📌gimshim-help

[rugged sparrow]

???

[near prism]

it...literally does not

even if you royally mess up, one of the 3 characters WILL melt

the auras dont just disappear

[rugged sparrow]

you will only fuck up if you use Bennett ult dead last for whatever reason

which seems to be what you're doing from what you've been saying thus far

[near prism]

🔥 🔥 ✍️

[reef comet]

totally not my ayato national

[rugged sparrow]

[reef comet]

i'm too busy battering xiangling

[near prism]

oh also @reef comet sorry if i came across as aggresive i was joking just salty i dont have c6 layla

[rugged sparrow]

no it's ok u can shit on devil

[true imp]

idk, been playing for 3 years, EM build was bad once for me, i never do it again

[rugged sparrow]

???

[reef comet]

don't worry, have fun trying to get more cons

[shy flume]

I appreciate all opinions here regardless of how poorly I will execute any of this 😂

[near prism]

until i get a reason, you're the only person ill shit on

[rugged sparrow]

so you only play mono team and physical I see

[neon harness]

😔 maybe dont do that, he would enjoy it

[reef comet]

[true imp]

mono team is meta, just like how Raiden is meta
but i do mono geo and dendro/electro actually

[rugged sparrow]

... dendro/electro?

so quicken? which is a reaction that heavily relies on EM?

[reef comet]

monodendro monoelectro, surely

[strange scarab]

Wow.. Mono dendro

[near prism]

atk/atk/crit tighnari poggo

[rugged sparrow]

monodendro pog @near prism

[neon harness]

mono electro?with kazuha? aka kazuha em?

[true imp]

well, not quicken, idek what it's called, it's dendro electro and hydro

[near prism]

you know VERY well that my monodendro is alhaitham tighnari kuki nahida

[strange scarab]

Mono dendro with bennett buffer

[rugged sparrow]

golly gee I wonder what stat is being used for hyperbloom

[near prism]

hyperbloom BAAAT

[neon harness]

hyperbloom, where electro has full em?

[reef comet]

hyperbloom scales off def, yur

[rugged sparrow]

no

scales off stamina, silly

[true imp]

EM? yeah, before dendro, I basically never used EM unless Anemo so

[shy flume]

I’ve tried hyperbloom and I suck at it

[near prism]

i will actively make my life's goal to make your life worse

[strange scarab]

Aint no way someone took over my illiterate trophy

[neon harness]

scales off thoughts and prayers>>

[rugged sparrow]

not my problem you love gimping your team options but you do you, just don't spread minsinformation

[near prism]

@rugged sparrow is giving you a run for your money

[true imp]

what misinformation? care to point it out?

[strange scarab]

At least my neuvi showcase is better aint that right @rugged sparrow

[reef comet]

so true, can't believe a zhongli simp failed me, even you don't fail me that much

[rugged sparrow]

people have been shitting on you in the past minutes in this channel

[near prism]

EM is useful in almost any team that uses a reaction lol

barring freeze, crystallize and shatter, every other reaction benefits from atleast 2-3 rolls of EM

[shy flume]

I just don’t really understand how to get it all to properly pop. Not enough bloom? Enemies too scattered? I mean I was doing it with Collei, Lisa/Kiki, Barbara

[jolly junco]

superconduct

[rugged sparrow]

what misinformation they said

[near prism]

i knew i forgot one goddamnit

[jolly junco]

[neon harness]

not one image loading for me, I love my WiFi

[true imp]

they are a waste of time tho???? been there, done that, they're useless

[near prism]

well you know what that means, em freminet time

[rugged sparrow]

can't believe someone's this daft

[jolly junco]

hell yeah, the superconduct and shatter damage

[rugged sparrow]

golly

[near prism]

first off, instructors IS a 4* set
second off, its very good in a lot of teams

[fallen topaz]

Do I keep this weapon on Shenhe or run Favge?

[strange scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-gif-7464780983984223920

[near prism]

vortex if you have enough ER, otherwise favge

[rugged sparrow]

no no, it's a waste of time based on my personal experience that holds 0 account cuz I can't back them up with actual math!

[reef comet]

actually, you should go back to #💬gimshim-chat or #💬general-chat , wherever you belong to

[near prism]

what is math

define it, does it have a taste, what does it smell like, can i use this math to pay my taxes

[rugged sparrow]

math is a construct

[strange scarab]

You are sentenced to 20 years of serving in Game8 and Gamewith journalism

[near prism]

math is whatever i want it to be, if it proves xinyan does 80k DPS

[fallen topaz]

How much is enough ER?

[near prism]

depends on the team

[reef comet]

i'm a game8 lover, frfr

[shy flume]

Now that we’ve properly stirred the pot I need sleep. Thanks all and let me know who wins so I know what I need to farm next week 😂

[rugged sparrow]

you don't neven necessarily need to "farm" instructor

[neon wave]

Who are you using on field?

[rugged sparrow]

shit just drops when you're just doing dailies from elite enemies and from weekly bosses

[reef comet]

1 run gets you full instructor set kekw

[rugged sparrow]

inb4 guy comes in and says "i never farm weekly boss" and has t6 chars

[near prism]

you dont even necesarilly NEED to ''pay'' your taxes i mean what are they gonna do

[strange scarab]

Uh um build stairs

[fallen topaz]

If running for a Ganyu/Ayaka team with any of these characters.

[rugged sparrow]

real

[shy flume]

I rotate a lot but XL or Rosaria tend to be on the field most. The rotation I think is XL > B > R > K > B > R > K repeat

[near prism]

there's a very noticable difference between ganyu and ayaka

in terms of ER reqs in the team

[neon wave]

I meant in the hyperbloom team

[rugged sparrow]

b r k x

[reef comet]

vice versa, i'm the mf who can talent 10 all characters in the game /true

[near prism]

the rotation reads like a stroke

[fallen topaz]

Then for a Ayaya team cause she's probably going to be used more

[near prism]

which one in particular? but generally speaking for ayaka you'd likely prefer favge since ayaka is an energy blackhole

[strange scarab]

Friendly cops cheat code

[shy flume]

Honestly I tried getting it to work a couple times a while back and I think I was going Dendro > Hydro > Electro… yes?

[rugged sparrow]

you mean Ganyu

Ayaka is at least 0.45/s particle

[near prism]

not everyone plays off field ganyu you fiend

[reef comet]

you play ayaka as subdps in freeze team

[fallen topaz]

Probably Ayaya, Yelan, Shenhe, Venti (would want a healer but my choices are limited)

[rugged sparrow]

it's the true way

[near prism]

with venti you could likely afford running vortex as long as you can infuse cryo

[neon wave]

Assuming you're using kuki (which you should), you should on-field Barbara to produce more bloom cores
@shy flume

[near prism]

@jolly junco george did i forget something? this looks awfully low

even with 50% fav proc on yelan and venti

ig ayaka 2E could be a bit awkward for some people

also @rugged sparrow ganyu has very similar energy per second to ayaka, except one of them has an energy focused C1 and a 60 cost

[fallen topaz]

What teams could I run for Spiral?

