MOB!!

[stable roost]

cause its like little bitty branches

[low moon]

mhm no longer just sawing the tree lol

[stable roost]

oh

[torpid ocean]

if you cut off like 1 branch

it can do it

[low moon]

oh

[stable roost]

well

[low moon]

well see thats kinda problem no?

cause like me personly if i wanted to grind and make money the same exact way id just chop off the tiny bit

[torpid ocean]

i think

ill have sanders be like it is for saws rn

and do less on saws

[low moon]

yes

[stable roost]

yes....

[low moon]

i full on think thats best

[stable roost]

cause yeah makes sense that a sander can knock out a tree

[torpid ocean]

oak seems to be similar volume to magma

[low moon]

ah

[torpid ocean]

im pretty sure the magma tree generation is litearlly just oak with more extreme angles

[stable roost]

hmmm

maybe you should revamp magma trees?

[low moon]

like look wise?

[stable roost]

idk

actually hang on, explain exactly how the hand saw works

[torpid ocean]

saws
30>45>60>75
sander
50>70>90

[stable roost]

rusty

[stable roost]

wait thats not rusty

[torpid ocean]

reinforced

[stable roost]

yeah

magma trees can only be sawed by like refined and up right?

[torpid ocean]

wdym

[torpid ocean]

yes

[stable roost]

eeeeuh idk hmmm

[low moon]

i think hes asking how dose it determin size

[torpid ocean]

volume

[stable roost]

yeah

[low moon]

mk so i was rihgt

[torpid ocean]

just adds volume of all the segments

[stable roost]

hmmm

[torpid ocean]

w

[stable roost]

too large

[low moon]

yes

[stable roost]

splendid

[low moon]

i like that tho

[stable roost]

yeah no its fine

[torpid ocean]

that seems good

[low moon]

did you habe to chop it in like half

[torpid ocean]

ya

[low moon]

have**

ight yea i also think its good

kinda funny you had no idea the buff for the sander wasnt added lol

[stable roost]

eh i mean they were adding like a ton of different things so

[low moon]

nono im not blameing just think its funny no one brought it up

or knew

[stable roost]

i dont think people really grind trees

its either ore or (previously) fruit

[low moon]

i know someone who still thinks magmite is best just because they dont like trees :C

[stable roost]

i used to do magmite

[low moon]

i said it once in gen and jak saw it prob but the timer stresses me out to much

[stable roost]

I don’t even think about the timer

[low moon]

and uranium is just really boring

[stable roost]

Oh wait

Timer for magmite

Eh I still never really thought about it

[low moon]

idk just knowing all my magmite can be made for less money after i spent all that time farming gets to me

are people still doing coconuts after the nerf?

[stable roost]

Idk prolly

[low moon]

i mean

[stable roost]

I keep seeing like 200+ messages in chat asking for the new meta

[torpid ocean]

it got nerfed like 50% lol

[stable roost]

Eh you never know

[low moon]

(mean while me and my 1.8m in magma trees)

[stable roost]

Idk people don’t wanna figure it out themselves so

[low moon]

faIr

[stable roost]

Plus we have a huge influx of new players so

[low moon]

tbh i didnt at first like the semi took me a bit to warm up to it

[stable roost]

Semi is epic bruh

[low moon]

cause i didnt like the idea of useing crates for rocks or stacking wood slow

i like to just toss it in the car and go yk?

the upgrade changes everything

i absolutly cant wait for it so i dont need to slowly stack

[stable roost]

Yes

I’ll prolly gather data once the upgrade comes out

[low moon]

you think a uranium rework will ever come?

[stable roost]

Idk

[torpid ocean]

yes

[low moon]

yea it will 100% will be very diffrent

[stable roost]

Oh

[stable roost]

How will you rework it

[torpid ocean]

idk yet

[low moon]

https://discord.com/channels/865737627712749579/1376645684492505228 shamless plug for my idea

idk i like the idea of useing enemies fits acid lands more yk

[torpid ocean]

ye

[low moon]

wait dose that mean you like my idea?...

nah im going to far lol

how soon will you try and do a magma nerf if you are

[torpid ocean]

what rates did you get for magma

sanding nerf coming this weekend with semi upgrade

[low moon]

cosmic said what i got assumeing our esimate of 800k a hour was like 13k a min but i was about to do a run want me to properly time it?

and get yk good data

[stable roost]

You def should time it

[torpid ocean]

yea time it

[stable roost]

Cause what I estimated was like lowkey hogwash so

[torpid ocean]

sand it like you would after sanding nerf

so like cut main branches off

[low moon]

and i did that wiht a firend lol

[torpid ocean]

oh

lol

[low moon]

ngl at that point i wouldnt sand

[stable roost]

What a lot of people do is saw it instead of sand it

[torpid ocean]

ah well dont then just act like its post nerf lol

saw is sanding

same thingg

[stable roost]

Oh

I’m losing it

[low moon]

ight so ill just do what i would aka toss the trees hope its not to tall for the tunnels

im guessing you made the tunnels small on purpose?

[stable roost]

Yeah and then once I figure out why the hell my brain is so foggy I can do a run

[low moon]

ok ykw ill try both

no sand and sanding branches

[torpid ocean]

oke

[low moon]

(i also just wanna know what would be best after nerf so this is also just for me lol)

[torpid ocean]

benefit to helping balance

[low moon]

i got to change the sell price right?

[torpid ocean]

you know what will be best

[low moon]

real

cause i think this was before the buff

[torpid ocean]

oriignal sell price doesnt matter thats just for me really but yea, change that and base to the sell price

magma tree sanded now is 180

[low moon]

mk

[torpid ocean]

so planked

225

[low moon]

so so is it 180 or 226

[stable roost]

225

[low moon]

225**

mk

[stable roost]

Cause ideally you sell it planked

[torpid ocean]

yh

[low moon]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1klDrFjEQ4eqTDE73Uap0-TPmmE3mYTEBCnegsD4x1RQ/edit?usp=sharing

wait i cant send the vid

but uhh it didnt do that good this was me sawing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cKUcvygLqeAkWQt40cijuRtCISBRN3kl/view?usp=sharing here

WARNING it recorded my music so i recommend you mute the audio lmao

i tired to stop it but it didnt work

[torpid ocean]

new meta!!!!

(it's bugged )

[lime kite]

(thats just me duping)

[high idol]

Was gonna say what do they know that I dont😭😂

[clever coyote]

Pls let this be meta

[stable roost]

The new meta

[lime kite]

erm i was gonna ping arlo for this but why is their name like that

[stable roost]

No idea

[low moon]

the game really blew up lol

[vocal vale]

first time seeing the game at 3k players

[floral shard]

Cosmic have you gotten a magmite run in or nah?

