📌gimshim-help

[charred junco]

What the FUCK IS THAT

Daddy vibes tho

Thank you

Wait...

It's only in the abyss???

[fossil meteor]

Yes

[charred junco]

I have never seen this man in my damn life

😭 my archiveeee

[fossil meteor]

Has only been in the spiral abys for 3.5/3.6/3.8 spiral abyss cycles

[charred junco]

Shoot, that's when I started playing...

Oh well, an attempt was made
Thanks guys

[neon harness]

no, my standards for artifacts are extremely low

😔

[sterile ruin]

atk or em sands for gaming mailed flower vapor/melt team?

[faint thicket]

Should I get itto or get yae? For context I already have nahida

[stark solstice]

in my peasant teir humble opionon, yae is better......however, if you dont have furina, get neither of them, and save for her

[faint thicket]

Furina most likely wont rerun for a bit tho

[stark solstice]

i thought on the stream, they said furina will re run?

[opal surge]

nope

Yae vs itto boils down to who you like more, but ittos only real team is monogeo

If you have the monogeo pieces its fine, if you dont I wouldnt recommend itto

(actually every char vs char boils down to who you like more)

[stark solstice]

only if u have garou

garou kinda 1.5x if not doubles your geo dmg

[neon harness]

Em sands usually, unless you have a shitton of em buffs

[worthy siren]

is any of kazuha's abilities worth levelings for a full EM build?

Fkin farmed Diligince for no reason

[opal surge]

You can go to 6, more damage is more damage and its not very expensive until 6

I mean if you want you can level as normal, it does increase his damage

Its just lower prio than the average character

[worthy siren]

Ill just farm fontaine mats for future fontainne characters

[worthy siren]

It must be pretty low if im not going the usuaal stat builds

[random hawk]

Not much

[fallow yoke]

what sands should i give to C6 yao yao

her dmg is based on atk, while healing is based on hpp

[neon harness]

Hp/er

[opal surge]

3% is not bad

[fallow yoke]

ok

[opal surge]

People farm DP for wanderer for less

[worthy siren]

3% increase definitely isn't a lot

[near prism]

DPC wanderer is a 15% increase over 2/2 and (in most cases) around a 5% over 4pc shime 😔 let wanderer mains rest they suffer enough from his MVs

[opal surge]

But is it 5% teamdps over shime

at least hes a hypercarry so its kind of close

[near prism]

By that logic almost any set is just inconsequential as an increase

Except for like vermillion/mh xiao

[opal surge]

Yeah I'm just saying 3% teamDPS is not nothing

its not great, but not nothing either

I'm not one to talk, my kazuha talents are like 5-5-5

[sick quarry]

How'd u make these images? Trying to figure out how to fit all my character's info on one single picture, lol

[neon harness]

Enka.network
It’s a website, also linked in the pins

[sick quarry]

ty!

This is my Xiao so far :D

[opal surge]

goblet is a lil sus

[sick quarry]

Cup's only temporary of course

[opal surge]

otherwise its not bad

[sick quarry]

I don't have any other anemo dmg cups right now unfortuantely, but thanks!

Once I ascend both him and the weapon to 90 he should be around 80 CR, I'm hoping for a cup with more CD and ER

[velvet ingot]

lvl 90 when

[sick quarry]

Soon! Collecting the flowers right now actually lol

[dusty cape]

qingxin are a pain

[sick quarry]

True

[earnest canyon]

kalpalata lotuses are worse

[dusty cape]

[strange scarab]

trishiraite:

wait

[dusty cape]

who

[strange scarab]

king deshret's ascension material

[sick quarry]

How should I build Faruzan as a Xiao support? (Artifacts and stats to focus on) She's C1 with a Fav Bow.

[lusty cloud]

vv

[noble vale]

Why can’t I just farm VV domain? Curious

If I’m fixing Sucrose’s build then I should start farming VV domain then strongbox to VV. I was told to keep farming emblem domain then strongbox to VV until I get all 3 EM main stats 1/3 then flower and feather with EM subs

Ohh I gotta make sure is 4 piece not 5 piece lol

[strange scarab]

because most healers already heals enough that they dont need sets like maiden that provides more heal

the domain is simply just resin inefficient

[noble vale]

Ohhh I see

I have tried that domain before I don’t quite get much VV pieces and just a different piece from a different set

[sharp saddle]

if you desperately need VV pieces, go VV domain and then strongbox all trash into more VV

if you want some VV but you're farming something else, just strongbox VV

[noble vale]

Yes I am farming in emblem domain then strongbox to VV until sucrose gets 3 EM main stats

Grinding to build Hu Tao shime and Xingqiu emblem

But I need to finish Sucrose first

[lyric cargo]

would be most efficient to farm a domain where both sets are useful, and strongbox sets like VV

though there might be multiple sets you want to strongbox. (some of them might have reasonable alternatives that are more resin efficient to obtain)

[noble vale]

Ahhh ok

[lyric cargo]

now we have Marechaussee Hunter, many on-fielders can use that for example

[sharp saddle]

fair choice. Emblem is high value domain in general

[noble vale]

Yh and is even good for characters such as Xingqiu, Hu Tao, Raiden etc

[sharp saddle]

ye, a lot of players spent like year in it

[lyric cargo]

I farmed it for a long time, though now I don't consider shime as valuable anymore for my account

[sharp saddle]

until sumeru

[lyric cargo]

unless I get wanderer / etc one day

someone like Hutao would probably go Marechaussee for me now

even if that means trying her to Furina

[sharp saddle]

keep in mind Marechausse for those without innate HP yoyo mechanism needs Furina

[lyric cargo]

yea

[sharp saddle]

if you don't have Furina, marechausse is just a mid set

[glass pasture]

Who do you guys think has the most value at c6 ? Gonna try to c6 them next

[sharp saddle]

five star or four star

[glass pasture]

5

[strange scarab]

chichi

[sharp saddle]

not whale, can't tell u as well as the whales but most likely Yelan giving very good speedrun value

[noble vale]

I have a question does it take months or a year to build one character or is it for the team?

[lyric cargo]

I assume everyone would get her, but there's still the problem of only having one when there are two sides to abyss

[sharp saddle]

depends tm

[glass pasture]

i already have c50 chichi

[strange scarab]

its all rng you cant really make an estimation on it

[sharp saddle]

90 talent 9/9/9 is not that hard to farm

but artifacts. some are more demanding than others

when it comes to artifact quality that is.

also it's hardly can be called done unless you set your own bar.

[lyric cargo]

months for a good build, depends on how close you want to get to perfection though

[sharp saddle]

Amber main player paying 20000 resins to get a 2% upgrade isn't an unrealistic scenario

[glass pasture]

Thats a good one, seems like hydro characters are top tier at c6.. ex.. Neuv.. Furina.

[sharp saddle]

oh yea i actually forgot Neuvilette

mf's bullshit even since c0

also Furina

[noble vale]

I was expecting to take me years to build every team each 4 characters like after I’ve finished building my team for months and I have to build the second one and it’ll take me the same time I’ve spent

[glass pasture]

I might do furina since she can replace a healer at c6. Freeing a slot up.

