📌gimshim-help

[shadow lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/zy0x-zyox-stare-hes-approaching-rapidly-gif-592656614308371287

[sick quarry]

I felt everyone's pain.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

[quaint fern]

you didn't even +4 that

before going all the way

[sick quarry]

i just realized that....

you're right......

[quaint fern]

why would you do that

[sick quarry]

HAHAHAHAH! IT ROLLED DEF!!!

[shadow lynx]

but hey 20 CD is alright

[sick quarry]

nah its doomed 😔

[quaint fern]

WHY DID YOU EVEN+20 THAT

[sick quarry]

LMAO

look mane, hopium is always a thing.

[quaint fern]

well I guess it's better than nothing

use it for now because you have like, zero artifacts

[shadow lynx]

I see a pattern here

[sick quarry]

meaning ;-;

[shadow lynx]

Crit rate what's that??

[sick quarry]

HAHAHAHA!

[shadow lynx]

is that the shit people use when they want to do consistent damage?

couldn't be me

[quaint fern]

I am the crit rate

they call me mostcritikal

[shadow lynx]

screw you

17.1 BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRO

[quaint fern]

BRO

TAKE A LOOK AT THE SET BONUS

[rugged sparrow]

just dont overcap easy

[lyric cargo]

MH can be like BS on some chars

where you kinda want the perfect piece to have both cr and cd but never roll into cr

[quaint fern]

some of my blizzard pieces also look like that 😭

I swear my ayaka build could be so much better if the same crit value rolled into CD instead of CR

[shadow lynx]

My Ayaka build might also be good if mihoyo finally gave me a WORKABLE SANDS

[quaint fern]

SURELY A 40 CD ON SET ATK GOBLET HOYO

[shadow lynx]

but good crit rolls on a Cryo goblet? nah

no bueno RNG ain't touchin that

[lyric cargo]

the game will only give you that if you decide you don't like cryo

[quaint fern]

I don't even use my best elemental dmg gobet

[shadow lynx]

still no 45+ CV elemental dmg bonus goblet

mihoyo hates goblets

[quaint fern]

I've been playing since launch and still no 50 CV piece

@haughty lotus alone has a 50 cv 😔

[lyric cargo]

I like it a bit more since Xianyun

pyro units melting is good now in theory, I'm just waiting for the right cryo units

[haughty lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-gojo-satoru-satoru-gojo-jujutsu-kaisen-jjk-gif-1168431852424991894

[lyric cargo]

how many with 7 crit rolls?

[shadow lynx]

New Genshin players have it easier somewhat with the vast amount of content except building an artifact inventory tho is going to be brutal

[lyric cargo]

when I started, you could still strongbox VV without high opportunity cost

now there are more sets to compete

[quaint fern]

from what I've counted on my optimizer, 7

[lyric cargo]

I'm still at 0 of those

[sour birch]

i have 2

it's a fucking def goblet and an hp circlet

[lyric cargo]

though I really can't complain, with pieces like these

ultimately I'm not sure how good a 50cv flower with flat atk and flat hp would be

I might not even use it, with 7 useful rolls total

[rugged sparrow]

good for bragging rights

[sour birch]

ok but

[rugged sparrow]

rather have 30-40cv with no dead stats

[quaint fern]

wait the feather isnt 7 crit rolls nvm that one

[shadow lynx]

what it would look like but one piece doesn't make an entire build

[quaint fern]

I don't even remember rolling this

[rugged sparrow]

hand that over

[sour birch]

2nd highest cv on my account

[shadow lynx]

one day surely I get an insane sands for ayaka

[quaint fern]

my :balls: is using two of my 7 crit roll pieces

I legit can't use those on ayaka because there's way too much crit rate

[lyric cargo]

I found a +0 emblem plume with cr, cd, hp%, er in my box that I don't remember getting

[quaint fern]

https://tenor.com/view/cbz-gif-27104348

[shadow lynx]

perfect piece + 16 it and it rolls one into every sub stat lmao

[quaint fern]

you know, that piece could roll terribly and you would still save it

[lyric cargo]

must've locked it, not had enough artifact exp to roll, then forgotten

[quaint fern]

best case: yelan piece

worst case: you use it on some hp scaling character

30 er??? faruzan

[sour birch]

sands here is probably my highest cv piece that's actually useful

[quaint fern]

you legit can't go wrong with those stats

[lyric cargo]

it rolled well

[quaint fern]

I was thinking about some support like kok but yeah

[olive isle]

not as high as my 17.5 cr emblem feather

[rugged sparrow]

low rolls be damned ig

nah

it would've broken 800 RV if it's max roll(s)

[quaint fern]

still would keep that piece though

you'd be crazy to trash that

[lyric cargo]

nice thing about flower / plume / dmg% goblet, it's possible to get 4 useful subs and not worry about how it rolls

for many chars you can't get that on a sands / circlet, since the main stat blocks one sub from appearing

[quaint fern]

tldr: don't be like this guy https://www.twitch.tv/fobm4ster/clip/FreezingBraveDragonfruitMau5-lVxEcXc85bfjwNri

[shadow lynx]

he really just

[rugged sparrow]

wait it does

[lyric cargo]

also using 5-star artifacts to level up pieces in the first place

even +20 goes into strongbox for me, mora and artifact exp aren't important limitations

I guess they might be if you resin refresh

[quaint fern]

okay that's a you thing

I rarely have excess artifact exp

and that's only when a new area drops so I can go get them from chests

[haughty lotus]

you seriously strongbox +20s?

[lyric cargo]

yeah

[fallow yoke]

should i crown kazuha's burst

what

[haughty lotus]

No

[fallow yoke]

i've lvl 9 it

[haughty lotus]

No

[fallow yoke]

this surprises me

[shadow lynx]

I also strong box +20 at this point I farm for 40+ CV pieces

[lyric cargo]

most +20s I keep, unless the +16 was right on the edge of being keepable

[rugged sparrow]

his talents matter very less since he's mostly EM build

[fallow yoke]

no

im sorry

[rugged sparrow]

I mean you can crown him if you want to

[fallow yoke]

i thought his elemental bonus dmg is increased based the talent lvl

[rugged sparrow]

it's just not the best decision

[fallow yoke]

i dont want to

how about nahida's talent

[rugged sparrow]

I've seen people crown for less

skill > burst > NA usually

[lyric cargo]

https://keqingmains.com/kazuha/#Level_and_Talent_Priority https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1073722731939504218/1169964875913641994/image0.jpg?ex=65eaf9b3&is=65d884b3&hm=f6f4acd558334c02ff178d71fb6f26a8f4c4a0518a80103c3fa6c48a229f7033&

[quaint fern]

oh yeah that reminds me

[rugged sparrow]

NA only if on-field

[fallow yoke]

nahida?