[stable roost]

Ah, I’ll probably do that once I do a few runs of magma wood, I’m moving out in like 10 days so I’ve been semi busy

[floral shard]

I just dropped a crate of magmite into lava😭

either way magmite can defo be rlly good now

if I optimize it more

5k per min rn with me being trash at it

[floral shard]

just hit 8k with it

[stable roost]

im locking in

[stable roost]

ok so for now im just gonna do 1 magma run since the semi update comes out in like 3 days or summ

[stable roost]

update yeah you can get like 5-7k with a semi if doing magma trees

[torpid ocean]

Nice

[stable roost]

Will for sure be more once the semi gets the upgrade

[vocal wolf]

Hoofer said he doesn’t want foraging to be meta or even for late game at all, and purely a mid game thing

[torpid ocean]

fruits/forgaging in its current form should only be midgame, but if we decide to expand on it more so it has more progression then maybe it could be end game

[low moon]

that could be fun to see

[agile kite]

would honestly love to see it as it would switch up the meta for ild players

and also ive got some complaints abt the meta (sry this might be long)

1-the problem with current meta is it is mostly the same end game things (magma tree -sapphire-electrified stuff) and that got tiring pretty quickly and that it almost never changes untill a majer update

2-as a person who quit the game a few months ago but the new update made me come back because of the exciting new stuff i js got bummed out when i saw that the meta is still the same but it slightly shifted into more magma tree than sapphire

3-would love that the meta changes monthly to make the end game players have smth nee to do every month and not get bored of grinding the same thing over and over until quitting the game (exactly the reason why i quit)

4-would love to NOT make the new meta js like an old one (like what happened to magma tree as it used to be a meta and now it still is (what i mean is that constantly make new metas and dont reuse an old meta as it js gets tiring quickly)

[torpid ocean]

point of this is to make the end game resources all viable 'metas' so you can switch to a different one if you are bored of farming something else

I'm not gonna add a new end game resource every month that would be way too much after a few months and also from a dev standpoint I don't want to have to rebalance stuff constantly, unless I'm adding a new area or something

Also nobody is forcing you to grind something lol

if you are bored of it farm something else that you like to farm

And like I said the purpose of this is to make it easier to do that, if the end game resources are more balanced and all worth your time, it's easier for you to switch

[slow kayak]

@torpid ocean is the best handsaw bugged or is it supposed to be able to saw an entire tree?

[torpid ocean]

fixed in next upd

[lime kite]

🥀

[void horizon]

buff sander and nerf saw

fr fr

[lime kite]

nerf the sander too 😈 /j

[void horizon]

nuh uh, its almost useless arld

[low moon]

he is gonna turns out he ment to buff the sender but didnt by mistake lol

[void horizon]

bruh

sanders just suck rn

[low moon]

so the sander will be asgood as the saw now but the saw will be hit with a nerf

[low moon]

hes gonna buff it prob this weekend

[void horizon]

its more fair

like, its more balanced

[low moon]

trust me i was helping him decide all this a little its way more balenced

[void horizon]

big saw makes things too fast to stack on truck

[low moon]

if you scroll up you can find it

[low moon]

im aware

i abused it lol

put like 900k in magma trees on 1 semi

[void horizon]

bruhhh

[void horizon]

wish i could go back and time and farm more brumia and pom

( i still got like 4mil from it but i could've got more)

[torpid ocean]

ya basically

[void horizon]

hell yeah!

[torpid ocean]

sander was supposed to get buff originally but i failed somehow lolk

[vocal wolf]

I pray you guys make it the same style progression as everything else,
it just
Makes sense

[vocal wolf]

Are saws gonna saw whole magma trees still?

[void horizon]

no

[vocal wolf]

😡

[void horizon]

blame jak

😴

[foggy jay]

just dont nerf my uranium and mysterious mushrooms

[void horizon]

jak: taking notes 📝

[torpid ocean]

wont nerf unless they over 10k/min

[vocal wolf]

Are saws gonna still be able to saw whole magma trees

[torpid ocean]

no

[vocal wolf]

That’ll make the foraging thing I mentioned the meta again then

[torpid ocean]

no

[floral shard]

Fungi violet is pretty solid

7-8k per min

with pretty trash luck

ghost ping

[stable roost]

Are you doing mysterious mushroom with semi or sellner?

Same for your magma data

[floral shard]

sellner

I think semi is prob better for shrooms tho

[stable roost]

Ok epic

Hmmm maybe

I like just woke up for some reason so I’ll maybe do a run with semi

Although I’m saving doing additional semi runs for Saturday

[lime kite]

👻

[void horizon]

this will be reminded

[stable roost]

anyway time to finish up my data for trees

@torpid ocean could you get me the planked value of the luminescent kelp when you can?

[floral shard]

could you give us the planked value of red birch and other new thingies as well please❤️

[stable roost]

yes

[void horizon]

doing my last magma tree farm before nerf

😔

(and first too)

[torpid ocean]

omg why is the wood one gone 😭

im so lazy

im going

to find the date i posted the original values and pull up old version

ez

[void horizon]

bruh

[torpid ocean]

dayum

how long it take ya

[void horizon]

not sure

1 h or 1 and a half

[torpid ocean]

o

[void horizon]

i had to see watch poogs run

to not get lost

[torpid ocean]

lol

it is your first run ig lol

they really needa revamp this menu bro

ts is so bad

im gonna have to scroll for a billion years

why cant i just look up a date

[torpid ocean]

all the old values were wrong

😭

multiplied by 1.1 instead of 1.25

unless i fixed that

i dont remembr

ok

heres updated planked values

corrupted_cactus: 28.75
palm: 28.17
queen_palm: 17.50
king_palm: 8.75
snow: 162.50
arctic_kelp: 110.00
kelp: 67.50
plek: 212.50
luminescentkelp: 67.50
olivewood: 36.00
willow: 30.00
eel_kelp: 151.88
electrified: 113.75
electrified_bamboo: 98.44
corrupt: 2.50
corrupted_acacia: 15.00
corrupted_deadwood: 18.75
petrified_oak: 30.45
bamboo: 43.75
oobmab: 67.50
baobab: 12.50
bone: 20.00
boreal: 200.00
redwood: 17.06
wanwood: 22.75
windswept_pine: 27.30
spruce: 25.02
sakura: 28.00
classic_cactus: 36.75
classic_purple_cactus: 45.50
classic: 22.75
deadwood: 43.75
dead_magma_tree: 36.25
magma_tree: 225.00
cactus: 38.24
purple_cactus: 42.00
red_cactus: 36.25
red_mushroom: 43.75
purple_mushroom: 43.75
green_mushroom: 43.75
blue_mushroom: 43.75
birch: 22.75
redbirch: 25.00
pine: 36.00
mystery_mushroom: 225.00
sequoia: 8.75
clover_ferwater_tree: 26.25
clover_finlay_tree: 26.25
clover_frisply_tree: 26.25
clover_friva_tree: 26.25
clover_gold_tree: 56.25
clover_olivine_tree: 26.25
clover_tundra_tree: 26.25
acacia: 28.00
blue_pine: 22.75
red_maple: 16.54
oak: 17.50
weeping_willow: 4.06
rainbow_tree: 17.50
spearmint_candy_cane: 28.17
candy_cane: 28.17
hallow: 40.00

