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#šwiki-discussion
summer kindle
heady gulch
Just an idea though
late island
That'd work
summer kindle
You can redo these pics there Xeno
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/subnautica-arctic/images/c/c5/Pengwing_Sizeref.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20190130181027
heady gulch
Iām heading to school soon, Iāll try to get the pics done when I return
pure thistle
Im going to get a pic for chelicerate if there isnt one already
pure thistle
ok
agile spindle
why is all the cool stuff only doable through css that i canāt change
clever lion
The offer to have someone from Fandom's tech team talk with you about what you want to customize still stands - assuming you want to stay on Fandom. We wouldn't want to go through elaborate customizations only to have the wiki abandoned after, because that would make it harder for any remaining editors to maintain it. Our staff would want to know what you intend to change, so we can decide if it's sensible and worth an exception to our rules. Sometimes users want to change things that would really make the wiki better or give it more personality, which we haven't allowed in recent years for various reasons, but could make an exception for now.
Sometimes they just want to change stuff because it feels cool to be able to change stuff. If it's the latter, we may still say no. If it's the former, our tech team can review if you've found the best possible way to code it. This is mainly to make sure anything you change also works for mobile users and doesn't have unwanted side effects
agile spindle
just to clarify we would need to provide the coding for your tech team to add our requests?
clever lion
You can do your own coding, yes, they'd just want to know a) what you're trying to do, and if it's sensible b) how you're going to do it. If you've already made changes in the past and they were reverted, but you'd still really like to implement that, a link to the diff would be good enough for them to take a look.
agile spindle
Can we request small features/changes without looking into how to execute them first?
clever lion
You could. No point in writing a bunch of code if it's not something Fandom could allow. For the past couple of years, we've reverted or forbidden customizations for two main reasons: Either they were unproductive in some way (making it harder for mobile users to read or access something, obstructing functionalities, or just plain ugly) or they violated our customization policy (which is very strict and doesn't allow any changes to the header, etc. which we've had to enforce even it the changes looked good or worked well). If the only reason for reverting a past change or not allowing an intended change is the customization policy, but it's otherwise a good idea, then we can let you go ahead and have an exception with staff approval
agile spindle
gotcha
cursive vigil
Does it annoy anyone else how the wiki will occasionally force you to allow notifications or it won't let you see the page?
agile spindle
What notifications?
cursive vigil
On mobile. It sends you to a page that tells you to allow notifications and it won't let you hit back to get back to the page
And a "allow notifications from (page name)" prompt shows up
agile spindle
ive never had that happen tbh
cursive vigil
It also likes to send me to those "you won a new phone!" Virus pages
But it's only on some pages
On others it doesn't
Which is weird
cursive vigil
I can't remember what page it was
hybrid bear
@cursive vigil I encounter those a lot. Just exit out of them. Apparently you need to get rid of cookies on the wikis and it should stop them but Iām not sure if thatās true.
And these happen on any page
agile spindle
š¤
fluid lagoon
wat
agile spindle
whatās too obvious
hallow basalt
lol
minor axle
broke the wiki keeper chain
agile spindle
@clever lion can we disable moving/renaming pages for non-mods? itās very frustrating to deal with moved pages when a user shouldnāt have done it
clever lion
That should be possible. Are you having trouble with vandals or just plain incompetent users?
agile spindle
incompetent users
we had a user move a page completely incorrectly, then another user recreated the original page and deleted the new, completely canning the page history
and just now another user moved a page without discussing it with anyone
clever lion
If you're sure this change will prevent more damage than it will prevent productive changes, I'm sure we can adjust the user group rights on the wiki
agile spindle
yes, iām positive
users do not need to move pages so often that they should be able to do it without mod permission
clever lion
That's fair. I'll see if we can change it
agile spindle
oh and i know itās kind of a hassle but can you try to change it on both our wikis?
sorry about that
clever lion
Yes, it shouldn't be much harder to make this change on both rather than just one
It should be done - please let me know if you find it's not working as expected
agile spindle
okay, thank you
agile spindle
https://subnautica-belowzero.fandom.com/wiki/User:Tueman/Test2#Sounds i got this to work
i think we can use it for a fabricator-like menu for the home page as well
agile spindle
yeah itās not obvious
at least not for that use of it
iāll probably whip up a template for it for the sounds and then work on the navigation page directly to try to do something cool
agile spindle
what do you mean?
agile spindle
https://subnautica-belowzero.fandom.com/wiki/Template:NavigationTest home page menu concept
late island
would it be possible to have the image change while hovered over?
frail dragon
whoa i like that
agile spindle
@cinder kestrel I need help with html/css
agile spindle
too quotable
summer kindle
Youāre right because I was about to press the screenshot button and then it changed
agile spindle
saved
late island
well now I need to know
cinder kestrel
What you need?
