📌gimshim-help

[sick quarry]

...why?

[true storm]

Whats the best element team comp for Wanderer?

[gray oxide]

Imean it really depends

[neon harness]

1 kuki, 2 if raiden yaoyao

[gray oxide]

In the freeze teams that uses Shenhe Mona is better but

[haughty lotus]

you want fast single target hydro for hyperbloom, kok is slow aoe application

[neon harness]

But I don’t use a healer in my raiden hyperbloom and everything works fine

[gray oxide]

Not by much offensively

And defensively Kokomi is just better, and also alot less clunky

[lyric cargo]

Bennett, c6 Faruzhan, flex

usually Zhongli, he kinda wants interruption resist

[gray oxide]

Mona's hydro app being slightly delayed is cringe

[sick quarry]

my xingqiu and yelan are taken for my hu tao team

[true storm]

whats a good sub for faruzan mine c3 not built

[gray oxide]

In some situations the enemies move away from your AoE before you apply hydro and freeze them

[neon harness]

Ayato

[sick quarry]

Plus I will be onfielding kokomi

[true storm]

tho i have benny and zhongli

[gray oxide]

When it otherwise wont happen with Kok

[sick quarry]

I don't have him

I will have kokomi

[gray oxide]

Also get a Kok if yknow what im talkin abt

[neon harness]

Just get nilou atp tbh

[sick quarry]

I will probably be using a scuffed hyper fridge team that will still work anyway

Ganyu, Kokomi, Kuki, Nahida. Does it sound like it'll work?

[lyric cargo]

I'll check some resources.

For abyss, you should note that Wanderer without hyper investment is kinda weak though

[sick quarry]

I have R5 fav on ganyu and xiphos on Kuki so hopefully she can actually burst

[gray oxide]

Yea but tbh, id prob use XQ instead, and also, onfield Nahida

I suppose it can be nice for AoE HB

[sick quarry]

I am not putting my xingqiu on another team

[gray oxide]

But at that point prob use burgeon

[true storm]

im more towards making wanderer my exploring team just a wanderer that can destroy quick and farm fast

[sick quarry]

Well not for this abyss cycle anyway

He is stuck on my hu tao double vape team

[lusty tulip]

How much heals does Kokomi usually do with ohc and hp hp hb?

[gray oxide]

Fridgeburgeon dead archetype lmfao

[jolly junco]

join me and play kokoburgerloadoma

[sick quarry]

I still don't understand why on field nahida, she is squishier and more prone to being knocked around than kokomi

I don't have a shielder for this team

[gray oxide]

Its not that different either way, altho you can prob do fine in overworld either way

[gray oxide]

Dendro application

[lyric cargo]

half the reason for hyper fridge was that it makes bloom consume less dendro aura, tbh

with Nahida that's no longer relevant though, so it's just a comfort option to take less damage and not have to dodge

might as well run zhongli and get some more dendro res shred

[gray oxide]

Kokomi is kinda like

[sick quarry]

I don't have zhongli

[gray oxide]

Quite a bit worse over XQ

[jolly junco]

kokomi, fischl, thoma, nahida trust

[true storm]

tho i am planing to make my wanderer high investment as possible since i just got a lost prayers catalyst from standard right after pulling for wanderer

[gray oxide]

Burgeon fridge go

[sick quarry]

Xingqiu does not fit in the team at this time

So I really do want on field nahida? I'll try it

I can always test it out

I was just wondering before I got Kokomi

[lyric cargo]

ah. I'd just run wanderer hyperbloom if it were me tbh. 3 units for combat and an air taxi :]

[gray oxide]

You can ig but it doesnt make a difference either way tbh

[sick quarry]

I'm pretty sure I want on field Kokomi it just makes much more sense to me

[gray oxide]

Kokomi's hydro app is not at the insane level so usually its the same whether you onfield 1 or another

[sick quarry]

Yeah that's what I was thinking too

[gray oxide]

You can onfield Kok for the personal dmg

[true storm]

tignhari good for hyperbloom?

[gray oxide]

No

[true storm]

i skipped the nahida banner lmao

[neon harness]

🤭 if you want to onfield kok just go nilou bloom tbh tbh

[lyric cargo]

another option is to run like beidou for additional dmg and interruption resist

but I can't say how that compares to hyperfridge

[sick quarry]

Ah I don't have anything for beidou though

[jolly junco]

it sounds scuffed but it works

[sick quarry]

I don't have nilou 😭

[gray oxide]

Without Nahida id prob just not bother HB and play the quicken teams instead

[jolly junco]

you can on-field kokomi in this team

[lyric cargo]

his dendro application is too much at once, and he doesn't work well with the best hydro options (Xingqiu, Yelan)

[true storm]

is a full anemo team viable for wanderer?

or that just a gimmick comp

[neon harness]

Would beidous dmg be good with high er needs(I assume cus no fischl) on that team. I’m asssuming ur talking about kuki hyperbloom

[gray oxide]

Youd really want to stick in Bennett if possible, otherwise yea

[lyric cargo]

still looking at overworld, or for abyss?

[gray oxide]

Wanderer Faru Venti Bennett is a team id recommend for people trying to use Scara in AoE scenarios

[true storm]

mostly overworld my ganyu, hutao, eula can handle abyss

[keen willow]

Mmm my floor 11 team

[neon harness]

Hot

[gray oxide]

Shit shred squishy multiwave content fr

[true storm]

shameful eula

[neon harness]

Typical eula main cr

[true storm]

least favorite child even tho she has most potential lmao

[neon harness]

Eh

[gray oxide]

With that crit rate i wont say she has much potential

[lyric cargo]

Nahida Kuki Beidou Xq/Yelan was what I was running

mostly because Yelan or Xq was needed on the other side

in theory it makes the team better in AoE, with both her and Nahida triggering spread/aggravate on all enemies

it won't feel as good in single target

[true storm]

yeah lol idk dont have good luck in her domain had her since first rerun

[gray oxide]

Her dmg would still be alright

[neon harness]

🧐 how’s the Tao ganyu build looking

[true storm]

yeah 200k burst is aight if it hits lol

[gray oxide]

Your Beidou ER req will be sth like 220% or less

And if you use Raiden instead of Kuki

[true storm]

hehe

[gray oxide]

It goes down by alot

[neon harness]

[lyric cargo]

still with c4 Kuki?

[true storm]

my ganyu picture is sending shes msot invested lol

[neon harness]

Cryo goblet where

[gray oxide]

You gamble for the Q crit, i gamble for the Widsith DMG% buff, we are not the same

[gray oxide]

Yea, C4 Kuki adds like 3 more particles but like its off field so

Itsss alright ig

[true storm]

i asked alot of suggestions yesterday ended up with the same artis since i did like testing 3 arti sets ppl her recommended and my original set still did more dmg

[gray oxide]

Raiden generates as much as Fischl's Oz

Without const*

[true storm]

yeah my 28crit dmg goblet was an off piece so either i sacrifice alot of crit for the goblet or stick with attack gob

[gray oxide]

Actually nvm kinda just the same

[keen willow]

Well the cryo could still be better

[haughty lotus]

just use cryo goblet lol

[true storm]

so i thought i did like 2hrs of testing the difference yesterday and the melt diff was 3k over less crit rate

so i went with more consistent dmg with the attack gob

[jolly junco]

have you tried using the optimizer?

well I'm guessing no or you wouldn't test in-game

https://frzyc.github.io/genshin-optimizer/

[true storm]

never used it before thx

this coulda saved me time lmao

[jolly junco]

np, check the video tutorials though

it takes a bit of work to set up but once you have it set up it makes figuring out your best builds etc really simple

[true storm]

yeah i went on a full rant yesterday how hard af it is to test arti sets

like genshin should have like pre saved arti sets u can just equip on chars

[crimson thorn]

Idk how to build and idk what any of this means 😭

[true storm]

if u want dps observe the crit rate and dmg, the rest depends on the chars

[crimson thorn]

Thanks!

