HELLO WORLD
#┊・onair-chat
rigid narwhal
prisma shadow
Hi Mike!
rigid narwhal
OKey then. this one
stuck prism
Hello from Brazil
prisma shadow
Hello!
frank fog
Hello World
violet scarab
Thanks for joining us, folks!
strange ginkgo
HELLO WORLD
ack
rigid narwhal
null
strange ginkgo
Isn't there something going on now, some re-launch?
rigid narwhal
I'm eating lunch.
violet scarab
Isn't there something going on now, some re-launch?
Oh, Maki... we love you. But it started an hour ago.
strange ginkgo
Hmm, where was it posted? I must have effed up time zones
rigid narwhal
He's on Island time.
strange ginkgo
I couldn't have attended an hour ago anyway.
strange ginkgo
He's on Island time.
literally
strange ginkgo
NAIR
hoary umbra
Watching the replay now. So happy you got this going!!
dawn stump
Hi
night wind
Hi
Hi there! If you're looking to just say hi and chat, we have a #┊・just-chatting section.
prisma shadow
@violet scarab and @halcyon forum will be getting started in just about 3 minutes to talk about updates coming in ONTAP 9.12.
Comments here won't be seen on-screen, but we'll certainly be checking.
If you'd like to have your comment featured OnAir, join the stream on YouTube or Twitch.tv and chat with us there!
Make sure to "Join Activity" if you're watching along in Discord
hoary umbra
Hello everyone, glad to see this update from Keith!
hoary umbra
Make sure to "Join Activity" if you're watching along in Discord
That confused me for a second.
prisma shadow
There's a quick account auth/link to do as well
or watch along on youtube directly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT3h5wb6jVA
latent yoke
I thought WAFL reserve was there for maintaining free blocks for future "write anywhere" writes.
hoary umbra
So I won't be asking questions in general, but you're saying if we ask questions here they won't be featured on-screen?
prisma shadow
Correct.
nova lantern
Anyone else having issues with the YT stream?
latent yoke
K. I don't know what the whole thread of "storing metadata" was all about. Me thinks some folks need to brush up on their TR-3001 knowledge. 😁
stable oracle
I had troubles at first but seems to be good now
hoary umbra
Correct.
Have you thought about employing someone purely to retype our questions from here over to YouTube then? 😉
I am not having problems with the stream.
nova lantern
It's constantly buffering for me right now, but its not an internet problem. Strange
prisma shadow
YouTube did that once a few minutes ago on one of my screens. Twitch was fine
prisma shadow
Have you thought about employing someone purely to retype our questions from her...
I suppose I could be that guy since I'm not on screen 🙃
hoary umbra
I'm trying to figure out how to pop out this chat window and have the channel video full-screen.. hmm... maybe I'll just join it directly on YouTube.
nova lantern
K. I don't know what the whole thread of "storing metadata" was all about. Me ...
I wonder who is going to update that one, I don't even know how old that is now
stable oracle
i popped out, it took a half second to re-connect, but let me chat here
prisma shadow
You can pop out the video but not the chat
hoary umbra
Yeah, I guess I need to pop out the video instead. I just switched to YouTube in my browser, seemed easier.
Sounds like our next show idea "Going Down The Rathole w/ Keith Aasen".
stable oracle
LETS GO
hoary umbra
nm that's locked
Yeah, that was what I first tried cause that's what I was used to, but I guess Drew, et al wanted it as a separate channel.
tawny python
sometimes there are so many in the stream they have to do overflow channels
prisma shadow
The voice-channel chat is locked because we'll often archive event chats and it doesn't work well to archive a voice channel.
tawny python
that too
nova lantern
There's no way that chat can be seen after the event ends, so it is all just lost
Discord needs a way for event chat to be archived, I think there's a request in for it
hoary umbra
I figured it was something like that.
That's the reason I like doing the chat/questions in Discord as well, as opposed to be it being locked in the YouTube chat stream, but I guess there's benefits to both.
stable oracle
home drive trigger alert
hoary umbra
My YouTube stream just froze. Just me?
Yeah, just me.
Had to refresh the browser. Weird.
violet scarab
maybe try dialing the quality down if you're on bad wifi?
hoary umbra
I can't confirm if I am, since I'm in the SJC NetApp office, and I don't want to slander our corporate wifi. 😉
But I think it was just a browser freeze or something. Quality is fine.
supple jolt
Will the livestream be watchable later on? I missed the first 20min or so...
prisma shadow
Will the livestream be watchable later on? I missed the first 20min or so...
Absolutely! I'm pretty sure it will be published immediately
prisma shadow
But I think it was just a browser freeze or something. Quality is fine.
YouTube seems to have the hiccups right now.
hoary umbra
No, he meant Edge as in the use case, not our product name. 😉
Cmon Keith, take shots at Nick for stuff he deserves, not terminology. 😉
stable oracle
flexcache, definitely a new feather for my cap
hoary umbra
Keith, no need to suck up to me in the stream. 😉
stable oracle
the system manager question feels tailored for me
hoary umbra
ONTAPv, Edge, SDOT, Select.... ...CVO...
VSIM, VSA, so many more...
modest epoch
We will run out of names eventually
stable oracle
as i do vol move start's for -encrypt-with-aggr true
supple jolt
the Snapcenter Plugin for VMware rename to Data Broker (and then back again) was the worst 😄
I still have to explain that to customers all the time
nova lantern
Dropping bombs on capacity management
tawny python
multi-tenancy got hard when all the tenants decided to use their own sso providers, auth schemes, etc. A lot of products have fun implementing it, it's not just a 
thing.
modest epoch
Very effective question. Good job.
tawny python
just because everyone loves Chance, do you really need another reason to have him on?
hoary umbra
With SVMs and such, I suspect we're in the Multiverse saga now...
Did you just go from the Infinity Saga to the Triforce? This just got even nerdier.
left flare
Unraid is my home platform! Now I'm wondering if I could run a ONTAP simulator or select at home as a VM on top of it...
tawny python
when i was at RH used to support a openstack+ceph build for that but ... you don't want that sort of fun
stable oracle
run Plex on that AFF
nova lantern
I have run Select at home a lot for testing Trident
hoary umbra
Nice job folks!
left flare
I have run Select at home a lot for testing Trident
Yeah, I've spun it up on my ESXi host a few times too.
stable oracle
Well done! Thanks for the updates! Please do more of this
nova lantern
I do wonder if I still have Photon running on one of my Pi’s
stable oracle
fire emote is actual temp of the pi cpu?
supple jolt
What about disaggregated ONTAP? Why do we need HA (node_A can only takeover node_B and not node_C)? If everything is connected via ETH-Switches (intracluster traffic, HA traffic, even the storage via ETH-shelves) why not let any node takeover any other node in the cluster?
(let me dream 🙈)
stable oracle
OG1, i've seen a that drawn out on a whiteboard before, probably 5 years ago
supple jolt
Was that a whiteboard at the NetApp office? 😄
stable oracle
No, but it was with some NetApp employees. I wonder if it's still a dream floating around. It makes sense.
nova lantern
I’m torn, there’s some disaggregated stuff out there on the market, it comes with it’s own set of pros/cons.
supple jolt
omg I forgot to ask the most important question: What beer name will 9.13.1 have? 🍺
violet scarab
"Watch that space." --Glenn Sizemore
supple jolt
as a german I'm still waiting for Tannenzäpfle... I think there was something on one slide
violet scarab
Thanks everyone for joining us and for all the great questions! Hopefully, that gave you a good idea of where to go with your ONTAP upgrades!
lean pine
No, but it was with some NetApp employees. I wonder if it's still a dream float...
I recall those discussions. I don't know if I can say publically what happened to them, but it was a thing.
night wind
Love the questions popping up in the session. Awesome 🙂
violet scarab
@everyone This week's episode of NetApp ONAIR will feature none-other-than @fiery drum giving us a deep dive on Advanced Drive Partitioning (ADP)!
RSVP > https://discord.com/events/855068651522490400/1067204614086205582
As always you can watch along and livechat right here in Discord, but if you'd like to participate and get your question answered live on the show, join us on YouTube or Twitch and drop it into the livechat there so we can bring it on screen! (we can't do that on Discord (yet))
YouTube > https://youtu.be/Pwlib1ME-rU
Twitch > https://twitch.tv/netapp
violet scarab
Just a head's up! Today's episode will start 30 mins later than the usual time in order to accommodate our presenter's demanding schedule!
hoary umbra
I just hopped on to join and couldn't figure out why I couldn't see the stream going... you've got me trained for 10am PT every Wednesday already @violet scarab !
But I want to know what could possibly be more important for Mr. Bell than attending your fine programme! 😂
nocturne quartz
i would say lunch but thats just me lol
violet scarab
But I want to know what could possibly be more important for Mr. Bell than atten...
Customers > * [END]
hoary umbra
Customers > * [END]
Good answer and I agree then!
nocturne quartz
changes my answer to customer 🙂
violet scarab
@everyone We're live! T-minus 5 minutes! Bring your questions! This is gonna get DEEP technical into ONTAP disk configuration!
You can chat here, or join us on YouTube/Twitch to get your questions answered on the show!
Youtube > https://youtu.be/Pwlib1ME-rU
Twitch > https://twitch.tv/netapp
tawny python
Now if @violet scarab was to use an instrumental of Scotty doesn't know for the intro music for this I think a venmo gift would be on the way 🙂 Just to see the smile on Scott's face
violet scarab
hoary umbra
Hey, we're live!
tranquil turtle
Hello Guys!
hoary umbra
Someone needs to get this @violet scarab guy up to date. 😉
thick halo
Boomerang employees ftw!
nova lantern
We sing Scotty Doesn’t Know very often don’t we @nocturne quartz, almost like an anthem for Mr Gelb
nocturne quartz
Yes, yes we do 🙂
hoary umbra
I'm so happy when a boomerang employee comes back. Of course I'm a ride-or-die NetApp employee, so I'll see you all on NetApp ONAIR 2043 edition for my retirement party.
NetApp ONAIR 2043: VR Metaverse edition of course.
nocturne quartz
i got rif from netapp and then got brought right back to my home....i was happy i didn't have to go to another company
tawny python
I got a rif a while back, talk them into buying my current company and I'll come back, too many golden handcuffs to leave otherwise at the moment.
nova lantern
The tech world is carnage currently
tawny python
indeed
pure valve
Hi there >D
violet scarab
Thanks for joining us everyone!
devout crypt
That was confusing. I thought we would be asking questions here, but apparently there was a chat in the YouTube video as well. And, my question about the aggr creation GUI in 9.8 didn't get answered.
violet scarab
Sorry about that, @fiery drum said he covered it and I moved on. Which one did we miss? I'm sure he'd be happy to cover it here!
fiery drum
@devout crypt Can you repeat the question?
supple jolt
That was confusing. I thought we would be asking questions here, but apparently...
You can manually design your aggr layout in System Manager with 9.11.1
fiery drum
BRB
jagged gate
Best way to read about netapp so can troubleshoot day to day task.
nova lantern
docs.netapp.com is always a great place to start. But there are loads of resources out there, what kind of things are you doing that you'd like material for?
jagged gate
Material to start with indepth learning
devout crypt
<@689932209154424935> Can you repeat the question?
As far as I'm aware, the aggregate creation GUI is not available in System Manager in OnTap 9.8. How do you recommend customers create their aggregates? Or, am I missing it somewhere in System Manager?
devout crypt
it's in 9.8
When I do that, it just says "No recommendations can be made for this cluster".
Do I have to have full shelves of spare disks for it to work?
rigid narwhal
as far as I know, all you need is enough spare disks to create a DP and TEC aggr.
devout crypt
as far as I know, all you need is enough spare disks to create a DP and TEC aggr...
