Krreeee's logic shenanigans

[quiet sand]

@rugged wigeon DID you friend request me

[jovial brook]

i wanna be part of secret organization

[rugged wigeon]

bro

[jovial brook]

is that a secret code to enter?

[rugged wigeon]

5000 messages

[jovial brook]

where?

[rugged wigeon]

[jagged girder]

@rugged wigeon how do i use the interactor

[rugged wigeon]

with a lot of skills

best gate fr

[jagged girder]

i added a new react to post

[rugged wigeon]

[mint musk]

[rugged wigeon]

reversed OR gate

pulls out the smallest

[mint musk]

waow

[rugged wigeon]

today ill work on a system to double the resolution of this display

the logic cost is exponential tho so ill prob wont try tripling

(triple would be like 32x more logic than double)

4 times more pixel is sweet

[jovial brook]

how many pixels

[rugged wigeon]

the current display is 25x20 aka 500 pixel

so with that it would be 50x40 aka 2000

[valid sierra]

When will they give us 100 stacks 🙁

[jovial brook]

I’d rather just be able to set it to 25 instantly

[valid sierra]

Give us a surplus store like costco

[rugged wigeon]

@idle dust

[idle dust]

Oooo

[rugged wigeon]

@analog sun

[analog sun]

[analog sun]

worth icl

[rugged wigeon]

[valid sierra]

Ah thats your encoding?
Do you use one large string per frame?

[rugged wigeon]

no that's for smthing different

my encoding is just number 1-200 rn lol

and 500 stuff for the display

+1 +100

[analog sun]

ngl im just pressing buttons and hoping for the best cant see anything in that crack

[rugged wigeon]

i make gaps 1.5 most of the time

make it 2 if you wanna fit in it

[analog sun]

to late got 20 left 😭

[rugged wigeon]

it only matters during wiring anyway dw

[analog sun]

okay i dont want yall logic ppl yelling at me for making it to tight

45 degree comp never again

[rugged wigeon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1373292545852964875/1377383905308708894/sticker.gif

[sterile temple]

It works 👌👌👌

[sterile temple]

I'll try to implement it into a system today and then into the computer

[spring osprey]

noice

[mint musk]

hi fox 👋

[spring osprey]

hi scot 👋

[analog sun]

@rugged wigeon twin, if i was to make snake using the matrix setup u showd me i would need to make 1 matrix per 1x1 part of the snake to display it on the screen cus if i add another tether and run a dif power thru it but connect tothe same ands it just adds them

how would u do it

[rugged wigeon]

use memory cell

so you can write / reset

[analog sun]

instead of the and gates or what do u mean?

[rugged wigeon]

like keep your current setup but add a layer of memory cell

[analog sun]

that dosent solv my issue tho (it prob dose and im just not understanding it right)

[rugged wigeon]

it lets you save the snake and move it pixel by pixel

[analog sun]

ah that makes sens ty

what if the max length of the snake is 4 pixels how would i lock it to 4.

so it dosnt just keep saving

[rugged wigeon]

why would you want that

[analog sun]

snake

[rugged wigeon]

yeah but when you eat

it gets bigger

[analog sun]

yeah

well soft lock then

until u eat

[rugged wigeon]

uh?

[analog sun]

nvm, how do i keep the pixles to 4 so it dosent keep growing even when it dosent eat

i explaind it bad

[rugged wigeon]

start with 4 and reset the end pixel before adding the new one

[analog sun]

yeah ik but i have no idea how i would do that

calculators?

[rugged wigeon]

you need to save the position of each part of the snake's body

[analog sun]

ama give it a shot but tbh i dont think im smart enough 🙏

[rugged wigeon]

atleast try

[analog sun]

will do

@rugged wigeon think u can show me how to make a timmer loop without the frequency

ik i need to stack tethers or somthing im not shure how tho

[rugged wigeon]

wire a blocker into itself with tether

or a not gate

[analog sun]

yh ik that but i mean a slower one

iv used a not/tether gate befor

[rugged wigeon]

add more tether or use an incrementer

[analog sun]

okay ty got any idea on around how much a tether adds to the delay

[rugged wigeon]

0.01666s

1/60th of a sec

[analog sun]

dosent give consistant pulese what am i doing wrong?

[rugged wigeon]

wdym

[analog sun]

nvm i added 3 more tethers now its consistant

i think

the blink timming is a bit off i think idk

yeaa nah its inconsistant

https://medal.tv/games/roblox/clips/lcD5C6EOXkGxx8tiP?invite=cr-MSx5WkUsMjE4ODg4MjE1&v=8

just tested a frequensy it looks the same in the consistansy so ama just use it ngl

[rugged wigeon]

its based on server speed

[rugged wigeon]

it straight up might not work

[analog sun]

yeah this server lagy

[analog sun]

🥲

[rugged wigeon]

accidental quantum physic

[spring osprey]

Watch out, TD is now orange

(Very scary)

[rugged wigeon]

i am spooked

[sterile mica]

how do i set up a pressure plate with bandsaws?

[rugged wigeon]

interactor

[analog sun]

@rugged wigeon how do u have ur tps counter setup?

is it just a NOT Tether loop + incrementor

displays what it gets every 1 second im guesing

[jovial brook]

Make it hit the corner

[sterile temple]

Blocker loop so it's togleable and 1sec using frequency or hz clock

[analog sun]

Kk

[sterile temple]

I need to redo about 3000 wires first

[sterile temple]

A

[jagged girder]

Best oak update

[rugged wigeon]

@solid hedge

[solid hedge]

THAT TAKES SO LONG

BRUH

[rugged wigeon]

NO IT DOES NOT

[solid hedge]

bro that vid is like 17x speed

[rugged wigeon]

x10 🙉

this tree was tuff

[rugged wigeon]

@cobalt berry @rocky reef

[rugged wigeon]

@rocky reef

[winter shoal]

Put the bandsaws at angles like a grater. Works better that way

[rugged wigeon]

why

[winter shoal]

Because if it's straight, it can catch on the tips of the branches which makes it slower

[rugged wigeon]

so i should like put them along the walls?

feel like it would still do that but i guess i can try

[winter shoal]

Nah just tilt em 5 degrees

[rugged wigeon]

what does that change?

like that?

