📌gimshim-help

[elfin tusk]

As someone with wavebreaker on xiangling, please do scarlet sands

[north stump]

Why?

Do you have R5 Wavebreaker?

[haughty lotus]

(they dont)

scarlet sands

her best set

[elfin tusk]

Alr

[elfin tusk]

No crit, at all

Passive is useless if you're just doing 4k every hit

[haughty lotus]

what...

its a very competitive option lol
not that far behind at r5

[north stump]

Scarlet Sands gives atk which is diluted by Bennett?

[elfin tusk]

Oh I guess my xiangling just has shit artifacts then

I'll have to farm emblem for her lol

[north stump]

WB on RN gives like 75% burst damage

Why is Scarlet Sands better?

Even if you have like 400 EM can the attack increase overcome the 75 burst increase??

[haughty lotus]

theres also the 44 crit rate

[north stump]

Should you use EM sands with that?

[haughty lotus]

likely ER

[neon harness]

On kqm, for overvape+ Benny, r5 wave breaker is worse than catch

Yea, but it also just depends on team it seems

In vv vape wave breaker surpassed homa@but not soss

In sucrose overvape, wave breaker is way better than soss

[haughty lotus]

🤪

what even is sucrose overvape

[bronze vapor]

im streaming rn if u wanna look

[haughty lotus]

cant rn

[neon harness]

let’s not worry about that

[haughty lotus]

like actually what would it be 💀

sucrose fischl xingqiu xiangling

ig its sukokumon but why would they do a ranking just for that

[bronze vapor]

https://akasha.cv/profile/652401201 if u wanna look at my sucrose taser

what weapoj is best in sucrose taser

[haughty lotus]

fischl needs an attack sands, vhunt is pretty mid on her, get her skill to at least 8
give beidou an attack sands, burst needs to be at least lvl 8
give sucrose sac frags, lvl 90 her
xingqiu's crit and attack is pretty terrible

level 90 all weapons

[bronze vapor]

bro i cant get high crit on xingqiu

[bronze vapor]

im running it for the crit ratio

[lyric cargo]

takes months of strongboxing or farming to get good artifacts :[

[bronze vapor]

because i was told i needed that if not i wont use it

[haughty lotus]

your builds for taser are pretty bad and I dont think its even your best option in the first place

[bronze vapor]

what is my best option than

im trying everything

i dont have nahida so dont mention dendro unless dendro traveler works

[haughty lotus]

Freeze or something with double hydro first half, second half bring an electro

[bronze vapor]

why would i bring electro second half

i thought u said my freeze is bad

[haughty lotus]

Chamber 1 is a lot easier with an electro, even easier with a dendro but just electro is fine. Your ayaka build is not bad

[bronze vapor]

oh ok

[rare iron]

ooo

im free

[bronze vapor]

what team do u reccommend should i bring the tiny cat bard

[rare iron]

u strimming>

[bronze vapor]

yes

[rare iron]

can i see ur stats

[bronze vapor]

https://akasha.cv/profile/652401201

[stark escarp]

If I focus my artifacts on hp and crit dmg is this weapon better than prototype?

[rare iron]

why not ayaka 1st hutao second

[bronze vapor]

i can but which ayaka team

[rare iron]

dose ur furina have a hp goblet

can u find a better one

at c0 hp is similar to hydro

why is there so much gt and mh

ahh u didnt lvl

hp with crit stats

ideally

ok nvm then

can u open char list

so i can see what u have again

do u have layla

or diona lvled

[bronze vapor]

who

[rare iron]

open list

ok u have a diona

[bronze vapor]

i have her but i never needed to use her

[lyric cargo]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/17xM-BrXcqybDFGWE6pLpLCiV4oXRrpuenn3HSaSEqEI/htmlview
Cashflow 103%
p-amber 100%

[rare iron]

nvm

ayaka furina jean rosa/ganyu then
hutao xq yelan zhong

wait is this chamber 3

or u havent cleared anything

[bronze vapor]

im 35 stars on abyss

[rare iron]

1 from what

c3?

fav lance

is ok her artis dont matter too much

just need nob set, er

r5 it

r 5 another lance later

[bronze vapor]

c5

[rare iron]

i meant like

1 star missing from cyhamber 3>?

or chamber 1, 2

of f12

[bronze vapor]

yes

[rare iron]

ok so 3

id try it

[rare iron]

.

c3 grouping tips move to left of lector so the other floats towards u

[bronze vapor]

does furina even apply hydro fast enough for a freeze team

[rare iron]

dont matter on c3

[bronze vapor]

why wouldnt i use xingqiu

[rare iron]

u can swap them around

[bronze vapor]

like does she help anymore than xingqiu or no

[rare iron]

hes staple for hutao

but its fine u can use him for ayak instead

as long as its enough hydro to take down shields

i gtg tho

[jolly junco]

bye Jen

[thorn musk]

with Freminet, is it ok to do lvl2 shattering pressure if it means having 0 cooldown? like skill, n1, skill, n1, skill, n1, skill, etc. Could that be better than just waiting for lvl4 and having a cooldown? basically wondering if more actions over shorter time can mean more total dps even though the multiplier is lower?

[bronze vapor]

same for futrina rn

[jolly junco]

For Physical Freminet?

[bronze vapor]

but ok

[rare iron]

not rly

[thorn musk]

for hybrid

[jolly junco]

It's generally better to pick a Phys or Cryo playstyle, since you also need to build your teams and gear around that

[thorn musk]

i have 2 teams for him already, one is pure physical dmg, but i like the one where he has no cooldown better. i'm just wondering at which point will higher APM net more dmg than just straight up higher multipliers?

[native summit]

spamming frem's skill is pretty damn fun

[thorn musk]

i prefer to skill>n1>skill>n1, but yeah it is

[jolly junco]

Physical rotation: E Q N2 E 3[N1 E N2 (E or NA)]
Cryo rotation: E E Q 4[E E (N1 or N2)]
For some hybrid stuff idk

[native summit]

only bad thing is the fact that the damage is shit

[thorn musk]

that's what i'm asking about though. like at which point faster actions over less time will give you more than just straight up higher multipliers?

[bronze vapor]

if im gonna run a freeze team does my ganyu high er because she has 110 rn

[jolly junco]

Check the energy recharge calculator pinned here, depends on the team

[tranquil hill]

how do i turn on dlss in genshin?

[small torrent]

is This build ok? :3

[small torrent]

2p VV and 2p Shimenawa

[jolly junco]

The Crit Rate is a bit low, the ER could be too low depending on your team/clear times.
In general you have a lot of bad substats on your artifacts (could be improved basically)

[small torrent]

HOW MUCH MORE CR DO YOU WANT!

