between c4 tighnari or jean cons

[simple pond]

essentially, by sacrificing 100 artifact levels u can craft one artifact like that????

[neon harness]

I want that c4 Jean

[lime shore]

C4 Jean has a priority imo

[neon harness]

Ig so?

[simple pond]

yeah sorry i was having trouble understanding

[neon harness]

It seems like 100 levels for 1 bottle, and then you use the bottle to craft the artifact

I’m not 100% sure either

[simple pond]

hm

that would make it a bit more balanced

[lime shore]

At least old bad artifacts have their use now

Ain't keeping that 30% def sand no more

[simple pond]

yeah.

also, i can get a pyro dmg goblet with crit stats for my tao finally!!!!!

[neon harness]

watch the new artifact roll all def with the double crit stats not being rolled at all

[forest venture]

just get close to c6 tighnari

🤠 🤠

[neon harness]

🤠

[lime shore]

Ahh don't jinx it

I can see it happening now

[forest venture]

you can't change the fate of artifact rolls, but you can change the fate of the artifact itself, by deleting it

[lime shore]

Better be ready ig

[strange scarab]

Kinich xingque nahida raiden hows this

[forest venture]

fischl will still deal more than 40% of the team dmg

[atomic abyss]

Should I go c1 or c0r1 Raiden/kazuha

[lyric cargo]

for me it's between Mona (so I finally have a crafting discount on weapon ascension mats)

and Tighnari because he has the best c6, if I go with "I'll get one copy of Mona eventually"

I feel like it should be the latter

my Tighnari is only at c1 though, if I don't also lose to him it'll take 5 anniveraries

[scarlet orbit]

I'm getting back into genshin for natlan, but I'm only halfway through inazuma. How long would it take to catch up on everything? With dialouge skipping/spamming

[opal surge]

if you do only main quest, interludes and the SQ required for the interludes maybe 35 hours?

if you do all world quests etc maybe 100+

Oh wait with skipping i read without for some reason

then maybe idk 10-15 hours

[rare iron]

Nah, at least one day of gameplay

[lyric cargo]

pray for hoyo to introduce better dialogue skipping with 5.0, even though the dev discussion didn't mention anything 🙏

[jolly junco]

in ZZZ there's a skip function for story dialogue

[opal surge]

thats because Z's is the goat

[jolly junco]

and a pity counter on the banners

[opal surge]

tbf I wouldnt be skipping in genshin anyways, nor do I in ZZZ so I dont personally care

[jolly junco]

with archon quests and story quests I too would not be skipping, but for world quest dialogue I definitely would

[neon harness]

depends on how often you use tighnari ig, idk

[lyric cargo]

I don't use him at all, maybe I would if he was c6

[opal surge]

thats fair

[neon harness]

can’t relate tho, c4 Mona c3 nari

[opal surge]

Would be nice if they implemented it like ZZZ where you can skip but you can also rewatch any story content at any time so you can just watch it later

[neon harness]

if ur not using him already id just go for Mona imo

[lyric cargo]

I suggested they do it like Zelda TotK
they kinda did, with the ability to read back

but no skipping

[lyric cargo]

problem is he's so single-target locked, and I don't have Yae

[jolly junco]

I wouldn't pick mona

well I'm somewhat biased against mona

but I don't think she's a good or useful character

[lyric cargo]

the teams I can build for him are kinda scuffed unless there's an abyss enemy like Thunder Manifestation or Seahorse

I don't think I particularly need any standard chars or constellations
maybe c4 Jean if I ever get an anemo carry

[opal surge]

Dehya is like kinda useable at c1 as dps no?

