📌gimshim-help

[quaint fern]

pyro keqing c6 bennett

[dusty cape]

[primal osprey]

inb4 Physical DPS Clorinde

[native summit]

ew.

[sly musk]

I thought Yoi x Raiden best overload

[native summit]

probably is..

now the real question is, will sara also work in chevy's overloaded teams

[neon harness]

If you wanted to cope atleast use fischl

[quaint fern]

Maybe some kind of Raiden on field?

[native summit]

shorely

[quaint fern]

Chevi Bennett xiangling raiden

[sly musk]

Chevi electro?

[quaint fern]

Depends if cheuvi is sufficient to battery xiangling

[native summit]

bennett's already more than capable for that part...

xiangling 300% ER

[quaint fern]

No if you wanted to run bennettless for whatever reason

[neon harness]

🤮🤮overload

[native summit]

nobody does that (or at least, i hope nobody does..)

[sly musk]

Unless the char is not 5star, not worth for me

Im saving for c2 Raiden

https://tenor.com/view/reupload-genshin-baal-raiden-shogun-gif-22288645

[native summit]

waiting for my beloved...

[neon harness]

albedo rerun susge

[native summit]

[umbral sedge]

What is this chat lol

[native summit]

randomness

[neon harness]

u

[dusty cape]

udeeznut

[crude snow]

How do I showcase this lil guy?

[lyric cargo]

mono hydro I guess? 117er seems really low otherwise

I guess you don't care about getting your burst back for a showcase

[crude snow]

Hmm, I’ll put Candace on fav.

[lyric cargo]

if you want to see big numbers from him, you'd probably want to on-field him with bennett as his burst doesn't snapshot

that's if you want damage per screenshot rather than optimized team damage

[crude snow]

If I want to showcase should prob go for dmg per screen shot.
But his biggest dmg comes from his e, so I'm debating wether to put him on 2pc golden.

[brave tundra]

hey guys i interacted with all 6 ghosts in my konda village quest and nothing happens

any idea why?

[civic totem]

there's any shop where I can buy a lot of crabs?

[native summit]

i doubt it

[civic totem]

I found one on liyue but I only can buy 10

and I don't want to farm crabs

[sick quarry]

Should I go like 60k hp for neuvi or like 300% crit dmg

[nova swift]

Not as good as you

[haughty lotus]

Balance, and good luck getting 60k hp

[sick quarry]

imma get both trust🔥🔥🔥

[haughty lotus]

Mhm

[median glade]

is that for atk food?

[haughty lotus]

[earnest canyon]

let him cook

[lyric cargo]

don't neglect hydro dmg%. (goblet)

actual answer:
https://tinyurl.com/GenshinBuilds
use the pieces with the right mainstat and highest number of useful substats. balance your crit ratio. if multiple pieces with similarly many good stats, use the optimizer

technically optimal:

100 : 200   33078 hp
100 : 220   35283 hp
100 : 240   37488 hp
100 : 260   39694 hp
100 : 280   41899 hp
100 : 300   44104 hp

[sick quarry]

dang 100 critrate and 300 critdmg is literally basically just 300% more base dmg ain’t it

[rustic frost]

Do u have a link to this optimizer?

[civic totem]

adeptus tentation yeah

[median glade]

this only 50 less flat atk

[lyric cargo]

together with the hp it's like 12x the damage of an itemless Neuvilette, yeah 😅

[lyric cargo]

https://frzyc.github.io/genshin-optimizer/

[rustic frost]

Thx

[primal latch]

Is prototype crescent better than aqua simulacra for ganyu if u can trigger its passive?

[haughty lotus]

No

[native summit]

i dont think crescent is better than aqua for ganyu in general...

[amber geode]

That is from a purple ball puzzle that is shot into the rings

[civic totem]

hmmmmm I think that 50 atk is necessary for 1M idk...

[haughty lotus]

What character, brother

[civic totem]

think, brother, think

[haughty lotus]

It better not be be babala, brother

[civic totem]

[haughty lotus]

Idk if you’re gonna hit 1M then

[civic totem]

I already hit 914k with the wrong widsith buff 😔

[median glade]

-1 dmg 😔

[jolly junco]

just draw an extra 0 on your computer screen

[civic totem]

Jingle bellzhe

[civic totem]

https://tenor.com/view/ohhh-duh-why-didnt-i-think-of-that-gif-21849807

[umbral sedge]

Le' Mao

[median glade]

if u pulled furina u could use food to get fanfare
and not sara 😔

[civic totem]

I did it guys

[median glade]

or mona

[civic totem]

Sara is better

[civic totem]

Sara is better

Sara is better

She's not even 90

[median glade]

u are spelling elegy wrong

[civic totem]

silly hp bar

[civic totem]

[nova swift]

Not as necessary as you

[tulip glade]

How long does genshin email support take to respond

[civic totem]

I think it depends what you need

[umbral sedge]

Proportional to the amount of time this chat take to respond to your question

[tulip glade]

Account recovery

I sent my uid and transaction ids what are my chances

[civic totem]

maybe not that much if you're a spender

[tulip glade]

Does $40 count

Back in 2021?

[civic totem]

I think it does

[civic totem]

sure

[tulip glade]

I haven’t had access to it since 2021

[native summit]

now add another zero.

[civic totem]

that's not even possible

[native summit]

exactly.

[spiral mantle]

What should i do

[umbral sedge]

You should ascend character 90 weapon
Farm more ™️

[spiral mantle]

idw 90 her

[tulip glade]

Guys I searched the uid of my hacked account from 2021 and it says my AR is 51? I’m pretty sure it was 60 before I lost it

Is it possible for it to not show up to date stats? I searched for it on add friends

[sour birch]

nah

are you sure you were AR60 at the time

[umbral sedge]

https://youtu.be/dbUi7azQAlo

[neon harness]

Furu-zan de fonatine when

[umbral sedge]

[lyric cargo]

maybe you've got the wrong uid?

[lyric cargo]

[native summit]

Oz build

[tulip glade]

Nah it 100% right

[tulip glade]

Idk I think so? It’s been so long

[feral reef]

Thanks aswell!

[haughty hawk]

fazbear

[loud hearth]

Im thinking of building a team with yelan and cyno in it, what (4 stars) would work best with them. (im struggling because i dont have bedou or fischl)

Also if your wondering why i want to put them in a team together, its cause there my two fav characters so i get they might not be the most optimal together but yeah

lol

[pseudo canopy]

No they can be pretty insane especially if you use hyperbloom

4 star wise maybe Dendro trav/collei and xingqiu

[fathom vapor]

c0 raiden or c2 furina?

im on a rate on so its guaranteed

[loud hearth]

would it be more worth long term to invest in collei or dendro trav?

[pseudo canopy]

That I’m not completely sure on

[pseudo canopy]

C0 Raiden. Unless you can clear everything and even then it’s usually recommended to get new characters over cons most of the time

[frosty jetty]

What could I improve on my Nuvi?

[fathom vapor]

thank you, was considering bcos furinas c2 is actually really good lol

[neon harness]

Sands

[lyric cargo]

the sands is by far your worst piece. more hp% subs would also be good.

