#Bring Back blank

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hollow sphinx
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#blank is a meme chat, but with a twist. When you post in #blank, you lose visibility to the chat for 24 hours. This means if you're going to post a meme, you need to make it count. In the past, it has resulted in a higher quality set of memes (then someone screws it up for everyone and posts a meme that gets the channel shutdown + a ban for that user). If people want a meme chat, this might be a satisfactory middle ground since it is easier overall to moderate, and may push users to provide higher quality content.

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if we did this and wanted it to be a permanent fixture, then someone posting something bad would just be a ban and the channel would remain in tact

tawdry fog
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This idea is kinda lame ngl

hollow sphinx
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we've done it twice, and both times it was a weirdly wild success. But it's usually just been an April Fools joke, not something we seriously considered keeping

abstract ivy
frail shore
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I'm down for this ngl

flint valve
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I like the idea

mellow kelp
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"then someone screws it up for everyone" why couldn't you just muted/taken away perms from those users before it even reached this point

hollow sphinx
mellow kelp
hollow sphinx
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so they were banned. But if this were to become a permanent channel not a 1 day joke, then their actions would be entirely on that user - we'd just ban the user and assume it was a fluke, not a prophecy of future behavior

tawdry fog
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I see that the style of moderation is “Fuck everyone else”

hollow sphinx
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basically, the channel would no longer be in danger

flint valve
hollow sphinx
mellow kelp
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what did i do god damn

fast violet
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want me to make this channel immune to the automod

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?

hollow sphinx
mellow kelp
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well shit

fast violet
mellow kelp
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anyways
best way to avoid posters of NSFw content is putting a level system and tying it to image perms

fast violet
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(not blank, #server-feedback)

mellow kelp
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so people can't just join and pust sus stuff

fast violet
hollow sphinx
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there's actually something already like that in place, but it's time based

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it got removed when it bugged out, Idk if it got re-enabled

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but nsfw content has not been a huge problem here

mellow kelp
errant adder
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We time gate image access, not message rate it

hollow sphinx
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we've found that users who are in the server for more than a month often either never receive a warning or receive few warnings and never need a ban, while users who just joined have the highest hit rate for warning/ban worthy behavior. Most users who have been here a while never really get in trouble

abstract ivy
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am I getting better with mine

hollow sphinx
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so time based image perms was the compromise. Also, we just as a team don't like gating via levels - we think it encourages message spam and low quality discussion to accomplish a goal, and defers the problematic users. We'd rather give full perms pretty quick, then get the bans over with

hollow sphinx
abstract ivy
tidal sedge
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sounds neat

buoyant plaza
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The idea of losing visibility sort of ruins it imo
Chat with 24hr slowmode should be considered (so you can still see whats going on and not lose access if say your keyboard freaks out, or so you dont miss what others after you post)

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That said i am a blank enjoyer

fast violet
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losing visibility encourages both higher quality stuff and also backreading, with the added bonus of you dont know how your stuff was recieved until you can see the channel again, as well as the moderation benefit of not having to deal with people quick-deleting inappropriate content

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technical details btw: it might be worth running blank on a blacklist this time just using a role. i think we used a whitelist before because the idea of blank was making it a secret, so we didnt have a blank access role, rather just perms on the channel itself granting access.
but i think there is a limit to the amount of overrides we can have, so we might have to use a Blank Enjoyer role that blocks access. at least that way rolestate will prevent people gaming the system

hollow sphinx
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I'm good with that

buoyant plaza
tribal estuary
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#blank is always with us in our hearts but, it was always a fun idea imo

fringe shale
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i dig the idea. i also dig the idea of only allowing anyone who's been here for at LEAST a month

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a meme museum for people who've just barely shown up

hollow sphinx
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making a time in the server requirement is interesting

pure path
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thats actually such a cool idea lmao

hollow sphinx
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will see about setting it up in the next few days

mortal valve
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omg i love this idea

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i wish i got into splatoon earlier

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i missed out on so muchhh : (

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in this server that is

hollow sphinx
tropic solstice
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Shane with the big brain