[rugged sparrow]

what do you think

[quaint fern]

I should crown my kazuha's burst to get 0.00000001% more dmg from my ayaka

[fallow yoke]

keqing

okay then

[rugged sparrow]

[fallow yoke]

no crown for kazuha

[haughty lotus]

mbw

[quaint fern]

crowning is usually a luxary that you do when you have too many resources

[fallow yoke]

how about crown for xingqiu

[lyric cargo]

so going from 1/1/1 to 9/9/9 is barely a 3% increase

[rugged sparrow]

this

[haughty lotus]

crown whoever your little heart desires

[fallow yoke]

i want to make it worth it

[rugged sparrow]

it's still a strict upgrade though, but it's completely optional

[fallow yoke]

my crown is only 10

[strange scarab]

every king needs three crowns

[quaint fern]

I've crowned my ganyu's skill

every cryo queen needs three crowns from me

I'll get around to crowning rizzly's burst when we get overflowing mastery

[fallow yoke]

i've crowned my benny burst

[haughty lotus]

is shenhe NA done?

[fallow yoke]

and hutao is triple crown

[lyric cargo]

I crowned his burst, but I'm not exactly short on mora

I only farm talent books when there's an overflowing mastery event, that's the limiting factor.

[fallow yoke]

i wonder whats next

[rugged sparrow]

I've crowned every 90/90 chars that I have

[quaint fern]

I actually have a reason to crown it now that I can play freeze plunge

let me go check if I have enough books LOL

[fallow yoke]

what do you farm nowadays

[lyric cargo]

GT + Marechaussee domain

[quaint fern]

I don't remember if I crowned my eula's skilll or not

[fallow yoke]

so we farming artifacts now

[strange scarab]

who is we

[rugged sparrow]

wdym "now"

[shadow lynx]

THERE AIN'T NO WE

[fallow yoke]

because ive been killing bosses and getting talents to get my tighnari and yoimiya built

[quaint fern]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[rugged sparrow]

eh ppl have different priorities

Hidden for example, just farm mora/exp books/talents when there's overflow like he said

[strange scarab]

my priority right now is to get level 10 friendship

https://tenor.com/view/neco-arc-gif-25900194

[rugged sparrow]

Xianyun and Gaming left for f10

[shadow lynx]

yeh my priority is to put all my most valued waifus into my teapot

[quaint fern]

how much do I need to make again? was it 28 or 34 or somewhere around that

[rugged sparrow]

for what

[strange scarab]

my xianyun is already level 10 friendship since feb 23 so gaming is benched now

[quaint fern]

6 to 10

[fallow yoke]

my priority is to get 36 stars abyss

[rugged sparrow]

uh

[fallow yoke]

i never achieved

[quaint fern]

9 was 12, 10 was 16

[rugged sparrow]

4 + 6 + 12 + 16

[quaint fern]

I only remember those

okay 28 then

[rugged sparrow]

... 38

[quaint fern]

I should go to sleep

[rugged sparrow]

I legit thought I'm being gaslit

[quaint fern]

[rugged sparrow]

who dis

Layla?

or Eula

[lyric cargo]

I use https://genshin-center.com/planner for everything, don't need my brain to remember

[rugged sparrow]

the talent u fool

[haughty lotus]

silly billy

[rugged sparrow]

for 10% double book

ye

[quaint fern]

done @haughty lotus

[rugged sparrow]

if it's Layla I'm gonna brb throw my Layla out of the window cuz she never gives me double

[quaint fern]

eula

[haughty lotus]

Good job, cryosimpsicles

[rugged sparrow]

ok good

[quaint fern]

I'm pretty sure they gave layla the 10% extra drop too though

[rugged sparrow]

they do, it's just mine never fucking procs

and I'm so pissed that I just default to Xq

[quaint fern]

omg the other day I accidentally crafted some mats with dori instead of surcrose

why does the game default to the 25% ones

[rugged sparrow]

25% > 10% obviously, silly treez

surely it needs no context or nuance

[strange scarab]

be dori
craft 120 luminescent pollens
3 fungal spores returned

goat of all time

[quaint fern]

dori treats her crafting materials like her mora

.... for legal reasons that was a joke

of course we all know that dori would never give out freebies

[fallow yoke]

should i get a kagura's verity for nahida

[shadow lynx]

if you have a burning hole in your primogem wallet yes

[fallow yoke]

okay

[wet plank]

She gave me 4 doubles in 10 crafts

You're just not feeding her well enough

[torpid coyote]

is there any character generally worth leveling up to level 90? (essential)

[strange scarab]

hp/def scalers and transformative reactions units

[torpid coyote]

Ok

[rugged sparrow]

she's literally crowned

[wet plank]

Did you feed her the good artis though

[jolly junco]

song of the artifact strongbox

[rugged sparrow]

wyt

I consistently use her

[fallow yoke]

how does this works

[rugged sparrow]

wdym how

[fallow yoke]

how to do the dmg

[rugged sparrow]

both her Q and E deals a nice amount of dmg

better if Shenhe is involved

[olive isle]

🫙

[jolly junco]

her personal damage is quite good in teams with buffs like shenhe and kazuha

i use her with jade cutter in monocryo ganyu

[wet plank]

You pass the void check

[lyric cargo]

now keep strongboxing tenacity for a better crit ratio

(what do y'all strongbox now?)

[rugged sparrow]

tenacity for Faru

[keen willow]

probably will spend 300 artifacts on shimenawa again

[jolly junco]

emblem

because idk what else i want

[rugged sparrow]

my strongbox list is still so big

someone bless my luck

[lyric cargo]

I did emblem most of the time since 4.0

started doing tenacity for faru, but not sure whether to continue

for all I know, by the time I actually get an anemo dps she'll have a new set

and I don't think GT Faru for personal dmg is terrible

assuming better substats because I farmed way more GT than tenacity

[neon wave]

I've been looking for a Noblesse ATK sands for months now

[rugged sparrow]

for whom though

[neon wave]

I don't even USE Rosaria

But I've invested too much atp

[rugged sparrow]

ah yes, sunk cost fallacy

[neon wave]

I was just building her for fun

I was like I need a cryo support to use in events

[rugged sparrow]

understandable

I just pivot to Ganyu

[lyric cargo]

I could keep doing emblem since it's the set I use the most

though the number of possible improvements is getting lower

[jolly junco]

those who minmax rational to use noblesse xingqiu

[lyric cargo]

could get xl a better flower maybe

[rugged sparrow]

mm yes, nob xq and ins Benny

[jolly junco]

indeed

[rugged sparrow]

gotta juice that few percentiles out of Xiangling's rotting body

it's been 3 years, give her a break already

[neon wave]

I'm far too impatient to get a decent ins set

[rugged sparrow]

eh for Benny it's not that diff

you do random new area exploration and u get full set already

[lyric cargo]

me rolling every 3-liner ins piece finally paid off a bit yesterday

255er inst Bennett now

[rugged sparrow]

hot damn that circlet

[lyric cargo]

in theory healing bonus would be preferable to hp%

but it mostly matters for weird Furina Bennett teams where you want him to overheal

[neon wave]

I always fodder them and then think Huh I should have checked that

[lyric cargo]

I fodder the 2-liners

still looking for a high ER goblet, flower, plume

[rugged sparrow]

me accidentally auto fill artifact enhancement and it eats all my instru pieces:

autopilot is hell of a drug

[lyric cargo]

maybe if I could lock the stackable exp potions I'd auto fill more

as is, I always have to check it doesn't use those

I also prefer going only halfway to the next +4 step in case I get a 2x enhancement

