below-zero-chat

[broken badge]

BZ doesn’t always have the best, er, path finding lol

[placid narwhal]

yeah, radio was awesome

[green wadi]

Go back to the point and near by should be a cave like very close

And in that cave there is nicke ore get it u will need it

[broken badge]

Like for example the ||architect beacons|| many of them it looks like you have to go through solid rock to get to lol

[undone holly]

theres like slight crevases but no cave

I hate this game its making me so frustrated

the fact that they made oxygen impossible is so stupid

[placid narwhal]

It's easier with a vehicle

[undone holly]

I dont have one bro

[green wadi]

Yea it should be close to your base

[placid narwhal]

I would appreciate it if you don't address me as dude or bro.

[green wadi]

Very easy to spot

[undone holly]

ok

[placid narwhal]

Thanks!

[broken badge]

You should have a seatruck by the time you go to the lilypad area, which is where you’re at, tbh

[placid narwhal]

They have the MVB and Seatruck blueprints, but just got them

They haven't built it yet.

[broken badge]

Ahh ok

[placid narwhal]

I said they probably should.

For o2 and such.

They hadn't found all the MVB frags until recently

[broken badge]

Yes, because you’d like to have the depth upgrade as well if possible, to allow for even using the caves

With the seatruck I mean

[placid narwhal]

mhm

[broken badge]

Although it is a tight fit in some areas

[placid narwhal]

yeah, but just a cabin does ok

[broken badge]

The cabin is fine, with modules it’s more tricky

[undone holly]

FOUND IT FINALLY IT TOOK AN HOUR THANK YOU (I apreciate it so much guys you are the best, even if you might have confused me a little) it was fun

[placid narwhal]

you an always disconnect for the most part, and come back for them

Of course! Glad you found it!

[broken badge]

Those caves have a lot of good stuff in them, you’ll definitely want to come back and explore more when you have a seatruck

[undone holly]

Wait how did the crazy girl from degasi get here lmaoo

[placid narwhal]

She'll explain

[broken badge]

She has some tales to tell, eventually

[placid narwhal]

Feel free to DM me or something if you want more help (again, sorry for the confusion 😅 ), I might have to dip soon, getting late over here.

[broken badge]

Don’t miss picking up an important module from the floor after you go inside, it can be easy to miss

And as always scan everything

[placid narwhal]

And say hello to fuzzy guy for me!

[undone holly]

damn she did indeed build a bigger boat out of the sea monster's bones lol

[placid narwhal]

Alright, take care everyone! Glad you found what you were looking for Taco!

[green wadi]

Ngl Margaret is one of my fav characters from subnatica

[undone holly]

fr

[green wadi]

Hey on that cave there is a mineral call nickle ore get it u will need it

[broken badge]

I didn’t like her that much from Subnautica but she’s a hoot in BZ

[green wadi]

She is cool

[broken badge]

You don’t need to grab a lot just yet, but it’ll be there for when you have a base and seatruck to place it in

[undone holly]

what was it? the seatruck defence system?

[broken badge]

Yeah

Nickel isn’t hard to get in BZ, unlike Subnautica

[green wadi]

Yea true but is far a way from everything

[broken badge]

I have a base in lilypads

The map isn’t that big

[green wadi]

Yea I hate that place I get a way from it

[tawdry magnet]

ive barely played below zero

[green wadi]

First one is just better

I mean look how active subnatica chat is

[placid narwhal]

They're different games, I personally like the biomes in BZ more, but the story is better for SN

[fringe peak]

Jellyshroom caves

[placid narwhal]

It's cool, but there's more color in BZ, and diversity

[fringe peak]

Deep grand reef

[tawdry magnet]

i prefer bz i just havent really played it too much

[placid narwhal]

Also kinda monochrome

[fringe peak]

Mushroom forest

[placid narwhal]

don't get me wrong, those are amazing biomes, I just love BZ ones more

[tawdry magnet]

i havent beaten either of the games tbh

[placid narwhal]

Mushroom is a little bland sometimes, the gray floor is, meh

[tawdry magnet]

yea i feel like the first subnauticas floor is a bit bland 90% of the time

[placid narwhal]

That's part of the reason i like BZ's biomes more

[fringe peak]

Smaller map means more stuff on the ground

[placid narwhal]

yeah, it's cool.

[fringe peak]

Sometimes the emptiness works

Feels of dread

And those are the corners of the biomes

Or biome of mesa

[tawdry magnet]

idk i just feel like the same dull sandy color everywhere just really makes the biomes look empty

[fringe peak]

I know but some biomes do use it to there advantage

Aka the dunes

Picture quality isn’t best sorry

[golden pine]

that place looks familiar

[golden pine]

one time my game glitched and I was forever stuck without the best tool in all of bz... the ||seatruck defense module||

[grizzled ember]

why is lead the rarest material

how did i only just realise that the ||crystal caverns|| are right behind ||M's base||

i feel so stupid

[woven orchid]

theres no deposit, and galena outcrops doesnt usually drop them

also galena outcrops are only often found witin a certain depth

too deep and there wont be any, too shallow and there wont be any

[grizzled ember]

I have a scanner room that finds plenty of outcrops

Just annoying to go to them all

[tawdry magnet]

i can agree, but the void sounds more interesting

[wise onyx]

Indeed

BZ map just looks better and the creatures are cooler and everything

but normal subnautica is more nostalgic

how shall i say it

[eternal garnet]

I know what you mean. And the music hits you. Nostalgia

[distant fox]

Only real problem w below zero tbh is map size. Resources. Speed of swimming and most importantly i wish thw character would talk bit less like it still would but much less

Other than that all done perfectly

[eternal garnet]

I like it. Less long travel

And I think that's why the map is smaller

[distant fox]

Is good ye but tbh there is too little space to admire all biomes to fullest

Like biomes sould be 20-35% larger so there are more resources and such and is perfect

But ye your opinion is good too

[eternal garnet]

resources could respawn. Easy fix. (They don't)

[distant fox]

But ye w creatures and such it hits hard like an truck only 1 major thing my pc becomes deep fried on hig settings

It could do some optimising tbh like how things render but otherwise perfect

[distant fox]

Btw abt render i things fish behing you would still moove only they woulnt be rendered outside your fov

Not 360% but fov

That could prob solve preformance otherwide looks perfect

[eternal garnet]

This place is now out of bounds. Sad. Old story location

[distant fox]

Yup...

Fun fact w prawn you can go there i think

[eternal garnet]

yes

[distant fox]

Basicaly only how game renders things could be optimised so it decrerases preformance hit and is perfect and 25%larger biomes

But these things are miniscule

If u compare to looks alr

[eternal garnet]

so what you are saying is, new engine, why not Unreal 5

[distant fox]

Umreal 5 is fine only like i wish there was a way to optimize rendering or smthing so it doesnt have that much of preformance hit

[distant fox]

But prob only posible w new engine

[eternal garnet]

optimized rendering is where UE5 shines

[distant fox]

Fr?

[eternal garnet]

oh yes

render distance infinite, amazing detail

[distant fox]

Perfect i hope my i5 4th gen and gtx 1660super + 16gb ddr3 1600mhz ram can handle in subn2 hig seting then xD

[eternal garnet]

maybe not high, but it will be playable

[distant fox]

Yup

Well the pc can run normal subnautica on hig and bz on medium

Wellp if ue5 has that much of optimisations

._.

Wanted to post gif of mr burns saying exelent

[eternal garnet]

I saw it anyway

[distant fox]

Wellp

Even if my pc will fail still preordering subnautica 2 xD same as 2 before

The games too cool

[lethal minnow]

Where the heck are spiral plants I've spent like 3 hours looking for one

[placid narwhal]

You want an image?

[golden pine]

no spoil

hint

[lethal minnow]

Just a hint of the general area

[placid narwhal]

I'm just asking if they want an image of the plant to help them find it.