[jolly junco]

realistically if you don't play a freeze team then what are you gonna use mona for even

and freeze teams are not even good rn given the abyss lineups we get

and even in freeze teams she isnt the best hydro

unless you're into tiktok damage showcases then forget everything I said

[lyric cargo]

yeah, I associate Mona mostly with damage per screenshot showcases

which I don't really do

[scarlet orbit]

10-15 hours just main quests or also main world quests

[jolly junco]

yes

not a good dps but usable at least

[wet plank]

Dehya dps

Surely

[jolly junco]

c0 dps dehya using mona could actually struggle to max star abyss

[wet plank]

C0 dehya dps

[jolly junco]

the best hydro for dps dehya is no surprise, furina

[opal surge]

Useable is good enough for me

Shes cool enough to warrant play then

[cedar flint]

finally getting dehya

[lyric cargo]

I'd say theater somewhat increased the value of those standard 5-stars

for accounts that don't have a ton of each element yet

(no standard geo 5-star, though)

[brittle cipher]

wait can you actually get a free 5*

[sour birch]

but i have cons and use ayaka

[sour birch]

unless they said something in the 5.0 stream about the future, there is currently no free 5 star given out

[brittle cipher]

dahm tiktok lied to me 😞

[sour birch]

firsthand lesson in general media literacy

[opal surge]

you will get a free 5* in 5.0 yes

[brittle cipher]

OMG THANK YIU

[sour birch]

ok in my defense i didn't watch the stream

which is why i said "unless they said something in the 5.0 stream about the future"

[elder bluff]

get info from tiktok is the dumbest thing I've ever heard of

[brittle cipher]

i mean it just showed up on my for you page 😞

[ripe parrot]

is this ok for YaoYao?

[jolly junco]

EM isn't a relevant stat on yaoyao unless you're using her in a nilou bloom team

[ripe parrot]

this it my YaoYao

[jolly junco]

okay

[ripe parrot]

is the hp good enoght?

[jolly junco]

if she heals enough

[ripe parrot]

how can I get her to heal 3k/tick now she heels 1700/tick

[jolly junco]

more hp, healing bonus, higher skill talent level

I assume it is skill you are talking about

3k skill heal ticks is very high investment though

that is what I do with hp/hp/healing bonus, desert sages, talent level 12 skill, 4pc ocean hued clam

[ripe parrot]

now is my heal 1814/tick

[rare basin]

can anyone give me 2 team comps 🙏

[ripe parrot]

Team 1 Bennet, XL, Raiden, Sara?

but than is harder you need elemental reactions

[neon harness]

Nahida xingqiu raiden flex (hyperbloom team)
Rizzly/arle xiangling Benny anemo/flex

Nari Lisa fisxhl yaoyao/kirara/nahida is another option for after you build the ones you haven’t built

[rare basin]

is sucrose a good option for anemo?

[neon harness]

Yes, very good option, I don’t see her in ur ss tho, or am I blind

[wind bolt]

How build jean?

[opal surge]

wait im cooked wtf

[cedar flint]

vv set

[opal surge]

[cedar flint]

a lot of er and atk

[cedar flint]

they want me to build even more characters

[opal surge]

i cant fill 22 on any element combo like

[cedar flint]

I can’t fill enough for hard they want me to fill now for this???

[atomic abyss]

I wanna kms since I'm such a perfectionist and I have to get even more characters to level 70 (not including qiqi I hate her)

[cedar flint]

just build all characters to 80/90

[wind bolt]

if it were to ever become geo/anemo/dendro its kinda over for me

[cedar flint]

it won’t

none of those elements react together

[wind bolt]

thank the lords

[atomic abyss]

I'm fine with anemo and dendro, but geo is a different story since all I have is a gorou and gmc

[wind bolt]

ningguang noelle?