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So I'm guessing if someone shits on it with a bad one, then instead of 24 hours it'll be 48 hours? An extra day for EVERYONE

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Plus their ban or punishment of course

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I'm just thinking of it from the permanent perspective, or make it a monthly event or every 3 months like a splatfest or big run following splatoon's theme! Basically meaning it's your chance to post not only a high quality but a flexy-worthy meme to sweep the competition!

fast violet
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if someone posts something bannable, we just ban them

lofty peak
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i think this is a good idea
ive seen sumn very similar in another server and all the memes are amazing

dense plume
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#blank sounds cool and all but you mods dont really care if we just spam memes in general GreenWoomyShrug
I would be down for the idea though i do enjoy meself some memes

buoyant plaza
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i mean people aren't supposed to spam in #general .
only reason some people get away with it is bc there isn't always a staff member watching it 24/7

hollow sphinx
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Some memes is fine, spam isn't allowed

tropic solstice
fast violet
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I'll see about updating blank bot some time this week

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I'll have to either merge it with borders or make a new bot to handle borders because slash commands don't play nice with multiple programs

worn thicket
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yeah reading this and i think this is an amazing idea, members get meme chat and mods can regulate it more easily

drifting iris
grim grail
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Gottem

drifting iris
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thx i know

fast violet
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might have a working blankbot

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talking behind the scenes to figure out the logistics about it tho

buoyant plaza
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hype hype hype

worn thicket
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Hype is real!!!

dense plume
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winning

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#blank

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where it go

grim grail
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Blank can still be seen if you get linked directly to it, idk if that’s intentional or what

dense plume
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lmao

grim grail
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And you can’t link to it yourself

dense plume
grim grail
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How curious

dense plume
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it stopped loading at 9:30 ish for me

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which im guessing is the first message sent today

grim grail
dense plume
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theres this if you want to look at nothing

grim grail
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Hm. That link doesn’t work for me

dense plume
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yeah cause you sent a message there you gotta wait 24 hours

grim grail
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Or at least it did, before you presumably posted there

dense plume
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maybe idk

lofty peak
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was blank added then removed? lol

fast violet
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nope it's working as intended

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come back tomorrow lol

mellow kelp
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fight the mods when

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jk

proven tangle
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Lol i didn’t know💀💀

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I just said “lol” once and now it’s gone for the rest of the day

frail shore
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I posted in blank once 2 days ago and haven’t seen it again since 💀
It’s been a little less than 48 hours

fringe shale
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that means you're banned (it probably doesn't)

buoyant plaza
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They dont have the role so they probably did

fast violet
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it means you didn't message anywhere

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the bot only checks to remove the blank role on message

buoyant plaza
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Id double check that bc i have the role and cant see the channel, unless im misunderstanding

hollow sphinx
fast violet
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yes

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the role is a lock out not an access

grim grail
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Speaking of, I remember being able to see blank, if not post, if someone linked it like #blank like that

fast violet
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only client cached messages

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can't load more messages without read messages

grim grail
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Ah, right

buoyant plaza
mellow kelp
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yes please

proven tangle
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I just posted in blank 💀

fringe shale
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this isnt your blog :O

hollow sphinx
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.

gaunt otter
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wtf is in here?

dense plume
gaunt otter
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I see

grim grail
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Hello Shane

gaunt otter
meager meteor
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🤓

hollow sphinx
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This is a blank-it statement

frail shore
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ba-dum tss

drifting iris
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Phenomenal pun

steady wave
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So uhh people aren't using blank because and i quote

"why use a meme channel with one post a day 💀"

fringe shale
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sucks to be them

steady wave
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so safe to say as a quarantine area for memes to be kept, it doesn't work

fringe shale
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this is probably because memes, bad ones, still get to roam free in general and off topic

steady wave
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posted when not even relevant. usually by a few repeat offenders tho

buoyant plaza
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"trusted image perms" role here we come

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or extend small fry to regular jpgs and pngs on select channels

flint valve
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General isn't a meme channel, it's a channel with memes. Blank is a meme channel. That's a huge difference. It's not a quarantine channel! It's a meme channel. Memes are allowed in general intentionally, because there's lots of good Splatoon memes, which can be relevant.

buoyant plaza
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that doesn't excuse the mass image dumping at all

flint valve
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I agree, mass image dumping already isn't allowed though.

