I suppose I should apologize as well.
When you said "Can't wait to see this," I knew you were unaware of the bot.
#šwiki-discussion
cinder kestrel
cursive vigil
Nah it's okay it's more fun to mess with em a bit 
cinder kestrel
Well, I thought you were excited to see me to do it quickly, not excited to us quarrel, but eh.
cursive vigil
Ah
What can I say I love some quarreling
Although I don't enjoy engaging in it myself
cinder kestrel
I love some #sn-discord-rules .
cursive vigil
Don't we all
cinder kestrel
You would be surprised, sometimes.
cursive vigil
Smh smh to think some people don't enjoy the rules
cinder kestrel
Smh smh to think some people don't enjoy the rules
Every criminal in existence, and every roleplayer on the wiki.
Unless you want to count enjoying breaking the rules.
frail dragon
@cinder kestrel
it was painful but i have finished
ā@frail dragon What if I told you I could have had that done in a matter of minutes?
Does that ease the pain, or does that just inflate it?ā
It only took like 3 minutes but my hands were getting sore from pressing ctrl + v
cinder kestrel
That is probably how long I would have spent.
That is, two minutes getting out my USB drive, forty seconds launching AutoWikiBrowser, fifteen seconds of fumbling around, and five seconds of actual work.
cursive vigil
Tueman is secretly god
frail dragon
but SLS
How would your āautowikibrowserā, which I assume your bot or something, know which ābyās to put āunknown artistā after
frail dragon
To stop it from saying something like āby unknown artist Cory straderā
frail dragon
It took discord nearly 5 minutes to send that
Because Iām in the middle of nowhere the cellular data here is awful
cinder kestrel
Fortunately, in this case I can keep it simple and have it check for "by" with no space after it.
agile spindle
@summer kindle are you sure rockgrubs spawn in the spires? I couldnt find any and i dont think ignis' list shows them anywhere
summer kindle
Idk their page listed them there
I just saw a comment that said they did, checked their page which also said they did so assumed someone just forgot to update the fauna page
agile spindle
yeah the entity distribution list doesnt have them
late island
they've never been there so I don't know why that's there
Imma go check which numpto added that
oh hey it was you
it's been there since the beginning
on both the Thermal Spires and Rockgrub pages it was your edit
why
tuemin explain yourself
cursive vigil
Quite the plot twist
proper citrus
dun dun dahhh
late island
still no answer
distant shale
We need more vehicles
edgy lagoon
Okay but why are you saying that here?
cursive vigil
^
late island
Man I wonder if there's an easy way to have these item icon updates apply to both wikis
agile spindle
there is
late island
because I'm doing all of the BZ icons right now, but then I have to do it again
oh? what is it?
agile spindle
merging the wikis
agile spindle
yeah you set that one up for me
late island
seriously though
late island
I don't know if that's good enough reason for me though
agile spindle
i mean its not the only reason
edgy lagoon
Why are you not in support of merging them, Dino? I'm curious.
late island
easier to keep them separate for information's sake
agile spindle
since they changed fog will we need to replace every above-ground picture
remote leaf
Speaking about oudated pictures
I think the QEP still has outdated pictures in the sunbeam tab
late island
I know
remote leaf
I think nobody updated them when the QEP got the greenish tint
agile spindle
its the same fog
frail dragon
K
The heavy fog is really fun because you canāt see where youāre going
It fits badly over watery places like the twisty bridges but it could work well if it was permanent while on the glacial basin
remote leaf
š¤
late island
Pretty sure I got most of the icons on the BZ wiki
frail dragon
what are the new icons anyway
agile spindle
dino is updating the icons with lower quality icons
agile spindle
you told me they were lower quality
agile spindle
you said they scale the icon to the background, which is smaller
making the icon lower quality
late island
they scale the background to the icon
there were two options but I went with the one that scales the background
also that was a while back. Not exactly relevant to this update
agile spindle
then why are you updating all the icons? isnt that how we've been doing it?
late island
yes but how we've been doing it is inaccurate
and the thing I use to extract it is accurate
so for the future I'm just updating all the old ones to be more consistent
agile spindle
so theres no noticeable difference?
late island
there is
agile spindle
which is what
agile spindle
which ones are different colors?
agile spindle
i feel like the non-transparent one looks more accurate to in game
remote leaf
I think non transparent ones might look better on something like a wikia
late island
All of the ones on the BZ wiki are updated
so go check for yourself
it's hard to see in that pic but it's there
I'll get a better one
agile spindle
this is odd
late island
what about it?
agile spindle
the actual image looks darker than the history image
is it just cause of the background?
late island
if you put something that's transparent red on a white background and something that's transparent red on a black background it's gonna look different
@agile spindle
it's there
late island
if we could just get like a bot that replaces all of the recipe icons on the recipe page with their conterparts
all of my problems would be solved
It would be nice if I wasn't the only one doing this.
edgy lagoon
Jesus christ all the icons
I took one look at the wiki's recent activity to a sea of icons.
frail dragon
"anyway sls your bot sucks at its job"
hallow basalt
sad
agile spindle
So do we move outpost omega to cut content
remote leaf
is it fully intended to be cut?
agile spindle
well it isnt in the game anymore
remote leaf
maybe someone removed it on accident
I cant seem to find its removal on the backend
yeah scrolled for awhile and its removal isnt on the backend it seems. If it was removed on purpose then it should have be on the backend
remote leaf
This comment hurts my head
They say do not take it seriously but at the same time say they do want it
hallow basalt
Hello (Sorry for my bad english. I hope you can forgive me)
agile spindle
can we pin comments
i feel like that would be a good thing to do on the ice dragon page
late island
why
agile spindle
to remind people to follow the guidelines and remain civil
cinder kestrel
If Tom gets back to us and says he wants to host the wiki, we can leave the comments behind.
agile spindle
tom?
wet wagon
Oh heck, that's me.
agile spindle
sage zinc
Hi (Sorry for my bad English)
cinder kestrel
Merging the Subnautica and Below Zero communities (something you're already obviously thinking about...we should talk about this more)
Solutions for spoilers (javascript and CSS solutions should be able to help here)
Dedicated, more reliable support from the Fandom side for the community
I also wanted to address one of the points you brought up, marketing or awareness of our other games. While I can see why this could be a benefit, I don't actually think it will be that impactful. We actually want our games/wikis/content part of larger communities that reach hundreds of millions of people (e.g. Discord, Twitter, Instragram, Steam, Fandom/Gamepedia, etc.). We believe that if we keep creating great games and continue to have the support of our fans, we'll actually do better in those environments where we can get our games in front of people that don't know about us yet.Ā
Also, I still don't think we want to fight theĀ SEOĀ challenge of moving the content from the Fandom platform to our own (while not being able to redirect the traffic). Given the long history of the Fandom/Wikia wiki, links and traffic...I think we'll end up in a place where the majority of Google searches will continue to go to Fandom, no matter how much we don't want it to.
