📌gimshim-help

[velvet ingot]

hang on lemme check

yup harp is pretty high up compared to rust

[winged merlin]

is there any use for tao if i dont like main dps tao

burst support or something peculiar like that

[haughty lotus]

no

[lethal eagle]

just got my first update on the hacked account, cs just said itll take about 4- business days to reach out to me. rip.. also been seeing some people online saying they spammed cs with their recovery info, and that eventually worked becasue sometimes cs ends the ticket you create without letting you know. should i do the same and keep sending emails? the one ive just sent would be about my 4th in the last 3ish months

4-6 business days*

[ripe robin]

I'm sure gives like 12 crit rate to teammates, you can make use of that, if you like seeing her icon on the team for emotional support lol

[swift crown]

that sounds lowkey stupid

especially when they're probably working on other cases as well

[winged merlin]

no i just want to justify 160 pulls spend on her or it makes me want to create a new account

[lethal eagle]

ur right, thas why i decided not to and ask instead

[sharp saddle]

dual DPS Hutao with another dps, say Raiden.

support Hutao has nothing much in her tank

[dusty cape]

Imagine customer service having other customers 🤯

[lethal eagle]

just a bit curious to see if they closed my tickets like they did others, since i havent gotten a response in monmths now.

[ripe robin]

have you paid any money on the account?

[velvet ingot]

send a ss

[lethal eagle]

yeah i sent them those photos of my payments

anyways thats not rly wht im talking about

just asking if i should bug them for a response

[ripe robin]

good, you would get it in due time, just be patient!

[velvet ingot]

20cv goblet with 15 er hmmmmm
i'd say hang on to it. It's not stellar but it is well-rounded

[lethal eagle]

alright! ill try to be. i lost it around april, so its a bit hard to wait lol.

[winged merlin]

smh both jump CA and NA playstyles feel very annoying

[swift crown]

then why did you pull

[winged merlin]

she's cute

[lethal eagle]

is ayaka worth it now?

thinking of saving for her on my new acc

[dusty cape]

Didn’t you talk about sending a cs email like yesterday 🤨

[lethal eagle]

three days ago

they sent me a recovery link every time but they kept getting cancelled so i came here for help lol

cancelled, i assume

[ripe robin]

her pull value would depend on how wario performs and how she plays compared to him etc~

[haughty lotus]

wahhhhh

[swift crown]

wdym cancelled

[winged merlin]

wario

[lethal eagle]

carole

MY NBAD

[swift crown]

heyyyy

[haughty lotus]

hey

[winged merlin]

should i maybe get ayaka
i don't like her just as i don't like hu tao but i have c1 mona and no main dps so

[lethal eagle]

like a closed ticket

[sharp saddle]

bench her like me, who cares

[lethal eagle]

playstyles are different in different regions?

[sharp saddle]

the cute one can stay in bench

[swift crown]

🎉 guess who's visiting the doctor

[haughty lotus]

why 🧐

[ripe robin]

if you don't like her, you can see how wrio would do and how he performs

[lethal eagle]

is c1 hutao necessary

[sharp saddle]

no

[ripe robin]

the next char on banner

[sharp saddle]

it does help pretty much but not a required thing

[swift crown]

idk just wait lol theres not much else u can do anyways

[lethal eagle]

gud, seen some comments sayin shes not f2p friendly

[lethal eagle]

yeh

[sharp saddle]

she's not that casual friendly I'll give u that

[ripe robin]

if you want your life to be less miserable playing her and don't wanna bother with learning jump cancels then most likely the answer is yes

[lethal eagle]

lmao

[swift crown]

i sillied and goofied a little too hard

[lethal eagle]

im used to jump cancel used to main klee xd

[sharp saddle]

pro

[haughty lotus]

🤨

[ripe robin]

oh then you are fine lol

[winged merlin]

my poor savings go to furiri so sadly i have a hydro sub dps acc (yelan furina and eh tao)

[lethal eagle]

yeh except the moment when i got ganyu i SWITCHED SO FAST

had childe but he just didnt like to crit ig..

[sharp saddle]

must have been his fault

[swift crown]

(im sick and i need a medical certificate to prove that i am indeed sick so i won't get an offence for skipping school)

[sharp saddle]

pro tip: at 80% crit rate it feels like you crit 5 times more frequently than 70%

[lethal eagle]

it was. his crit dmg was 130-50 somethin, and his cr was around 90. i think i have a photo

[haughty lotus]

get well soon and have fun skipping school

[lethal eagle]

lemme try to find it rq

[sharp saddle]

deffo his fault now yes

[lethal eagle]

lmao

[sharp saddle]

or did you live a life full of bad karma

that comes back to haunt your fate now

[lethal eagle]

idk i lost 50/50 to almost every banner so

[sharp saddle]

i can relate

[lethal eagle]

i spent so much money on that acc...

[winged merlin]

smh i hated on neuv so much that i've decided to pull tao
and while i still don't like neuv HE'S AT LEAST MILDLY USABLE

[swift crown]

😔 thanks
idk what came over me today

[winged merlin]

and she just benched for life

[lethal eagle]

its like hoyo knows that i spent alot so they kept giving me qiqi and diluc.

[haughty lotus]

both are very usable, just dont have skill issue

[dusty cape]

It happens sometimes 😔

[lethal eagle]

alright. well im gonna go grind this newbie acc, bye

[ripe robin]

neuvillette at c0 is more forgiving to play than hu tao

[sharp saddle]

bye, i'm also yeeting myself off

[winged merlin]

i have one and i want to play brain dead main dps so i could rest in the game instead of stressing over pressing buttons

[swift crown]

😔not gonna lie i think today is the first time i actually followed through with it though

[ripe robin]

probably for a new player he would be a better investment

[sharp saddle]

also this is the last time i log into this account. Gotta say farewell to the place

bye

[haughty lotus]

once you practice the combo it becomes braindead after a while

[dusty cape]

bye bye 👋

[haughty lotus]

see you around 🫡

[lethal eagle]

farewell

[winged merlin]

bye thanks for the wisdom fake amber main

[winged merlin]

im rly bad in such stuff i can't even rotate national properly so tao is 💀

[haughty lotus]

ig braindead hyperbloom rotations are the only way for you 😔

[swift crown]

😔another has fallen victim to hb

[haughty hawk]

[haughty lotus]

Hello.

[haughty hawk]

haiii >0<

[haughty lotus]

How is life.

[haughty hawk]

good >~<

how is ur life pookie wookie

[haughty lotus]

Terrible.

[ripe robin]

is your ping high and are playing on mobile ?

[swift crown]

lowkey i think i forgot the way to the clinic

[winged merlin]

30 ping, pc but no graphics card tho
either this or i just have bad reaction time

[ripe robin]

fps issues?

[winged merlin]

how can i check fps in genshin

i dont feel lags visually tbh

[ripe robin]

well you can use fraps to check it, since most overlays don't work on genshin for some reason, except that one, though if you are not feeling horrible playing the game then the fps is probably fine.

