📌gimshim-help

[neon harness]

Smemey

[dusty cape]

But retriburgeon 😔

[neon harness]

[dusty cape]

https://tenor.com/view/zy0x-explaining-skill-issue-gif-24601288

[haughty hawk]

:3

[small blade]

[dusty cape]

[haughty hawk]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1112543044361801810/1127697363214024785/image0.gif

[steady shuttle]

Kokomi worth pulling?

[haughty lotus]

Do you play freeze or have Nilou?

[steady shuttle]

No Nilou but I have Ayaka and Shenhe

[haughty lotus]

Pretty good pull then

Your other option is Mona as the hydro but they perform around the same and kokomi is easier to use

[steady shuttle]

Normally running Ayaka, Mona, Kazuha and Diona and never built Shenhe cuz was missing koko

Yeah exactly

[haughty lotus]

You can still do Mona with shenhe, it’s not necessary to have a healer in freeze since enemies can’t move

[umbral sedge]

🍔

[haughty hawk]

hi

[haughty lotus]

ok

[haughty hawk]

ok

[umbral sedge]

Sigmund Frued

[dusty cape]

eating my family

[haughty hawk]

yes

[dusty cape]

[reef comet]

[haughty lotus]

[gray oxide]

Hydro vision

My respect for you: -1000

[umbral sedge]

I want my piss physical vision back

Nooooo Nick I was forced to do it against my will

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-bocchi-the-rock-anime-mental-breakdown-cringe-gif-27026754

[gray oxide]

Lmao

[small blade]

[olive isle]

just take my vision

[umbral sedge]

[neon harness]

🤨

[jolly junco]

RS9MLR5553UH

Hell yea 30k mora

[haughty lotus]

lets goooo

[umbral sedge]

Thanks papa

[jolly junco]

Np

[acoustic ferry]

Halo

Can someone recommend a good second team for the abyss?

These are the characters I have. The team I’m using rn are. Keqing, Fischl, Dendro Traveler, Sucrose

I’m planning to use replace traveler with Yaoyao when she is leveled up

[haughty lotus]

xingqiu kuki dmc beidou

[acoustic ferry]

Ok thx

[scenic turtle]

layla kaeya chong collei

[arctic lake]

Is this a ok piece to use on Kaeya?

Overall stats btw

he has a cryo goblet

[quaint fern]

okay if you don't have anything better
easily replacable though

[arctic lake]

Help I was gonna use this as Kazuhas off-piece and it legit rolled into DEF and ATK-

Its still better technically as the one before it had double def, and double HP but oml-

[reef comet]

it's back again

[sick quarry]

What's the best domain to do for scaramouche

[reef comet]

desert pavilion

[quaint fern]

stardew valley jumpscare

yeah if you have scara then desert pavilion isn't too terrible

you also get artifacts for you dendro team at the same time

[reef comet]

[insert 1000 days irl playtime]

[arctic lake]

What should I do for teams for floors 1-8 of the abyss? (mostly just for when they implement 2 teams)

[jolly junco]

for two teams you could do rosaria, kaeya, bennett, xiangling and kazuha, lisa, fischl, yaoyao. I don't remember what's on floor 1-8 so you may need to change them up a bit depending on whats on the floor

you can check what enemies are on each floor before entering and adjust if needed

[arctic lake]

kk ty

[severe scaffold]

does anyone have a link to an optimizer
I want to optimize my wanderer's dmg output
or if someone could do it for me that'd be cool

[umbral sedge]

https://frzyc.github.io/genshin-optimizer/

[severe scaffold]

ty

[severe scaffold]

how do I use this?

[reef comet]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLcVsEMZO5IVFQdeh8zteZwiNchObfQ684

https://tenor.com/view/cat-breakdancing-dance-cat-dance-sims-cat-gif-25474129

[frozen obsidian]

Is it worth refining prototype crescent for ganyu?

[reef comet]

if you want to buff her even more

but ye, if you don't wanna waste resource on it, then don't 🧐

[jolly junco]

Yes, though hamayumi is better for melt if you use wanderer's troupe

[frozen obsidian]

gotcha

[frozen obsidian]

and if she's on shime?

[jolly junco]

you could also wait to see what the fontaine craftables are gonna be like

[frozen obsidian]

valid point

[jolly junco]

then crescent with the passive up would be better

not all enemies have weakspots though so sometimes crescent passive won't be doing anything

[rugged sparrow]

u mean Fontaine

[jolly junco]

yes

[rugged sparrow]

😔

[frozen obsidian]

gotcha. also, what are some good 4* weapons for C0 yelan?

[rugged sparrow]

Fav

[frozen obsidian]

wooh. luckily i have one.

[copper mist]

Everyone does

You get it for free

[frozen obsidian]

Wait. Really? Where did we get it for free?

[azure raptor]

Which of these do you recommend? My ms is 120-140

[rugged sparrow]

AR18 or smth

[frozen obsidian]

huh. TIL.

[copper mist]

Left is better unless ayato has some high energy req I don't know of

Your ping is def not ideal though

[reef comet]

use optimizer 🧐

[jolly junco]

112% ER is too low for a lot of his teams

[copper mist]

Optimizer won't take the echoes issue into consideration though

Left has more stats so it will always be recommended by optimizer in this case

[azure raptor]

Thats not gonna work in my case

[azure raptor]

About 140% er is recommended for ayato

[copper mist]

Oh well then right I guess

[jolly junco]

about check the erc for your team is how much ER is recommended for ayato

[reef comet]

:hmmge:

[copper mist]

Oh shit it does have an option

120 ping is def above average tho

[azure raptor]

yes but you have to considor the ms factor

we just moved so itll take some time until i get my router fixed again

[reef comet]

well, use glad then 🧐

you should be fine with echoes with under 100(?) ms, but your current build is quite lacking on stats so farm more for the time being

[jolly junco]

I don't think the glad build is bad?

echoes build isn't bad either assuming they have enough ER on it which they probably don't

[azure raptor]

i farmed those when i was about ar48-47

[azure raptor]

i can swap the circlet and sand to have 134% er but 68 cr but that wont solve the ms issue

[jolly junco]

just use the glad build then

[azure raptor]

you have no idea how bad my HoD build is

[reef comet]

I never say it's bad, im just saying those pieces still have room for improvements

[jolly junco]

"quite lacking on stats" kind of implies something is poor

like yeah it has room for improvement but that applies to most peoples builds

I think that ayato in a good team could easy handle floor 12

[reef comet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1004376712072667158/1060939877685919800/1046035413560741978.gif

english

[copper mist]

Neither build is bad by any means

With decent investment in the rest of your team should be more than fine

[small blade]

[crisp bluff]

level yelan to 90 or crown her ult? which one to do first, enough resin to do only one of these

[reef comet]

https://tenor.com/view/kon-yui-hirasawa-colin-kyoto-animation-guitar-gif-21053152

that yomia gonna do so much dmg

bro having blizzard on the rest of the build and still better than half of the genshin players

🧐

[rugged sparrow]

[river parcel]

can any of you cool people help me in my coms by using the .findore in #findore-here i keep getting this stupid com

edit: TY ily sm

already tried asking in gen and jen chats. no help

[reef comet]

the legendary ayato bloomge

[tame cedar]

How get this thing

[copper mist]

You should make a screenshot with the minimap included and all

[jolly junco]

[copper mist]

I have no clue where this is

[reef comet]

what happened 🧐

[tame cedar]

The one near the first sumeru statue of the seven

[elder bluff]

help channel becomes flex channel

[whole wedge]

There’s always going to be someone replying with shit like this in a genshin post 💀

[copper mist]

Naked khave skin ?