[neon wave]

The accidental +20 stings

[keen willow]

My xiangling is the only one above 3k rv

[neon wave]

I hoped the autolock feature would work for 4 stars but alas

No instructor for me

[lyric cargo]

I have ~3200rv on multiple chars, but nobody really exceeds that

[rugged sparrow]

crazy how Hidden has only been playing for a year and his artifact quality far surpasses mine

[keen willow]

My hutao is only 2.7k💀

This is why i dont go to akasha

[lyric cargo]

are they really that much better? https://enka.network/u/hidden50/

[rugged sparrow]

for the record I have only 1 char that surpasses 3000 RV

and that's carried heavily by the fact that she can utilize like 6 different subs (Yae)

[neon wave]

You definitely have much better pieces than I do

I have a couple over 3k i think

But everything else is much lower

[rugged sparrow]

as a matter of fact, yes

[lyric cargo]

I figured things would eventually average out, for people who play long enough

guess the variance is too high

[keen willow]

They're certainly more lvl90 than mine

[neon wave]

[lyric cargo]

are you collecting exp from teapot every week?

[keen willow]

Alllll my time was given to artifacts anf they're still mid at best

[lyric cargo]

I just realized it's abyss reset today

[rugged sparrow]

ig I just spread my resources thin, considering I (try to) build all my 90/90 chars

[keen willow]

Maybe

[neon wave]

I can't, I need my teapot to look cute

[keen willow]

I have like 1200 purple wits and 4000 red ones

[lyric cargo]

my 3200s are mostly emblem, iirc

[neon wave]

Let me see

Xiangling and Yae for me

Yae is 2p2p though

[lyric cargo]

Neuv is 2640rv and somehow still top 1%
I guess it goes slowly for everyone

I guess cr is too easy to cap, on the cr weapon leaderboard

500rv flower because one with cr would overcap

Furina is 2900

[neon wave]

Sands is pretty nice

[keen willow]

My hutao would be better if they counted flat hp too

[neon wave]

If I could off piece two pieces my Neuv would be much better

3 even

MH hasn't been very generous

[lyric cargo]

yeah, they should convert flat hp to the equivalent amount of hp%

[keen willow]

8 flat hp rolls

[neon wave]

Feather

[keen willow]

I have a similar feather on shimenawa.. but unironically that is my best goblet

[neon wave]

You can set it to count it btw

[keen willow]

💀 where

[neon wave]

That circlet will get much better

[neon wave]

Just click on the stats under the build

[keen willow]

Huh suddenly it looks better

[neon wave]

Jesus that's a lot of flat HP

Congrats on your 3k build

[keen willow]

Finally a hutao main

[lyric cargo]

if only it didn't count them as full rolls

[neon wave]

Should I aim to get at least a stack of Beidou's skill while playing her? Realistically I'm not hitting a perfect parry most of the time

[jolly junco]

you shouldn't extend your rotations to do so

if playing a team like sucrose, fischl, beidou, xingqiu/yaoyao - you have more flexible rotations so you can aim to counter more often

[neon wave]

Oke thank you

[neon wave]

I've never played that but doesn't sucrose need to be on-field most of the time?

[jolly junco]

Yes

but you can swap into beidou to counter without it being a problem, then just swap back onto sucrose again

it is unlike a team of cyno, beidou, nahida, xingqiu where you do not have flexible rotations and you cannot freely swap around characters without ruining your DPS due to cyno's burst ending if you swap characters

[neon wave]

Understandable

I might need to build sucrose at some point that team sounds pretty fun

[lyric cargo]

the time some enemies spend between attacking

[jolly junco]

it's one of the better 4* only teams

[jolly junco]

indeed

if doing an ERC for beidou in a team without flexible rotations i never assume counters or stacks

[neon wave]

I just want an excuse to play Beidou really

Even if the cost is building sucrose lol

[lyric cargo]

first half of this abyss is probably the best she'll get in a while

all enemies spawning in groups of 2

[jolly junco]

yeah its actually perfect for her

[lyric cargo]

I played her with Neuvilette a bit, but it's awkward fitting in Fischl with his stacks

[keen willow]

Yea beidou so good i did 3 teams with her

[lyric cargo]

I did Neuv Kaz Beidou Fischl, but gotta use Kaz early to swirl hydro at all

which means I lose uptime on VV

[neon wave]

Would Heizou be a lot worse than Sucrose?

[rugged sparrow]

on the Fischl/Beidou core?

idk how "worse" it is, but consider that

• Sucrose is ranged
• has 2 charges on her skill with c1
• ulti also hits multiple times with no ICD
• buffs more EM

she overall triggers more reaction (whether it's EC or aggravate, depending on the 4th slot)

[sick quarry]

Is this the limit? I can't find Hydroculus anymore.

[rugged sparrow]

yep

[keen willow]

Dam xiao is small

Dont me

[lament flicker]

[keen willow]

🤫🧏

[wanton tendon]

can't lose the mewing streak no matter how

[strange scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/hatsune-miku-miku-hatsune-dropkick-my-devil-shopping-dropkick-gif-26190160

[umbral sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/hatsune-miku-hatsunemiku-vocaloid-leekspin-gif-27084853

[olive isle]

yay, good luck on getting the hunter's path to those who are planning to

[neon wave]

[rugged sparrow]

bro im screaming

im gonna get that shit

[neon wave]

1 fate point is pretty nice

[opal surge]

bacon is on banner

[rugged sparrow]

huge upgrade than current weap banner already

[opal surge]

New banner looks so sick wtf

[rugged sparrow]

for those who missed it ig

[opal surge]

If arlecchino is not drip marketed I might grab eula actually

[olive isle]

too bad it's an "event" wish

[rugged sparrow]

eh, don't see how it's bad

[neon wave]

I assume pity is separate

But it's def good for weapons

[rugged sparrow]

^ even for chars it's the same

but a more limited pool so you might not get Qiqi

[opal surge]

I guess that if you lose 50/50 on the banner you get a standard character right, is it too cope to want to be able to lose 50/50 to the other characters on the banner

[neon wave]

Yeah but you don't keep pity for new characters

Though I presume you'll keep pity for other banners of that type

[opal surge]

that can be a good thing or a bad thing though

[neon wave]

Mhm depends who is on it

[keen willow]

Is it also 90 pity

[opal surge]

say youre somewhat high pity you can get a "new" 5* on this banner while youre skipping real banners if you dont want the actual new characters

[neon wave]

I don't think it was mentioned

[rugged sparrow]

don't think it's revealed?

they said "more details on official announcement"

[opal surge]

Theres supposed to be a seperate post soonge that gives details on it

[rugged sparrow]

whenever that thing is

[opal surge]

Seperate post when the patch hits

[keen willow]

Yea... but its probably 90 they wouldn't give characters sooner

[opal surge]

You can read up on it ingame then, does that count as official announcement

[olive isle]

i remember someone here wants to listen to that whale boss theme, surely the album has it

[neon wave]

I'd definitely like Eula/Klee/Mona eventually but not enough to pull on this one for the moment

[lyric cargo]

Eula, Albedo, Klee on standard banner confirmed?