Skill issues

[winged merlin]

yeah ik

[quaint fern]

you probably just need to start the program with the overlay in admin mode or smth

just like how obs doesn't work with genshin w/o starting with admin perms

[swift crown]

@haughty lotus they told me to come back in three hours because of the number of patients ahead of me 😭😭😭

[haughty lotus]

😔😔😔😔😔🥭

[ripe robin]

i tried both geforce experience and msi afterburner, they aren't working, FRAPS works well if neither are working

[quaint fern]

oh really?

I remember that nvidia used to work

like a year or two ago

[ripe robin]

for me nowadays it always says NA~

[faint geyser]

sure thx

[quaint fern]

you sure your card is reading the right #s

9.5 GHz on mem

[ripe robin]

ofc who doesn't know the famous Graphics card RTX 307

... im still financially recovering from my pc purchase ...

and I bought it like 6-7 months back

[quaint fern]

😔 I need to upgrade my rig soon

hoping that my poor 1050 ti can survive at least 2 more years LOL

[faint geyser]

which 4 piece is gud for hu tao
crimson witch or that Inazuma one

[reef comet]

crimson witch for flexibility in teams or shime for huge CA dmg but less flexible

[faint geyser]

won't flexibility in the team help her increase dmg ?

[reef comet]

Help her not so rely on shield

= you can run shielderless teams

[faint geyser]

I use healer

[keen condor]

shim needs c1 to be really good

[keen condor]

yea but even with crimson shileds are really good

[umbral sedge]

[swift crown]

:3

[reef comet]

:3

[haughty lotus]

just dodge :3

[cunning knot]

Hello, need help team building for the fat water boss in floor 11 chamber 3

[haughty hawk]

:3

[pastel osprey]

don't know this it A good or bad set that I not going to uses it?

[cunning knot]

I would definitely use that on hutao
It has hp cr and em

[rare iron]

Well as you can see the description it's mostly for pyro damage dealers

[rare iron]

Technically you can just go Hutao Ganyu Ayaka to get the job done for the hydro dudes, then Neuv Kazuha the first side

[cunning knot]

Thanks! that is exactly what I did at the end hutao ganyu ayaka and zhongli
And it was flawless

[pastel osprey]

like I do have my set that I found

[cunning knot]

Crit dmg one is better
Use an hp% time piece

[ocean kiln]

Reported for 119% crit rate

[swift crown]

[ocean kiln]

@swift crown

[swift crown]

heyyyyyyyyy

[rugged sparrow]

it's obviously 63.9% crit rate

[gray oxide]

[rugged sparrow]

[ocean kiln]

Hi how you doing

[ocean kiln]

Don't ignore my 100k unvaped

[rugged sparrow]

did you do it in-game though 🧐

[ocean kiln]

Yes

[rugged sparrow]

where

[ocean kiln]

But it was more like 105k

[ocean kiln]

iPad

[rugged sparrow]

my yelan does 1 million unvaped e

[ocean kiln]

TRUE

[rugged sparrow]

git gud

[swift crown]

😔could be doing way better

[ocean kiln]

[ocean kiln]

Favonius weapon?

[swift crown]

hbu

[rugged sparrow]

1-star weap

[ocean kiln]

School is pain

[ocean kiln]

You're my role model 🥰

[swift crown]

relatable

[ocean kiln]

Waking up 5:30 to go to school is just 😍😍😍

[swift crown]

it's also 33° out

[ocean kiln]

-3 ° here l

[swift crown]

im melting

[ocean kiln]

I'm freezing

[gritty monolith]

my neuvilette has 5k damage per tick with lvl 6 on his normal attack talent, and with an r1 amber. my artifacts are subpar so is the only way to improve this damage into 5 digit numbers is to get better artifacts?

[swift crown]

lets swap

[ocean kiln]

I'd rather not

In cold, you can layer many clothes

In warmth, you can't counter it

[swift crown]

im sweating my ass off

[pastel osprey]

well I can't find no fire set :/

[indigo sleet]

Better Weapon and Artifacts

And level up his talents more

[ripe robin]

VV shred with an anemo character, making sure his stacks are triggered by picking the correct team etc all would ensure maximizing his damage. Prioritize getting NA talent to at least 8 before hopping on arti farming

[gritty monolith]

i have no anemo characters, except for lynette

[haughty lotus]

show your build with enka.network

[reef comet]

sup bbg

[haughty lotus]

who

[ripe robin]

lynette would be a good choice to swirl hydro off-field to ensure stacks triggering, although no capabilities of grouping. but you'd have both penuma and ousia on your team, that surely counts for something, you can ignore leveling her up, just slap 4pc vv on her and give enough ER to burst every rotation and that should be good enough along with making sure she doesn't die

[reef comet]

tao

sus drooling face

[ripe robin]

Nevuillette's team is usually Nevu+anemo character, the rest are flex as long as you can trigger 3 stacks on him

[swift crown]

yae miko 🤤

[haughty lotus]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[cunning knot]

keep it as it is then and don't bother farming that domain
farm the one that gives you emblem of severed fate and shimenawa to be more efficient
you can put shimenawa on her and at the same time farm cracked artifacts for her best companions xingqiu/yelan
also you can put the trash artifacts you get in the strongbox to transform them to witch of flames

[dusty cape]

I shouldn’t have played the archon quest going for wrio is so tempting now

[haughty lotus]

furina tho 🤤

[shrewd nacelle]

Now do nuevi story

[swift crown]

TRUE

[reef comet]

0 set bonus

[dusty cape]

I didn’t even finish it

[faint geyser]

sadly yes

[rugged sparrow]

only "tempting"?

have you seen his demo

[dusty cape]

I am very conflicted

[haughty lotus]

just punchy punchy

[swift crown]

🤤wriothesley

[dusty cape]

Bc navia savings or hot man the last time I went for hot man was jing yuan and uhhhhh yeahh

[swift crown]

ill pull him when he reruns

[ripe robin]

pull for crybaby dragon

[swift crown]

i need my c3 raiden and c2 yae first 🤤🤤🤤

[dusty cape]

If I had enough savings but zhongli was mean to me :devastated:

[faint geyser]

simp

[swift crown]

zhongli took me 80+ wishes back in 1.1 😔😔

[faint geyser]

u have zhongli now?

[swift crown]

and then gave me an underwhelming kit pre buff 😔😔

[swift crown]

i've had him for almost as long as my account had existed

[haughty lotus]

how bad was it?

[faint geyser]

80+ wishes as a beginner then-

[dusty cape]

maybe 2nd rerun I’ll go for neuv Goddamnit why did they have to put both the hot men back to back

[swift crown]

from the pov of an ar35, very underwhelming

[umbral sedge]

Marketing strategy

[faint geyser]

just pull for neuvillete then

[haughty lotus]

😔

[faint geyser]

build pity

[dusty cape]

Ew

[swift crown]

so much so that i went back to using xinyan

[pastel osprey]

well I not farm it.... because I can't find the right set...