[placid narwhal]

||Purple Vents and Tree Spires|| have them

(Biome names)

[golden pine]

well that gives it away completely

[lethal minnow]

Isn't the purple one the place with the spooky red guy

[placid narwhal]

Yes

[lethal minnow]

Crap

[placid narwhal]

Also you can plant them in growbeds, they grow slowly but it's worth it.

[echo trail]

It's || deep purple vents anyways ||

[golden pine]

he's very kind

[lethal minnow]

Oh okay

[placid narwhal]

it still patrols nearby.

If you're fast, you can get to the area with them before it, and it's not an issue

If you have perimeter defense, then you're golden, but I assume you don't have that yet.

[lethal minnow]

I do not

Also is the prawn suit grabby arm hard to get

I already have the drill one

[placid narwhal]

The grapple?

[lethal minnow]

Yuh

[placid narwhal]

I don't think so.

It's where a lot of other frags are, so you'll be going there anyways.

[lethal minnow]

Oooooh I found a pretty purple cave place

[placid narwhal]

ooooh

[echo trail]

No I'm saying that's where the plant is

[placid narwhal]

Yeah I know.

[lethal minnow]

Uhhhhhh

Is the big guy nice

[placid narwhal]

If you have a vehicle you'll be fine, just make sure you repair if you get attacked.

[lethal minnow]

He is not nice I have discovered

He 1 shot me 😭😭😭😭

[echo trail]

He is 100 meters from my base

[lethal minnow]

I'm gonna try and stab em to death

[placid narwhal]

that will take a while

and probably lead to quite a few deaths.

I would not recommend it.

[lethal minnow]

But it would be silly

[placid narwhal]

It would be sad

large shrimp boi is just living their life

[teal bramble]

what do you guys do when you hear an ice worm emerging on the snowfox

cause i always get hit

[lethal minnow]

Kill it

[teal bramble]

that is not possible

[placid narwhal]

You can't, lol.

It's not a creature code-wise.

It's more of a hazard.

[lethal minnow]

Lock in then

[teal bramble]

the reaper killing flashbacks

[lethal minnow]

Where sleeper module I need jukebox

[placid narwhal]

You want the biome it's found in?

||Purple Vents||

[lethal minnow]

Why us everything I need in the mean red guy place 😭😭😭😭

[placid narwhal]

It doesn't need to be near them, it can just be in the biome.

[lethal minnow]

Ooh wait I found a fragment

[placid narwhal]

Also, if you have a vehicle, you should be fine, just repair if they attack you.

Awesome!

[lethal minnow]

He's right there 😭😭😭

[placid narwhal]

They're just frenly and living their life.

[twin cloud]

my game is stuck on the epilepsy warning can anyone help

[eternal garnet]

If you are stuck on the warning screen, remove folder BepinEx (meaning QmodManager). Or, update QmodManager and SMLH.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/848450/discussions/0/3486371787137159998/#c3486371787137326936

[carmine bobcat]

can anyone explain this creepy drawing i saw

more specifically the bottom left

[grizzled pelican]

how do i do this

[twilit spade]

I don't get it when people ask for what they should be doing at the slightest inconvenience

[lavish tendon]

Find the recipe, make two things

[grizzled pelican]

recipe for what

[grizzled ember]

Test module port has a recipe

You need to find it, the recipe contain a unique item you must scan 4 of first to craft the recipe

[astral lake]

Because they don't understand what to do?

It's very simple

[eternal garnet]

They assume game is meant to hold their hand

[astral lake]

Or they don't want to spend hours on end searching for an item they have no idea where to find

some people don't have that kind of time

[undone holly]

Guys will the mineral search thingy tell me of a mineral in the vecinity if its an outcrop?

[eternal garnet]

yes. you scan for the outcrop eg. Galena

[undone holly]

God I am so stupid lmap

Ty, which is the outcrop that drops gold again?

[eternal garnet]

I forget. Not argentite

Calaverite. that one

[undone holly]

ty

[undone holly]

yo guys where can I find silver? I am stuck because I need it

[placid narwhal]

In Argentite Outcrops and ore veins.

[undone holly]

yeah, but where can I find those?

[placid narwhal]

Twisty bridges is decent, thermal spires also works

you can also find them in large deposits, if you have the prawn drill arm

you can also get it in the rocks rock punchers leave behind.

[undone holly]

I havent even gotten the sea truck yet lmao

this is what I need the silver for

I saw a|| shadow leviathan ||lol

are they like the worst thing? Kinda like ||ghost leviathans|| in subnautica?

cuz they aint scary at all

well I know theres ||sea dragons|| but yk what I mean

[placid narwhal]

Yes, I think they're scary.

At least I did when I played the first time

Now I have a base under one and it's amazing

[undone holly]

I mean, I have no vehicle and I was about to drown and just went right next to it

[placid narwhal]

they glide over the glass dome

well, nothing to lose ig

[undone holly]

so it probably wasnt scary there, but if i go down there with a prawn or something (if I ever manage to get one) then i guess it will be terrifyingh

[placid narwhal]

Yeah, they're spooky

[crude marlin]

What i wouldnt give to be spooked by bz

[undone holly]

I guess it feels weird because I no longer have that crippling fear I had when I played subnautica

[undone holly]

exactly

[crude marlin]

Being scared to death was the best part

[undone holly]

fr

and having to hype yourself up for like 30 minutes because you were scared, seeing the scary monster, and then bullying it after you got used to it

Still though, I never truly conquered my fear over adult ghosties

[placid narwhal]

so true though

[crude marlin]

I did way too fast

Played 400 hours of various horror games and i havent been scared of either game since ❤️‍🩹

[grizzled ember]

Also am I tripping or didnt the ||crystal caves|| used to be ||blue||

[placid narwhal]

I think they were always purple since official release

[eternal garnet]

purple, yes. you are thinking of kyanite

[grizzled ember]

Nah I swear when the game was first in early access it was blue

Definitely not thinking of kyanite

[lament shell]

Where to get silver

[compact urchin]

made a base in the ||ice worm territory in creative mode||

[carmine bobcat]

just completed below zero i can honestly say that this game is mid compared to the original subnautica

[grizzled ember]

is there a warp for the ||phase gate|| if not where is it, i want to check it out in creative

[weary sundial]

Im preety sure that nobody liked BZ more than the original

[teal bramble]

i just had the most movie like escape from an ice worm

it started emerging on the edge of a cliff and i had to fly into the water on my snowfox as it emerged behind me

[steel stream]

I'm pretty sure at least someone did...actually remember someone saying it (but not who it was)

[bold monolith]

Multiple people have said preferring BZ over SN1. I think it's usually the opposite overall but still.

[teal bramble]

i can see why people would prefer it

it feels a bit more direct in termso of progression

[twilit spade]

Linear is what it feels like

[teal bramble]

is the lilypads a good base location

[steel shoal]

I do. For several reasons. The game is still great, and very different from SN.

[distant fox]

Yes

[teal bramble]

good cause im currently driving an entire base in the back of my seatruck there

oh um hi bud how ya doing

i forgot they spawn ther

[woven orchid]

Me (nobody knows me or asked for this)☝

[woven orchid]

Depends, its ||rich of mid game-end game resources|| but could also be dangerous considering ||there aint much energy sources and squidsharks||

Also the view is beautiful as hell

[teal bramble]

ill just use nuclear

[woven orchid]

So thats a great point

[woven orchid]

Then u should be good

[weary sundial]

😏👍

[woven orchid]

Its also kinda close to thermal spires and the purple vents so common resources shouldnt be a problem

[woven orchid]

It still feels more like a dlc more than an actual game compared to SN though, it lacks a lot of content

[teal bramble]

also i can regularly visit the chelicerates

[woven orchid]

Theyre beautiful creatures

My fav leviathan🙏

[teal bramble]

when im not being swallowed by one sure

[woven orchid]

Is it a good idea to put a nuclear reactor inside a room that i use as a bathroom

(Aesthetically wise)

[steel stream]

At least you have shower nearby in case of contamination when replacing rods😜

[teal bramble]

why no placey

i checked theres nothing in the way

[woven orchid]

Below zeros building is really wacky

Even if theres nothing in they way, it still wont build

[bold monolith]

It touches your Seatruck dock.