[shy flume]

I bet I was on fielding Kuki. I know I was trying Lisa too and she just sucks imo 😂 sorry Lisa!

[rugged sparrow]

lies

[neon harness]

which floor or in general?

[fallen topaz]

General

[near prism]

its literally 4 particles per E for ganyu 😭

stop being pissy about them not being frontloaded

[rugged sparrow]

energy blackhole ah

goofy backloaded particles

who does she think she is, Mona?

[near prism]

😭

just pull shenhe atp id rather have you play fav shen instead of hearing you complain about ganyu ER

[rugged sparrow]

wtf is hoyo's obsession with backloaded particles in 1.x units though

[near prism]

there's like what

[rugged sparrow]

literally 3 units

Ganyu Mona Amber

[near prism]

hey better than the 3 no particle units

[rugged sparrow]

:holyfuck

also RNG particle gen on Albedo ZL

just make them gen particle every other hit

[near prism]

RNG particle gen on Albedo probably lowers itto team dps by like 2k

[rugged sparrow]

good game design 🙏

[near prism]

geo keeps catching strays when it comes to energy gen

noelle, albedo, zhongli, yunjin

yun jin is listed because honestly she's quite possibly the most energy hungry character in the game

[rugged sparrow]

not even Fischl particle gen is RNG

tf hoyo

[reef comet]

hoyo just hate you

[near prism]

someone at hoyo really loves fischl

[near prism]

its okay chiori will generate 1 chioriilion geo particles per second

[rugged sparrow]

wait no Fischl is RNG nvm

but it's 66%

[neon harness]

raiden xingqiu/yelan xiangling benny
hutao xingqiu yelan flex
hutao xingqiu anemo pyro
nahida kuki xingqiu yelan
furina jean hutao xingqiu
fischl nahida/yaoyao sucrose/kaz keqing
yoi xingqiu shielder benny/yunjin
wrio benny xiangling anemo
wrio shenhe kaz flex
cyno fischl yaoyao nahida
wanderer faruzan shielder benny
ganyu shielder benny xiangling

[rugged sparrow]

Albedo is 66% but bottlenecked by the bloom cd

[fallen topaz]

Thank you.

[near prism]

loser albedo with 0.33 particles/s vs chad (potentially) 0.66 particles/s layla

[rugged sparrow]

i wanna say smth but for your mental health i'll refrain

[near prism]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-dont-you-dare-gif-21943972

[reef comet]

:nom:

[near prism]

i know what you were going to say

[rugged sparrow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/880040065923973190/1101280996076298361/don_sombrero_big.gif

[neon harness]

:u:

[near prism]

and i want you to know i hate you for it

[rugged sparrow]

be happy my prediction for Layla being on Raiden banner is off

[near prism]

i already told you, if she was on raiden banner you were getting banned

[rugged sparrow]

L

would've been the most satisfying ban ever cuz I get the last laugh

[near prism]

also!!! i finally decided on my tighnari build after messing around with it

[rugged sparrow]

is this the Diona Tighnari shit that I brewed up

[near prism]

no, i meant for my personal tighnari lol

[near prism]

settled on this, 2 less EM rolls than other one, but 2 more ATK rolls and 2 more CD rolls

[rugged sparrow]

whale

still not triple crowned I see

[near prism]

im not crowning the weed field

[rugged sparrow]

delegate yourself from being a Tigh main

[strange scarab]

Smokebomb strong

[near prism]

i never said im a tighnari main you schmuck

[strange scarab]

Wowee finally sara is back should i build pity

[neon harness]

yes

[near prism]

he is one of my favorite characters but i cannot stand crowning talents that are downright useless in terms of level scaling

[near prism]

check for tiggy too there's prob like 100 of those too

[strange scarab]

Hey second one could be tights who knows

[neon harness]

[rugged sparrow]

eh, 84

[reef comet]

watch layla be on klee + wanderer banner

[near prism]

close enough

[jolly junco]

shenhe would funnel 50% to ayaka, but no it looks fine. venti and 2 fav weapons on team lol.

[rugged sparrow]

hey, free starglitters

[near prism]

klee+wanderer would be doomed from the start

[rugged sparrow]

also Faruzan :pog

[near prism]

the funnel wouldnt change much, but fair

yea that seems like vortex viable then

[near prism]

speaking of, are you planning to get chiori too?

[rugged sparrow]

amen

[near prism]

i know you're a geo enjoyer so thought id ask

[rugged sparrow]

moreso liking her personality

[near prism]

based

she's probably my favorite character design and personality wise since layla

thats a bit under a year i think?

[rugged sparrow]

am just hoping she either works with Itto or Navia
would be hilarious if she's another on-fielder though

[near prism]

layla was 2nd half 3.2 right? or was the event first half

[near prism]

man atp i just hope she's good, idc what she does

[rugged sparrow]

E deals chiorillion damage

and unlocks f13 abyss

[near prism]

Q creates 2 chiorillion primos in your account instantly

chiori sweep

[rugged sparrow]

ez

[near prism]

also i know you'll hate me for it but i kinda hope she doesnt work with itto

just because i dont want her to be locked to geo teams 😭

[rugged sparrow]

well there's Navia

[near prism]

i play itto and like him too but i just dont want her to be geo locked

[rugged sparrow]

cope

Itto sweeps

[near prism]

wasnt my itto rated higher on akasha than yours?

[rugged sparrow]

idr

[near prism]

[neon harness]

[rugged sparrow]

wasn't my L-

[reef comet]

hoyo trying to fix geo by adding new characters, they just can't fuck it up

[rugged sparrow]

[near prism]

i will ban you

😭 low blow, but i respect it

[strange scarab]

Worked

[reef comet]

watch her be itto support

[strange scarab]

Who

[rugged sparrow]

asked

[neon harness]

tao

[near prism]

if she's a 5*, chiori likely wont be a support dedicated to 1 character, just because that's not how hoyo designs stuff

[strange scarab]

Oh chiori

Mid

[near prism]

your taste is mid

[rugged sparrow]

watch ppl resort to hyperbloom geo however the fuck

[neon harness]

moyia

[near prism]

crystallize core explosion, except it deals green demej

[strange scarab]

Thr hell is rock swirl? Throwing dust at your opponents' eyes?