[faint geyser]

or try luck to get back to back 5star

[reef comet]

whelaya method:

[dusty cape]

I’m not pulling or building pity I’m not an idiot

[haughty lotus]

[umbral sedge]

[faint geyser]

then what are you doing

[dusty cape]

Not asking you for advice that’s what

[faint geyser]

still what are u doing then-

[swift crown]

he went through character development and came back a staple unit for my yae miko team

[swift crown]

saving

[faint geyser]

not pulling/ building then (still want 5star)

[reef comet]

catstare

[dusty cape]

It’s called saving, it what people who don’t spend money on the game do

🤯

[faint geyser]

f2p rn

20 pulls in 2 days

it was hard

[reef comet]

I got like 20 pulls in 1 day as f2p, idk what your point

[faint geyser]

without any event

[reef comet]

yes

[faint geyser]

or freemogens

[keen condor]

Exploration

[swift crown]

i lost 20 pulls in 1 day as a f2p

[faint geyser]

how long did u play that day

[reef comet]

10 hours

[umbral sedge]

-10 hr

[swift crown]

🎉 i used to play for 15+ hours

[reef comet]

actually it's 2, i afked most of the time

[faint geyser]

20 rolls in 2 hours

[proud trout]

this is the way

[faint geyser]

just how

[dusty cape]

I think I’m just going to go slam my head into a wall and get about the same experience as chatting here 👋 ||💥🔫||

[lethal eagle]

So I’m resubmitting a new recovery request because I got the exact date from a very old email on my old phone. February 2nd 2021 is when I started. This is perfect. I also seen a tutorial on how to do this, so wish me luck everyone!

Bless iCloud 😂

What genshin version was February 2nd 2021?

1.3 😄 awesome

[neon harness]

Dedge chat 😔

[reef comet]

sup bbg

[neon harness]

sup bb

[proud trout]

So i want a anemo char for my second team, that groups them up and some swirly swirls . Kazuha is taken in my first one.i've got no idea about lynette, faruzan or heizous skills. Was on a break when they came out.

[reef comet]

usually kazuha sucrose venti are the 3 best options, the rest can just fill the role

[reef comet]

[neon harness]

whats ur 1 team and whats ur 2nd team?

[proud trout]

the first one is the one that's marked, second is hu tao, xq, yelan and diona

but the sescond is kinda interchangable usually

[neon harness]

sucrose works for 2nd team

[neon harness]

but do you have nuevi c1? him without a shielder at c0 is pretty painful

[proud trout]

yeye i got c1. I'm leveling Layla for him atm, and was thinking of swapping nahida out for Fischl

i'm sooo bored of hu tao though, and alheitham. I want new boomboom teams

[neon harness]

nilou nahida yaoyao barbara
childe international
cyno xingqiu/yelan nahida/yaoyao sucrose
nari nahida fischl kuki
nahida xingqiu yelan kuki

[proud trout]

much appreciated

[neon harness]

[proud trout]

these are C6. Notable C1s is Hu tao, Alheitham, Neuvi, Jean, Qiqi (kek),

[neon harness]

😔 you should level ur units more

[proud trout]

i knooows. i was gone for a long time

so playing catchup with them atm

[reef comet]

lol, level 80 kazuha nahida kuki nilou yelan hutao is such a disgrace

[proud trout]

Can't do much without resin

buy me all the resin packs and i'll level them all

[lyric cargo]

are you getting all your free exp books? (teapot, events)

[proud trout]

yeye i am. But i was gone for ages, so lacking severaly in that.

[lyric cargo]

ah

[velvet inlet]

i've come to realization that klee do less damage with tome then kagura and i spend 150 wish to get it XD

[lyric cargo]

now pull neuv 😛

[velvet inlet]

gotta need some way to have hp drain on klee for tome to be better

hm......

[lyric cargo]

if you find a way, Marechaussee will probably be her best set

[velvet inlet]

i'll just inhale copium in the mean time

[rugged sparrow]

it's as if someone already told you that Tome is a cv bait yesterday

[velvet inlet]

as if i'm a stranger to dissapointment i have 4 catalyst solely i want to give it a try on klee

[lyric cargo]

that's a lot of weapons

[rugged sparrow]

but you do have Nahida and Yae to make use of the lamp and kagura

[velvet inlet]

my thinking process is 1.oh new toy for klee
2.oh well signature for character i have

[rugged sparrow]

pull Neuv then yupge

[lyric cargo]

it's okay, I'll take the tome

[rugged sparrow]

trade it for your SoSS?

[velvet inlet]

only sepnd on welkin by the way

[reef comet]

what surprised me is no skyward pride

unless they foddered it

[velvet inlet]

nope that thing never come to my acc

[rugged sparrow]

they have r2 aquila, skyward sword, and harp, go figure

[reef comet]

can't believe mf is actually winning in genshin

[velvet inlet]

like i can even if i wanted to

[rugged sparrow]

just get in one multi ez

[velvet inlet]

already spend 150 wishes for tome remember?

[lyric cargo]

maybe on a rerun

[velvet inlet]

nah

by the time nuevi rerun natlan hype would already begin

copium for pyro atk scaler buff

[lyric cargo]

I'm coping that he'll rerun with another char whose weapon I'd want, maybe furina

[velvet inlet]

i really dont like the brat

pray that she's just simple dps and not a support that can make klee stronger

[lyric cargo]

I pull mostly for meta, but it's speculative whether she'll be good and her weapon will be a good team dmg increase

[opal surge]

do we know the weapon

[lyric cargo]

nope

[proud trout]

kinda glad nuvi is meta. I love the little water splasher 9000

[velvet inlet]

forbidden knowledge

[opal surge]

im gonna be on a 50/50 with 70 wishes only for furina

since I lost 5050 on hu tao twice

[lyric cargo]

wait, how

[opal surge]

went for c1

[lyric cargo]

ah

[proud trout]

i've only lost one 5050, on Alheitham. Got him on hard pity, then got a second copy after on a 10 pull

[lyric cargo]

I lost 50/50 on Nahida twice and got Tighnari both times

[opal surge]

i wish Id just get a dehya from 50/50 losses

instead of qiqi and mona cons

[velvet inlet]

gimme long ears boi

[lyric cargo]

those were my only lost 50/50s as well so far

[velvet inlet]

I WANT HIM!

[proud trout]

i'd like a mona. Got my first qiqi not too long ago

[lyric cargo]

we should pool our Tighnari pulls so someone gets to play him c6

[small blade]

🐳

[velvet inlet]

my suffering

[proud trout]

got my first keqing on nahidas second banner, first 10 pull with no pity. So i don't count that 50/50 😂

[opal surge]

i have no keqing or jean either

[proud trout]

jean was my first 5*, but on standard

[opal surge]

I can hit softpity on standard if I ascend all my chars to 50/60 now instead of farming artifacts

Surely Id hit dehya with that

[proud trout]

lowkey kinda want dayha atm for nuvis team

[opal surge]

Highkey want dehya for dehya monopyro

[velvet inlet]

i use garentee to pull dehya on her first banner

i really like dehya

[gaunt kettle]

i need your takes: has abyss gotten easier or have players become stronger?

[rugged sparrow]

a mix of both

sometimes we have occasional abyss that's fairly difficult

[rugged sparrow]

like 3.7 abyss being widely recognized as the most difficult abyss to date

[gaunt kettle]

do you think that an abyss that was considered hard in 1.3 would be extremely easy now?

[rugged sparrow]

very

[velvet inlet]

you mean the consecrated beast duo?

