What would you consider it?
#📚wiki-discussion
summer kindle
Yeah
It’s meant to be colonial according to Alex’s concept so I doubt it would even have a respiratory system
cinder kestrel
@agile spindle Unlike the desktop main page, which uses the regular system of protection, the mobile main page is programmed to only be editable for admins.
edgy lagoon
Who uses the mobile main page
fluid lagoon
why did renaming the spy penguin and spy penguin remote pages seemingly destroy everything
agile spindle
whats destroyed? looks fine to me
fluid lagoon
i guess it must just be in editing
agile spindle
can you go through and fix all the links/words on their respective pages?
also the Databank entry
fluid lagoon
see what is this
agile spindle
thats because in the Recipe2 and Databank2 templates they are still called "Spy Penguin"
currently we call those templates without a name which means it defaults to pagename, which doesnt exist yet
so you just have to rename it in both templates
agile spindle
im gonna walk you through this vee
Click "Edit" (top right, you cant miss it)
Scroll down or use Ctrl + F to find "Spy Penguin"
just above the entry it says "|Spy Penguin="
change that to "|Spy Pengling="
for recipe2
Click "Edit" (Top right, you cant miss it)
scroll down or use Ctrl + F to find "Spy Penguin"
just above the recipe it says "|Spy Penguin="
change that to "|Spy Pengling="
oh and for recipe theres one for remote as well
edgy lagoon
Tueman took a whole college course for this I swear
agile spindle
im in high school
@fluid lagoon another helpful tool: https://subnautica-belowzero.fandom.com/index.php?title=Special%3AWhatLinksHere&target=Spy+Penguin&namespace=
fluid lagoon
how should we go about adding the names and poses to the page
the poses can just be a gallery i guess
but what about the names
agile spindle
prolly just a bullet point list
edgy lagoon
You could make the poses in a secondary tabber of the In-Game section of th e primary tabber.
fluid lagoon
where do you want the names section
agile spindle
between uses and recipe
fluid lagoon
agile spindle
should be alphabetical
fluid lagoon
too bad it's set up based on how they're organized in the files
agile spindle
k lol
fluid lagoon
0-15
agile spindle
thats fine then
edgy lagoon
Why do so many of them start with G?
agile spindle
pengwynn sounds like penguin
fluid lagoon
because peng
cinder kestrel
No PengSLScool? I can't really blame them, though.
edgy lagoon
polar lodge
can someone remove tree spires from boneshark's biome list on the fauna page
agile spindle
i wonder if we can allow anons to post in discussions without allowing it for the rest of the wiki
edgy lagoon
Are the smaller Ventgardens going to be on a separate page or no?
remote leaf
Probably better to keep them on the same page for now
I think only a seperate page would be need if there are major differences between the big and small
remote leaf
What differences are other than size?
fluid lagoon
behavior
remote leaf
Ah
fluid lagoon
the small ones also don't have plants or sand
remote leaf
Then separate pages might be better
summer kindle
Yes
edgy lagoon
Separate pages seem right similar to how we have Snowstalker and Snowstalker Young pages. I forgot what a Snowstalker Child is called.
agile spindle
baby
gleaming island
also: do you do the same to swimgarden and ventgarden?
separate page for the child
agile spindle
that’s literally what we just discussed
fluid lagoon
hrngnhrgnh why must new users be like this
edgy lagoon
I edited the Appearance description to explain the differences.
agile spindle
man even after two people go through it it still looks terrible
edgy lagoon
I mean, I don't know what else to change aside from add images.
agile spindle
how bout a navbox, categories, and infobox links
also i believe we agreed on american spelling
edgy lagoon
I put it on there because you could barley see the damn thing with fog on. Feel free to remove it if necessary.
As for the other stuff, that all completely slipped my mind @agile spindle, terribly sorry. Are you already adding it, or shall I do so?
agile spindle
im too sick to edit
edgy lagoon
I'll get it for you then. Very sorry for forgetting.
Done, added the Navbox, fixed the Infobox, and added some Categories.
remote leaf
@agile spindle https://subnautica-belowzero.fandom.com/wiki/Hover_Lizard
Someone mase a hover lizard page
Oof
agile spindle
deleted
remote leaf
fervent grove
Was it not a thing or do you not have pages for cut stuff?
agile spindle
we put cut stuff on a single page
fervent grove
Ahh, makes sense
cursive vigil
when the ps4 update
tepid swallow
You're gonna get in trouble mate
Not only is it not the right channel at all but it is also said in the roadmap and probably in #below-zero-info.
Assuming you're talking about BZ that is.
polar lodge
should we list lil paddler under lilypad biome (in future) or do we need the devs to state it or wait for proof beyond the name?
cursive vigil
when it is fully done and if you can find them in the lilypads biome (except if they swam from another biome to the lilypads) you can list them there
edgy lagoon
Does the Small Ventgarden spawn in the Treespires yet?
agile spindle
yes
edgy lagoon
Thank you. I have not played in over a month, only hopping on once to take images of the normal Ventgarden. Sorry for my ignorance.
soft pike
i read that as baby vegetarians and was very confused
covert nexus
I think they should maby bring a online type of mode to the game so can Maby play with ur mates and people
covert nexus
What is
wet sand
covert nexus
Thx and what do u talk about in this chat
wet sand
the wiki
covert nexus
So like we’re to find things and get things
clever sinewBOT
@loud cipher has been warned
reason: Bad word usage
?
covert nexus
Oh
rustic idol
supporting LGBTQ is right
covert nexus
What’s that?
rustic idol
LGBT?
covert nexus
In this chat can u ask if the game is worth buying? Because I’m thinking of buying it
remote leaf
@covert nexus this chat is to talk about the Subnautica Wikia
It isnt for asking questions about the game
edgy lagoon
Unknown reverted two edits, one of them was a corrected description, and the other was a number adjustment. I know the description change was right at first, but could someone verify the number change that was undone?