Does that seem reasonable to you all? Let's touch base in a few months and see if things have improved? I think you'll like what you hear (and obviously want to know if you don't).
Thanks again.
Best,
Ted
ok
we should tell mira we are staying
and discuss whether we want to merge or not
fluid lagoon
tueman you're like the only person who wants to merge
we've even had random users tell us that they like them separate
agile spindle
we've also had random users tell us they want them combined
and im not the only one who favors merging
fluid lagoon
the robot doesn't count he's a robot
agile spindle
thats kind of unfair to sls
cursive vigil
Equal rights for all... things
agile spindle
Here are the pros:
- Easier to moderate a single feed rather than multiple.
- Easier to control content (E.G. using databanks from SN on BZ articles, or photos in general)
- More convenient to edit templates across the entire wiki rather than having to port every change.
- Combined userbase means higher viewcount and editor count as a whole.
- Information is easier to find because as it stands, the BZ wiki is not very visible from the SN wiki. Merging would make BZ information very easy to locate.
Keep in mind that we still don't know if we'll have a third game or even more. Ask yourself if you really see yourself wanting to moderate three wikis when two of them don't really need to be updated much anymore.
frail dragon
Here are the cons
- Confusingness to new visitors (and probably some of us a bit)
- People might edit the wrong page
- We'd have a lot of images, sounds, and other things to move
- Spoilers could become a problem (even though I guess most people come to the wiki because they don't care for spoilers)
Oh also "Information is easier to find because as it stands, the BZ wiki is not very visible from the SN wiki"... remember we do have that template that's like "This is ___ for Below Zero. Click here to see it on the Subnautica wiki"
agile spindle
2 & 3 are non-issues i think, because we should compare the benefits of doing it not the work it would take to do so as that is a short-term problem
and editing the wrong page is easily fixed
karmic oyster
BZ Wiki should just be heavily advertised and accessed on/from the SN wiki
I've noticed this as a new reader of that wiki, and I got kinda confused as to how to get to the BZ wiki from the SN wiki
frail dragon
it already is heavily advertised
on the front page, and nearly every single other page
and there's also a link in the navigation thing at the top
agile spindle
people ignore both of those
karmic oyster
Yeah I know that now, but when I was new to the wiki I didn't see any of that
I'm just saying this is what I remember observing
frail dragon
because it was added within the past month
agile spindle
no it was added before the game released
frail dragon
it was?
oh nvm
Lee23 01/31/2019: Thereās a link to the Below Zero wiki on like every wiki page
clever lion
So you'll stay on Fandom for now? š That's great news!
I don't have a vote in the matter, but for what it's worth, I also think merging the two wikis would serve the community better in the long run. Yes, it would be a lot of work (a one-time effort) and there are some open questions we'd have to find answers for, e.g. how to avoid duplicate content and still make it easy for people to find the info pertaining to the game they're looking for exactly. But at least in my experience, wikis that cover a whole franchise with multiple games tend to do better than ones with a more narrow focus. People who play one game and are already familiar on the wiki will like to come back to that same wiki when they start the next.
You'd likely rank better on Google as one combined community, and maintenance is a little less work in the long run
So if you're staying on Fandom, we'll want to discuss what exactly it is that you're not happy about in terms of customization or support, and then see what we can do. I'm not an expert on everything, but I can get you in touch with the right people on Fandom's community team who can go over potential CSS solutions etc. with you. And who could discuss possible ways to merge the two wikis, too.
late island
Well I guess we're staying
wasn't too unexpected
and no we're not merging the wiki
agile spindle
We should discuss it with everyone first
late island
I don't care about them sick internet views or whatnot
agile spindle
okay but there are other reasons on top of that and others may think differently
late island
templates are easy to move over
agile spindle
you arent the one doing that stuff even
late island
I've done template stuff before
the only issue I've encountered with having them separate is the image thing which is tedious anyway and would go faster if I wasn't the only one doing it.
agile spindle
moderating two wikis is already a pain when they could be one
what about when we have three wikis
late island
I still feel like the positives outweigh the negatives here
frail dragon
is this image good for the wiki?
agile spindle
its fine
agile spindle
i just updated the weather page with pictures
frail dragon
heck I'll just replace it with the old glacial basin infobox picture if that's ok
agile spindle
like 2 hrs ago
frail dragon
ok i heard terror from/of the deep play in the glacial basin ice lake thing
what is the biome officially called
frail dragon
the cave that leads to it
agile spindle
glacier
frail dragon
ok
agile spindle
what's wrong with it?
late island
I can't just view the full size on wikia I have to download it
agile spindle
probably something to do with the resolution
thats a tv screenshot if ever ive seen
cursive vigil
Itās a jpgā¦
frail dragon
What about it being a jpg?
frail dragon
It literally says .jpg
frail dragon
cursive vigil
frail dragon
This isnāt the place for questions about a jpg (but you should know what that is)... itās getting off topic
cursive vigil
jpg is just a image format
frail dragon
tv shot is literally a shot of a tv screen
now I must leave discord
for a short amount of time
cursive vigil
rude
cinder kestrel
These guys tried.
cursive vigil
Lmao
summer kindle
Ion tech
agile spindle
@late island please take this in the least bossy way possible but i made a list of transparencies we still need in case you are ever free/willing to do them https://subnautica-belowzero.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Needs_transparency
late island
oh no that's fine
summer kindle
@agile spindle why remove Shadow Lev attitude when we have confirmation that it is āthe reaper replacementā
summer kindle
What makes that outdated
late island
@agile spindle What do we need transparency on the Sea Truck modules for?
agile spindle
fragments
late island
We should probably move the Reefback and Shuttlebug eggs to the cut stuff page
karmic oyster
That would make sense
late island
Seeing as the SpyPenguin model is based on that first concept art I'd say it's official enough to be added to the concept art page
frail dragon
wait random question but I said "now I must leave discord for a short amount of time" then someone said they wished I were to have left for forever...
were they banned? I don't see any of their messages anymore
agile spindle
yeah that guy was banned for unrelated reasons
frail dragon
ok
edgy lagoon
@late island What are you doin' with all those icons by the way?