[rugged sparrow]

not standard

[neon wave]

Kinda makes standard a bit redundant doesn't it

Though I guess it already was

[rugged sparrow]

https://genshin.hoyoverse.com/en/news/detail/122695

more info about the banner

[rugged sparrow]

new banner uses intertwined (limited) so.. standard still relevant

[neon wave]

Tldr standard 90 pity, pity carries over to the next "chronicled wish", fate points don't carry over

[opal surge]

You actually lose 50/50 to other characters on the banner

thats so fking sick btw

[neon wave]

Yeah
If you chart a character you lose to character, if you chart a weapon you lose to a weapon

[olive isle]

and it uses not acquaint fates and high-valued characters will also coexist during its period

[hot python]

How many days before the new patch does genshin drop their drip marketing

[keen willow]

If i choose a bow will i get a bow or any weapon

[rugged sparrow]

this banner is honestly godsent, very good on the long run

[opal surge]

yeah especially for someone like me who started in 3.7 so I have a bunch of old characters I still want

[neon wave]

Any weapon from the banner from what they've said
Assuming you lose 50/50

[opal surge]

its so cool

[keen willow]

More skyward prides😔

[opal surge]

Its a bit sus that fate points dont carry over tho ngl

[olive isle]

if you select a bow as your designated fate, you will get weapons instead

same goes for the characters

[neon wave]

Send me one 😔 my Raiden is polearm-less

[rugged sparrow]

weapon banner shenanigans, but at least it only takes 1 fate point

[olive isle]

it may make up for its duration (unlikely)

[opal surge]

Im curious to see how often this banner changes, probably once a full patch ig

[neon wave]

Tbf it's just one

[opal surge]

Or maybe bipatchly

[keen willow]

Its the claymore 😔

[neon wave]

Oh I'm dumb

[keen willow]

Well tbh song of broken pines might just be worse

[lyric cargo]

so it's 6 chars total. the one you picked is 50%, so the others are probably each 10%

if they made one for Fontaine and it had i.e. Furina and Neuvilette, that would be a good banner

[keen willow]

We're a long way from that point

[lyric cargo]

though the current char quality seems lower, if you actually want at least two chars from the banner it's good

[opal surge]

being able to lose 50/50 to other characters on the banner instead of standard i just a garantueed upside

theres just no downside to this imo

unless youre prayging to lose to tighnari every time

[keen willow]

I mean yea like for me the next patch would be a skip if not for nueviletter

[lyric cargo]

just need enough wishes to guarantee, since fate points likely go away

[opal surge]

They do go away yeah, its specified already

[neon wave]

I doubt they'd put archons on it

[lyric cargo]

Hunter's path will be the big seller, especially if this rotates and it won't be there forever

[olive isle]

should i make an infographic on "should i pull X"

[rugged sparrow]

"should I pull X" > "yes pull whoever you like"

done, no need for infographic

[olive isle]

but the infographic in question is just a word art/caligraphy of "pull whoever you like"

[jolly junco]

i too am tempted to get hunter's path

[rugged sparrow]

ONE OF US ONE OF US

[neon wave]

Do it

It's honestly worth it imo

[opal surge]

being able to get limited weapons with one fate point only is pretty pog too

[keen willow]

Do you have hutao?> no > pull hutao
V
Yes
V
Get c6

[opal surge]

theres a few weapons that I'd grab if they show up with this system tbh

[rugged sparrow]

I'm just hoping if I lose the weapon, I get either WGS, LP, or Bacon

[olive isle]

as a HP user, i'd use it on characters that capitalize on non-atk scalers and EM-involved teams

[jolly junco]

doesn't have enough drip

[rugged sparrow]

TRUE

[opal surge]

[rugged sparrow]

FUCK STINKY HPATH I HOPE I DONT GET ANOTHER ONE

am literally r2 already

WAIT NOT HPATH I MEAN HARP

[opal surge]

do you mean harp lmao

[rugged sparrow]

[olive isle]

no, you can't undo it. you will get r3 harp

[neon wave]

Don't jinx yourself now

[rugged sparrow]

Im having an emotional outburst I shouldn't be here

[opal surge]

[jolly junco]

he's just too excited

[rugged sparrow]

a little too excited

this new banner got me pumped

[jolly junco]

i mainly just want hunter's path

[rugged sparrow]

same, but the future potential is very good

[lyric cargo]

Only event-exclusive 5-star characters that have already appeared in the "Character Event Wish" or "Character Event Wish-2" at least 3 times and have also not appeared in any recent Event Wishes will appear in "Chronicled Wish."

[jolly junco]

that and key are the two weapons I don't have that I actually care about having

[neon wave]

I'm excited for future editions yeah

[rugged sparrow]

also with the existence of Diluc/Mona/Jean, it'll eventually be Tighnari's turn

[olive isle]

too bad i won't pull for that banner, even though i want a dedicated mono geo team

[rugged sparrow]

meaning "guaranteed" Tighnari const yupge

[opal surge]

I cant wait for dehyas turn

[neon wave]

It's also just shorter rerun times for chars you want

[jolly junco]

that's true

[neon wave]

Which is nice

[jolly junco]

c6 tighnari yepge

[lyric cargo]

we'll have to see how often this appears, and what quality of characters they're willing to put on it

definitely going to reassess my wishing decisions

[rugged sparrow]

imagine Qiqi

[neon wave]

I don't want to

[lyric cargo]

maybe it's going to be "better value but you have to wait out 3 reruns"

[olive isle]

dehya, qiqi, eula, yomia, then your favorite 2 characters

[lyric cargo]

given Mona, Diluc, Jean I'm guessing it's going to be 3 Standard chars and 3 limited chars

[neon wave]

If they wanna keep it regional that'll be tricky

But I guess they don't have to

[rugged sparrow]

Fontaine dying with no standard

also Inazuma

[olive isle]

or categorize lynette as "5-star" then she becomes the standard

[lyric cargo]

weapons, maybe standard weapons + h. path + beacon + signatures for the three limited 5★ chars on the banner

[olive isle]

now where's that yade cutter

[neon wave]

[rugged sparrow]

Summit Shaper, Unforged, Vortex

[olive isle]

and it's gonna be MoD, unforged, shaper

[olive isle]

vortex will run w/ zhongli

[rugged sparrow]

oh right

but what if ZL gets thrown to the Chronicled Banner

wait wait wait, what if in 10 years

all archons on the chronicled banner

[olive isle]

or the message in front of the door: Cannot connect to servers then shows a link to servers shut down

[rugged sparrow]

ok am too hyper now I should isolate myself first to calm down

[opal surge]

[vapid egret]

I'm feeling silly, pick my floor 12 team pls

[keen willow]

Nilou hutao dmc yelan

[vapid egret]

dmc?

[umbral sedge]

[keen willow]

Dendro mc

[vapid egret]

oh that sounds like a kamikaze team

[keen willow]

Its normal burgeon

[vapid egret]

you sure my hutao will survive long enough?