He changed the hull reinforcement damage reduction from 93.25% to 93.75%.
I'm tempted to just undo Unkowns edit because he said "it was probably right as it was" when it had a question mark beside the number.
He also posted this.
agile spindle
i told him off
cursive vigil
accuses someone of badge hunting
has made 660 edits since joining in March of 2019
🤔
cinder kestrel
>has made 660 edits since joining in March of 2019 (AnomalyDetected)```
Either you mixed up your data, or I am confused about something here.Well, now you can probably guess where it came from.
cursive vigil
The lock code wasn't even 660 😭
cinder kestrel
It is 646 total, 230 of which were to articles.
Kaeroku has seven total edits, all of which are on articles.
Unknown the anonymous has 462, 121 of which are from articles.
cursive vigil
I meant Unknown's total, I was pointing out the insanity of him accusing people of badge hunting with the amount of edits he had in such a short period
cinder kestrel
There is the date you need. Make use of it (or not--it's up to you).
cinder kestrel
The deep roar emitted by the reaper at regular intervals is effectively sonar - if you can hear it, the reaper can see you.
Does this not mean that the roar is echolocation?
chilly grove
"Effectively sonar" means you can treat it like sonar, but it is not.
Meaning the reaper roar is not echolocation.
agile spindle
how can you treat it like sonar if it isnt sonar
chilly grove
The fact that the roar is heard by the player means you can take advantage of it, rather than the reaper actually using it for his advantage.
calm sedge
Correction "it's" advantage
agile spindle
just because the player can use it for their benefit doesnt mean it isnt sonar
chilly grove
If the roar IS sonar, why use the "effectively" term?
agile spindle
because the writer isnt the brightest bulb in the bunch
the point is that it works just like sonar
chilly grove
For whom?
agile spindle
for the reaper
chilly grove
I'd love to hear the original writer's opinion on this, but I won't hold my breath.
edgy lagoon
Can we ban unknown yet
agile spindle
why
hallow basalt
why not
wanton cairn
cinder kestrel
If the roar IS sonar, why use the "effectively" term?
The author may have thought sonar is artificial and echolocation is natural--which is not quite the case (echolocation is "biological sonar," according to Wikipedia)--and thus said it was "effectively" sonar.
edgy lagoon
Either way, we are unable to make that change, as it is in the databank entry.
cinder kestrel
Yes.
heady gulch
I’m confused, who is leaving the wiki
agile spindle
random guy
heady gulch
Random guy with perms to close threads?
agile spindle
everyone can close their own thread
heady gulch
Huh didn’t realize that
edgy lagoon
remote leaf
@agile spindle or @summer kindle
Who ever sees thos first
Delete this troll page
https://subnautica-belowzero.fandom.com/wiki/Lani_Aliika please
neat bramble
Is there a german BZ wiki because I whould love to create a entry for a creature or something
agile spindle
yes
neat bramble
I couldnt find anything? Or do you mean TerranHawk?
agile spindle
i looked up german subnautica wiki and it was the first result so
oh bz
no you gotta make it, we don’t have anyone translating the wiki for bz
edgy lagoon
Some of the language wikis are outdated af.
Check out the Reaper page on the French wiki.
neat bramble
k
edgy lagoon
Last I checked it still hasn't changed from pre-H2.0 Update.
edgy lagoon
Yea, not many other language wikis for bz.
fierce sphinx
remote leaf
polar lodge
Someone add treespires and lilypad islands to lily paddler's biome list on the fauna page and update the lily paddler's description
agile spindle
they arent spawning there in experimental yet
polar lodge
checkins said they added it in
agile spindle
yes but the branch hasnt updated
polar lodge
what about changing it so it says they will apear there in future like what was done with ventgarden
agile spindle
no just leave it till the branch updates
whoever did that with the ventgarden shouldnt have even
polar lodge
i just checked, they do spawn in lilypads, i havent gone to treespire yet so
also im in non experimental
agile spindle
the wiki is based on experimental
polar lodge
kk
subtle hare
I must ask; is a new wiki created every time a new Halo game is released?
Or a new Terminator movie?
Or a new version of chess?
agile spindle
personally i do not support multiple wikis but i think the consensus is the way we have it currently
subtle hare
What exactly is the consensus?
agile spindle
multiple wikis
agile spindle
less confusing
agile spindle
they think bunching everything in one wiki is confusing to read and edit
agile spindle
beats me
subtle hare
How hard is it to set up separate headings for Regular and Below Zero!
Or a simple list that summarises the changes between games?!
late island
Like there's a lot of the same stuff but slightly different in it
subtle hare
^
late island
I'm saying that's why they should stay as two wikis
subtle hare
So highlight the slight differences underneath a heading!