[torpid ocean]

@stable roost @floral shard

note that willow and spruce values are nerfed and thats not released yet

there might be one other

it was just a basic tree tho

[stable roost]

Thank you

[torpid ocean]

i think it was spruce

aswell

[feral nova]

o

[limpid tundra]

so willow is getting nerfed tomorrow too?

[feral nova]

Plek is being buffed by a bit again?

[void horizon]

idk

i do not remember

[lime kite]

Do we have any info on raw adurite since it got nerfed?

[floral shard]

Thank you Jak

[floral shard]

its planked values

the update log is sanded

[floral shard]

@torpid ocean Can ya make the entrance to the plek cave from the tundra exploding entrance big enough to get an upgraded semi inside?

[slow kayak]

The whole periodically switching to the heal/fusion coil while mining uranium feels just like an annoying inconvenience rather than an actual challenge. Is changing that out of question?

[void horizon]

just fix the fusion coil on vehicles fr

it shouldnt be that hard

[torpid ocean]

No, I needs come up with something better

[void horizon]

do the acid gas thing AND fix the fusion coils on vehicles

fr fr

[low moon]

no we need something other then health over time lol

[void horizon]

"do the acid gas thing" means "add an item that reduces/nulls acid damage, just like the obsidian skull"

[floral shard]

make us have to fight a hard boss to get into the uranium area

[void horizon]

NO.

[rain hornet]

a gas mask!

[stable roost]

Bro already said no to gas mask

[rain hornet]

oh 😦

why does discord do that

why does it turn : ( into that

[ocean citrus]

just turn it off in settings under "Chat"

[hidden coyote]

So whats the best way to make money?

[torpid ocean]

yea

[tacit mountain]

duping

[void horizon]

fr

[gloomy orbit]

if you dont like the gravity on vehiclea unequip it, its a feature not a bug

[void horizon]

bruh

[stable roost]

alright, i think i can FINALLY get some data with the semi, me got busy

ima do mushrooms first

wait nvm magma first then mushoom

[void horizon]

let us know 🙂

[floral shard]

for shrooms I think unupgraded better so you can fit the caps in

[junior tulip]

You have unlocked the Pro Goober activity role!

[floral shard]

upgraded the caps are too large

and also

react perms finally

[void horizon]

better option, or not getting the caps (come back after planking to get them) or not even farming mushs

[floral shard]

Shroom hater

Don't disrespect my shrooms

[void horizon]

actually, i do

0-0

[floral shard]

disrespect my shrooms?

[void horizon]

of course, theyre bad

[floral shard]

how dare

8k per min

[void horizon]

caps are too annoying, this thing shoots, not that much worth

[floral shard]

unoptimized

[void horizon]

magma tree easily solos

[floral shard]

nahhh magma 11k per min tops

[void horizon]

jaks might nerf comming soon for magma

[floral shard]

now gotta acount for skill issue

[void horizon]

.

[clever coyote]

nerf begging. begging is the new meta

[void horizon]

uh true

every newbie beggs for all reinforced tools and best machine now, is beggar a new j*b? wth 😭

[stable roost]

ok so i got like 8k for high optimized rate

for magma w/ upgraded semi

im gonna try different strats for magma trees

but for now the highest it can go is like 8 and MAYBE 9k

i feel i can get 10k/min tho maybe??

cause my run was lowkey trash

@torpid ocean when you say 10k/min, do you want that for a specific vehicle or

[torpid ocean]

No I just don't want anything to be over that (with any vehicle )

[stable roost]

ok cool

gonna see if i can get 10k/min with semi

[clever coyote]

I don’t like the idea of pushing that 10k a minute threshold to an absolute sweat grind run

[gloomy orbit]

fr

[clever coyote]

99% of players are not gonna do it like that and if you base times off of absolute grinding your just curving and hurting everyone else

[stable roost]

ok then you can also get data then

[clever coyote]

On top of that I feel that those who DO push the envelope and grind out a super tight run should be rewarded with the extra dough

[clever coyote]

All I’m saying is data should be based off average pace and not a money speed run because the average Oaklands player doesn’t have a crazy gaming chair

Also @torpid ocean I’d like to suggest a natural way to balance items using the stock market feature, but instead of random values, the values are reflected by the volume of said material sold. If a lot of magma trees are being sold, its stock price will drop, and people will switch to other things that are not as heavily sold, where the stock price is actually up a lot more.

That would have 2 Benifits, essentially creating a short term cost trim that’s naturally controlled and balances out based on the market, and also gets players to switch up and visit parts of the map they wouldn’t often to grind things they normally wouldn’t

[tacit mountain]

[clever coyote]

id imagine with all the stats hoofer has that this wouldnt be a far shot to implement

[tacit mountain]

arent the stat broken rn?

$or is it just the display

[clever coyote]

im under the assumption the api? as the discord side was down too but im not sure

[tacit mountain]

oh damn

stock market command on the dc would be nice

[clever coyote]

thats a luckfire question

[torpid ocean]

its not like im gonna nerf if 1 dude gets over once or something

like a average late game player shouldnt be getting more than 10k / min

[clever coyote]

^ 🙏

[torpid ocean]

i dont wanna do this

The materials $/min should reflect the difficulty of grinding it, not how many people are farming it

[clever coyote]

i dont mean on a massive scale like 10$-100$, the value multiplyer could be exactly what the current stock market changes

lets say in this screenshot, the stock % is based on demand

magma tree is worth 191 (or whatever base price is) which reflects its difficulty to grind, but its down -8% because theres alot of supply from how many people are grinding it.

plek is worth 201 (or whatever base price is), but say that not many people are grinding it now, thats why the stock is up 14%

[tacit mountain]

would def be way better than just random numbers

[clever coyote]

im a mechanic so im relating this to fuel trim in a sence. your set price is the long term fuel trim, it reflects what the product is worth at its basic price, then the sttock market is the short term fuel trim, it smooths out value and gets players acrost the whole map.

also in a hypothetical, lets say players found a quicker way to grind magma trees for instance, and that made it insanely more profitable way over the 10k/min. the stock market would drag that price down (not by alot but enough) to where it may offset that price gain

[agile kite]

exactly what u wanted

[agile kite]

no thats wasnt what i meant

what i meant is switching the meta every month (to add another ore or to make and old1 meta etc)

[floral shard]

Do yall consider MM/fungi violet difficult?