[reef comet]

like how c6 shenhe support eula, surely

[elder bluff]

beautiful character banners and weapon banner

[near prism]

what is the connection you made here

i actually dont understand a single ounce of the argument you're making

[strange scarab]

Ah Neat So Dendro Swirl Is Just Pollen Allergy

[reef comet]

what argument, you have lost since layla

[near prism]

https://tenor.com/view/torsion-gif-16742133732546221725

[rugged sparrow]

void whenever u talk to devil u just go: silence, devil

[reef comet]

nah

[rugged sparrow]

verb can be replaced to anything to shut him up

[neon harness]

[reef comet]

won't work

[rugged sparrow]

cease, devil

[near prism]

thanks jerry

[reef comet]

likeyour c2 ttds klee on c6 hutao team?

[rugged sparrow]

who the fuck runs ttds klee on tao team

[strange scarab]

Me.

[reef comet]

Me.

[neon harness]

Me.

[near prism]

who the fuck gets c6 tao thats 5 constellations worth of money wasted

[rugged sparrow]

mfers gimp their dmg to send a msg

[reef comet]

nah

[near prism]

personally id say 7 constellations worth of money wasted but whatever

[neon harness]

nah

[strange scarab]

Could have been spent on xianyun

[fallow yoke]

Im stuck with hunter tighnari

[strange scarab]

Skil isue

[reef comet]

unstuck

[fallow yoke]

Its raining here

[neon harness]

just unrain

[near prism]

@rugged sparrow if the hunter's path rerun will ever come to existence, if it will ever return, are u gonna pull for it?

[fallow yoke]

How

[rugged sparrow]

I've said it before, yes

[near prism]

good, good

[rugged sparrow]

unless it's being paired with dogass weapon like donut

[strange scarab]

Hey i know how to make your furinaless mh tighnari works, do burning team and throw yourself in

[fallow yoke]

Skyward harp better

[rugged sparrow]

??

[near prism]

skyward harp is not even close to being in the same universe as hpath

[strange scarab]

Haaaaa

[rugged sparrow]

arent you the same person that thinks Furina can apply hydro on-field

[fallow yoke]

How to burn tighnari

[jolly junco]

I would like HP, but half of the reason is because of the drip on tighnari

[fallow yoke]

I've realized she doesn't

[near prism]

nono you dont get it the arkhe hydro hit from the NAs!!! (it doesnt apply hydro)

[rugged sparrow]

real

[near prism]

half the reason is the drip, the other half is your enemies blood dripping as your damage almost doubles from hpath

[jolly junco]

Wonder if they'll ever actually rerun it tho

[near prism]

id be surprised if they dont

[strange scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/ash-baby-gif-5920695394641505768

[near prism]

idk how they'll go about it but i dont think they'll make it an exclusive weapon

[fallow yoke]

It's a baby

[opal surge]

How do they rerun it tho, we have no bow character without signature right

Same with dehya weapon

[fallow yoke]

Childe

[strange scarab]

Demon ash baby

[near prism]

ganyu technically doesnt have a signature

[reef comet]

last rerun 498 days ago, surely they will, surely

[cedar flint]

she always rerun with Amos

[opal surge]

[cedar flint]

it’s her signature pretty much

[near prism]

i am very much aware yes

[rugged sparrow]

Albedo sig is PJC pog

[opal surge]

Oh really? Okay then it could work I guess

[rugged sparrow]

or Summit Shaper

[fallow yoke]

Cinnabar

[jolly junco]

Polar Star

[cedar flint]

albedo doesn’t count cus he rerun with different swords all the time

[near prism]

yea lore-wise amos is a mond weapo

[opal surge]

What about dehyas clamour, is there a claymore without a technical signature?

[rugged sparrow]

Diluc

[reef comet]

technically, "pjc has no sig"

[fallow yoke]

Oh i forger

[cedar flint]

albedos signature is cinnabar anyways

[near prism]

not rate up no

[opal surge]

my bacon

[near prism]

also @rugged sparrow seeing how its almost been 500 days since hpath, i dont regret my r2 vortex

[cedar flint]

maybe if we ask in surveys to rerun hunters path and beacon

[rugged sparrow]

[fallow yoke]

How about amber

[reef comet]

nice try, you fail before you send this message

[near prism]

hey, it worked out in the end, monocryo shen goes hard

[fallow yoke]

Chat ded

[cedar flint]

when no one said anything for 30 seconds: ^

[reef comet]

this chat will also dead for the next 30 minutes

[reef comet]

the conversation just died down

[rugged sparrow]

imagine if they just make Ganyu sig after 3 years

[near prism]

tart took a year, i dont see why not

[rugged sparrow]

surely Klee will get her 5* sig too right

[near prism]

nope

[fallow yoke]

Dod-

[cedar flint]

she got so many cracked bows they will actually have to make it the best bow in the game in this case

[near prism]

she exchanged her 5* sig for yearly summertime events

[reef comet]

lost prayers is bop

[fallow yoke]

Lost prayer is great

[copper mist]

Ganyu sig is Hunter's gg

[cedar flint]

ganyu’s signature is Amos

but I want to get the first great magic for her

aqua is not enough

[near prism]

rancid take

[fallow yoke]

How ppl still use ganyu

She's boring af

[cedar flint]

she is my favorite

[reef comet]

can't believe a ganyu simp wants ganyu sig to be a shitty weapon

[cedar flint]

you saying it but it’s like top 3 weapons for her

[near prism]

she's not even the most boring 5* cryo on-field dps that uses the teen female stamina model how can she be boring

[reef comet]

nah, 1. Hunter's Path 2. Hunter's Path 3. Hunter's Path

[cedar flint]

as someone who likes to relax ganyu gameplay is top tier

[near prism]

top 3 where 😭

[cedar flint]

actually first magic is the same rank as hunters path

[reef comet]

when

[near prism]

maybe melt? but anywhere else it's like maybe top 5 with some overestimation on its calcs

[rugged sparrow]

the only section you need to care about anyway

EQ bot agreege

[near prism]

off-field ganyu is pretty based, but on field is also poggo

[reef comet]

Elegy bot frfr

[rugged sparrow]

nah

[reef comet]

i'd win

[rugged sparrow]

quiet, devil

[cedar flint]

first great magic is pog on ganyu + it’s pretty

[near prism]

off field ganyu, or, a more precise name, 80% ayaka's and wriothesley's AoE Team DPS

the other 20% is venti/kaz

[cedar flint]

imo tho aqua looks the best on ganyu wish it was her signature

[near prism]

huge for inherited E hp

[cedar flint]

doesn’t fit yelan at all

stringless looks more like yelan signature than aqua

[reef comet]

i'll, once your klee can shred def

[cedar flint]

it even fits her thematically

[reef comet]

nah

[cedar flint]

my cryo goblet is pretty good

[rugged sparrow]

my guy needs to get their eyes checked

[cedar flint]

not amazing but the best I got

[reef comet]

is it 54.4 cv + 5.8 atk + 6.5 er?