[jolly junco]

Well 1:2 Ratio is the best average damage for crit value invested until you are at 100% CR of course

that doesn't mean you should force it but you could do with higher CR

[small torrent]

what bout substats

what do i need to improve on subs

[jolly junco]

The good substats are Crit stats, ATK% and ER% (until you have enough). your pieces just lack a lot of good substat rolls

[small torrent]

ER only right?

[small torrent]

oh

i mean im happy with my attack and crit stats tbh

[jolly junco]

Your build has 21 good substats in total

[small torrent]

ty for the advice tho

[jolly junco]

Good builds can have 30+

[small torrent]

u really counted 🗿

[jolly junco]

Yes

[small torrent]

well it’s alaways nice to learn something new. Thanks for the advice G

[jolly junco]

Yw

[north stump]

Is this true: If you’re using C6 Furina it’s better to stay in Ousia mode since you can better stack her burst this way.

[ruby mist]

[lyric cargo]

ousia mode c6 is your healer for the team

so the restriction of needing one with her is gone

[north stump]

I’m playing Furina by herself in the overworld, and I’m asking about her damage

[north stump]

I agree

[lyric cargo]

in theory you can do some combination. I'm not sure how it plays out

[thorn bridge]

Hi

[lyric cargo]

oh, overworld.. I guess either mode will work

[north stump]

Using her against the local legends

[lyric cargo]

you can go pneuma and probably oneshot all enemies in overworld

[north stump]

Not ninianne and Vivianne though

[lyric cargo]

some local legends are immune to hydro, right? so no chance against those I think

[north stump]

I know that’s why I’m not fighting Ninianne and Vivianne with her

Don’t know if she canonically fought one of the two

[rugged axle]

If I run a team of Ayato, Dendro MC, and Kuki, what should the final slot be?

[pastel osprey]

give to furina?

[quaint fern]

Only if you don't need any energy

[jolly junco]

Nahida

[lyric cargo]

https://tinyurl.com/GenshinBuilds
Fishing Sword (fleuve)

[quaint fern]

Like super low er req like 130, otherwise pipe should better

[umbral belfry]

I fucking hate this boss

[jolly junco]

Light of Foliar Incision

[haughty lotus]

nice double hydro

[umbral belfry]

clearly furina is a healer

[haughty lotus]

surely

[neon harness]

Surely

Memey sus

[haughty lotus]

who

[neon harness]

Tao

[pastel osprey]

nod

[jolly junco]

Even at 200 ER req, Lofi pulls ahead of pipe

[spring gorge]

Is this a good Benny piece?

[haughty lotus]

as long as you get 4pc noblesse

[spring gorge]

Alright ty

[kindred garnet]

is it possible to change what the buttons in the game show as when you’re using the controller?
i got a new controller and it’s showing playstation’s shape buttons instead of letters 😭

[olive isle]

yeap

[zealous sleet]

I think I might've asked this before, but when using the optimizer do I need to put in all my characters in my party and all their stats and the move's they're using in the rotation?

[last umbra]

Is furina c2 better than kokomi + shenhe in an ayaka team

[olive isle]

what’s your full team

[zealous sleet]

Gotcha ty

Still trying to figure the optimizer out

Manually inputting everything on my computer when I play on mobile is something else lol

[last umbra]

Like ayaka furina charlotte venti

[olive isle]

it does work, but the hydro is not aoe application unless you infuse hydro on venti’s vortex and worry not about ayaka’s burst uptime

[lyric cargo]

I thought some of the pets applied hydro in AoE

though I can't say how large that area would be

[kindred garnet]

where at?

[reef comet]

Input artifacts, weapons, talents, team buff, and for the optimization section, choose avarage dmg, input multi optimization target if the attacks of the character is complex enough

[kindred garnet]

omg idk what i did but it’s fixed now and all the controls work as usual 🎉

ah nvm it only works like that if its plugged in 🥲

[haughty hawk]

[zealous sleet]

If he's buffed by Furina it should automatically put it in? I wouldn't need to put it in the multi optimization target thing?

[reef comet]

Check the team buff section

[zealous sleet]

I'm trying to figure out my Nuev's max damage

Also, will it take all unequipped artifacts into consideration when showing me the 5 builds?

[reef comet]

A normal nuev should probably do 1x Q 1x E 1x E 8x CA 8x CA 8x CA for a normal rotation for single target, i'm not sure about the furina team but that's it

[reef comet]

It will, it can also do 5 random pieces if your 5 pieces of 1 set is bad enough

[zealous sleet]

Gotcha!

Why use avg damage instead of crit hit dmg?

[reef comet]

Because average = crit + non crit hit, which is the best to assume because it's not like you're going to crit all the time

[zealous sleet]

Don't you crit all the time with a 100% crit rate?

[reef comet]

Which will also take into consideration of the average dmg

[zealous sleet]

Gotcha

I'm kind of surprised the hydro damage bonus goblet is doing more for me than the HP goblet with all of Furina's buffs

Does anyone know what the ER for Furina and Nuev should be when both on the same team?

[reef comet]

It's time to learn erc

[zealous sleet]

Erc?

[reef comet]

Pins, energy recharge calculator

[zealous sleet]

Oh god lol

How am I supposed to know my rotation length lol

I hate this thing hahaha

[quaint fern]

normally you can just leave it at 20

unless your rotations are pretty long like 30 sec

then the can just estimate the field time %

[zealous sleet]

Yeah Nuev is on field majority of the time by far

This look about right? Do I have to touch anything else?

[neon harness]

are you using fav on anyone?

[zealous sleet]

Yeah, Jean

[neon harness]

add 1 to fav proc under jean

[quaint fern]

line 28

well it doesn't really matter to who you add it to I guess

[neon harness]

also why is zhongli using 2 skills?

[zealous sleet]

Added it

[quaint fern]

just add one

[zealous sleet]

I changed that haha

[neon harness]

same for furina

[zealous sleet]

I noticed it after

[quaint fern]

best you select zhongli miss pillar

[quaint fern]

okay 85 is probably a bit much for neuvi

I'd probably just allocate 70-80%

but that should only change ER requirements by a smidgon

under zhongli, change press to miss pillar

[zealous sleet]

You think? I mean the other are on field for literally like 3 seconds

[quaint fern]

just give neuvi 80

I'd be more conservative about the time allocation

no way it's three seconds

you're spending at least two sec on furina

[zealous sleet]

Gotcha gotcha

[quaint fern]

then jean has her burst animation + zhongli hold e

[zealous sleet]

I did 80 Nuev 10 Furina

It isn't changing much at all tho

[quaint fern]

yeah exactly what I said, it wont change too much

[zealous sleet]

I was hoping Nuev wouldn't need as much ER...