[stable roost]

Well here’s the thing about fungiviolet, it’s chance based, so it’s “difficult” in the sense of getting lucky that it spawns

I’ve been kinda putting off getting data for it cause ik my farming time will be ABSURD, but that’ll basically just be me trying to get it to spawn by mining nodes

[floral shard]

I got a 9.5k per min run for it today

server hopping and using sellner plus trailer is optimal for it

[stable roost]

Big

[burnt flint]

Hehe funne numbor

[storm cape]

change this rock or buff magma trees to make it worth the risk of falling here

[void horizon]

oh, its you again!

[storm cape]

hello

[late harness]

this basically means stuff like giant willow and seqouia will be worth less in the future?

[void horizon]

here is for balancing, sugestion is on #1236521625499729920 😔

[torpid ocean]

related to farming

its fine

[void horizon]

oh, ok

(change it fr, its annoying. Not impossible to drive tho)

[storm cape]

its for balancing

[fallen citrus]

Has that always been there?

[void horizon]

yes

[fallen citrus]

never noticed it lol

[wind dock]

We need prime minister of economy in oaklands elected by players, who set the meta prices every week. Also introduced property taxes!!

[clever coyote]

1million % lumite prices

[void horizon]

6billion % beigestale prices

[wind dock]

We meed tax on every sale people make to rss hub

The selling stuff under 100k then less tax but if selling more than that then more tax

[upbeat monolith]

Hey I was thinking grimestone should maybe be a little less slippery

[wind dock]

How about NO

[upbeat monolith]

Hard time loading boxed semi, glitches through cause of the mass movement

And only said a little lol not saying make it sticky

[wind dock]

Fr

I was getting raw gold, semi bugged and spitted out all gold i loaded

[torpid ocean]

Noob

u gotta nail it down obviously

[upbeat monolith]

Add a pocket welder

[stable roost]

Starting Monday or Tuesday I’ll hopefully be able to gather data again since I’ll be fully moved in and have wifi

[gusty anchor]

make boomite a little bit better

[lime kite]

pls buff oak trees

[storm cape]

make oak trees meta

[stable roost]

No I’ve been moving

For the past like week or 2, but I finally have wifi today so hopefully after I move more stuff in I can yap more

[stable roost]

Alright, time to get some more magma data since I got my Ethernet cord and I basically finished with moving in

[torpid ocean]

Nice

[floral shard]

Imma be able to gather more data now that finals are over

[torpid ocean]

@stable roost can u test magma

[torpid ocean]

Do you have any new data for magma

[stable roost]

yyyes once i finish playing minerat

ill do both semi and sellner/trailers

[torpid ocean]

dudee it looks so nice now

I was checking out new visuals on bedrock

[stable roost]

im playing uhhhh a horror pack rn with some friends

[stable roost]

@torpid ocean you more interested in sellner data or semi data

[low moon]

i think semi cause upgrade?,but i dont wanna speak for him

[stable roost]

decided ima wait for the update tomorrow to start testing since setups can prolly be improved with the upgrades or whatever

[floral shard]

Got 2 runs in
Run 2(on spreadsheet)
Notes: I was just getting used to how the semi route works; I've already drove it before cause I grinded a lil with a friend. Cut the trees until they could be instantly sanded.
Run 3:
Notes: I got more used to the semi and the whole entire route in general but this time did not sand the trees and only took the base of the tree(the part before the branches start growing from + collected the foragebles along the way cause I've been told its optimal. The magma tree respawn rate is ABSURD

[torpid ocean]

Semi

[lofty pilot]

Dude in my opinion willow is faster than both sapphire and magma with absolutely zero risk T^T

Just using a joop and an axe nothing more i can grind money faster and more consistently than sapphire and magma

[floral shard]

raw willow?

[lofty pilot]

Yeah

[floral shard]

yeah it is kinda strong for begginers

[lofty pilot]

Was messing around with it today some of the trees sell for 20k alone with no sawing or anything

Just running back and forth takes like a minute per tree and you can attach multiple trees to your truck at the same time

It gets broken really fast

[floral shard]

wait the smaller trees sell for 20k as well?

I mean great willow vs normal

[lofty pilot]

No no, the large ones, you can get into your car with an axe in hand and back into them while cutting them down, repeat a few times and drive 3 - 4 of them into the resource hub to sell for like 60k in 5 - 10 minutes depending on how easily you can drive with them

Could take like 30 seconds to drive back but i usually get stuck on other trees and terrain T^T

[torpid ocean]

hmm yea

I'll probably make the big ones not spawn in such easy to get spots

[lofty pilot]

Maybe be better in acid lands and smaller ones spawn at meadows

Or are atleast rarer at meadows

[stable roost]

Ok, I think what I’ll do is 4 runs with semi. 2 without sawing the wood and 2 with sawing the wood

[tight barn]

what do u recomend grinding?

[torpid ocean]

Whatever is the most fun for you

if you think that thing isn't worth it send me your data and it can maybe be buffed

depends on resourcetho

[torpid ocean]

Ty btw

Seems like magma is a bit op

[tight barn]

is there any videos on how to farm magma with a semi?

[stable roost]

I’ll try and get data tonight, I haven’t really had any free time past week

[floral shard]

What mat should I test next?

[torpid ocean]

Any of the other end game mats

Particularly one that you think is either op or bad

I wanna buff something with magma nerf

[floral shard]

buff plek by making it easier to fit a truck into the cave

[stable roost]

Mmmm I’d have to get data tonight to confirm this but best bet may be a plek buff since the investment needed for plek is pretty steep

[floral shard]

did a greeb + uranium run put it under greeb tho cause idk how to make a combo table for it

notes: didn't bother to seperate the grimestone out and didn't go into the toxic waste area

toxic waste hurts sooo much

[stable roost]

alright time to get some magma

@torpid ocean do you want me to record my runs so you can see how exactly im doing them?

[torpid ocean]

nah

[stable roost]

gotcha

prolly for the best cause my videos folder takes up half my disk spacr

[tight barn]

Hi, i was wondering if you could help map out where I should put things in my house

I can send an image

@torpid ocean

[torpid ocean]

No sorry

[tight barn]

Okay

[low moon]

this aint a place to get build help lol

[stable roost]

@floral shard how are you getting like 3-4 mins for travel time????

are you timing both the way there and way back?