[keen willow]

On first side, no

[opal surge]

burst on CD to heal

[vapid egret]

what would a serious team be tho

[keen willow]

You didn't ask for a serious team

[vapid egret]

for both sides

[vapid egret]

well I am now I guess

[keen willow]

[jolly junco]

xiao, raiden national, or nilou bloom first half
hu tao/yoimiya vape second half, or navia

[vapid egret]

what shld the xiao team be?

[jolly junco]

faruzan, bennett, sucrose

[vapid egret]

and the hutao team?

[keen willow]

Hutao yelan xq flex

[jolly junco]

xingqiu, yelan, kazuha/sucrose

[vapid egret]

need to dodge well don't I

[jolly junco]

there's not much damage 2nd half

[keen willow]

Its practically impossible to die in second half

[vapid egret]

unless you just stand there right

[keen willow]

I doubt you'll die even then

[jolly junco]

i mean, if you intend to afk you won't be able to damage the abyss boss' either

[opal surge]

Does wenut have an actual attack other than the beam thing

if you knock it

[keen willow]

The first one

[jolly junco]

the spines it can shoot in the first attack

[keen willow]

Where it shoots homing missiles

[jolly junco]

also the thing when it comes out of the ground deals damage, but its easy to dodge

at the start with the circle

[keen willow]

But you'll never tank it with hutao anyways

[opal surge]

wait what spines

Is it RNG if it does it or

[keen willow]

There's only 2 attacks it does at the beginning

[opal surge]

oh I just saw it

Wait the spines miss you by default if youre in melee

[keen willow]

Yea

But its at a distance so you can get hit getting there

[opal surge]

thats fair

[indigo sleet]

The new banner basically is like the same as just a 50/50 right? Given it's only 1 fate point

[opal surge]

well you can lose to other limited characters/weapons, but fate points also dont carry over to next banner

[indigo sleet]

I see

[opal surge]

So if you only pull for 1 5* per chronicle banner you can technically lose every time

[lyric cargo]

I think its:
50 : 10 : 10 : 10 : 10 : 10
50 being the char you chose

[jolly junco]

https://genshin.hoyoverse.com/en/news/detail/122695 you can find all the details here

[indigo sleet]

Well I'm contenplating choosing either Klee or Mona haha

[lyric cargo]

three of the chars seem to be standard banner, and overall they seem to have put the weaker ones on the banner

[neon wave]

Eh Mona is also still on Standard

[keen willow]

Oh wait yea can i use mona for raiden hyper?

[lyric cargo]

I'm wondering now what the weakest 3 chars you can choose from each region are

[neon wave]

I'd probably go Klee between the two

[indigo sleet]

Yes, but I don't wanna wait to get her cons

[opal surge]

is it confirmed to be region based

[neon wave]

No

[indigo sleet]

I mean I want both, Klee and Mona's C2

[lyric cargo]

hmm

[neon wave]

Yeah, I mean I'd go Klee first
Maybe you'll lose a 50/50 to Mona in the meantime who knows

[indigo sleet]

Lol I hope so

[opal surge]

If it is regions Liyue is probably Xiao Shenhe Ganyu? that would be pretty good already

[indigo sleet]

But I also want Chiori ugh

[neon wave]

Nothing much, some events, Chiori story, Lynette hangout
New banner type is the big one

[indigo sleet]

Might have to whale this patch

[lyric cargo]

that'd be a good reason to wait on pulling Xiao

[neon wave]

https://genshin.hoyoverse.com/m/en/news/detail/122695

[opal surge]

it does say it cant include characters that ran recently on event banner though

So xiao wont be on chronicle for a while at least

[neon wave]

#📌gimshim-help message

[lyric cargo]

yeah
I kinda expect Sumeru would have Tighnari and Dehya as standard chars

[indigo sleet]

Wait Guaranteed is only 80 wishes for the new banner??

[opal surge]

I would swipe to get a dehya copy

[rugged sparrow]

90

[lyric cargo]

would also be a question of how often they do these

[opal surge]

No, its likely they were talking about character when they said 90 and about weapon when they said 80

they've said both 90 and 80 in the post

[neon wave]

It's 90 across the board I think

[indigo sleet]

I see

[opal surge]

Oh yeah its 90 across the board

They used 80 in an example where you already did a 10 pull

[indigo sleet]

So I need 1 copy of Chiori, 1 copy of Mona, and 2 copies of Klee this patch

Which means 💸

[opal surge]

Yup

[indigo sleet]

Yes

[vapid egret]

welp

[indigo sleet]

I assume the standard banner characters for the new banner rotates? So Mona should get a rerun in a few patches?

[opal surge]

[vapid egret]

that's- not how it works

they're always on the standard banner

and the normal banner

[rugged sparrow]

I think you're missing the context

did you not watch livestream

[vapid egret]

oh wait I'm dumb yes

I guess simultaneous low sugar, dehydration and heatstroke will do that

[opal surge]

heatstroke

[vapid egret]

mild I think

[lyric cargo]

new banner has 3 limited chars and 3 standard chars, but it's not equal chances

you pick one and that one's 50%, the others should be 10% each

if it's got a char you want that's pretty good. the current 6 are all skips for me though

weapon banner has more that could be desirable (h. path, beacon)

[vapid egret]

hold up 3?

[opal surge]

id like Eula, I'll wait for 4.6 drip marketing before deciding though

I've always wanted Eula ever since I started but I skipped her in 3.8 for meta reasons

[lyric cargo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/915180263003267094/1213098303697461248/image.png?ex=65f43cd5&is=65e1c7d5&hm=c05fe92180c256d4604024182685902ecc70d4494d200d2b9f1143ea0fa5dabb&

[vapid egret]

does this one give separate pity?

[opal surge]

Yes

https://genshin.hoyoverse.com/m/en/news/detail/122695

[vapid egret]

is this actually useful/

[lyric cargo]

main thing is you get a fate point instead of a guarantee

which is fine if you have enough wishes to go for a second round

[vapid egret]

oho i see

[indigo sleet]

I want C2 Mona cuz it makes main DPS Mona more comfy to play

[lyric cargo]

but it you can't get the char by the end of the banner, it's wasted (you keep your pity but not your guarantee)

[vapid egret]

oof

[indigo sleet]

And C2 Klee cuz her C2 provides def shred with her bombs

[lyric cargo]

Xianyun Bennett Xiangling + Mona plunges?

[vapid egret]

if i wanted to run main dps nilou what should I do?

[lyric cargo]

ER req would be high

[indigo sleet]

I mean C2 Mona I could just use her NA and it occasionally gives an automatic CA

[lyric cargo]

hyperinvest, I guess. Her better team at c0 at least would be bloom I think

[indigo sleet]

And I tried plunge with Xianyun, it's way too clunky to play

[lyric cargo]

my main problem with Xianyun teams is grouping

[indigo sleet]

That too

I was hoping she'd provide more cc but no

[lyric cargo]

the most comfortable for me so far was
Ga Ming, Furina, Venti, Xianyun

[opal surge]

The most comfortable team is navia furina ZL xianyun (real)

[lyric cargo]

if I had c6 Bennett, I'd try to have him plunging as well

[indigo sleet]

I tried Klee plunge-vapes with Furina, it's fine but not better than with Kazuha

[lyric cargo]

Xianyun makes me crown a bunch of chars' NA talents that I normally wouldn't touch

[indigo sleet]

Sometimes I just really wish there was a second Bennett

[opal surge]

I should crown navia NA's, but I kind of dont want to farm talents again

[lyric cargo]

I'm often not using him

[indigo sleet]

Really?