[quaint fern]

but what will change a lot is your zhongli

you should either use hold pillar or miss pillar

miss pillar is better for worst case

[zealous sleet]

I usually always do hold pillar

[quaint fern]

miss pillar: that basically assumes that zhongli generates no energy

[zealous sleet]

ahhh

[quaint fern]

because some bosses can break the pillar

[zealous sleet]

Let's go with miss then

[quaint fern]

so swap as needed, usually hold pillar is fine but it's less work to just run a scenario where you have less energy (so you don't need to swap artifacts)

[zealous sleet]

I was told I need better artifacts for my Nuev but I don't know if I could get the same ER if I do

And I'm already at threshold

[quaint fern]

you probably have wasted substats/low rolls

[zealous sleet]

Yeah I know my sands and Circlet for sure do

[neon harness]

you can use fav on zhongli to lower team er req

[quaint fern]

^

I dont even have a black tassel leveled

[neon harness]

scream1

[zealous sleet]

Hahaha I have black tassel on

[quaint fern]

goblet could also use some work

it's... just okay for an off piece

[zealous sleet]

Yeah I don't have any better hydro damage bonus pieces unfortunately

And it still does better damage then my HP goblet

If it had ER it would be perfectly fine since sacrificial jade already bring me to 100% CR

Could use a better sands on Furina and lower her ER to get better CD/CR

But I was also told she doesn't need more then 50 CR?

[quaint fern]

you have optimizer right?

[zealous sleet]

Yeah

[neon harness]

furina still wants a balanced crit ratio

1:2

[quaint fern]

see minimum build constraints?

set an ER target based on ERC and optimize for sac jade

then calculate a new ER req with r5 proto amber

then change the minimum ER and optimize

see which one gives you higher damage/rotation

[zealous sleet]

Wow I don't have prototype amber hahaha

[quaint fern]

you can craft it

[quaint fern]

under neuvi you can add 18 into row 29 for proto amber

[zealous sleet]

Against your judgement I'll probably stick with sacrificial jade simply because I wouldn't have nearly enough CR and would have to almost completely refarm and lose CD

[quaint fern]

bro you have optimizer

just check what it says lol

its not like I'm telling you to test manually in game

[zealous sleet]

Well, I also just started to use optimizer and I play mobile so doing it is awful and I only really have already equipped artifacts + a few I had built up

I'd have to spend hours inputting a bunch of artifacts

[quaint fern]

up to you then ¯_(ツ)_/¯

the point of optimizer is to put everything in though

*everything that is relevant

[zealous sleet]

Plus it would just be me inputting a ton of lvl 0 artifacts

[quaint fern]

why would you even put in lvl 0

don't put in LITERALLY everything

[blissful robin]

How many resins minimum to up an ability from 1-10?

[zealous sleet]

I input the only other Mar/Golden artifacts I had leveled up so far

For what it's worth

[strange scarab]

Around 820 resins
Use this site
https://genshin-center.com/planner

[fallow yoke]

should i raise yaoyao or collei

[fluid forge]

yaoyao

[neon harness]

sure if you like them/have teams for them

[strange scarab]

Why it sounds like you're trying to adopt one of them

[fallow yoke]

i need a dendro ppl

i think i will raise yaoyao bcs my dendro aether is crowned

[sturdy swallow]

1.2% cr overcap, unacceptable

[quaint fern]

😔

[strange scarab]

Unplayable

[quaint fern]

Would you like to donate a 40 CD piece ????

[sturdy swallow]

the highest cd i have is like 20ish

i cant overcap on anything because i dont have enough of anything

[strange scarab]

I only have 37 cd on raidens feather

[pulsar zinc]

r1 stringless or r1 skyward harp for fischl?

[neon harness]

skyward

stringless r5 can be better on fishl than skyward harp in aggravate teams
on par in non agg teams

[pulsar zinc]

i guess the cr and cdmg is better than 24% dmg boost

[quaint fern]

high base attack

[dusty cape]

[reef comet]

purplepikmindeeznut

[quaint fern]

heyyyyyyyyyy

[dusty cape]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1101635606121021602/1178458129994879048/balls.gif?ex=657637a8&is=6563c2a8&hm=c4c7d7ce66b65abb4754868dbae4a41df75af1619e68082075171d6a06ab05a7&

[umbral belfry]

does he know

[earnest canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-does-he-know-gif-26833694

[lilac hollow]

[reef comet]

Smash

[steady shuttle]

I have c2 raiden. Is it worth pulling for Sara cons assuming she is up soon? I am still stuck on c4 Sara. I usually play rational

[dusty cape]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-gengar-gengar-pokemon-hug-ghost-hug-gif-24244958

[round glen]

Yes and then try dps sara on one side and raiden on the other side

[elder bluff]

dps sara

[sick quarry]

Someone explain this for me pls, i though Ayato doesnt need hp substats?

[haughty lotus]

he has a small hp scaling, its not worth building hp for it tho

[strange scarab]

Have you tried looking at his scalings

[haughty lotus]

mainly since its not that big and it doesnt do anything for his burst damage

[sick quarry]

Ah, okay, tyty

[round glen]

I think Childe and Mona are some of the only like hydro characters that don't scale with Hp at all. But Ayato just gets a really small amount of his damage from hp. You can ignore it but this just means Jade cutter is specifically nice on him since he double dips on the hp% scaling and that getting hp% subs on his pieces arent completely useless like def or hp% on other dps characters that scale with attack

[sick quarry]

Ty for the explanation, i was rlly confused for a moment haha

[umbral sedge]

Honeys wake up, an impressive abyss clear just dropped
https://youtu.be/jF5gspItH7o

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1073996244491436113/1104971813710217266/0840BE99-C3DF-4029-A43A-F23F202028FC.gif

[rotund saddle]

trying to start genshin up but after the door opens i get stuck on a white screen happens on both pc and ps any solutions ?

[reef comet]

https://discord.com/channels/522681957373575168/676653691675082752

[noble vale]

Hey what can I do now after using 160 resins to farm artifacts domain 4 times? Not sure what to do if I don’t have any and waiting till it recharges.