[tight barn]

what material should i make my pillows?

[stable roost]

gonna see if i can find a better way to get to the magma trees cause i hate dropping them down

[stable roost]

@torpid ocean this is what i got just from throwing raw logs into the semi, ill sand them next 2 runs

[torpid ocean]

hmm

[stable roost]

ill see if i can get up to what lucky got

which i can probably do if i sand everything

im playing minerat for like 2 hours tho so ill do it after like 2 hours

[low moon]

isnt the goal like 10k? so thats low right?

ive found it better as of late to use the sellner with 2 trailers

[floral shard]

oh shoot sorry I did my math wrong; I do total time - farming - processing = travel

I should have the original time somewhere...

fixed now sorry about that

[floral shard]

me too so I take the above route; where the big broken down bridges are to the magma trees and just drag em over when they're small enough

its a pretty short path tbh

[torpid ocean]

Yes but lucky got runs that were like 11k-13k
It wouldn't be a huge nerf but runs shouldn't be much over 10k

And I want more data to confirm first

[stable roost]

Yeah ima see if I can get 10k and above later, if I was able to get like 5-6k without sawing I can for sure get near 10k

[upbeat monolith]

@torpid ocean

Heal coil can heal while driving
Gravity coil affects gravity while driving
Speed coil SHOULD boost speed while driving

MORE SPEED!

Also heal coil should grant higher heal boost than fusion . Making it more useful and can be used in uranium cavern instead of fusion coil which makes everything sketchy with the anti grav

[floral shard]

oo I completely forgot heal coil was a thing

[stable roost]

Yeah I use the healing coil when I drive and then fusion for everything else

Pretty good combo

Optimal amount of trailers is like 1 for uranium

[floral shard]

uranium/greeb is pretty solid

I still have zero clue how to properly grind uranium in the toxic waste area🙃

[upbeat monolith]

Yeah I just wish heal coil would do more healing whether it’s faster or does more points at a time than the fusion coil make the fusion kinda middle ground of all 3

[floral shard]

I hate toxic waste so much

😭

[stable roost]

god i think i just suck at grinding

im only getting like 5-7k max for magma

gonna try another method

[stable roost]

@floral shard dude at some point can you record one of your runs while using livesplit or something cause im just unable to get 10k/min

[stable roost]

also youre grinding by yourself right?

[floral shard]

I'll try to

[low moon]

Are you only useing the semi?

Just wondering

[floral shard]

semi is better based on testing so far but imma prolly try sellner + trailer later

[low moon]

semi i feel is better for realllyyy long trips

sellner is good for just chop and take back to base

my current farming method that i feel is best is sellner and 2 trailers and just chop the tree once to fit them on

[stable roost]

found out i can get the semi over here so ima try farming here since its less of a walk

if i remember correctly i think jak at some point said one of the intended ways to grind magma trees was to drop them down but i dont really like doing that since they tend to bounce into lava

[low moon]

oh dude your prob doing it wrong

and you can get the semi right at the drop area

and theres a way to have it never drop in lava

[floral shard]

where is the drop area?

I've always just done it from the location cosmic showed above

[floral shard]

yeah imma prolly test if really fast runs are more optimal

[floral shard]

you can also throw the trees over

[low moon]

i cant show rn but theres a cliff in the far end that has a little bowl near the bottom that will catch them

[floral shard]

oh found it thanks

oh wow sellner is on par with semi

Run 4 Magma
Notes: Did the drop area strat with sellner + 2 trailers; odd part was that the explode wall was already exploded for me? even tho I was alone

[high idol]

That's a bug rn all the walls are broken already

[torpid ocean]

https://youtu.be/TQ-YAZXCq4U?si=0Nuues-P6emM4tFQ

400k/hr

I think they are kinda bad at it tho (lol)

if someone wanna test their method

I'm fine if it's 400k/hr but I dont think their runs were very optimized

[torpid ocean]

I might just leave it alone idk

Or maybe tweak whatever route @floral shard takes

[stable roost]

Well I figured out lucky’s route so I’m gonna try that but the nerf would probably end up being kinda small anyway

Since it goes like 1k above

[stable roost]

Dude that sequoia method is lowkey genius

I’m def gonna try that

[vague berry]

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[stable roost]

Watch the video Jak sent

[low moon]

i wonder where else it can be used

[floral shard]

I would just nerf the forageables in the area but the thing is for every succesful run I do; I fail like 2 times mostly cause I keep rushing too much

[torpid ocean]

how much of the $/min is the forageables

can you sell seperate and put in the multiple resource one

[floral shard]

I'll try to but my estimate so far its like an extra 500-800$ per min on the original without foraging

now that I think about it; its not all that much

run 2 is without and run 3 is with foraging

[oak stone]

This is where it all goes down huh

[torpid ocean]

sup

[oak stone]

Heyo!

[torpid ocean]

ah not that much then

[oak stone]

So are you trying to make everything kind of on par?

[torpid ocean]

yea

mostly

more difficult stuff should generally be more rewarding though

[oak stone]

T try his makes sense!

Can’t type

[torpid ocean]

lol

[oak stone]

Sooo you can probably use this info even tho it kills my vid but…

I made 280-300k an hr with willow trees

As a fresh … so rusty axe and nothing else

[torpid ocean]

yeaa

its the great ones ryt

i need to remove those from spawn

or just rarer idk

[oak stone]

I mean… I don’t know if it’s possible but, if a tree spawns at a certain size maybe increase tier of axe needed?

I don’t code so I don’t know how hard that is

[torpid ocean]

hmm

i could just increase the tier for great trees

although if you can make that much with a fresh setup you can make alot more with a better setup

[oak stone]

Yeah but to make it with a better set up that would be end game building and thinking

To make it worth while you’d need a crazy amount of stuff set up with bandsaws

Which cost a bomb lol

[torpid ocean]

well willow is definently alot easier to get than magma or other late game mats so it shouldnt give you as much

[oak stone]

For sure for sure!

[stable roost]

Alright gonna try and get 10k or above for magma and then I’ll try the adurite thing

[floral shard]

wait is he getting a new tree every hop?

is there a reason why they're doing this?