[fathom igloo]

hello

do i need to get a very good crit rate for eula

or focus on crit damage]

[true storm]

ofc

her dmg depends on her ult

[fathom igloo]

asking cause i want to use her this abyss

[true storm]

so better crit rate means better chances of ur burst actually doing smthn useful

[fathom igloo]

and she has a serpents spine, so idk

[sick quarry]

You also want a good amount of ER on her

So she can burst consistently

[true storm]

serpents spine is good

[fathom igloo]

what is the ideal %?

[teal dust]

depends on the team

[true storm]

her adn raiden are a match made in heaven

Eula with raiden u can just rotate bursts

[fathom igloo]

i kinda just threw in a bunch of characters tbh

i might pair her with childe & bennett

[true storm]

the crit dmg should be 2x of ur crit rate

[teal dust]

if you run her with a decent raiden honestly like 120% can be enough

[teal dust]

he was asking er

[neon harness]

Eula, nahhhhhhhhhh

[fathom igloo]

here actually lemme send my roster

[true storm]

ohhh

[gray oxide]

I think you can just check the guides in the pin sections for that

[true storm]

no need for childe focus on supporting eula

[gray oxide]

If there isnt prob have to ask here and it depends on the character

[fathom igloo]

• dehya & eula

[sick quarry]

Wow you have a lot of characters

[true storm]

u got good enough chars to clear abyss

[fathom igloo]

since 2.0

[sick quarry]

I've been playing since uh 2.6?

[fathom igloo]

i am a welkin buyer, that's it

[sick quarry]

But not super hard until recently

[fathom igloo]

i only spent money on raiden & hu tao

[true storm]

same my luck is overpowered tho

[fathom igloo]

not to mention

[true storm]

I had a 7 50/50 streak

8*

[fathom igloo]

dehya came after eula, so i have guranntee

[teal dust]

raiden eula mika bennett should be good enough

[neon harness]

What con Mika

[fathom igloo]

c2

[teal dust]

nvm

[fathom igloo]

sadly, i wanted a c6, got a dehya instead

[teal dust]

just run rosaria kek

[neon harness]

Eula raiden rosaria flex

[true storm]

then benny

[teal dust]

yuh

[fathom igloo]

not to flex but

one second

[true storm]

most ppl here have cracked accs they wont be phased by the flexes lmao

[true storm]

why

[fathom igloo]

yeah

[teal dust]

go farm

[fathom igloo]

i should

[true storm]

go farm

[fathom igloo]

i have literally almost 9999

[true storm]

i legit have 7 of those that im abt to spend tomm for wanderer and u have 161 lmao

[neon harness]

Diona and zhongli are ok flex units too, other than benny

[true storm]

eula doesnt rlly need zhongli since she rarely gets interrupted

[teal dust]

sure but that team needs some sustain and the 20% res shred from zhongli is pretty massive for eula teams since phys res is pretty common

[true storm]

just for me ig cause i do abyss i give zhongli to ganyu then have kokomi eula raiden on the other side

[neon harness]

Koko I………ok

[teal dust]

games too easy to run good teams anyways

[neon harness]

🤮

[gray oxide]

Res shred stack with phys res tho

Dont know why you need that much

[teal dust]

No one's saying you need it but it definitely helps when phys is the most resisted element

[fathom igloo]

quick question

[teal dust]

zhongli is still a great choice for that slot so I don't see the issue lol

[fathom igloo]

who should hu tao run in the bayss

[neon harness]

Whar

[jolly junco]

usually xingqiu and 2 flex slots

[teal dust]

I don't play hutao so

[neon harness]

Like what team? Xingqiu is always on her team

[fathom igloo]

i wanna do eula for one, hu tao for other

[gray oxide]

Imean just saying since at some point you can choose to forego getting superconduct in Eula teams

[fathom igloo]

i might drop ganyu on her side for mlet

[neon harness]

No dendro electro this f12 dredge

[gray oxide]

With something like triple cryo with Shenhe and C6 Rosa

[jolly junco]

you got venti?

[teal dust]

k

[jolly junco]

she works ig

[teal dust]

succrose

[jolly junco]

4pc tenacity and stack energy recharge

[neon harness]

So many double crit artifacts today, but such low rolls I ded

[reef comet]

So many def% mainstat with double crit everyday, I ded

[teal dust]

real

def scaling dps when

sorry, I meant to say

good def scaling dps when

[neon harness]

Lols

[haughty lotus]

Damn itto doesn’t exist

[reef comet]

Damn itto is bad

[gray oxide]

[halcyon flame]

out of context but for a couple of weeks i have been getting high ping (220-260). before this i used to get a ping of 120-180.. i even tried the 1.1.1.1 dns unforunately it didnt work...is there anything else that can fix this

[teal dust]

I wouldn't exactly say he's in a great spot

[gray oxide]

Ok

[haughty lotus]

ok

[reef comet]

kok

[gray oxide]

Maybe a problem with your internet service provider?

[jolly junco]

he's good, he's just restrictive when it comes to team building and good weapon options. not exactly 'f2p friendly' but good when you have everything

[teal dust]

He can certainly work with the right team but even then he's far from a premier carry

[umbral sedge]

Mfw

[teal dust]

But like I said this games too easy to care about good teams when abyss gets cleared with geo ganyu

[gray oxide]

Lets be real the only reason u play him is coz Ushi is a fucking menace

[jolly junco]

I mean as far as hypercarries go I think he's perfectly reasonable power-level wise

[neon harness]

not bad

[gray oxide]

Hes perfectly good tho

[teal dust]

yeah hes fine

thats all

[gray oxide]

His performance is relatively competitive and hes versatile

[gray oxide]

Hes as good as a hypercarry can get

[teal dust]

itto is like the least versatile carry in the game tho he basically needs monogeo?..

[gray oxide]

A c0 hypercarry* to all the Raiden simps

[gray oxide]

Versatile in the type of content he can be put against

Not in team building

He does decently in ST, decently in AoE, decently in multiwave

[teal dust]

Well he cant be put against content that features heavy elemental shields, geo can brute force through em but struggles and thats one half from both this and previous floor 12 where he gets taken out

[small blade]

Rosaria/shenhe instead of diona and Kazuha/vv instead of xingqiu

[gray oxide]

2 shields can be hard but 1 shield is easy

Put out Zhongli for a shield breaker

[jolly junco]

you also have a flex slot yeah

it's kinda itto, gorou, albedo, flex

[teal dust]

and idk if id call him competitive when c6 noelle is just barely worse in dps

[gray oxide]

Only Albedo and Gorou is crucial

[jolly junco]

she's more than barely worse

[gray oxide]

Its noticeably worse

[jolly junco]

she has bigger AoE but significantly less damage

[teal dust]

alright

[gray oxide]

Consider doing more research next time tbh

[jolly junco]

not yet

[gray oxide]

Helikopter vs Ushi?

[teal dust]

I got one thing wrong and said okay when I was corrected lul

[jolly junco]

ushi>>

[small blade]

Are you going for kok

[teal dust]

besides, itto is definitely still not competitive and flexible compared to other hypercarries

[gray oxide]

Respectable

[teal dust]

not any meta ones atleast lul

[faint linden]

I will try to get Rosaria this patch if I get lucky

[gray oxide]

He is the most flexible one interms of content versatility, deals solid dmg

What are u talking about

[teal dust]

most flexible bro what?