Naked figure kaveh give

[lyric cargo]

forum ban any%?

[gray oxide]

Kavhe

[keen seal]

is it worth levelling gorou's burst? it only increases damage, so idk if its worth the mora

[rugged sparrow]

no

[keen seal]

cool

[rugged sparrow]

his E is more important for better supporting capabilities, then again the increase is very minor

[keen seal]

i have more than enough books, but ill probably just save those for miko

[frozen obsidian]

veluriyam mirage is 100%. i feel empty

[rugged sparrow]

what about the other regions

[frozen obsidian]

i still have a lot of content to finish hehe. veluriyam mirage was just very fun to me

[keen seal]

how much ER does sara need with raiden?

[reef comet]

use erc

i'd minimum is 200, 230 for comfort

if im not wrong and we're talking about the same team 🧐

[keen seal]

oof, is that with eosf or noblesse?

[elder bluff]

NO if there is noone holding that set

[keen seal]

i have her on noblesse and am trying to raise mounn's moon for damage, but if i need that much, a sac is probably better

i was just thinking that maybe the ER was inflated for burst EOSF damage

[elder bluff]

kqm says 170%+ if pair with raiden/fischl and 230%+ if pair with other electro chars

[keen seal]

cool, thanks

[ivory light]

if i am correct i have to wait until reset for the new banner right?

[keen seal]

on America, its in 14 hrs

[rugged sparrow]

for Asia it's in 1h so

[ivory light]

it just disappears and i go and wait for the next one?

[rugged sparrow]

current one disappears at the same time the new one comes out

[ivory light]

oh

[fathom vapor]

scaranational full team crit ratio, er needs, stats, weapons and artis guide pls

[keen willow]

Just scara or the entire roster

[noble belfry]

How many minutes for new banner

[keen willow]

Coz xiangling, benne, xingqiu builds are not gonna change

[noble belfry]

Anyone layla build?

[fathom vapor]

entire

bcos tryna help my friends acc

and i have no clue w scara teams

[fathom vapor]

tbh yea

[keen willow]

Nothing really changes in the xiangling benne xingqiu like i said. For scara you take 4p vv, and whatever crit you can get

[fathom vapor]

what abt desert pav

[gray oxide]

VV better for Scarational

[keen willow]

It doesn't do anything for the team

[gray oxide]

gives a pretty major boost to Xingqiu and Xiangling

[fathom vapor]

ight nice

[noble belfry]

@haughty lotus no one helping i need a build guide for layla

[keen willow]

Just do 4p Noblesse or tenacity, hp hp hp

[cobalt meadow]

you just need to slap on hp% on layla

[glad grove]

I need help 🙂
I dont know what weapon to build. Im new, I have so far that im buidling, Xiangling, Xingqiu and dendro travelelr
the only 4* weapon I have is prototype rancour, and fav warbow
should I make the ER free to play prototype starglitter for Xiaangling or make a iron sting for xingqui?

im only AR 21

[cobalt meadow]

iron sting is a no for xingqiu

[noble belfry]

Ok

[noble belfry]

What is your ar?

[glad grove]

21

I cant go get the catch yet thats why idk what to do yet

[cobalt meadow]

i suggest you wait for inazuma and forge amenoma, just my suggestion though

[glad grove]

okokok

she will have a black tassle till then

[cobalt meadow]

early AR levels are a breeze compared to 40+ i think

[noble belfry]

For now build whatever character you like and build your characters by order after ar45

[cobalt meadow]

do you have white tassel? its better for xiangling

[glad grove]

yeah, I like xingqiu so im building him and xiangling

sadly no, just black tassle

[wet plank]

You can get white tassle from exquisite+ chests in liyue

they do not show up in wishes please do not trash/consume all of them if you get them

[glad grove]

okokok

ill look for some chests online to see where they are

i didnt get a white tassle D:

[cobalt meadow]

sumeru forgeables are good too, the sumeru polearme has em 2nd stat and drops a leaf that gives atk% when picked up upon triggering a dendro based reaction

the way to get it is hell though, it is locked on the aranara questline and it takes very long

[rugged sparrow]

they're also AR21, pretty sure they can't go access Sumeru questline too

[cobalt meadow]

they cant?

i thought they could. my bad

[rugged sparrow]

well I don't see an AR requirement for them, so maybe they can do it

no point on crafting Sumeru polearm for Xiangling though when they can just fish Catch

[trail spear]

playing hsr and genshin at the same time

[shrewd garden]

Can anyone suggest if Kokomi is woeth pulling? I dont have a 5 star healer and not many hydro characters.

[jolly junco]

could you share your character roster?

[icy narwhal]

Hi guys im ar 40 i want to farm thundering fury for keqing aggravate can someone help me

[shrewd garden]

Ayaka, Ganyu, Kazuha, Qiqi, Mona, Diluc

[cobalt meadow]

asia server?

[icy narwhal]

Yes

[jolly junco]

I meant all of them, not just 5*s

and don't farm artifacts until AR 45

[shrewd garden]

How do I mwntion all characters xd

[jolly junco]

the fact you have mona already makes kokomi's pull value less for your account since mona can work effectively for ayaka or ganyu freeze

[shrewd garden]

Mona has almost 0 hydro application off field

[jolly junco]

you take a screenshot of your character options, either ingame or from hoyolab

[icy narwhal]

Hey guys can someone help me grind thundering set im ar 40

[jolly junco]

she has enough for freeze teams, you can also extend her omen duration using freeze

[shrewd garden]

Oh

[jolly junco]

yeah I don't think kokomi is good pull value for your account

[shrewd garden]

Oh ok thanks. I guess ill save

[jolly junco]

can just do like ayaka or ganyu/mona/kazuha/layla for a freeze team

layla is free from the event

[shrewd garden]

Yeah ill try and see

Yep i got her

Thanks for help

[jolly junco]

np

[jolly junco]

@icy narwhal the drop rates get considerably better at AR 45, for now I would suggest just using what you have

[glad grove]

as an AR 21 player, should I try get kokomi?

[unkempt river]

How many primogems do you have saved rn?

[glad grove]

like 1k, but I know im pretty close to pity

[jolly junco]

personally I'd just save

[glad grove]

okokok

[cobalt meadow]

i think you should go for a seperate banner

[rugged sparrow]

^ Kokomi doesn't bring anything significant to you at the moment

[elder bluff]

you won't get to Watasumi island soon

[glad grove]

awesome, thankyou!