I've been wondering over the past few days.
late island
updating them to be more accurate and future-proof
edgy lagoon
Oh, I see.
If I may ask, what is the odd yellow boxes on your user page? What are they for?
They're quite difficult to read due to the pallet choice.
remote leaf
I think they are there to show the transparency of the icons
agile spindle
im not sure why he edited the css to make them yellow tho
since im fairly certain you can do that in html
cinder kestrel
It is still roleplaying even if they do not assume a specific role? In https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:193225 , they were acting as chefs in the realm of Subnautica.
Also, am I crazy to think https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:193250 is spam?
(That is the title)
edgy lagoon
That seems very spammy.
cinder kestrel
People acting as restaurateurs in-game. They say they are not roleplaying.
First, Unknown the anonymous broke a rule. The user then reposted it, thereby breaking the rule again, defying the decree of the moderator, and calling me a liar by saying my decree is a lie.
cinder kestrel
is sls pissed off?
Can you teach me how to do that?
First, Unknown the anonymous broke a rule. The user then reposted it, thereby breaking the rule again, defying the decree of the moderator, and calling me a liar by saying my decree is a lie.
But should I have gone through all the effort of responding, or should I have just not cared at all?
On the one hand, every part of me wanted to reply. On the other hand . . . I have no idea.
hallow basalt
can we just perma block unknown forever and ever to never see him again? thanks
late island
he needs an emotion chip upgrade to get pissed off
frail dragon
omg i was just going to say that he got a new emotion chip
summer kindle
Do we retake all fauna images in the new white void for consistency?
agile spindle
sounds like a lot of work
agile spindle
yes and blinding for everything else
summer kindle
Are we fine with some of the wiki having black backgrounds and the rest having white then
late island
turning clouds off helps
agile spindle
what does that do?
summer kindle
Damn the white void is gonna kill bioluminescence pics
Or is it
What does it look like at night down there?
remote leaf
@summer kindle https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Sebastian_the_reaper
Hey can you block this person, they been vadlizing the swim charge fin page
summer kindle
Done
remote leaf
edgy lagoon
Why do we have an Ion Based Items Disambiguation Page?
There is zero reason for it to exist.
I don't want to mess with it but it is seriously useless.
Also peeper is now mad at me because I commented on his and SLS' post about his thread getting locked.
cinder kestrel
can we just perma block unknown forever and ever to never see him again? thanks
Ah, but if I had done that, I would not have gotten both users to apologize.
Even though I told Peeper101 not to make multiple comments in a row . . .
agile spindle
Would it be a good idea to put blueprint source just above the recipe
i find a lot of people ignore the infobox
cinder kestrel
IvanDoomy, if you want, you can charge Peeper101 with spreading personal information about others without consent (see profile page of that user).
agile spindle
yes or no on the blueprint thing
velvet lion
i think ye
edgy lagoon
Do we even need a mountain biome disambiguation page?
agile spindle
no
edgy lagoon
Might wanna tell Unknown off again then
minor axle
wait no way ps4 have console commands?
YEAS
I CAN FINALLY MESS AROUND!
and spawn in reapers 100 of em
agile spindle
if you could confirm the console controls for us that'd be great since they never had it before now
minor axle
OK, BTW I finished sn already so is it bad if I use cheats
minor axle
Sony probs doesn't want cheats on sn so they will ban it quick
agile spindle
why would they ban it they literally just enabled it
minor axle
sony might not know
agile spindle
they do
agile spindle
those arent dev tools
edgy lagoon
@cinder kestrel Make it three in a row now.
He commented again for no reason.
Is the Spike Trap a Fauna or Flora (in Subnautica OG)
agile spindle
it was on the flora sheet
edgy lagoon
Got it. Thanks.
Added the Spike Trap to the Cut Content page.
This is the wiki channel
minor axle
Wait wrong chat
Sry
Does cheats on ps4 disable achievements because my cyclops was destroyed and I need a new one
cursive vigil
i think it does
minor axle
Crap
snow sail
I believe thereās a creature missing from the treespires page
I remember seeing it yesterday but I canāt remember which fish was missing :/
agile spindle
thatās helpful
the biome isnāt finished anyway so adding fauna is kind of a waste of time
snow sail
Thatās Fair but itās nice to have up to date info
turbid ermine
You're right. There is absolutely nothing which spawns there.
There is my up to date info.
open moat
agile spindle
ignis gets the spawning info straight from game files so i would expect his information to be more correct
you're likely seeing fauna wander into the biome
snow sail
on the wiki page yesterday it said "glow whale and hoopfish" upon loadinga new save (on stable) they can be found there
plus one more creature but, this result is different for the experimental build i would have to assume
remote leaf
@edgy lagoon i never remember the the cutefish ever being named cuttlefish
And that trivia about the eggs should stay as cuttlefish
edgy lagoon
I'm very certain they were
remote leaf
Since it is talking about the real life Cuttlefish
agile spindle
can you find a source anom
edgy lagoon
Oh
Okay well fix the eggs then, I'll try to find a source.
I'm certain that's what they were called at one pointn
remote leaf
I dont ever remember cuttlefish
Just cutefish and cuddlefish
@cursive vigil it wasnt just early access players
It was anyone who bought the special edition
Early access players were just gonna be given special edition for free
Of course this idea never went through
remote leaf
And so the OST and cutefish became available to all
edgy lagoon
Wonder why so many called it that on threads and such.
remote leaf
Because cuddlefish probably gets autocorrect to cuttlefish
And since it was originally named cutefish. I can see people mixing the names cutefish and cuddlefish together
summer kindle
Itās mainly down to autocorrect
The only names it has gone by are Qutefish (spelling error), Cutefish and Cuddlefish.
snow sail
Can someone check if silver still spawns in the basin
Iām not finding any where there used to be
agile spindle
it appears in the ore veins
snow sail
I can find those anymore
frail dragon
i havent actually seen any ore veins
snow sail
Theyāre not where they were last time I saw them
frail dragon
Is this known of? (the databank entry)
agile spindle
yes
snow sail
I canāt find ore veins where they were pre update
frail dragon
i've seen zero
snow sail
The only place I saw them was in this hidden area but theyāre gone now
I found them Nevermind
agile spindle
snow sail
They spawn in the cave where the plants light up when exposed to the flashlight
agile spindle
man that page needs an update bad
cinder kestrel
Even though I told Peeper101 not to make multiple comments in a row . . .