I would think that as long as I have spares it would give me recommendations on expanding existing aggregates, etc? I believe that is how it worked on <9.8.
rigid narwhal
i don't have spare disks to add in my lab, but let me see if I can find a place to test.
docs say you can expand in GUI - https://docs.netapp.com/us-en/ontap/disks-aggregates/add-disks-local-tier-aggr-task.html
should be in the drop down of the aggr.
devout crypt
Well, we're adding new disk shelves tonight, so I'll let you know 🙂
From that documentation, it looks like the difference is that you lose a lot of control over which disks you're adding and what RAID groups you're adding them to in 9.8-9.10, but looks like that was brought back in 9.11.
devout crypt
So, it may as well not exist then. I would never let the GUI decide how things are going to be done without being able to confirm it. Glad they brought back the old wizard in 9.11. Thanks for confirming though.
rigid narwhal
No problem. and I agree. I typically use the CLI for all that kinda stuff.
fiery drum
@devout crypt Can you get the output of this command? ||node run -node * aggr status -s||
violet scarab
node run -node * aggr status -s
You did the spoiler code somehow, Scott, where it hides it 🙂
fiery drum
that is strange - thanks, Nick!
night wind
Diving into the replay of ONAIR Episode #2 🙂
night wind
Great sessions folks. Not going to lie, my brain hurts a little from wrapping my head around all the bits and pieces that makes up ADP.
fiery drum
Great sessions folks. Not going to lie, my brain hurts a little from wrapping my...
It's not complicated in implementation. The nuances that evolved over time (hardware and software) are what get in the way.
winged stirrup
Diving into the replay of ONAIR Episode #2 🙂
Where can i listen to the replay?
violet scarab
Where can i listen to the replay?
winged stirrup
Thanks guys!
violet scarab
Starts at 6:42!
violet scarab
PSA: This week's episode of ONAIR has been postponed to March 1st. We'll be back next week with our Storage Portfolio Updates! Apologies for the late notice, and thanks for understanding!
coarse pond
Would be great to see a session on FlexCache if there is enough appetite for it, ADP one was great! Love getting down to nitty gritty tech detail and hearing the other questions!
violet scarab
Added to the list, thanks!
violet scarab
@everyone Today's episode of NetApp ONAIR is about to begin! You can watch along right here in Discord by joining the activity in the Watch Party channel, or if you'd like to get your questions answered on air, the best place to do that is joining us on YouTube or Twitch, whichever you prefer!
YouTube > https://youtube.com/live/l7udAP0IryM
Twitch > https://twitch.tv/netapp
hoary umbra
Let's do this thing!
modest epoch
and here we go
stable oracle
#discorddays
prisma shadow
it looks like the watch party is actually behind live, somehow. I'm going to fast forward us a bit real quick
nocturne patrol
NetApp - I love this company!
stuck estuary
it looks like the watch party is actually behind live, somehow. I'm going to fas...
About 22 seconds ahead now...
prisma shadow
I'm having to watch on 4 screens 🙃
stuck estuary
I'm having to watch on 4 screens 🙃
3 screens here... I counted the seconds between slide changes to give you a helping hand... 👍
worthy moth
"Bezel" count now =4
stuck estuary
6 now?
rigid narwhal
i'm sad i'm missing this call now.
prisma shadow
DRINK
limber cypress
nicely done 😆
worthy moth
"Bezel" count now 10. Glad I am drinking coffee and not other beverage
prisma shadow
I was about to ask if you're keeping up still
rigid narwhal
it's noon somewhere eh?
worthy moth
I was about to ask if you're keeping up still
Not really, but prove me wrong
stuck estuary
it's noon somewhere eh?
7:30pm over here... I'm good
rigid narwhal
modest epoch
I want the wind turbine bezel now
prisma shadow
Not really, but prove me wrong
We'll check the tape
hoary umbra
If someone wants to make an over/under bet on number of times we say bezel, I'll take the over... I might have an inside way to win.
stable oracle
i need a bezel with sound FX, light saber sounds when someone gets close to it, impact sounds when they touch it.
rigid narwhal
sounds like a good Pi project
hoary umbra
I need to write our PRD (product requirements document) for that bezel @stable oracle
stuck estuary
32TB NVMe drives any time soon?
stable oracle
boot ontap plays imperial death march
prisma shadow
I've seen network gear with motion/proximity sensors that were used to power off the port LEDs when the room was empty. with several thousand little blinking LEDs, there's some wattage to spare in a big datacenter.
stable oracle
bring tape back
nova lantern
bring tape back
It never went anywhere
rigid narwhal
We need to keep spinning drives alive to keep my user name relivant.
stable oracle
It never went anywhere
it did here
modest epoch
nearline/archive use cases where the array will be unplugged for an extended period of time, spinners are better than flash. flash might not be there when you plug it back in.
next swallow
WHERES THE BLUE BEZELL?! 😢
nova lantern
There’s been interesting developments like S3 gateways so you can do things like object direct to tape. Tape $/PB is still incredibly cost effective as well.
stable oracle
nobody in accounting has a bezel on the wall
rigid narwhal
I need one to add to my wall collection
prisma shadow
lol Jeff Bezel
stable oracle
hahahahaha
modest epoch
push that to people central
nova lantern
Someone ship me a bezel so I can mod one with some aRGB and an RPi Pico controller
prisma shadow
I'll see if I can borrow one from the lab
nova lantern
I’ll read all the system status and change the colours based on alerts and messages
Or you could change the colours based on the system usage
modest epoch
To/Gb sound effects
nova lantern
Might need a bit more than a pico, but yeah that’s possible
hoary umbra
Did I say bezels enough?
modest epoch
getting there
prisma shadow
@crisp glen re: your power on/off comment on YT
As an example of that, the network vendor I used to work for was able to link badge systems to know when an employee was in or out of the office to power off their voip desk phone, as an example of "advanced" power savings.
Doesn't matter much anymore though
stable oracle
Another job well done! Thanks for the Bezel Episode!
modest epoch
<@599411133300080660> re: your power on/off comment on YT
As an example of that...
Nice. A "boss is here" early warning system.
rigid narwhal
New bezel would look great in the collection.
stable oracle
^THIS
stuck estuary
Top right is still running in one of our DCs...
prisma shadow
I'm going to have to parse the auto-captions to see how many times Bezel was mentioned 😆
rigid narwhal
uptime of like 15 years eh?
modest epoch
we're all excited about the launch of the new bezels 🙂
stuck estuary
uptime of like 15 years eh?
Never seen it off...
rigid narwhal
😄
stuck estuary
First visit in that DC early 2008...
modest epoch
nick needs to check volume level on that wrap up music
tawny python
gave him self grammy get off the stage music ... nice
violet scarab
dammit, was it too loud again?
hoary umbra
No such thing as "too loud"
nova lantern
Man that outro music is deafening!
modest epoch
you might as well have been talking on mute
stuck estuary
dammit, was it too loud again?
Not really, but what were you saying? I saw your mouth moved...
violet scarab
Not sure why it does that at the end like that. Literally didn't touch the knob from the beginning
nova lantern
I think the whole train heard it through my AirPods
violet scarab
Problem to solve! Thanks for letting me know, apologies
stable oracle
tawny python
i think you can add volume tags to the track to keep it from doing that
modest epoch
time to razz your sound guy 😆
prisma shadow
It wasn't my fault haha
distant sparrow
When Drew says wrap it up, he means it!
modest epoch
gotta photoshop the new bezels into the bumper graphic
tawny python
@violet scarab https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReplayGain
violet scarab
Nothing to do with any of that, I promise.
crisp glen
<@599411133300080660> re: your power on/off comment on YT
As an example of that...
Nice! So many things you could potentially do to reduce power usage or even other cool security things like enable/disable physical network ports to ensure nobody else can use it.
stuck estuary
I can imagine "Spin-Up/Down" on SSDs, but with actual HDDs it reminds me of the MAID systems of old and HDDs failing to spin up again e.g. after power failures...
nova lantern
QLC is 100mW idle, so there’s a huge improvement over spinning disk already
violet scarab
The amount of power/cooling saved transitioning from 10K SAS 2.5" shelves to QLC flash shelves would likely justify/fund the cost.
supple jolt
I was thinking: FlashCache should still be TLC-based right? So the read-caching of FlashCache in the FAS should be a bit faster than the QLC-SSDs in the AFF C-Series...
So why not add FlashCache to the C-Series? 😉
fiery drum
I was thinking: FlashCache should still be TLC-based right? So the read-caching ...
Depends on the manufacturer of the media, which has changed over time. All AFF & FAS systems automatically have a read cache: it is reserved space in system memory. Caching read data from flash memory doesn't make sense until there is a faster media like storage-class memory to leverage. Otherwise, you're adding another layer of processing that won't properly be leveraged and, in effect, slow things down a bit needlessly.
tranquil pier
The amount of power/cooling saved transitioning from 10K SAS 2.5" shelves to QLC...
depends on your power costs, but SSD hasn't had much of an advantage over spinning drives in a watt per GB comparisons
rigid narwhal
only 60?
stuck estuary
I was thinking: FlashCache should still be TLC-based right? So the read-caching ...
Or Z-NAND... I remember a demo at an Insight some time ago...
supple jolt
Hmmm that would be nice.
It's a pity that 3D XPoint is dead...
supple jolt
Is this a display? 😮
olive canyon
Is this a display? 😮
nice, it seems to be showing current power use and temperature
prisma shadow
Today's NetApp ONAIR guest is a busy guy and is running a little behind... we'll get started shortly!
worthy moth
Can I pick the music next time?
nova lantern
Maybe each guest should have their own walk on theme
worthy moth
I claim American Idiot for me.
rigid narwhal
Joined late, but did they cover NFS v4 Session trunking and VMware yet?
stuck estuary
not yet...
prisma shadow
vNick?
rigid narwhal
That's what happens when you download Nick in to the Matrix.
violet scarab
I think of Job in THE LAWNMOWER MAN
gleaming warren
Hi Nick, thanks for mentioning my question in the show 🙂 You mentioned an early adopters program for ONTAP Tools... I am actually a partner/reseller, can you please point me in the right direction in order to get my hands on a software package that can install on vSphere 8... it's been out for quite awhile now and I am surprised that NetApp is lagging behind on this, especially as SnapCenter works flawlessly 😉 Maybe it wan't such a good idea to mix the ONTAP Tools GUI with the vVol provider software, as I guess this is why is has not been released yet? 😉
stuck estuary
regarding the new NFS -v4.2-sparsefile-ops: Is "unmap" for NFS datastores maybe coming any time soon??
whole tiger
Hello all, i was checking 9.12.1 from docs and youtube videos but i did not fully understand the "public preview -large lun support for fas and aff". I knew asa support 128tb lun and 300tb volume size begining from 9.8. I also upgraded my fas(demo env) to check the sizing but it is still saying 100tb is the limit. In the youtube cast 'chance bingen' said 'get the details how to enable large lun' , is there any one know anything about this issue?
rigid narwhal
AFAIK. There's a few things to enable for the Public Preview.
and to work with your account team on the Preview.
stuck estuary
Hello all, i was checking 9.12.1 from docs and youtube videos but i did not full...
Some parameters in the Pre-Boot environment IIRC...
rigid narwhal
^ pretty much.
whole tiger
I did not know that at all 🙂 thanks for the responses, i will be contacting tomorrow to our accounf team, thanks again.
violet scarab
tagging @sour shard so he can address some of these
sour shard
@whole tiger the large LUN and file support is considered public preview in 9.12.1 GA release and will transition to fully supported in some future release, either a P-release or maybe the next maintenance release.