[cedar flint]

aqua looks more like ganyu signature than yelan

[cedar flint]

obviously not

[reef comet]

then how it's pretty good

[rugged sparrow]

well you can't equip Yelan as a weapon for Ganyu now, can you

[cedar flint]

ignore the build tho it’s a alright goblet

[rugged sparrow]

EM in the gutter

[neon harness]

😔 susge sands

[rugged sparrow]

treez would cruficy you and renounce your rights to post Ganyu-related materials if he sees this

[reef comet]

how can such build be worse than mine

my ganyu literally then worst ganyu in the server (because who tf plays ganyu nowadays) smh

[neon harness]

sac ganyu still on top smhsmh

[cedar flint]

I would give her em sands when the melt team is ready it’s for co op rn

[rugged sparrow]

[cedar flint]

it do be like that

[cedar flint]

after all not every co op will be perfect melt setup for ganyu

so it’s more balanced

[reef comet]

?

wow, coop players

[cedar flint]

well em useless if she can’t melt now is it

[sly musk]

Need halp

[rugged sparrow]

cant u just Tao it

[sly musk]

But I already use zhong li on other team

[rugged sparrow]

I fail to see the correlation?

[sly musk]

[rugged sparrow]

you don't need ZL on Tao team
even if you do just replace to other shielders? or defensive slots

[sly musk]

Diona?

Or bennet?

[rugged sparrow]

no Layla?

[sly musk]

Under level

[rugged sparrow]

Diona works then ig sure

[opal surge]

does alhaitham really need zhongli

[rugged sparrow]

he prefers to have interrupt resist

missing mirror proc timings and your DPS just goes out of the window

[keen condor]

is pjc better than mist for ayato

cuz with mist im at 80/260ish

[jolly junco]

ignoring your own artifacts, yes

[keen condor]

Ig i can swap off marrechuse and go glad with slightly better stats

[jolly junco]

Just check the genshin optimizer

[keen condor]

ill be at a simmilar crit ratio

[jolly junco]

you can try both weapons in it

[keen condor]

can i just auto import my builds from enka?

[jolly junco]

I think there's some function that allows that but I haven't tried

[rugged sparrow]

are you gonna pull for PJC now, Chry

[keen condor]

im just asking

[rugged sparrow]

😔

[keen condor]

also im pulling for r2 thundring now

[rugged sparrow]

madlad

[opal surge]

why

[jolly junco]

all for yoimia

[keen condor]

True

[opal surge]

[jolly junco]

A TP refine is ~6% personal damage increase on yoimia

[keen condor]

Going from 10dmg per vape to 16

LETS GOOOOO

[rugged sparrow]

[reef comet]

math

[opal surge]

is that comparatively good or bad for a 5* refine

[rugged sparrow]

6% not 60%

[opal surge]

I have no scale of comparison

[keen condor]

i forgor i cant math

[rugged sparrow]

average I believe

[jolly junco]

It's actually fairly normal

[opal surge]

[jolly junco]

Some higher some lower increases

[keen condor]

10.6 dmg lets goooooo

Im keeping my charecter banner pity incase nahida hopefully comes out

yoi xq nahida zhlongli?

[jolly junco]

Burgeon yoi is uh, quite scuffed

[opal surge]

burgeon yoi doesnt play thundering pulse I imagine

[jolly junco]

Basically your normal attacks end up missing a ton of cores

[keen condor]

Oh welp

i thought i could burgeon plus vape

[jolly junco]

She's just very bad at burgeon

[keen condor]

stayin on vape ig

[sly musk]

Yoi nahida yunjin ZL

I've tried

Burned enemy to crisp

[keen condor]

Burning

[reef comet]

3 dmg team

[jolly junco]

That team will have pretty low DPS

[keen condor]

im currently using yoi yelan benny and zhongli

[opal surge]

im surprised its not YJ rerunning with yoi and its bennet instead ngl

I guess they wanted ot make full pyro electro banner for chevrussy

[sly musk]

Anyway, I lost the 3star. Welp, guess floor 12 is still out of my league

[keen condor]

the banner is out?

[jolly junco]

It's actually a good thing since Yun Jin is at most a sidegrade with Yoimiya anyway from Bennett, and Bennett is much better with Raiden and just a much better character in general

[reef comet]

literally a bait for people who have yet to get c3 raiden, yoi doesn't exist

[keen condor]

im definitely not pulling c6 benny and sara whats the weapon abnner

[opal surge]

I mean sure its a good thing, but weve had bennet on banner recently and a bennet event as well

I would like to get some YJ copies instead

[rugged sparrow]

🤝

[keen condor]

i need c6

[opal surge]

favge sword

[rugged sparrow]

good thing she isn't on Raiden banner though cuz I aint pulling

[reef comet]

it

[opal surge]

maybe I pull a few times on weapon banner just to get a second favge sword

[jolly junco]

My Yun Jin has been C6 for a long time, she was useful for the free wish

[keen condor]

Cope pain slasher the physical calalyst My r20th fav sword plus a useless rust bruhhh

[keen condor]

i need c6 mine is sadly c3

[reef comet]

you have to lose 7 times to get free wish, smg

[jolly junco]

Level 20 ascension

[reef comet]

(i know what my joke means)

[keen condor]

all my chars are lv 50/60 for that free pull

i dont have any books or mora and no men

[reef comet]

1000 book wasted to get skyward pride

[keen condor]

c3 deluic c1 mona kquing and qiqi c0 jean and dehya

i dont want them give me my FUCKING TIGHNARI

[opal surge]

ill trade my c2 tighnari for a c0 dehya

[keen condor]

take mine

[feral reef]

i wish i had a dehya

[keen condor]

cloud retainer yoi support (real)

[feral reef]

cloud retainer is actually xinyan su ppo rt real

similar names

[keen condor]

I wish dehya was real

[keen condor]

physical support

[feral reef]

phys support that buffs atk and def

[keen condor]

atk buff is all i need yoi support lets goo

[feral reef]

no but its a mid buff unless you are xinyan scaling

[keen condor]

ah rip

she increases atk and def so ig the best albedo support too

[dawn torrent]

Oh ok

Tq

[keen condor]

she can work in meme teams

[rugged sparrow]

she mostly needs c6 to be a decent pick in most teams

[keen condor]

like hydro hutao vape (hutao xiangling candce bennet

[rugged sparrow]

what in the

[neon harness]