@edgy lagoon Or I can keep it "multiple" instead of changing to "three." Ha.
edgy lagoon
Good point.
polar lodge
you can spawn the warper in BZ so its either a placeholder or part of the game
agile spindle
no
polar lodge
i thought they changed it so you couldnt
polar lodge
i cant spawn crabsquids, reapers, reefbacks
edgy lagoon
He just explained why.
agile spindle
they remove stuff as they need the space
edgy lagoon
No?
agile spindle
sure seems like it
polar lodge
am i wrong
frail dragon
yay, no more anthomnia and dumb game journalism sites spawning reapers for their content and being misleading to new users
agile spindle
time to go through the list and delete things
frail dragon
those game journalism sites really annoy me
polar lodge
ik
polar lodge
it would make sense that warpers were in bz as there are alien facilities deep down in the ocean
agile spindle
there arent any plans to add them
polar lodge
they should and they should change the warpers directive to defending facilities
cinder kestrel
The table of contents for https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/Cut_Content needs a table of contents.
agile spindle
anom and lee didnt really listen to my warnings about the structure of the page so i kinda let them do whatever
frail dragon
what warnings?
agile spindle
when i said to do something about the headers
woven ravine
S
agile spindle
why is the survival knife page so empty
cursive vigil
It's not particularly exciting
agile spindle
okay, well there's nothing on the page about usage or what it does
agile spindle
you gonna keep being sarcastic or?
cursive vigil
...I wasn't?
All it does is stab and break outcrops quickly
And it's used for making the thermal blade
remote leaf
the page does mention it is used to collect flora
but it can be expanded on if needbe
agile spindle
the BZ page terran
cursive vigil
Couldn't you copy and paste the info over as it's the same thing?
snow sail
Glacial basin page doesnāt include the hoverpad fragment (I believe thereās also a floodlight in the biome too)
Snow fox page needs updated fragment image.
Snow fox page Doesnāt include the color customization that the hoverpad allows either
agile spindle
@snow sail wheres the floodlight
snow sail
I believe at the entrance of the cave that contains the plants that glow when exposed to light
Next to the box that contains a flashlight
agile spindle
no thats an led light
snow sail
I didnāt play much attention to it which is why I said I was unsure
frail dragon
aah this page is very outdated https://subnautica-belowzero.fandom.com/wiki/Alien_Research_Site_Zero
well kinda
agile spindle
not "very"
frail dragon
the infobox doesnt make sense to me
the two tabs at least
is the Alien Research Site Zero image and Shield Base image not the same base
or is it two different names for the upper/lower sections? if so, that's kind of confusing
agile spindle
we dont know
edgy lagoon
Why is he asking Tueman specifically?
hallow basalt
because he's active i guess
late island
We just need to mod the black void back in
agile spindle
if we do that then new editors probably cant make those pictures
idk how you got the white background but this is what i see
frail dragon
why is he asking when there's literally a wiki that he's on
late island
I mean it's not like new editors are doing any of this stuff
or at least they aren't doing it good
so who cares if it's just us
if anything that probably helps.
agile spindle
i think that kind of defeats the purpose of a community wiki
what happens when we are gone
cinder kestrel
If the game dies off and stops receiving new content by the time that we all stop working on the wiki, then we do not need to worry.
Otherwise, we will leave the "global warming" of future issues on the wiki to the next generation. At least, those seem to be our options currently.
late island
when we're gone they'll make do if they need to
agile spindle
how baby-boomer of you
anyway, none of us have the know-how to mod that in, i think
late island
Hey Thom's not here right now
but forgive me for my less than stellar opinion of new editors
cinder kestrel
We could put in more effort to attract good editors and raise other users up to be good.
late island
it's not like we constantly have to monitor new people and revert their edits only for them to come back with the same bad ones as before
agile spindle
yeah but purposefully making it harder for them to edit doesnt really encourage them to do any better
late island
Ideally I'd have left that trusted people restriction on permanently
or at least until v1.0
agile spindle
im sorry but how is that not an elitist point of view dino
late island
listen I don't want to be an elitist
I really don't
but we get a competent new editor once in a blue moon
cinder kestrel
Ideally I'd have left that trusted people restriction on permanently
Except that would be illegal to do. Oh, well.
late island
yeah exactly
agile spindle
we get few good editors because we seem to make it as hard as possible for editors to find our wiki
agile spindle
We ignore everything except the information
late island
huh
agile spindle
main page, discussions, navigation, out the window
cinder kestrel
We are not very helpful at telling users how to be good. Alternatively, we could--hang on, I know a help article I want to reference.
late island
yeah because it's the SN community and those are just garbage piles
frankly I don't think advertising it to more people is a good idea
considering, once again, this is the SN community we're talking about
agile spindle
What is the point of compiling information on the game in one place if your ideal situation is for no one to see it?
cinder kestrel
Let's create a scenario here where a user isn't formatting a page correctly. Perhaps there are certain items that need to be italicized or maybe there are specific spelling and grammar rules (American English vs. British English, for example) as there are on Star Wars Fanon. Letās take at one way an admin could talk to a user about that:
Hello. Please read our article guidelines. Your recent edits have not followed our rules, and you need to read them and follow them when you make your next edits. Further infractions may lead to an official warning from an administrator, or you may be blocked for a short time. Thank you for your cooperation.