[rugged sparrow]

yes

[opal surge]

fontaine abyss' have been super easy in comparison i feel like

[gaunt kettle]

do you think the meta is shifting towards fontaine characters?

[opal surge]

Not really

[velvet inlet]

but that abyss is really fun tho aggressive mobs are fun to fight

[rugged sparrow]

right now? sure

[opal surge]

The abyss blessings are highly weighted for fontaine characters, but thats always the case with new character releases

[rugged sparrow]

^

[gaunt kettle]

do you think the addition of the swimming mechanic has been a gamechanger?

[ripe robin]

abyss's difficulty is fluctuating if you are talking about abysses starting from 3.0, the highest spike was 3.7's abyss, as for players they get stronger and stronger with each expansion, especially with the new artifact sets that provide a decent damage increase universally.

[rugged sparrow]

idk wym by that

[gaunt kettle]

mhm, i see 📝

[rugged sparrow]

it's just exploration

[shrewd nacelle]

underwater abyss

[rugged sparrow]

it's definitely fresh and fun

[gaunt kettle]

do you think overall that swimming has been an overall good addition to the game?

[rugged sparrow]

personally yes

[velvet inlet]

a very chill mechanic and water daiper is funni

[ripe robin]

but yeah gone are the days where you'd find only 2 ruin guards on one side of abyss 12

[rugged sparrow]

cryo slimes pog

[opal surge]

fontaine exploration is insane

Also feels like theres barely any common chests

which makes exploration much more fun by default

[gaunt kettle]

do you think abyss is become less "venti-able", so to speak?

[neon harness]

its fun new way to explore so sure, interative map is starting to have more layers that part is kinda making me dizzy

[shrewd nacelle]

yes, he's a cheatcode

[rugged sparrow]

not really, Venti has always has a spot in abyss

[velvet inlet]

floor 9-11 venti is just a skip button

[rugged sparrow]

floor12 Venti is also a skip button for high-end players so

[gaunt kettle]

do we think that, in general, genshin impact has declined, improved, or stayed the same since the addition of dragonspine?

[opal surge]

what is this survey lmao

[gaunt kettle]

i'm just asking questions 🤷‍♂️

[rugged sparrow]

I mean, obviously improved?

[velvet inlet]

da wei in disguise? XD

[rugged sparrow]

we've gotten a lot of QoL changes ever since

[gaunt kettle]

do you think the phenomenon of "powercreep" is in effect, or no?

[rugged sparrow]

no lol

[shrewd nacelle]

They promised us we can pet the dogs but we never got it

[neon wave]

can we have a questionnaire or something

[rugged sparrow]

[velvet inlet]

my klee still keep up with lyney so no

[opal surge]

ye just link us a google form or sm shit its easier than asking one by one

[rugged sparrow]

powercreep in genshin doesn't exist solely to the fact that each char is tailored differently for different scenarios (assuming average investment anyway)

[gaunt kettle]

nah this is nothing official fr

[lyric cargo]

main thing with Venti in floor 12 is it'll usually be a mix of single target and multi target

this abyss I guess you'd absorb pyro or cryo into his burst for seahorse, to get some use out of him chamber 1. (And hope it stays inside it.)
Then chambers 2/3 have actual multi target

[opal surge]

its not about being official its about being really goofy

[rugged sparrow]

but if you're speaking from a whale standpoint, powercreeping definitely exists

[gaunt kettle]

but if you all want a google form i can provide

[rugged sparrow]

but that's beyond the reach and concern of general playerbase

[gaunt kettle]

i appreciate your input, blub

[ripe robin]

old vid ^

[rugged sparrow]

blub

[neon harness]

blub

[gaunt kettle]

as @opal surge has suggested, would a google form questionnaite be a thing you all would be interested in or not? please reply to this message with your opinions.

[rugged sparrow]

eh just ask here i cba to fill

[opal surge]

it was a joke

[neon wave]

I'm at work so I would absolutely fill it

[gaunt kettle]

or would a more hands on approach be preferred?

[shrewd nacelle]

Do you work for cognosphere

[gaunt kettle]

no, i'm simply interested in the thoughts of the players in this community

[rugged sparrow]

tavern is like a small minority of genshin community as a whole though

[gaunt kettle]

still has a sizeable sample size

[rugged sparrow]

but then again if you ask average playerbase about "powercreeping" they'd immediately point their fingers to Diluc, Ganyu and other DPS of similar element

[opal surge]

Id gladly play ganyu still

[gaunt kettle]

so you think the average playerbase is misinformed?

[rugged sparrow]

wouldn't call it misinformed

they just don't know better

[gaunt kettle]

i see

[opal surge]

powercreep is a silly concept anyway in a pve game where the hardest content is outscaled by the weakest characters

[ripe robin]

they don't care and don't feel strongly about it is the better description

[velvet inlet]

most player are casual and keep to themself

[gaunt kettle]

noted 📝

[velvet inlet]

yep

[rugged sparrow]

pretty much

[ripe surge]

hello uwu

[gaunt kettle]

i've been analyzing the various archetypes of players in genshin

[shrewd nacelle]

What archetypes are there

[gaunt kettle]

there exists the "meta player", the "casual" and the "whale"

[opal surge]

how much ER do you think burgeon yoimiya needs

[gaunt kettle]

3 general categories

[opal surge]

[shrewd nacelle]

Define the casual genshin player

[velvet inlet]

DONT USE YOI IN BURGEON

[gaunt kettle]

the coexistence of all 3 are required for the wellbeing of genshin impact

[neon harness]

pulls for who they like? prolly idk

[gaunt kettle]

the casual player will engage in various activities, and it is hard to describe it in a simple sentence

[ripe robin]

it is not truly outscaled by the weakest characters, the weakest characters tend to be carried by the strongest character in most teams that are thrown into abyss, and provide no actual extra value to the team at all.

[gaunt kettle]

but the casual player will not engage in difficult content and does not care about the "Meta"

[neon harness]

idk

[rugged sparrow]

I mean we have Hidden who pull mostly for meta

[velvet inlet]

so what would you categorize me? i dont pull "meta" character and i only spend on welkin

[shrewd nacelle]

Do you consider players who log in everyday and does commissions casual?

[velvet inlet]

XD

[ripe robin]

A whale can be either a casual or a meta player too

[gaunt kettle]

i would categorize you as a "casual", but if you are interested in hard content, then a "casual-meta" gamer

[rugged sparrow]

ehh, the tags seem arbitrary

[opal surge]

[shrewd nacelle]

We're discovering a venn diagram

[rugged sparrow]

[opal surge]

casual-meta adjacent 1/3rd of a whale player

[neon harness]

but what about the people that dont whale, dont pull for meta, still does difficult content with their well build niche characters, theres alot of people that main unpopular/not meta units

[neon wave]

A casual wouldn't hang in discord tbh. Some people aren't casual and don't care about meta

[gaunt kettle]

i will describe it in a simple way:

• whales scale with $$$
• meta players scale with theorycrafting and grinding
• casual players scale with general enjoyment of all aspects

[velvet inlet]

i enjoy playing abyss

[near prism]

Blub

[gaunt kettle]

as i said, the 3 archetypes can mix

[rugged sparrow]

blub

[gaunt kettle]

for example there can be a "casual-whale"

[ripe robin]

If you'd classify it that way, there would be a "F2P meta player." a "F2P Casual" "Low spender meta player" "Low spender casual. "Whale meta player." "whale Casual."