[keen condor]

i said meme teams

[rugged sparrow]

your Ayato ER is meme

[urban ivy]

Meme teams

[keen condor]

Hey 5 er is enough to burst every other other rotation

[neon harness]

[haughty lotus]

brotha... I said it was obvious which is better between c2 and r2, assuming you would assume I was talking about c2

[keen condor]

Yea but also c2 is hard to get

we going c0r5

[haughty lotus]

so is getting a weapon

[keen condor]

i belive with enough copeium any energy is enough

[keen condor]

nah its just one weapon but for chars its 2

[haughty lotus]

with enough painfully extending rotations and tanking dps

[haughty lotus]

nice 3 times going to pity

[keen condor]

150 is enouh for c1 helan

[haughty lotus]

depending on the team sure

[rugged sparrow]

pass that copium along, Chry, I need some while waiting for Varka

[keen condor]

thats what happend to get my r1 went to 75 78 and 80

[haughty lotus]

your furina is almost never getting away with that ER tho

[keen condor]

im trying

[urban ivy]

He's Capitano, trust

[keen condor]

game dont like me have u seen my sands

[rugged sparrow]

how the f

[urban ivy]

Just trust

[rugged sparrow]

no

[keen condor]

i may or may not have pulled my wallet

[rugged sparrow]

doesn't align with my headcanon

[swift crown]

[keen condor]

varka is jeans dad and the 9th harbinger

[reef comet]

and then you found him dead somewhere in the valley

[rugged sparrow]

he's not

and 9th Harbinger is Pantalone

[keen condor]

isnt there a missing one i forgor

[urban ivy]

Headcanon

[swift crown]

@haughty lotus

[rugged sparrow]

10th is theoretically missing

[keen condor]

Varka 10th harbinger and jeans father

Also he adopted me fr fr

[rugged sparrow]

I mean Varka isn't Jean's dad but 😔

not something I'd actively oppose

.

[neon harness]

[reef comet]

jerry made the chat sus

[rugged sparrow]

wasnt me

[haughty lotus]

what did I miss

[rugged sparrow]

u

[urban ivy]

Lore

[keen condor]

nothin much bbg

[neon harness]

😏

[keen condor]

do we even know how varka looks?

[rugged sparrow]

no

[reef comet]

like jean's dad (true)

[rugged sparrow]

[keen condor]

cuz he is

[reef comet]

frfr

[keen condor]

i own minoyo turst

[swift crown]

idk wtf is going on with the wifi at home

[reef comet]

yum

[keen condor]

AMA

[rugged sparrow]

will you ever increase your Ayato ER

[haughty lotus]

whoa are you at yunyuns house????

[keen condor]

nO why would i burst

[rugged sparrow]

will there be Bolin crossover as free 5-star unit in genshin

[neon harness]

😭 my wifi isnt that bad

[keen condor]

yes also korra fr fr

[haughty lotus]

[keen condor]

geo and hydro respectivly

[swift crown]

i would brave the wifi there for her

[neon harness]

[haughty lotus]

dont lie

[rugged sparrow]

poggers

[reef comet]

nice try, see this picture?

[keen condor]

5.3 hopefully also yoi rerun in 4.6

[urban ivy]

Nice

[haughty lotus]

omg is that

[keen condor]

looks like my dad fr fr

[reef comet]

4 pings in a span of 1 minute

skul

[limber goblet]

yae, fish, nahida, zl, tighnari, maybe kazuha- whats the best team out of these characters?

[keen condor]

Nahida tigh fish yae

[reef comet]

Tighnari Yae Fischl Sucrose/Kazuha/Zhongli/Nahida

[keen condor]

why zl?

[rugged sparrow]

ZL mostly for comfort

[keen condor]

nahida is better for everyones dmg

[keen condor]

u have tigh on field for around 3.5 secs

[limber goblet]

surely its really easy to die

[rugged sparrow]

and then you have Yae on-field for the rest of the rotation

[reef comet]

balls

[keen condor]

Prototype nahida

[neon harness]

[limber goblet]

real advice?

[keen condor]

u can replace fish or yae with zhlongli

[keen condor]

could be

just cope hard enough

[limber goblet]

so fish more replacable than tigh

[reef comet]

that's 100 dmg loss from 10 dmg

[haughty lotus]

tighnari is replacable, fischl is not

[keen condor]

i though they wanted a tighmari twam

[haughty lotus]

when

[keen condor]

i should never read again

[limber goblet]

i want to play yae dendro tbf

so was wondering what the best way to do so was

[keen condor]

ill sue my english teacher

[limber goblet]

havent played in a year

[keen condor]

gonna revert to عربي

[haughty lotus]

yae fischl dendro (nahida/tighnari/yaoyao/kirara/baizhu) anemo/zhongli (kazuha/sucrose/venti)

[limber goblet]

is nahida or tigh better

for this team

[rugged sparrow]

depends™️

[haughty lotus]

if your dendro is nahida/tighnari you'd probably want zhongli unless you think you can survive without it

[keen condor]

depends™️ should be a offical emoji at this point

[rugged sparrow]

Nahida has good aoe coverage but Tigh just sweeps when it comes to sgt

[reef comet]

sweeps the floor

[spiral mantle]

guys question

lets say i got lost prayer on the sacred winds back in the 3.7 yoimiya yae weapon banner

will the next 5* in the weapon banner be guaranteed a rate up banner even if its on a seperate banner (as in the guarantee was carried to current weapon banner)

[rugged sparrow]

begone, devil

[limber goblet]

playing tigh means yae is not really onfield right

[rugged sparrow]

Yae is

[keen condor]

nO

[limber goblet]

only swap in for e and burst

[reef comet]

it's a quickswap team

[haughty lotus]

yes

[spiral mantle]

:((((

[rugged sparrow]

Tigh field-time takes ~5s, then you just on-field with Yae to proc more Fischl A4

[spiral mantle]

wait rlly

[haughty lotus]

yep, chry felt like lying

[keen condor]

sadly not

[limber goblet]

5 seconds is like e q and then a few nas?

[spiral mantle]

wow

[rugged sparrow]

Chry probably thinks Lost Prayer was featured

[haughty lotus]

everything carries over, except for the epitomized path points

[spiral mantle]

wait i need an actual answer smh

[haughty lotus]

baste

[keen condor]

It dosent

[rugged sparrow]

not even NA with Tigh

[reef comet]

baste

[rugged sparrow]

it does since LP isn't a featured

they lost the 75%

so their next weap is guaranteed featured of the two

[reef comet]

baste

[spiral mantle]

wait yayyy then

[keen condor]

The gurentee dosent carry over

[rugged sparrow]

you're mistaking guarantee with fate points

[keen condor]

Huh?