[sharp saddle]

think of artifact separately from characters is a better way

you farm artis but it becomes a pool

later on some of the newer chars can use them

so you cut short of the character development time

only talent / level is bound to the char

weapon is also a pool to pick from

[stark solstice]

i need to dm somebody

[sharp saddle]

no

[stark solstice]

i cant talk about here...i assure you its nothing 18+ or weird stuff...its genshin related

[lyric cargo]

in my case, I chose chars that I can build at the same time

[stark solstice]

its just a theory, or something....however, i cant talk about it here

[noble vale]

Ok but I was told to build 1 by 1 I mean each characters

[shadow lynx]

C6 CHARACTERS WE HAVE WHALES IN HERE

[stark solstice]

bro u need a few c6 5stars

we i meant

[shadow lynx]

like C6 Qiqi and C6 Aloy?

[glass pasture]

Do standard c6 characters count as whales

[shadow lynx]

thats like 7 PS5s

[stark solstice]

yes.....the odds of getting them or abismol

[glass pasture]

Then ig im a whale

[shadow lynx]

Waiting for Keqing to hit the new featured banners so I can C6

[stark solstice]

well...i want to invest in a future 5star to c6 them ( cant say their name) so i never have to get another 5star again and embark on my wanna be "f2p" journey

[glass pasture]

I just c6’d my first limited the other day.. yae miko..

Pretty happy

[lyric cargo]

if you check my chars, they all use a limited number of sets:
MH, GT, emblem, deepwood, gilded, VV
||https://enka.network/u/hidden50/||

[noble vale]

Anyway I just wanted to know if it will take months to build a character 1 by 1 calculating to years to finish the entire team with great builds. Seems like depends

[shadow lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/keqing-genshin-impact-genshin-best-girl-anime-gif-18602467

[sharp saddle]

tldr: set a bar for what you call done

[noble vale]

Alrighty

[calm atlas]

I really don't think so cuz if you've been playing since day 1 and have been unlucky with the 50/50 odds are you do have a c6 standard by now

[sharp saddle]

not like you cannot use a team if their artifacts is at like 80% of max potential

[stark solstice]

devs were ina diff headspace making those animations

[sharp saddle]

i'm not whale and i have two c6 standards

just miss a lot of 50/50

[shadow lynx]

Depends on the sets required, you can't exactly build folks who need Deepwood/Gilded with folks that then need GT/MH at the same time

[glass pasture]

I can never pull another damn tighnari…

[stark solstice]

you are whale

[stark solstice]

i need him...gimme

[calm atlas]

no he's just unlucky

[stark solstice]

the difference between unlucky or a whale

[glass pasture]

I thankfully pulled him when he first came out.. that was my only copy

[sharp saddle]

i just happen to miss 4 or 5 straight 50/50 into a Jean

[stark solstice]

or the differnece between being lucky and a whale is all the same

[shadow lynx]

Atleast at this point with the variety of artifacts in the strong box at max maybe you'll have to farm two domains at the same time

[sharp saddle]

hence Jean c6

[strange scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/operation-true-true-morgan-freeman-true-success-operation-success-gif-1211493860161376296

[lyric cargo]

the only standard char I'd ever consider would be Tighnari

though it's kind of a waste, pulling c6 and then getting more of him later from lost 50/50s

[shadow lynx]

C6 keqing and c6 jean take it or leave it

Keqing is hawt and Jean with her skin is hawt

[calm atlas]

dehya's cons are actually decent

[lyric cargo]

jean c4 I can see

[calm atlas]

(and she's hot too)

[glass pasture]

[neon harness]

eyebrow

[glass pasture]

Thats true because i got her at c4 with my shit luck

[strange scarab]

jean c5 and kek c4 are the closest thing i have to a c6 5*

[shadow lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/jean-summer-skin-jean-genshin-genshin-jean-albedo-think-gif-22029619

[lyric cargo]

problem is the starting point, I don't know if even c6 can save that

it might feel like you got a regular c0 character

[shadow lynx]

I wish I had more Jean and Keqing cons

would use them way more in abyss

[sharp saddle]

but do they wish they have you

[glass pasture]

Chiori next deyha???

[calm atlas]

honestly she's not that trash now with furina

[shadow lynx]

REPORTED AND PUBLIC ENEMY NUMBER ONE NOW!!

[sharp saddle]

not the first time uwu

[calm atlas]

the self healing with furina's hp loss mechanic can be viable

before furina dehya was utterly unusable

[shadow lynx]

this is a top tier Keqing build right here she deff wants me

[glass pasture]

Makes me want c6 furina even more… what hp loss..

[noble vale]

Well it seems like I won’t be ready to do spiral abyss until I’m finished building my characters with great stats

[sharp saddle]

almost as good as my keq

[noble vale]

And teams

The team I’m working on is VV Vape Hu Tao

[shadow lynx]

Just C6 Hutao and build all CD you'll do massive onga bonga damage

[noble vale]

I’m C1 Hu Tao and I don’t think I’ll get C6

[glass pasture]

Would you guys rather have one c6 character of your choice or 10 random 5 star characters

[calm atlas]

c6

[sharp saddle]

i just want c6 four-stars

[strange scarab]

the latter

[noble vale]

C6 cost too many wishes

[strange scarab]

[shadow lynx]

I kinda want Al Haitham and Nuev but I also gotta save for the patch after Chiori

[glass pasture]

Nice collection fellow whaler

[shadow lynx]

Isnt C4 Jean cracked?

[glass pasture]

I just noticed we both dont have Chev lmfaoooo

[strange scarab]

...okay? thats pretty normal

[shadow lynx]

I partially leveled Chev to build a DPS Chev but gave up halfway

[strange scarab]

my savings before xianyun vs now

[shadow lynx]

Who are you waiting for?????

[strange scarab]

idk i already owned pretty much all of my favs except for the unplayable ones

cloriner and arlecchiner

[shadow lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/arlecchino-genshin-fatui-gif-6916057489626438898

IM ALSO WAITING

you goin C6 tho? or just C0 R1 or something

[strange scarab]

i havent explored chenyu vale i'll see how much i got after tht

i only pull c0 nothing else

[shadow lynx]

not even the weapon banner!?!

[strange scarab]

game is too easy for me to need signatures or cons

[neon harness]

wh

[shadow lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/puppet-awkward-looking-what-side-eye-gif-15476992

[strange scarab]

except for when i build pity on xianyun banner

[shadow lynx]

I gave my C0 characters 4 star weapons and also kinda realized the 5 star weapon didn't make a massive difference

But I also find building a balance crit ratio when you're using a non crit 4 star weapon is hard

[stark solstice]

im saving to have alerrchino c6

[neon harness]

skil isue

[stark solstice]

she will be my one and only bhaddie....a 10/10

along with my lovely raiden

i wanted to whale for her, but my primos and wallets didnt align for the mission

[strange scarab]

skel isue

[shadow lynx]

Im also waiting for Clorinde

as another teapot maid

[stark solstice]

ok guys....so i cant stronghold for golden troupe....what arts should i be farming?? should i farm golden troupe/gilded and stronghold for my emblem? (ima post my teams soon)

hyperbloom- Ayato, nahida, kuki, xinqui

[shadow lynx]

If you're building characters that need GT/MH then yeh just strongbox emblem

[strange scarab]

strongbox golden troupe 2 years from now

[shadow lynx]

4PC deepwood/Guilded with all EM isn't hard to farm shouldn't take too long

MH/GT lol good luck buddy

[stark solstice]

overload ( hu tao is in place for a special bhaddie) - hu tao, chevruse, fischl, and beidou

my raiden hyper carry is pretty decent, my mono geo has some obvious flaws as far as it needs to be fully built in order for me to take it to abyss floor 12

[shadow lynx]

How's your Raiden build lookin?