Here is another way:
Hi there! I've been following some of your edits and you've done a really good job so far, but there are a few things that could use some improvement so that they follow our article guidelines. First you want to make sure that you are using the preferred spelling. We use American English here, so a word like āarmourā should be spelled āarmorā in articles. I know the rules can seem overwhelming, but I'm here to help. Feel free to leave me a message whenever you want, and I'll be happy to lend a hand. Thanks!
late island
I want people to see it, not mess with it
late island
then again if we are staying on fandom might as well just shill all over the place
can only go down hill from here, so maybe I'm just trying to delay the inevitable
agile spindle
What's the inevitable?
late island
a general worsening of the wiki and it's content
agile spindle
We have enough mods and admins that the quality stays the same/increases pretty consistently
i dont see this impending doom that you predict from more popularity
agile spindle
I think i just dont really understand your end goal here
late island
I remember when I enjoyed reading this discord
but then people kept piling in
and soon we got a very increased number of "disruptive" types let's say
and now this place is kind of a trashfire
the more of the SN community that piles into the wiki the more it's going to get out of hand and the more we're going to get less quality edits
agile spindle
if you hate the community this much what is enticing about being the admin of a large community site?
late island
I mean to be honest I'll probably lay off the wiki after v1.0
I'm just here to inform people
once there's no new info to add, there's not much reason to stick around other than to watch it deteriorate
agile spindle
What if they announce SN2?
late island
I might work on that wiki then
I already barely touch the SN wiki aside from checking info myself
the only time I've really done anything since post v1.0's launch is the icons and some cut content stuff
I'll probably end up doing the same with the BZ wiki after it comes out
agile spindle
cant say im surprised
im just a little frustrated that our purposes and ideas are so polarized
late island
I can't spend my whole life on the wiki
agile spindle
no, and i dont think anyone should
i do feel like the staff on the wiki is dying already
thunder de-admined himself a few days ago
i just wonder what would happen with the SN2 wiki if we happened to not be here anymore
late island
I guess we'd just end up with fandom staff and rando SN fans bumbling around with it
end up as another "mildly informative" wiki
agile spindle
which wouldnt be necessary if we hadnt gone through such heavy measures to inhibit new editors
late island
if you just want that to start happening with the current wiki by all means
go ahead
agile spindle
want what to start happening?
late island
It's not like I owe anything to fandom that makes me want to keep the wiki all nice and up to date and fully informative
agile spindle
no, but i dont think its helpful to anyone to make it so progress can only happen while you're still here
late island
we aren't even like that now
anyone can edit the wiki
people talk about it all the time
agile spindle
i mean youre going on about stopping people from editing
late island
I don't think I'd ever be able to go through with that
agile spindle
hows anyone supposed to know how to handle the wiki if you discourage them from learning
agile spindle
we got ivan pretty recently, he seems to know what he's doing
what im not a fan of is when people join the discord to help and you tell them we mostly have stuff handled and they dont really need to do anything
late island
listen
I'll be honest here
I was only saying that to try and tell them to leave in the nicest way possible
from my point of view I'm confused as to why you encourage these people
agile spindle
for all the reasons i said
future-proofing the wiki and building the community
I'd love to see people discussing subnautica constantly in our discussions (assuming fandom made it better)
late island
yes I too like to see people at the age of 10 pretend to be cuddlefish
agile spindle
we cant really get intelligent viewers and editors if you tell everyone you dont want them there
late island
I don't say it to everyone
if they seem like a good fit for the wiki by all means join us
agile spindle
to me, it sounds like a "good fit" is someone that already knows how to do everything
late island
not that they don't know how to do anything
just that they know enough to not mess things up
I'd rather not babysit and clean up after people when possible
agile spindle
no one can join and instantly do everything perfectly
you arent the only one moderating you know
late island
so?
agile spindle
so if you dont want to watch wiki activity constantly dont
let us pick up the slack
just dont tell people off for trying to help
late island
when I first started editing I made sure not stick my nose in other people's business
get a feel for how everything works first
late island
maybe my standards are too high and I should just let whoever in
I just don't want those thousands of hours I've poured into the wiki to be for nothing
agile spindle
anyway uh
the backgrounds
no one here knows how to mod
so do we let them be inconsistent or retake everything
late island
I don't know
minor axle
I'll look for more ps4 stuff
I discovered if you press l1 and r1 on the same time while the game is paused it gives you a quick command thing
I can't believe that actually worked
frail dragon
Ok uh you were talking about the backgrounds
I do know how to mod, I have already gotten pretty far into one
But weād really have to look into where in the code the fog is... hopefully the fog colors are stored in a script and isnāt something set in the editor
minor axle
Any people who has a wikia acc u should update the ps4 console commands thing because I found another way to enable them while paused press l1 and r1 in the same time for quick commands
I'll show proof if u want
cursive vigil
why do we need to do it?
minor axle
Ppl might not know
cursive vigil
you can also create your own account, because it's much faster
minor axle
no
cursive vigil
if you don't you'll just have to wait until somebody comes across that actually does what you asked, and the message might be buried under alot of others
minor axle
I mean I could create a acc but I can't
cursive vigil
why can't you create an account?
remote leaf
Im currently eating so i cant really add it because mobile wikia is unpredictable sometimes
bitter geyser
Wouldnāt it be on there anyway? Since it functions the same way as xbox
agile spindle
the buttons are different
bitter geyser
Fair. I meant more by the fact xbox is on there so PS4 should be as well
late island
is there some kind of program that I could just input these coords into to and have something placed on the map
agile spindle
out of date though
i vaguely remember google drive having some sort of coordinate grid program, might be google drawings or something
late island
I could check that out
late island
haven't seen it there so far
frail dragon
oh and also apparently the constructor used to be like a whole base that floated on the surface of the water
summer kindle
the snap was actually a thing? never knew it got that far in development
although that isn't particularly far
summer kindle
are you going to add it to cut content then?
frail dragon
the very old PDA sounded... aggressive
edgy lagoon
Add the snap to cut content if we have evidence it even existed: aka the image you sent.
I'll make an image for the right side for it out of it's concept art.
cursive vigil
The prawn suit voice is reassuring
sage zinc
whats the narwal
cursive vigil
A swimming thing with a unicorn horn
cinder kestrel
Now, if somebody fixed my fix to the fix . . .
edgy lagoon
Lmao
agile spindle
what happens when you need a picture of something bigger than the shield base
cursive vigil
could this image be put in the rocket ice shelf section in the cut content page
agile spindle
why
cursive vigil
well i think it's the only image we have of it
if you go to the co-ordinates in the picture it's just a big empty space, indicating it was removed
agile spindle
it says ice sheet
cursive vigil
yeah but that thing on the left seems to be a part of the rocket dock thing
an incomplete part though
agile spindle
can you prove that it is the rocket ice shelf?