[dusty cape]

Close the game or exploration ig

Finish event do commissions

[noble vale]

I’ve done that after and went straight to persona 5

[noble vale]

I’ve already done it hours ago since the reset schedule lol

I have a feeling that I do need more than 160 resins tbh

[sturdy swallow]

the end goal of genshin is to stop playing and touch grass

[noble vale]

Yeah going outside is optional

Or play something else like star rail

I have unfinished hang out quests

[slate ingot]

Is raiden,kazuha,kokomi and dendro traveler any good? (Finally tryna get sorta into game lol, I pulled for character then just left game without building any so yay)

[sturdy swallow]

i would replace kazuha for another dendro/electro/hydro character for quickbloom or hyperbloom but im a dumbass so you should probably wait for advice from someone more knowledgable than me

[haughty lotus]

send a screenshot of your character list

[slate ingot]

Alright it’s a mess tho fair warning 😂

[haughty lotus]

[sturdy swallow]

watch it be 10 lvl 20 limited 5*s

[haughty hawk]

[haughty lotus]

Calm down

[haughty hawk]

hai

[haughty lotus]

Heyy

[haughty hawk]

///<

[reef comet]

who

[haughty hawk]

tao

[rancid slate]

can alhaitham compete with characters like hu tao and ayaka in terms of dps

[earnest canyon]

W

[reef comet]

totally

[rancid slate]

could you elaborate

[reef comet]

no, they're dpses, there's nothing to debate about

[rugged sparrow]

wdym elaborate though

all 5-star on-fielder DPS generally have the same amount of DPS range with their best teams (50-60k DPS)
with constellations it gets wacky though

the only thing that sets them apart is usually aoe capabilities

[strange scarab]

Compared to Navia,

[olive isle]

Displaying her mastery over both light umbrella and rocks, Navia sends a Geonado whirling around her.

[ashen trench]

Would kazu, ayato, kaeya and benny/kuki make a good team?

[haughty lotus]

ayato kazuha bennett fischl/xiangling

[ashen trench]

ohh yay thats the team im using rn

Ahh i wanna incorporate kaeya somehow

[umbral sedge]

Soup

[haughty lotus]

you could do ayato kaeya kazuha + cryo flex, but its kinda cope

[olive isle]

you can do it with an all new abyss team, kaeya, dainslef, skirk, childe

[haughty lotus]

[sturdy swallow]

[haughty hawk]

[reef comet]

[haughty lotus]

happy 's birthday everyone

[sturdy swallow]

happy day everyone i hope you have a nice

[umbral sedge]

HD

[lean hound]

How's my Yoimiya rn?

She lookin ok?

[neon harness]

what team

[haughty lotus]

yomia

low EM

[neon harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1137448469431320618.webp?size=48&name=yomia&quality=lossless

[lean hound]

how much em should I gun for?

[neon harness]

vaporise team? atleast an em sands ig

[sturdy swallow]

i need a balls hd emoji

[neon harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1120779601896034585.webp?size=48&name=sillyballs&quality=lossless

[sturdy swallow]

okay uhhhh how do i save that

[haughty lotus]

[sturdy swallow]

ty

[haughty lotus]

sillyballs*

[sturdy swallow]

thats a better name

[haughty lotus]

[sturdy swallow]

why do you have so many balls emojis anyways

[haughty lotus]

power

PMA

[neon harness]

raiden

[reef comet]

scara because fake dmg for showcase

[strange scarab]

Ninianne of the lake

[fluid forge]

new event

[olive isle]

magu kenki

[fluid forge]

oceanid

hydro hypostasis

[craggy siren]

what achievement? the highest dmg one?

try the pyro cube

you can vape with that

bennett wouldn't help neuvi

maybe you can use mona instead

for the dmg buff from her burst

do you have raiden?

[neon harness]

what server? i have c3 mona

[pulsar zinc]

uhh asia

[neon harness]

😭 im not whele i just have bad luck

[neon harness]

😔 F im on na

[rugged sparrow]

Scara boss is already the best u can do for dmg showcase though

[swift crown]

wait

what event?? im on asia and i don't see anything

[pulsar zinc]

uff

[slender kite]

how do I get this door open

[craggy siren]

get a battery thingy

[pulsar zinc]

yea i think so, just wondering if theres domain/option thats better

[pulsar zinc]

isnt this one u need to collect 7 ore thingy?

[slender kite]

I dont know anything about that

[elder bluff]

collect them and go back

[daring beacon]

is ayato or nuevillete better

[pulsar zinc]

https://youtu.be/rQMw8_rGRV8?si=LaUMrgXAqYzCC-Ws think its this one

[haughty lotus]

Neuvillette most of the time

[craggy siren]

oh it's that one

[rugged sparrow]

different usages

[craggy siren]

yeah collect the 7 mysterious ores then create an arkhe key thingy

[slender kite]

oh I have 5 of those already thanks <33

[winter shuttle]

this worth keeping/leveling?

[neon harness]

keep it

[rugged sparrow]

fail to see who'd use it tho

[haughty lotus]

[neon harness]

jean, cus cr

with fav

[rugged sparrow]

rather get atk% and ER subs too

cr only is effectively 2 rolls

[neon harness]

[daring beacon]

is ayako or neuvillete better with yae

[haughty lotus]

yae is pretty bad with neuvillette, you can play ayato taser with her but eh

[rugged sparrow]

you really don't want Yae on either teams, preferably

[lyric cargo]

Yae mostly sees play in aggravate or quicken teams

she needs a fair bit of field time, so she works best with units that have time for it in their rotation (Tighnari), or that gain something from an electro unit being on-field (Fischl)

[spare garden]

How to solve this puzzle

[neon harness]

mirror the walls

[spare garden]

I don't get it

[neon harness]

on the wall across from the puzzle

shoot at it to either fill it with sand or let the sand out

[spare garden]

Yea,on other side
There's no sand dispenser

I can't shoot anything
There are just 5 of that cup

[neon harness]

did you shoot at this part?

[spare garden]

Yes, I did

Wait,am I supposed to copy the side that didn't have dispenser?

[haughty lotus]

Yes

[elder bluff]

*mirror

[neon harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1002223820486230016.webp?size=48&name=FiaDed&quality=lossless

[spare garden]

I got it,ty

[neon harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/888149164989481041.webp?size=48&name=yaeupsidedown&quality=lossless

[haughty lotus]

Smash

[neon harness]

smh

[reef comet]

sussy meme as always

[north stump]

For Neuvilette is Hydro DMG Bonus equal to HP goblet?

[neon harness]

only when using sig, amd maybe with furina but not 100% sure about taht

[reef comet]

with sig, hydro is still better, but depends on team ig

[spiral mantle]

How to improve my yun jin build?

[copper mist]

That crit rate is incredibly low for Fav

And your ER is also incredibly low

[spiral mantle]

alr

[copper mist]

And your burst talent level is low too

[spiral mantle]

ik

So do i just replace everything

[copper mist]

Yun Jin needs a lot of ER

I assume this is for Yoimiya team?

[spiral mantle]

Yes

yelan has 250 er

[copper mist]

Well... If you are ok with resetting everytime you don't proc fav Ig you can go for this circlet, I personally use crit rate circlet to get her crit rate to ~50%

But ER sands is kind of a must tho

[spiral mantle]

I see thanks

[copper mist]

Why so high? Is this fav bow + er sands?