Here it was an example for the MP room but it's the same thing.

[teal bramble]

i see thanks

i just t put it in a different angle

[grizzled ember]

Now that I’ve finished the game I just realised I never crafted the flashlight because this game is too bright because of all the bioluminescence

[eternal garnet]

and also because of the seaglide light

[teal bramble]

can you attach an observatory to the control room

[eternal garnet]

probably, if not add a glass tube

[ionic haven]

me unable to explore at night because of my crippling fear of deep, dark water

[green anchor]

Bro I was trying to get to || void || in my seatruck and I got jumped by a normal chelicerate

[next current]

Chelicerates are scary. Don't underestimate them.

[green anchor]

Yo I'm in the void, I got jumped by a void chelicerate, and when I hopped out of my seatruck, it just phased out of existence...

I'm trying to use my seatruck as bait so I can scan this thing

Yo what I can't scan it?

[eternal garnet]

it's the same PDA entry as Chelicerate

[jolly nebula]

How deep can i actually go?

[eternal garnet]

8191 meters if you swim

[jolly nebula]

Aight

[grizzled ember]

30 damage :/

[tacit thorn]

do you happen to know what happens if you build a base piece at -8190 then add couple vertical connectors down, a ladder and walk down the ladder? Regular base walking, game crashes, or teleport to surface?

[eternal garnet]

I don't. I suspect, teleport

[grizzled pelican]

am i able to get in here

[eternal garnet]

no, this is an exit only. Opens from the other side. it's just a shortcut

[jolly nebula]

Ill see if i can test

[hollow pilot]

|| ||

[vernal cave]

So I accidentally built my base extremely close to a chelicerate

[fringe sluice]

rate the seamoth

[tacit tundra]

10/10, it's a seamoth

_>

[placid narwhal]

What's it called?

[next current]

Why is there a Seamoth in the BZ chat? >:( Banned! Banned! Banned!

[placid narwhal]

wait yeah what

[placid narwhal]

It's a time capsule image of SN1 obviously

hehehe

[golden pine]

why I do remember there being some "vegetable only" mode

not entirely sure if it's real, but I do remember seeing it

[placid narwhal]

There is a vegetarian only mode! It's pretty fun

I play most of my runs on it now.

[broken badge]

It makes getting water early a bit more challenging but it’s doable

I think you have to use creepvine iirc

Maybe it’s the seeds, I’ve not used that selection myself

[golden pine]

oh yea I just found it

I'll definitely try it out

maybe for hardcore

[tacit tundra]

I just finished BZ, my first play through.. I cant remember but how soon does Delta Base show up? You can get horseshoe nuts there IIRC and start to cultivate them (if you find the growing bed) Not very good for water but good enough until you find ||melons and/or Salad|| Dang, now I want to try a vegetarian run... lol

[next current]

Pretty early.

[tacit tundra]

But let's be real, even in Subnautica... every run turns into a vegetarian game 🤣

[next current]

You can't even consume bladderfish for oxygen in Vegetarian mode. :(

[tacit tundra]

Yeah but doesnt scanning them give you the emergency bladder?

Or what ever it's called..

It's only like... 20 units of air? or something slight?

[steel stream]

But if you play 'true vegan', you wouldn't kill bladderfish to craft an air bladder...

[next current]

Picking up an Bladderfish gives the Air Bladder recipe. And I think it's either 10 or 15. I can't remember.

[tacit tundra]

Oh, shoot. I only crafted one at the beginning of the game. I dont remember the recipe. And I dont think I ever crafted one in SN.

[next current]

The Air Bladder is so great.

[tacit tundra]

I carry an extra O2 tank. The bladder is a "holy crap, can I make it?!" if I cant rocket to the surface lmao

[golden pine]

but it's too much space?

[tacit tundra]

No? What do I need that space for when I'm exploring?

[golden pine]

collecting stuff on the way

carrying other items

[tacit tundra]

That's what my truck is for...

_>;

[golden pine]

when you're not using the truck

[tacit tundra]

But the truck goes everywhere...

[golden pine]

I wouldn't take my sea truck just to get some titanium

[tacit tundra]

The truck holds my mobile scanner base, also... mat farming isnt an issue, regardless of an extra O2 tank..

Different styles of playing the game, me thinks.

[vernal cave]

So I have an issue : my seatruck is stuck on an ice sheet and I haven't saved in over 2 hours, what do I do?

[golden pine]

mobile scanner?

[tacit tundra]

scanner room.

[next current]

Try pushing it.

[tacit tundra]

deconstruct it and stuff it in a locker.

[vernal cave]

I have, it... hasn't done much

[golden pine]

Insanity

[tacit tundra]

Proficiency 😉

[next current]

Got a Prawn Suit?

[golden pine]

we have that mineral collector thingy

[vernal cave]

I do have a prawn suit

[golden pine]

that's just a smaller scanner room!

[next current]

Try pushing with that.

[vernal cave]

Ok, I will head bacc to base and get dat

[placid narwhal]

Hey Slicey

[next current]

Hey, Opal.

[placid narwhal]

If you think of any fish puns, let minnow.

hehe

Me and Saturn actually went kinda crazy: #below-zero-chat message

[vernal cave]

That was easier than I thought

[next current]

You are banned from Sector Zero.

[placid narwhal]

[vernal cave]

And the crater

[next current]

Yay!

[placid narwhal]

noooooooo :(

[vernal cave]

I don't have to make a new seatrucc due to me being an idiot now

[next current]

The Prawn solves every problem.

[placid narwhal]

except the one of not having a squidshark fren 💔

[next current]

The Prawn can get you into the Deep Lilypad Caves where you can find the two Squidshark eggs.

[vernal cave]

The only two squidshark eggs on the map iirc

[next current]

True.

[vernal cave]

The fact there are less squidshark eggs in sector zero than cuddlefish eggs in the crater is quite surprising

[tacit tundra]

I wish they could fix the alien containment. The point of an aquarium is to showcase species at their respect depths.... Subnautica.. the lobsters are the only ones to respect this rule, for reason lol. And the squidsharks... they just swim in a weird corkscrew lmao.

I get they cant change the AI just for the alien containment but... lol

up and down up and down hehe

[next current]

I reckon it's just a development oversight.

[broken badge]

You can also find 2 other special eggs in deep lilypad caves

[teal bramble]

this building just doesnt want to work

[next current]

Is there something blocking the way?

[teal bramble]

nope

i put it somewhere else so it doesnt matter anyway

[next current]

Is there any partially constructed base pieces on/in your habitat?

[woven orchid]

is there an upgrade console in the moonpool/fabricators or wall module in the multipurpose room

[distant fox]

Deconstruct whole moonpool

Place path then moonpool again

[teal bramble]

yeah there was a fabricator i fised it

[distant fox]

Nice

I wish we could place bases on top of lilypads ._.

That would be epic. Modders note this and make it a reality xD (or subn bz update)

[next current]

You can tho.

[distant fox]

Rly?

Never worked for me...

[lavish tendon]

Do you know you can make a loop? With the containments...

[woven orchid]

a what

[distant fox]

Yup

[distant fox]

Circle

[civic forge]

The alterra logo looks a bit like the ice worm

[lavish tendon]

Try it out in a big big room (or three stacked)

[tacit tundra]

Have you ever been to an aquarium IRL? For the most part, the fishes and such stay at the depth they live at naturally.

[dense depot]

what could the chelicerate taste like?
shrimp? lobster?

[placid narwhal]

sadness :(

because you no longer have fren

[distant fox]

Yall i got an question how salty subnautica water is compared to our world sea?