I guess that card is without hydro resonance (assuming he's on a 2 hydro team)? but he'd still like some more even after resonance

[frosty jetty]

Yeah its without resonance

im like 5k resin deep into the domain, and that's the best Hp sands I could get : D

Anything besides the sands?

[lyric cargo]

the other pieces will probably take longer to improve, but given the sands definitely keep farming

there's always a chance you'll improve the other pieces as well

[jolly junco]

dendro traveler and kuki

[robust marsh]

Honestly idk if i should save for navia or not

kind of tempted to roll for Cyno, but... what teams can cyno even be played on?

[frosty jetty]

None

[strange scarab]

Get navia

[spiral mantle]

should i replace sands with an em one

[dusty cape]

No

[keen condor]

It’s perfect just a better sands

Raiden or nahida

I can’t choose

Also don’t let ayaka influence ur decisions she is perma benched day one

[quaint fern]

What is this ayaka slander

[neon harness]

Who ever you like more

[neon harness]

If it was my acc, I’d get nahida cus she wants a team without Benny, but that’s just me

Also hyperbloom is one of the most brain dead good dmg teams 😝

[feral reef]

fazbear

[nova swift]

Not as perfect as you

[haughty hawk]

im a big fan

[strange scarab]

Ur ur ur ur ur ur

[neon harness]

on ur way to 1k "not as" messages

gonna hit 1k by new year?

[nova swift]

Mayhaps

I'm at 809 rn

[dusty cape]

[neon harness]

[olive isle]

[dusty cape]

[olive isle]

i got yanqing’d

[alpine rock]

[neon harness]

relatable

[olive isle]

he was useful until i guaranteed jingliu

[nova swift]

Not as useful as you

[strange scarab]

[olive isle]

useful in certain areas, yes. just the master of none

[dusty cape]

I got bailu’d on huohuo’s banner that was a disappointment of a lifetime

[neon harness]

😔 atleast you still got a healer ig

[strange scarab]

Remind me, does kirara have almost perfect shield uptime?

[olive isle]

yea

[strange scarab]

Amazon cat goated

[dusty cape]

[shy ore]

Bailu = Qiqi

[dusty cape]

It’s better than Dehya = Himeko

[shy ore]

No, Diluc = Himeko

[dusty cape]

Last time I checked both are pyro standard women

[shy ore]

Himeko = Diluc’s sister

Anyway what do I do with this

[haughty hawk]

eat it

[shy ore]

I can’t eat it, it’s too spicy

[haughty hawk]

[shy ore]

Maybe if I have it with some milk, it’ll be better

[haughty lotus]

@shy ore erm why are you blushing kissing Sigmund

[haughty lotus]

Oh heyyyy, didn’t see you there

[quaint fern]

kafkakisser

[haughty lotus]

9000

[haughty hawk]

heyyy

ur red now

[shy ore]

No idea

[haughty lotus]

Explain.

[shy ore]

I can’t explain it’s 3 AM

[haughty hawk]

nuh uh

[shy ore]

I don’t exist

[haughty hawk]

nuh

[dusty cape]

[haughty hawk]

[neon harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/902085417376051200.webp?size=48&name=susge&quality=lossless

[heavy zealot]

I have a dendro dmg bonus goblet on Alhaitham do yall recommend switching to em or will he be fine? He currently has 602 (plus the dendro resonance)

[strange scarab]

Dendro gob

[lofty linden]

If you have C6 benneth use on him and make him dps

[elder bluff]

he doesn't have any true onfield sword user. xingqiu is the closest one

[native summit]

make it into spicy food

easy

[shy ore]

I have him C6, I’ll try that, I’ll slap diluc’s artifacts on him

[haughty lotus]

Don’t try it, the weapon is ass on him

[feral forge]

nah bro dont do dat aint worth it

[shy ore]

I C6’d Benny already anyway

[feral forge]

i mean dont use black sword on benny

[shy ore]

I’ll use it on Keching when she FINALLY COMES HOME

[lofty linden]

Actually you dont even want C6 benneth if you use him as dps now that i think about it

But oh well make use of the sword passive. or you pair any sword user with characters who can elemental infuse/convert sword.

[umbral sedge]

...

[haughty lotus]

Ballsfw

[dusty cape]

[haughty hawk]

no nitro 😔

[quaint fern]

just like me fr

[haughty lotus]

Hey 🐱

[haughty hawk]

not me

[haughty hawk]

heyyy

nitro for christmas trust

https://tenor.com/view/christmas-1week-until-christmas-christmas-week-meme-airpods-christmas-meme-gif-24202365

[haughty lotus]

It’s more than a week

[dusty cape]

[haughty hawk]

can u believe it!!!!

[haughty lotus]

Sweetheart.

[haughty hawk]

hm?

[haughty lotus]

It is more than a week away.

[haughty hawk]

:3

[haughty hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/merry-christmas-chat-good-morning-chat-just-a-week-away-can-you-believe-it-guys-merry-christmas-discord-gif-27292611

[haughty lotus]

<)
🤲

[haughty hawk]

thank u <):3

[haughty lotus]

Don’t mention it

[haughty hawk]

why not

[haughty lotus]

:idk:

[haughty hawk]

nitro for christmas trust

[neon harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1041511248434561044.webp?size=48&name=prayge&quality=lossless

[haughty hawk]

the day of giving 🤔

[magic spade]

Currently running Ayato/Dendro Traveller/Kuki/Sucrose and looking to replace Sucrose, who would fit into that comp? Bear in mind I have no Kazuha . Replacement doesn't have to fit a similar role to Sucrose or anything, im just looking for options

[neon harness]

xingqiu

[magic spade]

Let's say Xingqiu is theoretically busy on another team

[haughty lotus]

Don’t play hypabloom without nahida :idk:

[neon harness]

fischl

[magic spade]

I am going to continue to play hypabloom, me thinks

[magic spade]

thank you 🙏

[olive isle]

https://tenor.com/view/genshin-impact-furina-memes-gif-10485909089323478517

[noble vale]

Why do I feel I’m bout to give up? Because I still get bad artifacts and still not getting good builds for my team. I know you said I don’t need to rush but this shit takes a while to get right builds and I feel I need to get it done fr.

Looks like I’ll never do abyss until I get the best team with right builds. I’m not professional I’m a noob

[analog rapids]

artifacts are always hard to grind for

[tawny mortar]

If you’re just starting out focus on getting main stats and don’t worry about substats too much

[olive isle]

focus on teams with lesser investments like hyperbloom and transformative reactions. you can also lower your standards for an artifact with desire main stat and one crit stat. don't just depend on artifact with double substats. consider improving your rotations or micro skills in combat too.

and its fine to at least 6-star floor 12. it doesn't hurt to lose 50 primos and

[noble vale]

Focusing on main stats is fine but you’re not gonna get enough crit rate/damage so sub stats should be worried.

If you’re building for Hu Tao

[tawny mortar]

Oh if it’s hu tao yeah

[noble vale]

Exactly but the rest of the team shouldn’t be worried?