[spiral mantle]

yea

someone said she needed 250 bcs only hydro

[copper mist]

You can probably get away with HP sands then if you have good ER rolls everywhere else

You have two favs on the team

[shadow arrow]

wth

[copper mist]

Use the ER calculator

[shadow arrow]

no mono hydro needs way ower than double hydro lol

unless you mean SOLO hydro

[copper mist]

They mean that yeah

[shadow arrow]

well that make sense

mono hydro is like

kokomi yelan furina kazuha

[copper mist]

They said only hydro not mono

[shadow arrow]

basically no reaction team

[copper mist]

I mean I didn't misunderstand them

[shadow arrow]

edited

[spiral mantle]

yoimiya yun jin yelan bennett

[shadow arrow]

yeah i didnt see that

[copper mist]

No shielder vape yoi?

Oh dear

[spiral mantle]

Dont have zl and dont have layla built

[shadow arrow]

xingqiu beidou but like idk

thoma

[copper mist]

If you would use Thoma swap to Xinqiu over Yelan

[shadow arrow]

cuz stealing vape?

[copper mist]

That and Thoma shield is helped by XQ dmg reduction

[shadow arrow]

honestly idk if he would be enough to steal all vape cuz yoi doesnt apply that much pyro to begin with

[copper mist]

Yelan C0 Hydro app not enough for Yoi + Thoma I don't think

[shadow arrow]

yeah i never try it to know that

[shadow arrow]

honesty xq is more important on shielderless because of this

[copper mist]

That too I would swap to XQ too even if you don't use a shield in that team

[shadow arrow]

i'd say using thoma is gonna make yoi less reliant on xq instead

but then xq is too good to begin with lol

[copper mist]

It should be but stealing vapes is lol

Like even if Yelan is technically enough

Only one funny thing has to happen for it to stop being enough like idk a wave missing cuz enemy dies or whatever

And I don't think it's even enough if everything goes right

But not sure

[spiral mantle]

oh my yelan ranked lower rn

[copper mist]

That might be because you got put into another category

with lower ER

Why is she 80/80

[spiral mantle]

allocated resources on furina

for reference previous

[copper mist]

But yeah I'd check ER calc if this is enough ER for your team

I'm not entirely sure if it is yeah

[shadow arrow]

yeah it says 240 er category

[shadow arrow]

this one says 190

[spiral mantle]

Ohhh

so which is better

[copper mist]

Check ER calc

[spiral mantle]

idk how smh

[copper mist]

Okay

[shadow arrow]

what's the team again?

[unkempt river]

What's your team?

[spiral mantle]

Yelan yun jin bennett yoimiya

[copper mist]

Which is not the team you should be going for keep in mind

[shadow arrow]

can you do 2E yelan per rotation by anychance?

[copper mist]

Vape yoimiya kinda requires a shielder

[copper mist]

No

[spiral mantle]

im not c1

[shadow arrow]

you can do yelan E Q yunjin E Q bennett EQ yelan E yoi for example

[spiral mantle]

i see

[shadow arrow]

since yelan cd is kinda low

im not sure its optimal tho lmao

or yelan Q in the end instead

[unkempt river]

What does Yunjin do?

[shadow arrow]

buff NA

[neon harness]

buff normal attacks

[unkempt river]

NA buffer or smth?

[shadow arrow]

but that's about it

[unkempt river]

How much?

[shadow arrow]

actually i dont remember i have to look it up lmao

[unkempt river]

But she ain't worth building?

[shadow arrow]

she's very niche

[neon harness]

not usually, only for yoi

[unkempt river]

Gotcha

[copper mist]

Does yun jin have ER cons

[civic totem]

How much ER Nahida needs with Raiden on the same team and no fav user?

[spiral mantle]

should i revert my build back to the regular

[copper mist]

I'm afraid you will have to yea

[shadow arrow]

on field?

wait wrong repy

[neon harness]

bruv why are the even event quests also so sad

[shadow arrow]

on field nahida?

[spiral mantle]

They should be

[neon harness]

onfield nahida needs no er

[shadow arrow]

^

[copper mist]

@spiral mantle

[spiral mantle]

i love thelxie’s event

[copper mist]

Sorry can't screenshot

[spiral mantle]

I don’t understand any of that

[shadow arrow]

yeah that's alot that's why im suggesting 2E rotation

[copper mist]

Anyway Yelan needs 233% ER in a team like this

[copper mist]

You can't

[shadow arrow]

240 on both yelan and yunjin

[neon harness]

its rly good || 3rd quest jump scared me, why so many ppl dying in genshin||

[copper mist]

And Yun Jin needs 240%

[shadow arrow]

why not tho

[spiral mantle]

Ikrrrrr

[copper mist]

If you open with Yelan E, then do burst, (which you do first cuz her burst is longest CD), then YJ EQ, then Bennett EQ, Yelan E is still on like 5 sec cd at least

[civic totem]

off field

[copper mist]

You're not gonna waste 5 sec waiting for it, you swap to Yoi and E, for 10 sec on field

[neon harness]

130 er max, should be lower tho cus of raiden

[copper mist]

After which the rotation starts over

[civic totem]

I have 106,5%...

I want to know if that's enough

[shadow arrow]

wait i thought yelan E cd is 6s 💀

[spiral mantle]

what should i do w my nahida

[copper mist]

Used to C1 maybe?

[neon harness]

crit rate circlet

[civic totem]

no, it's 10

[shadow arrow]

no i mixed up with someone ese i think

my yelan is c0

[spiral mantle]

oh so not em circlet anymore?

[slate ingot]

U make this or Is it a feature in game?

[spiral mantle]

akasha.cv

[shadow arrow]

crit better

[spiral mantle]

oki

[neon harness]

its em if there is no ther high em unit, or bloom

[spiral mantle]

other artis are okay tho?

[shadow arrow]

also too much em, try to go under 1k

[neon harness]

this rly depends on team

[neon harness]

what team?

[spiral mantle]

alhaitham yae ben

[shadow arrow]

anything that went above 1k is wasted tho, you want to be as close to 1k as possibe but not go over

[spiral mantle]

don’t have kuki built

[neon harness]

its not wasted if its a team like nilou bloom, im sure theres other teams but i cant remember

[shadow arrow]

the thing is because of nahida's passive and scaling em is as valuable as crit and dmg%, but when you went over 1k you lose on passive and it become worse so might as well use crit circlet atp

[neon harness]

try to get more crit rate, if you can get a crit rate circlet with some em subs that would be rly good

[spiral mantle]

alr

but the flower feather sands and gob is ok?

Ok maybe not gob

[shadow arrow]

sands gob can be better

flower feather pgood

[spiral mantle]

alr

[neon harness]

on some nilou teams, where nahida does trigger some blooms, its fine if you go over 1k

[shadow arrow]

that make sense ig

but most of the time you dont want nahida to be the one triggering the bloom

[swift crown]

gover

[paper cargo]

Can someone explain to me how this is possible?