[gray oxide]

In the type of content it can be against

His only real downside is team versatility

[neon harness]

Yozhe sus

[gray oxide]

Oh yea in some cases multiple shield checks too

[teal dust]

Try bringing itto in second half of last abyss or first half of this one

[teal dust]

thats huge in abyss viability though

[gray oxide]

It isnt?

Like

Can he deal with the last one?

[jolly junco]

I've already seen someone 9* this abyss 12 with itto first half

[gray oxide]

Put him on first half

[jolly junco]

the sealege

[small blade]

Most hypercarry characters only have one team archetypes anyway

[gray oxide]

You havent seen mine

[teal dust]

no one is saying its not possible

but that doesnt mean its good

[gray oxide]

Also the last abyss he works on first half aswell

[teal dust]

i 9 starred with geo ganyu that doesnt mean im running around saying its a competitive team

[gray oxide]

That shit has few elemental checks

[gray oxide]

It is a competitive hypercarry team mister

[neon harness]

What team is geo ganyu I’m confusion

[teal dust]

ganyu albedo zhongli lmao

[gray oxide]

In this game you cant really compare hypercarries to the typical meta teams either way

[jolly junco]

gorou :clueless:

[neon harness]

No 4th unit?

[gray oxide]

All of them are just weaker

Exept for Raiden but needs c2

[teal dust]

yeah but it changes, this abyss i ran venti last i ran kazuha

[gray oxide]

Otherwise meh either way

What is your point tho

[olive isle]

i can’t question geo ganyu, i played signora ayaka

[neon harness]

Anyways 💀

[umbral sedge]

Same. I played melt ayaka

[gray oxide]

">50k dps team that can deal with most scenarios is suboptimal"

is it what youre saying

[teal dust]

Its why I say this games too easy to run good teams anyways

[neon harness]

Hot
Also hi whelaya

[olive isle]

Wheleyaya

[umbral sedge]

👋 Whelyunyun

[teal dust]

not at all what i said

[covert onyx]

Not genshin related but like. Free membership doesn't exist anymore or???

[teal dust]

I said itto isnt great

[gray oxide]

True, but its also a convenient excuse when you misjudged a character

"Game is too easy anw, why bother"

[teal dust]

that was word for word what I said

[olive isle]

yep, doesn’t exist

[neon harness]

no image loading for me I’m ded

[covert onyx]

I'm about to cry

[rugged sparrow]

hi

[teal dust]

excuse for what

[jolly junco]

thou hast been summoned

[teal dust]

i still dont think itto is a great character, which was word for word my original point so

[olive isle]

i can hear your cries for the impending 50 gb update on your phone, but you gotta invest on cloud gaming pc i guess

[gray oxide]

Not great as in not being a top meta team? True
Not great as a hypercarry? Doubt

[neon harness]

[gray oxide]

Its just how hypercarries are

[rugged sparrow]

that I have

[fleet tiger]

Should i pull for wanderer weapon or get c1

[teal dust]

sure, the first point lul

[gray oxide]

Theyre always worse than other units either way

[olive isle]

c6 Faruzan

[jolly junco]

if you wanna whalege for him a bit then keep pulling on his banner until you get c6 faruzan

[gray oxide]

Sure, gotta really fix those points tho

All the points you made about Itto are 🚮

[fleet tiger]

how does faruzan work?

[covert onyx]

My PC is too old for genshjn and my phone is 32x not 64x

[teal dust]

fix what points

[jolly junco]

do you have any ideas about wishing rituals for faruzan

[rugged sparrow]

cry

I got only 1 from 40ish pulls

[teal dust]

my point was that his teams arent competitive, that still stands, no one brought up hypercarry teams vs general usage teams except you

[jolly junco]

oof

[rugged sparrow]

and a c1 Diluc kms

😭

[gray oxide]

"Noelle's dmg is barely worse, Itto's content versatility is shit since elemental shields exist"

[rugged sparrow]

how's Noelle "barely" worse

[olive isle]

c6 Faruzan is the best buffer for Wanderer, as she gives him Anemo Crit DMG bonus, Anemo RES Shred, and you can run her with even lower ER (because pre-c6 made her run 300% er)

[gray oxide]

Does last abyss first half look likee elemental check to u

[rugged sparrow]

when Noelle needs c6 Gorou to compete with Gorou-less Itto

[teal dust]

second half was

[fleet tiger]

well i just have some gem from grinding the 2 sumeru maps and story, hangout so not really going too much if i miss i might hold to wait for 4.0 or try again

[teal dust]

and sure, I was wrong about noelle okay

[gray oxide]

Gotta be a sadist or a giant idiot to shoot yourself in the foot like that

[teal dust]

like I said i dont play noelle

[olive isle]

cloud gaming pc just asks you for wifi and you can play genshin even with military pc

[gray oxide]

1 other nice thing about Itto is that

He use characters that few other team uses

[jolly junco]

it's your choice, getting faruzan to c6 does make a pretty big difference for wanderer's damage. though if you don't care much about abyss and just want him for overworld/you like him, then it matters less

[teal dust]

exactly, when you can just run hyperbloom in like 99% of content

youre misinterpretting what im saying

[gray oxide]

Use a mono geo in first half and just cram the units that melt shields on 2nd half

So it isnt really an issue

[fleet tiger]

ohh so just burst and swap for her? i don't really like her combat talent work so i didn't read any of her talent description

[gray oxide]

Whats the point mentioning the last abyss 2nd half when the first floor is elemental check free anywaysM

[teal dust]

no one is saying itto cant be played for 99% of content like what youre trying to make it seem like im saying, but his team isnt any more flexible compared to other meta teams out there like for example hyperbloom that you can just run for like 99% of content

[jolly junco]

usually you e>charged shot>q at low constellation faruzan and eq or just q at c6 faruzan

[teal dust]

how is an itto team specifically more flexible than the average meta team

[gray oxide]

By that argument every team can be as long as there isnt an elemental check

[fleet tiger]

ohh i just want wanderer to have better dmg not really for abyss but if he is build i will use him for abyss so just wondering is c1 better or the weapon

[teal dust]

EXACTLY

[jolly junco]

you should just try to pull for more faruzan copies, so his banner

[fleet tiger]

ohhh so c6 faruzan just burst you don't have to e charge anymore?

[gray oxide]

The meta hyperbloom variation specifically falls off noticeably due to its lack of AoE damage

[jolly junco]

correct, though e can still be useful for proccing fav

[gray oxide]

Hyperbloom itself is ST locked, the good hydros to be used are ST locked

[umbral sedge]

@olive isle Emerald is out?