[lyric cargo]

maybe during overflowing mastery

[opal surge]

Im rarely using bennet either atp

[lyric cargo]

I honestly don't farm talents at all, outside that event

[opal surge]

bennet circle is cringe and hes also kind of cringe at healing furina

[indigo sleet]

I have him at C6, so besides Ayaka, he can be run with anyone

[lyric cargo]

my first team currently is always Neuvilette, who doesn't go with Bennett at all

[opal surge]

dno if c6 has any relevance on his circle being cringe though

I did actually use bennet in this abyss, but its mainly because I dont want to use my lvl 20 amber instead

[indigo sleet]

I mean if you're up against enemies that don't move much, then he's good

[lyric cargo]

second team depends, but current enemies don't leave time for that much setup and my Bennett teams aren't my strongest second side

you can start your setup before the enemy emerges, of course (if you can remember where and when it comes out)

[indigo sleet]

I do however prefer to run my Yae Miko team with Xiangling than Bennett cuz of constant Pyro app

Also

Should I level 90 my Xiangling?

If nothing else, purely so it's more pleasing to look at

[dense schooner]

How is this fair for tighnari and dehya wanters?

[opal surge]

bro

Dehya and tighnari are standard characters

event-exclusive 5-star means non standard

[dense schooner]

Well so are diluc jean and mona but theyre featured in the promo pic for the new banner
Thats why im confused

[opal surge]

there are 3 standard and 3 limited per chronicle

[indigo sleet]

Then just don't want them and problem solved 😜

[dense schooner]

[opal surge]

Just wait for dehya and tighnari to be part of the 3 standard characters

[dusty cape]

oh yeah the livestream happeneed, I should go watch a recap

[dense schooner]

Got it thank you so i can still hope for a cycle to have dehya so i can set path for her

[opal surge]

https://genshin.hoyoverse.com/m/en/news/detail/122695 this is the recap

Lowkey nothing else happened

[dusty cape]

ok cool

[indigo sleet]

Bruh why would you set a path for Dehya

[opal surge]

I would too

[neon wave]

It's also just 20 minutes long, a recap won't be much shorter

[dense schooner]

Because shes the only standard character im missing

[main valley]

What characters can i use in the abyss rn? last abyss i only got 32 idk what to use on f12

[indigo sleet]

Fair enough

[dense schooner]

Also neuvillette x furina x kazuha x dehya looks like a fun team

So i can save zhongli for yae x tighnari x nahida team

[dusty cape]

ayo I can get hunter’s path

[indigo sleet]

C1 Hutao I assume is pretty invested

[indigo sleet]

Go with Ayaka Diona Mona Kazuha 1st half, Hutao Xingqiu Yelan Zhongli 2nd half

[main valley]

very big investments

[main valley]

dont got kazu yet : >

[opal surge]

[indigo sleet]

Wait what

[neon wave]

1 fate point only -> profit

[indigo sleet]

Oh didn't see that

[main valley]

I lost like nearly all his banners

[indigo sleet]

Then go with Venti as a sub, he works too

[main valley]

won on a alt but bad luck on main

[opal surge]

And you can lose hunters path to bacon

[main valley]

ight thanks

[opal surge]

(or song of broken pines )

[indigo sleet]

Should I invest into a lost prayers for either Klee or Mona?

[dusty cape]

ferminet investment time after that

[olive isle]

It's not like you'd use them in the same team, right?

[indigo sleet]

In the overworld only

Otherwise no

[olive isle]

you'll be fiiiinneeeee

[indigo sleet]

I do use them quite a lot tho

In the abyss too

[olive isle]

because you're gonna on field klee mostly

what's that, hypercarry or vape?

[indigo sleet]

True

[indigo sleet]

Mona Vape and Klee Vape

[olive isle]

what's your future team on klee tho

[indigo sleet]

But I could actually use them in the same abyss, different floors if I run Mona vape 1st half, and Klee overload 2nd half with Miko Sara and Chevreuse

[olive isle]

i never heard about kleeverload

[indigo sleet]

It's just something I wanna experiment with

Mostly just looking for fun team ideas atm, not really struggling with the abyss

[keen willow]

Can i use mona for raiden hyper

No i meant like is she better than yelan

[latent flicker]

help.

this is what the interactive map shows

but....it doesnt appar in my game

[keen willow]

Too much work

[lyric cargo]

I've never heard of using mona for anything besides freeze and screenshot damage

her buff uptime is just too short, I think?

[keen willow]

I mean its 5 seconds

Got 200k with yelan kazuha benne

[lyric cargo]

oh, you actually want screenshot damage?

or full rotation damage

[opal surge]

I mean while mona probably increases raidens personal damage more than yelan does yelans personal damage more than makes up for it. Also I'm not sure why Mona is replacing yelan, for raiden hyper surely it should be Kazuha/Sara/Bennet to begin with?

[lyric cargo]

or possibly c6 chev, not sure how that compares (aside from the lack of kazuha's grouping and personal damage in AoE)

[sly musk]

Accident!!! FUUUUK!!! Noooooooooo

I WANT Yae asdhasdkasmd

;asidfhja;skdfjas'f

[shadow summit]

what currency are we using for the chronicle wish

[olive isle]

The limited wishes

[lyric cargo]

intertwined (not standard wishes)

https://genshin.hoyoverse.com/en/news/detail/122695

[shadow summit]

thats so rigged

[olive isle]

did you have your eyes checked? if not, i will link you to a worldwide therapy service

or the
Obtained

   ![Primogem](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/765129529802752040.webp?size=128 "Primogem") 
**10800**

Primogems

[small kraken]

is tighnaris bow better than prototype crescent R5 for melt ganyu

[olive isle]

YES

[small kraken]

i also have a question regarding the passive of the bow, is the extra charged atk damage a buff or a seperate instance of damage delivered with the charged atk

for example if my ganyu has 200EM i doubt she is getting 320% bonus charged atk damage

[olive isle]

it's a buff

[sly musk]

I was too excited to pull after gotten the code promos that my reflex click the 10xpull before i realise which banner was it

[olive isle]

but think of it like like yunjin's flat dmg bonus

[olive isle]

[small kraken]

oh so its not 320% charged atk damage bonus but 320 extra damage on ur charged atk

ok noted

it doesnt sound that good but im probably missing something

[warped oracle]

more designed for Tighnari, who uses it a lot better

Melt Ganyu uses it quite well

[lyric cargo]

the way the banner works sounds alright, if you have enough wishes to guarantee a char.
if you can't, it's not great. Since unlike a guarantee, the fate point goes away

Eula Klee Albedo aren't chars I'm interested in, so I'll skip

[shadow summit]

the pity is still 75 right

[lyric cargo]

they only named hard pity is 90

[small blade]

It gets further affected by crit and other buffs

[small kraken]

oh then maybe its good

[shadow summit]

wtf

[lyric cargo]

pity isn't 75 on any banner we know btw.

standard banner soft pity starts at 74
weapon banner soft pity starts at 63

but 90 hard pity means soft pity is probably 74

[shadow summit]

they should make it lower for chronicle

[small kraken]

i think its fine

90 pulls for a guranteed eula or song of broken pines sounds good

[lyric cargo]

the main thing to note is that you choose a char and that char gets a boosted rate

it'll be a 50% chance to get the chosen char, like our current limited banners

[shadow summit]

didnt they say something abt losing too i could just be being dumb

[lyric cargo]

except if you lose you get another char from the banner instead of a standard banner char

[small kraken]

no im p sure its guaranteed

[lyric cargo]

in practice you'll never reach 90, it's extremely unlikely

[small kraken]

wait so theres still a 5050??