@stuck estuary we're talking to VMware about possibly adopting NFS v4.2, but for now it's still a future thing maybe.
sour shard
@gleaming warren if you reach out to me privately or have your account team ping me we can get you set up with the EAP for OTV on vSphere 8. I've got it on 8.0.1. beta in my lab and it works great.
reef crane
nice, it seems to be showing current power use and temperature
Ill just say that you shouldn’t make a purchasing decision without reading the product brief, which includes a disclaimer about appearance, unfortunately
olive canyon
Ill just say that you shouldn’t make a purchasing decision without reading the p...
so it's only concept or render? 😉
rigid narwhal
Shhhhh
violet scarab
ICYMI today, here is the episode with Chance covering VMware Best Practices and updates for 2023! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMej3ykxD74
night wind
Congrats on another great onair session! 🙂
dark venture
i would love to see an indepth NetApp TR on setting up ONTAP SM-BC and VMware vMSC.. This is becomming a pretty popular solution in the market now.. https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/83370
high wyvern
In which version did we introduced the rbac where we could assign specific API Endpoints to custom roles via UI and CLI?
night wind
In which version did we introduced the rbac where we could assign specific API E...
ONTAP has supported custom roles created via CLI across many versions, however only with the release of 9.11.1 did things get improved - https://netapp.io/2022/06/26/rbac-using-ontap-rest-apis/
high wyvern
ONTAP has supported custom roles created via CLI across many versions, however o...
Awesome, thank you 🙂
dark venture
Just a quick question on which was bought up in the VMware live chat.. it was mentioned to use auto grow and shrink on the volumes which house the datastores. I know with NFS datastores once you resize the volume in ONTAP you still need to go into VMware (Vcenter) and click on the datastore and click refesh so VMware can see the new updates size. Doesnt this make it a little defaunct.. unless you had automation into VMware to run the refresh ?
rigid narwhal
If your using NFS (which is implied with flexgroup). VMware will notice the size change.
dark venture
is this VMware 8 ?
rigid narwhal
NFS is pretty quick to pick up. usually have to wait a bit though in the GUI to see the resize. clicking refresh helps.
but here's it in the CLI -
Top is ONTAP bottom is esxi
there's no rescan the VMFS datastore like with block.
[root@esx1:~] vmware -v
VMware ESXi 7.0.1 build-17325551
violet scarab
@everyone Bit of a curve ball today, as our guest had a conflict, so we're bringing in a special guest, our very own @nova lantern joins the show to go over NetApp Astra, what it is, and how it can make life easier to manage your kubernetes deployments using the power of ONTAP!
Join us on YouTube > https://youtube.com/live/h-QWtbVQoVg
Watch along on Twitch > https://twitch.tv/netapp
hoary umbra
Can I just mention how amused I am that the first YouTube comment on the stream was "Anybody get their new bezel yet?". Thanks @crisp glen
nova lantern
Everyone one loves a bezel. Maybe we should have created a new one sooner
crisp glen
😁😁😁
echo lark
Late to the bezel conversation. This is my most treasured tech momento. Paul Coartney got most of the signatures for me (all but Mendoza's).
sinful gulch
Just watched the VM BP ONAIR. Where can we get a copy of the slide deck?
meager sparrow
@rigid narwhal @stuck estuary @sour shard I saw you guys talking about "session trunking", two questions if you can please help:
- We configured Session Trunking by adding multiple IP's in mounting NFSv4.1 datastores/ONTAP9.9.1. We know now it is not supported, and won't work. Do we have to revert back. Any issues if we don't?
- I know starting 9.12.1, it will cover Session Trunking, but it only stays on one node versus multiple nodes in the cluster, since we only have one LIF per node, we will have to add more LIF's on each node in order to use it. But, is it worth of all these efforts since it works only on one node? How much performance could be improved ?
violet scarab
Just watched the VM BP ONAIR. Where can we get a copy of the slide deck?
If you're an employee/partner, @sour shard might have it on Field Portal.
sour shard
The performance improvement we have seen in testing can be substantial if you can push that much work down the pipes. If you are barely using one NIC, it probably won't change too much. However, at this time, it remains unsupported. Just having the trunked datastore sitting there is fine, just don't run any VMs on it until it's supported.
meager sparrow
- there is only one LIF on the LACP group on each node, and one LIF per node. So, how could I understand you about "pushing that much work down the pipes"? I can add more LIF's on the node on the same LACP group, but still only one node server the requests.
- We have a lot of VM's running on trunked datastores, I know this is not right, but there seems no problem so far, so, not sure of if we can leave it as is...
lean pine
It works...but don't call Support or we'll say "sorry unsupported config" if an issue happens to be anything closely related to that.
(obviously a bad SFP/etc. won't get us to say that, but you get the idea)
reef crane
Can I just mention how amused I am that the first YouTube comment on the stream ...
Can you get STLs to give out? 🤣
night wind
Late to the party here as per usual, but great sessions @violet scarab and @nova lantern - being a bit clueless to Kubernetes and Astra I appreciate this introduction to what Astra can do!
I was getting PTSD flashbacks to cPanel and built in automated deployments of Wordpress on Virtual Private Servers. That then got hacked in about 3 minutes due to being out of date 🙂
night wind
Also looking forward to next weeks session. Digital Advisor is my favourite thing to talk about.
stuck estuary
<@743120101942886442> if you reach out to me privately or have your account team...
Hi @sour shard , one thing I'd really like to see in the next version of OTV is:
Put the link to the User Privileges file directly on the Dashboard https://OTV:9083/vsc/config/VSC_ONTAP_User_Privileges.zip , maybe instead of the mostly outdated link to the RBAC UC...
And why is there no link to the deep link above from https://OTV:9083 ?
(These 2 things should be really easy to implement, I think...)
And, as mentioned in PMs, maybe review the ZIP file for needed permissions, since I had no luck creating kerberized datastores with the user with these privileges, but got a little farther with the regular "admin"...
rapid steppe
Late to the bezel conversation. This is my most treasured tech momento. Paul C...
The only leftover bezel I've got is an old NL400 isilon node that we taped a garbaged up boot drive to (oneFS 7 was bad...).
We removed it's head and cut out it's heard.
That said. I used to have some FAS3040 bezels around somewhere
wheat scaffold
Late to the bezel conversation. This is my most treasured tech momento. Paul C...
Reach out to Mendoza on LinkedIn? He’s pretty active there and I bet you could send it to him
violet scarab
Mendoza's is right there on the bottom right. I think he meant Paul got all the sigs, but HE actually got Mendoza's.
prisma shadow
Let's start the show!
stuck estuary
Yep: 9.10.1 for Firmware Updates in System Manager...
Why would you willingly have different ONTAP releases within 1 cluster... (selectable here) 🙃
Hmmmmm, mixed cluster with some EOL HW that can't go beyond a release, but you're still willing to update to a certain P release... 🧐
🙂
supple jolt
Let's start the show!
damn, I keep on missing these sessions...
prisma shadow
Honest question for you, @supple jolt. Is there something we could do differently to help remind you? We didn’t @ everyone this time. Would that help, or do people dislike that?
supple jolt
I wouldn't mind getting pinged every two weeks, it's not like it happens daily. But I guess some people don't like that.
I mean I can watch the replay on youtube so that's nice, but being able to ask questions during a livestream with NetApp-staff is not something which happens that often.
violet scarab
I mean I can watch the replay on youtube so that's nice, but being able to ask q...
It happens now every Wednesday @ 10AM Pacific! 🙂
If you go to the event, there's a "Add to Calendar" option if that helps
supple jolt
hmm good idea
night wind
Could we have some sort of reminder bot that drops a message or two in this channel and direct msgs folks whom registered?
Keen to watch this Digital Advisor session! Will give it a run through today.
violet scarab
Could we have some sort of reminder bot that drops a message or two in this chan...
Everyone that RSVP's to the event should be getting notifications when the event starts
no need for a bot
night wind
Yeah when it starts, but not leading up to. Fair enough though, just a thought. 🙂
night wind
Great session @shrewd island and @violet scarab - you would be surprised how often I speak to customers whom are NOT using this tool. It's all these capabilities that make life easier for storage admins. Exactly why I try to tell everyone I can about it any chance I get.
Also a tip for anyone reading / watching that are a dark site. As Brett mentioned you can deploy on-premise ActiveIQ Unified Manager to get the same risk information presented to you, AND there is a process to keep the "risks signature" database updated manually (assuming Unified Manager is also fenced off from the internet).
prisma shadow
Allllmost there
hoary umbra
I don't know why that doesn't show as animated.
I hear good things about this "Chuck Foley" guy. Can't wait.
stuck estuary
Animated for me...👍
hoary umbra
Oh good, at least the important technical issue is resolved. LOL.
stuck estuary
Well, by now we should probably be afraid, that the Popcorn runs out, before "the movie" starts... 😋
violet scarab
@everyone LIVE NOW with Chuck Foley giving us a Guided Tour of BlueXP! Join us on YouTube, Twitch, or right here in Discord!
timber lantern
max headroom?
hoary umbra
Turns out I had three tabs of it open while trying to figure out if the technical stuff was my end, and I suddenly got Nick Howell yelling at me in triplicate.
stable oracle
this couldn't be any more timely for me.
hoary umbra
Which VP would possibly be hanging out in Discord? That's crazy talk.
stuck estuary
max headroom?
hoary umbra
That's a good feature request to propagate upwards to allow a user setting to force management only by BlueXP. Disable the on-box SysMgr, etc.
hoary umbra
The paranoid person in me doesn't particularly like cutting off any ability to manage a system if there's problems with a given cloud vendor or my own connectivity to it... but maybe that's just an edge case.
stuck estuary
Can you use user login restrictions to limit them to BlueXP...? The "application" on the CLI...?
hoary umbra
Did you talk about the Sustainability Dashboard preview? I might have missed that...
That's my favorite BlueXP future...
Heavy? I resemble that remark!
violet scarab
There's so much, we didn't get to that one, no. But I believe there's an upcoming Sustainability episode on the roadmap
supple jolt
The paranoid person in me doesn't particularly like cutting off any ability to m...
I would still enable the local admin-user to access the SP/BMC, maybe limited to a certain network. Sort of as a "break-glass" last resort user.
But having a central IdP for all NetApp storage related would be great.
The issue is that ONTAP currently does not support SAML via AzureAD and more and more customers are asking this. Because a MFA capability is needed for your critical storage systems.
nova lantern
The issue is that ONTAP currently does not support SAML via AzureAD and more and...
You can do SAML via AAD
supple jolt
You can but it's not one of the "validated solutions" like ADFS, Shibboleth or Cisco Duo.
"non-qualified" they say
And if you tell a customer that, he will not force his main management access to the system manager to a solution which might break once Azure or ONTAP changes anything.
And then getting the NetApp support showing you this KB if you need help.
I've tried with customer but if there is a kb-article which explicitly says that AzureAD is a "non-qualified" IdP, they wont do it 😦
nova lantern
Maybe @hoary umbra can pass that along to the right people, it’s being used a lot, probably about time it was qualified.
supple jolt
That would be absolutely fantastic
We tried a "Standard Engineering PVR" which got declined. We still have a "Future Enhancement PVR" but no infos on this front since three months.
violet scarab
The VOD is now available, ICYMI the livestream! https://youtube.com/live/ARZxemCx4ug?feature=share
stuck sedge
night wind
Awesome session @violet scarab and Chuck. I was poking around BlueXP today, and realised that there is now the ability to raise support cases AND see existing support cases from within BlueXP. So you don't even need to jump over to NSS to get support! 😄
fervent hemlock
Nice talking to you briefly today @violet scarab
violet scarab
@everyone Our ONAIR session this week will bring Artificial Intelligence into the fold with Hoseb Dermanilian! RSVP, because you don't wanna miss this one! https://discord.gg/Afg278V7KW?event=1084866502529912924
violet scarab
@everyone NetApp ONAIR is LIVE NOW! Artificial Intelligence with Hoseb! Join us on YouTube or Twitch, or watch along right here in the Watch Party channel!
prisma shadow
Be sure to join the activity here if you're not already following along elsewhere 🙂
prisma shadow
An eerily familiar drum beat plays faintly in the background...
olive canyon
*An eerily familiar drum beat plays faintly in the background...*
dun dun dun du du dun dun
night wind
@violet scarab Just going through the ONAIR replay now. That story about the Google brain, and the two brains "isolating" the 3rd brain that was added in, is ... insane.
limpid hinge
violet scarab
@everyone This week's session (and presenter) are in constant high-demand, so we're lucky to have him to give us an intro/overview of Instaclustr and a full demo, taking us deep down the rabbithole of managed databases in the cloud, and how Instaclustr and Spot co-exist to make that much, much easier!