[atomic abyss]

Those included

I forgor

[wind bolt]

yunjin

[atomic abyss]

Nonexistent for some odd reason

[wind bolt]

sad

[atomic abyss]

Exactly

[neon wave]

same

[lyric cargo]

yeah, seems they want us to go super wide

[opal surge]

[atomic abyss]

Happy mora, exp books, and character material grinding on 5.0

[opal surge]

at least we get wl 9

[atomic abyss]

Can't even get wl 9 since I'm one lvl away from it

[lyric cargo]

counting mine:
9 anemo
5 geo
8 electro
6 dendro
6 hydro
7 pyro
8 cryo

need like 7 + 7 + 8
I could do it for anemo + electro + pyro / cryo
but idk if actually clearing will be realistic, with so many chars I'd be just dragging along

[atomic abyss]

Wait what website or smth did you use? I kinda need that too for priority

[neon harness]

4p vv er/atk sands atk/anemo goblet atk/hb/crit circlet
She can use 4p nobless but very rare cases, with Xiao usually, like double geo

[lyric cargo]

this, but I wrote a userscript to let me drag&drop rearrange the chars
https://act.hoyolab.com/app/community-game-records-sea/index.html

might be easier to use paint

[neon harness]

Burst>skill>na talents

[atomic abyss]

Sure thanks

[atomic abyss]

NA ain't really that needed but okay, something like "level it if you want" sort of thing

[neon harness]

Yea, which is why it’s the lowest priority, for my Jean I leveled the burst to 8, skill to 6 na to 1

[wind bolt]

alr thankls

[neon harness]

Iirc she should go er/em em em for sunfire if you wanted to try that

Still 4p vv tho

[wind bolt]

wip ig

[neon harness]

Making her a dps?

[wind bolt]

had those pieces laying around but would like more heals if possible

[neon harness]

For healing support, I recommend going fav, 4p vv, er/atk, atk, atk/hb, you rarely need that much healing tho, maybe if you used her with furina ig

[wind bolt]

tbh just started touching her again coz of IT

wanna build more charcs for it

[neon harness]

Theater?

Makes sense, I need to farm more artifacts for it, my 3 pyro dps all share the same few artifacts, with lyney sharing the same goblet with xiangling and hutao

[flat forge]

neuvi furina charlotte flex or neuvi kazuha fischl zhongli?

[lyric cargo]

I have that with anemo chars
two VV em sets for Kaz, Sucrose, Venti

I put Jean on Noblesse, because I definitely don't want to farm a 4th

[neon harness]

You can just use furina zhongli kazuha with nuevi

He self heals enough to max fanfare all by himself

[flat forge]

i know he heals himself enough but is the dmg bonus from furina better than his self buffs? even with 1 less reaction

[lyric cargo]

if you already 3-starred the chamber, you can also change Furina to healing mode for a bit before you finish

so she gets the team-hp drain bonus to her skill damage in the next chamber

[neon harness]

same but only sucrose and kazuha, i think i only have one vv em sands or goblet i forgot which, i have my venti on er atk atk, very copium but i don’t wanna bother anymore

[wind bolt]

yea

[neon harness]

Furina is better

[lyric cargo]

I used these chars this time, and did that
(my first attempt this morning failed in chamber 2)

[neon harness]

You can test it out with optimizer if you want

[wind bolt]

are the elements for next teather public or not

[neon harness]

Lol my exact team for every abyss after I got neuvi and furina, except beidou is zhongli, btw, is abyss hard this rotation

[tame cedar]

Is Arlecchino, Xingqiu, Yelan and Benny good team? I don't have shielders besides Layla

[lyric cargo]

I didn't 36-star on my first attempt at 6am ^^
died a couple times to the hydro tulpa

so harder than before I'd say
though the last one had elemental checks, it'd have been hard for someone who doesn't own enough hydro chars

[neon harness]

Oh damn tulpa is in abyss again nahida skill range was rly nice last time I fought it

[neon harness]

Thankfully most of my acc that is built is hydro

[lyric cargo]

same

I see hydro off-fielder, I pull

[wind bolt]

would say second half is hard on floor 12 coz of tulpa and the local legend at 12-2-2

[tame cedar]

How much ER should my yelan have if I pair her up with my 150%+ ER Xingqiu with a r3 Sac sword?