[rugged wigeon]

@winter shoal

[solid hedge]

@winter shoal WE NEED TO KNOW

to bypass things getting stuck at the filter conveyers and it non stop cutting the ends, i added the one in the middle and made it 5 stacked bandsaws so it cuts slightly faster than the tips get cut

[rugged wigeon]

yeah i did the same butit doesnt fix every issue

[dull furnace]

i had a pit of death but at time wasnt rich so didnt have alot of bandsaw but my idea was to have one at every 45 or maybe even 42.5 degrees and make it almost like a washing machine of death only problem i suffered was my allignment convayors chucking wood under the floors but this was half in the basement anyway so apart from that cuts fast

but my new design just destroys trees fast i stack 3 to4 saws inside of each other then put wall at end of convayors with side ones going into a planker (the sanders are under convayors) which has filter before hits plankers. got 2 to cut the logs to size to fit perfectly in planker or less and then one horizontal to cut any larger trees down to size for the second correction

im gonna add more saws in future to cut at any angles that cant handle a tree a certain way

and a windmill between plankers to stop any blockages

and all connected to a switch so if u really wanted u could get em lined up then cut for the perfect size

or use laser lol i might use laser now

[jovial brook]

thanks

im stealing that

[winter shoal]

Like that yes. Maybe a little more.

[jovial brook]

nvm my one is better

[rugged wigeon]

why more

[rugged wigeon]

show then

[solid hedge]

ong bros all talk

[jovial brook]

its wip

shouldnt of said my one is better but

the one i have is slightly faster

ok nvm

brad is right

lol

[rugged wigeon]

[jovial brook]

lol

[solid hedge]

btw @rugged wigeon if u chop the main stem of the tree and throw the pieces in with a small delay u can bypass a lot of the lag issues. i cant stop the pieces from being stuck midair tho

[rugged wigeon]

what diff does it make?

[solid hedge]

ALSO WHY DO FILTER CONVEYORS HAVE SO MUCH DELAY

[rugged wigeon]

cause they dumb

[solid hedge]

if u throw the whole tree in a lot of the time the server shoots to 15k ping and everything just breaks

[rugged wigeon]

yeah thats cause it get turned into cereals

[solid hedge]

ye

[rugged wigeon]

thats why you dont put bandsaw at the very bottom / end

[solid hedge]

where tf do i put em then

[rugged wigeon]

all along the way but not too close to the end at the end you can have them higher up

[solid hedge]

can confirm it is very effective tho

[rugged wigeon]

sideways

[solid hedge]

wdym by higher up

send pics

[rugged wigeon]

not touching the bottom of the pit where all the small already sanded stuff is

[solid hedge]

mine are like dis rn

[solid hedge]

i got no clue what ur describing

[rugged wigeon]

remove one or two before the filter

[solid hedge]

dis a good enough gap?

or maybe one more

[rugged wigeon]

yeah but then use the fact that th filter conveyor already make an annoying bar in the middle to put a bandsaw in there

[solid hedge]

aight

the more effective it becomes at not making cereal the less storage drawer space it uses XD

and the more trees i can throw in without swapping the drawers

bro the filter conveyors are the actual bottleneck of this

if they werent so slow it would actually work smoothly

[quiet sand]

Hi guys

Ima show my logic system and show y’all how my mechanism works and also lmk if y’all wanna give tips or help improve it (I don’t need tips on hideing wires 😑)

[winter shoal]

I think people who care about neatness are losers.

What? You don't trust your wiring and think that you're gonna need to debug it?

[jovial brook]

I don’t like messy wires

For example

If someone needs help with their wiring and they had tons of wires going on top of each other then it would be pretty hard to help

[winter shoal]

Getting help with your debugging also shows no trust in your abilities

[jovial brook]

wdym

[winter shoal]

So you're telling me that you cannot trust yourself in any way that you need a 3rd party to rewire your own logic.

[jovial brook]

no

[jovial brook]

this person is saying they have messy wires

but also needs help

[winter shoal]

doesnt need help. just would like tips for improvment

This man TRUSTS his own wiring

[jovial brook]

true

i mean you also have times where you need neat wires

if you are making a nice base

[winter shoal]

If the guests cant see it, who cares?

[jovial brook]

true

i do try to keep my wires neat though

ngl idk what im talking about

i just felt like what you said had something wrong about it

[rugged wigeon]

even if you're logic is 100% perfect theres nothing protecting it from future addition

[winter shoal]

There isnt but there is a difference between taking feedback and needing someone else to do your work

[jovial brook]

yea but i think hes talking about the messy wire part

[rugged wigeon]

messy wire aint tuff it's just ugly 🥀

[winter shoal]

youve seen my ms paint wiring. I have well too many number interfaces than needed all in the name of convinience. If ik what im doing why should i care?