Guest ➡️ @abstract matrix
Topic ➡️ Instaclustr - Intro, Overview, & Demo
RSVP! https://discord.com/events/855068651522490400/1085263548646695052
violet scarab
@everyone
NetApp ONAIR is LIVE NOW with @abstract matrix giving you an introduction and demo to the power of Instaclustr! Join us here for live chat and a Watch Party, or come join us on YouTube or Twitch to get your questions answered on-air!
YouTube ➡️ https://youtube.com/live/7E_oep0P1bU
Twitch ➡️ https://twitch.tv/netapp
stable oracle
lotsa blinky blinky
prisma shadow
lol "turbo nerds" 🤓
stuck estuary
E.g. StorageGrid is using Cassandra with an RF=3 per site for the metadata
night wind
I'm from Instaclustr, AMA 😆
Welcome John! 😄 If you want to ping me or any of the mods on Microsoft Teams, we can update your status here in Discord to show you are a staff member.
violet scarab
I'm from Instaclustr, AMA 😆
Hiya John! Not a lot of activity in #1064968728229445693 quite yet, but good to know you're here so we can tag ya if something comes up!
Anything Will and I didn't cover in the show today?
tawny spoke
i thought it was a good introduction, no notes from me
i was too distracted by the monoliths in your background to be honest
violet scarab
@everyone On today's episode of NetApp ONAIR, @eager hinge joins the show to give us a current State of the Union of the Spot by NetApp portfolio. I'm also really looking forward to chatting about the #DevRel community, what we're doing at NetApp, and how we can better our efforts to be better citizens!
Join us LIVE and bring your questions!
https://discord.com/events/855068651522490400/1090180905039040522
violet scarab
If you're watching along here in Discord, don't forget to "Join Activity" so you can see/hear the stream!
next swallow
So many ways to say hi lol
prisma shadow
Indeed
next swallow
All hail LaserJet 4000
eager hinge
I do databases in FrontPage
Even Route 53 is a Database if you just try hard enough! -- Corey Quinn
next swallow
Even Route 53 is a Database if you just try hard enough! -- Corey Quinn
Haha I saw that
frozen garnet
anyone here is fimilar with NetApp XCP
pls help me out
I want to use the NetApp XCP to migrate volume NAS to another storage. is it support migrate Polices or Qtrees?
nova lantern
There isn’t really a good place for XCP and/or migration questions in general yet, I’ll raise that with the team see if we need something adding. For the mean time please open a thread in #1062049169520476220 as it relates to policies and qtrees
frozen garnet
Yes, i know
how can I contact a person who are expert in NetApp XCP for migration data
pls help
nova lantern
XCP will only migrate data via the protocol and any attributes of that protocol, such as permissions and links.
If you want to migrate qtrees and policies you would want to look at SVM-DR or SVM Migrate
frozen garnet
that's good reponse from you because I am confused.
I appricate that
Can I make a friend with you? pls help me
frozen garnet
@nova lantern i found something in a document. The following features are not supported with SVM migration: qtrees, quota.
hollow axle
Let me dig into that for you a little @frozen garnet I'm doing some competitive analysis for SVM-DR and SVM-Migrate
I assume the document you're referring to is https://docs.netapp.com/us-en/ontap/svm-migrate/index.html#unsupported-features
hollow axle
I'm just double checking in the 9.12 Lab on demand .. because I'm pretty sure I had quotas moving across fine with SVM-DR
hollow axle
just confirmed, if you run the svm-migrate with check_only = true on an SVM that has a volume with quotas on it, you'll see a message similar to
Error: command failed: Cannot migrate Vserver "svm-migrate-source" because a non-default qtree "svm-migrate-qtree-test2" exists on the volume
At this point, maybe one way to get around this would be to download the quota config in a .csv format, which can be done from system manager, and then use that as input in something like a powershell script or ansible playbook to remove and then re-add the quota policies.
or potentially use svm-dr instead of svm-migrate, which if you're ok with a little disruption on cutover, might be the best option
violet scarab
@everyone Tomorrow's episode of NetApp ONAIR features our Director of FlexPod Solutions, Jeremy Hall, going over the latest updates for FlexPod! I'm sure we'll also reminisce about the early days and start of it, and how it has grown to be one of the biggest parts of NetApp's business over the last 15 years. Rumor has it, he is also bringing a special guest that wants ALL of your feedback, so please come and give them all the questions!
RSVP ➡️ https://discord.com/events/855068651522490400/1092941484141072476
formal zephyr
@everyone Tomorrow's episode of NetApp ONAIR features our Director of FlexPod So...
Jeremy is AWESOME. Great guest @violet scarab!
violet scarab
@everyone WE'RE LIVE! Come and join us, bring your questions and feedback for the FlexPod leadership!
YouTube ➡️ https://youtube.com/live/5yR6awBTqvQ
Twitch ➡️ https://twitch.tv/netapp
If you'd like to watch along right here in Discord, join the Watch Party voice channel and Join Activity!
runic mango
prisma shadow
There's your shoutout, Mike
nocturne quartz
we're testing redhat openshift hybrid cloud now in the lab
rustic nymph
Great session!
prisma shadow
Thanks for joining us!
nocturne quartz
its @rustic nymph 👋
rustic nymph
HOLA @nocturne quartz !
nocturne quartz
😄
violet scarab
#JEdge
rustic nymph
Hola @violet scarab ! 👋
edgy saffron
@violet scarab of course I missed the session again 😦 Is there a chance to get in touch with the presenters after auch a session?
Of course I could start posting it in the chat but as my request is rly FlexPod specific it somehow doesn’t fit anywhere. And don’t build another channel, we have enough!
edgy saffron
Sounds good and I post it here… @rustic nymph when it comes to FlexPod it’s a CVD which mostly defines connections and there are config examples based on certain versions.
I don’t know if you are aware what VCE (=Dell) is doing with the VxBlock: they don’t only define a design, they also provide „RCM“ releases. This are tested versions of all components within a VxBlock (vCenter, UCS, MDS, NXOS, drivers, FW and software versions). Every single component has a recommended version and they are all tested together.
I am looking for something similar for FlexPod. I know there are close to 200 FlexPod CVDs out there, but the majority of the components are the same and it would be a real benefit to have „validated“ or „tested“ versions other than the IMT/HWU. I want to bring this up with Chris O‘Brian from Cisco as well.
Do you think this would be possible?
supple jolt
Isn't everything in IMT "tested" as well?
I think you could do something like that with Intersight's "Integrated Systems" feature. It would show you all components of your FlexPod and if the versions of software/firmware are supported. You could even run a "Interoperability check".
(screenshot from here: https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/solutions/collateral/data-center-virtualization/flexpod/flexpod-xcs-solution-intersight.html#ConvergedinventoryviewfullstackvisibilityandalarmsonCiscoIntersightplatform)
edgy saffron
Sry needed to delete the content here as I don’t know if I am allowed to share it public.
Anyway integrated solution is not what I am asking for. This was confirmed at Cisco Live by one of the CVD engineers
supple jolt
hm...ok
I'm interested what you're missing. What value do these "RCM" release provide?
rustic nymph
Hi @edgy saffron - lets set up to some time to connect so that I can better understand your ask. @supple jolt is correct, we test all flavors/versions of ONTAP/software/firmware/etc so that we can publish all combinations/permutations that are supported. Part of what puts the "flex" in FlexPod. But I can do some homework on what an RCM release is to help get up to speed on your ask. I know Chris O very well, and of course the TME's/PMs on both sides... so we can put together a quorum pretty quickly. Feel free to reach out to me at edgell@netapp.com and I'll pull something together.
edgy saffron
@rustic nymph many thanks, I will reach out to you. I am pleasantly surprised how easy it can be to get in touch with the right people!
@supple jolt what VxBlock and RCM release basically is: you have one list of all FW and driver versions in one file. Example:
ESX, nfnic driver, blade FW, MDS FW, ONTAP. So far you have it in the IMT. But there is additional IOM FW version, FI FW version, NetApp SP version, vCenter, ONTAP tools, VASA provider/VSC, SnapCenter version … all in the same document and the RCM release is tested with all of this.
Does the SP impact you SAN performance? It won’t. But you know someone from the vendor has tested this combination of releases and you don’t have to collect all IMTs and information on your own prior an upgrade. It’s not only a validated design, it’s also a validated version of software/firmware
night wind
Nice session team - just watched the replay. 🙂
violet scarab
@everyone The show is about to begin! This week, we bring in our community members from the #1062050414146625536 team, @elder glen and @tulip umbra to go over their projects and how you can use them in your datacenter!
Youtube ➡️ https://youtube.com/live/2DxwIvdTVqw
hoary umbra
Morning all - I'm unfortunately locked in never-ending mtgs today, but wanted to wish you a good stream, and I'll of course be watching the Discord chat.. plus view the replay.
Nick, if you do a good job, I might even tip you a bezel.
violet scarab
hoary umbra
Yes I'm in Discord Nick!
rotund pagoda
Excellent content @violet scarab !
brave shoal
hello I had a question regarding Harvest (I watched the beginning of the stream, it was great!)
Wouldn't it be possible to run Harvest, or some kind of Prometheus exporter, directly on the device? Assuming a big company, with Prometheus/Grafana already in place, SNMP exporter probably running already (which would be an alternative that just works, but that woudnt leverage the dashboards you built), wouldn't it beneficial to just scrape the devices directly? That would remove the hassle of having to maintain an extra component, also it would improve the quality of the metrics as we reduce the "stratum" and scrape the source directly. Since you mentioned you moved from perl to go I guess the thing could just be compiled for freebsd and run there?
elder glen
hi @brave shoal we've discussed that but haven't tried it yet. It absolutely should work to run Harvest onbox. We already statically compile Harvest which means it should be straightforward to run on freebsd
brave shoal
cool! I can't wait to try that 😄 (I'm sure it's not that trivial)
violet scarab
It saddens me to report there will be no episode of ONAIR this week. We’ll be back next week.
edgy saffron
One less episode I miss. Just watched the nabox / harvest one. Rly good, thanks for showing new and upcoming dashboards and the automatic change for the API.
I like the planned EMS integration.
When it comes to e-series, the performance analyser has been archived (https://github.com/NetApp/eseries-perf-analyzer). It didn’t contain that many dashboards, but is the future of performance monitoring in harvest or what would you recommend today @elder glen?
elder glen
hi @edgy saffron thanks! we've had a few requests about collecting metrics for e-series https://github.com/NetApp/harvest/issues/1357 please +1 that issue if that's something you'd like to see. Your in luck, EMS is available now https://netapp.github.io/harvest/23.02/configure-ems/
violet scarab
@everyone Unfortunately due to some scheduling snafu's, there will be no episode of ONAIR today. We'll be back next week with @solar ravine to cover all-things Cyber Resiliency at NetApp!
hollow mirage
OK
eager hinge
Dis Gonna be good tho. So we should all tune in.
solar ravine
@everyone Unfortunately due to some scheduling snafu's, there will be no episode...