[neon harness]

oh no local legend

[wind bolt]

the geo robot one u have to plunge

[neon harness]

https://keqingmains.com/yelan/
If no fav on team, 1 skill rotation, 164

[lyric cargo]

random video showing the enemies:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=10jo2K1vXIA

[neon harness]

Easy enough with zhongli lol, that boss was a breeze last time, I should be able to clear abyss fine then, if I don’t keep reloading

[wind bolt]

me who used zl first half

[neon harness]

Thx

[tame cedar]

My Layla has a Fav sword

[lyric cargo]

me who skips zl every rerun because he wants other chars more ^^

[neon harness]

151

[tame cedar]

R5 btw

[neon harness]

drop a 10 pull at 0 pity next time he reruns, I got him at 5 pity

[lyric cargo]

I could probably level up my Layla, but given the coming world level increase I'd rather wait for when it's more resin efficient

[lyric cargo]

get c1 😛
whenever you do a 10-pull where you only want one copy, it's kinda deserved

[wind bolt]

same

waiting for that to level everyone to 80/90

[neon harness]

The amount of particles don’t change with refinement, only chance of particles, you can check er better with er calc

Er sheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1M2Ol2IjI7JoJb25pDMHkUcENQJ6TOVSngH6gA7s1BC8
Er calculator

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-vkmgp5n0bI9pvhUg110Aza3Emb2puLWdeoCgrxDlu4

[fallen topaz]

Does Mualini look worth pulling?

[tame cedar]

Nothing's confirmed rn so we don't know

But if your into waifus then yes

Definitely go for it

Wait until like 1 week before her banner emds

[neon harness]

She pretty, sure ig

If you want to ask about her worth meta wise, wait like a week or so after she releases

[tame cedar]

Should I use HP goblet on yelan if my only buffer on the team is Bennett?

[opal surge]

abyss second half is navia xinagling ad

[neon harness]

No, hydro goblet

[tame cedar]

Aight

This is good right?

[opal surge]

its fine

its not really good enough to warrant an off-piece feather tbh

[tame cedar]

Damn how high are standards?

[opal surge]

but that just depends on your overall artifact quality

[tame cedar]

Most of my artifacts have crit rate or DMG substats

[opal surge]

Yeah i mean its not bad, its 4 (high rolls of crit) and the flat hp is a little less than one hp% roll would be,

so its kind of like 5/9 possible rolls for a piece

[flat forge]

if im using neuvi and charlote in same team who should use prototype amber and what should the other one use? or should i make 2 prototype amber r5 lvl 90? as f2p

[neon harness]

Nuevi using proto is his best f2p option so I’d give that to him, give charlotte fav, this is a team with furina right?

[flat forge]

yes, ty

[umbral sedge]

Using neuv and char in same team is pretty sus

He max fanfare by hinselfge

[lyric cargo]

how much damage does Furina gain from being able to drain team hp, though

if Neuv is on p-amber, maybe it's already giving her a decent enough uptime on that

[spare pasture]

Guys what would you pick?

No is that i don't have them

Please ping me on reply 😭

[opal surge]

It could be argued that the technically optimal pick is to get C6 diluc so you have a 1/7 to get 25 star glitter if you lose 50/50

[zinc shoal]

is echoing always this painful 😿

[pure epoch]

C1 tighnari his cons has the most worth imo among other 5* standards

[lyric cargo]

previously I'd have said depending on whether you'd use even him

but we have theater now, we'll use many chars we previously didn't

[candid fable]

HEEEEELP

[quaint fern]

Eh

Since when was this a thing on hoyolab

You can see the whole build now

[opal surge]

put pink block ont he torch left, burn it so it turns black, and replace it

[candid fable]

THANKS ALOT

[quaint fern]

I'm honestly surprised that I have enough characters for hard mode IT

[brittle cipher]

how does one make a bloom team with nilou and nahida?

[jolly junco]

they don't

oh, sorry I thought you said without

basically there are a lot of options

[cedar flint]

but do you have enough for the new difficulty?

[quaint fern]

Yeah

[cedar flint]

you add another hydro and dendro

[quaint fern]

That's 23 right there

[jolly junco]

usually people go for 2 hydro + 2 dendro but 3 hydro 1 dendro with on-field nahida is also viable (albeit less comfortable)

[cedar flint]

for every element combination?