[olive isle]

before c6 faruzan, you use skill with a bow, which is really slow and it makes smol energy.
but with c6 faruzan, you just use burst and the burst will do the skill for you without pressing skill and shred tons of buffs and debuffs

[olive isle]

yea, just last week

[umbral sedge]

It never was and it never will be

[gray oxide]

Itto has the advantage of having decent ST damage, decent AoE coverage, so you arent like grieving from not using him in the right situation anyways

[fleet tiger]

ohh i have c2 faruzan at lv 1

[umbral sedge]

[olive isle]

you can still play genshin and slap endgame even with the 8 free characters

[gray oxide]

Imagine putting hyperbloom against first half this abyss

[jolly junco]

yeah if u care about wanderer's damage for abyss in the future then just keep pulling on his banner to try and get c6 faruzan. this current weapon banner sucks as well

[teal dust]

you literally can tho

[gray oxide]

12-1-1 ST locked dmg go brrr

[gray oxide]

Is it optimal compared to 2nd half with fewer enemies? No

Literally the same thing as "try to use Itto to deal with last abyss 2nd half"

Optimal compared to using him on 1st half? No

[olive isle]

they’re just premium units, you need solid investment and vital game knowledge to bypass even with just barbara with 1 star catalyst

[gray oxide]

Well imean i have nothing against sadists

[teal dust]

its not optimal but on average the team still performs more effectively than itto in more content

[gray oxide]

If you like to, feel free

[gray oxide]

Define "average team"

[teal dust]

I didnt say average team

[fleet tiger]

ohh i know that kokomi wep is only useful to her but what about wanderer weapon currently using R5 The Widsith

[gray oxide]

There is 1 thing ill say

Versatility sure is underrated

[olive isle]

if i mean investment, i mean time investment when it comes to building optimal artifacts, proper craftables, and many more

legend items what

it took me a month to get up in ar 50 and slap the abyss with barely any event exclusives and 1 month fresh

[fleet tiger]

i mean lisa is kinda stonk

[jolly junco]

it can be used on some other characters but it's only really that great on him

[olive isle]

Lots of game knowledge

[jolly junco]

and even then wanderer's signature isn't that good compared to a lot of other 5* signature weapons

[gray oxide]

Lol argument died

[fleet tiger]

Strong.

[gray oxide]

Well perhaps it is for the better

[teal dust]

yes because the video of poor hyperbloom team taht only works in single target is loading

[olive isle]

i only take the necessities so i kept my stamina around 208

[jolly junco]

its gacha time

[fleet tiger]

kaeya is not bad if you use him for elemental reaction

[fair hazel]

...Well, that was the most underwhelming gacha experience yet. Roll 40 times on the wanderer banner to see what I get, result is 4x Yanfei (already was at C6)

[covert onyx]

Alright

[teal dust]

Such terrible conditions for hyperbloom that it still clears in 1:15 on mobile of all things @gray oxide

[fleet tiger]

i mean the game main focus is about mixing and matching elemental reaction so maybe in that direction they are stronger

[fair hazel]

I was hoping to hit at least 1 Faruzan so I could possibly get to C6 on her along with C1 wanderer, now I 100% won't get C6 faruzan so probably don't want to get the wanderer constellation either

[olive isle]

and those websites are game8

[gray oxide]

Would have been better if its used in 2nd half

Also should have used Kuki Q for faster seed trigger

A single target locked team can only do so much

Well its still good either way

Since hyperbloom has such a high floor to start with

[teal dust]

I agree, but even in suboptimal conditions where you yourself said it wouldnt work it still probably performs better than an itto team, this is literally the stage you said it would struggle in the most it still performs fine, thats why I said its much more flexible

[olive isle]

i did, and i spent welkins just to make up for my 1.2 - 1.5 inactivity

[gray oxide]

Imean if you consider that cleartime impressive then sure ig

[honest skiff]

Question, im still on previous banner does anyone know if i wish will i get the new banner characters or the previous ones? im staying cause i want one more 5* from previous banner

[fleet tiger]

Yeah, try building pyro and cryo you can see the dmg

[olive isle]

but i started a fresh account then swiped to ar 50 in a month

[jolly junco]

W

[gray oxide]

Have no obligations against that but might aswell try and see how Itto does

[teal dust]

No one said the cleartime is impressive, but its far from bad on what you specifically said was a suboptimal floor for it on mobile of all things so not sure why youre bringing it up

[gray oxide]

Tbh just try out the team first

Sense a servere case of underestimating AoE scaling and hyperbloom brainrot

[olive isle]

it's irrelevant to show my character roster because we're arguing that genshin as a whole is f2p

[teal dust]

bro what are you talking about

[gray oxide]

Just go try Itto out

[teal dust]

thats literally not the point

[fleet tiger]

wdym

[gray oxide]

It wont work when i say that it does better either way

[teal dust]

the point was you said hyperbloom was less flexible because it could clear aoe heavy floors

[gray oxide]

You can make an argument for Itto to be better this abyss tho

[teal dust]

nothing to do with itto being faster

[gray oxide]

Only 1 real single target chamber

[teal dust]

bc thats literally not the point you were making

[fleet tiger]

LOL i only top up in genshin in 1.0 to get venti but after that i'm f2p until now so i don't understand what is p2w about this

i only upgrade characters i want to play and i grind arti domain so extra arti i will just destroy/sell away so that is my source of income HAHAHA

[gray oxide]

the point i made is that its potential is not hurt by the situation being different either way

[dense coral]

Free 2 pay

[earnest bone]

Who do i use scara weapon i have 2of them (i have no scara)

[olive isle]

below are dehya and aloy which are both not meta-relevant

[gray oxide]

While hyperbloom do recieve a big dip in performance

Funny thing is, its still strong enough at low constellations to brute force chambers though

[fair hazel]

Qiqi C5

[gray oxide]

Thats 1 big strength of hyperbloom

[olive isle]

since release

[teal dust]

thats exactly what im saying

who cares if its performance is worse if its still strong enough to perform well in suboptimal conditions

[olive isle]

09/28/2020, but i started 3-4 days after the release

[gray oxide]

Its performance will be diminished either way, which is pretty stupid considering that it could have been put in a better situation

Tell me

Are you stupid or masochistic enough to use Itto against the shield checks when there is a shield free half

[fleet tiger]

how do you get this list including consta

[gray oxide]

Thats the only thing im asking

[olive isle]

hoyolab's battle chronicle

[gray oxide]

Answer it, and ill leave you alone

[teal dust]

you mean first half of this abyss?

[gray oxide]

The last half

Which was brought up by you

That Itto cant do that

[teal dust]

ahh nah ofc not why would i

[gray oxide]

Last abyss i mean

[reef comet]

C5 qiqi must have changed your life so much

[gray oxide]

Now you get the point

Hyperbloom happens to be very strong thougj

[olive isle]

qiqi was the first character to come in 9 pulls in the standard

[gray oxide]

So i give you that

Its strong enough to brute force non ST chambers, altho you cant really bring that comparison for other teams

[reef comet]

Back when she is the meta?

[gray oxide]

A hypercarry can only do so much

[teal dust]

I agree

[fleet tiger]

this is mine i've played since 1.0 as well i only top-up once for venti cause i was dumb and use my gem on standard so i had to top up to get venti afterwards i have nv top-up ever

[gray oxide]

For a hypercarry team to have the standard dps for most good single target teams while still having good AoE

[teal dust]

Its not ittos fault hes a hypercarry but at the end of the day he is

[gritty hearth]

give me nahida so i can get full archon team

[gray oxide]

Is already too good to ask for

[teal dust]

right but thats the thing, you're assessing it in comparison to other hypercarry teams

[olive isle]

jean, tartaglia, xiao, diluc, kok, ayaka, qiqi, klee

[gray oxide]

Well its how it started isnt it

[teal dust]

I specifically mentioned I wasn't talking about just hypercarry teams

[fleet tiger]

maybe but tbh i've never used her kinda had losing hp so don't really like her style HAHAHA

[gray oxide]

Since every hypercarries have similar single target dps

[teal dust]

twice, because you were the only one that mentioned hypercarry originally

[olive isle]

farm baguette region i guess

[gray oxide]

I did mentioned for quite a few times

[fleet tiger]

left or right? both is geo

[olive isle]

back then when we trusted genshin.gg for tier list

[gray oxide]

Comparison is weird, and there is only so much to expect from a hypercarry team

[gritty hearth]

im saving to get r5 sobp and c2-c3 klee already

[gray oxide]