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If you see it you can report it lol.

steady wave
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there are a whooooooole load of bad memes too

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like holy shit so many bad and irrelevant ones that are posted for the hell of it

flint valve
steady wave
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i never suggested doing that

flint valve
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I didn't say you did? I'm saying you can't. Well, more like shouldn't.

buoyant plaza
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posting random tiktoks at random is mostly what i see
now THAT is trash content

steady wave
flint valve
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Aight I'm out

steady wave
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back on track:

people post memes in #blank, and then when they lose access they just post elsewhere instead of doing the sensible thing of waiting

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case and point <#general message>

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even worse when someone straight up refuses to use #blank in the first place

buoyant plaza
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a lot of it seems to be reaction images too

steady wave
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a refilling message-with-image allowance on a timer might work to limit that if it's not to much of a pain to implement

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so peeps who post pics often in #general end up always running low and are limited but peeps who don't have a bigger allowance and aren't limited when they do post

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probably a job for @true stirrup

buoyant plaza
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that'd be a lot of timers to keep track of

steady wave
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yeah

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maybe just a global one that adds 1 to everyone's allowance at the same time

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caps out at five maybe across both #general and #ty-john-cena-golfie-not-e3-raiders (not the threads tho)

buoyant plaza
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idk i think just having a "x posted and ruined it for everyone" method via small fry as is (plus mp4s, jpgs and pngs)

dense plume
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idk how to feel about this, on one hand yeah image spam in general sometimes gets a lil bit out of hand but adding restrictions would just make people wanna spam more and blank is already around also the amount of like stuff the smallfry bot would have to do wouldnt be so good.

imo i think its alrigth as is, you just gotta suck it up for the times gen chat is getting spicy and go to the nerds in spltoon-3 or something

buoyant plaza
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thats the thing
general is almost always like this

dense plume
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yeah theres nothing you can really do with the influx of new members and the amount of stuff being sent

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adding a restriction on these type of things would just make poeple mad

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like look at how many times smallfry prevents gifs 💀

buoyant plaza
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yeah its doing gods work dabmeup
it'd be a good message to let people know this isn't the server for spam n shit
most servers don't even allow embeds in main channels at all. this one does and it'd be cool if we didn't have to lose it

dense plume
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yeah i love being able to send images in #general

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but it needs to get really really bad for the mods to add more image restrictions

strange fable
fast violet
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from a technical perspective, adding a rolling cooldown per user isnt hard

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you store a list of timestamps per user that has a message, and when that list exceeds a certain length, you block users

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something like 5 images in a rolling window of 20 minutes (with the 1 gif per 5 minues still in tact) might be suitable

fast violet
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also fwiw, we can still update the mechanics of #blank to make it more suitable for purpose

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such as a post getting upsquids reducing the poster's cooldown (and vice versa)

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we just dont know yet what the best bet would be

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there is literally a question on the december survey about blank though so that would let us gather a lot more ideas quickly

hollow sphinx
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in r/PokemonUnite, we borrowed the blank idea and changed it a little in the following ways:

  • the chat became invisible for a random time between 30 seconds and 5 minutes instead of 24 hours
  • the chat moved around the server (in specific categories) each time someone posted in it, turning it into a game or treasure hunt
  • bad actors were simply banned on sight (read as: rule breaking memes were treated harsher in blank than in other chats)
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was a smashing success

grim grail
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That sounds really fun actually

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makes it less of a "task" I guess, chasing it around

steady wave
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honestly sounds a lot better

buoyant plaza
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I think that could work
Im not sure about the moving channel thing but the random cooldown sounds nice

grim grail
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I like the moving channel thing

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It's gonna get a lot of people whining about bugs, that'll be annoying

strange fable
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Nah people will think nerd just miss clicked

strange fable
buoyant plaza
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from blank

strange fable
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Ah alright