[rugged wigeon]

because it cannot be optimized

doing system the way you do it might work but it won't be good systems

just functional

[rugged wigeon]

a

[rugged wigeon]

@honest tendon

[shell yew]

code oaklands inside oaklands

[sterile temple]

I don't think it fits in like 2000 characters

[shell yew]

give it more screen then

[sterile temple]

It's not even screen size I can store a whole 500 pixel screen in 100 interfaces

[bronze nebula]

do you also accept new ideas or smth? like i really would need some vinyl player playlist mechanism,idk if that's possible. Basicly i want music to be random but domt repeat twice one after another,how could i do that?

playlist speaks for itself

[sterile temple]

Give each vinyl an index and use a randomizer but keep the last few value to compare to new output so you can reroll if it's the same

You'd also need to store the length of each vinyl

[bronze nebula]

can yoi actualy build it and make a explanation

im actualy not good at logic

[rugged wigeon]

index is a number you assign to the vinyl using an and gate

and gates output when both input are the same number

you can keep values using relays and cells and compare

using more and gates

[jovial brook]

too complicated

[bronze nebula]

fr

[rugged wigeon]

??

[jovial brook]

they dont know logic so

[rugged wigeon]

oh

https://tenor.com/view/cat-leaf-vibes-vibing-sleeping-cat-gif-17297041570420202318

[jovial brook]

100th repost

[rugged wigeon]

the vid's too big to send in dm everytime someone asks lol

[winter shoal]

Literally how I feel trying to explain logic

[rugged wigeon]

i need to make youtube tutorials for matrices and data

[winter shoal]

Nah that'd be too complicated for ppl who are beginning

[rugged wigeon]

that's why there need to be a tutorial

[winter shoal]

Need to teach em simpler wtuff first

Like conditionals

[rugged wigeon]

it's simple if explained good

[winter shoal]

Some people cant follow a well explained explanation

[rugged wigeon]

matrices and encoders / decoders are only 2 gates

[winter shoal]

Gotta go simpler first

[rugged wigeon]

steap by step

you can make a matrix from a gif player

and most people can understand gif players

matrices are just a bunch of gif player

and a matrix is literally a decoder / encoder too

[winter shoal]

Nah i get that. But like these are 7 year olds who dont understand gif makers

[rugged wigeon]

that's why you explain that first

and from that the rest

step by step

[jovial brook]

i dont understand

[sterile temple]

What part

[jovial brook]

The matrix thing

[rugged wigeon]

what about it

[jovial brook]

Confusing

[rugged wigeon]

like how it works?

[jovial brook]

Yea

[rugged wigeon]

and gates

[jovial brook]

What it’s used for

[rugged wigeon]

to choose the pixel

[jovial brook]

Ohh

Speaking of pixels

Are you gonna make multiple colours?

[rugged wigeon]

i have 113 different characters for now

and ill add like 32 colors

[jovial brook]

nice

[limpid basin]

guys I have a dumb question, but how do you place all those logic blocks and wires in parallel, can you replicate logic or am I doing something wrong?

[rugged wigeon]

one by one

it's painful

[limpid basin]

wow I see thats such a pain

[sterile temple]

I usually place all the gates then move them away and do it layer by layer

[trim bison]

krreeee

How are you so good at logic I can only make slot machines

[rugged wigeon]

i do it alot

been 2 years

[rugged wigeon]

only about 1500 wires left

did like 5500 today

[rugged wigeon]

all wired just need to wire it to the billboards

and prolly debug

[dull marten]

making more resolution on a billboard by making subdivision images for it

of course...

it's genius

why didn't I think of that?

[rugged wigeon]

careful you need a puller to make it work

and it only works up to x2 res or its way too much combination

if you use it for non memory stuff you don't need a puller tho

and way more res is fine

[dull marten]

if you do 3x3 res, it'd be 80 combinations already

it increases way too fast

[rugged wigeon]

yeah

x2 is more than enough lol

[dull marten]

but still a genius approach..

[rugged wigeon]

what do you wanna use it for

[dull marten]

yeah being able to do 0.5 studs pixels is already good when the limit is 1 stud for led and billboard

[rugged wigeon]

billboard can be 0.5

[dull marten]

oh

then uh... 0.25 studs

which is a lot already 👀

[rugged wigeon]

another thing you can do is layered billboard

if you want smaller pixels

up to like 0.05 stud realistically

[dull marten]

nothing as of rn, im not that smart enough to make it work for bad apple xd

speaking of... NO progress on it for the past 6 months

[rugged wigeon]

billboard or leds

[dull marten]

leds

[rugged wigeon]

ooch

how compressed did you make it?

[dull marten]

painful

[rugged wigeon]

the data for the display

[dull marten]

manual input 😔

[rugged wigeon]

yeah but like

how many pixel / interface

[dull marten]

oh uh let me check

been a while

28x21

[rugged wigeon]

bruh

[dull marten]

[jovial brook]

I look away and then see 10018483948 messages

[rugged wigeon]

the display?

[dull marten]

the display yeah

[rugged wigeon]

28x21

[rugged wigeon]

you should try storing the data as deltas

would make it wayyyyyyy less numbers

cause rn you need like 13 interfaces / frame

[dull marten]

oh that's what it's called

delta encoding

[rugged wigeon]

when you only store the difference between each frame

[dull marten]

actually I did do that!

[rugged wigeon]

wooo

nice

[dull marten]

by making it toggle between black and white instead

which allowed me to input way less

lowkey i should've taken a look at some existing examples of displays so I have an easier time

although it'll be more expensive but I'd take it than manual input

[rugged wigeon]

how many frame do you need total?

[dull marten]

looking at it

~2100 frames and I'm like

300 frames on it

[rugged wigeon]

how many interfaces does it take to store a single frame?

[dull marten]

one

like number interface?

[rugged wigeon]

for a 28x21 display?

588 pixels in one interface ;-;?