[stark solstice]

the cr/cd ratio is questionable, but with buffs and full stacks, it can do around....300k ish?

c2

[shadow lynx]

300 dayum

[stark solstice]

thats if i cirt

if dont, it reaches like 172k

from the hoyolab, my strongest skill strike

398,959

[lyric tartan]

help plzzz 😭 is the golden troupe artifact set NOT craftable (like the box things where u put 3 & get 1 back)????

[neon harness]

nope

not in strongbox yet

[lyric tartan]

wowwwww

thank u so much

i thought i was going crazy lol

[neon harness]

LookUp

sussy ayaya

[dusty cape]

not as sussy as u

[slate sky]

I wanna ask that if i play Diluc plunge what artifact should i give to him? 4pc CWOF or 4pc MH. Im running him in Furina c0, Xianyun c0, Bennet c6.

[valid kite]

how do I get up

[valid kite]

ahh!

thank you!

[toxic vessel]

will hutao and xiao make a good team? i am in love with both of them they are best

[umbral sedge]

no

[rugged sparrow]

putting 2 on-field DPSes with close to 0 downtime is a recipe to disaster

[quaint fern]

just make two abyss teams with them

there's virtually no overlap in supports

unless you count furina, both want furina, but both also have perfectly viable teams without furina

[torpid coyote]

Is mona worth ascending to ascenscion 5?

[torpid coyote]

I need multiple opinion that's why bro

[rugged sparrow]

why

it's not like it's wrong to begin with

[torpid coyote]

so much material 😭

[rugged sparrow]

if anything you'll get more chances to get dubious advice by asking more people

[strange scarab]

[sweet glen]

How much is genshin on mobile

[strange scarab]

free

[smoky forge]

Which would be better for taser beidou?

Rainslasher or wolf's gravestone

[rugged sparrow]

WGS

[sweet glen]

I meant the size in GB

[smoky forge]

About 30 to 35 gb

[neon harness]

35 gb or so before removing past quest resources

[sweet glen]

Ty

[lyric cargo]

if Dehya is on-field, I expect it'll be Furina vaping?

[wet plank]

Mostly dehya iirc, unless you have another pyro applier

[lyric cargo]

Wonder what the 4th team member would be
Dehya, Furina, Bennett, [Kazuha]

[lyric cargo]

I guess you'd avoid using kaz burst or avoid absorbing pyro into it, if you want Dehya to vape

[lyric cargo]

"we have diluc plunge vape at home"
Diluc at home:

[sharp saddle]

it doesn't even have to be vape. The amount of bs these 3 gives a char together justify the damage anyway

oh wow hey Yunyun

how are u doing best girl

[neon harness]

KianaWave

[sweet glen]

How much dmg can i get with r5 catch raiden currentlt im getting 94k

[lyric cargo]

surely that's also how they'll make this work
(have not watched)

[sharp saddle]

good question. I don't know either. Depend on 3 supports + your artifact

[sweet glen]

In the raiden chevurese team

[sharp saddle]

didn't take a genius to predict people gonna spam that and then soon get bored

[neon harness]

starting to experience that genshin burnout pretty gud, how about u

[sharp saddle]

not enough input

[sweet glen]

Raiden,chevurese,xiang,bennet?

[sharp saddle]

not too good. But yea don't have to grind genshin if you don't want to. Can take a break too

[neon harness]

pats

[haughty lotus]

50 cv where, top 0.00001% furina where

[lyric cargo]

most people don't really look at that damage number afaik

at least I look more at crit, dmg%, atk (including the buffers)
so what an enka card shows

[sharp saddle]

i think you can have your hypothetical max on an optimizer with all the support maxed out

[sweet glen]

I was just wondering if my raiden needs to be built more or not

[neon harness]

shut, i am still only getting somewhat ok mh artifacts, but somehow not atk% artifacts for lyney or em for gaming

[elder bluff]

so can I run chev c0 to replace kazuha in raiden hypercarry?

[haughty lotus]

im still getting 0 mh artifacts

[elder bluff]

or does she need c6?

[neon harness]

hope it gets better soon for you 🥭

[neon harness]

gimme ur aritfacts

[sharp saddle]

thanks darling. Wanted to check up on u too, been a while after all

[haughty lotus]

you simp for neuvillette more, I simp for furina more. it's only fair

[sweet glen]

Thsi is current raiden

[sharp saddle]

c6 is good addition to make sure she eclipse Kazuhehe damage wise entirely

[neon harness]

😭 i wish for my furina to be more usable

[sharp saddle]

otherwise depends tm

[neon harness]

ba2_kokomi_heart_P2U

[sweet glen]

My gawd i should have seen the crit ratio before posting

[neon harness]

why are you using 5p emblem? get an offpieces for ur goblet/circlet

[sweet glen]

If i have one good offpiece i will use it definetly

[neon harness]

🐳

[sharp saddle]

i can show u my Raiden too

but that'd reveal unnecessary information ;))

[lyric cargo]

flower 3, goblet 3, circlet 1

these pieces have very few good substat rolls

you can replace one with an off-piece (don't need to run 5x emblem)

[haughty lotus]

[sharp saddle]

Exodia player

[neon harness]

[sweet glen]

Lemme see im just not good at artifacts i just grind until i make the 5 star feel like one

[sharp saddle]

ok imma show u

[woeful narwhal]

What's the best team for Itto currently?

[haughty lotus]

albedo zhongli gorou

[neon harness]

itto albedo gorou benny i assume? maybe benny/flex

CATBRUH

[woeful narwhal]

Are Itto's charged attacks after his burst considered as elemental burst damage?

[haughty lotus]

no

[lyric cargo]

you'll want to look for pieces with the highest possible number of substat rolls in: crit rate, crit dmg, energy recharge, atk%

[woeful narwhal]

What does Albedo contribute to the mono geo team?

[sharp saddle]

not mine obviously

[haughty lotus]

damage and energy generation for itto

[neon harness]

Em

[sweet glen]

Why so much er ? Er increaxes something on rwiden?

[neon harness]

Engulfing

[sharp saddle]

it is triple scaling off ER until 300ER

[woeful narwhal]

I think Emblem boosts elemental burst damage based on ER

[sharp saddle]

Engulfing, her A4, Emblem 4

[neon harness]

Each 1% above 100% Energy Recharge that the Raiden Shogun possesses grants her:
0.6% greater Energy restoration from Musou Isshin
0.4% Electro DMG Bonus.