[cobalt meadow]

barbara, sayu, and noelle are healers and noelle and layla are shielders

[rugged sparrow]

your acc needs other units more than anything, like Bennett for your XL, anemo support(s) like Sucrose, Fischl, more dendro options, etc

[cobalt meadow]

youd have to fight specters too 💀

[elder bluff]

get a dps asap. scara looks ok

[glad grove]

yeah I really want a sucrose

[rugged sparrow]

Scara without Bennett and high const Faru

[elder bluff]

or just skip and wait for better options in 4.x

[rugged sparrow]

despairge

[jolly junco]

i wouldn't recommend scara unless you really like him, atl from an abyss perspective

[glad grove]

so just pull on standard banner atm with any wishes I get?

[rugged sparrow]

save up

[glad grove]

and hope for a 4* thats usable

[jolly junco]

just save ur primos

[cobalt meadow]

you could go for lyney, but people say hes like a ganyu character

[glad grove]

okok

[rugged sparrow]

it's not recommended to pull in standard banner due to how diluted its pool is

[elder bluff]

he is AR 21, not ready for abyss. scara will help him explore

[glad grove]

scara dosent really tickle my fancy

[rugged sparrow]

you don't need specific unit to explore...

[jolly junco]

is it really worth pulling characters for exploration purposes though? given it's pretty easy

[rugged sparrow]

a 5-star unit at it, too

[jolly junco]

like scara is nice for overworld yeah but you don't need specific units for overworld

[elder bluff]

skip this banner is your best choice then

[jolly junco]

that applies to abyss too but he isn't great there without c6 faru and bennett

[glad grove]

okokok

for future reference, what kind of banner would I want to pull on?

[cobalt meadow]

hydro archon?

[rugged sparrow]

rule of thumb is pulling on who you like most

[elder bluff]

archon, yelan, kazuha

[cobalt meadow]

or reruns of characs

[rugged sparrow]

as meta (abyss) constantly shifts to favor current running banners (in general)

[glad grove]

i do want a kazuha, he is cool

[jolly junco]

this abyss doesn't favor scara

[rugged sparrow]

(in general)

2.4 abyss also didn't favor Ganyu/Xiao

[jolly junco]

yeah I read

[rugged sparrow]

and some other abysses

then again since when has abyss favored Scara

[jolly junco]

actually his first banner did when we had wolflord abyss

he was good 2nd half

[rugged sparrow]

ah, ic

[jolly junco]

in the abyss before it reset tho he sucked

you had to bring venti instead of a shielder first half or you basically wouldn't have enough damage cuz it was husks

[rugged sparrow]

[glad grove]

thanks guys 🙂

ill just save and chill

any of u guys on the asia server?

[rugged sparrow]

what of it

[jolly junco]

the sealege

[rugged sparrow]

🦭

[glad grove]

oh nothing haha, just want to make some friends on the game is all 🙂

[rugged sparrow]

don't even remember when was the last time I even used in-game friend list

[reef comet]

I don't even have a friend 🧐

[cobalt meadow]

i have one friend on genshin which doesnt play anymore

[elder bluff]

I do but I only go into the game for dailies now

[keen willow]

Just 1?

[sleek yew]

Kokomi 🗿

[olive isle]

The Kokomi that does damage per screenshot

[round glen]

Best Koko team?

[small blade]

I don't see any good teams that will require kokomi (You have better options)

[round glen]

And for wanderer I guess he has several options

[sleek yew]

Kokomi build for freeze? All er?

[whole horizon]

hiiii would like to ask what is better weap for kokomi, ttds or prototype amber? i just got her : D thanks

[copper mist]

Yeah but if you make her hold sacrificial it's not necessary tho Ig you wanna have her hold TTDS

[whole horizon]

as support healer~ and hydro enabler for my ayaya

[copper mist]

TTDS

If you go TTDS ER is very important

To get that 100% uptime on her E

[sleek yew]

So er/er/er?

[small blade]

Wanderer, c6 Faruzan, Bennet, Zhongli

[whole horizon]

what is the minimum er i should get?

[copper mist]

That doesn't exist

[whole horizon]

i prefarmed for her artifs and they're all hp xD

[copper mist]

Only sands can have ER mainstat

[sleek yew]

😂

[whole horizon]

maybe i should go er in substats

[sleek yew]

So sands er

Rest hp?

[copper mist]

Idk depends on your team you can use ER calculator in pins

[copper mist]

Yes, likely at least 200% so

[sleek yew]

Better hp or healing bonus?

[whole horizon]

okai noted 😄 i already have 165% base on my current build, with the flower and feather having bad substats xD

[bronze lintel]

What cryo character would be better to go with ayaka Kokomi and kazuha , diona Layla chongyun or rosaria

[whole horizon]

and 32k hp w/o weap

[copper mist]

Healing bonus gives more healing

[small blade]

Iirc you don't need to use burst in Ayaka freeze, so just stack hp and ttds

[sleek yew]

Ah ok

[sick quarry]

should i pull for the next bannerS?

[whole horizon]

thank u everyone~ : D

[copper mist]

Only if you want the characters

[small blade]

Rosaria

[reef comet]

you don't need er for kok in freeze team :sip:

[copper mist]

Why would you not want 100% uptime on her E

[sick quarry]

i dont wanna pull for someone if i cant use them in my team
Did the same thing with eula and i cant use her at all-

[small blade]

Better to funnel Ayaka and start the next rotation. Her E uptime is good enough without it

[copper mist]

Well neither is gonna help you much unless you wanna make a new team with Wanderer, what's your general team?

[whole horizon]

i want to pull for eula bcs i have r2 wgs and the unforged D: but didnt pull bcs kokomi will b compromised xD

[copper mist]

I see

[bronze lintel]

What cryo character would be better to go with ayaka Kokomi and kazuha , diona Layla chongyun or rosaria

[sick quarry]

rosie

[copper mist]

Didn't you just ask this

[sick quarry]

rosaria

[whole horizon]

rosaria bcs i think she gives crit buff?

[small blade]

You only need 100% E uptime on nilou bloom and normal hyperbloom i think

[whole horizon]

i used her before

[copper mist]

Right but then you can use sacrificial Ig

[whole horizon]

but changed to diona since i run ayaya mona venti and diona

[copper mist]

But what do they build kok for then, just more healing?