[dull marten]

it's primitive by having the wires act as a frame xd

[rugged wigeon]

ohhhhh wait yeah i remember

its fully wires not encoding lol

[dull marten]

old screenshot i cant run oaklands

[rugged wigeon]

painful

[dull marten]

it is

[rugged wigeon]

can't even automate the process ./=

unlike with encoded stuff

[dull marten]

the t flip flop stuff makes it so that i only have to input the pixels by the difference between frames

if i learned matrices I'd probably have an easier time

although a bit more expensive because I'd need more interfaces

[rugged wigeon]

would be alot of pasting values inside interfaces

more braindead

[dull marten]

yeah!

[rugged wigeon]

fox was making a billboard one but gave up while doing the 3341 matrix lol

[dull marten]

3341 matrix?

[rugged wigeon]

a number to image id thingy with 3341 slots

like a giant gif player

[dull marten]

i remember, i think there was two sets one for preloading and the main one

[rugged wigeon]

that was for the old version with no preloading yeah

for billboard you need to preload every frame

[dull marten]

yeah

[rugged wigeon]

like dis

[dull marten]

yeah because it disappears when it's not displayed

[rugged wigeon]

it's not in memory so it takes a bit to appear yeah

[dull marten]

also funny 😔

you also have a mu symbol too

[rugged wigeon]

mu?

[dull marten]

the one under capital Z

[rugged wigeon]

oh pico yeah

i just recreated my irl keyboard lol

[dull marten]

the symbol is a lowercase greek mu which is used for micro prefix

[rugged wigeon]

yeah i see it alot in biology

[dull marten]

oh

french keyboard

[rugged wigeon]

🇫🇷

[dull marten]

yeah ok that makes sense why you have a mu lol

[rugged wigeon]

and all the other goofy symbol i can't even say here without getting message deleted 🥀

[dull marten]

us keyboards doesn't have alt gr because it only has two symbols on numbers which can be done by capslock

[dull marten]

the ones with diacritics?

your keyboard has an acute and grave accent e

[rugged wigeon]

yeah and anything that's not a plain letter

[dull marten]

im guessing to prevent bypassing ❤️‍🩹

[rugged wigeon]

yeah

pretty much every alt gr stuff

[dull marten]

oh well, I saw two of your videos and they are really cool like dang

[rugged wigeon]

wich ones ;-;?

[dull marten]

the 3d graphics renderer and the keyboard display

[rugged wigeon]

kk

working on a secondary screen layer for cursor and stuff rn

thingy that move around alot and dont stay in memory

[dull marten]

the keyboard display having new line and backspace is impressive lol

[rugged wigeon]

ill even implement moving lines around

there's scrolling

[dull marten]

[rugged wigeon]

scrolling down is directly implemented and scrolling up will need a bit of magic

[dull marten]

well good luck!

[rugged wigeon]

good luck with your 1800 frames

[dull marten]

save me

[rugged wigeon]

idk how you even see your wires

[dull marten]

i slowly move a guide 0.25studs

[rugged wigeon]

ohhh like this?

https://discord.com/channels/865737627712749579/1328518131408441508

if only they added this

[dull marten]

more like this

[dull marten]

true so true

[rugged wigeon]

heat sink 😭

[dull marten]

you can see how there's only one color very visible in this angle

[dull marten]

display was too hot 💔 💔

[rugged wigeon]

how much fps are you getting?

[dull marten]

it's 10 fps

[rugged wigeon]

i meant your client

[dull marten]

pretty smoothly as well

[rugged wigeon]

when wiring

[dull marten]

drops down to 30 fps

[rugged wigeon]

ok so it might be the gates that lag alot :/

[rugged wigeon]

nvm 😭

i go from like 240fps to 24

[dull marten]

from 60 fps i mean

then again it's not too many wires at the moment

[rugged wigeon]

[rugged wigeon]

30 number billboard decoder

40*

[limpid basin]

what block is that display

[rugged wigeon]

billboard

[limpid basin]

oh interesting

this could be perfect for my elevator

[rugged wigeon]

it needs a pretty big slab of logic to turn the number into an image id

this is for 40 of them

[limpid basin]

hmm do you have the image ids for the numbers?

[rugged wigeon]

97933367560796

96169311137749

137352229545798

134869852171331

132147635868386

[limpid basin]

i guess a map to eah of the ids works?

[rugged wigeon]

110295538738843

97854344718956

115236291406286

71678757526238

105715911772273

[rugged wigeon]

with and gates and relays yeah

[limpid basin]

mhm

[rugged wigeon]

but if you got alot you can make it go trough multiple one by one to use way less gates

[limpid basin]

thx I'll give them a try

[jovial brook]

i keep thinking it hit the corner

[sterile temple]

It does sometimes

[rugged wigeon]

ill start a very very important part of the computer wich will actually make iot a computer soon

ill try to document it there

like explain what i'm doing and not just send vids of the result

[jovial brook]

lol

[jovial brook]

i buy all for 5 cash

[rugged wigeon]

got a bit sidetracked rn i wanna make a quick 2d and 3d single point controller

should look very cool

screensaver maxing

[jovial brook]

lol

[rugged wigeon]

gawd i hate this

[sterile temple]

Almost done with the magic spinny 2d

Just need to round it

[timid rapids]

I wanna be able to follow along. you are making a computer? what have you done so far?

[rugged wigeon]

rn i got a monitor a full text editing programm with the keyboard and a font decoder as well as dedicated circuits for 3d rendering 2d polynome rendering and single point 2d and 3d movement / rotation

[timid rapids]

any progress on a general processor?