[dense depot]

salty

[distant fox]

Bc prob not too much bc bladerfishes give drinkable water....

[eternal garnet]

how should we find this out

did you know, fish are less salty than sea water

[distant fox]

Subn staff ;)

[lavish tendon]

This is a video game... It's okay to not be 100% lifelike

[next current]

Well, the Water Filtration Machine produces salt. So that probably tells me that 4546B's oceans are pretty salty.

[heady barn]

how quickly they changed their tone after i made an example of one of them🔥

[eternal garnet]

well, that isn't why

related hint, what they give is only 50% random

more revealing: ||They can see your pinned recipes||

[heady barn]

does the bioreactor accept penglings

[eternal garnet]

yes, but don't post evidence here

[echo trail]

I assume too many people do that if they aren't told not to

[steel stream]

I have always thought that the water is sea water and the bladder of bladderfish is used as a filter membrane (although it would need to be some kind of molecular sieve to remove completely soluble salt from water...)

[tacit thorn]

In case somebody finds them annoying, there is a mod to stop them intercating with you, ever.

[crude marlin]

Whaaat No Way

Thats awesome

[eternal garnet]

way

[chrome cedar]

Not awesome. I love the free gifts, especially early game.

[compact marsh]

should i go to that island place

[eternal garnet]

delta, definitely. Phi is not an island in my book

[cloud wharf]

That's like a 50% salt 50% water ratio in sn oceans

Could've be so much better if sn oceans were freshwater ngl, like clear

Crystal clear

[vocal halo]

i think he is cute

[cloud wharf]

This is clearly not subnautica below zero

[steel stream]

Not really, because we don't know the actual amount of one salt deposit. Also, the filtration machine produces salt faster than water, so if you keep removing salt and water as they are produced, you end up with more salt than water bottles

[cloud wharf]

Still i feel like in subnautica there is bigger salt-water ratio than in real life sea

In side of salt of course

[next current]

@spiral jungle Please talk about BZ spoilers in here. And please spoiler them.

As for the answer to your question, she just does. It's one of BZ's plotholes.

[dense depot]

its bc shes amazing

[spiral jungle]

I’m sorry! I never played the game so I didn’t know any better but thank you for letting me know!

[spiral jungle]

||I wonder if they will ever clear that up in the new game, that would be very interesting :))||

[next current]

Considering that the next game won't be on Planet 4546B, I think that's the last time we'll see of her.

[spiral jungle]

Oh really?! Is it confirmed that we are no longer on the planet?

[next current]

Yeah. Some dev said it was on a different planet.

[crude marlin]

Well No, only if the mass of the water and salt are the same

[fervent cypress]

yall think in subnautica 2 theres gonna be talk about a woman who survived on an alien planet for years, defying all odds like "Farming alien plants is a proven survival strategy. Craig McGill survived 47 months on a healthy, raw salad of live tree-roaches and stankroot."

ahem ||marguerit maida||

[dense depot]

yes

[rigid token]

itd be cool if they did this with riley from the first subnautica

[fervent cypress]

true true

[tacit thorn]

Mind that we have no actaul data on size of the items. Its bottle of water vs small clump of salt, both conveniently taking one slot in inventory. Clump of salt, not a whole brick.

[fervent cypress]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGC2HxpjwSY

key point in this video:

if below zero came first, people would be praising it for its innovative take on the survival genre

but because subnautica set such a high benchmark, below zero was unable to reach it and is often viewed at as a pale failed imitation of the original game

@placid narwhal explain i wanna hear your take

[prime lantern]

We need a better ending I dont want BZ to be the ending

[placid narwhal]

Aside from the cheli, the design and implementation of the levis in BZ is more interesting, imo.

[prime lantern]

Map is sooo small

[placid narwhal]

I think the Sea drag in Sn is a good levi, while the ghosts and reapers are kinda mid

[fervent cypress]

below zero is beautiful and such, but thats just it

below zero is too perfect to be a real world

[placid narwhal]

I value beauty in a game.

[fervent cypress]

it feels too much like a video game, while subnautica feels like its actually breathing

[green wadi]

Bz is sooo good bur not near as good as subnatica and I think the main reason is because is not as unknown as the first one and the other main reason is that doesn’t feel as lonely as the first one and the main reason for me is that bz have a lot but a lot noises happening at the same ttime wich make it less scary and it has way more glitches but is a awesome game have beautiful biomes good monsters and the best thing Alan

[placid narwhal]

I disagree, we have tons of awesome things here on earth

[green wadi]

Yea

[placid narwhal]

I think the story is much better in SN

[green wadi]

Facts

[placid narwhal]

I agree with that for sure

[fervent cypress]

the video i posted above explains it very well

[placid narwhal]

But much of SN's ground is just sand or rock.

[prime lantern]

Crystal caves is beautiful but there is more beautiful biomes in SN

[placid narwhal]

And BZ carpets things very well.

[fervent cypress]

id go out of my way to say that the lack of a dunes biome in BZ is a big negative

[placid narwhal]

other than sparse arctic

[fervent cypress]

everything is too much like a movie

[placid narwhal]

I like it that way

[prime lantern]

We need better story cinematics in SN 2

[placid narwhal]

also, creatures have their own biomes

[green wadi]

True

[placid narwhal]

you don't see creatures in too many different biomes

[fervent cypress]

true true]

[placid narwhal]

some creatures in SN felt repetitive because they were everywhere

[fervent cypress]

though thats the same for SN

[placid narwhal]

bonesharks, sand sharks, etc.

[green wadi]

Can we all agree the biomes of bz are better than sn

[fervent cypress]

thats just because generally, BZ had a smaller map and less space to fill

[placid narwhal]

You usually get pretty unique creatures in BZ

[fervent cypress]

BZ's map was so small they purposefully made the seatruck slower than the seamoth to make the map feel bigger

but in my opinion, it just doesnt work

[green wadi]

Subnatica is not a big map

[prime lantern]

SN was good in exploring way BZ was good in story way. But we need to combibe them and make a mutant SN 2 with big map good story with high quality cinematics

[placid narwhal]

It's not way smaller, it's not enough for me to feel way worse. It's more cramped for sure, but the overall size doesn't feel way worse

[fervent cypress]

yet BZ's is smaller

[prime lantern]

Wayy smaller

[green wadi]

Well u have a point

[placid narwhal]

Not way smaller

[prime lantern]

Half of the map is Worlds edge biome lol

[fervent cypress]

80% cramped caves, which i personally disliked considering the only real mode of transport was a vehicle that only gets longer and longer

prawn suit isnt exactly a submarine, more of a suit

[placid narwhal]

Yeah, the seatruck never fit well into either cyclops or seamoth role. That's true

[fervent cypress]

that can go underwater

[green wadi]

But it has more land

[fervent cypress]

i actually really liked the arctic kelp forest

[prime lantern]

LR is the best biome in SN hiatory imo

[fervent cypress]

the yellow perfectly complimented the arctic

[fervent cypress]

sea treaders path for me

[green wadi]

But can we agree the ice worm is so bad

[fervent cypress]

leviathans instill fear and a sense of urgency

the ice worm makes you annoyed

[prime lantern]

I have been there once lol cuz there is Ghost near

[green wadi]

Yea that my pint

[fervent cypress]

i do not like the ice worm at all

[placid narwhal]

I did as well.

[fervent cypress]

😭

[prime lantern]

I did not even see ice worm in my gameplay

[placid narwhal]

I think the Ice Worm was cool, and a fun mechanic.

[green wadi]

Plus Sam story end is so bad ngl

[fervent cypress]

great concept, bad execution

[placid narwhal]

The story in SN was better imo.

I think it was fine.

