Events: add/keep gifts every event!!!

[halcyon nebula]

Every event should have Limited gifts,

Removing gifts from events will make the game boring,
Leaving nothing to look forward to, hardly any new content to keep the game going (world content)- gifts during event times is what people like to grind for and play for.

If gifts are removed/ minimised from events - players would have nothing to look forward to, with the grind and playtime

[hasty tiger]

honestly the community deserves not getting gifts this year for calling last year's gifts trash and worse than 2023 gifts

[sour storm]

no

[halcyon nebula]

I mean that just means more effort needs to be put it in

[hasty tiger]

and inverted said he might make a few gifts for christmas/halloween

[sour storm]

if you play oaklands just for the gifts genuinely just quit

[halcyon nebula]

I mean i play oaklands for oaklands but with no new content the game is boring, events do keep games going

[hasty tiger]

More effort? 😭

Previous year people got 2 new cars, a merry-go-round or how it's called, and a bunch of other cool stuff

and still called gifts trash

[halcyon nebula]

No real content(map based) is released

[sour storm]

has bro not been to the streams?

[hasty tiger]

events only work as a tiny boost to keep game alive while devs work on next giant update

[sour storm]

a game shouldnt be focused on events

we had twice as many events as updates last year

[halcyon nebula]

Game should be focused on content which is slow

[wild flume]

Fr

[halcyon nebula]

Keeping events mid will just keep the interest also low

[sour storm]

making giant events just takes up even more development time

[halcyon nebula]

Bro the event doesnt have to be giant - creating a gift doesnt make an event giant lol

[wild flume]

Playing the game to only collect a few pixels and hoard them like a pokemon collector only to sell at an extremely high price later is kinda lame

[hasty tiger]

devs can't work on both events and permanent updates at the same time

if you want to make one better, the other will become worse

[sour storm]

it seems the main argument is “we need events to fill in gaps between updates” when making events just makes that gap even bigger

[halcyon nebula]

Explain that to 99% of the game base

[halcyon nebula]

Ehh

[wild flume]

It’s not 99%

[halcyon nebula]

Okay then

[wild flume]

Collecting stuff is a function of the game. But so is making money and building

[hasty tiger]

and also cant forget just doing random funny stuff when bored

and gambling

[sour storm]

im pretty sure every dev dislikes gifts

[wild flume]

If people just collect to purely make money and participate in no other aspects of the game that’s kinda silly

Every player who doesn’t fall into the limited catagory HATES Limiteds

[halcyon nebula]

Yeah but how much can you build or even farm on game stuff when for while theres nothing new, when updates come max it takes a week abd everyone has done everything

[wild flume]

Every museum collector especially

New players who want cool stuff

[sour storm]

have you made a game before?

[halcyon nebula]

Ahh well lets make gifts re obtainable then?

[wild flume]

If the limited community was more relaxed and reasonably priced we would have much conflict

[sour storm]

thats how you piss off the entire community

[halcyon nebula]

So the entire community is what holds gifts

[sour storm]

this has to be ragebait now

[halcyon nebula]

So the whole community takes part in collecting gifts

[sour storm]

yeah this is ragebait

[halcyon nebula]

There u go lol

[sour storm]

you get a super f

[halcyon nebula]

Whats ragebait lol

[wild flume]

The community is to blame for the current state of the market not the mods

[hasty tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/im-gonna-give-you-a-super-f-grades-school-gif-5472315952015792090

[halcyon nebula]

Whos blaming mods or even devs

[wild flume]

They’re not getting rid of gifts they’re just not gonna be limited btw

[halcyon nebula]

Just keep gifts it helps the “community “ that hoard gifts happier and look forward to playing

[hasty tiger]

if people play only for gifts they should quit atp

[halcyon nebula]

Gifts are limited they are limiting gifts in events either adding a few or none

[wild flume]

They do need to explain it more but getting rid of new limiteds and keeping the new ones in circulation is a great choice there’s no reason to wish for more limiteds if that’s your case

[halcyon nebula]

Bro after you have done everything in the game - playing for months/years and the content is still the same, what do you do?

