Bad Apple LCD [28x21@10fps] (Frame - 0/2173)

[dreamy ibex]

Currently I'm only making the display for it at the moment. I'll update the title and this post as it progresses...

Frames - 0/2173

Bad Apple LCD [28x21@10fps] (Display creation - 40%)

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LCD or billboards?

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1 293 600 bits?

i think thats about 33 170 number interface

17 248 400$

oh nvm about twice as much cause of logic speed

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im doing it with billboards

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should be around 91 198 800$

with relays and stuff in the count

[dreamy ibex]

lcd

[dreamy ibex]

uh no huh?

shouldn't be that many

from my diagrams, the expected number of interfaces should go under 3000

2173 of them are frames

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then i will be the first using billboards hehe

btw when did u start the project?

[dreamy ibex]

I started on September 8 last year until September 20 where I stopped playing Roblox at the time then continuing now

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ah kk

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how so?

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i started bad apple a month ago, i did 150 frames out of 1200 total frames (5fps)

but now im focused on the comp and im not doing any progress on bad apple

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bad apple at 10 fps is 2200 frames

[dreamy ibex]

yeah but some of it is repeating frames and empty

[supple wedge]

oh

how many total individual frame will there be?

[dreamy ibex]

repeating frames is due to the fact that I'm making it that the pixel from the previous frame stays turned on until it is not

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wouldnt you still need to store entire frame at once?

otherwise there'd be no efficient way of reading memory

[dreamy ibex]

well bad apple being black and white makes it simple

so instead of storing the entire frame

i only need to store the differences between frames

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the amount of differences changes each frame

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oh smart

[dreamy ibex]

thats actually how some video format can compress some qualities a bit

[dreamy ibex]

mhm

lets say that there's frame 1 with 80 pixels turned on

and frame 2 with 90 pixels turned on

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oh yeah nvm you can just have varying amount of num interface each frame

still think its gonna be in the 10s of millions but thats already way better

[dreamy ibex]

but the difference between frames is 10 additional pizels

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placing each in the correct spot is gonna be nightmare

[dreamy ibex]

therefore instead of storing 90 pixels or turning off 80 pixels and turning on 90 pixels

i only have to turn on 10 pixels

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how compressed do you plan on making it?

[dreamy ibex]

hence the display being unfinished

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cause with 50 pixel / interface it might be a bit slow to decode

[dreamy ibex]

i already finished the persisting pixels i just only need to finish to turn those pixels off when they are on (to prevent "ghost" pixels)

[dreamy ibex]

oh are you like

thinking of that im doing a row-column scan?

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i usually compress binary by storing 15 digit deciaml and then converting it to binary

[dreamy ibex]

ah so im not doing that

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kk

[dreamy ibex]

im going to draw the wires frame by frame

per interface so thats 2173 manual frames drawn

well difference frames that is

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draw the wires?

you mean the lines?

[dreamy ibex]

ill connect the wires individually per interface on what pixel in the lcd

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you'ill use 1 interface per lcd??

[dreamy ibex]

no per frames

maybe when i finished a few frames of it, it may makes sense?

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kk

i just dont understand how you'd store 588 bit in a single interface

[dreamy ibex]

no im storing the nth frame in an interface

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what does "nth" mean?

[dreamy ibex]

n is a number, any number

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oh ok

[dreamy ibex]

basically what im saying is that frane 1 - 2173 is stored in an interface

so thats 2173 interfaces

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1 interface can only hold up to 15 digit

[dreamy ibex]

its not going to contain what the lcd should display

its going to contain what frame it is

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where do you store the data for the changes tho?

[dreamy ibex]

oh manual wiring lol

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ohhh

so just a terrifying amount of wires

[dreamy ibex]

yep

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1 277 724 at most

[dreamy ibex]

thankfully less than that

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yeah

[dreamy ibex]

extremely less than that

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still crazy number tho

even 100 000 is already a few days worth of wiring

[dreamy ibex]

i only need to change like 30 pixels at most averagely

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thats it?

oh yeah the res is 28x21

[dreamy ibex]

yeeeep

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yeah 65 190 wire is doable

keeping track of it tho 💀

[dreamy ibex]

at most, it can get as low as 5-8 pixels for a few frames

[dreamy ibex]

made a video guide for myself at which frames and at what pixel

so thatll make it easier to track

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did you make a script to generate wich wire your gonna have to do?

[dreamy ibex]

nah, the number interface frame number and the frame number in the video guide I made for bad apple matches

its flipped with grid lines and only showing differences between frames

so while not made with script, i know which wires at least

[dreamy ibex]

first half almost done 😊

[glacial pilot]

can't wait to see the final product

[dreamy ibex]

first half done ☺️

Bad Apple LCD [28x21@10fps] (Display creation - 45%)

315/588 relays
630/1176 wires

[dreamy ibex]

was wiring the 2nd half of the display until a wire that passes electricity lit up and melted causing it to split

guess I can't continue it for now

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i was hoping to actually witness this

[gentle ginkgo]

😦

[dreamy ibex]

we are back boys

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free heater

[dreamy ibex]

should be a new feature for wires in oaklands frfr

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turn wire mess into lovely neutron star

[dreamy ibex]

almost done...

after a few wiring ill start on the frame by frame :d

[spark zenith]

I think if u have reset circuit for those all flip flop it would help for try and error 😆

[dreamy ibex]

got a spark of idea for the MOTION build comp so this might get delayed now that I'm joining it :p

[dreamy ibex]

well that's the top part lol

it's a buncha relays to reset it

or turn it off

[spark zenith]

Like a button for reset it all back to 0 for one click

[dreamy ibex]

yeah

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Gud luck

[undone canopy]

One missed wire looks so annoying

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hm?

[dreamy ibex]

also the price might be around ~3.5m for the stuff

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woah i had forgot about this

[dreamy ibex]

i still want to do it

ill continue it after the comp tho

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i would help you with buying everything ngl just to see this masterpiece finished

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3.5m is a lot, i honestly forgot how much the billboard one would cost

[dreamy ibex]

it's alright

3.5m is not that much

[dreamy ibex]

ok now we are done here

we are continuing this again boys

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yippee

im honestly going to stop playing oaklands for a while, im tired of playing it too much lol

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[dreamy ibex]

95% way there

for the display at least

[dreamy ibex]

finally?

I can start on the animation part now...

https://tenor.com/view/sukuna-smile-grin-jjk-yuji-itadori-gif-18924114

Bad Apple LCD [28x21@10fps] (Frame - 0/2173)

[dreamy ibex]

might increase in another million or two if I want to keep the wires organized

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thats sick

also ima stop making my bad apple with images for now 🙃

too tired to play oaklands after this comp lol

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a

[dreamy ibex]

heh