[rugged wigeon]

the processor is the simplest part ill do last

want a compiler first

[timid rapids]

how is it the simplest part? lol

[timid rapids]

what do you think it's design would be like?

[rugged wigeon]

processor would jsut be a bunch of and gates and relays moving the data around

[timid rapids]

ok but you need an instruction set and a way to decode them

[rugged wigeon]

that's what the and gate are for

decoding

and gates don't work like irl

[timid rapids]

how many bits / max number size would you be working with? how will you represent negative numbers? what operations are you going to implement in your ALU? (bitwise operations?)

[rugged wigeon]

15 digit numbers negative number will just be an extra flag and ill include pretty much every bitwise and standard operation including some funky ones that are not supported by the calculator directly

[timid rapids]

plan for conditional logic?

[rugged wigeon]

yeah

[timid rapids]

I mean what it is if you have one rn

[rugged wigeon]

oh it's gonna be a simple check before running an instruction wich is just gonna be blank when there's no condition

[timid rapids]

ok

[rugged wigeon]

rn i'm mostly working on ui and dedicated circuit for specific stuff to make the instructions / calculations way faster

[timid rapids]

nice

what about memory?

[rugged wigeon]

got 200 ROM slot (each slot is 15digit) 500 RAM in the display and ill make another 200 RAM slot as well as dedicated memory for stuff such as text files / compiled programms

[timid rapids]

will each instruction take a whole slot?

[rugged wigeon]

it should yeah

a slot is a single gate

and there shouldnt be a gazillion instructions

[timid rapids]

wait, got an example of a slot?

[rugged wigeon]

wait do you mean for the saved programs ?

or for the instruction reading

[timid rapids]

save programs, but I don't think Ik what your memory slots look like

[rugged wigeon]

oh for saved programms it would be about 5 instruction / slot

or 7 if i don't plan on having more than 100 instructions

[timid rapids]

right, with memory cells, yea?

[rugged wigeon]

yeah

way less if you count the variables and stuff

[timid rapids]

and will you have different addressing methods for each type of memory?

[rugged wigeon]

but overall ill be happy if i can fit a whole 500 chracter worth of text into 50 gates

[rugged wigeon]

it should be all the same cause of how memory works

[timid rapids]

right, but that means all your slots will be addressable by parts for the instructions?

[rugged wigeon]

nou

it would acess the full slot

[timid rapids]

you would decode 5 per read?

[rugged wigeon]

the 5 are compressed and then get decompressed

into 5 slots

[timid rapids]

ok, neat

[rugged wigeon]

but i don't expect programms to be more than like

50 instructions

[timid rapids]

fair

[rugged wigeon]

50 instruction would already be slow af

with no dedicated circuit

[timid rapids]

cuz of limit on cycles per second?

[rugged wigeon]

each logic gate takes a tick to process and the game runs at 60 tps

[timid rapids]

what's max clock speed then? 30/s?

[rugged wigeon]

so with conditional stuff etc you can expect to run about 5 instruction per second prolly less

[rugged wigeon]

yeah

no way i'm running it at 30 hz tho

[timid rapids]

why?

[rugged wigeon]

would only give me 2 gates worth of delay to play with

aint no way i'm changing a value sending it back to memory and re using it in 2 ticks

[timid rapids]

you could make some operations take multiple cycles

[rugged wigeon]

they would pretty much all take the same time

roughly

[timid rapids]

what about a simple move Instruction?

[rugged wigeon]

yeah that would be shorter

but the system i'd need to change the speed based on the instruction would slow stuff down

cause i need to send the instruction and wait for the amount of loop it's supposed to do before doing anything

overall conditionnal stuff slow down logic a ton

[rugged wigeon]

workin on compressed images rn

should be 150 pixel / s if i lock in

[rugged wigeon]

ok it's gonna be 750 pixel /s

[timid rapids]

what does this mean?
also nice speed

[rugged wigeon]

storing the most amount of bit in a single num interface as you can

and then decoding it to display

[timid rapids]

so 56 bits?

[rugged wigeon]

52 apparently

how would you do 56?

[timid rapids]

is that including the decimal places? I just did log2 to guess

[rugged wigeon]

yeah

but ill do 50

cause my screen is 25x20 and i'm plotting 25 at a time at 30tps

[timid rapids]

nice

[winter shoal]

I wouldnt use too many of em. They break often for me

[rugged wigeon]

what?

transmitter and reciever are 100% reliable once setup

[winter shoal]

Ive had so many times where I had to rewire stuff cuz the transmitter and reciever didnt wanna work when i loaded in

[rugged wigeon]

its janky once and then it works forever

[winter frost]

Ah yes

Key board

[sterile temple]

That's screenshot is so old there like 4 times more character now lol

[winter frost]

yea

[sterile temple]

Believe it or not this is gonna make the 3d renderer about 12 times faster

[jovial brook]

cause of the wireframe gone behind wall thing?

[sterile temple]

Nou

[jovial brook]

how?

[sterile temple]

Render save compressed frame play them back at crazy speed

[jovial brook]

im confused

[sterile temple]

It's like blender

You render an animation

That takes time

then you got a video that you can play

[jovial brook]

ohh

i thought it was just the walls

[sterile temple]

It's a wire frame

[jovial brook]

now im more confused

[winter shoal]

Imagine saving a video to your phone instead of going onto youtube every time. Similar to that philosiphy.

[jovial brook]

yea but im getting confused about what it had to do with the picture

[winter shoal]

The picture is of a computer designed to show a spinning cube only using maths gates. He made a contraption that allowed him to save the frames and render them as such to save time rather than having to load each frame in real time.