Having to navigate between two different wikis to view their slight changes is bloated and time-consuming
late island
I don't feel the need to have like 100 pages with tabbers or with another page that's a variant
just have another wiki at that point
subtle hare
You don't need 100 tabbers, no page is going to need 100 tabbers
late island
100 pages that each have tabbers
subtle hare
You don't even need tabbers
late island
And changes between games are a whole other matter that I feel doesn't have much at all to do with the wikis being separate
subtle hare
Just a separate heading with an accompanying image!
subtle hare
Look at this article for the survival knife: https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/Survival_Knife
late island
I know what the wiki is just explain
subtle hare
You see that contents box?
subtle hare
No
agile spindle
the navbox?
late island
subtle hare
YES!
agile spindle
oh the toc
late island
That's the table of contents
subtle hare
That stores the bits of text you've highlighted as HEADINGS
agile spindle
on wikia we call them headers
subtle hare
Header, Heading. It's semantics at this point
subtle hare
Point is, you can chuck any and all relevant Below Zero info under its own separate header
late island
that's still cluttering up the page
I'd rather do the infobox method
though Ideally we'll never have to do either
subtle hare
Now, is there anything with the Survival knife that's different in Below Zero?
agile spindle
the navbox is different
agile spindle
in terms of whats on the page
subtle hare
^
agile spindle
for that specific item there are no differences
late island
The point is the biggest part of that has nothing to do with there being two wikis and we could do it whether it's split or not
it's still a huge pain
and something I've only seen this person want
subtle hare
This is a problem; I assume you've got 2 pages covering the exact same items with no changes whatsoever
late island
yeah so?
subtle hare
I assume this is the same for other items
agile spindle
not all of them
subtle hare
That's to be expected
What's also to be expected that for those non-identical articles, a lot of them share a good portion of info
This is what I'm trying to point out
The duplicate pages and info are redundant
agile spindle
its not like theyll accidentally stumble on the same page twice
subtle hare
You're unnecessarily bloating wikis with identical information
agile spindle
if theyre on the bz wiki theyll only see the one page
subtle hare
That's not the point
Would it not take more effort to edit new info onto a single page than have to manage two completely separate ones?
agile spindle
we dont really have to change information on the sn wiki
since that game isnt being updated
late island
There's nothing we have to change for the SN wiki
if anything gets changed it only affects the BZ wiki
subtle hare
You've still got the issue of two pages covering the (almost) exact same thing in the end.
What have the guys at UW say about this?
agile spindle
ted said we're in charge of the wiki
one of the fandom staff said one wiki is better but its up to us
subtle hare
So I assume you're going to keep creating new wikis for each Subnautica game that comes out?
Instead of doing the smart thing and collating all info into a single database?
late island
I don't feel like there's going to be more than one other SN
subtle hare
That's not the point
late island
that was just your point
subtle hare
No, my question was "If another SN game came out, would you create a separate wiki for that one as well?"
You dismissed the question by saying "I don't think another would come out" instead of answering "Yes" or "No"
agile spindle
yes
late island
"So I assume you're going to keep creating new wikis for each Subnautica game that comes out?"
there's no if here
you stated it as a fact that there would be multiple more
subtle hare
FFS stop trying to dodge the question
Tueman already answered, so that doesn't matter
Point is, I have never in my time perusing wikis have seen a separation of wikis between subsequent games in a series
late island
I'LL ANSWER THE QUESTION JUST ASK THE ONE YOU WANT TO ASK
But I'll give you the answer as you've explained
agile spindle
i think hollow knight is doing a new wiki for silksong
late island
We'll keep doing it if another game comes out
especially seeing as it's going to be even more different
subtle hare
Alright. Let me give you two examples of wikis which don't do this
Exhibit A; Halo Alpha: https://halo.fandom.com/wiki/Type-25_Directed_Energy_Rifle
agile spindle
we dont need to do it the same way as other wikis
subtle hare
Given how the Plasma Rifle has had only minor changes between releases, all changes have been documented under its own Header in list format
Alongside with images denoting the games they come from, this ensures all info is kept in an orderly fashion while allowing comparison between per-title visual and gameplay differences
Exhibit 2: Fallout Wiki: https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Plasma_rifle
wet sand
well the thing with subnautica and below zero is that a fair few items have absolutely no differences between them
subtle hare
^^^
agile spindle
sounded pretty pro combine
subtle hare
Given how each version of the Plasma Rifle in that game has had significant differences (especially in name), this page acts as a sort of disambiguation hub from which the player can view each version per-incarnation
wet sand
if two items are exactly the same it would get mega confusing for them both to be on the same wiki
subtle hare
How
I'm sure people have the brains to understand "Oh, this thing behaves the exact same way it does between each game"
agile spindle
youd be shocked
wet sand
you have not been around this community for long, have you
agile spindle
we constantly have people asking for information available directly on the page
wet sand
there are people who come to here and ask about the simplest stuff
subtle hare
If needs be, you can add a quick sentence saying "this item returns in Below Zero with no changes to its functionality"
agile spindle
sounds like more of a hassle than its worth
subtle hare
What, 1 page with a quick disclaimer as opposed to 2 completely separate pages?
agile spindle
would be a pain to combine all the pages
most of the staff isnt really that active
subtle hare
If and when the time comes, I'll be sure to bring this issue up to the devs
I'm positive that their reactions will be predictable
wet sand
you mean the devs that already know that there are two wikis
agile spindle
i guarantee you they do not care
subtle hare
@agile spindle So you lied
I asked "What have the guys at UW say about this?"