[prime lantern]

It was a bug I guess

[fervent cypress]

if you beat the game, definitely a bug

ecause you have to pass through loads of ice worm event triggers

[green wadi]

And I hate how they waist Margaret so much last time u talk to her like 4 times

[prime lantern]

I beat it but never seen once

[green wadi]

And she is so cool

[fervent cypress]

i liked marguet's storyline

[placid narwhal]

The only thing is thumpers go through batteries way too fast

[fervent cypress]

but the main story was soooo booooriiingg to be honest

[placid narwhal]

I also enjoyed her story

[green wadi]

The snow fox is so bad is so glitched

[prime lantern]

Yea main story was boring

[fervent cypress]

sam and whatever the main characters name have as much depth as my morning pancakes

[green wadi]

I use ten pawn suit for there

[fervent cypress]

at the beginning of the game it tells you that sam dies due to her own ignorance

and you figure that that ||sam dies due to her own ignorance||

[green wadi]

Alan story is goted and good as

[fervent cypress]

she really ||blew herself up and got crushed by ice||

[prime lantern]

I have walked past the ice worm paths with prawn. It can be the problem 🙂

[green wadi]

Yea is so bad

[fervent cypress]

the story went out with a tiny sizzle, while Subnautica's went out with a huge bang

[fervent cypress]

ah probably

[green wadi]

And the only thing u do is ||cure the frozen leviathan||

[prime lantern]

We needed that leviathan to ve not frozen 😦

[green wadi]

Or when I go there is not there no more

That would be so cool

[prime lantern]

Yea

[placid narwhal]

This is certainly true.

[prime lantern]

I think we all will enjoy SN 2 cuz the Devs are listening our feedbacks

They understood tgat we want a game like SN again but better one

[green wadi]

Yea true plus the game looks so good plus is in a different planet so everything is gonna be so good

[prime lantern]

New recipes would ve good

[green wadi]

Yea they are for sure

[prime lantern]

New metariels

[green wadi]

Early access should come out this year

[prime lantern]

Yea we are so hyped

[placid narwhal]

That's not confirmed and unlikely.

I don't think so at least.

[green wadi]

Let’s hope

[placid narwhal]

or is it

idek anymore.

I've seen so many rumors at this point.

[prime lantern]

Will early access be free?

[placid narwhal]

It's a whole new game, I expect I'd take longer.

I don't think we know.

[prime lantern]

I did play any Early acess so Idk

[green wadi]

I will rather they take theyr time instead of another Cuperpunk

[prime lantern]

Yes its true

[green wadi]

I remember that game was so bad when came out naw is ok

[prime lantern]

Will early access be playable on ps5 too?

[placid narwhal]

Probably not, it's easier to upload and change things on Steam

[green wadi]

Yea

[prime lantern]

Does it usually have a price?

When its early access

[green wadi]

Idk

[prime lantern]

I wont be able to play both ways. My GPU sucks

I can only play in ps5

[green wadi]

Same 😭 I will get it for ps5

[prime lantern]

Long wait for us

Longer at least

[green wadi]

Yea probably like a year or two

My best friend have a pc and a good one so I may be able to play it

[prime lantern]

For how long Early access continues?

[prime lantern]

Cool

[green wadi]

Idk depends

[prime lantern]

Then u can play multiplayer together maybe

Idk about cross platform tho

[green wadi]

There is no multiplayer in subnatica 2 😣

[prime lantern]

No there will be as I know of

[placid narwhal]

There is multiplayer confirmed.

It will be single player focused though.

[green wadi]

Oh fr?

[placid narwhal]

Yes.

[green wadi]

That will be awesome

[placid narwhal]

Crossplatform is unlikely, it's a lot more work for the devs.

[prime lantern]

Yea they said that we will be able to explore deep sees together

[prime lantern]

Yea I agree

[placid narwhal]

The community really wanted it.

[green wadi]

I’m so happy rn

[prime lantern]

🙂

With some work u can play SN multiplayer too I think

[green wadi]

I will probably play by my self first and when I’m done with the story I will play with someone!

[green wadi]

Yea mods

[prime lantern]

They said that it will be replayable.

That is really interesting for a story based game

I cant wait to see

[green wadi]

It will be interesting

I wander how many people can u play at the same time

[placid narwhal]

I think that's the best way to go about it.

[dense depot]

can bz be played on a 2016 ps4? or will it burn my ps inside out

[green wadi]

I think u can let me check

[placid narwhal]

ps4 dies

[dense depot]

alr thx🙏

[green wadi]

Yea u can

[dense depot]

nice, im planning on buying it when I can

[green wadi]

But if u have a pc or PlayStation 5 I will recommend that instead

But do not get it for Nintendo switch is bad I got it because I could play it everywhere but is just bad

Game goes slow and looks like a Nintendo 64 game

[dense depot]

my pc is a laptop i3, basically. a potato, and I dont have a ps5😔

[green wadi]

Good luck solder

[dense depot]

thanks comrade

[compact urchin]

what do you guys do after ||playing the game?||
||all i do is just make silly bases in creative||

[fervent lichen]

Go kill every leviathan

||g||

|| if you get the defense on the seatruck you can spam it until they get stuck in a corner and then ram them to death 😭 pretty easy and not risky way||

[leaden sonnet]

where do i find lithium???

[fervent lichen]

You can get it near the vents

The purple vents right next to that one girls base

[leaden sonnet]

I set my base near twisty bridges

like really close

[fervent lichen]

It’s not far

[steel shoal]

You can find lithium in the Purple and Thermal vents biomes

[leaden sonnet]

where are those

im kinda new

[fervent lichen]

Just go to where the big blue guys are screaming at you (they are low risk)

[leaden sonnet]

i made sea truck

i crash them?

[steel shoal]

Hot places near Delta (directly south of lifepod)

[fervent lichen]

They got one shotted by sea truck

[steel shoal]

The game isn't about killing the wildlife

[leaden sonnet]

i already killed all the big crystosuchus guys near delta

[leaden sonnet]

it is to me

[fervent lichen]

The wild life that attacks you?

[fervent lichen]

Then you can go and grab it care free

[leaden sonnet]

ok

[steel shoal]

If you find enjoyment in that, somehow, good for you, I think

[fervent lichen]

Yeah the better option is to let them kill you

[steel shoal]

Or getting good. They're easy to dodge.

[fervent lichen]

I took my sea truck and killed every leviathan and then I put the eggs in the crystal place

They don’t one shot you and they all run away from one knife attack so getting good isn’t really an option because the game isn’t hard at all

It’s more fun to ram them to death with the sea truck and then put it into your log

[steel shoal]

You could pay attention to their movements and notice they can't make sharp turns.

[fervent lichen]

That’s more effort then just killing them

What the fun in hugging a wall hoping the shadow leviathan doesn’t see you?

[steel shoal]

I'm glad that the Lead Designer for SN2 agrees that sharks and leviathans should be invulnerable to damage...

[fervent lichen]

I’m glad the lead designer for sn2 is against people playing the game and having fun

[leaden sonnet]

might aswell give a base view

dang i dont have nitro

[steel shoal]

You can't really hide, but you can time your movements correctly to avoid it, since it has a set path.

[fervent lichen]

Why do you think sbz has a custom game and hardcore? If you want difficulty go play that instead of trying to ruin the fun for everybody else simply because YOU find it dumb

[steel shoal]

As I said above, it isn't the main point of the game, but if you find fun in that, go ahead.

Am I stopping you?

[fervent lichen]

No I am making a claim about your opinion and the lead devs

The story is no offense lacking anything fun and challenging so if I wanna kill a leviathan for fun I will

I find more fun with the penguin spy then I did scanning 3 fragments that you can get to without a single leviathan encounter

Well

[steel shoal]

Well, your opinion is valid. If killing the wildlife is more fun and effortless than avoiding them with the tools they provide you, then they need to make said tools more interesting.

[fervent lichen]

Besides the crystal one

That one was scary first time

[fervent lichen]

Mabye if the only weapon wasn’t a knife it would be fun

[steel shoal]

There won't be any weapons, that decision is final.