(short of it. He probs used memory cells)

The wireframe is non related

[rugged wigeon]

basically i can load a 25x20 picture in 1/3rd of a second

but if i draw the shape one pixel at a time it takes 4 second

it's like if you had to redraw every frame of an animated movie each time you watched it vs having all the frame done and piecing them together

[jovial brook]

very unexplained picture i guess

i thought you were showing the walls lol

[rugged wigeon]

what walls

[jovial brook]

this

[rugged wigeon]

those are stripes

10101010

[jovial brook]

no the walls around the computer

[rugged wigeon]

bruh

[jovial brook]

lol

its kinda confusing cause right after you said believe it or not

so this whole time i was thinking the walls did something

[rugged wigeon]

nah i actually did make it 12x faster

[jovial brook]

nice

[rugged wigeon]

first time using an incrementer not wired to a single input value

very emotional

[rugged wigeon]

making big boy encoder

[rugged wigeon]

current mess

[rugged wigeon]

30 memory slot for 500 bit each

[olive lodge]

Gaming PC when?

[rugged wigeon]

when you manage to fit 3000 lines of code into less than 500 num interfaces ill make you a personalised one for free

[jovial brook]

Easy

I just use - 500 number interfaces

[rugged wigeon]

and then what

[olive lodge]

Write 3000 lines of code

[jovial brook]

Yea

[olive lodge]

Except ion know how to code

[jovial brook]

I do

Step 2 complete

[jovial brook]

Need wiring help?

[rugged wigeon]

wdym

[jovial brook]

Wait nvm why did i ask that if I can’t even play lol

[rugged wigeon]

i despise toggle state so much that i'm considering decoding the whole stuff all at once making the 3d renderer about 120x faster

(15 000 bit /s)

[rugged wigeon]

i'm just gonna make a big big button to render a slot

it's not THE fastest way but it's the most hmm

reusable ig

[winter shoal]

OB

[rugged wigeon]

dog

[desert grove]

can you remake chatgpt in oaklands

[rugged wigeon]

yes but no

boring cause its just alot of memory spam

[rugged wigeon]

looks weird but i swear it's peak logic

[tribal jolt]

Bro's making AI

[winter shoal]

It's really not that hard to make an AI algorithm.

[rugged wigeon]

go do it

[tribal jolt]

In oaklands.

[winter shoal]

Just to note. I am not talking on generative AI. I am specifically talking about the idea that you can recieve an automated output from an estimate or calculation derived from a database

[rugged wigeon]

oh then i made multiple already

[winter shoal]

My point exactly. We can all easily make a version of excel

[rugged wigeon]

pathfinding AI

[rugged wigeon]

just realised how 7 and 14seg were supposed to be used

[desert grove]

1 how long did this take
2 why

[rugged wigeon]

the plot has 320 hours

and because i need to think about something

the pacman plot has like 100 hours i think

[tribal jolt]

Ya so like

How laggy is your server.

[rugged wigeon]

60 tps when nothing is running

40 fps tho

[tribal jolt]

I mean thats not Tooooooo bad

I was expecting like 5-10 fps.

[rugged wigeon]

thats if i get my camera in the big logic block

this one

[tribal jolt]

Bro has a logic block

and hes building a shed for it

Nah bro just make it a garage and put your enemies in ther

[jovial brook]

How they meant to be used?

[rugged wigeon]

the top output is for zeros

[jovial brook]

Wait what

I thought it was for if there was an input

[desert grove]

How much memory does ur base have

[sterile temple]

83 umb

[desert grove]

Can you run doom on it

[sterile temple]

I can display doom

Rn it runs Word Paint 2d rendering and 3d rendering

[gloomy marten]

That’s very impressive

[sterile temple]

How did you scroll that far up 😭

[gloomy marten]

It put me at that spot when I clicked on the thread

[sterile temple]

Ah I guess you clicked on it 9 month ago too

[gloomy marten]

Yeah probably did

lol

[desert grove]

You think it's possible to actually run doom on it?

[sterile temple]

Rendering doom would be so slow

A single cube is like 4 second already

[sterile temple]

All 5 decoder and the encoder are done

Tommorow hopefully I can do some memory slot

4 or 8

Idk yet

And then I'll sidetracked a Lil to make some nice interface and QOL

[gloomy marten]

what are you making that requires this much logic?

[sterile temple]

A computer

[gloomy marten]

ohh noice

[tribal jolt]

Make a moving mecha

[sterile temple]

Not possible 🥀

Also that's not rlly logic

[tribal jolt]

ye I kinda saw that awnser coming ngl

https://tenor.com/view/cat-laser-cats-funny-attached-gif-7554835

[sterile temple]

I can make an evil robot programm tho

[tribal jolt]

Shud do that

[dim girder]

wow

[jovial brook]

Make scratch

[rugged wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-spongebob-spongebob-meme-patrick-meme-dumb-patrick-gif-9974665538168463324

[prime spruce]

eejaa ejjaa jaja jaja jaja

[jovial brook]

Lol

[tribal jolt]

Is there a way to make one switch have priority over another? like if I wanted to keep a door open when theres a pressure plate

[gloomy marten]

You could use a blocker

[tribal jolt]

wait why dont people just use pressure plates to call an elevator to that floor. ive never seen anyone do that.

[jovial brook]

Probably just the way it looks

And I use proximity things most of the time

[tribal jolt]

fair

If u want to be extra fancy you could add a chat box to the proximity that says "Calling elevator"

[sterile temple]

Cause most of the time you wanna call it only on certain times

[winter shoal]

Cuz i use a chat commander like any lazy person

[winter shoal]

When qwerty version?