[wild flume]

If you’re only wishing for limiteds I have nothing further to discuss because look at what limiteds have done to market atp it’s terrible

[hasty tiger]

go play something else until the game gets a proper permanent update

or take constant breaks

[halcyon nebula]

Nothing gonna change now brodie

[halcyon nebula]

What if i want to keep playing

[wild flume]

New gifts but not keeping them limited 🔥
New gifts but they’ll be overpriced in a year and new players can’t have them 👎

[hasty tiger]

then play

[halcyon nebula]

The aim of the game is to be played

[hasty tiger]

basically the entire state of market rn

[halcyon nebula]

Thats when players that like the game and have played alot get bored after while

[wild flume]

I don’t belive the devs who are against limited are gonna continue down this road of making their game toxic

30% of the arguments in TD are over limiteds tbh

[halcyon nebula]

Nothing is toxic- its a trading based game

[hasty tiger]

if people get bored, play something else

you know what "burned up" means?

[halcyon nebula]

Thats what keeps the game alive

[wild flume]

It’s a building collecting and trading based game

And money making

[hasty tiger]

it means you got bored and need to do something else and take a break so you dont fully quit of boredom

[wild flume]

All of the catagories together

[sour storm]

“what do i do if i dont wanna play”
“what if i wanna play”
actual hypocrite

[halcyon nebula]

I mean thats what i do, but imagine no new content for months and only thing that makes u play is events

Imagine if events have nothing good to do

Or grind

[sour storm]

quit then simple as that

maybe take a break and walk outside

[hasty tiger]

Devs CANT make new content fast because of events

[sour storm]

surely theres some nice trails in your area

[hasty tiger]

EVENTS slow down PERMANENT content

[halcyon nebula]

How are you telling me quit, im sure devs want people to play their game not wuit lol

[wild flume]

How do new players benefit from having purely exclusive gifts that get overpriced in a year? A big goal for this game is to get new players to stay the average playtime is 20 minutes

[sour storm]

i dont think they will care about one person

[halcyon nebula]

I mean bro alot of the older players can relate

[sour storm]

issue i have with gifts now is that the insanely rich people buy like 2 thousand of them so they have zero value

[hasty tiger]

if we get less event stuff we will get more permanent content

and more permanent content = more playtime

[wild flume]

This game isn’t just about the old players there aren’t enough old players for that

[halcyon nebula]

Get good lol

Skill issue

[sour storm]

im done interacting with this ragebait

take a shower or something oaklands shouldnt be your life

[wild flume]

I’m rich and I’ve never laid a tootsie on a limited. Get ya money up without sharking

Started in September btw

[halcyon nebula]

Lol alright buddy, you are too obsessed with a post, go sit with the devs

[versed burrow]

• asks for opinions
• gives disagreeing opinion
• "go sit with the devs"

[halcyon nebula]

In response to unnecessary comments

If you read above you can see some

[versed burrow]

anyway my opinion; id much rather the devs put their time and effort into more permanent content that doesn't become some random collectible a month after it's introduced, i think their decision to stop adding exclusive gifts will benefit the game as a whole and the new player experience

[halcyon nebula]

Ahh well i hope they do, because the game will get boring too quickly if otherwise

[versed burrow]

i don't see how exclusive content that is only in the game for a month isn't the definition of boring; the only exciting thing is sitting there for a month being like "oh i wonder what's inside!" and then 99% of players complaining that the item isn't a vehicle

[halcyon nebula]

I mean i personally feel like the gifts have not been as creative as it used to be, im not saying all were bad but, some gifts could of had more effort put into it

[versed burrow]

which gifts do you feel like were good then? and which were bad

[halcyon nebula]

Lets talk about xmas 25

[versed burrow]

and as another follow up question, which gifts do you think would have been better suited as a permanent game addition*?