[fervent lichen]

And thats why the only thing going for the game is nostalgia and multiplayer

[steel shoal]

As Anthony said, what's the point of dodging a shark if you can punch it? What's the point of sneaking past if you can ram the leviathans?

[fervent lichen]

The point is having fun

What’s the point of fighting a boss in a game if you can just run right past it and skip it?

[steel shoal]

Maybe you're not the target audience. They mentioned that they didn't want to make any weapons, to any of the games. They still added the gas torpedoes, but that's the only exception.

[fervent lichen]

No weapons would be fine if they actually make it scary

[leaden sonnet]

My BZ base rate 1 - 10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPKwpUC1MuI

[steel shoal]

Weapons were not included for a reason

[placid narwhal]

There are reasons why weapons are not included.

[fervent lichen]

Reaper leviathans were terrifying the first playthrough but my first below zero playthrough it was just funny to look at them

[leaden sonnet]

Why would you try to kill a reaper with a knife

[fervent lichen]

What else is there to do

[leaden sonnet]

contain it?

[fervent lichen]

Like?

[leaden sonnet]

idk maybe like tame it i think thats an ingame thing

[steel shoal]

It's not

[fervent lichen]

Make it follow you close to spawn is pretty fun

[steel shoal]

It's because of the sandy hooks shooting, among other things.

[leaden sonnet]

challenge: get chased by a reaper for 10 m and survive

[steel shoal]

They wanted to make a game without weapons

[leaden sonnet]

aww i wanted a pet glow whale 😦

[fervent lichen]

So they want to remove weapons because of shootings? No disrespect but that is a weird reason to remove weapons from an alien planet game

[steel shoal]

Hatch one

[leaden sonnet]

how

wait i have an idea

what if i summon a glow whale inside my base

[steel shoal]

Find an egg and drop it in an Alien Containment Unit

[leaden sonnet]

can i contain it

[fervent lichen]

If they wanna make it boring so be it

[steel shoal]

It's a valid reason.

[placid narwhal]

It's a serious subject, I'll leave it at that

[fervent lichen]

I just don’t get it

[steel shoal]

You are not the target audience. The game is not a shooter, weapons and violence are not mandatory for a fun experience.

[fervent lichen]

So having a weapon like a stasis rifle is the same as call of duty?

By weapons I didn’t mean an ak-47 that makes blood and gore

[steel shoal]

Stasis Rifle got removed for many reasons. It's not a weapon, though.

[placid narwhal]

It's a utility tool.

[fervent lichen]

That freezes stuff? I’m calling it a weapon

[steel shoal]

I could call it a car, and we would be equally correct.

[leaden sonnet]

Wait, can ramming into a squidshark kill it?

[fervent lichen]

The thing that makes an open world game fun is the creativity? If you remove all that and make it just some lame storyline then you’re going to have a lame game

[leaden sonnet]

Because if so im going on a rampage

[fervent lichen]

Unless they call jack again to play the game good luck

[fervent lichen]

You can but they disable your seatruck for a little bit

[leaden sonnet]

nvm

[steel shoal]

Creativity is not necessarily weapons and killing the fish

[fervent lichen]

But it’s part of it

What you find fun is subjective

Once I beat the game and there’s nothing to do I like to build a big base and go kill the leviathans

[steel shoal]

Correct. They tried to make killing leviathans as least fun as possible, but it's clear they failed.

[fervent lichen]

And people had fun? Why remove it

You struggle with the reaper the leviathan and finally are able to kill it

You’re going to be happy

Imagine if Minecraft removed all the weapons and you had to dodge all the zombies

[steel shoal]

Minecraft has a complex combat system on purpose. Subnautica is not combat based, as any "fights" are comparable to sharking.

[fervent lichen]

How is the combat system complex

[steel shoal]

Maybe hitting with a sword is simple, but there's a lot more depth to it.

[fervent lichen]

Depth how?

Complex and minecraft (unless redstone) should not be in the same sentence

[steel shoal]

Technoblade used to make videos about it. But it's already going off-topic.

[fervent lichen]

What that if you hit when they’re above you then you get an advantage?

[steel shoal]

There are timings, ranges, combos with multiple tools, potions, etc

[fervent lichen]

Technoblade described it in the free drawing app that your computer gives you in 30 seconds

None of its complex it’s just that you’re watching literally the best Minecraft pvper

[steel shoal]

Sure.

[fervent lichen]

If you find Minecraft complex idk what to tell you

Besides redstone

[steel shoal]

No bother explaining it further, then. If you find it fun, good for you. Don't be surprised if SN2 goes a different direction.

[fervent lichen]

Well it’s a different game it probably will

My whole argument is getting rid of stuff for the purpose of “you can dodge it” is not a good argument

[steel shoal]

You should watch the dev vlogs from SN1 development.

[fervent lichen]

Don’t worry I don’t think subnautica was some 10/10 BEST game out there that deserved 1000 Grammys

Once you’re not scared of the leviathans it just gets boring specially in bz because all you can do is ram your seatruck

[steel shoal]

You can do a lot of things.

[fervent lichen]

Like what build a base? Listen to a 20 second voice log

If they actually make the game scary and good looking then no weapons isn’t a main concern of mine

Obviously it’s my opinion

But we can all agree the bz leviathans look stupid af

[tulip prawn]

nah

[steel shoal]

We can't.

[fervent lichen]

Entire community calls it a “shrimp” 😭

Majority then*

[steel shoal]

It's red and has a segmented exoskeleton. I guess it's expected.

[fervent lichen]

🦐 looks exactly like this but with spines

🍤

[steel shoal]

But tons of people still love it quite a lot

[fervent lichen]

🐜 here’s the shadow leviathan

[tulip prawn]

i think the bz leviathans look pretty cool, they are wacky and not anything like real creatures but thats the same with sn1

[fervent lichen]

I liked the shadow leviathan but that’s about it

Ice worms were pretty cool too

[tulip prawn]

i think id like the leviathans in bz if they were situated better

especially shadow leviathan, i know this point has been made a lot but the place its in is very cramped

[fervent lichen]

I literally got through the entire game with a single shrimp encounter and like 2 shadow leviathans

[fervent lichen]

It would be cool if the crystal caves were bigger and it snuck up on you

[steel shoal]

I like BZ designs better since they're more coherent. Reapers are designed differently from all other creatures, because they were made by a different person, and it shows.

[tulip prawn]

yeah definitely

my favourite thing about below zero is the lilypad biome it just looks really nice

[steel shoal]

The only thing I didn't like about the BZ map was the names. Did we really need 3 Spires biomes?

[tulip prawn]

yeah especially when two are right next to eachother

and painfully shallow especially when navigtating with a seatruck

[fervent lichen]

Well mabye if the map wasn’t the size of your hand

[steel shoal]

Smaller map is a feature.

You'd hate it if it was the size of the first game.

[fervent lichen]

Depends on how they would of made it

[steel shoal]

BZ is a story-based game, it requires you moving back and forth multiple times. A smaller map makes it faster and easier.

[fervent lichen]

So now we are just developing games to be quick and easy

[steel shoal]

SN was more about exploration than story, so the bigger map is welcome.

[steel shoal]

They made it less annoying, you're welcome.

[fervent lichen]

The map doesn’t need to be small just because there’s a story? If you want to make it smaller to make traveling quicker then just put the places closer to eachother and add more stuff in other areas

You don’t need to cram everything into eachother just because there’s a story

[tulip prawn]

i did like the change of environment and size in comparison to sn1 for below zero, but i do hope sn2 goes more in the size of the original game, i think both types of map work for different reasons

i think sn1 is just more widely liked

[fervent lichen]

It is

I like traveling more then 100m and it not being the dead zone

[steel shoal]

BZ unfortunately missed the first impressions. People still hate on it for things that have been changed/removed, or even make up stuff.