Sub stats

[tawny mortar]

Mmm depends on who’s on the team and how invested you are already

[noble vale]

Xingqiu, Sucrose and Bennett

[tawny mortar]

Part of focusing on main stats is just so u can feel some progression and not just stuck in the grind

[left needle]

help

its supposed to look like this ig

[noble vale]

Ok so the meaning of rushing in this game is that you want to get it done ASAP?

[left needle]

y

[neon harness]

what domain are you farming for tao? with ur name im assuming cw?

[haughty hawk]

have u gone below

[noble vale]

Well I am farming on emblem/shimenawa domain and strong box it bc farming on CW domain is ass

But I do need emblem on other characters

I was farming on CW domain

[left needle]

oh ig i was missing the electric thing

the little electric fairy

[neon harness]

ah i see, strong box into vv for now, for sucrose, give sucrose ttds
for xingqiu give him emblem, atk/er sands, hydro gob, crit cir, but for xingqiu, er req before anything
for benny, if you already have it, 4p nobless, or 4p instructor works, just focus on er too
sucrose doesnt need er, just em, and r5 ttds

[noble vale]

Ok strong boxing from CW to VV seems a good start and yes I got those in pics I’ve sent

I haven’t farmed any of nobless artifacts yet so if I’m farming in Emblem domain I should strong box for nobless

I also need to focus on getting A4 for sucrose cuz she’s at A2 and very lol. Ima need to farm anemo boss materials. Finally got bennett to lvl 80

I’m gonna wait till my resins recharges to continue

Looks like I’ll be stuck at bad stats on Hu Tao for a while

[haughty lotus]

Just give her shimenawa :idk:

[noble vale]

@neon harness If I have to get 4p nobless for Bennett but if is 4pc I can’t have 5pc set collection and make sure one artifact is a different set?

[noble vale]

For Tao yeah

[neon harness]

i am not quite sure what ur question means but all of the 5 star artifacts as of rn are 4 sets (4 pieces needed to get the full set bonus), 1 out of the 5 artifact slots can be from a artifact set thats different from the main 4

[pastel zealot]

why arent there any pink nodes around the mud

[noble vale]

Ok is because I was told by some other in here that is not necessary to have 5 pieces and can’t get a bonus so having 4 piece set and one artifact different set is necessary ig

[haughty lotus]

Who told you that

[noble vale]

I don’t quite remember but ima go look

[haughty lotus]

4 piece and 5 piece is the exact same thing

It’s just almost guaranteed you have worse stats on a 5pc

[noble vale]

Here #📌gimshim-help message

[haughty lotus]

[strange scarab]

[noble vale]

It said there’s no reason to go with 5p

[haughty lotus]

And thanks for pointing out that drake got muted

[neon harness]

i wonder what for

[noble vale]

I’ve seen some people showing their enka card and I saw some have 4p set and one artifact is on different set

[haughty lotus]

Was he spamming that venti image 💀

[neon harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1058243022573293588.webp?size=48&name=suss&quality=lossless

[neon harness]

which image

[noble vale]

Ok you said 4p and 5p is the same right?

[haughty lotus]

99% of them have an offset. It’s not that deep just read the 4pc set effect, you can see there is no bonus for 5 pc

[neon harness]

you get the 4p set bonus either way

[haughty lotus]

Let’s see if I can find it with the new discord update

[neon harness]

[noble vale]

Ah I see

[haughty lotus]

#📌gimshim-help message

[haughty hawk]

Freedom…

[neon harness]

lmfao, goofy image tbh

[strange scarab]

How do you even look for certain member's message in this update

[haughty lotus]

😞

[strange scarab]

[olive isle]

[neon harness]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1107862956768764026.png?size=160&name=Sus

[strange scarab]

I regret updating im gonna download the old version one

[noble vale]

This is what I’m reading

[haughty hawk]

light up the branch w the blue symbols

[noble vale]

I have 5pc set of CW rn still says the same

[haughty lotus]

You have to press this goofy button at the top right

[pastel zealot]

i just completed it
thanks

[strange scarab]

Makes me wanna vomit

[neon harness]

venti association army dedge

[haughty lotus]

Fr

[strange scarab]

Glad i didnt buy nitro

[olive isle]

anyways ti-
time to shine, let my name echo in sing

[strange scarab]

Gunbrella time

[haughty lotus]

Let the world come alive.

[haughty hawk]

[olive isle]

✨

[noble vale]

Me trying to understand with 4pc set bonus with 5 artifacts or 4

[haughty lotus]

It’s not deep 💀

[haughty hawk]

what is so difficult to understand

[neon harness]

4p set means 4 artifacts on the same set 😭

[haughty hawk]

4pc is the minimum requirement for the full set bonus

[analog rapids]

its called 4pc set bonus, because you get the bonus at 4pc, not 5,
as in the 5th does nothing

[haughty lotus]

5pc doesn’t exist

[noble vale]

Ok if I add a 5th artifact is still 4pc set but there’s no bonus if I have 5 in same set

[haughty hawk]

huh? adding a 5pc has no effect

theres a 2pc and 4pc bonus, no 5pc

[noble vale]

Yeah it is what I read

[olive isle]

5 pc chicken nuggets

[haughty hawk]

u dont gain an extra bonus for having 5pc

[haughty lotus]

1 big mac

[haughty hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/crunch-cat-luna-eat-gif-3997701764820700221

[analog rapids]

5 will just still be the 4pc bonus,
which is why people say use an offset as the 5th pc, since you probably have a good off piece laying around
instead of using a scuffed 5th piece that is the same set

[noble vale]

Oh I see

But is it necessary to have 5 artifacts of crimson witch for an example?

[haughty hawk]

4pc is enough

[olive isle]

you can have 4pc set and then an off piece

[noble vale]

I see

I just want to get good at this game and not being a noob lmao

[olive isle]

[strange scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/jbballin-justin-bieber-dribbling-justin-balling-gif-3841376854888149700

[olive isle]

practice rotations, know your fundamentals, etc.

[neon harness]

5p to flex on the haters surely

[noble vale]

I want good builds that’s why I need to be familiar with artifact system better

[olive isle]

also learn the character’s kit and synergies

[noble vale]

Right

[strange scarab]

Like taser nilou amirite 🔥

[neon harness]

phys nilou better

[olive isle]

geo ganyu

[noble vale]

So is off piece any good?

[haughty lotus]

Yes, it’s unlikely your best option is also the same as your 4pc set

[noble vale]

Ah

[urban ivy]

What artifact does Kokomi use for Mono hydro?

[rugged sparrow]

monohydro with Yelan/Furina/anemo? OHC is likely your best bet

new arti (Songs of Days Past) also looks interesting

[urban ivy]

What's it passive?

[urban ivy]

What about tenacity?

[rugged sparrow]

2p is 15% healing
4p is an entire thesis Im too lazy to remember

[rugged sparrow]

Furina and Yelan doesn't give a shit about atk% so no

[urban ivy]

Ah ok, so beside mono hydro, Tenacity is bis for support Kokomi with atk scalling dps?