[floral shard]

great truck unloader tutorial btw❤️

[torpid ocean]

i think so

and that seems ineffecient

[floral shard]

and they're using uncertain instead of gleam

reinforced is also just better than emberbane

[topaz stirrup]

for these balance considerations are you guys doing magma runs in the way that people claim to be making 500k an hour?

not a clue what that is but jus wondering

[stable roost]

@floral shard are you using the semi upgrade?

and also are you like neatly stacking everything or just throwing it in

[floral shard]

throwing

neatly stacking wastes too much time

and yes semi upgrade

[stable roost]

epic

[floral shard]

okay so I got in a raw adurite run with the new tech
5k per min
Notes: Didn't serverhop I don't have the time to fully conduct a run like this(Lord there is so much adurite in one server🙃) I think I got horribly unlucky with adurite spawns which made me get a lot less cash than it could've been.
around 2 min 14 sec I've already aquired the tree and at 3 min 31 sec its in the cave ready to go(I threw it off that cliff thingy)
I think its more optimal to use sellner plus trailers for this one since server hopping and needing to return to based after each hop

used classic joop to bring the tree back and to the cave

Just my personal opinion I think I could push this to 9k per min; max

[stable roost]

i just finished my magma tree run and only got up to like 8k max

i have no idea how the hell you get 10-11k per min

[floral shard]

eat the burning blossoms and ash roses if you see em

both 1400 and 1200 jammed respectively

[stable roost]

wait

so your magma runs werent just magma trees???

[floral shard]

3rd run combined both

2nd didn't 4th didn't

[stable roost]

so your second run where you got 406k was just magma trees?

[floral shard]

yes

took much longer tho

[stable roost]

jesus i guess i just suck at loading the semi then

[floral shard]

are you chopping optimally btw?

so the tree splits

[stable roost]

yeah

i chop till it can be instantly sawed

so basically at every section where the branches meet

[floral shard]

by split I mean branches all break from one another

[stable roost]

yeah

i think i just have issues with loading the semi

[floral shard]

fair; my semi has exploded 2 times by now cause of loading

[stable roost]

so yeah i think magma is good where it is

[floral shard]

your adurite runs were the old ones before the change right?

@stable roost

[stable roost]

What change

OH

[floral shard]

the raw being same price

[stable roost]

Yes it was done before the sword glitch was patched

[floral shard]

ohhhh

where would the raw ores fit on this?

and whats river gold?

[fallen matrix]

im starting to think about adding an explosive system to my manufacturing process to prevent logs from getting stuck at the bandsaw and ensure they reach the sander 😂

[topaz stirrup]

glad to not be the only one 😟

[torpid ocean]

Mid game

maybe late-mid game for audurite and mythril

they shouldn't be like the 8-10k /min range tho

[floral shard]

late-mid game cause of the knowledge check/investment or diffuculty?

[torpid ocean]

both

in order to farm effectively you need to use some inventive method to climb up or use bomb launcher

[floral shard]

ah so player should be rewarded for using their brain

[torpid ocean]

yes!!

[floral shard]

gotcha

[torpid ocean]

So like 400k/hr is fine by me but I feel like it could be pushed further

[floral shard]

the method is just so unique compared to everything else so I'm getting pretty bad rates

[torpid ocean]

It's probably fine

[stable roost]

Once I pick up dinner I’ll see what I get from adurite

[stable roost]

alright so for adurite ill try using sticky bombs for 1 run and then second run ill do the sequoia tree thing

[stable roost]

@torpid ocean i got like 10k/min with adurite using the sequoia thing

oh that pic sucks to look at hang on

so this is per min, with per hour i got up to like 600-700k per hour with the optimized data

did this with sellner and 2 trailers since i figured that would be quicker than trying to load an entire semi

ill attempt semi rq tho

[stable roost]

heres comparasion between seller/2 trailers and semi. semi had a lower $/min but not by too much

[low moon]

wait whattt

i gotta try it

[floral shard]

how many server hops per run btw

[torpid ocean]

Did u server hop

[oak stone]

Whats that timer thingy i see some people using? ont he side of the screen Dark grey box like a stop watch?

[hard lark]

maybe it's LiveSplit

[oak stone]

I think thats the one thanks mateyy

[stable roost]

Nope

The stuff kept spawning

[stable roost]

Was I like supposed to server hop?

Cause I didn’t see a need to

[torpid ocean]

idk but seems like it worked fine for you

i am moving the spawns for audurite in next up

[stable roost]

Where to?

[torpid ocean]

magma cave

the smaller one

[stable roost]

Ah nice

That’s a good idea

Yeah I was getting insane spawn rates with the adurite

[torpid ocean]

you should actually be able to reach it easier but the lava and stuff should be a challenge

[stable roost]

Yes

I think what I’ll do next is uhhh plek runs

Cause plek has a steep investment requirement

[torpid ocean]

have you done mm

with semi

i think it needs a smol buff

[stable roost]

I can do that in a bit

I’ll just sand the base of the mushroom and take the caps with me

[upbeat monolith]

Jak I know you hate the idea of a rad suit or something . But my thoughts are something similar to the obsidian skull and fire potions to help magma cave there should be something to help a bit with the smog damage.

[low moon]

better option is to just rework the urainum and jak has said in the past he wants to do that

[torpid ocean]

If someone wants to hop on testing and test new adurite spot rates that would be awesome

[low moon]

uhhh

sure why not are they easy to spot?

[torpid ocean]

It's just in the magma cave like smaller lava area

Should see em easily

[low moon]

mk

i must be dumb i cant find it

maybe in somehow on the wrong version?

ok no i am on the right version

ok i found it nvm

im just trying to figure out how i should get up to them the best way

ngl its kinda hard to see the roof i might need to get nvg

[cold ingot]

I exist again, my bad for disappearing, but looking at the values that Jak posted about late game ore generation, sapphires (with semi) have become the only viable strategy, I'm getting 500k an hour with the semi trips.

Actual times are below, didn't calculate out specific times due to forgetting

Full trip (refining included): 1:10:23

• note there were clogs in my refinery that have since been remedied, those last 20 minutes were spent de-clogging
  Profit: 490k
  Semi was the vehicle i used.
• note: i found a way around sapphires respawn timer being exhubreantly long

Noticed similar gains with magmite, but the profit take significantly longer

[cold ingot]

8k/minute for sapphire, i haven't gotten anywhere near this rate with other ores.