[whole horizon]

but mona will be replaced by kokomi, or probably just go kokomi with nahida

[small blade]

Yeah. Tenacity + ttds

[olive isle]

she abuse the buffing capabilities of TTDS and millelith set

[copper mist]

Tenacity is a given

[whole horizon]

oh, i used that artif set ocean hued clam

[copper mist]

I mean artifact main stats

Like getting her to 200+ ER is free

[olive isle]

220 er

[copper mist]

Costs a little healing

Which she does a lot of anyway

[small blade]

You can go for it but bursting in that team is a waste anyway

[reef comet]

ew, ban when

[small blade]

Use tenacity for freeze teams

[copper mist]

Yeah

[sick quarry]

i pulled for her cuz i thought shes cool and now shes stuck lvl1 xD

[copper mist]

Ocean hued clam is not good for support kokomi, that's more for sub dos

[whole horizon]

oooo okay noted

[copper mist]

Or your entire team doesn't scale from attack

[whole horizon]

i think she's great if u have her fully build, i often see showcase video of her getting 6-7 digits qwq

[small blade]

I don't think that kind of freeze team exists yet

[copper mist]

No not freeze ofc

But a diff team entirely

[sick quarry]

i have my hutao as main atm and i cant be asked to switch xD

[small blade]

oh like hb

[copper mist]

Yeah Ig

[whole horizon]

hmmm okayyy : D i'll try to find bcs actually i havent used tenacity for any of my chars yet XD

but i tried farming for that domain for pale flame bcs i thought i'll be pulling for eula

[whole horizon]

ohhh okay, hutao is a great char too : D

[reef comet]

6 digit is normal for Eula, 7 is usually high investment

[copper mist]

Wanderer nor Kokomi will help you then, you will want 2 teams somewhere down the line but you should probably wait for Fontaine

[olive isle]

7 digit is already tony to wdym

[reef comet]

tony to, my favourite f2p

[whole horizon]

should i lvl ttds to max?

[reef comet]

no

[copper mist]

No reason to

[olive isle]

up to you if you want the more healing, but she heals enough

[copper mist]

It's a bit more HP

[whole horizon]

ohhh okai : D thankkkks

[olive isle]

usually because i crowned her jellyfish

[sleek yew]

Heh why minus?

[copper mist]

That's kokomi

[reef comet]

passive

[copper mist]

She has -105% crit rate

[reef comet]

from a4

[sleek yew]

Oh

[whole horizon]

i want to crown her e too : D but my prefarmed sango pearl is only enough to ascend her to lvl 70 xD

[sleek yew]

208 er good?

[olive isle]

what server are you?

[copper mist]

Yea

[whole horizon]

asia : D

[sleek yew]

Oki

[copper mist]

Probably

[olive isle]

okay get sango pearls there

[sleek yew]

Umm what use is mona?

[copper mist]

Dmg support

[olive isle]

vape nuke and freeze sup

[copper mist]

Her burst amplifies damage

[sleek yew]

I got kokomi for freeze

Or is mona better?

[copper mist]

No

[sleek yew]

I cant use mona for bloom aswell

[reef comet]

kokomi is easier to use/ more comfy, mona = more dmg but not by much 🧐

[sleek yew]

[olive isle]

mona is better for higher dmg ceiling, kokomi has more consistent hydro application as well as 100% ttds uptime and tenacity buffs. and she fits into many teams and saves nahida

[whole horizon]

it depends on your teams ig : D if u have a healer already then i guess i buffer isnt that bad, but i think kokomi is more hydro applicator than mona?

[sleek yew]

Yea soo

Im just gonna store away mona

Maybe in next update she will be somewhat usefull

[olive isle]

if you're not fascinated with childe damage per screenshot sure

[sleek yew]

Nah my childe is store away aswell

[unkempt river]

How do I do this within 150?

[sleek yew]

He is dusty

[olive isle]

you gotta be fast

[unkempt river]

Yeah, how? For some reason I feel REALLY slow on that one.

[olive isle]

show team

[unkempt river]

I used traveler, kaeya, beidou and barbara

[whole horizon]

fortunately i have hp sands and goblet for kokomi in tenacity : D i'll try to change her build now

[unkempt river]

^

[hot python]

how well does shime work on wanderer?

[olive isle]

spam berserkers set on beidou

[hot python]

i accidentally got him at 20 pity and im conflicted

[whole horizon]

LOOOOOL

[reef comet]

2nd best set

[olive isle]

use skill first then burst. it's good, but DPC set is better, and it's worse at c2+

[whole horizon]

T^T

[olive isle]

im afraid you gotta level up those artifacts

focus on feather and artifacts with offensive stats (atk%, crit%, etc.)

[olive isle]

how much er do you have now

[whole horizon]

im still conflicted... my rolls in tenacity were kinda bad

what is this crit stats hELP

why do they roll everytime i dont need them

[reef comet]

nice zhongli piece

[olive isle]

sweet focalors piece

[reef comet]

imagine her being a hp scaler healer 😔

[hot python]

okay so ...

[olive isle]

if fontaine buffs ppl with hp, then it is possible

[whole horizon]

maybe i should save it for them... i want to pull for both tho

[reef comet]

crit rate where

[hot python]

hes still

lvl40

how much cr does he get as he ascends

[cursive ore]

Is it really worth it spending 10 bucks for verdicent hunt for childe

[reef comet]

about 20

[reef comet]

yes, why not

[olive isle]

got other bow weaps? if no, it's worth

[whole horizon]

i think i'll temporarily used ocean hued for now for kokomi since i only have 35 overall tenacity xD ((i'll farm for more)

or should i 2pc tenacity 2 pc ocean hued?

[cursive ore]

Rust r1

[olive isle]

okay get the hunt bow

[reef comet]

v hunt is simply the best 4* tbh

[olive isle]

building takes time, take your time

[olive isle]

no it's hunter's path wdym

[reef comet]

4* 🧐

[cursive ore]

No is polar star ez

[whole horizon]

what do u think is better for now? 2pc tenacity 2 pc ocean hued or just 4pc ocean hued temporarily? TuT

[reef comet]

faruzan is all that matter

[olive isle]

it's nerfed to 4 star so it becomes tradeable

[reef comet]

[gray oxide]

I dont remember it ever being a 4 star

[olive isle]

2 pc 2 pc set

[gray oxide]

[true storm]

I need mushrooms for my wanderer anyone wanna let me farm?

[reef comet]

funny xiao dmg buff go poof 😔

[whole horizon]

alright thankkkks ^-^

[olive isle]

what server

[true storm]

asia

[olive isle]

no hold on, asia at this time gets the banner first so yea wait

[hot python]

just get hunt bro

[true storm]

rlly

its not at the same time

[whole horizon]

WHY IS IT ALWAYS FALLS ON CRIT

[olive isle]

no that's because i have asia acc

[true storm]

sooo, can u let me farm some shrooms

[olive isle]

yea

[cursive ore]

But my f2p status...

[true storm]

uid?

[reef comet]

nice zhongli piece

[olive isle]

ah, who's that person who wants the sango pearl again?

[hot python]

koko

right i fogor

[whole horizon]

is this a sign that i should pull for him next?

[olive isle]

you will need that as it's for your proof of account ownership.

[hot python]

faru ros and yanfei

[olive isle]

no im referring to the person here who wants my sango pearls

[reef comet]

faruzan is all that matter

[hot python]

oh mb

[whole horizon]

me but i guess i have enough in my world : D i'll try to enter other world when it's not enough xD

[olive isle]

805496917

[gray oxide]

Rosaria is nice tho

[true storm]

addedd

[gray oxide]

Imean consts are meh but still

A copy wont hurt

[cursive ore]

???

[olive isle]

you will get hacked in a flash sometime and your receipt will help you get your account if that's the case

[jolly junco]

consts are meh?