Definitely excited for this one!
violet scarab
@everyone We're LIVE! Join us on YouTube, Twitch, or right here in Discord for today's episode of NetApp ONAIR! Featuring @solar ravine, Sr Prod Mgr for ONTAP Security, we're going to cover all-things Cyber Resiliency, including ZeroTrust, Ransomware, Encryption, and much, much more!
Bring your questions to the live chat and we'll answer them LIVE ... ONAIR!
gaunt sequoia
Thanks Guys
gaunt sequoia
@prisma shadow good work on the discord promo, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24hvuzKweOU&ab_channel=NetApp liked the motion in of the discord panels haha
prisma shadow
I appreciate that, @gaunt sequoia 😎
I had fun making that one.
violet scarab
@everyone Don't miss this week's episode of NetApp ONAIR! You know when @hoary umbra shows up with friends, that good things are bound to happen! This time, @halcyon forum joins Jeff to go over .... well, you'll just have to wait and see (for now!).
RSVP ➡️ https://discord.com/events/855068651522490400/1107747961397596190
devout crypt
@everyone Don't miss this week's episode of NetApp ONAIR! You know when <@97839...
@violet scarab these are recorded, right? Unfortunately, I have a conflict at the scheduled time, but would love to watch it at some point. Will the link still be the same for the recording?
prisma shadow
Hey Jim. Yep - the replay is available at the same link, immediately after air.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBnrAGltewPWEadNWSbG6mDubyGO6YqQu
Here's the playlist
hoary umbra
Getting ready to be ONAIR, gonna be a blast!
violet scarab
@everyone We're LIVE with our guests @hoary umbra and @halcyon forum to go over all the gorey details of the launch yesterday! Join us and watch along right here in Discord, or bring your questions to the live chat on YouTube or twitch!
stable oracle
Baxter mode... Engaged
hoary umbra
Bezels fully deployed. Engage.
halcyon forum
ONTAP One deployed. Engage.
worthy moth
nice effect
worthy moth
Free bezel your fifth appearance
halcyon forum
30 years of NetApp between the 2 of us....
rigid narwhal
How does one get a bezzel? I need one for my wall collection? :).
halcyon forum
Those are not REAL LUNS....
stuck estuary
Those are not REAL LUNS....
I remember that one...
hoary umbra
How does one get a bezzel? I need one for my wall collection? :).
I have so many request for a bezel, it's ridiculous. I'm going to need to start eBezel to auction them off.
unborn moon
"The domain ebezel.com may be for sale."
stable oracle
rigid narwhal
I have so many request for a bezel, it's ridiculous. I'm going to need to start ...
ha.. guess I need to go back to PS. thats where I got all my existing ones 🙂 after upgrading customer systems.
stable oracle
so who is sporting a bezel at insight?
prisma shadow
I want a Flavor Flav style bezel necklace for INSIGHT
unborn moon
"I went to Insight and all I got was a bezel"
halcyon forum
Bezels are made from recycled Symmetrix controllers....(Joking....they are not...I don't think)
unborn moon
When the lease on my last Symmetrix ended, we had a $1 buyout. We didn't want to pay it so the lessor would have to take it away. They waived the $1 😦
halcyon forum
LUN misalignment...uggghhh
unborn moon
I had a very bad flashback when Nick said "lun misalignment".
tawny python
used to be just grab one out of the recycle bin next to the lab
violet scarab
Sorry that animation was too much to leave up lol
unborn moon
Sorry that animation was too much to leave up lol
LOL
license per protocol. Triggered again!
unborn moon
Is SVM DR included for moving SVMs from one cluster to another within the same datacenter (not cloud)?
Awesome, @halcyon forum , thanks!
we wait for 9.$anything until at least P3. I see that P3 just dropped...
prisma shadow
Yep -- 9.12.1P3 hit NSS about 4h ago
stable oracle
P3 plus one week
unborn moon
Storage Lifecycle available for AFF?
halcyon forum
Storage Lifecycle available for AFF?
Yes... Not on the ASA yet....yet...
unborn moon
Yes... Not on the ASA yet....yet...
Nice. Procurement here is hard... and why would I switch vendors in 3 years? 🙂
stable oracle
how many slides earn a bezel?
prisma shadow
60 mentions last time
unborn moon
awesome presentation all y'all. Thanks!
hoary umbra
Thanks Ed!
stable oracle
Thanks Mr. Bezel
violet scarab
ICYMI and want the replay, here ya go! https://youtube.com/live/MXUCb1rHqHQ
bronze kite
ICYMI and want the replay, here ya go! https://youtube.com/live/MXUCb1rHqHQ
Popcorn...we need popcorn for this!
limber flare
Thanks Ed!
So good … miss ya buddy!
violet scarab
In case anyone comes to check, there's no ONAIR episode scheduled this week, but we'll be back next week with @fiery drum giving us a deeper dive on the new ASA and FAS28xx platforms!
late cypress
prisma shadow
Post this up in #┊・just-chatting instead, please
violet scarab
@everyone On tomorrow's episode of NetApp ONAIR, we're going on a Guided Tour of the entire AFF & FAS hardware portfolio as things stand in 2023. For those that might be new to NetApp, it'll be a great way to introduce you to the various platforms, and hear it straight from our Senior Product Manager, @fiery drum, on how best to decide which starting point would be best for you! We'll also be slotting in all the new platforms introduced this year, including the new C-series, ASA, and FAS2800-series!
RSVP ➡️ https://discord.com/events/855068651522490400/1113214074881314887
violet scarab
Good morning! Unfortunately, due to some unforeseen circumstances, we have to postpone this week's show. Given that next week is Cisco Live, I'm rescheduling Scott's Guided Tour for June 14th. If you clicked the RSVP above or "Notify Me" on YouTube, no worries that will update automatically.
violet scarab
Good morning all! We're about to get started with Mr @fiery drum going over the current state of the Hardware Portfolio, and how to get started with each member of the NetApp family!
Unfortunately, my Partner-in-Crime is out on vacation, so no stream/watch-party here in Discord, but I'll still keep an eye on the chat, just in case. Come join us on YouTube or Twitch (whichever you prefer) so we can bring your questions right onto the show!
prisma shadow
I’m that guy- I’m the one on vacation 😎
Have a great show!
dire marsh
Here and helping watch chats on this and YouTube 🙂
hoary umbra
Troy, I may have to steal that name. But I probably can’t produce a bezel for it.
I had a mtg that I couldn’t miss but I happened to be checking the NetApp LinkedIn page and it suddenly showed me Nick live across the top of the page. Pretty cool.
stuck estuary
Thanks for pointing out the difference on the (e.g.) A/C400 Ethernet/Unified config.
That icon is so tiny, I overlooked it until now... 🧐
stable oracle
Ijustwant2gofast.com is available.
violet scarab
Troy, I may have to steal that name. But I probably can’t produce a bezel for it...
I need us to launch an official campaign for the A900.
NetApp AFF A900 -- The Answer is YES!
Can I use... - YES!
How many... - YES!
Can it run Crysis... - YES!
rigid narwhal
Nothing can run Crysis. It’s like the opposite of DOOM
violet scarab
@everyone We're taking a couple of weeks off, returning after the July 4th break here in the US. Kicking things off with @ripe sphinx from VMware going over the latest with VMC in AWS and how backing it with FSx ONTAP is a game-changer for our mutual VMware, AWS, and NetApp customers.
The following week, we'll continue the conversation with @silver roost, the AWS Principal Product Mgr for FSx ONTAP, as we approach the two year anniversary of the launch of Amazon FSx for NetApp ONTAP!
https://discord.com/events/855068651522490400/1121526643643658350
https://discord.com/events/855068651522490400/1121541332540870656
violet scarab
@everyone We're LIVE with @ripe sphinx to go over all things VMware Cloud (VMC) in AWS, and how the integrations with FSx ONTAP are a game-changer, bringing Enterprise storage functionality to the cloud with VMware!
tranquil turtle
Hello Nick!
violet scarab
Hello Nick!
Hello! Thanks for joining us!
rancid lily
limit_value
lean pine
limit_value
That post is limiting.
violet scarab
<@&1132040288823689296> This week on NetApp ONAIR, we're joined by @silver roost, Principal Product Mgr @ AWS, to discuss FSx ONTAP. We'll take a look back at the last two years of the service, the current state of things, as well as some of the latest announcements revealed this summer and at the recent AWS Storage Day a couple of weeks ago!
Save your spot! > https://youtube.com/live/WWY1AZ7og1k
RSVP here > https://discord.com/events/855068651522490400/1145786617139822592
violet scarab
<@&1132043707093364919> The show is about to begin! Join us on YouTube/Twitch, or right here in Discord! Bring your questions, this is going to be a good one!
violet scarab
<@&1132043707093364919> Excited to be back with some all-new branding as we launch into the INSIGHT season, now just ONE MONTH away! Joining us this week is Geoffrey Tudor to go over all-things Google Cloud NetApp Volumes, recently announced at the Google Cloud NEXT event!
prisma shadow
Let's go!
violet scarab
As mentioned in the show today, here is my playlist of Google Cloud - CVS videos and demos of some of the biggest points. For reference, these were made in 2020, but not that much has changed from a functionality perspective. New/Updated videos coming soon!
The Part 7 video is where I demo the Dynamic Load Balancing I referenced on the show.
foggy matrix
Drew, Nick…were you guys hiding?!?
prisma shadow
^ 😎
violet scarab
<@&1132043707093364919> Back to our regularly scheduled program next week with a big one! https://discord.gg/NetApp?event=1169779927483166861
violet scarab
<@&1132043707093364919> The show is live and about to begin with returning special guest @halcyon forum to give us a deep dive on the latest and greatest in ONTAP 9.14! Join us on YouTube or Twitch, or watch along right here in Discord in #┊・onair-chat!
YouTube > https://youtube.com/live/i5KXOYZ4x1Q
Twitch > https://twitch.tv/netapp
Enjoy the show! 🤘
crisp glen
HAZA! TEAM TAGS!
Apply Policies based on tags!
or X based on Tags!
ALL THE TAGS
haha
unborn moon
Now I want to match a tag to an email address in OCUM for disk alerts...
paper gate
any chance 9.14 has dealloc for nvmeof?
stable oracle
Great session! Thanks!
stable oracle
@violet scarab also thanks for the question on ransomware protection policy updates! Would love to see those updated with a file or even better via feed
violet scarab
It was leading. I know we're working on it!
Exposing storage systems to be able to accomplish that is tricky. Delivering it in a similar way we do firmware updates is likely the best-case-scenario.
stable oracle
Certificate required. Or maybe AutoSupportActiveSync
rich scaffold
ONTAP 9.14 deepdive was great, as expected 🙂 Can't wait to upgrade🤩
violet scarab
Big thanks to @halcyon forum for a great session!
violet scarab
violet scarab
<@&1132043707093364919> We're about to get started with our continued coverage of the latest updates to ONTAP 9.14, with Scott Bell going over Auto-Partitioning of Spares! Join us here in Discord, or bring your questions to YouTube! https://youtube.com/live/NO2L4FNwSnM?feature=share
If you're watching here in Discord, be sure to "Join the Activity" so you can see the stream!
dire marsh
This intro music is 🔥🤙
dire marsh
I meant the shredding guitar before the Ducati bit started haha
stuck estuary
No APS on MetroCluster FC, MCC IP or both?
FC I get because Atto Bridges don't do partitions, but since MCC IP does support ADP, why not APS??
supple jolt
So that means ONTAP will partition the new disks BEFORE you add them to an existing aggr? So APS helps with getting partitioned spares?
supple jolt
While we're already here, what happend to RAID-EP / ZNS stuff? 👀
austere moon
does ontap support azure ad natively or Oauth?
digital turtle
Is Data Sense able to scan a Box.com instance without copying the data out of the Box environment? If so, will BlueXP retain its ability to tag/classify the content?
violet scarab
@austere moon throw this in #1062049169520476220 so the engineers can see it
@digital turtle throw this in #1062049057675169882 so the right engineers can see it
austere moon
@gritty cradle would you be able to help out with some flexgroup questions for cleveland clinic?
violet scarab
<@&1132043707093364919> We're LIVE and about to begin! Join Drew and I as we recap updates and changes from 2023, and give you a forward look into what 2024 has in-store for Discord and our greater NetApp community! Bring us your questions and feedback!
devout crypt
When I joined the watch party, I was hearing Nick's audio twice. How do you stop that?