[rugged sparrow]

pretty much yes

OHC is mostly used for on-fielding Kokomi, which she does in monohydro

[rugged sparrow]

2-Piece Set: Healing Bonus +15%. 
4-Piece Set: When the equipping character heals a party member, the Yearning effect will be created for 6s, which records the total amount of healing provided (including overflow healing). When the duration expires, the Yearning effect will be transformed into the "Waves of Days Past" effect: When your active party member hits an opponent with a Normal Attack, Charged Attack, Plunging Attack, Elemental Skill, or Elemental Burst, the DMG dealt will be increased by 8% of the total healing amount recorded by the Yearning effect. The "Waves of Days Past" effect is removed after it has taken effect 5 times or after 10s. A single instance of the Yearning effect can record up to 15,000 healing, and only a single instance can exist at once, but it can record the healing from multiple equipping characters. Equipping characters on standby can still trigger this effect.```

basically converts healing into dmg bonus (like Shenhe's quills and Yun Jin's ult I assume)

[urban ivy]

Any Idea about this for Baizhu or any other healer?

[haughty lotus]

Surprised that didn’t get flagged for spam

[rugged sparrow]

I have no idea about its viability cuz I don't do TC

but c2 Baizhu + this should be omega pog

especially in whaled out Neuv teams

[olive isle]

up to 1.2k dmg bonus yooo

[rugged sparrow]

it's much lower than Shenhe's quills but ig this comes from your healer which doubles as defensive slot

• a lot more universal than Shenhe's ig

[elder bluff]

kokomi e can work as well

[rugged sparrow]

a bit slow on healing isn't it
though I dont have Kokomi to know her fully decked E ticks

if it can hit the 15k threshold (or close to that), that'd be sweet

[strange scarab]

Wow they revealed the set ability already?

[rugged sparrow]

yeh from the preview

[strange scarab]

[rugged sparrow]

already on wiki too

[elder bluff]

official leaks

[copper mist]

It's kinda ass

[rugged sparrow]

it's honestly alright since it applies to everything

[copper mist]

It's marginally better than Clam on some healers for damage

not even all

[strange scarab]

What about the other set what does it do i cant find the preview

[rugged sparrow]

how can u not find it

[olive isle]

they did not log in to twitter/hoyolab

[rugged sparrow]

2-Piece Set: ATK +18%. 
4-Piece Set: After using an Elemental Skill, gain a 20% Geo DMG Bonus for 10s. While under a shield granted by the Crystallize reaction, the above effect will be increased by 150%, and this additional increase disappears 1s after that shield is lost.```

[neon harness]

[rugged sparrow]

literally there

[urban ivy]

Navia bis probably

[rugged sparrow]

probably, who knows

[strange scarab]

Say wat i opened the web page on hoyolab it only shows me the characters

[rugged sparrow]

Vourukasha was meant to be Dehya's bis but we saw how it went

[strange scarab]

Dehya is just ass

[rugged sparrow]

she isn't

[strange scarab]

Kiddin

Mother havent come since her release i need her

[elder bluff]

navia and ningguang set? I can't see other geo using it

[rugged sparrow]

needing crystallize shield is cringe though

but Ningguang is a good mention

[neon harness]

ning national scream1

[elder bluff]

even with this set I can't see navia bring back geo. she can't pull the crystals to herself

[copper mist]

How do you know

[elder bluff]

the live stream doesn't mention anything about her being able to pull the crystals, also show she has to run to collect them

different from Neuvillette showcase

[warped oracle]

Even if Navia is insane it’s not gonna save Geo, that will require far more then one character being good

[rugged sparrow]

what exactly about geo that needs saving anyway

[copper mist]

Everything

[rugged sparrow]

ok

[copper mist]

They have attack scalers, def scalers, hp scalers

[warped oracle]

It’s literally a dead element, if a character has it it provides nothing to their overall kit and team syngery

[rugged sparrow]

hydro have HP scalers and atk scalers, also HB scaler

[copper mist]

No real use besides Zhongli's absurd shield outside geo teams

[warped oracle]

That’s why geo is very rarely seen outside of zhongli

[rugged sparrow]

cryo has atk scaler and hp scaler

[copper mist]

It's piss coloured physical

[warped oracle]

Yunjin and albedo are quite good but tend to get run with zhongli anyway

[rugged sparrow]

Yun Jin
quite good

[copper mist]

YJ has two teams

And only at C6

[rugged sparrow]

that tells me a lot that you have no idea what you're talking about and that's it

[copper mist]

Yoimiya and Ayato hyper

[warped oracle]

?

[rugged sparrow]

no team has YJ as "good" slot

[copper mist]

Albedo is not good, no team besides mono geo wants albedo

[rugged sparrow]

she's always a downgrade to other option

[warped oracle]

Geos overall use in the game shouldn’t be carried by one character

[copper mist]

She is unironically good at C6 in Yoi team tho

[rugged sparrow]

over other options?

[warped oracle]

Geo needs a far more characters with more diversity’s

[ripe robin]

have you considered switching yoi with xiangling? you're welcome .

[copper mist]

Similar to Bennett, and you can use both

[rugged sparrow]

you can just... Furina?

[warped oracle]

And geo it self will either need to be changed or those new character will need to be intentionally overscaled to account for the lack of an element

[copper mist]

Damn so smart

[copper mist]

Furina Yoi teams are kinda cringe

[rugged sparrow]

how so

[copper mist]

She doesn't really have enough hydro to let yoi vape consistently so you gotta do double hydro anyway

But then you need a shielder cuz it's vape

[rugged sparrow]

wot

what team are you running for c6 Yoi

Bennett YJ ZL?

[copper mist]

I am talking in general

[rugged sparrow]

why does it suddenly drift away to general? lol

[copper mist]

Not in my specific case

[rugged sparrow]

then if general why mention YJ in the first place

[copper mist]

I didn't do that tho

I only said YJ has two real viable teams

[rugged sparrow]

yes, then I said Furina

[copper mist]

Not an argument for a good geo

[rugged sparrow]

for the specific c6 case

[copper mist]

Huh I'm confused

[rugged sparrow]

???

[copper mist]

I meant C6 Yun Jin

Not C6 Yoimiya

[rugged sparrow]

oh ew

still just Furina

[copper mist]

Without C6 YJ is not worth running even on those teams imo

[rugged sparrow]

can't u really vape all hits with Furina only? I've seen people doing solo Furina for Yoi

[copper mist]

Maybe for one rotation

[warped oracle]

She’s fine to run, especially as a replacement to bennett if he’s busy in other comps

[copper mist]

But shit has to go wrong once...

[warped oracle]

Like Yoi, Yelan/Xingqiu, YJ and Zhongli is a fine team comp

[copper mist]

And even then what healer do you even put, Jean? Omegalul, Bennett? Ehhh if you also have a shield he will not generate any stacks

[warped oracle]

The major problem isn’t the strength of these teams, it’s the lack of them

[rugged sparrow]

the same applies to any other healer if you run shielder though...