[rugged sparrow]

real, casuals would be on tiktok and spread misinfo

[near prism]

Hi jerry what's up

[gaunt kettle]

yes, you have the idea

[rugged sparrow]

nm just answering some funny questionnaire

[near prism]

This is real and true

[neon harness]

i dont see how any combination of those 3 types that you mention can mix into what i described, add try hard or something

[near prism]

Icic

Didya see my new itto build the other day? I'm like 30 spots away from top 1%

[rugged sparrow]

didn't I reply to it

[velvet inlet]

"tell me ayaka ayato raiden bennett isn't a good team?" curtern live steamer

[near prism]

Maybe? My memory is really bad I don't recall

[gaunt kettle]

you will still be considered as a "meta" player

[velvet inlet]

yep the misinfrom

[rugged sparrow]

😔

[neon harness]

how so?

[opal surge]

someone who uses off-meta characters can be a meta player?

[rugged sparrow]

get 300cv or dont talk to me

[opal surge]

We're bending the term a bit freely now or

[shrewd nacelle]

non-meta player

[near prism]

True I'll ping you next week then

[gaunt kettle]

i say "meta" in the sense of being into theorycrafting and finding the most efficient way to make use of every character

[neon harness]

yea lol

[rugged sparrow]

.

[neon harness]

but thats not tly meta is it, that sounds more like try hard

[near prism]

Oh also I think I pinged you for it but Jesus Christ Layla's cryo app is bonkers

16U in 24s

[rugged sparrow]

ye

[neon wave]

Don't call it "meta" then, divide it by main areas of interest and say "game mechanics/combat" "story" "exploration"

[gaunt kettle]

"meta" means maximizing the output of your teams, and if you decide to try hard certain units, then you are maximizing their output

[ripe robin]

well building your character optimally and pairing them with their most effective team mates is very meta (most effective tactic.) but for said character rather than in general because you like that character. A casual wouldn't care about optimizing their team greatly is probably what they mean

[opal surge]

Thats certainly not what meta means

[neon harness]

bruh i keep reloading right when i finish the domain

[gaunt kettle]

yes, you are spot on

[neon harness]

^

[rugged sparrow]

that's just contradictory though

[gaunt kettle]

"meta" is defined as "most efficient tactic available

[rugged sparrow]

why would you use unoptimized team and call it "meta"

[rugged sparrow]

it's just a coined term

[opal surge]

I mean its just arguing semantics right now but you are most definitely wrong in a semantic sense

Just use a different word

[shrewd nacelle]

character specific meta and not for abyss content

[velvet inlet]

meta = lazy efficient

[neon harness]

lol all im thinking rn are furus dancing mona videos

[gaunt kettle]

is it the "meta" for that specific team

[near prism]

Meta has no clear definition in a single player game
You can optimize for a character you like or for the best team available in your account

It's all about semantics

[neon harness]

like well built, clears abyss, cleary not meta, amazing strat

[rugged sparrow]

you wouldn't use Dori or Xinyan and call the team meta

[gaunt kettle]

you are thinking of meta in the sense of making the best possible teams in the entire game

[ripe robin]

but if you build an optimal team for xinyan for example, you can't really call it meta in a general sense

[gaunt kettle]

you are thinking of a different meaning of "meta"

[near prism]

No but you could use Dori fischl kazuha baizhu/nahida and call it a meta Dori team

[ripe robin]

well-built is probably the term you'd use rather than meta

[velvet inlet]

ehe

[near prism]

It's meta for Dori and for her teams

[gaunt kettle]

i am talking about if, say, you made a team with xinyan and made it as efficient and good as possible. this is the meta i am talking about.

call it try-hard, call it meta, but this is the general idea i am putting out

[neon harness]

this isnt the meaning of meta understood by most gensin players tho

[opal surge]

what if you make a yoi burgeon team for example

[near prism]

Hence, it's a matter of semantics

[opal surge]

to clear abyss with, is that meta or casual

[gaunt kettle]

it is a matter of semantics

[opal surge]

its definitely not yois best team even if you use your standard of meta

[neon harness]

hence why not just switch to a language that most of the community understants

[gaunt kettle]

so that we are on the same page, we will replace "meta" player with "tryhard", like someone else suggested

[near prism]

There's no definition for meta beyond "most effective tactics available", that can be for a certain char, for a certain roster or for a certain account

[gaunt kettle]

is everyone on the same page?

[near prism]

I am not the one who came up with the shitty labels don't look at me

[neon harness]

you are the one agreeing with them on the meaning/interpretation of such terms 🧐
welp not like i care much about it anyways, just bored

[gaunt kettle]

now that we have resolved the issue of semantics, let us continue on the conversation

[rugged sparrow]

"most effective/efficient tactic available" is again, just a coined term

[near prism]

The interpretation is just that, an interpretation

To say that there's only one and that you can't optimize for a bad character is just

[gaunt kettle]

i have a few more questions that i'd like to ask all of you in this chat

[rugged sparrow]

meta doesn't stand for that

[neon harness]

@haughty lotus when should switch back to emblem

[haughty lotus]

why would you switch back...

[near prism]

Jerry are we really gonna argue about semantics again I feel like we do this every other day

[rugged sparrow]

yes fuck you

[neon harness]

To say that there's only one and that you can't optimize for a bad character is just
i never said that ....?

[gaunt kettle]

my next question is as follows: do we think the so-called "sexual appeal" or power in game contributes more to how good a character banner sells?

[rugged sparrow]

what

[near prism]

Okay fucker let's go

[opal surge]

[rugged sparrow]

no but wait what's this question

[neon harness]

cus my nuevi is good and my xingqiu still cope

[rugged sparrow]

that came off from the left field

[neon harness]

idk what else to do

[gaunt kettle]

what aspect of the question confuses you?

[opal surge]

[haughty lotus]

doesnt matter dont go back

[neon harness]

so are u telling me to go to verm domain

[gray oxide]

Meta talk lol

[rugged sparrow]

Acu run

[neon harness]

i prefer you

[gray oxide]

I sleep

[haughty lotus]

marechaussee better fr real smg

[rugged sparrow]

ofc u do u filthy dendro main

[ripe robin]

All characters have sex appeal. What dictates pulling them or not evidently, is how good they are.