[gray oxide]

Her c6 is the only one i remember

Iirc theyre mid

Do correct that if u find it faulty tho

[jolly junco]

c2 is two more burst ticks, c4 helps with energy, c5 is burst talent increase, c3 is skill talent increase, c1 sucks because you don't play rosaria physical

[gray oxide]

Wait

[jolly junco]

c2 is pretty impactful for stuff like rev melt

[gray oxide]

C2 is more Q uptime?

[jolly junco]

yes

[gray oxide]

Nvm, i take that back

[jolly junco]

2 more ice lance DoT ticks

[gray oxide]

Ah

Now that ive rechecked them

[sick quarry]

wwhich substats do i look for on xingqui artifacts?

[gray oxide]

Looks alright

[jolly junco]

at ar 39 just focus on ER and atk

[cursive ore]

How do u know my account will get hacked

[olive isle]

• when you're automatically logged out in game
• when your email is being compromised (usually happens in data leaks)
• when you downloaded a disguised trojan horse
• when you can't log in to hoyolab
• when you see that your account email is not the email you use.

[small blade]

[cursive ore]

Oh damn

[bronze lintel]

What 3/4 star Weapon and artifacts good for Kokomi

[olive isle]

kokomi can run 4pc deepwood or tenacity, er/hp/hb 220% minimum, ttds/amber/sac frags/donut

[lapis shuttle]

Hey I'm AR 22, is it worth to build any of chonguen, Yanfei C2, Barbara C1 and Faruzan?

[olive isle]

yanfei

[gritty blade]

Why did I found all the chess piece but still can't unlock the apocalypse lost quest

[olive isle]

did you do the falcon's hunt quest?

[gritty blade]

yes

[olive isle]

maybe you have to apply the chess pieces first?

[jolly junco]

It depends what other options you have. Yanfei is a reasonable damage dealer, Barbara is a decent healer for early-game, Faruzan is kinda whatever unless you have Wanderer or Xiao (and you won't reach her energy recharge requirements at early game), Chongyun is okay in some teams

[gritty blade]

I have applied them all

[crisp bluff]

both are bad but for now which one to run? 71/144 with cr circlet and 47/207 with cdmg. wanderer btw

[olive isle]

then it's a daily reset

[gritty blade]

oh wait

I haven't done the falcon quest yet

[jolly junco]

Crit rate

[gritty blade]

sorry for disturbing

[little plinth]

the best choice is to focus on Yanfei so you can have little headstart for early game, till you reach AR45 you could farm for Artifact to progress your other Characters if you want to broaden your team comp

[lapis shuttle]

I have Noelle and Xiangling C1 and some starter character

[crisp bluff]

wrong server i think

[teal dust]

I noticed

sorry its too early for this

[smoky forge]

Kokomi or Wanderer?

I need both hydro and anemo character

[cinder kestrel]

do u have a good shielder like zhongli

[smoky forge]

Does Layla count?

[cinder kestrel]

yh

[smoky forge]

I also have diona

[cinder kestrel]

k and do u have a decent hydro like xingqiu and a decent healer like bennett

[smoky forge]

Bennet yes

Barbara is my only hydro

[cinder kestrel]

oh then go for kokomi

[smoky forge]

Ight thanks

Time to spend about 20 fates on her

And then the other 10 on wanderer

[cinder kestrel]

whats ur pity?

[smoky forge]

I forgot

Should be like maybe 10 to 20

[cinder kestrel]

bc its better to know ur gonna get one of them than risking and getting none of them

[smoky forge]

Ye I know

I either save up a hell lot

[cinder kestrel]

oh i would say save for fontaine then

[jolly junco]

You could build a team around Yanfei and use Barbara for now

[smoky forge]

I have about 32 fates in total

Intertwined fates

[cinder kestrel]

yh save fr fontaine u will get better characters like focalors

[smoky forge]

When is Fontaine anyways

[cinder kestrel]

aug 15

[smoky forge]

Which elements are the characters?

[cinder kestrel]

hydro pyro geo

[smoky forge]

Well perfect

I'm lacking those elements

[pliant sundial]

oh is freminet geo?

[lapis shuttle]

Currently my team has traveler, Xiangling,nolle,kaeye

[pliant sundial]

wait what

[cinder kestrel]

i think

[cinder kestrel]

i could help u build a team if u want

[smoky forge]

For the characters or right now?

[pliant sundial]

wasnt the circus man pyro, the circus girl anemo and freminet cryo??

[jolly junco]

you don't really have a good team currently but it doesn't matter too much at early game

[cinder kestrel]

right now

[cinder kestrel]

i thought lyney pyro freminet geo lynette anemo

[smoky forge]

Well can't exactly get on right now but I do remember some of my characters

[lapis shuttle]

What type of team should I build with Yanfei?

Should I replace Noelle with Barbara?

[pliant sundial]

you can see what element they are in the drip marketing

lyney is pyro, lynette anemo and freminets cryo

[cinder kestrel]

at ur ar it doesnt rlly matter play who u like until ar 35

[jolly junco]

generally she's played in vaporise or overload as an on-field damage dealer but you don't have the good options right now for those teams. you could just do yanfei, barbara, then slot 2 characters who are useful for the region you're exploring

[cinder kestrel]

ok mb

[smoky forge]

Bennett, kaeya, ninguang, kuki Shinobu, traveler(geo, anemo, dendro), fischl, beidou,

Lisa, qiqi, Barbara, rosaria, thoma

[cinder kestrel]

dendro mc barbara kuki shinobu and anyone u want

[smoky forge]

Xiangling, amber, yaoyao, collei

Didn't get to inazuma yet

I currently have dendro mc, barbs, beidou, and fiscl

Kuki is stuck at lvl 20

[cinder kestrel]

doesnt rlly matter shes just to pop the blooms

[smoky forge]

I'm ar 36

[cinder kestrel]

2nd best hyperbloom in the entire game

[smoky forge]

She's gonna die in 2 hits

[cinder kestrel]

no switch to her use e and switch back

thats it

[smoky forge]

Alright

[cinder kestrel]

and use hp artifacts if hp is a problem

[jolly junco]

It does matter though, transformative reaction damage (which includes hyperbloom) scales heavily on character level

[true storm]

btw whats wanderers priority talent?

[cinder kestrel]

thats aggravate hyerbloom is em im pretty sure

[jolly junco]

hyperbloom damage is based on character level and elemental mastery

[cinder kestrel]

oh mb

[jolly junco]

it's also affected by enemy resistance (dendro) and reaction bonus

[smoky forge]

Sooo no kuki?

[cinder kestrel]

yh

try to lvl her up tho bc shes useful

[jolly junco]

you can play hyperbloom kuki if you want but you do need to level her up

[analog rapids]

NA > Skill > Burst

[smoky forge]

Well I can't get to inazuma if I can't get past this god damn archon quest

[cinder kestrel]

u stuck on childe?