[copper mist]

Yeah that is good but significantly worse than with bennett

[copper mist]

Yeah so Furina is not worth running on Yoimiya teams

It's too much hassle for not much gain

[warped oracle]

Geo realistically has a handful of team comps and most are carried by zhongli, a character who completely defeats the purpose of geo reactions

[rugged sparrow]

I'm still convinced she's still a better slot than whatever YJ gives

[copper mist]

I mean Ig? Cuz Furina also has good dmg herself

[warped oracle]

Geo needs more characters, far more diversity and most importantly it needs to actually be able to use its reaction in teams

[copper mist]

But yeah geo is just an island

[warped oracle]

Navia, will NEVER fix these problems, even if she ends up being a insane dps

[copper mist]

Idk how to fix geo and clearly mhy doesn't either

[warped oracle]

Not releasing a geo character for 2 years didnt help

Why did that default to all caps lol

[rugged sparrow]

don't see why we need every element to react each other

I don't see people malding over dendro not reacting with cryo or anemo but

[warped oracle]

It doesn’t need to, but actually being used would be nice

[warped oracle]

Because you can still use anemo and cyro in comps with dendro lol

[copper mist]

We don't have to ig but geo doesn't just do that it just has no synergy with the other elements at all to the point where none of the units are worth running outside Mono geo except Zhongli and that is just cuz he is a defensive option with a near indestructible shield

[warped oracle]

Fridge exists, and anemo characters can still find use

It’s not just about the fact geo is a useless reaction, it has 3 characters outside of monogeo (zhongli, yunjin and albedo) it’s not hard to see why most players don’t even use it

[rugged sparrow]

ah yes, fridge

[copper mist]

Dendro still reacts with pyro, electro and hydro tho so idk what this comparison is

[rugged sparrow]

so does geo with pyro/electro/cryo/hydro? wot

[copper mist]

Mono dendro teams do not exist

[rugged sparrow]

and anemo with those 4 too

[copper mist]

Idk what you are smoking

[warped oracle]

I think you’re completely missing the point

[rugged sparrow]

and...?

[warped oracle]

Those reactions are actually useful, and the characters are useful

[copper mist]

Mono geo comps are not just... Used because they are good, they're the ONLY good geo teams

[warped oracle]

Yelan would have been great as geo, not as useful but still great

[rugged sparrow]

Idk why you're so fixated on reactions doing something "useful" when we have electro-charged and overload

[copper mist]

Electro charged is extremely useful

[rugged sparrow]

to enable vapeload yes

[warped oracle]

I genuinely don’t know how to word this so you can understand

[opal surge]

Geo yelan

[copper mist]

Not just that

[rugged sparrow]

? why would you use EC in any other scenario

[copper mist]

It's a core part of how (hyperbloom) dendro teams work

[rugged sparrow]

... what?

[warped oracle]

You seem hyper fixated on geos reactions when I’ve said multiple times that’s not it’s only issue

[copper mist]

Yeah we are not saying omg why no vape

The units themselves are more an issue

[neon harness]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/878339709556895744.png?size=160&name=Xiangling Haiya

[copper mist]

And the reaction that does exist is... Garbage

[strange scarab]

[rugged sparrow]

ppl complaining only 3 geo units are useful outside monogeo as if it's not the case for several other elements for quite some time

[copper mist]

We need a reason to use geo units outside of geo teams

[warped oracle]

If hoyoverse want to create an element that doesn’t have reactions that’s fine, but they should actually make characters for it

[ripe robin]

she would have been a yunjin who can kinda do off-field dmg. but nonetheless chars who do off-field damage are good regardless, but she wouldn't be considered as great as she is. lower her like 3 tiers, albedo might have been a better choice over her in geo teams if she was geo, to do off field dmg I would imagine

[rugged sparrow]

why do you need it?

[copper mist]

What other element only has 3 useful units

[copper mist]

For the element to not be lame

And much worse than the other ones

[rugged sparrow]

? hydro on early era literally only has Xq

[warped oracle]

And is it currently 2020v

[copper mist]

Did you get hacked

[rugged sparrow]

"for quite some time"

[copper mist]

I have never seen you spout so much dumb shit ngl

Usually you're reasonable

[warped oracle]

Why are we suddenly talking about 1.0 era, we’re clearly talking about now

[strange scarab]

Navia resurrects geo

[rugged sparrow]

? you're making a big deal out of nothing

that's the point I'm making

[timid dagger]

between her constellations and signature weapon, which would be better to pursue for Raiden Shogun? considering spending a bit after I get her if she's that good

[copper mist]

None of your arguments hold any water

[warped oracle]

Nah, you’re saying some wacky stuff

[rugged sparrow]

neither does yours?

[copper mist]

Ofc one of the elements has to be the worst

[strange scarab]

Cons

[neon harness]

cons, up to c2-3

[copper mist]

And it doesn't really matter that geo is close to useless

But it would be nice if it was more balanced

Nothing more, nothing less

[rugged sparrow]

I still don't see why you'd need geo to react with other elements

[copper mist]

We never said that...

[ripe robin]

if you can get that sweet c2, that would be more than enough

[copper mist]

And also YOU said that it did

So huh

[strange scarab]

make love not war

[rugged sparrow]

[warped oracle]

To fix geo hoyo just needs to make more geo characters, who expand geos usage across the board

A geo equal to Kazuha for example

[copper mist]

What did you mean by this? Do you think we don't know that or what

Yeah they just stopped releasing geo characters

Yun Jin is an interesting buffer and she might find more success in the future

[rugged sparrow]

no one said that apparently

[copper mist]

But then they just... Didn't release anything else

[rugged sparrow]

[copper mist]

They just said that

[rugged sparrow]

? they still said that what

are you backpedalling now

[warped oracle]

Hu?

[rugged sparrow]

most importantly it needs to actually be able to use its reaction in teams wot

[copper mist]

Well saying it needs to be able to use its reaction is not saying it needs a reaction at all

I agree that crystallize should at least be useful

[rugged sparrow]

because it doesn't have to...? that's the entire point...?

[copper mist]

Like idk make it stack and it's already... Slightly less garbage

[warped oracle]

It can be made useful through supports that buff it

[copper mist]

Ok. Why not?

[rugged sparrow]

if your solution is by implementing support that makes the reaction less shitty, it's just a gimmick bandaid fix that's just atrocious from a game design stand point

[warped oracle]

Characters like Navia and Chervuse show us that hoyo is leaning towards making characters use reactions in unique ways

[copper mist]

You like geo being a premium team where you have to have itto with C6 gorou and/or Noelle with gorou (so you have to pull on itto banner anyway) and having no units that you'd ever wanna use besides in those teams

[warped oracle]

Give us a geo shielder that buffs cystalise

[rugged sparrow]

a geo shielder
that buffs crystallize

I sure hope you meant they only use crystallize shield

[ripe robin]

that fact that its only reaction is crystalize is what makes geo so uninteresting to use, they really missed an opportunity when they didn't add a reaction to it when dendro dropped

[warped oracle]

Yeah

[copper mist]

But as I said before I don't know how to fix geo

And neither does hoyo

[timid dagger]

thank you

[copper mist]

Would love to hear your suggestions tho @rugged sparrow

[rugged sparrow]

it really doesn't need "fixing", whatever that entails

[copper mist]

Or your defence of geo as a useful element

Why not

[rugged sparrow]

? you're the one who's so adamant on fixing it though, even though it functions just fine as is

[copper mist]

It being the worst element by far is just fine and you have no argument? Is that it

[warped oracle]

• more characters
• more character diversity (we mostly need supports, Navia shouldn’t have been a dps as she appears to me)
• Characters who can uniquely use geo reactions (Navia is a great step)

[copper mist]

It doesn't function

Tell me how it funtions

[rugged sparrow]

why does it not function?

you literally have 4p AP in base game

[copper mist]

I have heard no argument from your side

[rugged sparrow]

which gains more traction overtime with the introduction of other units

[warped oracle]

Zhongli being most peoples use of geo isn’t healthy

[copper mist]

Petra

Ah yes petra the saviour of geo

[rugged sparrow]

what

are you insinuating that it doesn't

[copper mist]

So just worse anemo? Ok cool

That's amazing

[warped oracle]

You use Petra?