[torpid ocean]

If you wanna put your run data in the Google sheet form that would be helpful

then I can actually make changes to them

especially the ores you feel are currently not worth it

so they could maybe be buffed

[topaz stirrup]

magmite ☹️

[low moon]

ngl idk if theres a way to make people farm magmite

cause of the cool down mecanic

like it forces you to be fast and me personally it stresses me the heck out

this mostly only matters when your loading the car

idk maybe ill go back and try it someday i havent looked at the buffed magmite

[low moon]

idea to make it better but not change to much add a area where you can park down there thats heated so it doesnt cooldown while your just loading it and the cool down only matters for driving and at base

[wind dock]

KILL THE ECONOMY!!

end, end all currency, bring back alpha gift as money

[tacit mountain]

bring back magma tree teleportation

[torpid ocean]

if you are in the heat it doesnt cool

theres several spots along the way where you can let it heat up again

so its really just a matter of getting to your plot from the entrance of magma caves

which shouldnt be hard

i also like added a minute or something to the timer when map revamped

[low moon]

i still think half the issue is that fact you gotta load fast but meh idk ill maybe try it later

like you said you buffed it

[torpid ocean]

you dont have to load fast

[stable roost]

There’s always one spot I park in and I have no issues with getting magmite, given it requires me to use a fire potion

Keeps everything constantly heated

[torpid ocean]

just leave the magmite in the heat area until you are ready to leave

i had a spot where i backed my trailer off an edge into the heat lol

[stable roost]

I used to grind magmite for money

[low moon]

i tried cause a friend of mine loves it

this was ages ago so ill try agian

again it just stressed me out lol

i like to take my time

[stable roost]

I’m not even gonna bother with semi for magmite since using a truck and 1 trailer is most optimal

[low moon]

wait how much is that per min

[stable roost]

yeah that checks out

[low moon]

7.4k?

idk my math is prob wrong

[stable roost]

yeah based on my data that amount checks out

since i was getting like 550k an hour

[low moon]

wait thats less then what this guy got right?

my math must be wrong

[torpid ocean]

13k a min

[stable roost]

yeah

[torpid ocean]

1.39 m / 104 min

I think it will be nerfed a lot just by the new location

and I added spawn delay

[stable roost]

yeah, when's that gonna get pushed out?

[torpid ocean]

sunday

[stable roost]

epic

[low moon]

wait i thought this was magmite

im so blind lol

[stable roost]

i dont have my setup and tools in testing so ill def test the new adurite spawn once the update is pushed

[torpid ocean]

I wanna make a preset

Grinding preset for balancing purposes

just in testing

[stable roost]

oh that would be nice

cause i dont wanna have to get gleam again

getting a good setup isnt really an issue since you can just use the optimized time on the sheet

[torpid ocean]

ya but it does help save time

[stable roost]

true

[torpid ocean]

more runs

[low moon]

are you also gonna add mushroom pick to the preset?

[torpid ocean]

Less painful

lol

[stable roost]

i do NOT want to rebuild my current setup in testing

[torpid ocean]

Yea I'll add everything needed to test

Ik how to make good setups for rock/ore but idk the foragable tech lol

[stable roost]

I DO

[torpid ocean]

storage drawers or smthn

idk

I saw bricks setup once lol

[stable roost]

its called putting tons of press machines inside eachother and allignment conveyors

[low moon]

you gonna add a proper loader and unloader?

[torpid ocean]

ya

[low moon]

cool

tbh i dont even have that myself on main game lol

to lazy

[stable roost]

wait lemme get a pic of my foraging machin

my beloved fruit machine

i think this thing has 10-15 press machines in it and 500 jars in total

processes stuff stupid fast

[low moon]

hold on i wanna show something

i wanted to see how much i could get before the nerf lol

theres prob another drawer or two of the rocks but id have to mix them together

[floral shard]

tupi processing setup❤️

[lime kite]

Is there any data for raw mythril?

or however you spell it

[digital aurora]

Oops

[upbeat monolith]

I think that’s right

[oak stone]

I might use your data sheet for my is it worth it videos Jak ? just to give a better representation of what it can earn - one question tho.. just so you can use the data, do you time server hops do you count server hops at all?

[torpid ocean]

Go ahead, and feel free to send me link for your sheet

I would time server hops, but if your wifi is bad just add like 30 seconds instead

Also testers, if you wanna test boomite and new adurite rates

would be great

I might do some tn

[floral shard]

whats the boomite price changed to?

[torpid ocean]

the price is in pins

Hasn't been changed I don't think

[floral shard]

gotcha

[stable roost]

I can do that once I finish up cleaning my old house

I did boomite awhile ago but I can do raw adurite

Off the top of my head I think I got like 7-8k per min?

[floral shard]

NVM

[floral shard]

also why is boomite considered mid-game? The mechanic and enviorment is a lot harder than MM
Also did 2 boomite runs; average 11k per min

[stable roost]

Yeah that checks out

[upbeat monolith]

Just got 223k from andurite , 1 server hop overflowed my semi

I enjoy the lava fishing

[wind dock]

Same

[oak stone]

@torpid ocean have you got a list updated Base prices please?

dont know why i tagged you see every message here

[floral shard]

they really want adurite back🙃

[upbeat monolith]

Just got 111 pieces in 25 minutes ( mining, transporting and forging )

[floral shard]

howww

[upbeat monolith]

I server hopped to get more but my scaffolding didn’t spawn

So I called it short

[floral shard]

111 pieces is like 200k or sum?

[upbeat monolith]

I didn’t sell yet I came here to ask what people do when testing, do you guys wait till it’s high on market

[floral shard]

we sell whenever

the spread sheet adjusts for market

[upbeat monolith]

Ok I’ll go sell now

[floral shard]

ofc my classic joops thats 10 feet away from me saves but my semi doesn't

I was right next to it : (

[upbeat monolith]

159k with market at $223 / -5%

[upbeat monolith]

It may be cause you drove joop last

[floral shard]

ohhh

that was a supoptimal run right?

[upbeat monolith]

Yes

[floral shard]

suboptimal

[upbeat monolith]

Ideally my scaffolding would have spawned and I would have doubled

In about 45-50 minutes

Total

[floral shard]

thanks❤️

[floral shard]

Jak these numbers crunch to around 7k per min; I tried doing a run but zero adurite spawned for me😭 I might be blind tho

[upbeat monolith]

You available rn quick ?

[floral shard]

yep

[upbeat monolith]

https://www.roblox.com/share?code=1694065651b7f347a9ff02662d4f5a01&type=Server

[floral shard]

Yippe 9k per min optimized raw adurite run

Thank you Beaver for teaching me the ways of lava fishing

[floral shard]

Adurite is still strong🙃

[upbeat monolith]

Wicked

[oak stone]

1st proper run lets see lol

conisdering I NEVER do dangerous ones like lava places... i hate the stress

[torpid ocean]

nice

[torpid ocean]

They should be up to date

[oak stone]

Yeah mb i didnt know you hd them pinned! - I was on wiki lol

[upbeat monolith]

Surprising it’s kinda casual compared to doing like maganitite. La la la lava fishing haha

[oak stone]

i think what makes it so chill is you dont really need to cross much lava with the trucks lol

[upbeat monolith]

Or rush like a mad man to get out in time haha

But having to be in and around lava still make it a bit difficult which is good to keep the value high

[torpid ocean]

Material Values !
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aqkW_KoE-w0_GPUU86rM0WtCyKu5_D5jqAtMZ5vbrlk/edit?usp=drivesdk

[oak stone]

I still prefer Lavender lol

[upbeat monolith]

These are all base values right?