Now I'm just watching on YouTube, which seems fine.
prisma shadow
I think I muted nick to prevent that
rigid narwhal
/r/NETAPP!
devout crypt
Ok, cool, I thought it was just me :).
silver swallow
Agree, that a regional user group would be a great option. And keep the technical discusiions, etc in english
stable oracle
crimson mesa
my favorite was the toaster pin 🙂
prisma shadow
Oooh I need to make that an emoji in here
rigid narwhal
my Daughter took my toaster pin.
violet scarab
Thanks everyone!
stable oracle
now if my SE/Sales team were on discord...
austere moon
@stable oracle if you picked logicalis your SA would be 😛
@stable oracle your former SE is here lolz 😛
austere moon
hey I'd love to work together again 🙂
violet scarab
I was very not nice to my AM back in the day. I once told him, "I don't wanna see you unless you're bringing me a polo or taking me out for a steak." We were so busy virtualizing everything back in that time. I didn't have time to sit and listen to "next version of ONTAP" slideshows.
We're still friends to this day, and still check in regularly
stable oracle
I was hard on @austere moon . I will say they were a superstar sales/SE team though.
austere moon
I was hard on <@1166553473299529799> . I will say they were a superstar sales/S...
Not nearly as hard as your counterpart 🙂
stable oracle
I haven't been getting any "here's what's new in Ontap" meetings like i did with @austere moon , so Discord/OnAir have been invaluable to me
violet scarab
Congratulations, Troy, you just made it onto my promo slide deck. Thank you! ❤️
silver swallow
Loved the badges yesterday. Had to look up mine. Different category.
rich scaffold
Those badges Look cool😎
bright marten
When will the NetApp on Air Episodes show up on youtube?
I'm in the CET Timezone, so watching at 10AM Pacific live is not really possible.
prisma shadow
prisma shadow
When will the NetApp on Air Episodes show up on youtube?
I'm in the CET Timezone...
They’re available as soon as the stream ends and you can find them at the link above.
bright marten
They’re available as soon as the stream ends and you can find them at the link a...
Thanks for the Link Drew, I searched on youtube and also checked the podcast list, but the recent one is not showing when searching and also not listed in the podcast list.
I must have overlooked the "Live" bar in the NetApp channel.
prisma shadow
Good catch - I just added last week's Community Updates episode to the Podcasts playlist.
violet scarab
<@&1132040288823689296> We're live with Ingo Fuchs to go over yesterday's big announcements! Join us live for a full rundown and live Q&A!
stable oracle
LETS GOOOOO!!!!!!
prisma shadow
Nick still gives me a hard time for exiting the beard competition
stable oracle
I had to start over
prisma shadow
But can DGX run Crysis?
Hanlon's razor-- Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
stable oracle
Snapcenter!
We're at 4.9 still
Shout out to the Storage Grid Support team. Those folks rock!
stable oracle
Thanks Ingo and Nick for another great session!
Thanks for hanging with me also Drew
prisma shadow
Same 🙂
stable oracle
LaBarba does it again
violet scarab
stable oracle
^^ "Megacable WiFi???"
So did I hear that right that you have Snapcenter content incoming?
violet scarab
Yes, we'll be doing a full deep dive episode on it Soon™️
Next week is Cloud Insights
stable oracle
We are just now in position to start using our grid and snapcenter build. So soon is good timing.
violet scarab
<@&1132040288823689296> Cloud Insights brings the power of observability, analytics, and insights to solve the most complex on-prem and cloud infrastructure problems at scale. Cloud Insights lets you monitor, troubleshoot, optimize, and secure your resources, unlocking the secrets hidden within.
So for this one, we're bringing in the big guns! @blissful knot is our resident Principal Technologist covering all-things-Insights to give us the latest & greatest, and maybe even break out a demo or two!
violet scarab
<@&1132040288823689296> We're LIVE with Miles Kniep to give us an intro/overview/demo of the latest with Cloud Insights for your complete observability solutions! Join us and bring your questions!
YouTube > https://youtube.com/live/fxUJqwwhOqg
Twitch > https://twitch.tv/netapp
prisma shadow
A little BTS for the Discord crowd
next swallow
Damn, sorry I missed this today. Meeting.
violet scarab
violet scarab
Damn, sorry I missed this today. Meeting.
Here is the ondemand replay!
stable oracle
I didn't want to miss.
limber quarry
haha is always the network xD haha
stable oracle
Finally getting to watch the ondemand replay!!
stable oracle
Nick is doing the NetApp Beard Tour
violet scarab
#LaBarba
violet scarab
<@&1132040288823689296> We're LIVE with @dapper bobcat to go over the latest announcements from NVIDIA GTC, and cover our validation of their NeMo microservices RAG solution with NetApp storage! Join us and bring your questions! Mike's bringing the demos!
YouTube > https://youtube.com/live/M2zOw3WCu2M
Twitch > https://twitch.tv/netapp
sinful gulch
I respect the hustle.
violet scarab
<@&1132040288823689296> We're live with Rich from 2GuysTek youtube channel to go over the current state of Virtualization in the Broadcom era, and discuss his recent reviews and comparisons of the various hypervisors available in the market. Come join us and bring your questions! https://youtube.com/live/FApFFOpUbKI
<@&1132043707093364919>
supple jolt
Waiiit, OnCommand Shift is back? 
violet scarab
Efforts are going into refreshing it, yes. No ETA currently.
stable oracle
Do you see NetApp (Switzerland) developing plugins/tools/snapcenter,etc. for other hypervisors?
I like the glowing rack, i need some of those in our datacenter
austere moon
Congratulations, Troy, you just made it onto my promo slide deck. Thank you! ❤️
Agree with @stable oracle Discord is one of the most valuable resources at NetApp...
prisma shadow
Agree with <@1037020558379978794> Discord is one of the most valuable resources ...
Are you trying to make the slide deck too? 😆
violet scarab
I like the glowing rack, i need some of those in our datacenter
I specifically wanted those, so when I saw one of them getting e-cycled I snatched it. Come to find out, you can get those light up panel assembly’s separately. I put a second one on the second cabinet myself for the matched pair
wintry ravine
what's up with this video quality?
glass trout
Oh good, it‘s not me..
edgy saffron
Haha. Looks like they don’t use their new high performance storage to stream this video
prisma shadow
... yeah sorry y'all
The live is much better
If there are questions for the guests - please ask on YouTube 🙂
wintry ravine
need to add subtitles as an option...
edgy saffron
And time to get to the questions if there are any. Why should you write them after all?
Would be nice to ask questions here as well as it was in the past
meager nacelle
Where is the live onair part? I missed the part of the last guest Keith Aasen.
meager nacelle
thanks!
prisma shadow
need to add subtitles as an option...
That’s good feedback. I’ll work on that for next time (among other things).
I’ll make sure the ones on YouTube are accurate when I get a chance.
wintry ravine
That’s good feedback. I’ll work on that for next time (among other things).
I’ll...
Thanks! I had to jump into a meeting but muted the stream. I wanted to see what was being said
violet scarab
<@&1132043707093364919> We're LIVE and about to dive deep into ONTAP 9.15 enhancements with our Principal Prod Mgr for ONTAP, @halcyon forum! Join us for live chat, or ask your questions here in Discord!
YouTube > https://youtube.com/live/Wl-G685qr1c
stable oracle
I wore my "I ❤️ ONTAP" hat to lunch today.
dire marsh
Hell of a monitor comparison 😄
stable oracle
how does QAT/non work with fabric pool?
lots of retrievals to reswizzle the compression?
prisma shadow
Hell of a monitor comparison 😄
I think it's a 43" screen 😎
We'll get that answered for you later, Troy
stable oracle
I think I know the answer 😉
violet scarab
I need to put that on a tshirt
thick halo
I will buy that one 🙂
prisma shadow
how does QAT/non work with fabric pool?
Answered ONAIR for ya, Troy
stable oracle
well done! thanks NetApp!
*auto accept interested in the next episode
Must Attend Insight!
next swallow
Great discussion today folks @violet scarab
violet scarab
Thanks Richard! @halcyon forum and I could go for hours so it's hard to dial it in to a single hour.
stable oracle
Then make it a 5hr mega special 😄
paper gate
does the current RC 9.15.1 have NVMeOF trim/unmap ?
violet scarab
does the current RC 9.15.1 have NVMeOF trim/unmap ?
@halcyon forum you wanna take that one?
old garnet
@stable oracle ONTAP is not going to recall all the tiered off data, but when it rehydrates it, it will get reformatted.
stable oracle
<@1037020558379978794> ONTAP is not going to recall all the tiered off data, but...
Yep. Thanks again!
violet scarab
<@&1132043707093364919> Thanks to everyone for joining us for today’s show! Obviously @halcyon forum joined us as our special guest today, but if you have further questions about the 9.15 release candidate, we’ve also got @old garnet and @ornate magnet here in the community, both overseeing various aspects of ONTAP products, features, and solutions. If you have any support questions around ONTAP, you can create a post in #1062049169520476220 support forum.
dark venture
this might be under NDA or future roadmaps.. but given the new hardware is a lot more powerful than before, is there a potential to bring the all the features of an ASA to regular ONTAP ?
violet scarab
this might be under NDA or future roadmaps.. but given the new hardware is a lot...
Any particular ASA-specific feature you’re looking for?
dark venture
The main one would be symmetric active-active multipathing.. having this ability in regular ONTAP and running SM-Active Sync is a very compelling solution
delicate berry
active-active on the ASA is using indirect I/O in the background. ALUA just advertises the paths as the active optimal paths, but in the backend we still need to traverse the cluster ports from the non-owning contoller and then traverse back to complete the I/O. Not every path is equal in this configuration, but from a host perspective it is.
odd pasture
Any particular ASA-specific feature you’re looking for?
I‘ve got one. The online migration of an SCSI lif works on the ASA but not on the regular ONTAP
violet scarab
<@&1132043707093364919> Yesterday's episode covering ONTAP 9.15 is now cleaned up and available for ondemand viewing and sharing, complete with reference chapter markers so you can skim and revisit areas you'd like to spend more time on! https://www.youtube.com/live/Wl-G685qr1c
delicate berry
I‘ve got one. The online migration of an SCSI lif works on the ASA but not on th...
That is a nice one. Failover of the LIFs. So many times I've worked with customers using iSCSI and their Server Admins have no idea how iSCSI actually works, let alone multipathing. So many just add targets and don't understand the sessions are they key. LIF failover is nice, instead of being blamed for an outage because the server guys didn't do their part correctly.
odd pasture
That is a nice one. Failover of the LIFs. So many times I've worked with custome...
PVR-73199 is open for that if you want to help 😊
meager nacelle
<@&1132043707093364919> Yesterday's episode covering ONTAP 9.15 is now cleaned u...
Regarding 'SnapMirror Active Sync' it would be nice to see how they managed to synchronize RW changes on both sites. I remember that there is an episode of 'WAFL' in the ' Tech ONTAP Podcast'.
https://soundcloud.com/techontap_podcast/episode-130-wafl-deep-dive
Would it be possible to do an episode related to WAFL and the new capabilities/changes?
violet scarab
Regarding 'SnapMirror Active Sync' it would be nice to see how they managed to s...