[copper mist]

What an identity

[rugged sparrow]

I mean if you doesn't use Petra (where applicable), how's that my fault

[copper mist]

TIL OXD plays AP zhongli

[warped oracle]

[rugged sparrow]

I don't?

[copper mist]

Oh why not

It's so good you said it

[rugged sparrow]

because I strictly use him on monogeo?

[copper mist]

Oh huh why

[rugged sparrow]

(where applicable)

someone's reading comprehension is not up to their sass skill

[warped oracle]

And where is it applicable?

[copper mist]

Isn't he so good that you could use him anywhere?

[rugged sparrow]

why are we resorting to ad hom now

[copper mist]

Why only mono geo

[rugged sparrow]

why do you play Yoi and have c6?

[copper mist]

I don't only play yoi tho

What is the comparison here

[rugged sparrow]

why are you focusing on what my ZL is using

[warped oracle]

I have no fucking clue what’s happening

[copper mist]

The idea that

Archaic petra makes geo good is

Some massive cope

[rugged sparrow]

?

[copper mist]

?

How many people do I see using archaic petra

How many times have you recommended someone to use it

[rugged sparrow]

just because it's unpopular doesn't mean it's bad, what
people are still sniffing glue with their c0 ZL missing pillar and complain "wah no atk boost"

[copper mist]

sniffing glue

Who are these people

[cedar flint]

navia can probably hold Petra too

[rugged sparrow]

wot

I do it all the time where applicable

[warped oracle]

Geo is the least used element in the game outside of mono geo and Zhongli. It has the lowest amount of characters in the game and is only just about to receive a new character

Geo needs massive support from hoyoverse OBJECTIVELY

[urban ivy]

Is 220 er on Raiden enough?

[copper mist]

Depends

[warped oracle]

Ugh autocorrect

[rugged sparrow]

I am the least used element yes

[sly musk]

I just finished the Mary Ann quest. Had to say goodbye to the dull blade for Holy blade of ordo

[neon harness]

yes, for none-EL weapons

[ripe robin]

200-240 is good enough

[copper mist]

What did they do to the search function

[cedar flint]

if they buff geo every geo dps probably will be broken

[strange scarab]

Use sord of descension

[cedar flint]

and I’m all for it

[slate ingot]

I have Bennett with dull blade because best weapon

[sly musk]

Yuh! my dull blade has descend to Sword of Narzissenkreuz

[cedar flint]

you know traveler used skyward blade once

[warped oracle]

Depends on how they do it, and I think they can save geo without giving direct buffs again

[copper mist]

You have 13 messages about Petra @rugged sparrow amazing screenshot

[rugged sparrow]

in this server alone

[warped oracle]

Cause yeah, I think a lot of people forget this isn’t the first time geos needed a buff…

[rugged sparrow]

1.0 geo was shit yes

[cedar flint]

cus they give every geo huge multipliers so if they buff geo the dmg will be out of this world

[copper mist]

Hoyo royally screwed geo as an element yeah

Makes it extremely hard to do something with it

[warped oracle]

If they buff reactions then tbf itto and noelle wouldn’t be effected

[copper mist]

All I want is geo units you could use on more teams

[cedar flint]

Ye they buffed resonance once which is still great but not enough

[copper mist]

Besides mono geo

[rugged sparrow]

why wouldn't Noelle be affected

[copper mist]

Like Noelle and Furina having synergy, that's neat

[warped oracle]

Like… tripling the strength of cystalise shields could honestly work, but it would be a nuke option

[cedar flint]

seems like navia will fit on more teams

[warped oracle]

This

[cedar flint]

so at least they focus less on mono

[warped oracle]

We need about 3 more characters like Navia and geo is saved

[copper mist]

Like a geo unit being an instant skip is just lame

[rugged sparrow]

that's not the problem with geo though? wot

[warped oracle]

But obviously buffers, subdps, etc

[copper mist]

Whatever I'm kinda done

[cedar flint]

tbf Zhongli and albedo are characters you can use in most teams

[copper mist]

You're just gonna act stupid and your only defence is

[urban ivy]

Which one?

[copper mist]

"uwu petra"

[rugged sparrow]

bro has no argument other than subjective takeaways

[neon harness]

this convo has been going in circlers for so long im suprised oxd hasnt left kekw

[rugged sparrow]

"mimimi" mentality

[copper mist]

I swear oxd was hacked

He is not like this usually

[rugged sparrow]

well can't say the same about you

[neon harness]

first imo

[copper mist]

Subnective takeaways, like uhhh the fact they didnt release a single geo since Yun Jin

[urban ivy]

Why? Better 1:2 ratio?

[copper mist]

Super subjective

[ripe robin]

Well it could be a problem in the sense that they only reaction geo produces is crystalize, otherwise it is just a slightly better physical with yellow numbers

[rugged sparrow]

and that makes geo a "problematic" element how?

[warped oracle]

Tbf I’d argue it’s weaker then physical in some ways

[rugged sparrow]

okay say they don't release hydro until 6.x

[neon harness]

yes pretty much, i dont see any big difference other than the crit ratio

[rugged sparrow]

would that make hydro problematic

[cedar flint]

honestly even if they let us stack crystallize shields geo would be better

[rugged sparrow]

that's a dumb argument

[cedar flint]

but the fact they share durability is dum

[copper mist]

Thats the thing

[neon harness]

82-150 on the first build, 2nd build is 90-140

[copper mist]

That will never happen

Because hydro is not geo

[rugged sparrow]

so you agree that it's a dumb argument

[urban ivy]

Alright thanks, 220 er is enough right?

[copper mist]

No

[neon harness]

yes

[rugged sparrow]

so hydro is problematic if they don't release another new hydro unit in 2 years?

[ripe robin]

not really, phys is dommed. a lot of mobs resist it heavily and the fact that the best phys char is Eula still means it is more dead than geo

[ripe robin]

no, cuz hydro as an element is so broken.

[warped oracle]

True, but the ability to have superconduct is nice

[rugged sparrow]

sure, but that's not what Cake made as their argument

[warped oracle]

Pretty sure OXD is strawmanning us

[rugged sparrow]

like how is this the takeaway for geo being problematic

[ripe robin]

part of the reason it is so broken is the fact that it can react with and enable other elements

[copper mist]

Because surely a lot of people want to pull for geo units because they are oh so useful

[rugged sparrow]

sure I get that

[copper mist]

Or is hoyo embarrassed about geo

Or it's so op the element was already complete?