[steel shoal]

Obraxis mentioned the map in Early Access will likely be smaller than we hope, but they intend on expanding it, larger and deeper than SN1.

[fervent lichen]

Yeah I love scanning 3 things and then crafting it with easily found materials then being done with the game

[tulip prawn]

yeah, some parts do still feel unfinished, mainly the glacial bay and around that area, but its understandable due to the amount of changes that went through while in development

[tulip prawn]

thatll be good imo gives the community time for feedback

[steel shoal]

You're oversimplifying the game. I wouldn't be surprised if you missed/misunderstood major parts of the story.

[fervent lichen]

What alens backstory?

[steel shoal]

You've shown that you don't care about the game's main features.

[fervent lichen]

Ive already done literally everything you can possibly do in the game because like I said you scan 3 thing and craft them then you’re done

The map is super small with no fear factor and once you get the seatruck you’re invincible

[steel shoal]

Wow. SN is so much different.

[fervent lichen]

Didn’t say it was different

[proud bear]

jsut finished playin bz, what do i play next>?

[fervent lichen]

It has a fear factor and the maps bigger but I’m not saying bz was some HORRIBLE game

I actually liked bz more lol

You don’t need to hate a games soul to point out what you don’t like

[steel shoal]

I know. It's a single player game, of course there's a point when you run out of things to do.

[proud bear]

quality of life: BZ
everyting else: SB

[fervent lichen]

And that point is INSANLEY quick

[steel shoal]

I liked the OST of BZ a lot.

[steel shoal]

Uninstall game, wait until you forget, install again.

[distant fox]

Perfect example tbh i wish normal sb would get the decorations from bz too like walpapers and such even buildable stuff

[fervent lichen]

That’s what I had to do with elden ring

[tulip prawn]

that about sums it up lol, i liked base building in bz more than sn1

[distant fox]

But not hating on game bz is actualy atleast for me better than sb prob bc i never 100% completed the game....

Sb that

[steel shoal]

In terms of design, from music, to sound (some exceptions, especially volume) , voice, 3D modelling, and even art direction, BZ shows a big leap in quality. But of course, it's not perfect on all fronts.

[fervent lichen]

At this point s2 will just be a kids game

No scary things no weapons no fun storyline just grind and beat the game

[steel shoal]

Sure. Subnautica is PG-7.

[distant fox]

S2 will be EPIC tbh i cant wait for it preordering the day comes ouz

[fervent lichen]

And it was fun for everybody

[steel shoal]

Again, weapons are not mandatory.

[tulip prawn]

i do think the health of seatruck shouldve been more like seamoth health, feels a little strong

[fervent lichen]

And transportation isn’t mandatory?

Bases aren’t mandatory

[tulip prawn]

why do people want weapons in subnautica

[fervent lichen]

Add the sea glide and a floating locker and call it a day

[tulip prawn]

its not a shooter game

or a fighting game

[fervent lichen]

Well you guys think weapons means fps

Weapon does not = gun

[steel shoal]

What is your point? The game can be fun without combat.

[fervent lichen]

Knife, hook, spear, and so many other things but torpedos is ok

[tulip prawn]

yeah but a weapon sort of defeats the purpose even more, people want to game to be scary, if you have a weapon a lot of that fades if you can fight back

[fervent lichen]

Ever played resident evil?

[steel shoal]

Resident Evil has nothing to do with Subnautica

[fervent lichen]

You can make a game scary while adding combat

[proud bear]

BZ was good tbh,

but i was just dissapointed at some stuf,

why?

i expected that those underground alien structures have big interiors and designed like the original one.

but what did I get?
a small empty room with ||al-an's organs|| and thats it, no gates, no portals, no cubes, no interesting stuff.

just ||al-an's organs||

[tulip prawn]

your comparing resident evil to subnautica 🗿

[fervent lichen]

Did you not even read what you said

[steel shoal]

You're making an effort to miss the point. SN is fun without combat. That requires not having weapons.

[tulip prawn]

yeah

[fervent lichen]

Yeah and it also is fun with weapons

Killing the shadow leviathan after dying to it a bunch is fun

[distant fox]

Only thing bz lacks prob is no statis

[fervent lichen]

The game doesn’t just automatically become scary cause you can’t use a weapon

It’s not just automatically a better storyline and automatically a better map because weapons are removed

[proud bear]

is bz and sb the same size? (map)

[steel shoal]

Stasis Rifle was very unhealthy to the player, it was removed for good reasons. It instantly removed the sense of fear and danger.

[fervent lichen]

No

[distant fox]

True....

[steel shoal]

BZ is purposely smaller since you have to move around a lot more.

[proud bear]

which was bigger in terms of distance not depth

[tulip prawn]

yeah i specifically play without stasis

[distant fox]

Btw what yall think abt this?

[fervent lichen]

I’m confused

[tulip prawn]

same 😭

[proud bear]

??

[steel shoal]

SN was larger and deeper

[tulip prawn]

do you mean progression of depth speeds up once you get a vehicle like sn1? and early game starts quite slow? @distant fox

[fervent lichen]

That’s the exact same effect as the perimeter defense

[tulip prawn]

yeah, i think everything is better if you look at below zero as a more experimental spin-off from subnautica by the devs

[distant fox]

Meant like at the start things are schatered too much.... And w that u literary dont know what to do where and u basicaly bit soft locked if you dont know the game and dont know all mechanics

[fervent lichen]

I saw a comment saying it was more like a dlc then another game

[tulip prawn]

oh yeah

[tulip prawn]

yeah, not to be that person but it did originally start as a dlc

not excusing it of its flaws because of that though

[fervent lichen]

Well I’m not gonna sit here and act like I was with bz during development

I watched jacksepticeye play sb and that was about it and then played bz way after release

Sn

However yall say it as

[steel shoal]

Many people make the mistake of expecting SN2 out of BZ. The game is purposely different. It eventually got closer and closer to SN as development went on as fans didn't like change and innovation.

[tulip prawn]

i finished sn1 a day before subnautica below zero went for the full release, i didnt even know much about subnautica is was just a game i picked up

[fervent lichen]

I watched it when I was a kid and had nothing else to do besides fortnite

[steel shoal]

It shows.

[fervent lichen]

Yeah and I’m speaking about my own opinion

My opinion is if you’re going to make an open world game you should let people do what they want if they wanna break the game and be broken then let them

That’s why i like the people who made doom

If you don’t like the stasis rifle then don’t use it

[steel shoal]

You take your opinion as facts and exaggerate a lot. No weapons doesn't mean no fun. If you think avoiding leviathans isn't fun, then stay around for SN2 Early Access and express your feelings. They obviously want the game to be fun, but don't want to encourage sharking.

[tulip prawn]

agreed, i think people are worrying about how sn2 will go from bz not subnautica, i believe that with their improved teams and studio, and the fact they are a studio that actually listens to the community that sn2 will be a great game, the graphics and world design is already coming out as looking really nice

[fervent lichen]

I said you can HAVE weapons

Nowhere did I say you should be forced to use them

[steel shoal]

They don't want weapons, and that is final.

[distant fox]

Tbh what i like from subnautica is open cutscene where players can do whatever they want it gives the imersion like you are truly the one stuck... But bz breaks that w the character nonstop talking and it feels like you are only on control of its body and is not actualy you/player

[fervent lichen]

And I have no say in that? I’m just speaking MY OPINION

[steel shoal]

BZ is a story-based game, not an exploration sim like SN.

I wish Robin spoke more, honestly. The game gets really quiet sometimes, and we don't learn that much about her.