[brittle cipher]

okay coolio!

[quaint fern]

Not every 😔

I'm screwed if it's geo + dendro + x

[cedar flint]

preferably a healer

[brittle cipher]

nahida + nilou + mona/xingqiu (?) + baizhu

is that an alr team?

[cedar flint]

can work

maybe not mona tho

[wind bolt]

Me who uses nahida nilou kokomi collei

[cedar flint]

same

[jolly junco]

xingqiu is pretty good in nilou bloom but mona isnt

[quaint fern]

With geo + dendro, I can only hit 22 minimum with cryo

[cedar flint]

he is more good for solo targets

[wind bolt]

But yaoyao can work instead of collei and yelan instead of kokomi so u have atleast 1 healer

[jolly junco]

still good in AoE

[brittle cipher]

what hydro can i use? 😞 i have ayato, nev, yelan, cingqiu and barabara

[wind bolt]

I can hit geo+anemo with any combo except dendro

[cedar flint]

yelan or xq

probably xq

[wind bolt]

What other dendro u have

[cedar flint]

if he is c6

he applies more hydro than yelan at c0

[jolly junco]

id use ayato or xingqiu

[cedar flint]

ayato is sketchy in bloom

[jolly junco]

no he isnt

[brittle cipher]

nahida, baizhu, tighnari (only built) and yao yao + xollei + kiraia

[cedar flint]

you will have to feed him er

[jolly junco]

so just build ER?

[candid fable]

G

[wind bolt]

Baizu yaoyao good second dendro and then xq ye

[jolly junco]

you also have to build ER on several other hydro triggers in nilou bloom

I don't see why in ayato's case that makes him sketchy

[cedar flint]

idk I heard he is just not good in bloom

I don’t remember why tho since I don’t have him

[brittle cipher]

what does yao yao scale off? ☠️ i dont touch dendro characters at all 😞

[wind bolt]

I believe hp

[cedar flint]

well hp

she is a healer

[brittle cipher]

okay coolio 🕺

[wind bolt]

But idk how to build her for bloom

[cedar flint]

regular build

[quaint fern]

She won't trigger anyways

[cedar flint]

she won’t be triggering bloom

[wind bolt]

Hp hp hp

[cedar flint]

Healing bonus

the main bloom trigger will probably be like xq

[quaint fern]

Oh yeah FYI, don't craft the new items for making artifacts

It's so bad LMAO just get them passively

[wind bolt]

Hp moment

[wind bolt]

Man i gotta get a diff circlet then

[cedar flint]

i feel like a hp% circlet will benefit you more

[wind bolt]

Why not

[cedar flint]

I mean healing bonus

since you can get hp% as a substat on that circlet

[quaint fern]

100 artifact levels sacrificed? Even if you use +4 artifacts that's so much artifact exp wasted. And then you need 4 of the items to craft a guaranteed two line artifact??? That's 100 +4 artifacts

[cedar flint]

you actually struggling with artifact xp???

[quaint fern]

Even as an end game player, I'm limited by artifact fodder

[cedar flint]

besides I think you’re limited to crafting one per half a patch

[quaint fern]

Granted, the issue might be that I don't really like using +20s as fodder

[quaint fern]

One per artifact set

[cedar flint]

no I mean the item itself

[quaint fern]

Oh idk

Anyways, not worth it imo

[cedar flint]

in the live stream it said 1 Remaining and than 18 days left

[quaint fern]

But I'll have to see what other ppl say when it acts comes out

[cedar flint]

so you only need to waste 100 lvls every 21 days or so

it’s worth it in the long run

[quaint fern]

Yeah but you need 4 of those items to craft

[wind bolt]

Do u need +r tho

[cedar flint]

well you can only craft 1 item the rest are battle pass events and exploration

I think it’s worth it to get the perfect cryo goblet

[quaint fern]

Knowing genshin you'll do all that just for it to roll like trash

[cedar flint]

instead of farming for months and get shit

[cedar flint]

still better chances

the last good cryo goblet I got was like over a year ago

this at least gives me a chance to roll a good piece

[wind bolt]

Yea

Sometimes

[cedar flint]

cus it’s either you farm for a year or sacrifice once in a while 100lvls of artifacts your choice

progress requires sacrifices

[wind bolt]

U just need +0 5* artifacts no?