Ill be constructive, dont be too bold about the teams or characters you dont play

[olive isle]

i still have average luck

as of now you can get 220 pulls from fresh account if you explore the whole region, which is enough for 3 5-stars and some 4 star goodies

[fleet tiger]

ohh he is more of a off field dps he is quite strong tbh just throw your e/elemental skill down and swap to your main dps every 2 sec you hit someone within the circle will prompt geo dmg mine hit around 10k to 20k

[gray oxide]

Points dont really make sense either way

[teal dust]

So if this whole argument just boils down to saying "Itto isn't in a bad spot, hypercarries are", then sure, as a xiao player I agree, but to me that doesn't change the fact that itto is a hypercarry

[neon harness]

Hot

[gray oxide]

Itto teams are just good in general

[fleet tiger]

HAHAH maybe try doing some research whether they are main dps or sub or support maybe that's why you flop hard

[gray oxide]

Might look at the competitive speedrunning team such as international

Which only has an on paper dps of about 40k

[neon harness]

lol how long has it been, we still on the itto topic damn

[gray oxide]

While Itto has 55k ish

[gritty hearth]

i joined in 1.1

[gray oxide]

Its not a fair comparison either way but

[olive isle]

even with that amount of 5 stars, your main issue is going to be resource management

[fleet tiger]

wtf c6 eula

[gray oxide]

Imean nvm, might aswell just say this

Itto teams are better than the average hypercarry teams because it isnt a hypercarry team

[gritty hearth]

i think i might bench her , i like klees playstyle more

[teal dust]

I mean no one called it a hypercarry team until you did

hypercarry was never part of the argument, it was just assessing itto teams in in reference to other teams in general

[olive isle]

just wait for 🥖 region to come out in three weeks and you def have enough pulls

[fleet tiger]

i wanted to get her but kinda lazy to commit to her and her playstyle is quite troublesome for someone like me who just wanted to burst/skill and swap

[neon harness]

Baguette sword when

[gray oxide]

No one called Itto irrelevant because Noelle exist until you did

How did comparing a hypercarry to a hypercarry with inferior damage helps

[teal dust]

and I already backtracked on that point yet you keep bringing it up

[gritty hearth]

all characters come back except for aloy

[olive isle]

they will always come back. unlike dehya and tighnari which was moved to the standard banner

[fleet tiger]

and endora

[gray oxide]

Having a taste of your own med mustve been good

[teal dust]

I already said I was wrong about that multiple times so literally what do you want me to say

[neon harness]

You never know, look at kekqingbanner 🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭🤭

[teal dust]

What medicine? I have no problem with admitting I was wrong about something and moving on lol

[gritty hearth]

all characters come back , whoever told u hu tao wasnt coming back was lying

[olive isle]

it's a bad move for hoyoverse to feature a 5-star standard banner

[neon harness]

Fr tho will nari and dehya weapon ever come back

[gritty hearth]

qiqi banner when

[fleet tiger]

HAHAHA i got mine both from standard banner i just waited for them to be in them and tried and i got it once after the patch for both LOL

[gritty hearth]

didnt dehyas weapon come back alrd

[gray oxide]

To get a more clear insight of Itto teams in general

[olive isle]

genshin is leaked to have their own simulated universe and their weapons can be traded with paimon bonds and free refines

[neon harness]

It’s a joke, cus there was once a keqing banner

[neon wave]

Multiple people were lying then

[gray oxide]

Everything do seem inferior when you compare it to hyperbloom though

Like why is the point about his flexibility brought up anyways

[gritty hearth]

i mean , if u go only weapons ur not gonna have anyone to use them on

[gray oxide]

Why specifically the last abyss 2nd half

[neon harness]

Most of the time yes, until you have enough characters that all the other ones are side grades that’s when weapons becoming more important for ur acc

[gray oxide]

I brought up hyperbloom to elaborate the difference in performance under AoE vs ST situations

[teal dust]

because you literally said flexibility was one of itto team's strength

[olive isle]

yea, some weapons from your pulls can be best in slots with certain characters

[fleet tiger]

clear prove that genshin is not p2w

[gray oxide]

Its not like hyperbloom can deal with 12-1-2 first half

On last abyss

[neon harness]

Not that I know of

[gritty hearth]

or if ur a whele and spend 1k+ every patch for c6 r5

[gray oxide]

Just

Elaborate on this

Thats all ill ask for before keep going

[olive isle]

well if you have event exclusives, better not to leave them alone... or start a new game in the same account, diff server

[gray oxide]

Like

Magically kill the shields by poise dmg?

[olive isle]

asia, america, europe... you don't know those stuffs?

[fleet tiger]

i think other than endora and aloy i don't think there is any exclusive stuff

[teal dust]

I literally posted a clear last abyss of 36 stars with hyperbloom on second half

[gray oxide]

That was not what i am talking about
Im talking about your argument that Itto doesnt work on last abyss 2nd half coz of shield check

Tell me

How do you deal with the cryo shields

That should be simple

[teal dust]

I had an in depth conversation on this same channel about running ER kuki so she could burst on cd to clear the cryo shields in time lol

its still there if you dig for it with the seach feature

[gray oxide]

I might aswell dig that up since that shit about his versatility is brought up by this cringe argument either way

[teal dust]

and it worked so idk what u want me to say

[gray oxide]

Elaborate further

[olive isle]

festering desire, windblume ode, dodoco tales, luxurious sealord, cinnabar spindle, aloy, oathsworn eye, fading twilight, missive windspear, toukabou shigure, mailed flower, 3.7 tighnari/ganyu melt bow idk

[gray oxide]

hurt your HB dmg by building less EM for ER to deal with shields?

Might aswell just, yknow

Run it on first half

[teal dust]

yeah thats exactly what I did lol

yeah but the point at the time was just proving you could use hyperbloom for second half

no ones saying it was optimal but it cleared and it 36 starred which was all I was trying to do at the time

[gray oxide]

We argue for different reasons i see

If that is so might aswell say it at the start

Why use the long way of saying that

Itto isnt good because he cannot deal with shields when HB is the same thing

[teal dust]

except hyperbloom actually cleared

[gray oxide]

You grief your own dmg to deal with situations youre not supposed to be clearing either way

[teal dust]

but it still cleared

while itto didnt

[gray oxide]

So can Itto teams

Remove Zhongli, place in Bennett

[teal dust]

I don't think it has enough shred for the 3rd chamber

hyperbloom destroys third chamber once you get past the cryo heralds

[gray oxide]

True

[teal dust]

maybe im wrong but I honestly doubt an actual itto team wouldve cleared in time

[gray oxide]

But it will struggle a lot in first chamber

So might as well not

Here is 1 thing though

Play Itto team on first half

You free up Xiangling Bennett and XQ

Which apparently is pretty broken for 2nd half

Last abyss ofc

Loose versatility in his own team in exchange for not using the supports that every meta teams uses

Might aswell say this before i dip since shit is going nowhere

Im fine with people being a masochist

But if you prefer taking it easy

[neon harness]

I’m surprised you haven’t dipped already, it’s been hours

[gray oxide]

Dont bring in that argument

[teal dust]

I mean this team did the same so im not sure thats really a huge strength

thats not something unique to just itto, its just any team that doesnt use national

[gray oxide]

Grassional? Indeed

[fleet tiger]

[gray oxide]

Imean

You look at Hu Tao, shes alot more ST focused

To make her work in AoE requires very good coordination

[teal dust]

your point was a clear without using national to save it for second half, which is what geo ganyu did in first half

[gray oxide]

Not like you cant make it work but Itto's AoE will make it easier

And realistically

Itto might perform better

[vague fulcrum]

got a lot more characters since last time, i just feel like my damage is sorta lacking so i just came for help

[gray oxide]

That is interesting, lets ask another question

Your 2nd team is perfectly fine

Any team given enough investments to work will work

But assuming you have similar investmenr

[faint linden]

Will this team be good enough I got Rosa and kok just now

[gray oxide]

Would you rather run an optimal or sub optimal team

For first half

[faint linden]

Anyone?