cursive vigil
I think i can, the favro card I found it on a while ago said it was the rocket ice shelf but i'll go and see if i can find the card again
cursive vigil
well they seemed to have removed the card. but i mean if this isn't the rocket ice shelf, then what is it? It has pengwings and honeycomb plants, and what is clearly a corner of the rocket dock
agile spindle
maybe they moved the island
cursive vigil
the ground is clearly ice in the picture, so it's part of the ice sheet. it matches every detail in the description for the rocket ice shelf
agile spindle
the ground is ice on the island too
cursive vigil
the ground on the island is rock/sand, covered in snow. there are no ice chunks, which can be clearly seen in the picture
agile spindle
if we cant prove it 100% then it cant go on the page
cursive vigil
ok
well if the image that can't be added then i have something else with more evidence
the cut content page says the rocket ice shelf was removed for "unknown reasons"
but according to this card:
"Evaluate rocket location in world for progression timing"
it seems to be due to progression
agile spindle
kk ill add that, thanks
cursive vigil
šš» happy to help
gaunt igloo
Snowfox base needs an edit
agile spindle
so edit it
agile spindle
well we donāt write those
gaunt igloo
I am surprised they made the said the wrong controls
late island
I'm not
agile spindle
i bet tom changed his control setup and then wrote the databank with those controls
controls shouldnāt be in the databank anyway
gaunt igloo
Yep. Also my edit summery in rubies, don't fix the titles they are fixed. Its just they looked broken in preview
@agile spindle you presume that the adding the large room sentence. That wasn't it. I was fixing the snow fox link because i didn't make sense.
Also i have been there and i could scan a snowfox fragment
agile spindle
i donāt put fragments in scannables because only biomes have fragments
and they donāt spawn in the base anyway
and you messed up the link
edgy lagoon
Is the wiki in American English or British English?
fluid lagoon
american
edgy lagoon
Oh okay.
fluid lagoon
@bronze pivot stop doing that you clown
bronze pivot
I need the images
agile spindle
what images
bronze pivot
I'm posting the emotes to download its image and then I delete it
agile spindle
do it elsewhere
bronze pivot
Where can I do it?
agile spindle
find a different server
cursive vigil
Come to mine xd
gaunt igloo
Also according to somebody on the tools page they implemented the metal detector
fluid lagoon
we know
gaunt igloo
The page doesn't have an edit
agile spindle
so edit it
gaunt igloo
OK
agile spindle
@late island can you spot the icon for the metal detector please
late island
in the files?
agile spindle
do we rename the page?
late island
sure
summer kindle
Is this gonna be another SLSbot job
Although I doubt the Hoverpad is mentioned in that many places
agile spindle
no
agile spindle
so are we using the void as it is currently?
i have no problem witht hat, just checking
ruby lantern
Hows the prawn suit in console?
iron igloo
PS4 it is fine; however, sometimes leaving the moonpool, you will slip through the ground and I think I have reached 9000+ meters
About 1/40 times leaving the moonpool
frail dragon
Why are you asking here
cursive vigil
^
cursive vigil
Spawn exosuit
frail dragon
Why are you saying that here
karmic oyster
To spawn a prawn suit duh
cinder kestrel
(Lee23 is asking why you are saying it here instead of in #subnautica-chat )
frail dragon
āTo spawn a prawn suit duhā
It is very obvious that Spawn exosuit spawns a prawn suit. But I wasnāt asking what Spawn exosuit meant. I was instead asking why someone would choose to say something that is out of context and in the wrong channel. There was no reason to include āduhā in your sentence.
If anything, the āduhā in your statement made it sound like you were trying to be āVee-ishā (I forgot the exact word to describe it) but it didnāt really get the point across
agile spindle
lee you are making it worse
frail dragon
Ok
cinder kestrel
"S0 w4t E3vEE woLb 1 Be3?"
For the fun of it, I want to translate this message from a comment on the wiki. "So what ever would I be?"?
Context.
edgy lagoon
Mega Evolution Spadefish
gleaming island
pokemon corrupts americans understanding of evolution
cursive vigil
so basically peepers are pokemon
i would love to let my peeper battle with an eevee
static nimbus
A peeper is basically Magikarp but faster
cursive vigil
and actually useful
static nimbus
Yeah lol
edgy lagoon
Unknown undose a perfectly fine edit that fixed grammar.
Unknown tells another person to read the guidelines directly after
heady gulch
Hmmm
hallow basalt
unknown has exactly 0 working brain cells
merry tiger
whom
cursive vigil
Ok
edgy lagoon
When I get the chance, I'm going o a crusade and adding audio to every fauna on the SN Wiki like it's done on the BZ Wiki.
Advertising a Discord is against the rules right?
On the wiki I mean
agile spindle
that is already done anom
agile spindle
i will leave this concept for multi-page articles here https://subnautica-belowzero.fandom.com/wiki/User:Tueman/Flashlight_(SN)
frail dragon
It will need some improvement
cinder kestrel
Well.
agile spindle
why doe he ask on the wiki when he's in the discord
cinder kestrel
Presumably because it is more convenient to post on the wiki when it is already open while Discord is closed.
agile spindle
every one of these is the same thing
dreamy bear
<@&85343211593166848> sigh...
agile spindle
@late island i dont know if you saw this one
late island
oh that was added
agile spindle
it's the frosted leaves plant I think, under the name "icy_palm"
late island
I'll have to get the image for it
agile spindle
special mod that we cant give you
cursive vigil
ok
grave thicket
hello guys, I need your help, well my game is bugged and I can not get my steal (I do not know the name) because it's bugged, and I was thinking of deleting the save before it was like this
agile spindle
grave thicket
tnks
hushed eagle
Š²ŃŠµŠ¼ ŠæŃŠøŠ²ŠµŃ ŠµŃŃŃ ŃŃŃŃŠŗŠøŠµ?
merry tiger
@hushed eagle
#sn-discord-rules Rule 8
remote leaf
. . .
fluid lagoon
why
gleaming island
why
edgy lagoon
We don't have a page on the Kharaa on the BZ wiki. Would you like me to copy the Subnautica page over?
edgy lagoon
I know it's different but we have no page for the Kharaa at all.
agile spindle
@edgy lagoon are you editing the page
remote leaf
What
heady gulch
š¤
cursive vigil
š¤
edgy lagoon
@agile spindle I only added like one thing. Did I screw it up on accident?
edgy lagoon
Wait which one? The Kharaa?
agile spindle
yes
edgy lagoon
I haven't gotten around to fixing it yet.
agile spindle
really shouldnt be publishing a page in that state if you dont intend to fix it immediately
edgy lagoon
Oh
I'm sorry then, didn't know that's how it wss.
Won't do it again.
I'll be sure to fix it if nobody else does.