[cedar flint]

no

you need 100 lvls

to craft one of those items

[fallen topaz]

Do I give SoSS to Vape Arle or XL?

[wind bolt]

Fuck

[cedar flint]

what your arle uses rn

[fallen topaz]

Well, I didn't give her anything yet. I just finished levelling her recently. Do I give her the SoSS or something else?

[silk mango]

Do you guys think it would be fine doing the natlan archon quests directly when they release or would it be better to complete the previous archon quests

[opal surge]

It would be better as a narrative experience to do the ones before it first for sure

[cedar flint]

ye

[silk mango]

Ok thanks

[cedar flint]

well it probably is your best dps option for her

[quasi fern]

thoughts about this teams?
my chars any sugestions what other teams could be cool?

[lyric cargo]

for this abyss, floor 12? I'd flip them around, Neuvilette team first half

even though Zhongli will help with the geo shields, the hydro tulpa in chamber 1 second half would be impossible for Neuvilette

[quasi fern]

rn im at floor 11 so neuvi is team 2 becouse of pyro slimes

do u know any other good teams i can make those 2 i ususaly use to 12/3 abyss but need something difrent to dont get bored

[lyric cargo]

oh. You have so many 5★ chars, I assumed it was about floor 12

I see a lot of on-fielders, maybe some off-fielders like Xianyun would give you more interesting teams

Xiao, Furina, Xianyun, Faruzan
Navia, Furina, Xianyun, Zhongli

Tighnari, Fischl, Yae, Kirara/Zhongli
Yae, Fischl, Kazuha, Kirara

Navia, Bennett, Xiangling, Zhongli
the two non-geo chars are kinda flexible here

Bennett + Fischl is another good option

(since Navia scales with atk, she does kinda want Bennett)

[violet mountain]

I have r3 serpent spine and an extra redhorn stonethresher, which would be better on beidou? I know stonethresher’s passive is useless but in terms of raw stats idk which is better

[rigid bluff]

should i replace semi-built xingqiu with furina if it means i have to build her? and is there going to be any significant difference?

[opal surge]

stick with sserpent spine

[violet mountain]

Both of them serve a very different purpose. It depends on what team you’re using them in

[violet mountain]

thank you!!!

[opal surge]

There is no scenario where xingqiu is 1:1 replacable with furina, and furina plays in a lot more teams than xq does

[rigid bluff]

it is a team with raiden, yelan, and kazuha

[opal surge]

you cant play furina in that team

[rigid bluff]

okay thanks

[opal surge]

you have no healer

[violet mountain]

xingqiu is better here. if you use furina you need to play a healer

replacing kazuha with jean in that team would work, and potentially deal more damage than the original team

[rigid bluff]

would benett work also?

If i use jean, id have to build her from scratch

[violet mountain]

Is your furina c0?

[rigid bluff]

yeah

[violet mountain]

Bennett can work with c0 furina in a quickswap team, but with a character like raiden she takes a good bit of field time. as long as you’re making sure every character on your team is receiving healing from bennett, he’s an okay option

[rigid bluff]

Okay

Thanks so much

[violet mountain]

Also make sure he’s on a build that maximizes healing! And np!

[rigid bluff]

Alright!

[fiery wigeon]

Anyone got team ideas for 12-2?

[dusky oxide]

is tigh c2 or jean c2 the better choice?