[teal dust]

I think you're asking that question to the wrong person considering I just told u I cleared first half with geo ganyu and brute forced hyperbloom in second last abyss

[sick quarry]

Is there a way to increase scaramouche flying stamina

[gray oxide]

If the argument is just that

"With enough investment any teams can clear"

Then why does powerlevel matter

[neon wave]

any other anemo instead of faruzan? she's not useful in that team

[vague fulcrum]

dawg im ar 40 and i wanna level up my characters but these level 70 bosses keep handing my ass 😭

[olive isle]

do you have other anemo characters?

[gray oxide]

I kinda dont get that 1 but ok

[faint linden]

No

[gray oxide]

Ill leave it

[small blade]

You can do something like Kokomi, Kazuha, Kaeya, Rosaria. Make sure to lvl talents and weapons too

[gray oxide]

Apparently it got more cringe

[faint linden]

I don't have any other anemo but have c2 far lol

[olive isle]

you gotta learn how to manage your resource properly

[teal dust]

It wasnt, the argument was that with enough investment hyperbloom can brute force second half of last abyss but an itto team cant

[small blade]

Try co op

[gray oxide]

Misinterpreted my example i see

[teal dust]

and even that wasnt really what the argument was about, it waas just one point that you hyperfocused on

because thats all youve been doing

[neon harness]

[gray oxide]

Nothing can be done about it, was my mistake that i take the most broken c0 ST team for comparison

[vague fulcrum]

ill try that and see how it goes

[gray oxide]

But the point is made either way

[olive isle]

not the pity, it's how you spend your exp books and prioritizing your characters

[high fog]

Is the new banner at 5 or 6pm est on na

[small blade]

That team isn't gonna do well against bosses

[faint linden]

Can I ask what does Rosaria will do and how to build her

[gray oxide]

Thats how the argument started after all

[vague fulcrum]

thats a shame

[neon wave]

Ar45 doesn't take very long honestly so not really

[gray oxide]

Without that statement it wouldnt have happened

[neon harness]

Depends on team but she mostly batteries

[faint linden]

Any buff?

[neon harness]

She is a burst reverse melt dps for some other teams tho

[neon wave]

A month or two is nothing in genshin terms

[vague fulcrum]

i want something thats just kinda average on both ends for clearing hordes and bosses

[neon harness]

She can use nobless, c6 has that phys dmg thing, cr buff

[olive isle]

start with 1, then your character's supports. focus the other team once your core team carries enough to spearhead through content

[gray oxide]

Is it so strange that the best single target team requires less investments to brute force a suboptimal situation than a weaker one

[teal dust]

it really wasnt

[gray oxide]

[faint linden]

Man I thought she was great

[teal dust]

yeah bc dendro was a mistake

[gray oxide]

It wasnt, Nahida was

[neon harness]

She is great, for some teams

[faint linden]

Mine?

[gray oxide]

You have only seen hyperbloom being talked about after Nahida

[vague fulcrum]

i completed it at ar 36 or smth 😭

[hollow folio]

and another 50 50 won still need kokomi tho 😭

[gray oxide]

Lets be real, before Nahida the best ST variation was Sucrose XQ Fischl DMC

[neon wave]

If you don't enjoy it then don't force it, I'm just saying it's a normal amount of 5* for a f2p. A month or two is like 3 or 6 banners

[gray oxide]

No one bothered it

[teal dust]

hyperbloom was pretty meta before nahida dropped, it wasnt as strong but everyone was still playing hyperbloom with dmc

[neon harness]

I thought u were talking about rosaria

[faint linden]

Yes I am

[hollow folio]

yo @gray oxide do i have to complete the entire fucking story line of tighnari before i can do the event??

[faint linden]

Is she good or meh for my team

[gray oxide]

All i can say is that you underestimated how much better dendro transformative reactions become after Nahida

[high fog]

Kuki carried hyperbloom

[neon harness]

Did you already send ur team? Cus I didn’t see it

[gray oxide]

Hyperbloom became a lot lot better

[teal dust]

Nah I agree nahida is a ridiculous unit

[neon wave]

I don't think it's that hard though and a lot of 4* can carry as well

[teal dust]

hyperbloom in general is still strong without nahida tho

thats all I was saying

[gray oxide]

Simply because her dendro application is enough that you can use a double hydro with it and still get good dendro uptime

[faint linden]

She sent a long ago so you might have not seen it

[neon harness]

She’s good, but remove faruzan for kazuha>venti>sucrose

[hollow folio]

the diff with nahida is all the damage u do to 1 person without her u do to 7 enemys at once

[gray oxide]

Imean ill be honest

[faint linden]

If I only could

[olive isle]

getting the 5 stars are hard but again you don't need them. what matters most is you use the https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Genshin_Impact_Wiki to give you an idea on how to pass through the game as quick as you can

[neon harness]

😔

[craggy turret]

Not that hard. 4 stars work too

[umbral sedge]

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[gray oxide]

Its like Wanderer with c6 Faruzan or worse level of dps

[neon wave]

sure

[faint linden]

Hey what kind of weapon and mainstat in artifact should I use with nobless

[gray oxide]

It was not meta until Nahida

It was balanced

[neon harness]

Cr and er for rosaria

[teal dust]

I don't have a wanderer so I'll take your word on the comparison ig

[neon harness]

Give rosaria fav too

[faint linden]

Xinqiue carried me bro

[gray oxide]

Imean just whip up gcsim if you really wanna compare dps only in ST

[neon wave]

what event?

[craggy turret]

Wonderful😂 raise talents

[faint linden]

Goblet?

[hollow folio]

that big one rn

[neon harness]

Yes, you rely on full team

[neon harness]

Cryo

[gray oxide]

I suppose look at it this way

[neon wave]

there's good 4* teams yes, but by the time you reach end game you're bound to have several 5*

[faint linden]

Ok and weapon?

[gray oxide]

Without Nahida's on field dendro app, at the time no dendro units can overpower their hydro aura being a solo dendro

[neon harness]

There are hypercarry teams, but you still want to invest in the supports

[neon wave]

lol genshin is a team and reaction game, you're self sabotaging

[olive isle]

i don't like to be straight up cold and rude but

Skill issue.

yea just stop by here often and we consult your early game builds

[gray oxide]

So you end up with terrible seed generation with that core

[neon harness]

[neon wave]

You can quick start it

[umbral sedge]

Skip dialogue button when

[faint linden]

Hey Kon what weapon

[gray oxide]

With Nahida it is possible to run double hydro(the most broken ST duo) while still having good dendro aura uptime

[faint linden]

Kon?

[neon wave]

they probably had better investment and better motor skills lol

[gray oxide]

This also results in a lot of seeds being generated, thus, triggers like Raiden becomes favorable

[neon harness]

Lol, for rosaria, fav

[neon wave]

you gotta be patient give people more than 3 seconds to answer

[gray oxide]

Since they are both off field which allows Nahida to drive for the extra dendro needed, as well as having fast proc rate

That wasnt possible before Nahida

[faint linden]

Ok thanks bye

[vague fulcrum]

will xiangling do me any good even if shes c2

[teal dust]

yeah but people use to just play a single hydro applie like koko with dmc

[gray oxide]

Like idk you use fucking Tighnari for as fast dendro application?