Is anyone else planning on editing it?
If not I'll start in 5th period.
edgy lagoon
Updated the page to have an overview section with present information, will continue in a minute
frail dragon
Anom do you still have the placeholder chart on the cut content page
Now maybe a placeholder for a few hours or maybe a day is ok but for that long... not so much
edgy lagoon
I never got around to adding the signals. Remove it or add the signals, I'll get to it once I get a break. Hopefully I remember this weekend.
frail dragon
you had a break
edgy lagoon
And I spent it enjoying my life instead of being confined to a school. I forgot about the wiki.
cursive vigil
Yeah you don't have to spend every free second you have on the wiki
remote leaf
yes we do
edgy lagoon
I watch it every second because everything else is banned on school wifi.
frail dragon
our school wifi banned all supercell games, youtube, etc
oh and fortnite
but i dont know why they ban supercell games and not like 18+ websites and stuff
cursive vigil
Why do you know that 18+ websites aren't banned ...
cinder kestrel
Because this is #šwiki-discussion .
edgy lagoon
What was the name of the update that everyone calls the "Skittles Update"?
Trying to find it for a trivia.
I went ahead and added the Triva but didn't link to the update.
summer kindle
it didn't have a name, it was just an experimental version update
not a stable update
summer kindle
seems to have been version 46346
edgy lagoon
Could I mention that on the Update History page in Trivia, or no since it was an experimental update?
summer kindle
probably just in the QEP page trivia that you added
edgy lagoon
Got it, thanks.
frail dragon
is it worth noting that the Fade's arms from NS2 might have been what the Warper arms are made of?
fluid lagoon
are you asking if a creature that likely didn't even exist before SN and BZ is what the warpers are made of
frail dragon
and the icon of Fade is its arms and that resembles the warpers even more
cursive vigil
warper claws are blue and have bioluminescence, and that creature doesnt have such claws
frail dragon
Yes but they genetically modified the warper
Also color isnāt really used by classification in creatures... because it can always be different even within the same species, like a brown dog and a spotted dog
Iām not saying it is related to warpers, Iām only saying that you canāt say something isnāt something else because the color
Like how growing tomatoes are different colors like green and donāt turn red until later
Ugh why am I talking to myself
cursive vigil
hmm they could have changed the color of it
but i dont think they used this thing's arms for the warpers though
edgy lagoon
Especially since the arms are likely a mutation brought on by the Kharaa, not from before.
cinder kestrel
(Finally realized that you guys were discussing the lore and not the model/inspiration)
edgy lagoon
I added some lightning and rain images to the Weather section, and it only took me two edits.
remote leaf
@agile spindle https://subnautica-belowzero.fandom.com/wiki/Spotted_Dockleaf I'm assuming this guy means the spotted Spotted Reeds Relative, which if that is the case, the page should be deleted since it is just a poorly made duplicate
late island
Finally got the Purple Vents gallery to a nice place
agile spindle
isnt it still a wip
lone radish
no
lone radish
if the deadline for it passed than it's probably done.
agile spindle
no it isnt done
cory said they couldnt finish in time so they published what they had and will continue to work on it
velvet cloud
vee is a gamer girlā¢: are you asking if a creature that likely didn't even exist before SN and BZ is what the warpers are made of
Ok even if we ignore the arms for a second.. they both teleport / disappear into an ether
agile spindle
is this...information or a theory? š¤
velvet cloud
I mean I can't say for certain given my memory.. but I am pretty sure the warper concept was based loosely on the fade. It's also pretty obvious if you ask me. But nahh I wouldn't enter it into any official records like wiki or anything.
That requires a real lore background source š
agile spindle
haha of course
cursive vigil
Why are you asking here ..
minor axle
Wikia
open moat
f
summer kindle
Shadow Lev is gonna be the first creature to have its gallery images fully in the white void
The end of an era
frail dragon
milk leviathan
oh btw you cant see the shadow leviathan sketchfab model on the wiki anymore
frail dragon
yeah
agile spindle
how do you get the white void? i only see the unity background
which tbh i like better
agile spindle
yes the default unity background
looks fine imo
not blinding and easy to make out details
late island
but you know we can still take it with a black background
agile spindle
doesnāt the create thing only work for small objects
late island
works for anything that's a prefab
that's how I got all those crashed ship cubes in the back of that one pic
agile spindle
yeah but using the big black thing as a background only works for objects smaller than it
shadow leviathan is not smaller than it
late island
not if you put down multiple
agile spindle
doesnt that make it impossible for new editors to make the photos tho
late island
it's not gonna be a thing forever anyway as far as I know
agile spindle
what isnt
late island
the crashed ship with the messed up lighting
agile spindle
so what do we do instead
normal void background? it looks good imo
pic vivi took with the new background
fluid lagoon
purdy
late island
it works
as long as I'm not the only one actually making an effort to update all of the old pics I'm fine with it
agile spindle
i mean i would help but you tend to remove my pictures
late island
if they're good pictures I don't care
and if they're not outdated I don't care
I barely remember pictures even coming from you.
late island
I just legit don't remember what pictures you've uploaded
agile spindle
well to be fair no one really looks at who uploaded the pictures they replace
but thats neither here nor there
technically it's still like this at night
as long as the moon is behind you
late island
yeah but then it's got night lighting
agile spindle
oh tru
late island
I don't use stream screenshots
edgy lagoon
If the page on the Spanish wiki doesn't exist, should we not have the link to it?
summer kindle
Well no I guess
edgy lagoon
So should I undo Unknown's edit? He added one to the Sea Emperor Leviathan, but that page doesn't exist on the Spanish wiki. It's virtually a useless link.
Nevermind, Tueman got it.
hallow basalt
@edgy lagoon That undo you did on the ILZ page about the deep shroom being listed as a resource has been discussed before and it has been applied to other biome pages that have deep shrooms/acid mushrooms. If I recall correctly, Bovine asked either in here or on the wiki about adding those so I'd mention it here before undoing that edit.
hallow basalt
it is odd but some people seem ok with it
edgy lagoon
Guess I'll go along with it.
hallow basalt
if you want.
edgy lagoon
I don't, but will I have a choice?
hallow basalt
just ask here and wait for some wiki staff to let you do the change i guess
edgy lagoon
chilly grove
I apologise in getting a little shirty regarding undoing my Flora edits. The problem is the distinction of what is resource and what is plant. If parts of a plant can be listed under resources because it is used in fabrication, then why not the whole plant if it can indeed be harvested whole?