[smoky forge]

No chasing abyss herald to meet lumine

[cinder kestrel]

oh

[smoky forge]

I'm fighting like 3 abyss mages

[olive isle]

i crowned childe wow

[smoky forge]

And a ruin hunter

[cinder kestrel]

oh use an anemo

[smoky forge]

Use a anemo they said

My characters die in like 3 hits from the hunter

[cinder kestrel]

use layla and anemo

drag the abyss mages out

[smoky forge]

Right . . .

[cinder kestrel]

so the hunter doesnt attack

and then kill the hunter

[smoky forge]

They're all bunched up in FRONT of the ruin hunter

[cinder kestrel]

get them to tp to u

[smoky forge]

I got lucky the cryo wanders

Well guess time for me to get more health food

[cinder kestrel]

or just bring anemo mc layla noelle bennett lmao

and be patient

[smoky forge]

Alright then

I lvled up my world lvl to early

[cinder kestrel]

oh yh

u should wait todo ascension quest

[smoky forge]

Should I lower world lvl or keep it up

[cinder kestrel]

lower

[smoky forge]

Alright then

At least it gets easier

[neon wave]

you can't lower it until wl6 iirc

[cinder kestrel]

and then revert when u powerufl enough

[cinder kestrel]

oh ye

[smoky forge]

Wait wut

Mother******

[neon wave]

yeah, just pick a team and level your characters

[smoky forge]

Aleight

Wait Fontaine is 4.0 right?

[neon wave]

yes

[smoky forge]

Ok just making sure

[neon wave]

You can switch Barbara with yaoyao btw. Focus on leveling your team's weapons, especially beidou's and fischl's

[smoky forge]

Isn't yaoyao dendro?

[neon wave]

yeah

[smoky forge]

I need a hydro for hyperbloom

[neon wave]

fischl and beidou don't work very well with hyperbloom. kuki would be better, but you need materials from inazuma

but I guess you can keep Barbara if yaoyao isn't leveled

[smoky forge]

I mean beidou ult

But 2 electro and 2 dendro don't do anything

[neon wave]

her burst doesn't target dendro cores

[neon wave]

aggravate

[round glen]

Okay I got eula now, best teams I should use?

[neon harness]

Eula fischl diona rosaria ig

[round glen]

Diona over Layla based on heals only?

[small blade]

Ruined the husbando account

[unkempt river]

How good is Layla? And what does she do?

[neon wave]

she's ok, pretty solid shielder with a bit of personal damage and can hold tenacity

[jolly junco]

Layla is generally better from a damage perspective yeah, she offers a stronger shield than diona and tenacity buff. diona provides healing and upfront particle generation which could be useful sometimes

[round glen]

You’re actually 100% right. This is my girlfriends account who only pulls for Husbandos but trying to get Faruzan for Xiao meant Eula had to ruin the account 😦

[jolly junco]

and layla's personal damage is better

[gray oxide]

1 personal dmg vs 2 personal dmg true

[jolly junco]

that's not really fair

[knotty pond]

hey, so i’m doing that one quest to unlock the chasm underground with the bedrock keys, and i’ve already done 2/3 parts of those. however, right now i’m at the area that’s around the south-east of the chasm surface and i can only see one of the stone things where the geograna has to go in? i can see the one in the house, but i can’t see the two other ones which you have to go on the platforms to get to. i’ve searched up multiple youtube tutorials to check their locations but they simply aren’t there, and none of them have addressed anything like this issue. does anyone have any idea why i can’t see them?

[gray oxide]

Well more fair, 1 dmg vs 10 dmg

Layla vs Diona tldr truege

[jolly junco]

I think you underestimate layla's personal damage a bit, though there's not much in terms of buffs in the team

[gray oxide]

Layla does a lot more but

I dont think its still worth noticing anw

[haughty lotus]

[gray oxide]

Layla should have had Nilou's c6

For her C6

E Q 10k tick nicege

[gray oxide]

Oh ye i gotta ask

Do you do hp cryo crit in freeze

[jolly junco]

you do hp/cryo/crit in general for layla when it comes to damage

[gray oxide]

Since practically enemies deal no dmg either way

Unless its a boss

Which depends ig

Well

At that point yea

Laylas dmg is gonna be a lot lot bigger than Diona's

[jolly junco]

i use hp/cryo/crit even outside of freeze teams

[round glen]

I just feel like her cryo application feels more comfy than Dionas

[jolly junco]

shield is still strong enough

[lofty crest]

Fairly recent player here, AR35. Been getting my head around Gacha, now trying to figure out the best long-term team comps.

Because I’m F2P, I can’t spend books levelling up every character so apart from my starting 4 in the early stages, I’ve had to be very stingy.

My current main team is Xiangling, Bennett, Jean and either Barbara or Kaeya in that last slot, depending on whether I need additional healing or damage.

Xiangling is C3, everyone else is C0.

Are any of my Lvl. 1 characters here worth investing in for the long term?

[round glen]

I have her on BS for freeze teams though, need to farm tenacity again 😢

[jolly junco]

usually in freeze teams you run tenacity layla too

[round glen]

Yeah that makes sense I just haven’t really farmed for her so I gave her BS left overs

[jolly junco]

the rotation for layla, eula, fischl, rosaria is pretty smooth 20s loop

[round glen]

I don’t even know how Eula works going to have to watch videos

[worthy hinge]

guys i just got wanderer and faruzan in a single 10 pull. 💀 what team shall i use..

[jolly junco]

wanderer, faruzan, bennett, good shielder or dehya would be his standard hyper team

[worthy hinge]

ive got zhongli, qiqi, venti, xiao, mona, raiden, keqing as 5 stars ;-;

[gray oxide]

Wanderer Faruzan Bennett shielder, build him, hyperinvest in his artifacts, still not able to 36* abyss, mald, whale into him

[worthy hinge]

I see

[jolly junco]

zhongli is good, as are thoma and layla

[worthy hinge]

bennett ks busy with the xiao team tho..

[jolly junco]

bit of a problem here

[round glen]

Just give Faruzan to Xiao too

Wanderer doesn’t deserve her

[worthy hinge]

;-; mhm

[gray oxide]

Id say that

[jolly junco]

usually you'd be playing wanderer or xiao in abyss not both, they share the same good supports for them

[gray oxide]

You either use Wanderer or Xiao depending on the situation

[worthy hinge]

urm

[neon harness]

Id get them to 20/40 for the free wish but they don’t need to be leveled unless you have a team for them

[worthy hinge]

i was looking for a team to play in the abyss 2nd part cuz ive only built the xiao team (xiao, venti, bennett, zhongli)

[gray oxide]

Csn u show ur roster

[worthy hinge]

roster?

[gray oxide]

Character list

Tbh everyone should be able to do a team like

[worthy hinge]

alright lemme open hoyolab

[gray oxide]

Lisa Fischl Yaoyao Sucrose

[lofty crest]

so according to the Lvl. 40/50 characters I have rn, none of the level 1s here are worth long-term growth, right?