[rugged sparrow]

not necessarily

[near prism]

Ey dendro is fine

As long as it's tighnari

[opal surge]

are we forgetting some characters perhaps

[rugged sparrow]

"all characters have sex appeal" bro

[gaunt kettle]

📝

[gray oxide]

Yes i shall mind my own business and go have my delicious blubberbeast salad

[rugged sparrow]

there are literal children in the game 😭

[ripe robin]

Ahem most*

[velvet inlet]

bro children character exist

[copper mist]

Dori

[velvet inlet]

XD

[near prism]

There's also itto

[rugged sparrow]

abs

[near prism]

Noodle arms

[rugged sparrow]

there's also Diluc

[velvet inlet]

alhaitham

[rugged sparrow]

v1.0 hype looking ass, standard copers

[haughty lotus]

diluc has noodle arms he just covers them

[near prism]

Beeg pheonix

[rugged sparrow]

LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

[gaunt kettle]

thank you for the answers. however, so as to not spark more controversy in this chat, we will move on

[copper mist]

No 1.0 hate Jean is fine af

[neon wave]

Possibly, though I would call it general attractiveness probably more than "sex appeal"

[neon harness]

so true

[gray oxide]

He wasnt bad in 1.0, it was just the standards then being way too low

[neon wave]

there's always controversy in chat

[velvet inlet]

abs

[near prism]

Nerd

[rugged sparrow]

ik he's not bad (not even now) but I just want to piss void off so play along

[copper mist]

Bottucks

[ripe robin]

that would be wise

[gray oxide]

The standards for dps spiked on Hu Tao's release

[gaunt kettle]

my next question is: are there certain areas on the genshin map that can evoke nostalgia within a person?

[rugged sparrow]

Mondstadt

[gray oxide]

Xiao too but also not really

[neon harness]

yes

[neon harness]

^

[gray oxide]

Imean today you can call him shit and i wont disagree

[neon wave]

Depends on when they started playing tbh, mondstadt does nothing for me

[near prism]

Thanks my good ol friend Jerry you truly make my life worth living

[rugged sparrow]

i do it out of spite

[gaunt kettle]

and if so, may you all share places that evoke nostalgia for you?

[gray oxide]

Until there are more means for dragonstriking Diluc wont be better anytime soon

[velvet inlet]

desert ruin remind me of the time i play zalda

[gray oxide]

Hes like a Wanderer without his E

And pyro

And Faruzan

[gaunt kettle]

interesting

[near prism]

You couldn't have had a more cookie cutter shitty take

[neon harness]

mondstadt, liyue, sometimes the ghost island in inauzma

[neon wave]

Liyue crafting bench 💕

[gray oxide]

Elaborate

[neon harness]

surely dendro domain again

idk nahida kinda sus build

[gaunt kettle]

thank you for sharing these, i find it heartwarming

[near prism]

No thanks

[queen bobcat]

I feel like Mondstadt is a nostalgic place for everyone..

[neon wave]

you HAVE to be a bot

[gray oxide]

Means of doing dragonstrike without using characters that boost run spd would make him quite a bit better

[haughty lotus]

I'll allow it. No emblem tho bbg.

[gray oxide]

In teams that couldnt do that already

His plunge scaling is pretty huge

[gaunt kettle]

this possibility is not rule out of the equation

[ripe robin]

storm terror's lair, Tsurumi isalnd and this area of the chasm, that is about it

[copper mist]

Enka gives me nostalgia cuz I started playing on Enka patch, I kinda speedran the main quest to get to Enka and do the event and stuff

[neon harness]

idk, alot of the people ik yes but some people just arent as attached ig

[gaunt kettle]

again, thank you for sharing these places of nostalgia

[near prism]

Dstrike would be good, but it's neither his only way of improvement nor would he need it

[neon harness]

😔 damn u not letting fall down the embelm domain again?

also u sleep when

[near prism]

Anyways I yap enough about diluc as is ask @rugged sparrow or something he probably memorized half of my rants atp

[gray oxide]

What are the other ways

[gaunt kettle]

let me take a short intermission. in the meantime, can we all type "W blub" in chat; he has been a great support.

W blub

[neon harness]

hydro diluc surely :ehe :

[copper mist]

L blub

[rugged sparrow]

how did you manage to fuck that up i dont know

[gray oxide]

Nvm ill just @rugged sparrow

[jolly junco]

L bluc

[neon harness]

change name to bluc

[copper mist]

Furina will be diluc buff

[gray oxide]

Elaborate on his behalf

[near prism]

A proper cryo AoE applier for meltluc
Layla is there for meltluc in sgt but nothing for AoE yet

[haughty lotus]

L bluc

[rugged sparrow]

im WORKING madge

[near prism]

Also Frankly a better weapon

[rugged sparrow]

Ganyu ez

[warped oracle]

can you still get dream solvents from weekly bosses after defeating them a second time?

[ripe robin]

the city of mondstadt to me, is more of a tedious place, compared to city released alongside it, Liyue.

[near prism]

She works but it's kinda weird?

[copper mist]

Yes

[rugged sparrow]

it's just her req is ungodly

[warped oracle]

sweet

[gray oxide]

Idk abt the first one but this is agreeable

[near prism]

Yea more or less

[near prism]

I mean you don't need to know, I do

[gray oxide]

Altho the increase wont be that huge either way

[neon wave]

skill issue

[haughty lotus]

wdym second time

[gray oxide]

As in the increase between all BiS 5 star and the 2nd best option

[gaunt kettle]

ok, i am back, and it is time for my final question before i disappear for a while

[warped oracle]

like after you've done your weekly clear

[jolly junco]

you can only loot an individual weekly boss once per week

[near prism]

Got it the first time

But even so, saying he would need drsgonstrike to be competitive is silly

[velvet inlet]

you cant chaim reward until next week

[near prism]

I'll respect your opinion but I won't agree with it

[warped oracle]

ah ok

[gaunt kettle]

Final question: is the investment of money (at all levels) worth it in the end?

[gray oxide]

Not competitive, but it will be quite a bit better

The dstrike combos are much more motion value than the normal ones

[near prism]

Not exactly? They're better but they're not always more applicable

[velvet inlet]

i see my monthy welkin is just go there to support hoyo for quality game

[warped oracle]

yep... I know that

[neon wave]

buyers' remorse is only for people who overspend/fall prey to gacha tactics imo, I would hope most people are responsible/intentional with their spending

[neon harness]

nah
not imo but if you have the money and spending it on genshin makes u happy do what you want
its kind stupid to go broke for genshin lols

[near prism]

And more personal MV is not the only thing that matters when he's paired up w yelan or xq

[velvet inlet]

so yes it's worth it

[rugged sparrow]

the point is, while dstrike is better, Diluc is still competitive to other DPS wihout it anyway
dstrike isn't the only limiting factor

[gray oxide]

That i can kind of agree with

Altho idk abt their argument

[rugged sparrow]

like Klee has a longstanding bug with Kagura and CWOF
does it make her better? sure
is she competitive without it? absolutely

[gray oxide]

In the teams that increasing MV doesnt matter as much you alr have a good 3 other units

There arent really room for improvement either way

[gray oxide]

Oh what is the bug

[rugged sparrow]

you can get max stacks on both of them but it's been patched afaik

[gray oxide]

i am clueless to this

[rugged sparrow]

first rot only though but still, pretty substantial

something with your E having 2 charges fuckery

[gaunt kettle]

Thank you for everyone's contribution to the conversation tonight. I'd like to thank Memesicles, blub, GOOSE, Voidrev, Mona Megistus Enthusiast, rei, yozhe, and Sensi . Good tidings to you all, and I shall be back another hour.