[rugged wigeon]

never

[winter shoal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/849682965276655617/1378761103483338933/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp_1.gif

[spring osprey]

oh god i just noticed

french keyboard, no qwerty

criminal

[spring osprey]

mm

surely that would be easy

right kree? :)

https://tenor.com/view/get-real-normal-face-cursed-normal-face-geometry-dash-green-face-gif-14929186652676883041

[rugged wigeon]

i mean technically

it would be slightly easier to run than actual code

but making a proper UI would be way harder

[olive lodge]

No pain no gain

[tribal jolt]

Make a original game on it

[rugged wigeon]

wdym

yipee

[tribal jolt]

Like make up your own game. and put it on that computer

[rugged wigeon]

oh

what kind of game

[tribal jolt]

Idk. Thats your job

[rugged wigeon]

bruh

[tribal jolt]

Lol

Strategy game

[rugged wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/goofy-cat-gif-2489042263160225691

[tribal jolt]

https://tenor.com/view/pull-up-gif-27248157

[winter shoal]

Bro already made pacman

[errant gulch]

real question is how do you know what ur doing

[rugged wigeon]

ive been doing it for 3 years

[errant gulch]

It’s so hard to even learn the basics

[rugged wigeon]

yeah cause theres 0 documentation

[jovial brook]

"Woops, we accidentally deleted everyone's wires in the latest update."

[tribal jolt]

Lol

"Whoops Krreeee's base was the only one affected in the latest update" Must have had to much data

[rugged wigeon]

93 umb of pure logic ./=

[jovial brook]

you sure its pure logic?

[rugged wigeon]

theres like 100 schems max

the wire actually take more data than the gates

[jovial brook]

the lack of printing on the components say otherwise

definetly second hand

and fake

[jovial brook]

how much time does it take you to do this?

the wiring

[rugged wigeon]

like 1 hour per layer

[gloomy marten]

Dayum

[rugged wigeon]

if you do a computer one day make the monitor way smaller

[tribal jolt]

93 is alot less than I was expecting ngl

I was expecting like 250-300

[rugged wigeon]

server dies at 250

straight up

[tribal jolt]

Doesnt your game already run at like 40 fps

[rugged wigeon]

when i'm looking at the biggest logic block i'm at 30 fps with max graphic

[tribal jolt]

You should make a new plot and see how far it can go before the server dies

[rugged wigeon]

250

[tribal jolt]

I feel like it would be alot less with logic

Is that like including a base or just pure logic?

[rugged wigeon]

the total amount of umb a server can handle when you add up everyone plot

[tribal jolt]

Oooh

Also yk how i could make an a main switch for my g arage door. someone said to try a blocker but that just blocks the output I need.

Im tryna make it so when I flip a switch it keeps the door open

cuz im tired of it shutting on my truck

[rugged wigeon]

wire the switch directly to your interactor

you can have multiple wire on one input

[tribal jolt]

Wait.

Wow I was rlly overcomplicating that

[rugged wigeon]

lol

[tribal jolt]

Was gonna figure out a way to use a NOTGate for it Lol

Yup thats exactly what I needed.

[rugged wigeon]

4 layer

[gloomy marten]

How much money have you spent on logic do you think?

[rugged wigeon]

over 50mil

[gloomy marten]

Oh my gawd

I’ve never had that amount of money before in Oakland’s lol

I’ve seen someone with over 200 million

More than likely because of their shop

[tribal jolt]

I need 200m

[gloomy marten]

lol

[winter shoal]

Just because it's documented doesnt mean people will understand

[sterile temple]

What are you yapping about 😭

[jovial brook]

Thanks for the tip lol

[winter shoal]

About how documentation wont help ppl learn the basics much

[sterile temple]

That doesn't make sense you just like pretending you know what you're talking about

[idle dust]

Dangggg

[winter shoal]

😔

It's true. I havent even made 1 somewhat complex logic creation

(i'm lazy)

[rugged wigeon]

all wired up

[jovial brook]

L

[rugged wigeon]

your worse

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/845318240745160775/1420173120022515823/s3QQGPl.gif

[jovial brook]

grrr

[tribal jolt]

I saw someone who didnt know you could hide wires. Or know you could move the interactors area. It may not help that much but im sure it would be a drastic change.

[jovial brook]

how do you hide wires?

[jovial brook]

you should add me

on my main

[tribal jolt]

Bro explained it without saying a word

[sterile temple]

Why?

[jovial brook]

Why not

[rugged wigeon]

i tought i did already

[jovial brook]

thats my alt

[brittle osprey]

Only just found this! Nice work mate

[brittle osprey]

bro this is absolutely wild

[rugged wigeon]

thx

[rugged wigeon]

twice more RAM than the computer that landed on the moon

added it

[tribal jolt]

[gloomy marten]

Dude you know logic way way way way better than I do

This is impressive

[rugged wigeon]

thx

[sterile temple]

You can do it enough and surpass me one day lol

[gloomy marten]

Idk about that one

I only know how to make a car spawner and despawner

[sterile temple]

If you asked me 3 years ago I would've prolly answered the same

[gloomy marten]

Dayum

I mean we all start somewhere

[sterile temple]

Might make a tutorial soon about how to make a computer starting from scratch

Cause there isn't any proper logic tutorial rn

So I'd like to start with simple thing and work all the way up to this

[gloomy marten]

Yooo I lowkey need that

[sterile temple]

Idk if it should be a big 3 hours video or multiple parts so people choose what they need

The computer would prolly need a video by itself

[gloomy marten]

Yeah

[jovial brook]

We need a Tool for a touchscreen

And a touchscreen thing

[rugged wigeon]

16.7s saving 3.3s loading files
maybe 1.6s load

[brittle osprey]

yo thats so cool

how does it type the letters? Electric billboards?