[halcyon nebula]

Okay

[versed burrow]

take your time, i want to hear your actual opinions on this

[halcyon nebula]

So xmas 25

Gift of ruler - nutcracker i really liked
Flames - really good i liked
Sliding snow - not that great
Humminng - meh - more variations would have been good
Blue gift - coal- didnt like it
Musical enjoyment - didnt like it as much, a similar thing but smaller like a toy size would have been awesome -

Hallo:
crystal goods- i think it was cool
Horror- not bad - decent
Witch nightmare- wasnt the best

Gift of knowledge - would of been awesome for perm additions
Gramophone - would have been an awesome perm addition maybe a challenge piece to get to make it something you work for

[versed burrow]

im not seeing really many patterns through what gifts you seemed to like, you seem to like a mix of functional and collectible items

[halcyon nebula]

Older gifts i like them more

Like knowledge is so much more creative

[versed burrow]

any reasons that you can pinpoint?

aside from just it being older

[halcyon nebula]

Like older gifts like knowledge is creative and a nice collectible - alphabets toy blocks -
Snowfall - something cool to have on your plot
Golden times a cool arcade machine
Emotions is alright - its a collectible with variations and something challenging to complete

Most of all gifts are smaller and not too overly big

[versed burrow]

interesting

in my opinion, the best gifts are the ones that serve some use, because i enjoy being able to use something outside of just showcasing it on my plot

stuff like the eggmobile, pumpkin carriage, snowfall/arcade/frozen beats

[halcyon nebula]

Oh yeah i forgot about frozen beats- they are nice and usefull

I like knowledge as it can be used for many things

[versed burrow]

i honestly believe the part of the community that enjoys collecting and hoarding old gifts is a minority

i dont see a reason to ever get more than 1 or 2 of each gift, especially when it includes something like a trophy

[halcyon nebula]

You think?

[versed burrow]

yeah

[sly kayak]

Yeah, don't do this
This goes to everyone, including you @sour storm @hasty tiger

[versed burrow]

if you consider new players, their goals definitely aren't going to be to amass a massive collection of every variation of a gift

[merry wedge]

In my opinion collectibility is what I like in gifts, for instance the crystallised goods, I really liked that set, but if I were to make a change to it, I’d have added a golden/neon colour as well with like a 1/500 chance at of getting one when opened, gives more purpose to trade and grind getting the harder sets

[versed burrow]

i think the main difference between the two mindsets has to be in who prefers collecting or not

[halcyon nebula]

Ideally thats how it has been, but with the way most people go about trading people will also collect loads to sell on

[versed burrow]

yeah, that part of the community is a very loud minority

i think from an objective standpoint that part of the community is very small, and catering to it continuously is not great going forward

[halcyon nebula]

Wouldnt you say its a fair majority as if you see the marketplace it goes wild over gifts?

Like the economy is based on it i would say

[versed burrow]

the economy definitely revolves around the trading of these items, but as you have likely seen recently, the prices for old unobtainables seems to be in a weird state

[halcyon nebula]

Yeah all because new content that can help you earn more money possibly - inflating the economy

[versed burrow]

a matter of fact is that the discord is a small subset of the community, and should not represent the community as a whole

[halcyon nebula]

Ahh i guess so if you consider newer players

[versed burrow]

a trend i see in a lot of communities is the presence of a "loud minority"

[merry wedge]

Old stuff in any game has always and will always be out of reach of new players, as having those items in any game ever is almost like a reward for people supporting the game in its early stages, look at any other game, any alpha/beta items/pets etc are worth a fortune with good reason, new players are more than happy getting a few of the newer gifts and working on collecting older items as and when they save the cash

[halcyon nebula]

Heres something funny - bring back a limited gift by vote, every year haha

[versed burrow]

the most dedicated players, who are often the most distant from the wider community, are often the loudest