[upbeat monolith]

I’ve started trying Sakura blossom 🌸

[torpid ocean]

Maximum processing

[upbeat monolith]

Ok so at their highest +%?

[oak stone]

this is perfect Thanks

I think i need to make a video on how the mrket works

[torpid ocean]

Oh

base %

well

Same thing

yes

yes that is maximum value

[oak stone]

sorry alot of questions, you dont happen to have one that automatically updates with the "current values" from the stock market

[floral shard]

?

[torpid ocean]

Tupi had made one

hmm

I'll have to find that

The API might not be working at all rn tho

[torpid ocean]

ig it probably shouldn't be

It just requires less progression to farm

compared to other stuff

[floral shard]

could you make it so that refined boomite requires Tier 3 to forge?

[torpid ocean]

Maybe yea

[oak stone]

So im right in assuming the price can NEVER go above base value?

Meaning Base is actually "Max" ?

as everything is below base...

[floral shard]

Jak did you nerf boomite spawn rate or am I crazy unlucky

[spark frigate]

-20% boomite is crazy

[oak stone]

haha sorry im probably annoying Jak, Im just full on nerding and think Base is confusing

But Personally this is what i would call a "Base"

[torpid ocean]

yes

the way the resource hub works is it takes the price and does .8-1x original value

[torpid ocean]

havent touched it

[floral shard]

Found a new boomite spot; 13k per min optimizeddddd

I love my exploding blue ore

[stable roost]

Time to lock in and do a bunch of stuff

Gonna do adurite first

[lime kite]

how

[floral shard]

new spot has like 20 nodes nearby per server

and yk terracota is hugeee

[stable roost]

Lemme see what I got with my old data

Yeah I got like 11k optimized for one of my runs

[stable roost]

@torpid ocean so far, id say the new area for adurite is MUCH better, the scaffolding is very useful now

[stable roost]

update yeah it seems like adurite is still like 10-11k per min

[torpid ocean]

alr

ty

235 > 180

8.5k / min

[stable roost]

yyyyes

lemme plug that into my data rq

[torpid ocean]

idk if it should really be a 10k/min thing

what u think

[stable roost]

mmmmm

[torpid ocean]

like difficulty wise

[floral shard]

8.5k is good imo

[stable roost]

yeah cause compared to magmite its much easier

8.5k should be good

[torpid ocean]

alr

[torpid ocean]

boomite tho

i think

can be 10k

[floral shard]

yippeee

[torpid ocean]

i wanna buff smthn

[stable roost]

plek....................

[torpid ocean]

people gonna whine otherwise

[stable roost]

or im gonna do mm runs and see what thats at rb

rn

[torpid ocean]

fine ill do plek a little

[stable roost]

splendud

[tight barn]

whats this channel for?

[floral shard]

MM needs a smoll buff

[torpid ocean]

idk tho u guys just need to lock in smh

[tacit mountain]

adurite is one of the only ore that actually have a new mechanic wich isnt just dificulty to drive to

[stable roost]

eh even before the plek buff i got good runs with it

[floral shard]

yeah I just always drive off a cliff when doing plek

[torpid ocean]

ye thats why i think it should still be pretty decent

[stable roost]

hang on lemme see something

[tacit mountain]

nerfing it to 180 makes it utter trash 😭

[stable roost]

no not really

[tacit mountain]

no reason to farm it if it isnt the max you could get

[torpid ocean]

pretty low investment id view it as a late mid game thing

[floral shard]

it really doesn't tho 8.5k per min is fine

[tacit mountain]

going to "late late game" only takes about 2 or 3 hours

late mid game is like a 10min time period

people dont really progress trough each stuff they just grind meta directly when they can

[torpid ocean]

yea thats the point of this the meta shouldnt be accessible to new players

hence why a low investment easier material should not be a meta

[tacit mountain]

why keep only one meta at a time tho 🥀

[stable roost]

theres gonna be multiple bruh

[floral shard]

we have like 3 metas rn tho

plek, magma, boomite

[torpid ocean]

goal is to have the end game materials all be viable

[tacit mountain]

you dont get the same doing those 3

[floral shard]

they're on par with each other ngl

with completely diffrent play styles

[lime kite]

just wondering, are you intending to make the top metas have the same $/min?

[stable roost]

yeah thats the plan

[floral shard]

I'm not JAK

[lime kite]

😁

[stable roost]

there wont be one "meta"

[torpid ocean]

yes

although if some are easier than others they might be slightly worse

[tacit mountain]

will logic ever be cheaper?

[torpid ocean]

mayb

[tacit mountain]

grinding 2 hour to just build a display is crazy

[torpid ocean]

specific components that are too expesnive or just in general

[tacit mountain]

in general

[floral shard]

how does the mushroom cap price work btw

[torpid ocean]

its based off raw

raw volume

which is very large

i think i forgot to buff the raw price when i buffed it originally

[tacit mountain]

displays at 1.6k is crazy and gate i feel like should be ~150 each instead of 460$

[torpid ocean]

i might just do that

[floral shard]

yeah that would make MM solid

[stable roost]

yes

[torpid ocean]

ill talk to hoof abt it

[tacit mountain]

thx

people doing logic just have way more issue than people who do building from those costs

very limiting

[stable roost]

gonna do some mm runs and then prolly plek

i love plek

[stoic sphinx]

is there anything else

[floral shard]

I hate plek

[stable roost]

LMAO

imo its one of the more fun things to grind

[lime kite]

plek 🤢

[floral shard]

I have too much trauma to enjoy it

[tacit mountain]

transmitters and recievers prices are crazy too , people just avoid using any because of it but its mainly bulk price that are a pain

[lime kite]

(jk plek is decent)

[stable roost]

this is coming from the person who would grind magmite

[stoic sphinx]

I don't really recommend using transmitters & receivers, they're bad on performance

[tacit mountain]

most big big logic only require about 300 , main thing are relays , and gates and memory cell that are used in the thousands

[torpid ocean]

only 300 💀

[floral shard]

logic people are crazy

[stable roost]

myserious mushroom

[tacit mountain]

mate 🥀

[hard lark]

scary
logic jumpscare

[torpid ocean]

boomite 180->165 ~10.5k/min
raw adurite 235 > 195 ~8.5-9k /min
MM raw price 5->8 (Cap sell price)

what are yall's plek rates

nvm

im gonna check the sheet

smh

[stable roost]

i have some

yeah check my uhhh old data portion

[floral shard]

oo time to test if only selling caps is optimal