[rugged wigeon]

yeah image id's

compressed into indexes

[brittle osprey]

damn thats awesome

[rugged wigeon]

compressed into instructions

[brittle osprey]

The full keyboard too is awesome haha

[rugged wigeon]

logic is a bit hidden for that

[brittle osprey]

dayum

[brittle osprey]

rip all the uploading you must have had to do

[rugged wigeon]

a friend made a plugin for that

[brittle osprey]

oh really?

how does it work?

[rugged wigeon]

yeah using roblox studio mass import it can sort and print all the id's in a list and then i got a macro on my computer to paste stuff easily

[brittle osprey]

yo thats coool

I absolutely hate uploading assets

I wish id known about this when i made all the UIs for my shop

[rugged wigeon]

it's only worth using for more than like 10 id's

[brittle osprey]

yeah thats very true

i tend to just upload a few slides at a time as i make them

[tribal jolt]

Im making a 3 in 1 auto unloader at the moment

To lazy to put them all in seperate machines lol

[winter shoal]

Why? You only need 1.

[rugged wigeon]

no he means like rock tree and fruit all in one

3 in 1

[rugged wigeon]

i think you have image perm here

[tribal jolt]

I do but its kinda hard to get it all in one image

I have it so that like they all fall on the same platform but then get seperated

like front left and right

Then theyre all sent upwards into my truck

[rugged wigeon]

noice

[tribal jolt]

Rlly the only thing thats the same about them is where they all teleport into the lil camber

after that theyre seperated

This is the best picture I could get of it

The top is where the jars and fruits go

The left is ores and front is for tree's ofcourse got the bandsaws hidden away but theyre close to the bottom

Oh and they enter threw a storage drawer

That picture dont make it live up to its glory Lol

[rugged wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/arriba-gif-12324188786972117417

[tribal jolt]

Lol

Crazy how much room you have when your plot isnt covered in wires

[rugged wigeon]

tbh if i made the renderer not all flat and compact it wouldnt take 2/3rd of my plot

[tribal jolt]

You should make pokemon

[rugged wigeon]

too much preset data

a pokemon fight i could

[tribal jolt]

Whats the most wanted pokemon fight.

[rugged wigeon]

Volo

or Cynthia

[tribal jolt]

you think you could do theyre characters or just the moves?

[rugged wigeon]

character would just be some animations

[tribal jolt]

I mean really all you need for the moves is a little box lol

Unless you plan on animating those

[rugged wigeon]

i doubt ill make it

would be a bit boring

gif spam

[tribal jolt]

lol

What about mario

[rugged wigeon]

yeah i got the logic for that

but same stuff

[tribal jolt]

Could also do one of those old racing games

[rugged wigeon]

big sideway shifter and a bunch of ROM

[rugged wigeon]

got the logic for that too

[tribal jolt]

Noice

[winter shoal]

Do pokemon showdown.

I should make pokemon showdown

(I will immeadiatly stop working on it)

[rugged wigeon]

yeah just make a few available teams tho

[winter shoal]

Was thinking of just doing gen 1 mons instead

[rugged wigeon]

151 thats already too much

just do like 15

[winter shoal]

There's like 40 if u take out all the nfes

[rugged wigeon]

if you rlly wanna do it properly 40 is a bit much

[winter shoal]

Nah obviously ill cut it down a good bit. Get rid of alot of stuff like dv and do stuff on billboards

[rugged wigeon]

need like atleast 10 animations per pokemon

and like 30 frame per animation

[winter shoal]

Pokemon showdown uses no animations

[rugged wigeon]

that's sad

[winter shoal]

Only for gen 1 tho. Later gens they do have their own animations but it comes from a set of like 10

[rugged wigeon]

with no animation you can hundreds then yeah

[winter shoal]

So it still is VERY basic animations wise on pokemon showdown

[rugged wigeon]

indexed attacks

[winter shoal]

Honestly the movepool will most likely be the hardest part

[rugged wigeon]

that's why you index it

[winter shoal]

I will (I won't)

Man when will hoofer allow a logic component that lets you create a string.

[rugged wigeon]

you can prolly fit a whole attack data in a single num interface

[winter shoal]

Doubt that. Cuz u need power, type and accuracy.

[rugged wigeon]

those 3 things are 10 digit max

[winter shoal]

True. Number splitters exist. I completely forgot

[winter shoal]

Preaciate it. Will look at it if I ever get back into oaklands.

[rugged wigeon]

[olive lodge]

Bro overclocked it

[rugged wigeon]

playing a bit of upload labs its a cool game

[flat gazelle]

Me and AdAvMe are making a computer, any tips?

[rugged wigeon]

don't use binary

also try using billboard as display

and don't make your display too large

from what i'm seeing you're not using a matrix for plotting stuff you should def try that too

are those num interfaces on the right btw?

[rugged wigeon]

oh also don't wire at an angle like that

[rugged wigeon]

now i should jsut need to them all that to the save stuff

@wicked kernel check dis out (encoded stuff that doesnt use binary)

the harddrive worked first try oh my

[wicked kernel]

what are you using aside from binary to encode?

[rugged wigeon]

indexes

it turns an image id into a corresponding index so i can fit 5 per cell

[wicked kernel]

ah okay you're using a lookup table

are you just storing the index as a plain number?

i did something similar for my lookup table but i encoded it in binary with 6 bits per index

so i could get 8 text chars per num int

[rugged wigeon]

yeah i did the math and it's pretty much identical compression if i turn it into binary

[wicked kernel]

ah okay

yea i imagine the ratio works out where base 10 works better in some cases compared to base 2