[gray oxide]

Do you know what she is truly competitive at

[rugged sparrow]

like unironically or what

[gray oxide]

buffing a c6r5 Lyney

[rugged sparrow]

[gray oxide]

:run:

[velvet inlet]

i do have both klee and lyney at c0 triple crown

both are about the same power level

lyney will in win single target klee will win in aoe

[gray oxide]

I dont have Klee so i cant tell

[rugged sparrow]

Lyney has much more frontload so it's gonna depend on the matchup

[gray oxide]

I dont rlly know abt the AoE

Klee has better AoE should be obvious but is it that much better

From what ive seen her AoE is still small

[ripe robin]

No, Because gacha is very predatory, and it shouldn't be recommended, and if purchased the most you should pay for is a welkin or battle pass, nothing more than that. the fact that a person can sink thousands of dollars into this game within a single purchase to get the characters c6r5 shouldn't be considered a normalized nor an acceptable amount to pay on a game.

[near prism]

At c0 their frontload difference isn't big

[gray oxide]

Fine if you have a grouper, but Lyney's frontload has a bigger AoE than that

[near prism]

2 klee E is fairly big frontload

[rugged sparrow]

ye

[gray oxide]

Ig not really bigger per se

[near prism]

Faster

[gray oxide]

More like wider

[near prism]

Nah it's faster and more applicable

[rugged sparrow]

https://streamable.com/oz1f81 old vid

[velvet inlet]

if all of the mine hit that's alreadt 867% scaling

and she have 2 charge

with how kazuha can succ the mini bomb

[rugged sparrow]

am just thinking how am I gonna do abyss later after Wrio if I wanna run Klee and Wrio

[haughty lotus]

which one holds ttds? 🧐

[rugged sparrow]

ill shove a ttds up ur ass

[haughty lotus]

susge

[near prism]

Klee Benny xl kaz
Wrio w jean ig?

[rugged sparrow]

I mean, the Icewind Suite fucks have 90% cryo res

do I just try and bruteforce it

I see u @neon harness

[neon harness]

nu u

[neon harness]

😔

[velvet inlet]

just have shenhe silly

[rugged sparrow]

rel

[neon harness]

make klee support for phys rizzly

[marble finch]

what does this mean? i refined my weapon to phase 5 but it didn't work

or does it need to be 3 refined at once

[haughty lotus]

Where does it say refine

[marble finch]

i ascended them to level 50 and nothing happened

[haughty lotus]

That’s like phase 2

I’m pretty sure phase 5 is max

[marble finch]

what?

where do you even see the phase stuff on weapons

why not just say level 90

[narrow folio]

Look at the stars

Those are the phases

[hot spoke]

it's the Ascension phases

[supple iron]

whos is this weapong ood on

im guessing heiou but ciould be wrong

[near prism]

Use him on top half?

Slot in like xq or yelan for shieldbreak on shield break

[rugged sparrow]

but then my monopyro Klee 😔

[ripe robin]

heizou's power lays within skill damage, rather than NA. that weapon could potentially be used for neuvillete I imagine

[supple iron]

ok anyone else

causeee i dont have neuvi

[ripe robin]

maybe wanderer, if no wisdith

[supple iron]

oh cool i havent used wanderer ina while

[ripe robin]

what are you using on him as a wep?

[rugged sparrow]

Yanfei can use it well due to her ER req

for Wanderer, not so much unless c2 and you dont have many ER subs

[supple iron]

the jade one wait uhh

[rugged sparrow]

jade what

[supple iron]

twin nephrite

[stable oar]

Just got wriothesley, and have some left over primos since I got him early. Would it be better for me to get his weapon or his C1?

[supple iron]

mahybe weapon cause u GOTTA complete

the set

[copper mist]

His C1 is uhh pretty crucial honestly. His C1 makes his optimal attack combos HP positive, instead of HP negative.

The weapon banner is... Not amazing. Elegy is nice and it has favonius sword but the rest is really not that good

But you could also just save primos

[reef comet]

wrio is out?

welp, rip homa

what am i going to do with Furina?

support non fontaine character?🧐

if she's a crucial hydro support then ill pull for her

[stable oar]

Gosh damn

[supple iron]

i-

[reef comet]

as cope as your goblet

hp one

the 14% hp to be exact

i have nothing 🧐

[stable oar]

Time for widsith gameplay

[reef comet]

😔

i don't even have a electro character

nah, i don't use electro characters

no

[swift crown]

[steep aspen]

Guys does the chasmlighter achievement count the chests above and inside the chasm or only the ones inside?

[elder bluff]

both

[steep aspen]

Ty

[copper mist]

Why did bro listen to that guy and not me

[twilit sphinx]

can someone explain how kiraras shield works? other shielders dont have a "max shield absorption" (pic 1 is kirara, pic 2 is layla)

[copper mist]

True

[fallow yoke]

do you guys love wriothsl

i think he is a good people with layla barbara and hydro traveler

should i pull wriotherls or venti

i think venti is meh but he fly

considering i have a kazuha

[subtle drift]

he seems mid

[fallow yoke]

who

[subtle drift]

Wriothesley

[fallow yoke]

he looks punchable

but the first priority on me

how about his story quest

his personality so weird

but he looks like a joking people

and i think i have to pull him if i want to collect the trio fontaine

i need clorinde but i dont want wriothesler

[gray oxide]

@rugged sparrow did you got Wrio

i tried him in test run

constantly go bellow 50% HP

feels cringe

[rugged sparrow]

in few minutes yes, can't pull until I finished working

[reef comet]

no

[copper mist]

Yes his combos are HP negative until C1

You will slowly die

[reef comet]

hutao

[copper mist]

And if you use a healer you can't get below the threshold for the special CA lmao

So yeah his kit without C1 is actually cringe

[gray oxide]

yes

[copper mist]

Like genuinely badly thought out but it was probably on purpose

[gray oxide]

he consumes more HP than he heals back

[copper mist]

To make people spend for C1

They legit took a part out of his base kit and locked it behind C1

That's what it looks like

Cringe character I hope his sales suck

[gray oxide]

i alr suspected him being HP negative in my calc

[copper mist]

Hyv shouldn't be rewarded for this bs

[gray oxide]

but it felt more cringe than expected

when i try tanking hits

[copper mist]

And you're not even getting hit

Right

[gray oxide]

pre C1 Wriothesley has IR which is nice, but he still wants to dodge in a healerless team anyways

or few defensive option team

due to him not wanting to be bellow 50% as quickly as possible

[copper mist]

Yes you cannot play him with a healer or you give up on the special CA which lol that's like half his mechanics

Or you pull C1 and he actually works like he should

It's insane

[reef comet]

another bennett user mf

[copper mist]

No

He won't go below 50% hp with Bennett

[gray oxide]

not really

[copper mist]

I mean yeah it is still worth using Bennett probably but now you're ignoring one or both of his ascension passives

[gray oxide]

him with a shielder is fine

pre C1 the CA isnt that impactful tbh

[copper mist]

Shielder yea

[gray oxide]

50% CA dmg bonus is alot worse compared to 170% flat scaling on NA

plus you only get it once per 5s

[copper mist]

Yup but you gotta agree it feels like C1 should have been in his base kit

[reef comet]

i don't even know what his CA looks like, just fucking NA

[copper mist]