[rugged sparrow]

guarantee carries over until you reach pity

[keen condor]

wait i dont understand

[reef comet]

you don't

[keen condor]

i thought only pity does

[spiral mantle]

you probably thought of fate points

[rugged sparrow]

ok let's take an example of next weapon banner

[spiral mantle]

i was asking about the guarantee

[limber goblet]

how much better is c6 fish from c3

[keen condor]

Alot

[rugged sparrow]

Engulfing + TP right

[spiral mantle]

yes

[rugged sparrow]

and then you get Lost Prayer

then the next 5-star you get will be either Engulfing or TP

applies if banner changes

[keen condor]

they are talking about somthing else

[spiral mantle]

yayyy

[keen condor]

ohhhhh

[rugged sparrow]

...

[keen condor]

So like

[rugged sparrow]

Chrypls

[reef comet]

how can this dude know nothing and still trying to pull for r2 tp, smh

[spiral mantle]

me? i was literally asking abt the guarantee not fate points

[haughty lotus]

he's gaslighting you, surely

[rugged sparrow]

ill gaslight him back

[keen condor]

if i lose rn on this banner and get skyward pride or sm shit

[reef comet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/865770843614609448/1094404334588022785/ezgif.com-gif-maker_18.gif

best genshin player

[rugged sparrow]

it's legit just like character banner

[keen condor]

next banner i will 100% get TP or EL?

[rugged sparrow]

yes

[keen condor]

i was lied to

decived bamboozeld

[haughty lotus]

im guessing you misread

[rugged sparrow]

either misread or someone who told you was actual pepega

[keen condor]

I have difficulty’s with english

[reef comet]

learn

[keen condor]

prolly

[rugged sparrow]

it's ok blame memesicles

[haughty lotus]

who

[reef comet]

Four

[rugged sparrow]

actually no, blame devil

[keen condor]

i used to read this discord in arabic using google translate untill i found out it isnt good

[haughty lotus]

ayo

[reef comet]

yolk

[rugged sparrow]

you what

[keen condor]

look i did it for like a day or two

[rugged sparrow]

rough

[keen condor]

english is hard

[reef comet]

make it easy

[keen condor]

ive been learning tho

[keen condor]

i will dw

[rugged sparrow]

nono, blame devil

[limber goblet]

how much better is c3 raiden from c2

[rugged sparrow]

like 15-20% increase?

[keen condor]

time to blame memesicles

[limber goblet]

i need to farm starglitter to buy fish

[reef comet]

https://tenor.com/view/hatsune-miku-beta64-live-reaction-sims3-gif-26272830

[limber goblet]

worth??

[reef comet]

not really, you will bench raiden, eventually

[rugged sparrow]

define "worth"

[haughty lotus]

this site has the constellation % increases for most characters https://keqingmains.com/raiden/#※_Constellations_※

[limber goblet]

thanks

[keen condor]

the art is so cool

[limber goblet]

why?

[reef comet]

literally every raiden main ever:

[keen condor]

this make me hapy

[reef comet]

i guess you don't main raiden so there's that

[limber goblet]

i do

[rugged sparrow]

if you play Raiden often then sure, her c3 is nice

moreso if you can reliably clear abyss already

[reef comet]

10 months from now and you will stop maining raiden after you found out what other characters do

[limber goblet]

i still main xiao tbf

not a meta slave

[reef comet]

a xiao main? ig you will never unmain him, i never see a xiao main does that

[neon harness]

🤭

[reef comet]

royal slave to 5 dmg

[keen condor]

just like me fr fr

[swift crown]

guess you've found one

[reef comet]

[keen condor]

we need hight reveals for charecters

i need to make sure dori is taller than xiao

xiao 150 cm (real)

or like 4’11 american ig i dont know what kind of math they use

[lyric cargo]

as a c0 haver (benched): rational is pretty alright in single target, but since abyss often has a mix of single and multi target I rarely choose it

even in recent single target abysses, I preferred hyperbloom over rational (partly because it has c2 Nahida, they're not at the same investment)

[neon harness]

as a c0 haver, i moved on cus i found more brain dead teams to play lol

[copper mist]

I still use Raiden from time to time (C3)

My build on her is kinda mid so I don't use her a lot

And my preference for electro carries is Yae most of the time

[lyric cargo]

(excuse the audio)
example for rational in multi target

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/915180263003267094/1136976230923653202/rational-vs-rifthounds.mp4?ex=65a11b21&is=658ea621&hm=e08c039dfc3c87adda1f9e78705a5e7097d39d24343c1a0acc114266f7db314e&

feels like eating powder with chopsticks

[jolly junco]

raiden does actually have an accessible team archetype that does pretty well in AoE but everyone shits on it for some reason

(aggravate)

[lyric cargo]

I heard raiden aggravate recommended in other places, but not here so far

what I heard here was she doesn't have great electro application and I should use another electro on-fielder

[rugged sparrow]

Raiden/Yae in agg is 😩 👌

[jolly junco]

the first part is true but she can make up for it with AoE

its not like dogshit electro application either

[fallen topaz]

Should I run Inazuma's craftable sword for Jean or run her with Fav?

[rugged sparrow]

either works, depending

[copper mist]

Fav is better but if you wanna Fav on someone else

Then go ahead and put Amenoma on Jean, also doesn't force you to get crit rate

which can be an advantage when building

more room for ER, Healing Bonus circ etc.

[fallen topaz]

So, both work for Healer Jean?

[copper mist]

Both are fine yeah

[rugged sparrow]

the wording "don't matter" confused me a bit there

[fallen topaz]

Yeah, that's why I edited it.

[jolly junco]

you can also just use like atk/atk/crit rate with fav if it's for a furina team

[fallen topaz]

VV set, right?

[copper mist]

Or be a chad and just get enough CR subs and run HB anyway

[jolly junco]

generally yes, I can think of some exceptions though

[fallen topaz]

What exceptions?

[jolly junco]

like if you use her in a xiao, faruzan, furina team you could just use noblesse

[fallen topaz]

I don't have Xiao. I do have another short emo anemo boy though. I don't think he would want Jean though. (wanderer)

[jolly junco]

nah it's quite difficult fitting furina into wanderer teams

[rugged sparrow]

if you have c4 Jean you definitely can use her

[copper mist]

Wandara can use Jean too with Furina but it's uhh

yeah I'd say just not worth without C4 on Jean

[jolly junco]

shieldless wanderer is not a pleasant experience idc if some people say it's fine for them

[copper mist]

Yeah it's lol

[fallen topaz]

I only have C1 iirc

[olive isle]

oh it’s fine, i can run shieldless wande-
2 seconds stagger
i can dodge
another staggering attack after using ur free dash

[jolly junco]

[feral reef]

dodge better

[reef comet]

is bro even allow to use discord

[vast wadi]

next banner i really wanna get the four stars, i have none i am ar 55 and i have both yoi and raiden. i use yoi a lot more and def like her better than raiden but her c1 is like useless when running shim, which i am. i am not sure what banner to pull on for the 4 stars so can u guys tell me what to do?