[umbral sedge]

SANDS

[sharp saddle]

also she has a 90 cost burst. She'd need to refill it too

[sweet glen]

So does the mean i just need to scale the er without focusing on crit rate and dmg as a main stat

[sharp saddle]

nah, you need those too

[neon harness]

without engulfing you should aim for er around 220, 1:2 ratio crit, and decent atk

[sweet glen]

What if i have 1:1 ratio

[woeful narwhal]

If I'm using Xiangling in a Raiden national team should I give her Attack or EM sands? I use the Catch on her

[neon harness]

better be 200:200

[neon harness]

em

[lyric cargo]

both emblem of severed fate and raiden's passive scale with EM. It's still not worth building more than you need to get your burst back unless you have her signature weapon.

that said, her signature is not great afaik. though it solves the problem of sometimes not getting your burst back, by making overbuilding ER optimal

[neon harness]

EM

[sweet glen]

Er?

[neon harness]

lol yes

[sweet glen]

I can make it 100:100

[lyric cargo]

(not getting your burst back because enemies die too early in the rotation, and the team doesn't deal much damage without using bursts)

[neon harness]

damn, im stuck at 2:1

[sweet glen]

1:1 means crit dmg at each hit?

[jolly junco]

raiden national (c0 raiden) is an exception to this I believe, since her damage contribution is generally low enough that the extra energy generation from building more ER than she needs to burst every rotation can result in better team dps

[lyric cargo]

oh, that's interesting. so you might run ER sands with r5 fav or catch?

[jolly junco]

yeah

[lyric cargo]

I'll have to see what ER sands I have

[jolly junco]

it'd only be worth it if you can then adjust your other builds for more offensive stats and less ER though

like on xiangling

that said I don't think it's a bad idea building like 250 ER on raiden in rational if not using fav, since you can get cucked with bad particle rng from her skill

[neon wave]

No, just means CR is the same as CD
You crit every time if your CR is at 100%

If 100:100 then both are true ye

[spiral mantle]

which one?

[keen willow]

That one looks better

[spiral mantle]

which specifically

[median glade]

that

[fallow yoke]

does em also increases frozen's duration?

[rugged sparrow]

no

[fallow yoke]

how to increase frozen's duration

like the ice from diona melts faster than ganyu's

[keen willow]

Its gauge theory

[lyric cargo]

https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Frozen

[keen willow]

Idk if it works for freeze tho

[keen willow]

Who tf is canine bunshin

[lyric cargo]

apparently an event enemy

[keen willow]

Ohhh the cafe dog... didn't know we could freeze him

[lyric cargo]

maybe we can do the calculation for both. I'm not sure how many gauge units they apply though.

the max I'd expect would be 2U of hydro and 2U of cryo, so 4U of freeze.
Then freeze duration would be 2 sqrt(5 * 4 + 4) - 4 = 5.8 seconds?

though realistically some of the initial aura would have decayed already, so you'd never get 4U of freeze

[rugged sparrow]

because Diona Q has ICD and only ticks every 2s so

Ganyu's Q has ICD too but it hits way faster

[neon wave]

How much of an improvement is Kagura over LP in aggravate? I haven't found any calcs

For Yae

Ig I can just optimize it I always forget about that

[keen willow]

Rosarias Q has no icd

[opal surge]

https://tenor.com/view/oppa-oppaxl-xiangling-pepe-w-origifs-gif-26073719

[pulsar zinc]

does xiphos moonlight usually come with kazuha banner?

[jolly junco]

depends on the team but its around 20%

personal damage

[lyric cargo]

https://paimon.moe/banners
Kazuha patches: 1.6.2, 2.8.1, 3.7.2
Xiphos patches: 3.1.2, 3.6.1

[fallow yoke]

pog

[lyric cargo]

it's only been two runs, but so far it's always run with Key (nilou signature)

[pulsar zinc]

ic its nilou's wep huh

[rugged sparrow]

it's just part of Sumeru 4-star weaps

[jolly junco]

key is, xiphos' was nilou's best 4* wep until dockhand released

[fallow yoke]

dockhand better?

[rugged sparrow]

similar patterns can be observed on other nation's 4-star weaps, they're generally tied to the respective 5-stars of that nation

[jolly junco]

yes

[rugged sparrow]

Dockhand has HP sub, Xiphos doesn't

[lyric cargo]

in nilou teams, xiphos can be used on Ayato if you pull it

[jolly junco]

or xingqiu

[lyric cargo]

right, I don't often think of xq in nilou teams

[pulsar zinc]

ic bloom combo

[fallow yoke]

xingqiu for real use xiphos?

my xingqiu's em is 300

[rugged sparrow]

tbf building triple EM on Xq is vile

[jolly junco]

this is specifically for nilou bloom with EM xingqiu

[fallow yoke]

ok

[jolly junco]

not a general use case build

[pulsar zinc]

so for kazuha, cons or sig first?

[jolly junco]

for which team(s)?

[pulsar zinc]

ig imma use him with neuvi

[jolly junco]

freedom sworn then

[lyric cargo]

that's if they already have it?

I'm not sure how good a pull it is

you might get it if you're going for Neuv's sig

[jolly junco]

well im not saying its a great pull, they basically asked which is better

kazuha's c2 in a neuv team is just 8 more dmg% for part of the rotation

[lyric cargo]

yea

[jolly junco]

the fact FS will be with Tome gives more reason to go wep banner

if you don't have tome, just chart for it and if you get FS beforehand cool

[lyric cargo]

it's kinda sad how freedom-sworn buffs plunge dmg but doesn't seem especially good for Xianyun teams still

[opal surge]

its just hard to fit

I would run freedomsworn on furina for tao plunge but idk how to proc it well

[lyric cargo]

I'd consider it on bennett otherwise, though you'd probably prefer ayaka's Sig on him

[rugged sparrow]

she cant proc it at all no? cuz it requires reaction

[opal surge]

yeah

[rugged sparrow]

unless enemies have non-hydro aura

[jolly junco]

best use cases for FS are like kazuha and kuki really

[opal surge]

maybe it would be less teamdps even if I ran freedomsworn on furina anyway

If i lose some furina damage

[rugged sparrow]

also ER moment

[opal surge]

[neon wave]

Thanks

I'm close to pity on weap..........

[opal surge]

Id like to get one more bennet so I can goof around with bennet plunge a bit

I do have mistsplitter already

[jolly junco]

i would do it but im biased towards yae

[lyric cargo]

for Furina, you'd probably prefer key

[jolly junco]

jade spear is a pretty good wep too if you lose to it

[neon wave]

I'm also missing a spear for Raiden

[rugged sparrow]

PJWS and Kagura are pretty goodge

[jolly junco]

ye so basically it's a win/win if you get either

[neon wave]

Cause catch is permanent on XL

[opal surge]

biggest downside is that PJWS is standard

[rugged sparrow]

dump XL

[opal surge]

And its not unlikely that itll appear on chronicled wish at some point too

[rugged sparrow]

rob Catch from her cold, dead hands

[rugged sparrow]

eh, don't see how it's a big of a deal imo

[jolly junco]

dont listen to the beaver

[rugged sparrow]

Ive been playing for 3 years and still no PJWS/Amos/WGS

[opal surge]

takes away from the happiness you get if you do actually get PJWS from a standard wish i guess

Doesnt matter much though

[neon wave]

[rugged sparrow]

nah PJWS reminds me Xiao I'd be depressed if I get it either way

[jolly junco]

multiple characters can use PJWS so if u get a second one its not joever

[neon wave]

Raiden is in E bot prison for now

[lyric cargo]

I'd feel bad pulling for pjws and then getting a second one later

(it also makes running MH on Xiao awkward, I'm coping he'll get a cd spear that's better than >50% homa)

[rugged sparrow]

just get 0 cr subs

pump that 40cdmg artis

[neon wave]

I'm like at 1 pity on standard it'll take months at best

[lyric cargo]

one per artifact is free though, if you never roll into it

[rugged sparrow]

[jolly junco]

and then you'll possibly lose to a k*qing anyway

[neon wave]

A ten pull never hurt anyone right

[rugged sparrow]

or D*luc...