You replied ted said we're in charge of the wiki
Implying that they only knew the existence of one
agile spindle
we always refer to both wikis as "the wiki"
because most of us focus on the BZ wiki
subtle hare
How convenient
agile spindle
you're being incredibly rude right now even though we're explaining to you why the wikis are separate
if you don't like it you're free to not edit, but we're going to keep doing it this way because that's what the team has agreed on
subtle hare
If so, I must apologise for this mild transgression. In all my history of having contributed to wikis, not once have I encountered this counterproductive phenomena
How can I not express such an issue with anything besides incredulous bewilderment?
agile spindle
if youre gonna start calling me names it is better to not express it at all
subtle hare
When did I call you names?
agile spindle
called me a liar
subtle hare
Given the lack of divulged information regarding how you address the two wikis with a singular pronoun, I considered that to be a reasonable assessment of your previous statement
Granted, with clarification, my issuing of the label regarding that statement has become null and void. But was it not warranted given the above circumstances?
agile spindle
no
subtle hare
Ok, If that's what you think
tepid swallow
Having everything in only one wiki may lead to confusion towards some players...
"Why can I not craft the spy pengling in Subnautica ?! It's listed on the wiki !"
"I can't find how to craft the cyclops in below zero, but it's on the wiki, so how"
Etc etc
And yes some people don't read the big disclaimers.
subtle hare
Not once have I seen anyone make such complaints in a combined wiki
I'm positive that's just an erroneous presumption made by the individual who insisted on separating the voices
There's already tools and whatnot that can be implemented to show that content in the same wikis in different games
Like separating items by game within templates
Using game-specific templates
Heck, even the page backgrounds can show this
In fact, judging by the comments in key articles, it seems that there are a number of confused edits and inquiries can be attributed to this arbitrary split
Honestly, this decision warranted by nothing but far-flung non-issues is enough to consider taking the Blackjack and Hookers route
obtuse trench
lol why do you talk like that
late island
because if he talks like a smart person maybe people will think he is one
they won't, but it's worth a try
gleaming island
I don't quite get how the recipe template works, so someone please change the recipe here to be 4 titanium 8 glass
https://subnautica-belowzero.fandom.com/wiki/Large_Glass_Dome
Does the template grab recipe from somewhere else?
agile spindle
kind of
huh hollow knight actually decided to keep their wikis merged
@summer kindle you were saying customization is easier with split wikis but their silksong page looks really nice
they even managed to have a different hover flow effect on the navbar for just that page
late island
I'm sure either way can work but I think for SN we should keep it and the BZ wiki as separate entities
agile spindle
i wish we could’ve done this since the start but oh well
agile spindle
pretty sure that made more work for us but
to be fair silksong probably doesn’t have that much overlap if any
summer kindle
But Silksong has a separate wiki anyway
late island
I don't think splitting made that much more work for us
agile spindle
i think it did
late island
the only thing I can really think of was the icon update and that isn't a problem anymore
agile spindle
well there’s moderating, copying over templates, reuploading images, interwiki links
and you complained about the icon thing for quite a while
late island
Oh right interwiki links are a thing
and yeah but now the icon thing is over and done with and it would've been a pain either way
agile spindle
i don’t think you deal with most of the downsides of having multiple wikis honestly
but whatever
late island
Most of the downsides we've already worked through
so at this point it doesn't matter anyway
late island
which do you still have to deal with?
late island
which templates?
late island
There's gonna need to be work either way
and personally I prefer having to deal with this kind of work for the result.
agile spindle
what do you mean
late island
If we kept them on the same wiki there's a lot of crap we'd have to go through to get that to work well as well
it's not like there'd be particularly less annoying stuff to deal with if we kept them as one
just different stuff
agile spindle
yes and it would result in a better looking wiki, personally
late island
really?
I feel like looks would be half of the reason to not have them on the same wiki
agile spindle
idve done a lot more to improve the sn wiki if it weren’t for the hassle of cross over
and they can look different despite being the same wiki
silksong proved that
late island
css isn't even the main issue with that
there's the whole splitting of the pages and stuff like that
late island
We could do it
but I'd rather not
and as far as I'm concerned there isn't a chance of it happening until me and some of the other keepers have moved on
so if you're still there feel free to do whatever you want with it
agile spindle
lol
late island
xd
late island
You know I had briefly considered trying to make the recipes look more like how they do when pinned or at least when viewed in the PDA in general
but then I realized that'd be a huge pain.
Unless there was like a way to just auto upload images.
agile spindle
not doing things because of how annoying they would be isn’t really a good reason imo
what do you mean though
i could possibly set up a background template for it if you mean a hover thing
late island
I mean a hover thing could work
but either option would require us uploading backgroundless item icons
and as far as I know there isn't a bot or something that can automatically upload that many images at once, so it'd be pretty tedious
maybe if we uploaded them as a spritesheet?
but then that'd assumedly mean more coding work
cinder kestrel
The spritesheet method is pretty much broken on mobile.