[gray oxide]

Which is alr decent for 2nd half

[jolly junco]

but i think they wanna do wanderer for one team and xiao for another, which I agree isn't recommended

[gray oxide]

A bit of a grief on the electro Lawa

[gray oxide]

Yea id not do that either

Maybe not Faru, but both want Bennett

[round glen]

I would play both if I had them on the same account 😦 but wouldn’t recommend for others

[gray oxide]

And your dmg without Bennett on both isnt the greatest

[jolly junco]

nice

[gray oxide]

Isnt that back when the abyss is still ez for Wanderer

doing that team this abyss gonna be grief

[round glen]

It’s old yeah, I think it’s still easy for wanderer, Heizou though.. depends on the team maybe

[gray oxide]

I dont think back then its much of an isse anw

[round glen]

Xiao on that team would do so much better though

[gray oxide]

But ngl Heizou + Jean is a weird combo

[jolly junco]

I mean it's just a quick-swap mono anemo team

heizou doesn't need to spend that long on-field

[gray oxide]

Imean Jean c4 looks good for every anemo boys until you put her in practice

And every single one has some ability to knock enemies out of her smol Q

[round glen]

Just keep succing them back with sac Kazuha 🥹

[gray oxide]

Ah i see

Wait

Is that an actual mono team

No way

Its not those 3 charas with similar element and a flex slot bs

[neon harness]

Id just keep leveling the 4 units you have on ur team rn, some of the lvl 1 units are good just not for ur current team/roster

[worthy hinge]

there. The last one is faruzan

[round glen]

Yes I enjoy mono teams

[jolly junco]

are you adamant on having separate teams for xiao and wanderer at the same time?

[worthy hinge]

urm no i can just use wanderer instead of xiao but im not sure on who all to build for a new team

[lofty crest]

makes sense. thanks a lot. I'll just continue saving primogems and save for 5 star pulls as much as i can. I'm severely lacking in any sort of strong electro character atm.

[olive isle]

where's that gif of yanqing getting slapped by jing yuan

[gray oxide]

Honestly id recommend Keq aggravate for 2nd half

[neon harness]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/884849474583806069/1119780704679641118/2e3f47518fdc3d84e7d9da4961711c94_4963364139335022288.gif

[jolly junco]

could do
wanderer, bennett, zhongli, faruzan or xiao, bennett, faruzan, sucrose
keqing, sucrose, yaoyao, fischl

[gray oxide]

Id say you prooobably dont wanna do both of them

[worthy hinge]

[worthy hinge]

hmh

[gray oxide]

Like, its either gonna be Xiao or Scara that is underperforming

[worthy hinge]

i see

[gray oxide]

[worthy hinge]

my xiao only deals max 20k anyways T-T

[round glen]

By himself?

[jolly junco]

what's his normal attack talent level

[worthy hinge]

with buffes-

[worthy hinge]

8

[jolly junco]

[round glen]

Probably artifacts?

[worthy hinge]

burst is still at 5 or 6 q-q

[worthy hinge]

yeah i got tired of farming em 💀

[opal surge]

do we know when the fontaine livestream is or is speculating on the date considered leaks in here?

[worthy hinge]

ive done the domain like a 100 times yet no luck lol

[jolly junco]

the livestreams are usually 10-12 days before the next patch, we can guess based on prior dates but we can't say for certain

it's not confirmed

[worthy hinge]

ooh

i havent even opened the desert yet damn

[jolly junco]

have fun in the first part

[opal surge]

tyty

[jolly junco]

the desert underground of the bottom part of the desert is fucking horrible to explore

[gray oxide]

Oh yea

[worthy hinge]

THATS WHY I DIDNT OPEN THAT THING T-T

[gray oxide]

If you really wanna use both Xiao and Wanderer

[worthy hinge]

I LIKE CHASM MORE

[gray oxide]

I prob can only recommend doing 2 runs

[worthy hinge]

O-O

[gray oxide]

1 run w Xiao, 1 with Wanderer

[opal surge]

i felt like chasm was fully fine

was pretty small and high density of stuff

[jolly junco]

yeah chasm is chill

most of sumeru is chill

[gray oxide]

Youre not gonna have fun using them on both halves in the same run

[jolly junco]

but the bottom part of the desert holy fuck it sucks

[worthy hinge]

hmm

[opal surge]

the second part of the desert, the newer one is very nice to explore

[worthy hinge]

damn

[gray oxide]

At least,not with one of them

[worthy hinge]

i see

so shall i build a hyperbloom team?

cuz i literally got a raiden whos just lying there q-q

and uh

ill be pulling for the fontaine archon next-

[jolly junco]

i mean hyperbloom raiden with your options is kinda mid

[worthy hinge]

i see

[jolly junco]

the team that you'd be better using her in unfortunately needs bennett

but wanderer without bennett does penuts for damage

[worthy hinge]

what characters do i need???

[worthy hinge]

the raiden national?

q-q

[jolly junco]

It's not so much you "need" any specific characters but characters like nahida, yelan, kazuha are good to have. particularly nahida if you wanna do dendro teams

[jolly junco]

yeah

[worthy hinge]

oohhh

nahida

shes a meanie q-q

I LOST MY 5050 ON HER 2 DAMN TIMES

welp

:(

if i get nahida then?

[jolly junco]

well nahida basically opens up/makes stronger a lot of different dendro teams

including hyperbloom raiden

[worthy hinge]

due to her linking skill

[jolly junco]

she provides unrivaled amounts of AoE dendro application

[worthy hinge]

yea

[jolly junco]

and she's a catalyst so you can on-field her for even more dendro app

[worthy hinge]

hm

so i do need nahida

🗿 alr then ill do abyss after i get nahid

[jolly junco]

"need" no. would she be good for your account if you wanted to play dendro teams? yes

[teal dust]

nahida's lowkey the most valuable unit in the game imo ngl

[worthy hinge]

im forming a full 7 archon thing 💀

[teal dust]

dendro just too op

[worthy hinge]

zamn true i need her skill for farming stuff

like fruits

[gray oxide]

Imean

We would like to say otherwise

But in terms of value as a limited 5 star Nahida is one of the strongest

[worthy hinge]

real

[gray oxide]

Lets be real

[round glen]

They’re running out of support roles for the archons so it’ll be interesting how the others turn out

[teal dust]

sure, most valuable standalone 5 star

[gray oxide]

Dendro is so overrated coz of hyperbloom

And without XQ that team does

[worthy hinge]

thats true but its easy to build :/

[gray oxide]

XQ is just the most valuable character

[worthy hinge]

i cleared abyss 9th floor with just an unbuild hyperbloom tea

[gray oxide]

He enables many teams, whether it is dendro or non-dendro teams

[worthy hinge]

m

[teal dust]

dendro and hydro in general are just leagues above the other elements reaction wise imo

strong transformative reactions and amplifying reactions

and geo gets 200 dmg shields

ty hoyoverse very cool

[worthy hinge]

hmmh

[gray oxide]

Imean its unfair to compare geo to any other elements anyways

Any other elements are just alot better than it

[worthy hinge]

yeah cuz it crystallizes

[gray oxide]