[jolly junco]

she gonna whale

[rugged sparrow]

🐳

can't wait for next week for HPath

[jolly junco]

same

[lyric cargo]

I got him the other day, 13 pity on standard

now I got a second marginally different GaMing

[jolly junco]

i have prefarmed the mats already

[rugged sparrow]

same

now lowkey wishing it doesn't take literal double pity to get it

[rugged sparrow]

neat'o

[neon wave]

ez

[jolly junco]

pog, grats

[rugged sparrow]

cake holder

[opal surge]

I only just now realized kaguras is a cat toy

[rugged sparrow]

actually they've never disclosed the 4-star on Chronicled Banners, have they

[neon wave]

No

Maybe there won't be any

[rugged sparrow]

?

that'd be omega scuffed

[opal surge]

I dont think there will be rate up 4*

you just get whatever I think

[rugged sparrow]

probably using standard pool

[neon wave]

Now I have to rebuild Yae

First world problems ik

Though ig optimizer has to rebuild Yae

[rugged sparrow]

if you're using 2p2p, shouldn't be too hard cuz u can just yoink spare pieces

[neon wave]

She certainly is the gilded curse hasn't let up yet

Haitham is sitting at like 170 CV

[neon wave]

Well sometimes up-rated 4*s are very bad

But it's nice if you want some specific cons

Idk how I feel about it

[rugged sparrow]

wild west 4-star pool

suddenly getting Xinyan, followed up by Yun Jin

then 3x Eye of Perception in a row

[fallow yoke]

i need an option to use another team comp

recently my only comp is just like pyro dps and quicken dps

i wonder if i should pull chiori to unlock the new comp, geo dps or go for xiao for anemo dps

[rugged sparrow]

up to you, pull for whoever you like

[fallow yoke]

im still thinking about like cryo but all of the dpses are weird

[rugged sparrow]

?

[fallow yoke]

maybe i should go for xiao to utilize my venti

they're good together right

[rugged sparrow]

Venti and Xiao has little to no synergy

[fallow yoke]

what

[rugged sparrow]

what

[fallow yoke]

anemo battery is not

[rugged sparrow]

Venti's A4 only restores energy for himself and the infused element

[fallow yoke]

ok then

i think imma do chiorii

[rugged sparrow]

and for batterying, there are literally other units that do it better than Venti

[fallow yoke]

who is it

[rugged sparrow]

c6 Faru

[fallow yoke]

my faru only c4

[rugged sparrow]

Sucrose is also better in that regard since TTDS + higher particle count

[opal surge]

sucrose

[fallow yoke]

whats the team then

if i were to pull xiao

even tho thats embarrasing

[opal surge]

the same thing you wanted to do with venti but with sucrose instead

[rugged sparrow]

Xiao/anemo battery/flex/flex

[fallow yoke]

xiao benny xiangling sucrose?

[opal surge]

okay not that

[fallow yoke]

xiao benny layla sucrose?

[rugged sparrow]

Xiangling is kinda bleh but it works

[fallow yoke]

my layla is c3

[opal surge]

do you have ZL maybe?

Xianyun faruzan

[fallow yoke]

yes but i dont have the artifacts

[opal surge]

furina

Just take your layla artifacts and put them on ZL :idk:

[fallow yoke]

if i use zhongli on xiao team, the hu tao team's layla shield will gone

[fallow yoke]

i have mona

[opal surge]

why are you using layla over ZL in your hutao team

[fallow yoke]

thats not it

so if you told me to put zl in xiao team imma use layla for zl subs in hu tao

[opal surge]

oh i thought ZL has no artifacts tho

[fallow yoke]

no its layla

but layla was built because she was used before i got zhongli

[opal surge]

I mean you can do bennet xl i guess if you have nothing else

idk if layla is better than xl

[fallow yoke]

okay then

lets see if im lucky for xiao

[opal surge]

is c4 faruzan maybe better still than XL? Idk

[jolly junco]

yes

no c6 faruzan be like

[rugged sparrow]

despair

[neon wave]

159 with Sucrose is pretty tragic

[jolly junco]

you can technically get away with much less ER if you can clear in 2 rotations

but like

[neon wave]

Wait why

[jolly junco]

sucrose's E starts with 2 charges, and you would need to catch them but since you can prefunnel, you can get 4 skills worth of particles (xiao's) for xiao's 2nd burst

[fallow yoke]

how about mono anemo xiao

with sayu

[jolly junco]

if you try to build ER around that though and you end up needing more than 2 rotations, it's joever

[jolly junco]

no

not worth losing bennett

xiao mains weapon calcs ignore ER which is kinda funny

which is why there is a massive bolded text in the build guide for xiao's weapon rankings

[neon wave]

I also use the delusional method sometimes

Does he need much ER at all with C6 Faru xianyun furina?

[jolly junco]

No, it's low here

around 110-120% with 1 favonius weapon, for consistent rotations

[neon wave]

I see

Bit sad if you don't have all of them though

[jolly junco]

at c6, faru goes from generating 2 anemo particles per rotation to 8

[opal surge]

its lowkey kind of silly that with triple anemo and both anemo supports generating decent particles and favge yous till need some ER on xiao

[jolly junco]

eh, that's not uncommon for several other triple element teams either (needing to build ER on characters)

[rugged sparrow]

still better than whatever the fuck XL needs even in triple pyro

energy blackhole

[neon wave]

You don't like XL do you

[rugged sparrow]

how can you tell

:^)

[keen condor]

It’s like 160 (with funneling) I think or at least from what I tried

Tulpa pain

[latent flicker]

fora xiao team what artifact sets gots with who? (xiao faruzan bennet xian yun)

[opal surge]

is faruzan c6?

[latent flicker]

yes

[opal surge]

Xiao VMA/MH or 2p/2p, Faruzan TOTM, Bennet Noblesse Xianyun SODP I guess

[indigo sleet]

Fun/challenging team ideas for F12 plz, running out of ideas while waiting for 4.5 abyss...

Pulled for Yae Miko so I could have something new to play with but still isn't a lot of options

[lyric cargo]

Xiao 4MH is also possible afaik, though it clashes with cr weapons

[opal surge]

true, added it

[lyric cargo]

ideally you want Furina, though MH was listed for him even before she came out (?)