I assume "spritesheet" means "have the icons in a grid on one page and then have a template select a certain portion of the image to display the desired icon."
agile spindle
I don't understand why we need multiple icons
we can just display the icons as normal
remote leaf
Oh
edgy lagoon
I'm surprised nobody had done it sooner tbh.
agile spindle
i did tell him to stop mini modding
edgy lagoon
I suppose that counts, yea.
late island
@agile spindle The PDA's blueprints and pinned recipes all use backgroundless versions of the item icons
and I think it's like that because it looks better that way
late island
at least with this I wouldn't have to replace any images, since I'd assume we'd still keep the ones with backgrounds
and it's not like I have to remember which item has which size or color background
agile spindle
i kind of have an issue with using that format on the wiki
how would we show what machine is used?
late island
probably adding an extra icon in there somewhere
but how exactly to go about that is the issue
even if it isn't exactly like these I've been feeling like the recipes could use an update for a while, just not sure the best way to update that.
alpine vessel
hello. can I jump into the discussion? I've been stalking for some minutes
agile spindle
sure
alpine vessel
you guys want to change the visual format for recipes in the wiki?
agile spindle
dino wants to make it similar to the pinned recipes in game
but we don't know how to incorporate the machine used for the recipe
alpine vessel
not the brightest solution but
agile spindle
thats basically what we have now
alpine vessel
maybe just <itemlist in that format> <place with bg> arrow <last item>
yep
item list and location have different formatting
🤔
oops
one arrow less and slight change in style
instead of 0/2, just 2
gleaming island
please edit Lily Paddlers biomes here too: (its locked)
https://subnautica-belowzero.fandom.com/wiki/Fauna
remote leaf
Yeah you have to wait until someone like bippity or tueman gets on
agile spindle
oh terran can you not edit locked pages?
should we make him content mod @ other admins?
agile spindle
https://subnautica-belowzero.fandom.com/wiki/Template:RecipeTest @late island mock-up
late island
hm
edgy lagoon
I like how that looks.
late island
Interesting that even in the PDA it doesn't mention where these things are made
just what you need
agile spindle
i never thought of that
but yea that makes it weird
also dino we need a transparency for the cliff lantern and the icon for the spy penguin poster
if you’ve got time
edgy lagoon
Is there any story behind the scattered fragments around the map?
cinder kestrel
In the PDA, all items that are under the same heading have the same machine creating them. I think. But yeah, there otherwise does not say.
cinder kestrel
All the items under the "Vehicle Upgrades" (I know I got the header name wrong, oh well) header are crafted at the Vehicle Upgrade Console, all the items under "Basic Materials" are at the Fabricator, "Advanced Materials" are at the Fabricator, etc.
Although, in the case of vehicle upgrades, they are found under any of four different tabs within the upgrade console.
agile spindle
seatruck upgrades are crafted in the fabricator module
prawn suit upgrades are in the vuc
agile spindle
thanks
edgy lagoon
They look really good, great job Dino.
cinder kestrel
prawn suit upgrades are in the vuc```
(Realizes that *Below Zero* exists)🤔
cinder kestrel
I checked and confirmed that all 17 vehicle upgrade modules in the original game are all crafted at the same station. I never thought of checking the other game.
agile spindle
this is unlisted apparently but obraxis linked it in the AMA
it wouldnt work in the bugs section cause they fixed it but i also dont want it to be lost
not sure where we can put it though
icy obsidian
Lightning console command doesn't appear to work in experimental (unless it's a temporary/save game related issue)
also., parsing- 'cold command is currently non-functional' rather than dysfunctional (typo'd currently as 'dis'functional)
summer kindle
So how are we going to deal with the small Ventgarden on the fauna page
I guess we just wait for wherever the PDA places it
agile spindle
leviathan
gleaming island
but its small
agile spindle
is a baby sea emperor not still a leviathan?
gleaming island
wiki states that leviathan is a size classification
cinder kestrel
And now, back in the world of the wiki, things seem to being going alright.
Except for that one necrobumper, of course.
agile spindle
ive been wanting to tell you this but the necrobumping rule doesnt apply to article comments
cinder kestrel
Huh. Well.
summer kindle
@late island was there a reason for putting the small Ventgarden in scavengers and parasites?
polar lodge
i think feeding off hydrothermal vents would be parasitic or scavenger like right?
polar lodge
How do they get their nutrience
fervent grove
Well, they can suck up penglings with ease through their butt mouth
late island
I have no idea what they eat that young, but I assume the same stuff as the adults. Figured they'd probably end up in that section because I wasn't sure where else to put them.
agile spindle
i put it in leviathan because theres no reason to assume its in a different category
sage zinc
What’s the pengling cereal box?
summer kindle
What?
sage zinc
Err, poster or whatever
summer kindle
agile spindle
how do you make that mistake
summer kindle
Well it’s easy when all you saw was this
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/subnautica-arctic/images/0/0b/Spy_Pengling_Poster.png/revision/latest?cb=20190607195956&format=original
agile spindle
yeah but the only places he can see it he can easily see the name of it
if he saw it on the wiki the only place it is is the posters page
summer kindle
Dino posted it here earlier
sage zinc
Yeah I was just looking at the picture
agile spindle
the name was in the link :c
sage zinc
Wasn’t looking at the link
agile spindle
@summer kindle the needs transparency category applies to pages lacking fragment pictures
didnt notice that this changed
cursive vigil
Yesss. I love the new UI set up.
agile spindle
and @late island need icons for cold suit gloves & helm if you have time
late island
Are those even in? @agile spindle
agile spindle
from the reinforced suit?
late island
and radiation
agile spindle
hm the ones we have uploaded are squares
but in game they are circle icons
all 3
scratch that, the cold suit is a square
but the other two are circles in game
late island
already on it
summer kindle
How is that
agile spindle
are you guys gonna put content on those pages you made
summer kindle
Well Dino made them
late island
Sam it's not in the Tree Spires I told you this
Trying to make this into a rounded rectangle shape
agile spindle
can i ask why tree spires coral and thermal zone barnacles deserve pages
late island
only problem is I can't seem to figure out how to only make the bottom tab rounded
They deserve pages about as much as half of the other flora on the wiki right now. Once the PDA entries are finalized I'll take the ones that don't have one off the list.