[small blade]

If you have bennet

[olive isle]

xiao, arataki itto, wanderer, blade, seele, jing yuan, master yi, bel'veth, fiora, riven

[neon wave]

if you have bennett, absolutely

[neon harness]

Name some hypercarry teams?
Xiao anemo battery flex flex
Raiden Benny c6 Sara kazuha
Itto gorou flex flex

[gray oxide]

Yup, and it was decent back then

You can say its good in ST

[neon harness]

Those are the only ones I remember rn, there’s more tho

[gray oxide]

But Nahida raised the baseline by a lot

[small blade]

Not again

[gray oxide]

Sensationally broken

[hollow folio]

team with wanderer?

[teal dust]

i agree, nahida op

[faint linden]

Hey is highly atk based fischl good then some em plus atk fischl?

[neon harness]

Did u build him? Lol

[neon wave]

almost every hypercarry wants investment and supports to perform well

[neon harness]

Send build

[hollow folio]

only lost 1 50 50 😏 and got another 1 1 pull later

[gray oxide]

[faint linden]

[gray oxide]

Prob shouldnt have used the most broken team to elaborate on ST locked teams in AoE

[faint linden]

Send build

[gray oxide]

[small blade]

Wanderer, bennet, faruzan, dehya

[faint linden]

Don't change the topic give the Fucking itto build

[gray oxide]

If you look at it in some perspecyive

[hollow folio]

yh and what bennet 💀

[olive isle]

wanderer, faru- you have no thoma and bennett
anw

[neon harness]

Like Overworld teams? Nahida and yelan are great Overworld

[gray oxide]

It is because hyperbloom doesnt scale further after you have c2 Nahida

[faint linden]

Anyone ans my question

[gray oxide]

So its a high floor but that floor is very close to its ceiling

[neon harness]

It’s possible obviously, Overworld is easy,

[neon wave]

again, genshin is a team game. character's power level heavily depends on what supports you surround them with

[olive isle]

beidou, fischl, baizhu, wanderer
try this

[faint linden]

[gray oxide]

while other teams just have a higher ceiling but a lower floor

Its even more so for hypercarry teams tho

[neon harness]

Any well built dps can do that

[neon wave]

about fischl? can you send the build? she likes atk but she wants crit as well

[gray oxide]

Well

Ill drop it now

Ive said enough

[olive isle]

show me your build 🤨

[gray oxide]

Also @jolly junco 🐳

Did u get c2 Wanderer

Gotta get ready to whale react

[olive isle]

can wait

[hollow folio]

this good for ganyu?

[umbral sedge]

@jolly junco 🐳 🐳 🐳 🐳 🐳 🐳 🐳 🐳 🐳 🐳 🐳 🐳 🐳 🐳 🐳 🐳 🐳 🐳 🐳 🐳 🐳 🐳 🐳

[olive isle]

you too btw

[gray oxide]

Well imma go sleep now

If he reply just tell him to ping me and ill see it tmr

[umbral sedge]

[hollow folio]

dayyuum

[umbral sedge]

Nighty Nick

[olive isle]

60

[waxen helm]

^

[neon wave]

60 is max

[waxen helm]

lol whar

[hollow folio]

would it be possible to play a team with wanderer and fischl(c6) and yae i really dont have the good pyro chars just xx (c6)

[neon wave]

55 to 60 takes like a year and a half

[umbral sedge]

Yeah

[jolly junco]

Yea

65k burst ticks poggies

[umbral sedge]

Try and find out

[umbral sedge]

🐳 🐳 🐳 🐳 🐳 🐳

[jolly junco]

Hey i saved up

[coral vortex]

guys I need team recommandations for the abyss those are the characters i have.

[waxen helm]

surely c6 kokomi in 10 pulls

[umbral sedge]

Lol

[neon wave]

I tried that strat as well

[olive isle]

tell me what characters you like using

[coral vortex]

tighnari ,nahida, jean

[teal dust]

if you like klee more then pull for klee, if you just want meta then kokomi, imo game is too easy to worry about meta

[olive isle]

you like klee? get klee if klee bom bom bakudans your heart.

[neon wave]

I mean preference is up to you kokomi is more useful in general but get whoever you like

[umbral sedge]

***I want klee more ***

Pull whoever you like

[coral vortex]

but i need 2 teams for the abyss and its hard

[umbral sedge]

👆 Well said.

[olive isle]

tighnari, kuki, dendro mc, flex
nahida, fischl, barbara, flex

[coral vortex]

flex?

[olive isle]

like put jean if you like or add some lisa, anyone in general

[waxen helm]

😔

[coral vortex]

in the second team whos the dps?

[teal dust]

why not go for full hyperbloom kuki on second team with nahida and just run fischl tighnari yaoyao baseline for the other

[umbral sedge]

Yaoyao modcheck

[olive isle]

it’s not really dps, it’s the hyperbloom spam team so it’s a team effort

[coral vortex]

500 em nahida can do somthing?

[teal dust]

i mean its yaoyao but it still keeps spread while taking care of survivability

[coral vortex]

in 6 /2

[olive isle]

kuki will do the full em piece

[umbral sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/modcheck-discord-twitch-spongebob-looking-gif-21451454

[teal dust]

does yaoyao not heal enough? I dont get it

[umbral sedge]

It means they don't have yaoyao

[teal dust]

isnt she fre-

oh, i see

[olive isle]

if you’re somewhat lost just play tetris

[teal dust]

tighnari kuki fischl dmc vs barbara nahida thoma burgeon surely

[olive isle]

if ppl are disgusted you guys are missing out the APM increase and the opportunity to think fast and optimal decisions

[teal dust]

genshin doesnt need apm

[umbral sedge]

True

[teal dust]

nahida skill -> xq burst -> kuki skill -> press auto attack

ggez abyss cleared

[olive isle]

it’s not just genshin where you’ll benefit 🤷‍♂️

[teal dust]

u rite

gotta raise that apm to press seele burst in honkai star rail

[olive isle]

if you put in that way, okay

[jaunty crypt]

what does this mean?

[teal dust]

how many did you accidentally exchange and want changed back

[olive isle]

unironically, you need to press seele burst fast before killing the enemy so her burst can snapshot the passive bonus

[jaunty crypt]

oh oky thanks

[teal dust]

Real for other characters but also seele burst already activates her passive for her for like 2 turns or smthn

[open jolt]

Guys I have a little question. So I downloaded genshin again after 1 or 2 years of not playing the game. Now all my wishes that I did are not shown. I was at soft pity. Is it completely gone now or just not showing? Idk if worded this correctly hope someone can help me

[olive isle]

passive only works during her “2nd turn”

[teal dust]

its not showing, the list clears older pages after a few months

[olive isle]

The pity stays

[neon wave]

History is gone but pity stays

[jaunty crypt]

send me mental help honestly

[open jolt]

oh okay thanks guys but does anyone know tho where I can look now to see how many wishes I did

[neon wave]

I don't think you can

[teal dust]

No it counts for her burst i promise, its like yukong e6 generating stack and activating crit bonus before burst hits

you can test it by using her burst out of the blue and using it out of killing an enemy, itll be the same dmg without any other buffs in play since her burst already enters the buffed state for her

[neon harness]

You can’t see history past 6 months, which is why some people manually upload their wish history online, websites such as paimon.moe

[jaunty crypt]

can u guys make me feel any better i just exchanged 500 wishes to standard instead of character 💀

[neon wave]

Don't spend them and contact support

[jaunty crypt]

i didn't and i contacted them any idea how much time it'll take?