[neon harness]

try to get more crit on the em artifacts, its already hard to em artifacts to gl kek

[neon harness]

shh

[spiral mantle]

tyyy

[shadow arrow]

is what possible?

[neon harness]

yea, double dendro double hydro tends to let the 2nd hydro thats not nilou make blooms, but it still does depend on team

[paper cargo]

When I have the circlet with hp% and flat hp I have less hp than with the circlet that doesn't have them

[shadow arrow]

also hydro only consume half of dendro aura when making bloom so you get more bloom by having your hydro triggering them

[neon harness]

are you sure that double hydro passive is off for both builds?

[paper cargo]

Yup I double checked even while she's not in active team, she has less hp with the hp substats artifact

If I use another artifact with hp% tho her hp increases

[shadow arrow]

something is going on with hydro reso i think but not sure

[paper cargo]

She's not in active team tho that's why I'm confused

[neon harness]

about to try em neuvi for nilou bloom, god this is cursed

[shadow arrow]

can you check in game?

[reef comet]

it's just hydro reso from enka, nothing to worry about

[shadow arrow]

not enka

[fathom vapor]

genuine question tho, r5 fleuve or r1 fav ~ furi btw

[shadow arrow]

yeah probably this

[paper cargo]

Yeah I checked in-game, hp still goes down

[neon harness]

r5 pipe

[shadow arrow]

most of the time fleuve but depends on your team

[fathom vapor]

koko taser

[shadow arrow]

fleuve

[fathom vapor]

💋

[copper mist]

I have furi sig but I unironically need to get fleuve

[fathom vapor]

why so

[copper mist]

Cuz ER moment

[fathom vapor]

😭

[shadow arrow]

just play mono hydro

[copper mist]

Fav feels cope on her cuz you wanna open with her skill and then only she benefits from it first rotation

I play Haitham

[fathom vapor]

kazuha crit rate req to utilize fav sword?

[shadow arrow]

like 20 is enough

[copper mist]

I wouldn't go under 30%

[fathom vapor]

30ish it is

[shadow arrow]

he does aoe dmg

[copper mist]

Not always

[shadow arrow]

well yeah depends on enemy ig lol

[fathom vapor]

ow dang 8.5 cr rn 😭

AND THE ER IS 226 HELP

[swift crown]

[shadow arrow]

how is it allot

you get 60 er from substat??

[neon harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1140066667477606491.gif?size=48&name=CatKiss&quality=lossless

[reef comet]

r1 and negative crit rate

oh wait, i already criticized your build

[swift crown]

[fathom vapor]

r5ing it once i get fleuve

[swift crown]

silly pun

[copper mist]

And that is still low em too sadge

[reef comet]

you silly too

[shadow arrow]

he actually has 60 er from substat

[swift crown]

i learnt it from the best

[shadow arrow]

honestly at that point you dont need fav proc lol

[reef comet]

true, we should always learn it from yunyun

[shadow arrow]

who needs white particles when you have 220 er

[fathom vapor]

^

[neon harness]

Dear lord wtf is this

[shadow arrow]

wait is this full em

[swift crown]

@neon harness so proud of you

[copper mist]

Is that kaveh

[swift crown]

what did you do to our husband

[neon harness]

thats hoyos alhaitham build kekw

[shadow arrow]

oh

[copper mist]

Whuu

[neon harness]

i was using him at the time, he had nahida em buff

[shadow arrow]

is it noblesse?

[reef comet]

silly nilou bloomhaitham

[copper mist]

Gladiator surely

[neon harness]

i tried bloomnuevi, so copium

[reef comet]

can tell before anyone do that

[neon harness]

nah, its gilded

Here’s his build with no buffs kekekk

[shadow arrow]

probably em em crit then

but idk they can easily manipulate artis stat

[neon harness]

he has dendro dmg bonus

68

.2%

[neon harness]

skill tissue

[reef comet]

atleast it has better rolls than other goblet

[frozen obsidian]

my future raiden is gonna be so sadge

[neon harness]

https://tenor.com/view/genshin-lyney-lynette-gif-10755337342472548743

[shadow arrow]

no fishing?

[frozen obsidian]

Catch is on XL

[shadow arrow]

ah alr

[reef comet]

spine is better anyway, if you can ultilize it's atk speed buff

[neon harness]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1179404876141305896.png?size=160&name=heheoratricemecaniquedanalyse

[reef comet]

nice neuv

[shadow arrow]

isnt catch more convenient tho

[neon harness]

😳

[shadow arrow]

has er dmg% crit as opposed to spine's atk

when you're gonna use bennett anyway

[neon harness]

spine also has er

[shadow arrow]

not as much as catch

[neon harness]

the atk speed makes up for it

[shadow arrow]

is raiden er ascension?

i assume it is

[elder bluff]

spine is better. it increases attack speed

[neon harness]

it is

[reef comet]

so true, 10 dmg

[shadow arrow]

i mean if its better than its better

who else gonna use spine anyway

[neon harness]

🤭

shenhe but she doesnt exist

[frozen obsidian]

how much ER does Raiden have at 90 without artis?

[neon harness]

132

[frozen obsidian]

Oof. She'll have over 300 with these artis

[shadow arrow]

230 er on raiden is enough anyway

[reef comet]

shenhe, xiao, xiangling, zhongli, yunjin, rosaria, pretty much anyone

[neon harness]

220 is enough for non-EL weapons

[neon harness]

homa for everyone when https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/930132707764228126.webp?size=48&name=smh&quality=lossless

[frozen obsidian]

Maybe I'll swap her ER sands to ATK then and hopefully i get something w/ better crit rolls

[reef comet]

nice r100 homa zhongli

[shadow arrow]

i'd just favge

[swift crown]

mine is struggling to hit 200

[neon harness]

hot

[neon harness]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/981973325565820989.png?size=160&name=Childe Pew

[frozen obsidian]

TFW you only have 5 emblem atk% sands and the good one is with XQ 💀

[neon harness]

tstill tisstue

[reef comet]

xiangling can also use it

and ayaka can also use it

[elder bluff]

...ayaka?

[frozen obsidian]

Ayaka gonna be switched to polearms in 4.3

[elder bluff]

[swift crown]

@reef comet let me in bbg

[cedar flint]

i will have to pull for raiden signature

[reef comet]

i was afk

the last one

[sick quarry]

Guys what is a "crane"?

[lyric cargo]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crane

[strange scarab]

Google is free bra

[opal surge]

How many particles is commonly assumed from zhongli e in ER calcs?

[olive isle]

https://tenor.com/view/shrimple-sea-puns-crane-of-my-existence-gif-27141534

[small blade]

Zhongli's pillar is very unreliable. If you want to be safe do miss pillar

[lyric cargo]

because it can be destroyed, right?