Totally! And @ornate magnet has hooked us up with his team, and we should be able to bring the SMEs on for SM-A/S very soon! Stay tuned!
violet scarab
<@&1132043707093364919> We're live and chatting with our special guest this week, Duncan Moore, VP of Object and StorageGRID at NetApp! Bring your questions! This is gonna be an awesome conversation!
YouTube > https://youtube.com/live/GhC7ollA3f0
prisma shadow
@stable oracle I know you've been waiting for this one
rich scaffold
my stream is lagging
prisma shadow
It's looking good on my 4 screens at home
rich scaffold
bee-related names or beer-related names?
prisma shadow
We should do a honey-lager
rich scaffold
just like mead, only for beer?
stable oracle
BEEr?
austere moon
since when was storage grid a secret...
GMAS told on it 😛
#AngelaCheng reasons
BTW I seeded @stable oracle grid...
😛
austere moon
far from BloNAS now
prisma shadow
We're going to have to get Duncan in Discord with us. If you want it on-screen, the best thing to do is to comment on youtube 🙂
(because I can't yet pop discord comments into the stream)
stable oracle
we need azure/aws SG nodes
stable oracle
Drew: HRCC discord does chat crossposting
prisma shadow
but streamyard doesn't like it
stable oracle
it gets messy
rich scaffold
out of curiosity: how big are the biggest storagegrids out there (capacity, node count or site count)
prisma shadow
I see you in the YT Comments, Olli 🙂
Starred it there for Duncan and Nick
rich scaffold
100PByte.... OK, we only have smalls grid 😆
prisma shadow
haha
prisma shadow
Between Two Hives!
rich scaffold
indeed!
violet scarab
<@&1132043707093364919> The one you've been waiting for is about to begin! Join us as we deep-dive into the new AFF A70, A90, and A1K with @halcyon pike and @fiery drum and go over all the gooey, geeky details! BRING YOUR QUESTIONS!
YouTube > https://youtube.com/live/-hK66I_hkrs
next swallow
👋
prisma shadow
Welcome Welcome
next swallow
I love the Twitch notification. Hey! Nick and Drew are on!
Much better 🤣 l thought it was my screen
stable oracle
definitely not a lights out datacenter
prisma shadow
Torch mode
stable oracle
oooh, look at that fancy background
prisma shadow
@rich scaffold 😆
stable oracle
shake and bake
prisma shadow
stable oracle
turned into heat
violet scarab
NOM NOM
prisma shadow
The Angel's Envy
next swallow
The *Angel's Envy*
That’s whiskey. Good whiskey.
NERD ALERT! A dilithum starship has a FINITE power supply. Not infinite.
stable oracle
i needed to see this A800 to A90 upgrade
has anyone ever done a live head upgrade demo at insight? or on youtube? 🙂
violet scarab
Challenge accepted
next swallow
Don’t let the magic smoke out.
stable oracle
the slot thing... ❤️
we had our 7mode gear in separte racks.
so HA traffic now goes through the cluster switches?
crimson mesa
for some platforms it always has
I'd be interested to know how that works with Compliant Switches (aka OpenNetwork) as that is not supported on the systems that have combined HA+Cluster network
stable oracle
that sort of opens my mind on a few configurations
prisma shadow
stable oracle
<insert picture of conference room table at netapp>
DOUBLE EVERYTHING!!! GIVE THEM MOAR!
my rotary engine doesn't like to run cold
or hot
crimson mesa
I don't get the "dual rack HA" thing... I mean, why? 🤷♂️
stable oracle
in the event an entire rack loses power
crimson mesa
then you still lose half of your disks?
crimson mesa
unless we get syncmirror-without-metrocluster back
but at that point... just buy a proper metrocluster? 🙂
prisma shadow
Here ya go @crimson mesa
crimson mesa
I thought local syncmirror was not supported
fiery drum
I thought local syncmirror was not supported
It is absolutely supported. You just have to have the drives correctly assign to Pool0 and Pool1 to do it.
fiery drum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noM_Q56kCR0
Grizzly battle tanks!
fiery drum
so HA traffic now goes through the cluster switches?
In a two-node switchless configuration, no. In a switched configuration, it absolutely can., but it depends on system model. Others like the A800 and A400 have their HA links isolated and don't run through a switch at all.....unless they're in a MetroCluster configuration.
supple jolt
It is absolutely supported. You just have to have the drives correctly assign t...
Huh, I was also under the impression of local Syncmirror not being supported anymore. Thought I read it somewhere but can't find it...
stable oracle
i just wanted ya'll to know i joined my cadence call with my netapp sales team and this ONAIR presentation on the new AFF series is exactly what they wanted to talk about 🙂
awesome presentation as always!
fiery drum
Huh, I was also under the impression of local Syncmirror not being supported any...
I setup local SyncMirror with an A250 in ONTAP 9.8 a few years back
fiery drum
awesome presentation as always!
This is awesome. Thanks for the feedback, Troy!
sinful gulch
i just wanted ya'll to know i joined my cadence call with my netapp sales team a...
Yeah same thing here. Good to see NetApp reps doing more than sales presentations.
next swallow
I love that I can make these “NetApp Day” streams again. 🤘
next swallow
It’s perfectly cromulent.
glass trout
vmware support for NFS over TLS would be great
prisma shadow
Ayeee you're already here 😎
glass trout
Of course I am
Please support more security features with fabric pool
Like cybervault etc
prisma shadow
I’m not real sure what’s going on here, but let’s keep things a bit more on topic, @tribal canyon
tribal canyon
What topic would that be?
prisma shadow
As stated in the channel description, discussions specific to episodes of NetApp ONAIR.
rigid narwhal
Would you like to play a nice game of chess?
violet scarab
<@&1132043707093364919> No episode of the show today, as NetApp observes Juneteenth. We'll be back next week with Rick Vanover from Veeam to give us all the latest updates from VeeamON, support for new hypervisors, and more!
RSVP! https://discord.com/events/855068651522490400/1246224081528029255
violet scarab
Heads-up for tomorrow's episode: We've had to shift the time forward a couple of hours due to some flight conflicts with the guest. We're still going forward with the show, and excited to have Rick come on and give us all the juicy gossip from VeeamON, but we'll go-live at Noon Pacific instead of our usual 10A Pacific timeslot.
violet scarab
<@&1132043707093364919> We're LIVE with Rickatron! Rick Vanover joins us to go over the Virtualization landscape, latest announcements and updates from VeeamON, and how Veeam & NetApp have been partners for more than a decade!
violet scarab
First new tshirt to make off the back of this episode:
"That's cute, but I want NetApp."
rigid narwhal
Let me pull out the Cricut
violet scarab
"Backup for Show, Recover for Dough."
violet scarab
<@&1132043707093364919> The show is about to begin! Join us here for live chat throughout our launch special event stream, or come live chat with others on YouTube!
We're excited to welcome Chuck Foley back to the show to give us a rundown of today's announcements, and a highly-technical walkthrough of how these can help you accelerate your AI/RAG and VMware workloads, whether in the cloud or on-prem!
glass trout
OK, I'm here, we can start
violet scarab
Phew!
rigid narwhal
I am trying to catch up with him before insight.
violet scarab
glass trout
regarding Classification, please bring back custom rules to core. Also a multi tenant support would be great
glass trout
why in the world would you use VMFS if NFS is right there?
supple jolt
NVMe over Fabric is a thing, NFS fought back with nconnect but for absolute performance (and lowest latency) you need block.
glass trout
OK, agree, but for everything mid range, large scale general VMware datastores, NFS is so convenient
violet scarab
#NAS4LIFE
rigid narwhal
Pretty sure that's Justin's licnese plate.
rigid narwhal
probably not, just being a smartass 🙂
crisp glen
NFS is convenient and maybe NFS 4.x helps with performance but VMW didn't seem to support 4.x for a lot of their features at least according to the docs
Had a lot of issues with performance
Going block would fix that
Kinda similar with iscsi unless you are also doing QoS on the network to ensure storage performance
Otherwise Netflix/YouTube slows down storage ..
lean pine
NFS is convenient and maybe NFS 4.x helps with performance but VMW didn't seem t...
No. NFSv4.x is NOT faster in any way/shape/form. It adds more features.
crisp glen
Was thinking about pNFS? Believe that was in NFS 4.1 but wasn't able to try that to see if that made any performance difference as VMware didn't support it.
lean pine
Was thinking about pNFS? Believe that was in NFS 4.1 but wasn't able to try that...
pNFS might be faster if you can properly take advantage of it, but most of the time that may not help since it's not usually used by workloads.
lean pine
For VMware
Not just VMware, but anything.
crisp glen
Not just VMware, but anything.
Right, I havent seen much if anything to support pNFS.
violet scarab
<@&1132043707093364919> No episode scheduled today, but I'm going to be visiting our RTP site next week and have something special in-store! More soon! Stay tuned!
modern forge
I used to use pNFS in a GridComputing environment. It worked nicely in that with all the hundreds of volumes that were accessed through only 8 mount points, it allowed every connection to go direct to the node the data was on.
lean pine
That's one of the few instances where pNFS makes sense, direct i/o.
dapper lance
violet scarab
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Watch/chat > https://youtube.com/live/J04ac5gjP5A
prisma shadow
violet scarab
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obtuse prawn
hi all
i have little problem maybe some 1 can help me i'am trying to update frimware of p420i raid controller but which is 7.0 to 7.0 (E) and give me this error Update not needed. All selected devices are already up-to-date.
ocean hull
We are looking to introduce Netapp San to our environment. A90's and here possible Insight might be releasing something new for this platform/protocol?
violet scarab
We are looking to introduce Netapp San to our environment. A90's and here possib...
Morning @obtuse prawn and @ocean hull! This is our channel for chatting about our show, NetApp ONAIR. You can post a question in our forum channels or the #┊・storage discussion channel to find some help. Thanks!
violet scarab
<@&1132043707093364919> Now that we're past our annual INSIGHT event, it's time to get ONAIR back up and running on a regular schedule again! One of the most recurring pieces of feedback I heard throughout the show from customers was that we needed to focus more on getting back to some 101 fundamentals, as they were new customers and couldn't find current content to learn how to run ONTAP.
So, we're fixing that, starting this week with SnapMirror and SnapVault, and bridging that into a conversation about the optional/additional DRaaS offerings within BlueXP.
RSVP > https://discord.com/events/855068651522490400/1300570743297413243
next swallow
Add history to that topic if you can a little bit. In this case, the transition of snapmirror types. It still trips some folks up.
supple jolt
Also don't forget vserver migrate, it's really underrated
violet scarab
Also don't forget vserver migrate, it's really underrated
SVM mobility is an upcoming episode on the list
rich scaffold
Did I mention that I want/need SVM Mobility in Metrocluster context?
supple jolt
You may not be disappointed 👀
rich scaffold
Oooooh, Tell me more😍
supple jolt
Can't. But not much longer
violet scarab
<@&1132043707093364919> We're LIVE and getting back to some ONTAP 101 fundamentals with Sr TME, @uncut dust! Join us for a fun hour as we introduce you to the history and current state of one of the most foundational pieces of technology with ONTAP.... SnapMirror!
Bring your questions to the chat and we'll answer them live!
prisma shadow
glass trout
Good to see some basics covered, no cloud AI buzzwords. Great episode!
uncut dust
Thanks to Nick and all of you who participated for allowing me to participate. Stay tuned...there is more to come!
supple jolt
Ah missed the livestream...
Whenever we're talking about snapmirror policies I'm always trying to wrap my head around why one would still use vault or async-mirror policy-types nowadays if there is the best of both worlds: mirror-vault (aka Unified Data Protection)
In my understanding you mostly can do everything vault does but also everything from async-mirror - or is there any clear disadvantage with the mirror-vault type I'm missing? @uncut dust
crimson mesa
Ah missed the livestream...
Whenever we're talking about snapmirror policies I'm...