[neon wave]

well you're definitely not the first person to do that if that makes you feel better hopefully they can sort that out

[jaunty crypt]

yeah the bot already replied, im just waiting for a human reply now

[neon harness]

💀 imagine

I just convert my primos into the limited banner wish the moment it reaches 160

[jaunty crypt]

I used to do that, yeah lmao

and then I started saving my primogems

[neon harness]

🐳

[torpid oasis]

What's a good team I can make for Yae Miko with the characters I have?

[umbral sedge]

Yae Fischl Sucrose Collei if no skill issue

[heavy ingot]

where is the challenge here?
i'm using the interactive map, it says there's one here but i don't see it anywhere
nevermind i'm just after relogging into the game, it appeared

[umbral sedge]

Very odd indeed.

[torpid oasis]

Thank you!

In what order should I build them?

Is there any priority?

[umbral sedge]

Just build all of them
Very easy to build Collei and Sucrose, slap 4 pc Deepwood/GD and 4 pc VV respectively.
Yae/Fischl can both use 2 pc 2 pc variations so just farm Emblem/DM and strongbox the rest of the sets.

Refer to the guide
https://tinyurl.com/GenshinBuilds

[neon harness]

🧐why deepwood and not sets like instructor or nobless. Does collei have high personal dmg?

[umbral sedge]

Yeah, her personal dmg is actually decent in these comps although depends™️
NO definitely works with atk scaling comp like this too

[neon harness]

[umbral sedge]

Ask the 14 yr old cowgirl from texas

[neon harness]

Thx whelaya in whele we trust

[torpid oasis]

Thanks! :)

[umbral sedge]

I take it back, the damage is terrible, you should use 4 pc Traveling Doctors instead.

[neon harness]

😭

[torpid oasis]

Is Collei or Dendro Aether better?

[umbral sedge]

Dendro Lumine more dendro app, circle impact.
Collei is more suited for quickswap/shorter rotations, frontloaded more concentrated dendro app.

Both are fine, depends on your pref

[torpid oasis]

Sorry. I said Aether because I have him.

Thank you.

[neon harness]

Lumine

[umbral sedge]

It's fine, I'm just joking around

[opal surge]

Does kokomi enable me to play a good (abyss viable) team that I wouldnt be able to play without her? I dont feel like my current roster gains much from pulling for kokomi, but I may not see something super obvious

[umbral sedge]

~~Skip tbh ~~

[opal surge]

ye felt so too, just wanted to make sure

[neon harness]

No nilou, has Mona, skip

Unless you personally like koko

[opal surge]

no im pretty indifferent to her

[bright holly]

What’s like the best hu tao team that doesn’t involve yelan?

[umbral sedge]

Hutao, Xingqiu, Character 3, Character 4

[bright holly]

But which are the 2 best other characters

[opal surge]

probably VV unit + shielder id imagine?

kazuha zhongli maybe

[bright holly]

How would I apply the pyro for the vv

[umbral sedge]

Sucrose Amber

[bright holly]

oh well

I’ll prob stop using my hu tao in abyss until I either get a good 4pc crimson or yelan

[wanton pawn]

worth?

[umbral sedge]

Congrats, 900 flat hp

[sick quarry]

best team to use?
currently doing hutao xingqiu fischl layla

[quick stream]

Hyperbloom xingqiu, kuki, kirara, kaveh or collei. Little investment, good dmg

[umbral sedge]

:surely : if you don't want to play HB like Xq Kuki Fischl Dendro
Hutao Xingqiu Fischl Layla
Eula Beidou Lisa Mika(c6)/Diona/Xinyan(c4)

[haughty lotus]

eula best team

[umbral sedge]

[sick quarry]

thank you! what would be the downside to playing hyperbloom?
i only heard its really good

[umbral sedge]

ST oriented, it is good.

[haughty lotus]

you cant play hu tao as hyperbloom will take your xingqiu

[neon harness]

Ayato hyper 😔

Blum

[haughty lotus]

carry or bloom?

🍜

[neon harness]

Carryblum rel

[quick stream]

It relies on good supports. Can't hit hundred thousands to millions of dmg. But is consistent (65k plus every hyperbloom) if you build your characters. It isn't a one shot team

[wanton pawn]

hyper burgeon or as i like to call it "Random BS GO"

[umbral sedge]

Are we playing the same hyperbloom?

[quick stream]

?

[neon harness]

I’m highly doubting 65k hyperbloom

Unless c2 nahida with the critting hyperblooms

[wanton pawn]

. . . keep this if i ever build EM beatstick raiden?

[neon harness]

Em raiden doesn’t want 2p or 4p emblem

[quick stream]

Raiden yelan/xingqiu Alhaitham nahida all c0

[neon harness]

Assuming Em raiden means hyperbloom

[wanton pawn]

yea

[neon harness]

Send video and build

[wanton pawn]

so use the set kuki likes then. . .

noted

[haughty lotus]

could be an off piece or 2pc for like burgeon thoma

[quick stream]

It lags too much coz I play on mobile

[neon harness]

You can still see the damage numbers 🤨, but alright then, send build

[umbral sedge]

It depends™️ on your trigger's lvl and EM.
Hence why it performs well with relatively low investment.

[quick stream]

Wym like screenshot?

[neon harness]

Aya im not tripping right, 65k??

[neon harness]

Enka.network

[umbral sedge]

Expect ~35k

[neon harness]

That’s what I thought 🧐

[wanton pawn]

looks like its a keeper but it can get min maxed or given to another character

[waxen helm]

nice

[wanton pawn]

i can finnally replace this

[torpid oasis]

What's the best 2pc/2pc for Fischl on this team?

[umbral sedge]

2 pc Thundering Fury+2 pc Atk/EM
Although substats are more important so you're fine if you can get a combination of any of those sets.

[quick stream]

Raiden full em (1000) Alhaitham guilded dreams (80% crt rate 200% crt dmg) nahida deepwood. Yelan 70% crt rate 180% crt dmg

I change yelans artifacts from time to time so it changes

[sick quarry]

i see
thanks for the help :3

[haughty lotus]

why would yelan and alhaitham affect how much your hyperbloom hits?

[quick stream]

They dont but they affect the rate of hyperbloom

[neon harness]

I don’t see how the hyperbloom hits would be 65k

[keen willow]

Maybe they're counting two seeds

[thorn scaffold]

I have Mona, will i need Kokomi? Running Ayaka, kazuha and Rosaria.

[neon harness]

I can go test double dendro hyperbloom with 1k Em raiden rn, don’t have Alhaitham but I don’t think Alhaitham has any Em share or dmg bonus for blooms

[unkempt river]

How good is Rosaria? What does she do?

[quick stream]

No kazuha can spread hydro more effectively than Kokomi

[wanton pawn]

when your bored and just make pale flame QIQI

[thorn scaffold]

she jsut another freeze charcter, i would want Diiona nstead but dont have.

[edgy mica]

All kazuha are good kazuhas

[waxen helm]

c6 scream1

[edgy mica]

I have c5 this BURNS me

[quick stream]

Good cryo polearm. Good for feeze teams

[wanton pawn]

CROWNED c6 Qiqi

[zealous ledge]

Does anyone here have experience with gifting through codashop

[unkempt river]

Alr, what's a good cryo polearm?

[neon harness]

She batteries for most of her most popular teams, she’s pretty good

[neon wave]

unless you need the healing, not really

[neon harness]

Fav is usually the weapon on rosaria