[small blade]

yes

[reef comet]

and you usually don't want to stand near it because you're fucked if you somehow climb it

[lyric cargo]

reminds me of mid battle accidental tree climbing in Zelda

[opal surge]

Alright ty

[amber pebble]

Guys R5 catch or R1 primodial jade winged spear for raiden?

[strange scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-deleted-gif-26122644

[small blade]

Both are close, use optimizer to find out which weapon performs better with the artifacts you have

[amber pebble]

Idk where you find the optimizer can you help?😅

[reef comet]

type "genshin optimizer" on google

[amber pebble]

Aight

[small blade]

https://frzyc.github.io/genshin-optimizer/

[reef comet]

but xiangling the catch and raiden dbane

you know you will never get 230 er with jade (rel)

[small blade]

(Don't talk about the atk)

[copper mist]

Shiiibal

Btw am I crazy or are Xiao ER reqs legit 170%

[reef comet]

ik you will send this, you whele

[copper mist]

On like a faruzan bennett zl team

[reef comet]

change zl to sucrose

[copper mist]

Triple anemo no shield?

I mean Ig

[reef comet]

it's always triple anemo that is better than any normal xiao team

[copper mist]

Really

[reef comet]

that's the most optimal team

[copper mist]

But isn't playing Xiao without a shield pain

[small blade]

you can't play xiao with non c6 faruzan without triple anemo

[copper mist]

Also how fo you even battery Xiao with Sucrose

[copper mist]

I have C6 Faru

But ER calc still says 176 er or so

[amber pebble]

I get 233 er with jade

[reef comet]

her E

funnel all the shit to xiao

[amber pebble]

Substats carry

[reef comet]

if you have like 70/140 1.5k atk, it's pretty decent

[amber pebble]

66/172 with 1.5k yeah

It's ok ?

[reef comet]

it's fine

[amber pebble]

It's just a prebuild I got all the artifacts ready with calculation

[craggy siren]

we're running er time piece xiao now?

[copper mist]

But Xiao already self funnels with 2E before burst, can you still get both?

Or do you then do 2 E after his burst runs out

[copper mist]

No

[small blade]

Can you show the calc?

[copper mist]

Ik this is like impossible to read

Also that Bennett ER

[small blade]

Only 1 c6 trigger?

[copper mist]

Idk how many times that shit triggers

Ig like 3 times

[small blade]

should be around 5-6 times. It once every 3s iirc

[copper mist]

Calc says shared 5.5 sec icd

Shared with E charge shot Ig

But holy

I put 3 times

And now his ER 140%

This seems more normal yeah

[copper mist]

The particle gen has 5.5 sec icd

So once every 2 triggers Ig

[small blade]

There is also the c4 one

[copper mist]

Yes but that is for faruzan alone

[small blade]

yeah but you should be putting about 6 not 3

[copper mist]

6 what

[small blade]

c6 triggers

[copper mist]

Her burst last for

12 sec so...

Should be 4 then

[reef comet]

ye but since you have c6 faruzan it doesn't matter that much to play sucrose, tho it is still recommended even if you already c6 faruzan so kekw

[copper mist]

Seems fairly reasonable

With 4 C6 triggers my xiao needs 135 ER so ok

That is doable then

[reef comet]

fav lance xiao

[copper mist]

The 1k def is VERY important

I can just give him a similar cv circlet too with ER on it

[shadow arrow]

Just use 2E

[copper mist]

Ew

[shadow arrow]

Also why not fav zhongli

[copper mist]

Cuz I am not bothering with crit

And I just want a tanky shield, black tassel triple hp

[shadow arrow]

And faruzan

[shadow arrow]

As if hp hp crit isnt tanky enough?

[copper mist]

Nope

[shadow arrow]

Huh

You also got bennett

You're not going to die

[copper mist]

When I use Zhongli I just don't want to be interrupted, ever

Coppelia can already get through the shield

[shadow arrow]

I mean xiao moves alot also makes half of your enemy attack miss

[copper mist]

Yeah but I am not going to make two ZL builds

[shadow arrow]

It just one hat

[copper mist]

Maybe someday when I make a Faruzan specific TotM set

Nah 31% crit rate on a character that only hits once is not enough

Also Black tassel gives 46% hp too

[north stump]

What’s a good stopping point for Neuvilette in terms of artifacts?

[copper mist]

Legit 80+% HP just for Fav? Nah

[copper mist]

C0

[north stump]

How do C6 solo Neuvilette players get so much damage? 30000, even 40000 per tick? Doesn’t he literally gain 0 stacks of A1 when he’s going alone?

[north stump]

I meant to say artifacts sorry

[copper mist]

As much as you need

[north stump]

In terms of CR CD

[copper mist]

Do you just wanna clear f12 with a finctional team?

[copper mist]

Oh then as much as possible

[north stump]

I want him to clear F12 by himself

[copper mist]

Artifact dmg stats never have a perfect cutoff

[reef comet]

64/300 if his sig

[copper mist]

Just get as much as possible

[north stump]

64? That showcase had less than 60

[reef comet]

because they can't get the perfect golden ratio

[copper mist]

Once you go over 200 CD you should be on 100% cr for the best value for your crit

[reef comet]

most showcase builds aren't that great

[copper mist]

Because the best ratio is 1:2 critrate:critdmg

Why for example 75:150 performs WAY better than 50:200

[reef comet]

level 90, tome, 4p marechaussee hp/hydro/crit 64/300 120 er 32khp seems reasonable

[shadow arrow]

But also there's breakpoints fro crit rate

You get less benefit getting more crit rate over 80%

Like 80/250 is better than 100/200 even both has equal crit multiplier

[copper mist]

But 100/200 is less cv lol

[copper mist]

This is nonsense

This is only arguable for 92% cr with Abyss crit card

Where does it say "crit rate over 80% generally performs worse"

Cuz maths certainly does not support that

Every crit ratio with over 200% cdmg would prefer having 100% crit rate in exchange for a bit of CD

80 * 250 and
100 * 200
Perform exactly the same but 100 * 200 is just less CV

If you were to adjust for CV diff with 100 * 210 then 100 is obviously better

The 80% crit rate is enough or something narrative I have seen before and idk what levels of copium the person who started that was on

But it could not have been healthy

[copper mist]

But fr where did you get that from? What makes it "perform better"? Magic?

[reef comet]

idk, i kinda prefer 80/300 over 100/200 :clueless:

[copper mist]

50/300 only to be 25% worse than 100/200

[reef comet]

80*

[copper mist]

Yeah ik diff example

[shadow arrow]

i mean as in investment for crit rate when you have above 80% is less valuable when you have under

[copper mist]

No

[shadow arrow]

atp you're better off investing somewhere else

[copper mist]

No?