[lyric cargo]

I used this:

I've seen abyss channels use overload second half

[opal surge]

Navia xiangling

The goats of second half imo

[lyric cargo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmb7P-GP-No
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jIx7ms2I0Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWmNTgmKjQA

[fiery wigeon]

I just can't 3 star 12-2

The first phase takes way too long

Neuvi Hitting for 60k a tick and it's still not enough

[lyric cargo]

what's your first phase team?

[fiery wigeon]

And this stupid game still hasn't added the ability to change team for each floor so I give up, I'm just going to be the one ar 60 players who'll never 36star

[lyric cargo]

are you playing on mobile?

[fiery wigeon]

No

[wet plank]

60k consistent ticks should be plenty of time remaining for 2nd half

[fiery wigeon]

It's probably because I go for characters I enjoy rather then meta characters

[lyric cargo]

hmm?

[wet plank]

Any geo char is nice for cham 2&3-2

Keep in mind you have to break the shields to actually do decent damage to them

[fiery wigeon]

If every floor was boss fight in both sides I will 36 star but no so rip

[wet plank]

First half shouldn't be an issue with neuv though

Could you perhaps send a recording to see if we can point out any issues

[fiery wigeon]

No, my Nvidia pannel doesn't work when in games

[fiery wigeon]

Neuv, Raiden, kazabruh, baizhu

[wet plank]

I can record a run for reference if you'd like, give me a min to boot up genshin

[fiery wigeon]

No it's ok

I on how to play the game, I just don't get streamer luck so gg

[wet plank]

Is 2nd half the issue then, the first half team looks fine

[fiery wigeon]

If all the enemies spawned at the same time maybe but those stupid mechs keep running across the floor and never stay together, then there's a whole 4 seconds before the next lot spawn and it just wastes so much time

I know my characters are built well and ik how to rotate the game is just ass

Like my neuv is 50.1/298.6, still can't do it

[wet plank]

If you go between and behind the two crane mechs on last wave they'll bump into each other and stay gathered

[fiery wigeon]

Might to stop doing abyss tbh

[wet plank]

I really think it's rot issue so I'm gonna record a ref, gimme a bit

[opal surge]

suggesting teams is kind of difficult if we dont know what you own

Your neuvilette is doing almost double the damage of mine, its probably not the neuvilette teams issue

[wet plank]

Not the cleanest but a reference nonetheless

[opal surge]

🐳

[fiery wigeon]

Note to self, get furina

[wet plank]

Oh I misread raiden as furi for some reason

[fiery wigeon]

Also don't hold. Kazabruhs skill

Also build Layla

[wet plank]

baizhu works fine

I just ran layla because idh baizhu

[fiery wigeon]

Baizhu sucks because his ult takes too long

Animation wastes 5 seconds

[wet plank]

shouldn't make or break a run at least

[fiery wigeon]

And the fact his shield isn't on his skill

If it was then maybeb

[wet plank]

fischl preferred there over raiden since oz does much more off field damage than her

[fiery wigeon]

I'm good to try neuv, Mona, kazabrub, Kiara

Going*

[wet plank]

Neuv C1?

If not mona likely not going to be worth running over fischl since fischl provides neuv with another A1 stack + has solid damage herself

Mona also going to suffer from multiwave issue, with her buff being tied to burst and not transferring over to new wave

[forest venture]

fur fin na

[opal surge]

i mean theres no way top half is the issue no? if your neuv is doing 60k ticks

isnt it just bot half issue

[fiery wigeon]

I would but fichl isn't c6

[wet plank]

Also yeah clarification on this

Bot half shouldn't be taking more than 90s

[winged sphinx]

So I'm trying to expand my roster for IT and I want to have about 8 or 9 characters per element (since that's about the average you need for the highest difficulty being added to 5.0). I'm particularly looking at Geo because there's only 7 I have raised or am willing to raise (for reference, those would be Zhongli, Navia, Noelle, Chiori, Yun Jin, Albedo, and Ningguang). I do want Xilonen, but we don't yet know how soon she's coming. Beyond that, I'm thinking Gorou and/or Kachina. Would either or both of these two be worth raising for IT?