[rugged sparrow]

who are you specifically pulling for

[olive isle]

do you want to pull for chevruse?

[tame cedar]

What units are good in a neuvi furina team?

[jolly junco]

is this c0 or c1+ neuvillette

[tame cedar]

C0

I'm a broke female dog

[jolly junco]

typically just a character who can provide resistance to interruption + have VV shred on the team (teamwide healing is also nice but not necessary)

neuv, furina, zhongli/layla, kazuha/jean for example

[tame cedar]

God dang it I need to build layla

[lyric cargo]

same, she's lvl20 still

[tame cedar]

She's at 50 I was going to build her

Then I forgor

Then stopped playing for 3 months

[jolly junco]

you can also use baizhu with kazuha, neuv, furina since he provides partial resistance to interruption and teamwide healing, but his ER requirements are very high in the team and its kinda wasting a lot of his kit potential

[tame cedar]

No baizhu

[rugged sparrow]

just get c2 Baizhu :^)

[lyric cargo]

I'm running Jean Kazuha which is terrible in terms of giving Neuv his stacks.

Though I still clear fine, so I don't feel pressed to level another char right now

[jolly junco]

that's just neuv + furina combo being so strong

[urban ivy]

Charlotte?

[lyric cargo]

I'm playing to pull c1 r1 Neuv and then hopefully something like pyro archon last slot (we'll see)

[tame cedar]

My only(built) shielder is diona

[jolly junco]

she's fine but at c0 neuv having resistance to interruption from someone on the team is nice

[lyric cargo]

I'm still looking for a good damaging last slot option

like xiangling but more self sufficient

[rugged sparrow]

Fischl:

[reef comet]

Who:

[lyric cargo]

ideally someone who takes good advantage of reactions

electro charged isn't great but she'd do (if I had c1 already)

[jolly junco]

from a balance standpoint I don't want any neuvillette buffs

[rugged sparrow]

whel

[lyric cargo]

yeah, he's already very good

[reef comet]

George doing Neuvillion dmg already

[jolly junco]

yes

last abyss every boss 2nd half died in 2 charged attacks

c1 r1

[rugged sparrow]

is your Furi c0

[jolly junco]

no she is c3

[rugged sparrow]

whel

[jolly junco]

i saved and got lucky, only one gem pack bought for it

[lyric cargo]

I was running c0 Neuv, c0 Furi, Jean, Kaz and it already feels like my second best single target team. best if AoE

[reef comet]

approximately how many pulls from none to c3

[urban ivy]

C2 Klee

[jolly junco]

270ish I think. won all 50/50s, I only got one early though

and it was mid 50s

[reef comet]

truly a whele of all time

[rugged sparrow]

whel

[dusty cape]

[sweet glen]

sucrose is used for only her skill right?

[dusty cape]

afternoon, yozhe..

[reef comet]

you also use her burst in teams where she uses her burst (true)

[swift crown]

my friend tested positive for covid and we shared a drink today

[dusty cape]

sillybilly

[sweet glen]

should i keep navia here or just replace her with sucrose?

[reef comet]

woah

[sweet glen]

waht?

[reef comet]

anyway, why would you replace navia for a mid character

[sweet glen]

cause thats a melt team?

idk im new

[rugged sparrow]

Rosaria's and Navia's ER:

[reef comet]

just replace rosaria with sucrose

[sweet glen]

NO im not

[sweet glen]

why NO !!!

[rugged sparrow]

team's workable but this

[reef comet]

yur (i don't even know your roster)

[sweet glen]

rosaria is c4 so her ER is enough to complete one cycle

no way

[rugged sparrow]

one cycle on what

overworld enemies?

[sweet glen]

heh?

everyone

[reef comet]

they one cycle abyss hydro tulpa

[rugged sparrow]

pog

[sweet glen]

her skill gives 5 energy particles for her so its fill up pretty quickly

[sour birch]

people who want to do the next chamber

[strange scarab]

Denied, i shall emerge victorious

Speaking of which one of these do yall think i should do first before starting the main event

[reef comet]

base on timeline ig

[neon wave]

Muskets? I'd say furina

[strange scarab]

Less go

[opal surge]

furina SQ is the only "relevant" one for the event

[strange scarab]

Ye im a slow reader one quest can take me 2 days believe it or not

I be replaying scenes and dialogues

[opal surge]

Highly recommend doing neuvi and wriothesley SQ though they're really good, but they have no relevance to the main event

[strange scarab]

Alright so imma save em for later except furiballs

Would be weird to do the event and saw her directing movies when i just saw her bawling on the throne yesterday

[sweet glen]

BENNEDICTS!!

[fallen topaz]

Is this stats good for Furina?

[copper mist]

On the low side I'd say

What weapon is she using?

[fallen topaz]

Pipe

[copper mist]

It's really low CV

Furina really wants the crit

trade in some crit rate for crit damage too

[fallen topaz]

@copper mist Does this work?

[copper mist]

Ehh that's probably not better no

You'd want 1:2 ratio not the near 1:1 or 1:3

[hot python]

Does off field nahida need crit stats?

[fallen topaz]

So back to farming it is.

[reef comet]

yes

[copper mist]

Depends on the team but it's not bad

[hot python]

burgeon

[reef comet]

yes

[copper mist]

Some teams you'd just want her on 1k em others you can put something else

I'd go crit in burgeon

[hot python]

how much crit?

[copper mist]

Whatever optimizer tells me

Balancing her em and crit

[hot python]

can i have the website for optimizer?

[reef comet]

around 60/160 600 em 100-130 er, as she gains crit rate from em

[copper mist]

https://frzyc.github.io/genshin-optimizer/

[copper mist]

Yeah that's a nice general goal

[hot python]

this my stats atm

[reef comet]

pretty ok

also send enka card

[haughty hawk]

a million em when

[reef comet]

a million you when

[haughty hawk]

no whale

[haughty hawk]

woah

[dusty cape]

[sharp saddle]

my heart yes

[fallen topaz]

Does this seem better for Furina?