[versed burrow]

i think this would piss off the collectors too much for them to consider doing

its kinda a lose lose situation

[halcyon nebula]

Yeah i know, im just kidding

[versed burrow]

either you keep making gifts because the collectors are loud and want them

or you stop and the collectors get very annoyed

[halcyon nebula]

There is that part, which keeping it balanced would be more healthy

[versed burrow]

thats just my opinion on it. i'm not a collector so my stance is obviously biased towards "more permament content"

[versed burrow]

i guess the balance would be less gifts? but if they want to choose to do no gifts and dedicate all of their work towards permanent content, i see that as the best route for new players

they're clearly catering to newer players because that's their main source of income

[halcyon nebula]

If it wont take over a year to achieve lol then why not

[versed burrow]

honestly they only have like 3 developers, it's hard to predict time

i mean they could still add like 1 gift during christmas, that'd probably please the collectors

but adding 5 at once was definitely a LOT

...and considering the backlash to stuff like the coal gift, i don't blame them for not wanting to do more

[halcyon nebula]

Yeahh

[merry wedge]

Probs an unpopular opinion but imma just say it

When it comes to perm updates, I’d much rather them add more stuff to achieve such as the mastery they have been talking about, or maybe a quest line with good items throughout, rather than stuff like the meadows revamp as that doesn’t add much to the game in a sense that it’s fun for a couple hours looking around it, then your back to square 1 with nothing new to do, and to new players, they won’t care as they don’t know any different, they just think the map is the map

[halcyon nebula]

@versed burrow ops on this

[versed burrow]

i do agree with adding more mastery, though i believe the map changes are part of their end vision for the game

[restive fog]

why are yall downvoting this

the gifts are good

[rustic bloom]

Andrew

[restive fog]

who

[rustic bloom]

I don't agree with the sentence "removing gifts from the events will make the game boring leaving nothing to look forward to"

If gifts were the only thing that mattered in this game, then you're not really playing the game.

[rustic bloom]

Gifts don't define this game, if you purely play this game for gifts then there isn't much value that the game gives you

Instead of having devs spend time into gifts I'd rather they focus into the roadmap and more permanent content. Instead of focusing on more limited content that most players will only see for 1 month and get to experience for like 6 months at most before it becomes unreasonably expensive for your average noob.

That's my take on it

[restive fog]

gifts are apart of the game, its tradition, its what runs the trading economy

ofc you can grind for stuff but what would you grind for

[rustic bloom]

Dude, you have a huge base, and it's low-key sick, the building aspect of the game is literally the core value of the game

[restive fog]

if everything in the game is worthless, what really is there to sell materials for once you have all the shop items

[restive fog]

i dont play the game just to build

[rustic bloom]

I know, I'm saying I disagree with what they say. They say removing gifts would make the entire game boring

I'm saying you enjoy building too. You can't say removing gifts would make the game boring would you?

In any case they aren't removing gifts. They're just spending less time on gifts and more time on permanent content.

I don't think they should spend more time on creating models that people would barely use and only inflate because it's limited.

[restive fog]

a lot of the gifts are free models, the gift itself is a free model lol

😭

[rustic bloom]

The gift itself is a free model but not all the gifts are free models

They have done some retexturing for example all the egnesses are retextured

I actually am working on the wiki information on the original models

https://discord.com/channels/1130197532446834690/1479398880259997727

Feel free to check it out here

But it still takes a lot of time. That I think that they could be spending on their current road map ykwim

[halcyon nebula]

I agree but as to how often a content is released - giving out cool grindable events keeps the game going in terms of challenging and collecting

I just would prefer both options - new content map based and still continue with making grindable events which are a bonus with gifts, keep stuff limited also attract the collector player base

[restive fog]

didnt you grind like one thousand of each event gift for the last 6 months of events 🙏 😭

cant forget the 700 lunar staffs too!

