Kanto Height Limit Increases

[rose surge]

Right now on Kanto, the height limit increases every 10 min after the 40 min mark
This has caused defending to feel annoying for many reasons. Even on maps whithout this "feature," controlling and defending sky (which is how many long games end) is difficult, but this change makes it 10x harder to control it along side the need to expand stairs very often because of it. additionally, the height limit increasing forces defenders to make the wall taller which is very annoying and prevents any kind of bowspam area on top of the wall unless the defender wants to destroy it every 10 min. All of this results in the limited def materials being drained very quickly (like crafting tables for the wall) which makes it even harder to def. All of these factors can make defending demoralizing for some.
At least the waterlanes (if placed in a good spot) were easy to maintain and didnt drain all recourses.

TL;DR

the kanto height limit increases are terrible pls remove i'm begging🙏

main points:

• sky becones extrmely difficult to control
• stairs need to be expanded very often
• wall needs to be made taller very often
• bowspam area on top of wall is harder to make
• materials are drained extremely fast to maintain wall and stairs

[pastel hazel]

Isn't kanto Dev phased?

[reef crow]

I like the height limit change but I agree it increases too fast to keep up with

[clever smelt]

how long did the match that spurred this thread last for?

[pastel hazel]

#match-status message
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[rancid mirage]

maybe the height limit should decrease until everyone dies instead

[half dust]

Matthew cooking

[clever smelt]

if this is the match then these changes are working as intended, with the impact as you described. there's still room for tweaking at large imo as in perhaps making it more gradual but it is still possible to have a long match on the map as demonstrated here.

[rose surge]

Though it is still possible to have a decently long match, the height limit increasing that fast makes defending way less fun for me

[rose surge]

fr then at some point it becomes impossible to rush 😀

[rancid mirage]

pov defense on kanto

[fringe hull]

First of all, you're not considering how annoying and dismotivating it is for the defenders having to *constantly * rebuild the wall, the stairs, and anti sky. And the wall has another problem that is the sniper's nest, that the 10 minute change is not near enough to break the iron bars, slabs, chests, and then build it all again. I've tried, and it becomes an infinite cycle of destroying the sniper's nest, build the wall for another height limit increase to break the sniper's nest and so on. (I'm not even considering the people rushing and shooting at you and since you're building the wall you're not fully aware of people coming, making the strongest position at the defense useless).

and you're looking this in the wrong direction, the point isn't if its possible to reach a hour game, the point is if its possible to defend, you're focusing on the duration of the game to considering the feasibility of the defense (At the 40 minute mark and every 10 minutes afterwards, the height limit is increased by 4 blocks, so 12 blocks difference that's the max every game since the change has reached), essentially, defenders could stand 35 minutes after the 12 blocks difference height. Note that kanto standard build limit is already high (32).

all alvck concerns are valid and weren't addressed aswell

[clever smelt]

didnt even realize someone responded to me

[clever smelt]

they were completely addressed; every thing that was mentioned was the desired outcome of those changes.

[clever smelt]

the map is dev phased for a reason and these changes will be amended before it goes back into pools, but that won't be until at earliest the pool update after the next one

[fringe hull]

I dont see how those changes are the desired outcome considering how demotivating it is to defend under those circumstances

[rancid mirage]

bro just rush

[fringe hull]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-gif-21355539

[clever smelt]

I would agree the speed in particular of the sky limit change on Kanto is likely too quick but when the map was removed from the pool and then dev phased it was because it was playing to such a frequency that other maps would be defended less, so we tried some things on it.

in all, there is a reason it is dev phased still and should not be played at all without a mapdev online at the moment, perhaps not even at all in its current state.