[rugged sparrow]

dendro awfully quiet after 3.x, surely hoyo is embarassed about dendro

wtf are these takes

[opal surge]

Or is it because sumeru released mostly dendro characters because they had to catch up on the element

[copper mist]

After 3.X (it is currently 4.1)

[warped oracle]

Dendro literally already has more characters then geo

[opal surge]

Cryo almost had no releases since 2,4 bar Layla and wriothsley, who came only 2 patches before navia does now

[rugged sparrow]

4.1?

[ripe robin]

Geo needs a rework, but honestly, in a game like this who cares, there are no high stakes. Mona's c1 is still bugged with freeze, and she has been there since the beginning

[opal surge]

But we also forget that 2,3 was purely geo as well

[rugged sparrow]

surely cryo is a bad element and hoyo is embarassed about it

[ripe robin]

and she's living

[urban ivy]

Did some calculation, first one just edged it out slightly, marginally

[opal surge]

Also, navia is looking like the first geo unit to be able to play with reactions properly, why are we complaining about it now

Because there's only navia? Well they had to start somewhere didn't they

[copper mist]

Cuz that is what geo needs

[rugged sparrow]

no one's complaining about Navia, really

[copper mist]

But oxd is convinced geo is already a ok

[warped oracle]

No one is complaining about Navia

[opal surge]

It is, mono geo is good

[cedar flint]

now they just need to add the option stack crystallize shields imo

[opal surge]

[cedar flint]

so it won’t count as one shield even if you got like 8 shards

[warped oracle]

Mono geo is one team comp, and geo needs multiple

Like every other element in the game

[rugged sparrow]

and why is that?

[warped oracle]

Otherwise it’s really just a dead element

[cedar flint]

I bet navias elemental skill can hit over 100k

[rugged sparrow]

because it makes it "more interesting"? that's what I meant by subjective takeaway

[lyric cargo]

I think mono geo is okay, but pulling your first geo unit is awkward. it's hard to get into

[warped oracle]

And that’s (in my opinion) bad game design

If someone wants to use geo that shouldn’t be limited to ONE team comp

Especially cause it’s 3 5 stars you may not like

And it’s not like those 5 stars rerun often outside of zhongli

[rugged sparrow]

... which is already happening with the introduction of newer units that require shield or benefit from the existence of AP

[cedar flint]

Chiori will save geo trust

if she is geo

[warped oracle]

I’m praying she’s geo too

[rugged sparrow]

no idea if she is

[opal surge]

Chiori looked pyro to me

[cedar flint]

she has the geo vibe ngl

[rugged sparrow]

tf is a geo vibe

[opal surge]

But she kinda also doesn't look playable

[cedar flint]

yunjin

[copper mist]

Yellow

[opal surge]

Low-key

[cedar flint]

and color scheme

[rugged sparrow]

bruhge I'm not stepping into color scheme landmine again

we literally have outliers like YJ/Kaz/Rosaria

[cedar flint]

you say it but usually it’s right

[warped oracle]

Also I hope we finally get more characters who use geo constructs in their kit like zhongli does

[ripe robin]

oh right the girl with an eye patch was announced, did they release their kits yet?

[copper mist]

Rosaria outlier?

[warped oracle]

It’s a whole feature that only zhongli uses when it’s really cool

[rugged sparrow]

Chevreuse kit revolves around overload

[cedar flint]

• navia probably need a better support cus of the different playstyle

[rugged sparrow]

I mean tell me what gives her away as being cryo in her outfit

if it's white = cryo, you're just opening a can of worms

[cedar flint]

you never want to give up on geo resonance either

[warped oracle]

She seems designed to be used without other geos

[copper mist]

...white

[rugged sparrow]

Barbara cryo confirmed

Jean cryo pogo

[cedar flint]

no navia should be used with resonance and than 2 other elements

it’s not worth imo to give up on the best geo part

• more crystallize shards for her

[rugged sparrow]

surely she's pyro with the red dress yupge

[cedar flint]

ye but most designs fit the element

you can’t deny it

[copper mist]

Electro vibe ngl

[rugged sparrow]

am not denying it
am just saying not to generalize it/assume too much

[cedar flint]

still I said if she geo cus that’s just the vibe I didn’t say 100% geo no cap color match

[rugged sparrow]

again, what is this "vibe"

[warped oracle]

True

[copper mist]

Yellow

[rugged sparrow]

how's yellow a vibe

[cedar flint]

I get geo vibes it’s my personal opinion

[copper mist]

Yellow

[rugged sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/lord-of-the-rings-frodo-alright-then-keep-your-secrets-smiling-gif-26462584

[cedar flint]

when you look at a character you can just get a vibe from your personal opinion

[elder bluff]

according to vibe kazuha should be pyro

[copper mist]

But he has anemo vibe

[cedar flint]

he got leaf design but I honestly don’t remember how I felt about him before I Seen the vision

[rugged sparrow]

electro vibe

[cedar flint]

it’s been too long

[copper mist]

Chiori looks like mix of husk/petra

[cedar flint]

peak geo esthetic

[rugged sparrow]

peak hydro design

[cedar flint]

besides in her case you would never see her without the vision

blue eyes

[jolly junco]

bench vibe

[rugged sparrow]

ill bench ur mom

[ripe robin]

how? he looks physical

[cedar flint]

I probably can use yunjin with navia

[rugged sparrow]

looks pyro to me

you can use Yun Jin with anyone
her being good or not is a separate matter

[cedar flint]

well less energy issues with multiple geo

I only wish I had c6 tho for the attack speed

[rugged sparrow]

I only wish I have her c6 cuz I like her sm

the trophy waifu of my acc

[cedar flint]

just gotta wait like 9 more days for navia stay strong me

[elder bluff]

attempt to break your mouse and keyboard with yunjin + gorou machine gun

[cedar flint]

I don’t have the dog

nor do I use a mouse and keyboard

[lyric cargo]

how fast are his NAs compared to Ayato?

[rugged sparrow]

wait you haven't seen the machine gun Gorou vid, Hidden?

[lyric cargo]

I have not

[rugged sparrow]

https://youtu.be/_PIrc00dyB8

[strange scarab]

I always wanted to do this but skill issue

[wary crescent]

i like that it match

[rugged sparrow]

Mist and TPulse aesthetics are... really questionable for their designated chars

[elder bluff]

it also hurts your hands quite a bit in long session

[wary crescent]

im considering pulling for mist but then i saw the other weapon

im like nahh

[lyric cargo]

ic

[jolly junco]

Nilou

[rugged sparrow]

we don't talk about Sumeru series

[strange scarab]

Itll broke my controller before that happen

[cedar flint]

I hope I won’t get a second mist myself lmao I just want the battle axe

[rugged sparrow]

still, nice of them to make both forest and desert aesthetic though

[jolly junco]

SoSS looks okay on Cyno and Beacon looks okay on Dehya though

[rugged sparrow]

am just convinced Nilou got desert aesthetic cuz Haitham stole the forest one

not that either would go with her palette

[wary crescent]

battle axe looks cool but im still considering if i should pull her or nah

[copper mist]