Making his "optimal" combos HP negative makes no sense

Giving him IR when people will have to run shielder anyway

[gray oxide]

why do i feel like 99% of your takes are taken from Zajef's video

[copper mist]

This is just true though

[gray oxide]

ok ngl

[copper mist]

Just HYV being scumbags

[gray oxide]

Wriothesley is competing with Wanderer on who has a more hideous non cinematic Q animation

[copper mist]

Lmao and yeah his burst xdd

Idk the rest of his cons anymore

Do they make his burst better? I think they do

[gray oxide]

he feels

nice ngl

[rugged sparrow]

his c2 is Wanderer's c2 basically

[gray oxide]

his NA metallic sound is pog

[copper mist]

Right that's what it was

Anyway I wish we could just skip this banner what a joke

Ayaka is freeze carry and it's debatable whether freeze is even Wrio optimal team

I feel like Wrio's best teams might be melt

[craggy turret]

Easy to spot🤣

[gray oxide]

in his dreams

[reef comet]

lol, wrio can just play with bennett, his ca suckass, 1/10 of his total NA dmg

[copper mist]

Unless you get C1

[gray oxide]

i like his gameplay

ill pull him in rerun tho

[rugged sparrow]

ok now pull

[gray oxide]

L

[rugged sparrow]

[gray oxide]

too slow

[copper mist]

Rerun

Hmmge

[gray oxide]

:kappa:

[copper mist]

I am def going for furina but not sure if I wanna go all in on her banner or just get C0

[gray oxide]

true

[copper mist]

Will wait and see Ig

[compact crest]

pls tell me this is worse on neuv than prototype and worse on wrio than widsith

[copper mist]

I have like 70 pity and guaranteed so it will just be a few wishes to get C0

[copper mist]

Yeah it is worse for both

[reef comet]

is it me or you guys feel like wanderer is doing more dmg than wrio

[gray oxide]

if you do feel like it then you arent wrong

Wanderer has better supports

[reef comet]

use wrio with shenhe :clueless:

[gray oxide]

Shenhe is meh

[copper mist]

Shenhe wrio baizhu xiangling

Real

[gray oxide]

Yun Jin is better

until Shenhe is C6 then Shenhe is better yes

[reef comet]

what wrio ca even do?

just self heal?

a practically worse hutao?

https://tenor.com/view/genshin-genshin-impact-klee-cope-gif-24462233

[copper mist]

CA deals increased dmg and heals yeah

He consumes a lot of his hp

If you don't do CA

you will die

[gray oxide]

self heal and 50% flat bonus

in his best teams he does not have an A1 passive until C1

[copper mist]

[gray oxide]

idk abt the Hu Tao comparison, he only get an enhanced CA once per an eternity

5s CD on the CA buff

[reef comet]

i mean, i couldn't careless, cryo is mid anyway

[subtle drift]

Ganyu shits on him

[reef comet]

all i can see is wrio is a more mid version of hutao

[subtle drift]

it seems like hes another dehya where his playstyle is locked behind cons

i swear its always characters that i love in terms of design and personality that get dragged through the mud

[reef comet]

then you must not like wrio, if people really like a character, they won't talk about how bad he is, genshin players have yet to evolve that far

[subtle drift]

yeah but i dont wanna pull for a character that i dont like mechanically

and since im mostly f2p, i like to use my primos wisely, I also wanted Arlecchino more so id rather just skip him for someone i want more since I hate his gameplay and mechanics

[craggy turret]

Then don't pull

[subtle drift]

defs not gonna

im just disappointed that hes this underwhelming

[gray oxide]

when a new mid character is released people compare them to irrelevant units i see

seems like ongoing trend

[reef comet]

that has been a trend since 1000000 bc

[gray oxide]

Hu Tao is completely irrelevant in the discussion

Ganyu ehh doubtge

[reef comet]

i'm just talking about the hp drain and selfheal

[gray oxide]

if so id rather compare him to Neuvillette

[reef comet]

so you're comparing hydro to cryo? hydro wins, no matter what

[subtle drift]

the only similarity between him and neuv is hp drainage

[gray oxide]

^

did people lost their ability to read

[lofty badger]

what artifacts should i place on faruzan?

[subtle drift]

both Ganyu and Wrioth have more similar comps

[reef comet]

neuv doesn't drain hp on E bozo

[subtle drift]

both are used in melt, both are used in freeze ig

[gray oxide]

pre C6 use whatever that has the most ER and try reaching 300% ER with 50% Crit Rate, C6 use Tenacity

[gray oxide]

he drains HP in small chunks rapidly and heals back 1 large chunk

[lofty badger]

so i can use emblem?

[gray oxide]

just like Wrio

[gray oxide]

yes Emblem 2p would be nice for the 20% ER

[lofty badger]

got it

[gray oxide]

any stats beside ER and crit is useless, btw use Fav

if for some reason you dont have Fav and no C6 Faru then either reconsider using Faruzan or ignore building crit rate

id recommend doing the former

[lofty badger]

alr

[gray oxide]

everyone has 1 Fav anyways, but thats if you got a unit that needs Fav more than her

[gritty ledge]

are there any viable sets for wrio other than the bis fontaine set that I can't remember its name

[subtle drift]

im guessing blizzard straya for freeze

[gritty ledge]

how about melt

[gray oxide]

Shimenawa

Bolide is okay if you use a shielder

altho Shimenawa is still better unless you have C2

Blizzard Strayer is ok in freeze but with his AoE freeze team kinda ehh

[gritty ledge]

can he get his burst back on fast or what

[gray oxide]

and his CA shatters so Blizzard can potentially outperform Marechaussee but maybe not in practice

[short temple]

Ok id like some opinions on a team im trying to build i just wanna hear if i need to change some stuff upThis is a aggravate team
Keqing (Main dps)
Nahida (Dendro support)
Bennet (Heals)
Sucrose/Venti (Crowd control)

[gray oxide]

do you use a second cryo

[gritty ledge]

yup I use rosaria

[gray oxide]

if you do its one burst per 2 rotation

[gritty ledge]

guess I will give him my klee's shimenawa then
blizzard domain annoys me for a reason that I can't even remember anymore.

[subtle drift]

wtf is Wrioths cons

[lyric cargo]

afaik the biggest damage share in aggravate comes from Fischl, with Keqing Yae or Sucrose as a driver

to include Fischl you'd have to consolidate slots or go healerless:

• healer in dendro slot: Yaoyao/Baizhu
• healer in anemo slot (only Jean for now, not great)

[gray oxide]

i saw Cyno

lol

[lyric cargo]

I hid him because he can't resummon oz

they should let him switch out without losing burst

[gray oxide]

good

[gray oxide]

you know what

this might be a hot take, but
i think he was originally intended to be played in HB

[lyric cargo]

probably, yeah

[gray oxide]

an aggravate carry

[lyric cargo]

getting em for more reaction damage from Nahida's burst

[gray oxide]

doesnt have big multipliers with mid ICD

plus Scarlet Sand gives him ATK

he was supposed to be a HB driver/trigger who also does personal dmg

[lyric cargo]

I wonder if quickbloom was intended. probably.