But right now I'm more focused on how this template coding works so I can fix that
late island
sure
late island
no I want just the 2nd section to have rounded edges on the bottom of it
agile spindle
why just the second?
agile spindle
is that a photoshop edit?
late island
yeah
agile spindle
try using the |group2style parameter
agile spindle
well the navboxes are built from the {{Navbox2}} template so i just went and looked at that one
late island
I'll keep that in mind
just remembered another thing
the bottom of this title isn't rounded when collapsed
agile spindle
are you unable to fix that?
agile spindle
thanks past me
late island
hm
polar lodge
For consistancy's sake ima put small ventgarden in leviathan class lifeforms since it's labelled as a leviathan acording to the fauna page.
does anyone oppose or should i do it now
I also addded leviathan class to small ventgarden page
agile spindle
WHY does fandom go down right when i need to edit
anyway dino we need the new icons for all three cold suit items
oh and they are all three squares now
gleaming island
It's RMB for me in game
fervent grove
Isn't all item use done with RMB? LMB is for punching/breaking? Or do I recall incorrectly?
gleaming island
that's how it is
fervent grove
Gawddammit Tueman, you had one job.. one job... simply manage a whole fandom wiki, jeez
sleek bone
woah what? tueman is the wiki manager? lmao
tueman gets more legendendary by the second
give me a high five tueman
wait he's away nvm ill stop now
fluid lagoon
no
remote leaf
^
agile spindle
im a wiki editor
im basically the lowest rank because everyone else on the wiki doesnt like me
fervent pasture
probably because you use complex terms no one understands has no idea what im saying
agile spindle
it doesnt
agile spindle
stay on topic in this channel
sleek bone
ok :(
agile spindle
gaaaah i cant get it to force itself to the top
ignore the font
ez clap
if i cant force everything up ill just force the bad ones down
of course that does leave kind of a big gap between the header
but whataya gonna do
this looks all right apart from the font
thoughts?
i wanna make a hover thing to have the recipe/desc appear as well
might have to fix up the header as well
agile spindle
it looks pretty good on 1920x1080 but on smaller screens it forces a scrollbar
not sure how to solve it
agile spindle
theoretical hover, ideally with better icons
i went with green cause of how it looks when you have all items in pins
summer kindle
Wait so what is this?
I haven’t really been keeping up to date with this room recently
summer kindle
Well it’s working
agile spindle
we dont have to use it but i was bored
i posted the other part just above but it isnt working great yet
summer kindle
It looks good. How do you plan to use it?
agile spindle
I was thinking we'd replace category pages like Equipment with the template like above
this
then id have each image display the recipe thing when you hover over it
summer kindle
So place that on the category page?
summer kindle
That sounds good
fervent pasture
for the scroll on lower res isnt there a way to force the "image" to change sizes based on the screen size
agile spindle
not from what i can tell
fervent pasture
idk how your makin this but i took a high school programming course that could do that using code but for an app not a website and im not sure which code it was
agile spindle
im using html
fervent pasture
does it look bad on the larger screen if you decrease the size to better fit smaller ones?
agile spindle
probably looks fine but i dont have a way to scale it
fervent pasture
true
there are some programs that might help with that but they cost more than theyre worth ill bet
cinder kestrel
woah what? tueman is the wiki manager? lmao
Who is our wiki manager?
cinder kestrel
I thought we had one.
agile spindle
flanq doesnt really do anything hes just there
hes like a glorified live support agent
agile spindle
he said himself the title is inaccurate
agile spindle
bippity what on earth are you doing
the flora page was categorized to match the databank
agile spindle
this is why you ask stuff in here rather than making big changes like that all of a sudden
summer kindle
well it wasn't particularly large
agile spindle
either way
summer kindle
why would he call it sea flora anyway that's a stupid name
fervent grove
So, are we thinking ban or permanent kick for Bippity? 
agile spindle
its exploitable, sea and land
summer kindle
that's a really weird categorisation system
agile spindle
yes
summer kindle
and they do not overlap?
agile spindle
no
summer kindle
that is dumb
agile spindle
¯_(ツ)_/¯
summer kindle
hhhhhhh
time to remove all of those
cut my life into pieces
this is my last resort
I'm just gonna go to bed
and sort this out tomorrow
agile spindle
ill handle it
agile spindle
because thats where igor put it as a placeholder
agile spindle
i think im just gonna size the template for 1366x768 and bigger screens will just have to not use the whole space
otherwise smaller screens would have a scrollbar
is this good?
I'm probably not gonna template it for complicated reasons
gleaming island
In https://subnautica-belowzero.fandom.com/wiki/Flora
Isn't the blue fur plant a land flora?