[shadow summit]

personally id feel like i just lost a 5050 if there are 3 standard characters in it

maybe il just wait for an inazuma one

[neon wave]

It's a 50/50 yes

[small kraken]

right like... can they add venti and yoimiya in there or something

[shadow summit]

on god

[neon wave]

I doubt they'll do all limited

But we'll see

[shadow summit]

they better do dawg

[small kraken]

literally would feel better to just pull on an original banner atp, permanent pity and u have a guranteed for a new character if u lose it

this new banner sounds meaningless if its not guaranteed

[shadow summit]

real

[neon wave]

Why would they? It would be too good compared to the other banners

[small kraken]

i was excited for it but not anymore

[small kraken]

ok?

their problem it was their idea to make this banner

atleast make it good and not 10x worse than the original banners

[neon wave]

What

Oh we're just doom posting I see

[small blade]

Its a pretty good banner if you save for guaranteed

[lyric cargo]

basically there are 6 chars on the banner (3 limited, 3 standard)
and it's a 50 : 10 : 10 : 10 : 10 : 10 between them

[neon wave]

It's comparable to the other banners, as it should be

[shadow summit]

i wish it had its own currency i wouldnt be ranting abt it having Standard characters

[small kraken]

so its still a 50/50 inbetween getting what u want and what u dont want

[small kraken]

criticizing isnt doomposting

[shadow summit]

like buying currency for it using master starglitter from shop or something

[lyric cargo]

yeah, it's just a higher chance the losing 50% will have something you might want

[neon wave]

You said oh it should be better than everything else or it isn't worth it
What logic is that

[lyric cargo]

I wouldn't go for this banner since it has Eula Klee Albedo

but in theory if you want all three chars it'd be 70% to get something you want

(assuming you never want a standard char)

[neon wave]

Mhm it's gonna be very much pool dependent

[opal surge]

but normal banners also have standard characters if you lose...?

[lyric cargo]

yeah

regular limited banner = 50% char you want, 50% standard banner

this = 50% char you want, 20% other limited 5-stars, 30% standard banner

[opal surge]

On normal banners if you lose a 50/50 you are garantueed a random standard banner character, on this banner if you lose a 50/50 you have a 40% chance to receive a different limited character and a 60% chance to get a standard character

[small kraken]

cuz the featured characters are worse than the ones in a normal banner so it should have advantageous features to actually make it worth pulling

[shadow summit]

would the inazuma one be the best chronicle banner cus theres 0 standard characters from inazuma

[small kraken]

u surely dont think that banner is as good as a nahida banner

[opal surge]

You dont lose regular banners for it?...

[lyric cargo]

we don't know this for sure, but I assume there'll be 3 standard chars every time

[opal surge]

Nobody knows if chronicles are regionbased, and if they were they would probably add std characters anyway

[neon wave]

Normal banner also has standards
Also you don't have to pull on it if you don't want the character obviously

[opal surge]

I get it, this chronicle has eula albedo klee in it, most people dont care much

But what if the next chronicle had more meta characters?

And its not like it replaces normal banners...?

[neon wave]

That solely depends on which characters you want though?

It's not like you pull on banners you don't want

[shadow summit]

please no hyv

[opal surge]

but you would have lost to a standard character anyway if you had lost 50/50 on the regular banner

I dont see why this makes it worse than the regular banner

[lyric cargo]

this kind of banner existing is a win for players, I think.
It's just additional options, just need them to actually put at least one good char on it

[neon wave]

It's just shorter reruns and potentially better pool

[lyric cargo]

yea

[neon wave]

Only downside is separate pity but it'll add up eventually anyway

[opal surge]

fate point is sus, super fair complaints there, but from the looks of it chronicles will likely at least last an entire patch (since there weren 2 announced for 4.5), so you have more time as well. Aside from that critizing standard characters/weapons being in the pool is just silly

[small blade]

I personally am more interested on the weapons

[neon wave]

Yeah fate point is

But if it wasn't then almost no one would pull on weapon banner

[lyric cargo]

yeah, I feel it's mostly bad for people who haven't saved up enough

[opal surge]

Yeah i mean weapon banners are a lot more sus still, but weapon banners can also have the case where you do actually want both weapons on the banner, in which case the regular weapon banner can be better still

[neon wave]

Well if you want a new weapon ig, but it would be a little too convenient compared to it

[opal surge]

But the new chronicles getting limited weapons is a win in my book

[neon wave]

True yeah

[opal surge]

On average if you wanted both weapons on a weapon banner or if you want 2 weapons from chronicle is on average 3 5*s anyway, so it equals out, sort of. Still, a good weapon banner would be better, but a worse weapon banner is much much worse

[lyric cargo]

3 "wins / Signatures" (I guess these will rotate)

• Beacon
• Song of Broken Spines
• Hunter's Path (probably in here since Klee's signature is a standard weapon)

8 "losses"

• Aquila Favonia
• WGS
• Skyward Spine
• Lost Prayer
• Skyward Blade
• Skyward Pride
• Skyward Atlas
• Skyward Harp

I'm guessing if you chart for a weapon, it's 50% for the one you charted and 5% for all the others

since there are 11 weapons in total

if all three signatures are good for you, that's a 60% chance to get one of them without guarantee

[neon wave]

It's math time

[lyric cargo]

even less likely to occur than the 75 : 25 situation we get if both weapons on a limited banner are good
but if you want to guarantee a weapon, it takes 2 attempts rather than 3

[neon wave]

I would assume the average will be close across 2 fate points on Weapon's and 1 fate point on Chronicled
Chronicled will be better only if you're aiming for just one weapon on weapon's banner
But I'm sure someone will do the math for me when we know exact numbers

[lyric cargo]

yeah

oh, and the banner doesn't have 4-stars it seems?

or is that just not announced yet

[neon wave]

Maybe they haven't been announced idk

Could just be like Standard with no up-rated ones

[lyric cargo]

yeah

[shadow lynx]

CHIORI OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCED OMG OG OMG

[random hawk]

It will be similar to standard banner

[random hawk]

Only 1 fate point for the weapon too

[neon wave]

Yeah, I meant two on regular weapon banner

[strange scarab]

so, fayz trials is back

[lyric cargo]

that's what I assumed. not great for new players who are still trying to get c6 on some important 4-stars

[strange scarab]

my beloved event

still no sign of the goated "while its warm" return

[mortal sparrow]

do i get itto, chiori, miko, neuvi or kazu? (i can get 2)