[reef comet]

lol

their source: i watched youtube/i made it up/out of my yanfei

[copper mist]

A balanced ratio of 1:2 for ANY cv is ALWAYS best, and that only goes out of the window when you are at 100% crit rate and 200% cdmg or more

Where obviously more crit rate becomes completely useless

Until they release the Natlan Riftcats that sap your crit rate from your characters :real:

I saw the leaks

[reef comet]

tbh, this is just a game, i won

and you live in a simulation i made in my simulation

rip bozo

80 crit rate is the best possible you should get, any higher than 80 is appreciated, other than that, just get 80/200 and call it a day unless you want to go beyond than being mid then to 100 crit rate is something you'd love to get

[copper mist]

80/200 disgusting ratio

90:180 >>>

[reef comet]

such yomia brain you have

[olive isle]

my xiao build got hurt after seeing that

[small blade]

My brain pepega'd

Wait c2 increases burst duration

[spare garden]

Is there a way to break these?

[elder bluff]

use the lumenstone adjuvant

[fierce garden]

Orange is my first team(Yoimiya, Bennett, Diona, Yelan), but i need a second team, and im deciding if it should be red team (Cyno, Mona, DendroTraveler, Fischl) or blue team (Chongyun, Xingqiu, Fischl, Furina).. ive wanted to start building and maining chongyun for awhile now, but ive also havent had the chance to do hyperbloom.

[lyric cargo]

in terms of best average damage, the effective multiplier is (1 + cr * cd)

1 + 1.0 * 2.0 = 3x
1 + 0.8 * 3.0 = 3.4x

[reef comet]

Cyno DMC Kuki Xingqiu

[copper mist]

Faruzan the most omegalul character

Every single one of her cons and shit affects her C6 performance and vice versa

[lyric cargo]

at some point I gotta consider getting whatever chars run alongside scara

because getting him without c6 faruzan is a bit awkward

it'll take a long time though

[strange scarab]

red light or green light

[wide aurora]

hello chat

[reef comet]

it's fine, last one can't be def (rel)

[wide aurora]

im making a mono pyro dehya build (support) but that’s not what i’m asking.
rn im making a super tanky dehya for underwater exploration since ive seen that she’s literally god tier for it

clam dehya

[reef comet]

it's not that deep, no one plays faruzan in overworld anyway

[strange scarab]

Im going to kill myself

[reef comet]

lol

[sick quarry]

Real

[reef comet]

4p tenacity

fav

[wide aurora]

that’s coming.
this is for chest hunting.

[strange scarab]

No reason to keep that unplayable piece of shit feather right

[lyric cargo]

the Scaramouche taxi service

[wide aurora]

specifically for fontaines underwater region

[reef comet]

that's the only good thing on him

[lyric cargo]

my standard for flower / plume is at least 7 useful substats

but it's +20 now. you might as well use it until you get a better one

[reef comet]

it's not that matter, 3 mainstats hp% would be enough for her

[wide aurora]

clam triggers when she self heals tho.
extra damage as well as i don’t have to move my screen consistently to do weird dodges
(fontaines underwater region has been a nightmare for me recently)

[strange scarab]

I got two other wt feather with 31 and 35 cv i was thinking if this could be a good offpiece

[wide aurora]

pour one out for me i’ve had to take several dramamine during my underwater exploration.
you know the virgil quest where you like go through the water tunnels once the glass explodes?
awful

goal is tanky as possible, extra bubble boost thingie with clam,
double hydro (legit anyone. won’t be used just for the HP boost) and fremi.
super tanky, extra speed swimming,

[reef comet]

you do you

ohc is fine but the artifact itself is not worth farming for if you don't want the other set

well, ig strongboxing is a thing

[wide aurora]

yeah, i’ve been strong boxing it overtime dw.

i also just need a solid clam hp% set in general.
i don’t have one

killing two birds with one stone in a way.
i’m trying to get koko.

[velvet ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/vergil-reaction-vergil-reaction-my-reaction-to-that-information-my-reaction-to-that-information-meme-gif-26427732

[olive isle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/872399985394712597/1092207279471853631/kokomi.gif

[finite tide]

Good Morning, Good Afternoon, and Good Evening, Everyone! I need some suggestions for Chamber 9 on Spiral Abyss, I would some element suggestions then moving on to character suggestions! Thank you guys! ❤️

[olive isle]

i’d like to do pyro on 1st half and hydro on 2nd half, but you’ll get through it even not using the recommended elements as long as you put a lot of investment on your characters

[velvet ingot]

don't bring a hydro on first half and don't bring a pyro on second half

and some cc on side 1 is appreciated

[velvet ingot]

you sure we looking at the same thing?

id say defo go hydro second half if you have it
especially neuv or a well-built furina

[olive isle]

i haven’t done spiral abyss in a while so i forgot

[finite tide]

So I tried:

1st half: Sucrose, Xiangling, Diluc, and Bennett

2nd: Furina, Kazuha, Dendro MC, and Kuki

[small blade]

Can you show your character list?

[velvet ingot]

yknow i really wouldn't recommend running furina with just kuki, maybe replace her with another hydro
and diluc can be uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
let's just say unless you know how to dragonstrike your damage is gonna be

also i'd put kazuha on the first half if i'm using him at all

[olive isle]

oh and it’s possible to wipe the whole floor even with just two characters along with you having a lot of time to get 3 stars in each chamber, so don’t worry about trying to reach excessively high standards when it comes to investment

[velvet ingot]

agreed

this chamber 9 is relatively easy when compared to the other chambers

assuming you have okayge investment

[finite tide]

Oh yes ofc

[reef comet]

how come you not beat f9 with this amount of characters

[finite tide]

I don't know 😭😭😭

[reef comet]

probably vast investment into random characters

[olive isle]

have you not played abyss before?

[reef comet]

the question now is do you want to do abyss or not, if you want, you have to build some of the character properly

[finite tide]

I do what to do abyss but I don't know who to build

[finite tide]

Yes

[olive isle]

my suggestion for your team (that also works even in floor 12) would be:

ayato, xingqiu, furina, charlotte for 1st half
keqing, fischl, yaoyao, kazuha for 2nd half

let me know when you have preferences so i can have alternative options for ya

[finite tide]

Thank you I'll try it!

[reef comet]

or ayato bennett xiangling kazuha
wanderer xingqiu yelan layla since these 2 teams is easy to build
f9 is fairly easy, just need fair amount of investment
even 1 character to beat it

[finite tide]

Thank you!

[finite tide]

I don't have yalen tho

[reef comet]

oh ye, but any character like fischl should do fine, f9 is honestly easy

[finite tide]

Oh ok thanks so much

[urban ivy]

How much can my Furina be improved realistically