Haitham

[elder bluff]

and now beacon is on the way to be the rarest 5* weapon ever, along with hunters path

[copper mist]

Wish I pulled HP

[rugged sparrow]

now we're just coping for HP re-run whenever

[wary crescent]

i got that hunterpath

[rugged sparrow]

1 year and counting

[wary crescent]

best primogems ive spend to date

[rugged sparrow]

i hope you stub your pinky toe

[copper mist]

I got bacon

[elder bluff]

they should separate standard banner into 5* weapon and 5* character

[jolly junco]

you monster

[wary crescent]

my collei eating good

[rugged sparrow]

who's the monster now @jolly junco

[jolly junco]

[cedar flint]

44 crit rate is wild

[wary crescent]

it really is

[olive isle]

Chances are Yelan is the best among us

[wary crescent]

im not even building her properly and got this ratio

[rugged sparrow]

yes, heavily carried by the weapon
still dogwater build + dogwater weap for her though

[wary crescent]

i only pull for aestethic 🙂

[cedar flint]

you really just need the weapon with a crit rate circlet and the rest is just 40 crit dmg pieces

[olive isle]

let me guess:

1200 atk
1500 def
0 em
100 er

[wary crescent]

[rugged sparrow]

please run Tigh

[cedar flint]

the dream

[wary crescent]

close enough

[olive isle]

find fischl or childe or melt yangu. they hold the bow really well

[wary crescent]

nahhh i have amos for ganyu

[cedar flint]

if I had that bow melt ganyu would do ganyulion dmg

[wary crescent]

im pulling for aestethic only lol

[rugged sparrow]

please tell me you don't have Tigh

[cedar flint]

but she is currently using aqua simulacra

[wary crescent]

true

[olive isle]

melt ganyu has tigh bow as the bis

[rugged sparrow]

good, otherwise it'd be malding twice and over

[olive isle]

unless you’re running freeze

[wary crescent]

let her have her weap man

[cedar flint]

aqua looks better

[wary crescent]

i got dehya tho from standard

its just matter of time before i got tigh

[rugged sparrow]

I'd be more concerned if you have Tigh and use HP on Collei

literally perish

[cedar flint]

my tighnari is c2

[wary crescent]

good idea

[cedar flint]

I pulled him 3 times in a row

[wary crescent]

ill make sure to do that when i got him

my account is so mess up its hard to look at

[elder bluff]

Mine is a mess

[wary crescent]

yours better ngl

[elder bluff]

Cant find a good cryo goblet

[wary crescent]

im just outhere giving 5 star weapon to 4 star character

[cedar flint]

same same

[wary crescent]

melt ganyu ??

crazy

[rugged sparrow]

everyone knows that the true Ganyu usage is 4p Nob Ganyu

[wary crescent]

say less

perf ganyu use this

[rugged sparrow]

but Shime is actually good for meltyu

[cedar flint]

I don’t play melt

[wary crescent]

my stats aint that good for that homeboy

[wary crescent]

imagine this crap going to def

[cedar flint]

if melt ganyu didn’t consist of Bennett and xingling I would’ve played it

and well I don’t have Zhongli either way

[rugged sparrow]

Xiangling is replaceable, but Bennett is just no bueno

just run other shielder?

[wary crescent]

welp mine is C6

[cedar flint]

they don’t exist

[elder bluff]

thoma dehya

[rugged sparrow]

guess Navia just doesn't exist

[cedar flint]

laylas skill is too short

[rugged sparrow]

cuz she's just another DPS

[small blade]

c6 benny doesn't affect ganyu

[rugged sparrow]

then use it last?

[cedar flint]

she doesn’t even create shields

[rugged sparrow]

no I'm making the same dumb comparison as you did

[cedar flint]

besides crystallize

[wary crescent]

my thoma is green tho

[cedar flint]

who would you replace xiangling with

[rugged sparrow]

Layla shield literally syncs with Bennett's buff

at which point you stop CA-ing with Ganyu anyway

[cedar flint]

fine I don’t mind using my c6 Layla

but I don’t really want to build xiangling

[rugged sparrow]

Nahida, not too sure about Kaz but he's there

[wary crescent]

im truly is only pulling for aesthetic lol

[cedar flint]

nahida is already used with yae and kazuha doesn’t exist on my acc

[rugged sparrow]

welp time to build XL then

[cedar flint]

yk this weapon can probably work well on navia

[wary crescent]

prob

maybe i should pull her

[cedar flint]

cus she scales on attack and if she doesn’t idk why they made the new geo set

[wary crescent]

its hoyo we're talking about

nothing makes sense

[cedar flint]

nah they don’t make sense but no way they make a crystallize set for navia and give it atk 2 piece when she scales of def

[rugged sparrow]

I mean 4p VV gives anemo% so

[wary crescent]

see

nothing impossible

[rugged sparrow]

whilst the supports who generally use the set don't care about the anemo%

[cedar flint]

well at least it makes sense element wise

if she scales of def it won’t make sense at all

[wary crescent]

remember trial character always use noblese ?

that always doesnt make sense lol

[rugged sparrow]

I mean the only true def scaling char we have are what, YJ and Albedo?

[cedar flint]

and at the time that was the only anemo 2 piece dps anemo could use so

[cedar flint]

c6 noelle and well itto benefits a lot of it

[wary crescent]

c6 noele

[rugged sparrow]

they're not def scaling, they convert DEF into ATK

[cedar flint]

that’s why dogo buffs def

[rugged sparrow]

if Navia does DEF into ATK conversion then the atk% isn't so bad

[cedar flint]

which basically mean def scaling

[rugged sparrow]

it's not

[cedar flint]

cus it’s better to build def

[rugged sparrow]

and their talents still use atk as damage so

[cedar flint]

they just later convert it to atk

[wary crescent]

aesthetic wise that stone works on navia

[rugged sparrow]

... which is what I'm saying

[cedar flint]

but they still need def

[sour birch]

for the purposes of building, it means it's more efficient to build for defense. for the purposes of buffs and the like, it means atk is useful.

[rugged sparrow]

saying they're DEF scaling would mean they don't benefit from Bennett, which isn't true in the slightest

[cedar flint]

but it’s just a handicap if the set would give atk

[copper mist]

Bro i stg oxd is on a wilful ignorance rampage today

[rugged sparrow]

?

[sour birch]

oxd right tho

[copper mist]

Yes duh

[rugged sparrow]

[cedar flint]

all I’m saying it would be dum still to give the new set atk% 2 piece if she doesn’t scale on atk and doenst do def to atk conversation

[sour birch]

well they're both kinda right it's just oxd is parsing words a lil bit

[copper mist]

But their talent for def into atk scales of def so technically they scale off def anyway

[copper mist]

Exactly

[sour birch]

an example of this with HP is that hu tao is not an hp scaler, she converts HP to ATK and scales off atk. this means bennett is useful. yelan is a true HP scaler, meaning all her multipliers are directly based on HP and bennett is useless with her.

[cedar flint]

my point is 2 piece atk would be dum if she converts def to atk

[sour birch]

that is the distinction OXD is trying to make (correct me if im wrong)

[rugged sparrow]

I mean, she still benefits from it

• opens up possibility of other units using it