I'm not sure how long he + xianyun alone take to stack it

[opal surge]

should be 2 seconds right

xiao loses hp/s

[lyric cargo]

unusual 2nd half teams:
Nahida (plunge), Furina Xianyun Kuki
Yae (plunge), Nahida Furina Xianyun

[lyric cargo]

so 2 stacks every 1 second?

[opal surge]

nah he drains 2% current hp per second in his ult, so he gains 2 stacks by himself within 2 seconds and xianyun healing gives the third, right?

[indigo sleet]

I assume 1st half is just whatever cuz it's easy?

[lyric cargo]

MH doesn't care about the size of the hp change, iirc so that's still 1 stack?

[opal surge]

after 2 seconds he drains himself twice

if he drains 2% per second

thats 2 stacks, or am I crazy

[lyric cargo]

and because I didn't see an AoE team I'd choose

[lyric cargo]

oh, 2 stacks within 2 seconds, got it

[lyric cargo]

1st half, probably some kazuha team

[indigo sleet]

Alr fair

[elfin tusk]

Would it be fine if I used calamity queller on xiao

[small blade]

It's a good weapon on him

[lyric cargo]

this isn't in their description of Vortex Vanquisher, but it's mentioned on 4MH:

downside is, he got another good team member in Xianyun. So it's actually awkward to run Zhongli

I'm not sure how good Vortex Vanquisher is without a shield

[jade jetty]

how do people clear abyss when they can only have bennett on one side ?

[jolly junco]

there are plenty of strong teams in the game that don't use bennett

[strange scarab]

because bennett isnt everything

[opal surge]

I dont know what I would do without my bennet enabling alhaitham kazuha burgeon

[strange scarab]

[lyric cargo]

he's becoming less necessary as more characters come out

you might not have as large of a pool yet?

the ideal Xiao team replaced him for example,
it's now Xianyun + Furina + c6 Farzuan

[strange scarab]

easy on bad words, whoever that is!

[lyric cargo]

they tried to post in multiple rooms and it got deleted in each

maybe a bot

[jade jetty]

what happened

[strange scarab]

shut

[opal surge]

someones phished and got automodded

[honest heart]

a

misspelled

itto coming soon

les goo

i have nothing saved

only 40cv artifacts

[strange scarab]

nob isue

[haughty hawk]

guoballs

[devout harbor]

whats the best artifacts for chongyun?

[lyric cargo]

on some specific team?

[narrow folio]

Easily

[ember abyss]

Is klee worth building, I'm attempting to build a decent pyro dps

[lyric cargo]

you already pulled her? got a screenshot of your character pool?

https://act.hoyolab.com/app/community-game-records-sea/m.html
^ you can take the screenshot on hoyo's site

[lyric cargo]

afaik, her main teams are monopyro and vape Furina

[jolly junco]

given your options, short answer is no unless you just want to play her

build xiangling

[narrow folio]

And who wouldn't want to play Klee?

[jolly junco]

jerry would agree with you

actually no he probably wouldn't

[ember abyss]

Based on my expirience, I. Because she's slow. Idk if the problem is with me or it's just is

[narrow folio]

I was joking, most people don't like playing Klee

[jolly junco]

she's quite good with furina now

[narrow folio]

True

But I think that applies to a lot of characters

Because Furina is an amazing unit

[jolly junco]

to some extent

[narrow folio]

[ember abyss]

She can't hit floating targets which sucks

[jolly junco]

there are some characters in which furina isn't an upgrade over other options, or is a sidegrade at best

with some characters like klee, furina is an upgrade

[lyric cargo]

What's that team btw? Klee, Bennett, Furina, [anemo]?

[jolly junco]

and with some characters well, using furina is a downgrade

[narrow folio]

Xianyun

[jolly junco]

klee, bennett, furina, xiangling/kazuha normally

[narrow folio]

I should play Klee again

It's been a while

[ember abyss]

Yeah, I wanna play klee again, just for trolls

[charred junco]

I've got the "lost relic" liyue quest constantly , 3 different versions but keep getting it instead of the achievement version

Is it rng or am I missing something?

[jade jetty]

easily what ?

[median glade]

abus

[narrow folio]

Abyss

[jade jetty]

what is that ?

[narrow folio]

Are you okay?

[opal surge]

hes a non native speaker probably

[keen willow]

Haven't used benne in 30 weeks

[neon wave]

Rng
The new system doesn't account for different versions, it'll just keep giving you Lost Relic until you get lucky and get Little Raid and get the achievement

[keen willow]

Hoyolab isn't updated 😔

[charred junco]

screeee

Ty

[charred junco]

I don't use Bennett at all

In fact, my teams don't even have synergy

[lyric cargo]

spiral abyss is the hardest content in the game

[charred junco]

I use qiqi and Barbara on the same team because fuck it

[median glade]

artifact farming is harder content

[narrow folio]

Surely

[lyric cargo]

now I feel like we're being trolled

[shadow lynx]

you use this

[jade jetty]

oh i thought abyss was like the out of the map lol hahahahas

[keen willow]

Truely needed 2 Bennetts

[narrow folio]

Hyperbloom

[keen willow]

We ball

[narrow folio]

edited

[haughty hawk]

balls

[velvet ingot]

[lyric cargo]

hyperbloom for the AoE side

[neon harness]

[haughty lotus]

Kinda hot pfp

[neon harness]

Thank

My boi dongli

[ocean kiln]

[ocean kiln]

You used 6 5☆s tho

[haughty hawk]

gooonnngggggg

[haughty lotus]

Hi lemon

[ocean kiln]

Hi granny

[haughty lotus]

Erm

[ocean kiln]

[dusty cape]

[ocean kiln]

How are you doing my lovely folks

[neon harness]

[ocean kiln]

[latent flicker]

Xiao VMA/MH or 2p/2p, Faruzan TOTM, Bennet Noblesse Xianyun SODP I guess

what are these acronyms mean QnQ

[haughty lotus]

Vermillion/marechaussee, tenacity, song of days past (don’t farm this if you don’t have Navia)

[ocean kiln]

Xiao with Vermillion or Marechausee Hunter (either 4pc or 2pc mix between those two)

Faruzan with Tenacity of the Millileth

Bennett with Noblesse Oblige

Xianyun with Song of the Days Past (her artifact set)

[latent flicker]

imma yoink this into my notes

[ocean kiln]

[neon harness]

[noble vale]

@haughty lotus sorry had to ping but got some updates on farming

Got the circlet VV em and feather em sub

[haughty lotus]

ok

[noble vale]

Need to get EM VV Goblet

Oh but need to make sure I have 4 piece and 1 off piece

[ocean kiln]

[haughty lotus]

ok

[ocean kiln]

Ok

[haughty lotus]

What about her, huh?

[ocean kiln]

???

[haughty lotus]

Don’t play dumb with me, boy.

[ocean kiln]

Wdym

@haughty lotus duo when

[haughty lotus]

I don’t play L🤮L

[ocean kiln]

LoL is so omega based

[haughty lotus]

Depends on the day, y’know?

[dusty cape]

[ocean kiln]

Rare twig sighting

[ocean kiln]

Wdym

[dusty cape]

rare green lime Sangle’s mom sighting

[ocean kiln]

[haughty hawk]

Nuts III: Rebirth

[haughty lotus]

If I’m tired of gacha games maybe I’ll play a moba for the day

[haughty lotus]

How may I assist you?