It's currently in 'sea' section
cursive vigil
Which one XD
agile spindle
it is but it’s in sea currently
gleaming island
why
agile spindle
placeholder
gleaming island
oh, didn't know
agile spindle
can we have a faster way to switch from mobile to desktop version
i’m annoyed by having to scroll to the bottom of the page each time
summer kindle
Why does the mobile version actually exist
I genuinely do not understand the reason for its existence
agile spindle
yea it makes stuff harder when i have to account for it
so instead i just say screw it
i guarantee my blueprint emulation would not function on mobile
agile spindle
pretty sure g2a are criminals
magic wraith
me 2
agile spindle
well the keys sold on g2a are mostly stolen
the owners know about it but dont care because thats how they get money
cunning oak
Already kicked. Carry on with your wiki's and your discussions y'all
edgy lagoon
tired lily
:wat:
cinder kestrel
So, I heard that the wiki is dying.
I'm not sure how, though--the comment did not say anything.
cinder kestrel
I would not be surprised if that guy also thinks Minecraft is dying.
This seems to be at the bottom of every page.
agile spindle
that appeared after a guy from the technical help forums edited a template
polar lodge
nice anthomnia message
polar lodge
ima change small vent garden to juvenille ventgarden since it's called juvenille on leviathan class organisms
granite comet
whats a vent garden
polar lodge
subzero creature
can someone change small ventgarden to juvenile ventgarden on the fauna page
granite comet
oh dont tall me
tell
im isolating myself from the game
so i get a clean experiance
polar lodge
it's probably a bad idea to check subnautica discord page as images are posted on spoilery things all of the time
granite comet
yeah i havent seen anything that isnt in the ads
polar lodge
also could a wiki keeper change the name of the small ventgarden to juvenile ventgarden so i/others can change things in source
idk how to do it
polar lodge
what about the fauna and ventgarden pages still refering to the juv ventgarden as small ventgerden, is that something we are just going to have to live with?
polar lodge
then save up for it
polar lodge
Well idk what to say then
polar lodge
@summer kindle could you change the small ventgarden link on fauna and re-link/name it to juvenile ventgarden. thx
summer kindle
Done
polar lodge
great
why does the fauna link do a re direct when the normal ventgarden one sends me straight to the juv ventgarden?
is it a quick alternative?
summer kindle
Oh because I did Ventgarden Juvenile instead of Juvenile Ventgarden by mistake
I’ll fix that
polar lodge
i just changed the juv ventgarden link on leviathan class organisms so that when you hover over it it doesn't say small ventgarden
That should be everything
silver marsh
Uhmm I was listening to the shadow lev sounds on the wiki and then I heard thanks for using our wiki, Paypal us 3000 dollars by tuesday or say goodbye to your pet pengling
cinder kestrel
This hidden message is for Anthomnia. We demand royalties for using our wiki as a content farm. PayPal us three thousand dollars by Tuesday or say goodbye to your pet Pengling.
-- https://subnautica-belowzero.fandom.com/wiki/File:Sfx_creature_shadowleviathan_roar_detect_01.ogg
The upload logs suggest it was added to the wiki individually, as opposed to being grouped together with other files and uploaded at the same time. So, I suspect that this is indeed a prank--but I still am not willing to bet on who created the file.
Either way, if Anthomnia is reading this, ignore everything I just said: the file is real.
agile spindle
I made it
cinder kestrel
Alright, then I know how to place my my "bet on who created the file."
gaunt igloo
...
proud bear
agile spindle
dont worry about it
agile spindle
dont worry about it
agile spindle
dont worry about it
agile spindle
this blueprint emulation is so much more of a hassle than i envisioned it being
absolutely nothing in mediawiki likes to stay in one spot
tepid swallow
I can already see "The SN wiki staff is abusing their powers on me..." Video title...
lone glacier
This is why I like watching IGP.
cursive vigil
@quick spade #memes-and-media
remote leaf
cursive vigil
Hehe
tepid swallow
He'll probably just cut it out at editing
Or over-react to it
Both are plausible
agile spindle
This is the finalized version of the mockup
do not ask how much time i spent working on it
agile spindle
also ideally it would have icons with no bgs in the tooltip because its like that ingame but thats up to dino if he wants to put in the work to upload those
agile spindle
can i get the go ahead on using it across the wiki or
agile spindle
the tooltip?
summer kindle
yeah
summer kindle
idk I was just saying for making it a little more readable over other text
summer kindle
Yeah that's much better
agile spindle
the font isnt exactly the same unless it worked without me knowing but its pretty close i think
opal anchor
YO les gens
tepid swallow
Serveur anglais seulement, et t'es dans le mauvais salon pour dire bonjour. Pour ça va dans #off-topic et en anglais sinon les gens vont pas t'apprécier
cursive vigil
@tepid swallow speak english please, rule 8 says that
vagrant hound
cursive vigil
ye
tepid swallow
@cursive vigil I was telling @opal anchor to speak english -.-
cursive vigil
maybe they understand english so if you tell them in english they might listen too
cinder kestrel
If you want to tell arkanride a message in French, I recommend doing it in Direct Messages.
That way, you can let the user know in (what might be) their native language without breaking the rules.
(Realizes I did not use Direct Messaging to tell you about Direct Messaging)
tepid swallow
Funny how I'm the one blamed for speaking French when I'm telling the one who speaked french first to speak english
tepid swallow
Ok well if someone speaks french here again, don't count on me, if that's how I'm treated when I'm trying to help.