I'm by no means a SnapMirror/SnapVault expert, but one difference is that mirror-vault always creates a snapshot before transfer while vault doesn't. So if you don't want/need that you would choose vault over mirror-vault
also, I think that mirror-vault always chooses snapshots by label while async-mirror just shoves over everything, so that might also be a difference (i.e. async-mirror is easier to configure if all you want is "all snapshots")
violet scarab
@old garnet can help here too
uncut dust
Ah missed the livestream...
Whenever we're talking about snapmirror policies I'm...
Anywhere you can use async-mirror you can use mirror-vault. There may be some cases where vault policy is required or where vault policy is not supported, but mirror-vault is.
uncut dust
I'm by no means a SnapMirror/SnapVault expert, but one difference is that mirror...
SnapMirror async - regardless of policy - still requires a complete baseline of the source volume...this is the context that is required for any snapshot. What a vault relationship does not do is give you access to that baseline to use as a R/O volume or to use as a DR failover. It is only to allow snapshots - which only contain the changes to the active volume file system.
uncut dust
also, I *think* that mirror-vault always chooses snapshots by label while async-...
Depends on the policy and the rules applied. async-mirror based policies can either replicate only the active file system OR ALL snapshots along with the mirror. No other rules are allowed. mirror-vault and vault relationships can have a set of "user-defined" snapshot replication rules that are label based so you can select which subset of source-side snapshots to replicate. When used in combination with a snapSHOT policy, you can replicate using snapMIRROR select snapshots based on a text label.
I think that Nick is keen on having us dig into this type of discussion in a future OnAir podcast...so stay tuned!
crimson mesa
SnapMirror async - regardless of policy - still requires a complete baseline of ...
I know that you always require a baseline. I was talking about the create-snapshot flag of the policy, which is fixed to either true (on async-mirror and mirror-vault) or false (on vault) and cannot be changed
crimson mesa
Depends on the policy and the rules applied. async-mirror based policies can ei...
The SnapMirror policy rule all_source_snapshots can only be added to a policy of type async-mirror not to mirror-vault type policies)
I know that you can build both types of scenarios (dp-mirror and vault) roughly equally with mirror-vault but the details are definitely different. As to whether these details matter in a particular scenario is another thing, I agree
uncut dust
Sorry...yes, for each subsequent scheduled replication...a source-side snapshot is not created for a pure vault relationship...it just copies the snapshots. Anything that has a "mirror" component, requires that snapshot to capture the updates to the active file syste.
To clarify for newer ONTAP users...On the source volume, that snapshot of the active file system will start with "snapmirror" and will be used to replicate the AFS changes. THis is what @crimson mesa was referring to. For example, in the image here, you can see the top two snapshots (red box) were created by SnapMirror and the other snapshots (hourly/daily, etc) (Green box) are created by the snapshot policy on the volume. SnapMirror will replicate only those snapshots that have a snapmirror-label (Blue box) that matches a policy rule in the SnapMirror policy.
I may want to keep my daily snapshots on the production system and not replicate, but may want to replicate only my weekly snapshots. We do this be creating a custom policy that has a rule that says replicate any snapshots with the "snapmirror-label" value containing "weekly".
crimson mesa
at first glance this all looks terribly complicated with the policies and labels and so on, but all you need to do really is read the man pages as they describe it in very much detail 👍
(I had to do that recently to prepare some slides for an internal training)
supple jolt
I can only think of two scenarios where using vault or async-mirror instead of mirror-vault might make sense:
For async-mirror: You want to make sure that each and every snapshots which exists on the source-vol (at the time of snapmirror update) will be replicated. You can't do that with mirror-vault. So if somebody for examples creates a manual snapshot and forgets to set the SM-label with mirror-vault this snapshot would not be replicated. With scheduled snapshots (or snapshots created by scripts/3rd-party backup) this wouldn't happen and you would always have your labels, so not sure how realistic this use-case is.
And for vault: On your source-vol you create a new snapshot every 1st of a month. For some reason unknown you schedule your snapmirror-updates to every 15th of a month. With the vault policy-type only these 1st-of-a-month snapshots will get replicated whereas with mirror-vault you would also get all the new data in the AFS which appears between 1st and 15th.
uncut dust
at first glance this all looks terribly complicated with the policies and labels...
Yes, with the massive flexibility, comes some level of complexity, BUT once you get the hang of it, it is very easy to manage.
uncut dust
I can only think of two scenarios where using vault or async-mirror instead of m...
Yes, but you have to make sure you use the right async-mirror policy. There are two...one that does not replicate the snapshots and one that does. An async-mirror relationships have either one rule (default) that is "sm_created" OR it can have two rules, "sm_created" and "all_source_snapshots". The latter two-rule async-mirror policy is called "MirrorAllSnapshots" or "DPDefault" and it is pre-made and ready to use. The former, single-rule policy is called "MirrorLatest".
uncut dust
I can only think of two scenarios where using vault or async-mirror instead of m...
Yes, the vault would only replicate those snapshots that you provided a policy rule to replicate. It would not replicate the AFS, and it would not replicate any source snapshots that do not match a policy rule.
BTW...the policies called "DPDefault" and "XDPDefault" allude to those two different replication engines we talked about for SnapMirror and SnapVault in the prehistoric era of NetApp 😉
supple jolt
Basically one could summarize:
- async-mirror MirrorLatest --> only AFS
- async-mirror MirrorAllSnapshots --> AFS plus all snapshots
- vault --> only preselected snapshots
- mirror-vault --> AFS plus preselected snapshots
crimson mesa
"AFS" in that case meaning "a snapshot of the AFS that is being created at the start of the update" 😉
supple jolt
While we most likely will still have all this "baggage" from prehistoric ONTAP-times during the next releases I think this could really be improved to make it simpler for newer ONTAP-folk. It's easier in System Manager but still.
If you would simply take this list and kind of ask the user "what do you want to replicate" and then let him chose by that list, I think most people would understand
crimson mesa
and "preselected" meaning "all snapshots that have labels that appear in one of the transfer policy's schedule's rules"
uncut dust
OnAir fam...I wanted to get back to you with the question about "why does SM use a 'pull' paradigm insteady of a 'push' for replication?" So, having a discussion with our SnapMirror development lead, he thinks of the methodology as actually a hybrid paradigm. The destination initiates the request, but the source actually pushes the data to the destination in response to that request. He states that the main reason for a destination driven request paradigm is to "...is that when source isn't available, we should ensure customers are able to convert the destination volume to read/write. In other words, the destination volume state is 'authoritative'". Basically we would not want to break the relationship from the source because then we could not covert the destination volume to R/W in that "break" process. By making dest the arbiter of SM relationship, the break command can be sure that it can do both...stop incoming replication events AND covert the volume to R/W. Don't get me wrong, there are still security benefits as well if you are in a secure destination environment, but the primary reason is as described above. I hope this helps!
violet scarab
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crimson mesa
OnAir fam...I wanted to get back to you with the question about "why does SM use...
I think there's actually a simpler explanation: Usually the person/admin in charge of backups wants to decide when to grab the data from which (source) system, to spread it out over the day etc, instead of every system's admin configuring their system to send backups at 1AM each day, easily overloading the destination
uncut dust
I think there's actually a simpler explanation: Usually the person/admin in char...
Typically, these backups are centrally managed or at least coordinated and the DR and production sites are usually within the same IT team's purview of ownership, so I don't see that happening as much, but it is possible that some may do this...not a design reason for the decision though.
crimson mesa
Typically, these backups are centrally managed or at least coordinated and the D...
you don't want to log in to 20 systems to re-schedule your backups. you want to do it all on one system (the destination). Analogous to how all "normal" backup software is configured on the backup server and not on each laptop/client that is being backed up.
Then again I'm not sure I follow the "arbiter" argument (you should always be able to break the relationship even if it was started from the source? in fact, some snapmirror relationship types are configured and started from the source)
anyway this is a bit too off-topic for this channel I guess 🙂
woven cedar
Howdy! I am starting this storage world of ONTAP and now that Snapmirror is on the table, I was digging a little bit about it and have some questions it may feed to the discuss (hope so xD). Trying to understand the failover part specially, when you break the relationship. Can I delete snapmirror snapshots during the relationship? Do I have to break it first? if I break it, how shall I restore the relationship? Do I have to reacreate it, new volumes, peering, IC lifs, etc..
uncut dust
Howdy! I am starting this storage world of ONTAP and now that Snapmirror is on t...
You don't indicate from which endpoint you wish to delete snapshots. For most sitautions, you don't have to or want to manually delete snapshots...you would manage them using the volume's snapshot policy for the source volume. For SnapMirror, you also use a policy to manage how snapshots are replicated and stored. A mirror policy can mirror all snapshots or none. If you mirror all, and you delete a source-side snapshot, it is removed from the DR cluster as well. The DR volume will reflect the same view of the volume as the source volume. If you are using a mirror-vault or vault policy, the snapshot view of the destination and the source can be different. In these policies, if you delete a source-side snapshot the destination volume will not necessarily delete that snapshot. In fact these vault policies are designed to allow you to keep many more snapshots on the destination than the source...that is why they are "vault" policies ;). You would typically use the SnapMirror policy to indicate how many historic snapshots you would keep on the destination. You can read more about policies and much more about how SnapMirror asynchronous works in TR-4015 (https://www.netapp.com/media/17229-tr4015.pdf)
violet scarab
<@&1132043707093364919> We'll be live today with @velvet sentinel going over the last and greatest in application protection with SnapCenter! Just like we did with SnapMirror last week, we'll go over some history, how we got here, and how the future is very bright given the latest updates!
Show starts at 10A PT, 1PM ET
young nest
@woven cedar if you deleted the snapmirror you can use the snapmirror resync command to bring it back. Snapmirror delete does the relationship delete then then you do snapmirror break to turn the volume from dp to rw.🙂 that's for sr scenario anyway
stable oracle
oh snap(center)
supple jolt
Who knows the oldest snap acronym?
I've started about the time SMVI got released
What was OnCommand Balance again?
violet scarab
the akkori acquisition in 2011
stable oracle
SQL admins gonna love this
I've tested SC5 out and haven't had to mess with RBAC yet, but this segment looks really nice.
stable oracle
Thanks for the session Nick, Drew, and Artie!
violet scarab
Anytime! Loved that one!
stable oracle
Yes and thanks for the reminder about the previous one on mirrors and vaults i missed. Gonna go back and watch that one RN.
violet scarab
Teaser.... NetApp ONAIR is now available (audio & video) on Spotify if you'd prefer to consume it that way over YouTube. We've got the latest few episodes loaded in, and will be backfilling the rest over time.
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Enjoy!
supple jolt
Lettzzgooo
supple jolt
Talking about bezels that light up, RGB4allthethings!
prisma shadow
Nice!
tribal bear
Very fancy!
violet scarab
Replay is available for anyone that may have missed today's expanded show covering all of the hardware enhancements announced today!
stable oracle
Nick: take a breath if you get a chance 🙂
violet scarab
<@&1132043707093364919> At the top of the hour, we're LIVE with @halcyon forum going through all the facets of ONTAP 9.16! Bring your questions!
Join us on YouTube > https://youtube.com/live/4-UBemSfxbo
violet scarab
Nick: take a breath if you get a chance 🙂
half bridge
rich scaffold
Hey Nick, Hey Keith,
I only have a short question on Data Mobility...
Could I use SVM migrate to move data from MCC to a normal HA pair and then from the HA pair to another MCC?
stable oracle
i had a manager that used to always say STRAP IN when he'd come out of his office with a new announcement
prisma shadow
Hey Nick, Hey Keith,
I only have a short question on Data Mobility...
Could I us...
If you can, ask that over in YouTube chat so we can pop it on screen later. I'll try to make sure Nick sees it here though.
rich scaffold
okay, thx