[dusty cape]

what happened to Nuts II: Electric Buggalo

[haughty hawk]

hey babe

[ocean kiln]

One MOBA a day keeps the psychiatrist away

[haughty lotus]

I think it does the opposite ngl

[ocean kiln]

League is so wholesome

[haughty lotus]

Clueless emoji

[ocean kiln]

Cluegimaximuschunguspremiumdeluxe emoji

Anyways Evelynn new skin

[haughty lotus]

Whom

[ocean kiln]

[haughty hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/league-of-legends-meme-hop-on-hop-on-league-gif-27081663

[ocean kiln]

How are you Nuts III

Did I miss Nuts II

And Nuts I

[haughty lotus]

I ended both before they could come into existence

[dusty cape]

https://tenor.com/view/saying-hi-to-a-frienf-but-their-nuts-are-hanging-out-rowley-rowley-jefferson-diary-of-a-wimpy-kid-hi-gif-2007951695992235961

[ocean kiln]

[haughty lotus]

I don’t play league, does that mean we are going to live happily together??

[ocean kiln]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1145454066940518611.gif?size=48&quality=lossless

[haughty hawk]

of course sweetheart

[ocean kiln]

Is this server still 1984

[haughty lotus]

Not really

[ocean kiln]

[haughty hawk]

can i help u

[ocean kiln]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1145454066940518611.gif?size=48&quality=lossless

[dusty cape]

[haughty hawk]

[median glade]

[haughty lotus]

hi jenshin-chan

[neon harness]

Hi babagu

[haughty lotus]

Hi.

[neon harness]

Why.

[haughty lotus]

Why what.

[neon harness]

Why what why..

[haughty lotus]

Who why what when did I ask.

[neon harness]

ok

[haughty lotus]

#ok

[opal surge]

Why is lyney not a cat btw

[indigo sleet]

Which Goblet is better?

[fiery fern]

depends on your total stats

can you take a pic of that ?

[indigo sleet]

Sure

[fiery fern]

you dont need that much ER

around 240-260 is fine

i'd go with this:

too much ER isnt good either

[indigo sleet]

Alr

[indigo sleet]

Maybe, but I get more Electro Dmg Bonus with more ER for some reason (even if it is excessive)

[random hawk]

You need 270er for her and also try to get more crit rate

[fiery fern]

if you want balanced stats u can use the one i mentioned, most cases its better if its balanced

[indigo sleet]

I'll play around with Artifacts a bit

[fiery fern]

do you have a crit circlet on?

[indigo sleet]

CD circlet

[fiery fern]

u could try with crit rate w dmg substat

u'd have like 75-80 crit rate then and thats more than decent

[opal surge]

Crit rate

But yeah just use optimizer

[quaint fern]

^

[opal surge]

Was there icd on giving out cat ears and tails and lyney was unlucky to be a twin

[indigo sleet]

I could go with this build too

[fiery fern]

this is more balanced, looks good, try to increase the CD a bit more

Around 160-180 it should be pretty decent

just keep CR above 60

[opal surge]

Crit is basically 1:2, it's good to keep it this way

You can try to find two more other offensive rolls instead of ER rolls, or use optimizer

[indigo sleet]

I mean I just need better artifacts

That flower has a lot to be desired

[quaint fern]

8 good substats is pretty decent

It's just that the CD low rolled

Otherwise, a solid flower

Also that goblet should be illegal

[indigo sleet]

No

[indigo sleet]

This goblet should

[quaint fern]

WALK INTO A RIVER

GRAB A FISH WITH YOUR HANDS

COOK IT

XIANGLING, NICE AND SPICY 🥵

[indigo sleet]

I'm using it on Klee

[quaint fern]

Bro better have c2 klee

[indigo sleet]

Not yet, but about to in 4.5

[sick quarry]

I've gotten Xiao up to 32k dmg per plunge on a crit when he's buffed by Faruzan. His talents are still only like level 6. I'm so close to the 90/200 ratio I want for his crits, I just need a better cup..

[quaint fern]

Only 32k?????

[indigo sleet]

What's your best Goblet

[quaint fern]

Yeah why are you doing artifacts before talents

At least get them to lvl 8 before arrifacts

[sick quarry]

Yeah, I've just been spending resin on Faruzan's artifacts while I wait for his materials to be in rotation

[quaint fern]

You strongbox tenacity

Unless you're a eula haver like me who actually has an excuse to go there

[sick quarry]

Well, I dont really have any other use for the 160 daily resin currently. But tomorrow I'll definitely be grinding for his talents

I have most things ready, I'm just missing a couple of the talent books that come in tomorrow

[sick quarry]

This is what he's using right now. It's not very good.

[indigo sleet]

😬

[quaint fern]

Send us your enka card

[sick quarry]

Don't have any other options really, but it's okay for now I guess

let me pull up enka real quick

Like I said, talents will be much higher level by tomorrow, lol

[opal surge]

There's no shot youre plunging only for 32k

[quaint fern]

Surely no supports

[sick quarry]

I guess I can go fight Masanori again and see if I misread or something, lol. My supports are total garbage I will say, they're still a huge WIP

[median glade]

what support

[quaint fern]

Also are you sure those are your best feather and flowers???

[sick quarry]

Faruzan, Sucrose and Zhongli are the other members of Xiao's team

[random hawk]

If you have good atk goblet you can use that

[quaint fern]

Surely you have glad/shime thats better

[opal surge]

The flower is rly good

[median glade]

y no benny

[neon harness]

Because faruzan is c6, you can remove sucrose for Benny

[sick quarry]

Shes c1 lol

[random hawk]

Lol

[neon harness]

Oh

[quaint fern]

Yeah but I'm concerned about it falling off with the amount of atk% you get externally

[sick quarry]

I do not, that's the best I got

[quaint fern]

Especially if they're trying to get 4 VH

[crystal kindle]

Nice build

[opal surge]

Eh that's fair

[indigo sleet]

Use a better weapon perhaps?

[crystal kindle]

You should get into vermilion and spend 3 years to get a decent 4p

[sick quarry]

I am getting a little overwhelmed with the amount of people commenting on the build.

Those are my best pieces and my best weapon. I wasn't planning on going for 4 piece VH because I have so many other characters in need of building.

[neon harness]

That’s one of the best 4 star options

[opal surge]

Build is fine, weapon is good

[crystal kindle]

Ah, don't worry, besides my joke, the build is actually good

Hopefully u have c6 faruzan tho

[opal surge]

Your build is significantly better than what you're plunging for, that's why people were surprised to begin with

[neon harness]

Yau

[crystal kindle]

Depends on your team tbh

[crystal kindle]

Wait what

[neon harness]

[opal surge]

Why does it depend on your team

[crystal kindle]

HEAR ME OUT

Er polearm on xiao

I'm just saying

[neon harness]

[crystal kindle]

Lithic is pretty good tbh

[sick quarry]

Yeah thats fair. I think I'm really just in need of better supports and higher level talents. If Xiao didn't need a battery I would definitely use benny instead of Sucrose, but he barely ever gets his burst without her.