[small blade]

the first one was better

[fallen topaz]

Man

Alright. Fixing Furina another day, is this Dehya decent or too low on cdmg? Running her sig

[copper mist]

Looks good to me tbh

Yeah bit on the low side with CV but you have a lot of ER so

[haughty hawk]

meow

[fallen topaz]

Thank God

[lofty badger]

putting dehya on a team will make the team instantly family friendly

[woeful narwhal]

Which weapon is best for Ayaka?

[reef comet]

bad flower, decent feather, good sands, bad goblet, bad circlet, level 90 her weapon

[hot python]

havent really farmed that domain so yeah

been farming emblem for 3 months just for an er sands and have gotten nothing out of it

[reef comet]

craft amenoma or finale of the deep

[hot python]

is em or dendro gob better?

or whichever has better stats

[rancid gulch]

chat can someone help me bjild a ganyu team

[reef comet]

use optimizer

[reef comet]

melt: ganyu zhongli bennett xiangling
burnmelt: ganyu dehya nahida bennett
freeze: ganyu mona/kokomi shenhe/rosaria/diona kazuha/venti

[rancid gulch]

uhuh

alrighy then thsnk u genshin player

[reef comet]

[haughty hawk]

good morning jenshin helper Hidden50

[lyric cargo]

what team is she on? either way, em and crit substats are probably pretty close for her personal damage so use whichever gives you more in total

em (up to 1000) is better if she's off-field.

keep in mind you can replace the worst with an off-piece. using 5 pieces of the same set doesn't provide any additional bonus

[sly musk]

I lost weapon banner.. Any idea with whom I shall give?

[olive isle]

keqing likes the weapon

[jolly junco]

alhaitham, keqing or xingqiu

[sly musk]

Ooohh, aight thank you

[swift forge]

who's a good sub for bennet(c6) or mika (dont have) to eula ?

[sly musk]

Rosaria or Diona

Fischl

[jolly junco]

you shouldn't use c6 bennett with eula btw, at least outside of burst showcases

[opal surge]

I think that's why they're looking for a substitution :p

[jolly junco]

send a picture of who you have

[swift forge]

can eula work with furina ?

[jolly junco]

yeah i was looking for charlotte but i cant see her here

[swift forge]

I also dont have her

[jolly junco]

you could use eula, layla, rosaria, fischl

you want teamwide healing to effectively use furina, jean isn't synergistic with eula

[swift forge]

ohhh oke oke I'll pull for charlotte when I see her banner again

[reef comet]

lol

[jolly junco]

mika (at least at c6) is better than her here. though getting 7 mika copies will be painful..

[opal surge]

[swift forge]

oke oke I'll try

[median glade]

is eula kuki rosaria lisa ttds good

[jolly junco]

It should work, it's not one of the stronger teams though

[median glade]

no I mean compared to the team u mentioned

[jolly junco]

I think it'd be less team DPS

[median glade]

oh fishcl

[haughty hawk]

not as strong as u

[jolly junco]

im not really that strong but thanks

[cedar flint]

do we know when will be navia leader board out?

[jolly junco]

unless there's some announcement on akasha or an akasha discord server if one exists, no

[cedar flint]

I see

thanks

[spring karma]

Wow

[copper mist]

Is that official

[spring karma]

Yeah

Genshin official account posted

[jolly junco]

the banners were shown earlier today

[copper mist]

Oh mb

That banner is crazy ngl

[spring karma]

Yep

I’m gunna try get c5 bennet and a few copy’s of Sara

[jolly junco]

gl

[icy elbow]

Raiden shogun 🥲

I will try my best

[spring karma]

I’m at 55 pity guaranteed for raise. But I guess I have a reason to carry on wishing with the wishes I get this month because of the 4stars

Raiden*

[jolly junco]

sara isn't all that important to have tbh, even at c6 she's very replaceable but your choice

[lyric cargo]

probably the best raiden banner you can hope for, if you want her

assuming Chev is good / works with her

I heard Furina replaced c6 Sara in hyper, though not too sure of the source

[spring karma]

Bennet snd sara both improve my raiden team so I’ll try get constellations and maybe c1 raiden if I’m lucky

[lyric cargo]

unless Sara is c6, she's not a consideration afaik

[spring karma]

Yh I’ve built Lisa until I get her c6

[reef comet]

C2 Furina can replace anyone, except the dps (true)

[umbral sedge]

[warped oracle]

At c6 sara isn’t really replaceable for raiden hypercarry, she’s a major upgrade over Bennett or TTSD

The only reason sara isn’t recommend is because you’ll need to majorly invest in her compared to Lisa with a level one ttds

At c2 Sara becomes usable, but not anything special

At c6 she becomes raiden’s best support

[jolly junco]

she is very replaceable in a team of raiden, bennett, kazuha even at c6

if we look at c0 raiden then using sara is actually worse than several alternatives for team dps

granted sara is good for AoE but eh she's really nothing that special and is not very good when it comes to just finishing off enemies without burst cycling again

[lyric cargo]

the way I understood it, they meant c0

Sara mainly gives you more frontload but similar dps, they said

[warped oracle]

The only reason to really use Bennett over Sara is his healing, other c6 Sara offers far more damage

[reef comet]

I won't comment about c0 furina, pretty unclear dmg increase or sidegrade for alternative teams. And if you meant Sara, then I won't also comment about her either.

[warped oracle]

You could also just use all 4 together and have an insane team lol

[jolly junco]

this isn't true

sara's buff duration is much shorter and ignoring healing bennett offers useful utility like the ability for kazuha to absorb pyro in his burst to trigger overloads

sara is better than bennett for monoelectro but that's a different team archetype which also uses yae

well it wouldnt really be monoelectro if bennett was on the team

[lyric cargo]

c6 Sara vs c0 Furina

[warped oracle]

The buff extension doesn’t actually matter that much… realistically once Sara’s buff has ended all of your damage has been dealt

[jolly junco]

?

[warped oracle]

Which is practically the same Atk increase as bennett + 60% crit damage and even the small buff to electro res

[rugged sparrow]

[jolly junco]

raiden frontloads a lot of damage in her burst slash but that is far from true

[warped oracle]

Never said that, but Sara’s buff lasts long enough to get plenty of NA + CA in

[jolly junco]

what you said is "realistically once Sara’s buff has ended all of your damage has been dealt" which is wrong

[warped oracle]

Sorry, most

[jolly junco]

if we're talking about sara being one of the best picks for raiden's personal damage then yeah, but if we're talking about team DPS at a c0 raiden she is far from it

[warped oracle]

That’s literally what I said

[jolly junco]

what you said is that she's a major upgrade over bennett

which is false

[opal surge]

Judging by when neuv and furina boards came it'll likely be in 4.4

[cedar flint]

4.4 what