What are you supposed to do to be popular here, hate the game and the devs ? Cause that's what everyone seems to be doing
agile spindle
no one here hates the game or the devs
they just misunderstood what you were trying to do, it happens when you speak a different language
agile spindle
we should really delete the twisty bridges plant page
that thing is not getting its own flora entry
agile spindle
every time i try to middle click a tab open and then click on something on that page it just closes the page
its only happening on wikia
late island
how exactly would a table like this be edited?
not sure what its template would be if it has one
late island
All done through css?
agile spindle
no its in the html when you edit the page
hang on
the top part defines the table and what it looks like
the second part is the top row
flora and locations that darker part
each of these is one row
and the style has additional things to define how the row appears
and it starts a new table after every header so on the flora page i think there are four different tables but they should all be the same style wise
cinder kestrel
"Equipment page with this in a bit if no one pipes up"
agile spindle
you know what sls dont talk if youre not going to be helpful
@late island i need a few icons when youre free
late island
which icons?
cinder kestrel
Fine: the two lines of the title need more spacing.
agile spindle
i need 1x1 circle icons for all three of the oxygen tanks
not including the ultra tank
that better @cinder kestrel?
cinder kestrel
That looks good.
agile spindle
oh and also dino can you upload a single non-icon background and a blank background? any bg and icon will work
gonna do some testing
late island
@agile spindle What do you want the circle icons for?
agile spindle
for the blueprint emulation
in the blueprints tab all icons are circles
but those icons on the wiki are bigger
late island
Also I assume you want those other icons to test and see if you can store the bgs and icons separately?
And then just add them in post?
agile spindle
yea
late island
@agile spindle Uploaded most of the item backgrounds and some test items
agile spindle
thanks
agile spindle
not bad on first try
agile spindle
i get it to show up just fine but the image wont stay where i tell it to
fervent grove
Have you considered asking it nicely?
cinder kestrel
I considered it back when my age in years was still in single-digits.
winged adder
agile spindle
off topic
broken escarp
So i got a question.... to the wiki dudes... i found something in the wiki bart torgal has not status dead but "Missing, presumed dead" Can it be that he comes back? ||Just like marge did||
cinder kestrel
Did you just protect against spoiling people in the #📚wiki-discussion channel?
Anyway, we put that because it is not confirmed that he died. It is highly likely, but not certain.
broken escarp
but it is pretty much confirmed that paul torgal died right? since well hes 79 at the time of his last log and below zero plays 12 years after the degasi crash
cinder kestrel
So he would be 91.
remote leaf
Which based on a log in SN
The life expectancy for humans is a lot longer than it is now
Paul says he excepted to live another 60 years
cinder kestrel
While those extra decades would require some transplants and such, I doubt they would let him live with completely natural organs until he is close to death. They probably gave him a couple of transplants when he was--say, 50, because why not.
cinder kestrel
Yes.
broken escarp
i really hope atleast Bart comes back since Marge is back
summer kindle
Doubt it
And Paul is definitely dead
His survival was dependent on replacement organs
cinder kestrel
I turned 80 years old last week. I thought I had another 80 in me, but marooned on this planet there's no swapping out of my liver when the old one fails.
https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:MisterWoodhouse/Fandom_is_upgrading_to_a_modern_version_of_MediaWiki
Which means that things will get better (and/or a lot of our work will be made redundant).
undone holly
Can anyone add the damages done by gas pod, repulsion cannon and drill arm ? I'll like to find the easiest way to kill leviathan... Thanks
agile spindle
stasis rifle and spam it with a knife
remote leaf
Drill Arm does like 4 damage very rapidly
undone holly
In a sec ?
cursive vigil
you can instantly kill a blood crawler with a normal arm, and when i'm drilling it i can even punch for a second time until he is dead
so i guess the normal arm has a higher DPS
agile spindle
stay on topic
winged bolt
I just saw someone asking it
agile spindle
they were asking us to put values on the wiki
then 100 people chimed with their suggestions on how best to solve his problem
winged bolt
I donno values bat i wabted to help him
agile spindle
well thats not what this channel is for
you can dm him or redirect him to #subnautica-chat
torpid apex
Heh
cinder kestrel
Being bored, I looked up what the user did.
The result was an infinite block.
Oh, well. Maybe Narutopedia will not be the only wiki handing out an infinite block.
agile spindle
im looking at the item navbox and realizing we dont have the modification station upgrades in it
remote leaf
you could have a modification station look like this
agile spindle
id rather keep it how we have it atm
agile spindle
need snowstalker fur icon
cursive vigil
This does not specify what wiki so I can technically post this
fierce imp
cursive vigil
Na-NANI!
agile spindle
stay on topic
cursive vigil
XD uwu epic fortnite funny gamer moment
agile spindle
im in two other discords with him
fluid lagoon
i forgot he was even banned tbh
agile spindle
inappropriate jokes
cinder kestrel
Or is that something only you Mods get to know?
agile spindle
anyway we have no reason to ban him from the wiki
warm forge
hi
heady gulch
Who’s lee
agile spindle
lol i did a thing
its a template where you can put a beacon anywhere on the map using coordinates
remote leaf
agile spindle
wouldnt appear on my screen at least
cinder kestrel
And you too can invite yourself to be spammed by even more users, the way I am.
Fandom will have some more Discord-related news on Monday.
--a random Councilor I know of.
cinder kestrel
And a new "contract." https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:MisterWoodhouse/Community_Contract_for_the_New_Fandom_Platform
Basically, the staff will try to make things better, and we will try to make it work.
remote leaf
https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/User:Posho128 @agile spindle
if you are there, this person needs a block, vandilsm
agile spindle
done
agile spindle
@late island Can I have all icons without background