[opal surge]

I mean favge is reasonable but it's not beating deathmatch

[indigo sleet]

Could also just level his talents further

[sick quarry]

Yep, thats the plan tonight when his talent mats are in rotation

[opal surge]

They already said they're leveling talents tmrw

[quaint fern]

They're getting like 32k plunges with that, which is why I'm surprised it's not at least around 2-3 times higher

[crystal kindle]

Depending on your team it can be better, you won't be using that crit rate if you can't even burst properly

But yeah, death march is probably his best option 4*

[opal surge]

Are we pretending that we can't get er in substats

Just because you don't play fav doesn't mean you can't burst

[crystal kindle]

I never said so

I just said that playing favge makes you burst more often, if you can't get a lot of Er/particles from supports

[opal surge]

"you won't be using that crit rate if you can't even burst properly" assumes that the non fav build doesn't have enough er

[indigo sleet]

What supports are you using

[sick quarry]

When I'm building Faruzan, Sucrose and Zhongli, what artifacts sets should I give them to maximize Xiao dmg?

[crystal kindle]

No, it simply assumes that your death march won't be useful if your xiao doesn't have Er nor good supports to give him energy

You will burst, that's for sure, but it'll happen once per eula rerun

[indigo sleet]

I see

[crystal kindle]

Then he'll be bursting pretty often

[opal surge]

So you assume it's not enough er

Otherwise they'd burst once per rotation

[indigo sleet]

Could use more offensive supports if you want more dmg

[sick quarry]

Maybe I could swap out Zhongli for Benny or something like that

[opal surge]

Weapon calcs aren't done by using the same build and only swapping weapons, that makes no sense

Ofc if you swap er weapon for cr weapon you'll change the build for more er

[crystal kindle]

Assuming he doesn't have good support to make him burst often (which in this case he actually have 2 anemo units giving particles) yes, I was assuming 118 Er wouldn't be enough, is that wrong?

[crystal kindle]

I never said the contrary

[opal surge]

That doesn't make deathmatch worse than favge in certain teams

[indigo sleet]

Could do that, or if you have Xianyun she's really good for Xiao

[crystal kindle]

I never said so?

[opal surge]

You did

[crystal kindle]

Ping

[sick quarry]

Unfortunately, no Xianyun. I can show you my characters I guess.

[real vault]

is xiao worth spending money on

[crystal kindle]

If you enjoy the character, probably?

Meta wise? If you have the right supports, probably?

[real vault]

yes or no for meta

[crystal kindle]

Where?

[sick quarry]

Not many great choices here.

[opal surge]

Also here

[sick quarry]

Also, you can see where the problem with the supports lies, lol. I wasn't prepared at all for Xiao, so I never really worked on characters like Faruzan

[crystal kindle]

"The best weapon"

I just said "it depends on your team"

Is that wrong?

Is death march always the best option for xiao?

[crystal kindle]

Again, I said "depending on your team it can be better"

Once again, Is it wrong? Is death march always better?

[indigo sleet]

Need to invest in your supports more, I feel like you probably vertically invested in Xiao too much?

[opal surge]

It is, if the build is adjusted for generic xiao teams deathmatch is better than favge

If you're not adjusting the xiao build that's arguing in bad faith for favge

[crystal kindle]

Thus, it depends on your team, right?

[opal surge]

No, it does not depend on the team

[real vault]

soo

[random hawk]

In terms of 4stsar it is bis for him

[crystal kindle]

Well, if you say so

[sick quarry]

Yep, that's exactly the case. Though, once I'm done leveling Xiao's talents, I plan to work on Faruzan.

Also, I think I will swap Zhongli for Benny.

[random hawk]

Not really

[opal surge]

Bennets best weapon is always favge if you just assume that non fav Bennet always doesn't have er to burst

It's just a bad premise

[real vault]

so is xiao meta or no

[neon harness]

Not really

[sick quarry]

He isn't really meta but he is pretty good, lol.

[crystal kindle]

His best team is meta, xiao himself Idk

[indigo sleet]

Is Faruzan C6?

[neon harness]

C1

[real vault]

so is it worth dropping real money on xiao

[neon harness]

Only if you like him

[real vault]

hes kinda boring lmao

[random hawk]

If you have the support like faruzan c6 , xianyun and furina then yes

[sick quarry]

Xiao C0 , Faruzan C1, Sucrose C0, Benny C0

[opal surge]

That depends on if you think spending money on an ingame characteris worth or not

[neon harness]

Personal preferences

[opal surge]

I think no character in the game is worth spending money for

[real vault]

well im sure hell come back sooner or later, what about yae miko is she any good

[random hawk]

Replace faruzan with zhongli

[neon harness]

Yes

[crystal kindle]

Bennett's Bis isn't favge tho, falcon is better if your bennett is well invested? Unless u need him to favge for your team

[sick quarry]

Really? I thought Faruzan was near essential for Xiao nowadays, lol.

[neon harness]

C6 sure, pre c6, questionable

[crystal kindle]

If she's c6 yeah

[opal surge]

...

[crystal kindle]

Am I wrong?

[random hawk]

If she was c6 , the er requirements are pretty high for her

[sick quarry]

Then here's the team

[neon harness]

👍

[crystal kindle]

Why would u favge on bennett if he has enough Er and can be more useful with falcon?

[neon harness]

Is falcon Aquilla?

[opal surge]

Arguing that for xiao favge is better than deathmatch is the same as arguing that for Bennet favge is better than his bis

[crystal kindle]

Yeah

[random hawk]

Probably

[sick quarry]

Xiao's on Deathmatch, Zhongli on Black Tassel I think? Sucrose Sac fragments, Benny is on Alley Flash

[opal surge]

Both assume that the character can't burst without favge, which is silly

[sick quarry]

ttds?

[random hawk]

In future if you get c1 sucrose use thrilling tales

[sick quarry]

Oh, okay

[crystal kindle]

I simply said that there are cases where it's better to have an Er polearm over death march, mainly if you cannot burst often due to a lack of good supports.

Death march is probably his bis 4* wise

I know

[opal surge]

I could also argue that for navia, fav greatsword is actually better than serpent spine, if I cant burst every rotation on serpent spine. THis doesnt make fav greatsword better than seprent spine for certain teams, it just means that you need to build more ER on your navia, because building ER on navia + equipping serpent spine is better than building crit on navia and equipping favge

[crystal kindle]

I can ping my message saying "you can certainly ult, but It'll happen once per Eula rerun" obviously a joke about him being able to ult, but it won't be that often

[opal surge]

Thats the exact same for xiao, its not team dependant, building crit + favge is just less optimal than building ER + deathmatch, thats simply it

[crystal kindle]

Navia's burst isn't as essential as xiao's burst, your assumption wouldn't make any sense to begin with?

[opal surge]

Navias burst is essential

[untold pecan]

atk vs em sands for melt wrio

[crystal kindle]

"it is not as essential as xiao's burst"

[random hawk]

What team

[crystal kindle]

I didn't say it wasn't essential.

[untold pecan]

bennett, nahida, xiangling

[haughty lotus]

optimizer tm