[fickle perch]

I haven't played genshin for about 4 month or smth idk
Will I get the updated 10 pulls for returning or is it only after version 5.0?

[opal surge]

Its definitely in 5.0 only

I dont know if you qualify for them with 4 month not played, but it doesnt apply this patch either way afaik

[opal surge]

we dont know what kachina does, as for gorou hes potentially worth raising if you like playing noelle or itto, beyond that hes w/e

[winged sphinx]

We just got Kachina's kit today

[fickle perch]

Alright thx

[jolly junco]

crumbs

[opal surge]

with numbers and details missing its impossible to judge

If I told you arle makes bol on her skill and consumes it with NA and heals with her burst, could you tell me if shes good or not, not knowing any numbers?

[fiery wigeon]

Alright first half done with 8m left but now arataki Dorito is being an L

[jolly junco]

why is first half taking so long though with neuvillette

[fiery wigeon]

He hits for 110k in the over world with his skill but in this I just see 60k, looks like it's staying a 2 star

[opal surge]

60k is so much though

[fiery wigeon]

I'd agree but the robots health bar doesn't

[wet plank]

Wait... skill?

[fiery wigeon]

Yes when you press e

[opal surge]

oh huh

[jolly junco]

i did neuv solo 1st half where he did 20k charged attack ticks and every chamber half took under 120s

[wet plank]

How much are your charged hits hitting for then

[fiery wigeon]

31-49k

[wet plank]

Still seems reasonable

[fiery wigeon]

Depends on when the debuff from dongli is up

I might just accept the 2star tbh, I'm tired wasting my time on this garbage I got work to do

[quaint fern]

Are you making sure to plunge the shield away first????

Idk how your Nuevi is taking so long to clear on 1st half of you have 60k/tick

[opal surge]

its just rotational issues atp

[fiery wigeon]

Yes

[fiery wigeon]

Idk, YouTubers do half my damage yet clear quicker, spiral has never made sense past floor 11, I know my characters are built great, it's only spiral 36star I can't do, I would prefer floor 12 to be reworked to be bosses only or removed then add more to IT because that game mode is way more fun and doesn't require you to pull damage form your behind

[quaint fern]

Idk man, neuvi is usually pretty okay I'm multiwave

If I was able to clear 1st half faster than you with ayaka idk what's up

[opal surge]

Neuvilette is the epitome of aoe

[quaint fern]

I really think you need to reevaluate your rotation

[opal surge]

It's the non plus ultra

[quaint fern]

Fr tho

Oh yeah -70 res on legatus goes hard LOL

Almost 200k on ganyu

[fiery wigeon]

My rotation isn't that hard, it's just wet, swirl, fichl, baizhu e then ult then neuv charged attack

[quaint fern]

Neuvi usually runs extended rotation

Take a look at this sample rotation

Rotation (Zhongli)
Best:
Neuvillette E N1 > Kazuha Q > Zhongli hED > Fischl E > Kazuha tEP > Neuvillette C Q E C > Kazuha tEP > Zhongli hED > Fischl Q > Neuvillette 2[C]
Simple:
Neuvillette Q > Kazuha tEPQ > Zhongli hED > Fischl E/Q > Neuvillette 2[C] E C

Rotation (Layla)
Neuvillette Q N1 > Kazuha tEP > Layla Q (N1) E > Fischl Q > Neuvillette 2[C] E N3 > Kazuha tEPQ > Layla Q (N1) E > Neuvillette C E C

You can just adapt it to baizhu and still probably have a decent rotation

[jolly junco]

i dont think its a very good neuv team anyway

if no furina, play vape neuv with xiangling

[neon harness]

[quaint fern]

Yeah I'd probably play electro charged but against PMA that might be rough

[fiery wigeon]

Well it doesn't matter anyways, I left spiral at 35 stars, I'm not wasting any more time on it, thought I wanted to go for the 36 but now I see how much bs there is and I'll pass

[quaint fern]

Then again you're getting 60k/tick so who cares