Similarly, a seed is part of the plant and an egg one lifecycle of fauna. I tended to interpret Flora & Fauna as "what species you can find here" and resources as "What harvestable items can I find here".
agile spindle
IMO "Deep Mushroom" is both a resource and a flora
in the context of biome tabbers
chilly grove
That was what I was thinking too. Visually it is flora found in a biome, yet you can pick the entire thing and keep it in a locker to be used whole in fabrication. Ergo, resource.
hallow basalt
technically, it makes sense. aesthetically, not much since you repeat the same thing twice on the page.
hallow basalt
technically, you're correct
anyway, i just didn't want you two to get into an edit war or something like that
chilly grove
I wasn't about to go too far. I did end up here to discuss it after all. Especially when it's the second time in days that someone undone it.
agile spindle
@edgy lagoon was the guy you were discussing with right
hallow basalt
it does look odd since it's only the two mushrooms that are put under both resource and flora
chilly grove
And gel sack.
hallow basalt
true
chilly grove
And yes, anomgay was the second editor to undo.
One of your discussion moderators was the first.
agile spindle
probably terran
hallow basalt
it was terran
if more people happen to keep undoing it, is it even worth keeping it at that point?
agile spindle
it is if you discuss it with them
chilly grove
Only that I've already done the rest of the biomes and they stuck.
hallow basalt
well
the ILZ does have one single flora
so I'd believe people would see the deep shroom sticking out in the tabs more than in any other page
chilly grove
I only found that I missed the ILZ because I found individual copper ores and was checking whether the wiki included it. And yeah, the Deep Shoom is obvious and probably why it got so much attention.
chilly grove
Yeah, but the copper ore is weirder because it is bugged.
The ores "drop" when you approach them.
hallow basalt
just like those two purple pinecones in the eastern mushroom forest
oh
well yeah that's a bug
chilly grove
Yeah, only some make it to the seafloor on my system (low-end probably increases clipping issues).
So many players may not see them at all because they can drop though the terrain and disappear.
hallow basalt
you should take a look at the boulders near the safe shallows caves entrances
once you unload the area and load it again, the boulders will clip through the floor
chilly grove
It happens with the boulders in the Grassy Plateaus as well.
I've had them clip through the floor and land in the Jellyshroom cave in the Western zone.
Basically I've been scouring all the biome maps and pulling every resource I find. It's why I've been concentrating on the ILZ at the moment. Mostly it's just for fun, but it also serves to check the Wiki at the same time.
hallow basalt
I think I've done that already but double-checking won't hurt.
chilly grove
Well I did find the copper ores. XD
The titanium ore on the pillars stay stuck, but those copper ones needs stronger glue.
chilly grove
Is the increase of terrain clipping due to the map design down there, or is it a performance-related issue?
hallow basalt
i doubt it's performance
tried it on multiple saves
the water fog also changes so
agile spindle
is this still wiki related
hallow basalt
kind of
frail dragon
I think itās because cave biomes are based on like shapes and stuff and the surface biome is the grassy plateaus
So if thereās a hole in the ILZ biome volume then itās the surface biome
chilly grove
@agile spindle Sorry boss. I have a bad habit of derailing.
I'll pop off before I get the urge to discuss more off-topic things. Cheers guys!
fluid lagoon
why does the teleportation module still not have any updated images
agile spindle
last i checked it didnt have the model
fluid lagoon
it has had it for a few days
fluid lagoon
guess you haven't checked for a few days
agile spindle
sue me
fluid lagoon
$1
edgy lagoon
@chilly grove While, yes, the Deep Shrooms and Acid Mushrooms are both considered "Resources" they are primarily Flora. Resources are often categorized specifically, meaning objects actually labeled as a resource. Having Deep Shrooms and Acid Mushrooms in more than a single category not only can be slightly confusing, but makes little sense. I would consider that Flora categorization takes priority over resourceful benefits the object may provide. It seems illogical to have the same object appear twice. On top of that, it would seem very odd to classify it as a Resource instead of it's legitimate classification: Flora.
In your response, you said; "You might also consider the bizarre decision to allow seeds and eggs as resources not just flora and fauna." This, however, can be chalked up to the fact that seeds and eggs"are resources, as they have application, however are not individually separate from resources. If there was an eggs section or a seeds section made separate, I would have no issues with moving them there. I merely am having issues with the fact that Deep Shrooms and Acid Mushrooms are primarily Flora, yet are being put under the Resources section.
I do fully understand your issues with my ideas. It is the hard part of having a wiki everyone can contribute to: conflicting ideals. My logic clearly doesn't match yours, and I am fully okay with that. If the staff are on your side, I cannot deny them. It isn't my place to. I fully understand if you are still mad, and I am terribly sorry for doing it without conversing with Discord and discussing the matter. I will do my best to not pull this again, and hope, after this is sorted out, we can put this behind us.
Hope this clears things up a bit.
(Sorry for the text wall lmao)
agile spindle
christ
hallow basalt
quality text wall
cinder kestrel
These flora are flora more than they are resources.
Seeds and eggs are different from their sources and so deserve to be "resources."
IWe the wiki keepers have the final say when users have varying opinions.
agile spindle
what about when wiki keepers have varying opinions
hallow basalt
oh boy here we go again
edgy lagoon
Then all our heads explode and we just die.
polar lodge
why does the wiki say the sparse arctic is 0-100m when ive found the biome goes down to 140?
agile spindle
so change it
polar lodge
polar lodge
i thought i needed an account
agile spindle
well you do need an account
polar lodge
also there are two different glacier biome
agile spindle
whatya mean by that
polar lodge
There is Glacier and glacier, is Glacier the cave biome and glacier the underwater biome?
agile spindle
we treat them as the same thing
chilly grove
@edgy lagoon Accepted. My response was over the top and I hope you accept my apology for that.
<snip> I'll forgo my repeat discussion of the topic that I was just wording. At this point it's just redundant to repeat myself. If all you guys reach consensus and decide to change all the biomes back to not listing these as resources I'll respect that and won't make a fuss, but until then please leave the ILZ edit as I had it so that at least we have all the pages the same until then.
summer kindle
Shadow Lev pics are hard
I tried for ages and did not once see a time where its body was straight
agile spindle
i think that picture is fine
cursive vigil
yeah it looks fine
summer kindle
Thatās the only one I had