[halcyon nebula]

I did because thats what everyone else is doing, in order to compete to even afford an old gift like the wmis i have to otherwise how else can i obtain a gramo etc

[restive fog]

i dont know anyone who grinds that many

apart from one guy

[halcyon nebula]

Many people lol

[rustic bloom]

Me tbf

[halcyon nebula]

Look at dieben

[rustic bloom]

I try to grind at least 750

[restive fog]

thats the 'one guy'

and that isnt a good comparison

[halcyon nebula]

I got 1750 rulers 750 flames and like 1-2k of other ones this cmas

Xmas

[restive fog]

compared to the average grinder

[halcyon nebula]

I know many names that have more than 250+ of certain gifts

[rustic bloom]

I just get fomo from the gifts man, it doesn't really add anything to the game for me

[restive fog]

i dont think anyones going to sell wmis for 2025 gifts

[halcyon nebula]

I know and thats why to compete i would sell these to make money or buy other stuff to trade for a gramo etc

Otherwise wont ever be able to obtain a grammo that i would love on my base

They should have released that halloween gramo in manor, would have been fire

[rustic bloom]

Oh yh the one with the spiders on em

I like that tone

[halcyon nebula]

Yeah that would have been so cool

[rustic bloom]

I agree but gramo owners would probably hate it tbf

[halcyon nebula]

They would in terms of money

[rustic bloom]

Eh doesn't really matter they're almost unaffordable now tbf

Unless I put real money in the game

Which

[halcyon nebula]

Even then how lol

[restive fog]

everyone wants gramo but not edward 😭

poor tree man

[rustic bloom]

Edward is easy to remake lowkey

[halcyon nebula]

If thats all it took and i could legitly pay rea cash i would

[rustic bloom]

Gramo is harder

[restive fog]

wmi players like edward more ifykyk

i know like 2 people who quit and would only crosstrade to get rid of their wmis ....

[rustic bloom]

Honestly it's pretty easy to just put in a couple hundred into oakcash imo I made a math equation to see how much and ended up with like around like 100 for a gbtra

On like a black friday

[restive fog]

😭

[halcyon nebula]

Yeah i wouldnt cross trade id like to legitly buy it if it was possible

[restive fog]

getting enough for a gbtra is only half the issue

[halcyon nebula]

Lol

[rustic bloom]

I mean I have a job that's like 1 day, I could pay to win instead of playing Oakland's for hours for like 5% of my hourly

[halcyon nebula]

Thats why i pay £5 a month on my main and alt to get potions

And sell it

[halcyon nebula]

Ive paid to win on certain games 😂

[rustic bloom]

Do you do the dal rewards too?

[halcyon nebula]

Like i used to buy p2w skins on rust

Every week

I spent £600+ on rust skins

[rustic bloom]

P2w skins isn't p2w progress tho

[halcyon nebula]

I inly usually claim on main acc rather thsn alt, i only did alt when event was on for xmas

[restive fog]

you could pay for oakpass for one month for your 365 day callender for a guarenteed 1m extra

[halcyon nebula]

Yeah ofcourse, on rust its more of an pvp advantage

[rustic bloom]

I think at 365 there's like 3 mil total

[halcyon nebula]

Huh?

[rustic bloom]

Yuh valid

Yeah day 365 you get 1 mil

[halcyon nebula]

Oh really?

[rustic bloom]

2x with the oakclub

[halcyon nebula]

And watching an ad lol

[rustic bloom]

And then like 3x with ad I think

[halcyon nebula]

Ive not hit that

[rustic bloom]

Lol so 3 mil in bad cash

[halcyon nebula]

But

[rustic bloom]

They don't have anything yet for 2 years tho

[halcyon nebula]

P2w that will cost alot no?

[rustic bloom]

That's like 70, if you're already spending it anyways tbf

Like if you already spend it on the potions then you should be fine ig

[forest topaz]

🍿

[halcyon nebula]

Yeah i guess so