[strange scarab]

guoballs better

go with the one that you like

its not our decision to make, its your account

[lyric cargo]

if you just want the most meta chars, I'd get Neuv and Kaz

[deep glen]

i know i need kazuha but do i also need neuvilette or nah

[lyric cargo]

you don't really need any particular on-fielder

though hyperbloom gives you a single target team and Neuv would be a good AoE team

[viral creek]

neuvi or kazuha? can't decide

oh dayum I ain't the only one asking

[deep glen]

yeah every one is asking the same question

[viral creek]

i mean fair

[strange scarab]

guys, its so easy

[viral creek]

it's 2 pretty good characters

[viral creek]

the mentality falls off when you wanna actually do abyss

[strange scarab]

and? both are good in abyss

[deep glen]

i lost 50 50 on 2 of kazuha banner so i hope i dont lose it for the third time

[viral creek]

yeah but which is better lol

[strange scarab]

you cannot compare the two when they do different things

you're comparing apple to orange

[viral creek]

what would I prefer - one of the best supports - or neuvilette

I like both, so I need help deciding anyways

[deep glen]

what on fields u have

[viral creek]

Good question

[umbral sedge]

[strange scarab]

do you want a pretty versatile anemo unit who is also a buffer or a hydro dps with innate healing and good aoe?

[viral creek]

who exactly benefits from kazuha the most?

[strange scarab]

a lot

[deep glen]

basically almost every team benefits from having kazuha

[viral creek]

tbf I got like 2 hydro units, all of them are 5*s for the most part

[deep glen]

for me i have only ayaka as a dps but i have 2 teams with raiden so i guess i will do kazuha first and then neuv

but if they announced furina i wll be fucked

[strange scarab]

sounds like kazuha is going to be a better investment then. do keep in mind those hydro 5* still have pretty different playstyle than him, regardless of the character

[viral creek]

yeah

i'll probably get kazuha and pray furina isn't in 4.6

since she's the one character i'm willing to 100% a region to get the primos for

[jolly junco]

they should announce who the 5* rateups are in 4.6 before kazuha's banner ends anyway

so you can just wait

[viral creek]

i mean ig

[deep glen]

how many primos in fontaine?

[viral creek]

but i'll pull kazuha regardless, he's pretty worth

[viral creek]

probably a lot

[deep glen]

well i have just went into it

[strange scarab]

imagine trusting rerun patterns couldnt be me

[viral creek]

oh yeah fuck

[deep glen]

so i guess i could save for kazuha and neuv or furina

[random hawk]

By opening all chests you can get 4432 primogems

[bright holly]

What does this passive mean?

Oh wait I’m dumb nvm

[strange scarab]

if user is not deployed for more than 5 seconds, hp and EM increased for the wielder. when deployed, buff lasts for 10s

[bright holly]

I can’t egblish

[earnest canyon]

none of us can

[random hawk]

[round lodge]

can anyone tell me what should be the avg damage of an f2p xiao

[umbral sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/mobius-spinning-honkai-impact3-mobius-spin-gif-23726572

[round lodge]

and what could be the max damage with all buffs

[strange scarab]

not possible bc damage also depends on enemy resistance and buffs/debuffs

instead send enka card here so ppl can judge your build

plus f2p doesnt really tell much, there are f2ps who have him and his sig, or c6r5 even, and there are those who doesnt even have blackcliff for him

[round lodge]

oh im on mobile

[strange scarab]

device is not the issue

[round lodge]

i have c0 xiao r1 pj

[void wraith]

Should I fix my Yae and Klee?

If so, what should I do?

[strange scarab]

use https://enka.network

[round lodge]

wait ima use pc

[strange scarab]

bro you dont need pc for that

just use the website

[round lodge]

here got it

[round lodge]

the flower and feather are mid ngl

[strange scarab]

for klee try to aim for 1:2 crit ratio

[void wraith]

For who?

[void wraith]

I’ll try

[strange scarab]

pretty much all piece should be replaced

[round lodge]

klee

[round lodge]

[strange scarab]

and use 4pc sets

strongbox vermillion

[round lodge]

vermillion?

[strange scarab]

ye

[void wraith]

How… they both have 20%+ CRIT dmg

[round lodge]

which means 20 cv

which is mid

[strange scarab]

2 dead stats and 25% cv aint that great

[void wraith]

Why?

[strange scarab]

not you

[void wraith]

Oh alr

[strange scarab]

vermillion is for xiao not for your klee nor yae

[round lodge]

btw i use lv 50 faruzan then kazuha(doesnt buff xiao) and lv 80 bennet

[void wraith]

I have Xiao but didn’t built him

[strange scarab]

you do you

[void wraith]

That’s a big problem tho

[neon harness]

ok

[void wraith]

I have MANY unbuilt 5*

Including Raiden. Hu Tao, Kazuha… etc

They all have their sigs and are all level 90

[round lodge]

and u chose to build klee?

[strange scarab]

if you think thats a problem then build them. not like you'd be using them all at once isnt it

[void wraith]

It’s a work in progress

[void wraith]

Yes… she’s stronger than Hu Tao

[strange scarab]

replace kazuha with someone else. i know you're using him for battery but there are better options

[round lodge]

im using him for battery and mainly grouping so that i dont have to play circle impact with bennet

[strange scarab]

his grouping is kinda pointless when xiao ungroups them

[round lodge]

btw i hit like 110k per plunge

with this team

[void wraith]

Is this a good team? Xiao, Faruzan, Xianyun, Bennett/Kokomi

[round lodge]

[void wraith]

Currently trying to build them

[round lodge]

yes

[void wraith]

But Xiao might be built later

[strange scarab]

keep bennett and its fine

[void wraith]

Only 1 problem, he’s c6

[strange scarab]

so?

[void wraith]

Alr then

[round lodge]

pyro problem thingy

[strange scarab]

you do realize xiao's anemo infusion cannot be overridden right?

have you consider reading talent desc? 🤔

[void wraith]

How’s my Eula

[void wraith]

Forgot abt that

[round lodge]

goblet??

[strange scarab]

ER lacking crit rate lacking

[void wraith]

She needs ER?

[strange scarab]

well her burst deals significant damage im sure you're already aware of that

though she kills the enemies before it explodes anyways

[void wraith]

She’s in this team: Eula, Yelan, Zhongli, Bennett

[strange scarab]

or they moved right before it did

[void wraith]

I don’t think she needs ER bcs of this team

[strange scarab]

not a single one of them provides battery for her though

[void wraith]

Zhongli

Look at his build

[strange scarab]

point still stands

fav doesnt single handedly solve her er issue

[void wraith]

How much ER should she have?

[round lodge]

more than 110

[strange scarab]

in double cryo she needs 140-160. yours is literally 110 at solo cryo

[jolly junco]

this is not enough ER for a bunch of teams

[small kraken]

im fine with them having bad meta characters like klee albedo etc but the 5050 gotta go...

[round lodge]

triple anemo

[narrow folio]

Her burst is the entirety of her kit...

[jolly junco]

a triple anemo team with a full EM kazuha?

[void wraith]

How much does she need

[void wraith]

Damn