#.52 and splash builds
stone stirrup
high sundial
mostly good but kinda low on swimspeed with most of those ninja builds, fine enough tho
can be cut on splash it doesn´t do a lot at 1 sub, if you want burst investment I´d recommend 2 subs 
instead
good but just 1 stray sub isn´t a huge difference either
one could say the 
on wail is unusual, iirc it was decent enough of an effect tho
stone stirrup
<:ab_iru:1085672198808797214> can be cut on splash it doesn´t do a lot at 1 sub,...
I see a lot of top players run a sub of it
high sundial
kinda a placebo thing
it doesn´t have any crazy stacking for the first sub, unlike something like quick super jump
vs 2.77% difference for 
high sundial
6 frames on a full ink tank vs more shots after burst and more added up effect when throwing multiple bursts
1 sub of either isn´t good anyways so it´s kinda besides the point
stone stirrup
18 frames
high sundial
18 frames of what
high sundial
6 frames for recovering from completely empty to completely full, so realistically on average even less
iss also adds up a lot when you throw 3 in a row, like 2 in succession + one after recovering, because then the ink save applies thrice
stone stirrup
I mean if you’re playing support along with your team, you’re probably not gonna have many 1 on 1 interactions where having 
is going to save you more shots for your main
high sundial
is more shots after bursts
after the curve buff that came with the burst nerf it´s faster at recovering ink for bursts than having
(and even then I wouldn´t vouch for only 1 sub of it anyways)
stone stirrup
But wouldn’t you want to recover your main weapon as well? I mean your gonna be running out of ink after throwing 2 and trying to get a third in anyways
high sundial
if you´re using 3 bursts its at range where you´re not even able to reach with splashs main
and due to white ink frames having more ink left over to shoot after bursts helps more since can not help those
stone stirrup
If youre getting bursts at range, you probably spending a bit of time in the ink
stone stirrup
and due to white ink frames having more ink left over to shoot after bursts help...
What are white ink frames
high sundial
ink recovery delay
there´s like
about a second of time after throwing burst where you can not recover
stone stirrup
Oh right that
I would want to understand why these top players run it and hear both sides
high sundial
placebo misinformation spreading and not looking super deep into numbers like gear nerds do
oh I heard it helps me recover some ink so I´ll use it for my bursts
¯_(ツ)_/¯
(I´m currently typing out the math behind it if you´re wondering about that)
stone stirrup
If its 2 subs im assuming i should run it replaing 
and 
?
high sundial
yea, or just out for a second anyways
stone stirrup
I did consult a div 1 player who said it was fine i think ill need a third opinion lol
I mean your specialty is builds right so
Idek
high sundial
kinda yea, not on all weapons but I like to look into numbers
stone stirrup
As i said it could be a playstyle reason that they run it
high sundial
(180 frames is recovery time for a full ink tank)
81 frames to recover ink for one burst with no abilities (45% of 180 frames)
79 frames to recover ink for one burst with 1 sub (43.75% of 180 frames)
79 frames to recover ink for one burst with 1 sub (45% of 174 frames)
63 frames to recover ink for third burst after throwing 2 bursts from full with no abilities (100 - 45 - 45: recovering from 10 to 45 of ink tank for the third, that being 35% of 180 frames: 63)
57 frames for third burst bomb with 1 sub (100-43.75-43.75: recovering from 12.5 to 43.75 of an ink tank for the third, so needing to recover 31.25% of 180 frames: 57)
61 frames for third burst bomb with 1 sub (100-45-45 : recovering from 10 to 45 of ink tank for the third, that being 35% of 174 frames: 61)
stone stirrup
I think i said that
stone stirrup
(180 frames is recovery time for a full ink tank)
81 frames to recover ink for ...
Thanks!
high sundial
more significant than I expected ngl, I knew had this as a bit of an advantage over on bursts before too, but after the cost nerf/ that brought improved curve buff it´s like this
(in the end it´s not like small differences like this matter a lot, but I like to optimise gear, it´s a pretty good splash build eitherways lol)
stone stirrup
https://twitter.com/Sey_spl/status/1657018057611530243
Im seeing even the #1 player in the world igz melon uses IRU
leaden cliff
That build was also 2 months ago so it's possibly outdated at this point
high sundial
he still runs the same thing lol
but yea outdated for being something he ran even before the patch
probably didn´t look into the changes to see if iss got better
because damn what kind of nerd would do math to know that haha
leaden cliff
he still runs the same thing lol
Whoops
stone stirrup
@high sundial explaination from my div 1 and div 2 coaches
high sundial
saving both main and sub ink is good but still it´s like by having more ink left over from burst you can shoot more with the main too, and without burst use splash on its own isn´t having problems with ink
if it was something like stamper maybe, where both the main and sub use a good chunk of ink I would understand it better