[fervent lichen]

Oh no you killed a alien that’s attacking you that’s so brutal and clearly means the game is now a first person shooter combat game

[distant fox]

Not saying is bad only 25% less talking and is perfect. Also that we could interact w those cutscenes and it would be perfect

[steel shoal]

Oh no you can't kill a shark that's in your way, the game is for kids and not fun, all it has going for it now is nostalgia and multi-player

[distant fox]

U youst wana do something and then all of a suden when u wanted peace she starts talking but not saying is bad only at bad times

[fervent lichen]

And it’s true when you remove creativity from an open world game

[tulip prawn]

yeah i sort of hope theres no talking character, I liked sn1 where i felt like the player surviving in the world, whereas in bz it gets broken by the character talking, some parts of it did add to the story, however sometimes it was unnecessary
however it is a spin-off which is good for sn2 as they will most likely learn from it

[fervent lichen]

You think weapons means cod

[distant fox]

Tbh if it was a mix of 2 it would be perfect like 10% of talking of characther 90% not talking

[fervent lichen]

When I say killing a leviathan I don’t mean skinning it alive and letting it bleed out all over your screen like family guy

You kill the leviathan and it just quits moving and sinks that’s it

[steel shoal]

Weapons means combat, be it guns, cqc weapons, fist fighting, whatever.

[tulip prawn]

yeah, like when you discovered alien places (if there are those) and they talked thatd be fine, but not just random parts throughout the gameplay

bz was a good follow up 'dlc'/game for subnautica, thats probably why its a bit more story focused

[fervent lichen]

Then why don’t you just play in creative

[distant fox]

Exactly

[fervent lichen]

Like I said if you want the game harder make it harder on yourself

Kids aren’t gonna want to anayluze the every move of a leviathan and move around corners like a fortnite sweat

Unless you add builds to s2

Crank 90s on a reaper

[tulip prawn]

@fervent lichen not in a criticizing way but what do you think a sort of weapon would be for subnautica

[steel shoal]

In SN, we're a nobody, it makes it feel like we're the ones stranded. In BZ, you're not Robin, you're controlling Robin. She's a full character with her own objectives, and you help her achieve that. You're no longer the one getting stranded. It's not a sim anymore. A design choice, not a flaw.

[distant fox]

Imagine there will be slider dificutly xD like how enemyes path find u and such

[fervent lichen]

I already said like spear to throw if you’re above land (obviously idk what’s gonna be in s2)

Instead of just only a knife for everything in the game

[tulip prawn]

yeah, i understand that, i think its just the public appeal, and the subnautica fanbase, the game was a good game, i understand its a design choice im just commenting on what subnautica 2 could be like from combining the dialogue choices and paths from both prequels to it

[steel shoal]

Making a tool that has the purpose of killing animals and nothing else goes against the design philosophy of the games. Again, you should watch the dev vlogs from SN1 development. You are missing the point.

[fervent lichen]

You are trying to say “killing animals” to exaggerate what I’m saying

You’re trying to make my argument into some slaughter house brutal murder allowing game

[steel shoal]

BZ was the story-based spinoff, I'm certain SN2 will be closer to SN

[fervent lichen]

And s1 is a different game? I’m saying what I would like

I’m gonna play it either way

Dam bot

[distant fox]

Bruh

[fervent lichen]

Just almost fell out my chair leaning 😭

[distant fox]

All i wanted to do is post a gif....

[steel shoal]

Whatever you say.

[distant fox]

Uff

I hope the new planet will still be mostly ocean....

[steel shoal]

It's Subnautica, after all.

[tulip prawn]

i think i see what you mean, fighting back against a creature like a snowstalker or something would be good, but i feel like having it be inneffective against underwater creatures or leviathans, or decreased efficiency/damage underwater would be good. I believe the point of being underwater is restriction to defend yourself as humans are land dwellers and being in water is out of environment

[tulip prawn]

yup, to be clear I honestly like what they did with bz, with it combined with sn1 i believe it can make for a awesome sn2

[fervent lichen]

Yeah exactly like I don’t mean add a weapon that insta kills the entire map like /kill @e

[distant fox]

Like land expo to extent of bz is not the type of sb atleast so i think but it adds detail only mechanics aint made for land

[tulip prawn]

yeah i get what you mean now lol, I was thinking you more meant a energy based weapon like a propolsion cannon or a stasis rifle that does damage

[steel shoal]

Yes, but I don't think it fits the Subnautica franchise in specific. You'll be able to defend yourself, but not start the attacks. You have a place in the food chain, and it's not at the top. Unfortunately, people still abuse damage stats to get up there.

[fervent lichen]

Like a weapon that helps or something instead of just a knife and then a broken stasis rifle or perimeter defense

Literally you are invincible with those

[tulip prawn]

yeah having your place in the food chain

[fervent lichen]

I’m going hand to hand with snowstalkers in bz

Fist fighting them basically

[distant fox]

BTW i got an real question anny1 ever used in the game pathfinding tool?

[steel shoal]

It's really useful in wrecks. They glow quite a lot. In SN1, it's even better, as the wrecks are darker.

[broken badge]

I’ve used it in Subnautica

[fervent lichen]

My point is you should have the option for example to use the flare to avoid snowstalkers and avoid them but you should also have the option to defend yourself

You get what I’m tryna say

[tulip prawn]

agreed, i like that there was no sonar in bz, it removed a lot of the worry and fear for me once i got it in subnautica. Same for perimeter defense especially against ||shadow leviathans||, you can literally take no damage if you time it right

[distant fox]

Yous use a prawn....

[tulip prawn]

prawn is a bit :/

[fervent lichen]

And you don’t even really need to time it right lol you can just spam it and it’s free win from there

[distant fox]

Sonar is useful bc map so big and at night u dont see a thing

[steel shoal]

No, you don't want to defend yourself, you want to strike back, which is completely different. Flares make you immune to Stalkers already.

[tulip prawn]

yeah, but again sometimes removes the fear, if it didnt reach as far itd be fine, you can easily see a leviathan off in the distance and just... not got near it lol

[tulip prawn]

yup

[fervent lichen]

So basically defending yourself?

[steel shoal]

It's not defending.

[distant fox]

Sometimes u cant escape it...

[broken badge]

The flare keeps the snowstalkers away already

[fervent lichen]

If something is attacking me and I don’t want to die so I strike back I’m defending myself

[steel shoal]

If you don't want to die, you hold a flare.

[distant fox]

What would be cool is if it didnt detect animals

[tulip prawn]

yeah i get that its useful but i just found it a bit like a complete safeguard against any leviathans (the way i played)

[fervent lichen]

And if I don’t have a flare? Just hope?

[steel shoal]

You can feed them, you can run away.

[distant fox]

Basicaly sonar shouldnt afect leviathans and such

[tulip prawn]

thatd actually be great

[broken badge]

It’s not like the game doesn’t have a ton of freebie flares in it😅

[steel shoal]

The game provides you with tons of tools, in abundance. If you're unprepared, skill issue.

[fervent lichen]

So you’re against the stasis rifle for making it easy but full for multiple options that make you immune to them

Basically make the game insanely easy

[distant fox]

Or like sonar would only be seen on cyclops hud chip on the right

[tulip prawn]

to be fair, coming in from the point of a new player, you wouldnt think to go onto the land, have a flare then use it on the snowstalker, youd think to use a big makeshift spear that deters the animal, not kill it

[broken badge]

There’s a PDA about the flares. That’s how I learned tbh

[steel shoal]

Flares don't work on anything else. Stasis Rifle makes it so no matter the size or environment, you'll never be vulnerable.

[fervent lichen]

My point is in general

I used snowstalkers as an example

[steel shoal]

Stasis Rifle is a general get out of jail card, flares are situational and require reading the PDA

[tulip prawn]

yeah i learnt about them on my 3rd play through, i liked using them along with the pathfinding tool as id never used either of them lol

[fervent lichen]

Not everybody comes upon a time capsule? Yoy don’t just spawn with it

If you want to get rid of the risk and fear factor so players read the fda then idk

[tulip prawn]

most things have reasons to disagree and agree for what the next subnautica game should be like, the one thing i cant wrap my head around is people wanting a void biome 😭