For which element is the best it just depends

[teal dust]

why is it unfair to say the the reaction sucks compared to other reactions

[gray oxide]

Can never tell for sure, altho hydro has strong characters

[gray oxide]

lets be real, most of the time geo is an element with no reactions

[jolly junco]

they're only talking about reactions themselves not about how good the elements are overall encompassing character strength etc

[worthy hinge]

childe, yelan, xingxiu-

[teal dust]

yeah bc mihoyo made the reaction so useless that theres no point in it

they tried to do what they did with swirl where they made it set dependant but petra is just too clunky to use

[gray oxide]

Physical but piss colored and better

[gray oxide]

True ig

Well id not bother comparing them either way

[jolly junco]

I think petra is mostly fine to use it's just that some enemy hitboxes make it unusable in terms of getting the 4pc bonus

[gray oxide]

If we were talking reactions themself then burgeon is just hyperbloom but better

so dont really like this kind of comparison

[teal dust]

I mean no one said hyperbloom or burgeon

except u

[gray oxide]

Imean

Just trying to say that it can be weird to just compare reactions by themself

[teal dust]

Ok

[gray oxide]

I guess its alright?

Never too fond of the idea of picking the shard up

[jolly junco]

that's fair enough

[gray oxide]

Swirl but more work for lower payoff

[jolly junco]

it's still a pretty good buff for some teams

[gray oxide]

Petra could be nice if they just allow any units to pick and still trigger it

Less of a pain

And it gets 1 real advantage over VV ig

[jolly junco]

I wouldn't compare it to vv so much as other options the character could use

so like comparing set options on zhongli

tenacity uptime is quite often scuffed on zhongli without c2 especially

[gray oxide]

Thats true

[jolly junco]

tenacity will still be best in a lot of teams just due to lacking a good alternate though

[gray oxide]

Imean c2 wouldnt help it much either way

[teal dust]

I mean I just run eosf on my zhongli for a nuke build on the geo ganyu abyss runs

[jolly junco]

c2 does help quite a lot since you can always tap E for the pillar, allows you to reposition and better uptime

[gray oxide]

Some teams just dont benefit from petra yea

[gray oxide]

Imean i dont actually know since i dont have it (obviously), but from what i know the pillar is frail and in alot of teams you just dont wanna switch out either way

It solves 1 problem i suppose

[teal dust]

pull c2 for better performance in the coop content that we're never going to get

[gray oxide]

Either way on those teams loosing dps uptime to recast a 20% atk buff is ehh

I guess its nice on some teams where u have the freedom of switching charas

Can also recast it for when enemies break em

[jolly junco]

just using tap e doesn't take long

and shield strength is nice from tenacity too

[gray oxide]

Imean those teams with infusions that only stay as long as you are on field

There r quite a few, and tbh theyre usually the one that wants ZL more either way

[jolly junco]

yeah use his tap e before you swap to those characters, you don't break their field time just to recast his tap e if the pillar ever breaks

[gray oxide]

Ah true

But yea in those teams might not be the greatest const

Usually the on field dpses that have those infusions needs shields more either way, since theyre usually left vulnerable for an extended period of time

[teal dust]

Theorycrafting is dead, genshin is dead, abyss is dead and geo ganyu killed it.

[gray oxide]

400 dollars for a more consistent teamwide 20% atk

I can imagine someone actually pulling his C2 for that tho

[jolly junco]

i don't think zhongli cons are worth pulling but his c2 at least does something

gives you an excuse to use his burst

[gray oxide]

C1 gives him double the pp double the pain

All of them are just kinda meh

C1 and C6 kinda useless ngl

C4 i guess its kinda the same as C2, but maybe a bit worse

[jolly junco]

c1 isn't bad in some geo teams if you actually invest into offensive stats, since his resonance damage can stack up to be a reasonablish amount

[gray oxide]

there are some cases where youd prob want to Q for the CC

[north sentinel]

guys is tighnari good for cyno?
i means does he worth building for cyno?(im xiao main but got the cyno to lvl 80 and built him but does it worth to switch team (to tighnari and cyno) or just stick with the xiao and bennet?

[teal dust]

two on field dpses cant be out together

[jolly junco]

tighnari and cyno don't work well together no

[gray oxide]

I was thinking more of the extra particles that helps

[north sentinel]

oh k

then what is he good for?

[gray oxide]

Microwave is kinda just

A bit dead as an archetype

A sub archetype rather

[jolly junco]

his c1 doesn't directly increase his particle generation, the pillar particle gen icd is shared between them, but it does make it so his radius for hitting enemies is larger considering 2 pillars

[teal dust]

hes an on field dps just like cyno

[gray oxide]

Suppose it makes it more consistent

[jolly junco]

yeah basically

[gray oxide]

Still, i guess you can also say that

If the enemy can break 1 pillar, they can break 2

[jolly junco]

tighnari is a good quick-swap damage dealer in quicken teams

[gray oxide]

Ig thats just mostly for bosses

[teal dust]

I have zhongli c1 and I don't think it's ever made any difference throughout the almost 3 years ive played for lol

[jolly junco]

problem with cyno is he wants to hog a lot of field time which doesn't work well with how tighnari wants to play

[gray oxide]

CyN, CyYES when

[sick quarry]

What is the difference between flat atk vs atk?

[keen willow]

Lets say your character has 500 base atk
So flat atk +50 would be 500+50, 550
+15% atk would be (15% of 500)+ 500, 575

[lyric cargo]

you mean flat atk vs atk%?

(they're both contributors to the unit's total atk)

[sick quarry]

atk% is generally better because it scales off of your character's base atk stat

It gives you more attack per roll than flat attack (generally)

I think it depends on the base attack of the character and the low or high rolls you get

[neon harness]

U have ayaka or freeze ganyu? Or nilou?

[keen willow]

Do you like kokomi

[sick quarry]

I doubt she will be "powercrept" for her role

[gray oxide]

Here is the formula for calculating your final attack
Base attack * atk% + flat atk

[sick quarry]

She is a good healer and a good hydro applicator

[neon harness]

If you don’t have Mona get kok

[gray oxide]

The thing about flat attack

Is that it always give less than atk%

[haughty lotus]

Lol.

[neon harness]

Skip then

[gray oxide]

Because the base value is nonexistent

[neon harness]

Bals

[sick quarry]

I would get kokomi anyway, I feel like she is much much more useful

[gray oxide]

Its basically just atk% scales better than flat atk

[sick quarry]

Ty, I was asking when looking at the substats. Which one is ATK and Flat ATK? Don't worry I have the answer for that.

[neon harness]

Eh, healing isn’t rly needed in freeze teams cus the enemies are frozen

[lyric cargo]

yeah, any new AoE hydro applicator might end up replacing her on freeze.. but probably not a straight upgrade

[sick quarry]

I guess it depends on the team though, Mona is better on a freeze Ayaka team than compared to a hyperbloom team

[neon harness]

If they can’t be frozen don’t use freeze

I wouldn’t even use kok in a hyperbloom team

[gray oxide]

ATK% is ATK%, ATK is flat ATk