agile spindle
so there's supposed to be an image here
from these classes
but the image wont show up no matter what i do
I got the HTML/CSS from this thread https://community.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:957621
cinder kestrel
I do not know.
agile spindle
hm ok
turbid ermine
pointer is invalid.
agile spindle
I see a lot of people using it
regardless, I had it as "no-repeat" before and that caused the same issue
as per the example i got it from
turbid ermine
turbid ermine
Your rule is in load.php.
agile spindle
does the image change when you hover over it?
turbid ermine
Yup.
agile spindle
Hm okay
turbid ermine
White circle?
agile spindle
I've changed it in the CSS, I'll wait for the cache to update and check again
I don't know, I just used the image dino gave me
thanks for the help though
agile spindle
@late island Since you've seen the audio button thing what do you think of it? If it's good I'll turn it into a template and change all other sounds tables to use it
Though I'm not sure exactly what the change you made to it did
late island
it'd work yeah
agile spindle
cool
agile spindle
actually i don't know that I can template this
unless I were to template the whole table which would be kind of a pain
so I'll just have to copy/paste
pale scroll
i love the style of the subnautica famdom wiki, would be awesome if all wikipedia would be designed like that (or if the scanner tool really existed and you can scan anything an read about it lol)
agile spindle
i think the wiki is too in depth for the scanner tool to link to it lol
I am trying to make the wiki look a little more like the game
pale scroll
i mean in reallife if something like a scanner tool existed and you could scan any plant or insect or whatever and it would link you to the page in subnautica-wiki style xD just immagination
agile spindle
ohh
take a look at this
tell me what you think of it
the crafting section, specifically
pale scroll
is it a spoiler of below0?
agile spindle
no
pale scroll
so far ive not whatched a single bit of it because i want to play it without spoliers lol
agile spindle
it's unfinished but there's no spoilers
pale scroll
awesome style with this dropout
im not informed on how it'd be possible, but adding the fabricator sound .....
agile spindle
Nah I don't like forcing sounds on people
I do want to make it change when hover over it though
pale scroll
so far still better then most wikis out there, the color scheme, the icons and the outlay ā beautiful
pale scroll
totally worth it, i enjoy reading things like these, even if there is no relation to reallife biology or so haha
agile spindle
I'm not sure how to link stuff from the builder dropdown
Cause I want to link to each of the 5 sections but we don't have pages for them
And I can't get the page link to open any of the tabbers
oak zenith
hey
you can't find cuddlefish
@young wraith you need to go inside one of alienw base and find egg at hatch it
young wraith
Where is the base?
paper flare
young wraith
Sorry
agile spindle
@hallow basalt whats the status of the databank page on the SN wiki?
agile spindle
how close is it to being done
hallow basalt
all databank entries excluding the command only entries
agile spindle
What about the "no headline" entries?
hallow basalt
those should be there as well
agile spindle
can you add the rest of the entries including the commands only ones?
i wanna do away with the data downloads page
agile spindle
oh so theyre not listed in the databank at all
summer kindle
Bloodgrass is command only
Just add them at the bottom in a section headed unimplemented entries or something
hallow basalt
k
agile spindle
Add them to where they are listed under
but in source put commands only or something
agile spindle
How would that help
summer kindle
Itād make more sense to me to just have them separate
agile spindle
people would look for them under they section they're in
hallow basalt
yeah but they're command only
agile spindle
that's what the source section is for
hallow basalt
yeah but i feel people would just look for stuff that's actually found through legit means
agile spindle
and they'll see it and in source it'll say "Not acquirable" or something
and they'll know they cant get it
hallow basalt
yeah i understand what you're trying to say.
but i feel like having stuff obtainable through gameplay and the other that's command-only in the same header could be a bit confusing
agile spindle
okay then at least sort them by section in the commands-only section
like Commands-Only as an H2 header, then Flora as an H3 header and bloodgrass under that
hallow basalt
i'll probably do that ya
there's a databank entry for scanning some part of the DRF that you apparently can get through normal means but it's bugged or something
agile spindle
bugged how?
hallow basalt
it says it on the script
like you can't scan it because the mesh doesn't work properly
agile spindle
The script says it's bugged?
hallow basalt
lemme look
agile spindle
if you can't get it treat it like commands only
hallow basalt
k
agile spindle
You can put the bugged thing in the trivia though if you want
hallow basalt
isn't mentioning bugs in the trivia against the rules?
or is this like a special case
hallow basalt
"Unable to set this one up reliably because room meshes are divided arbitrarily"
that's what it reads
agile spindle
does it say where it's supposed to be scanned?
hallow basalt
//LOST RIVER SCANNABLES
//Unable to set this one up reliably because room meshes are divided arbitrarily
"Ency_Precursor_LostRiverBase_StructuralDamage" : "Alien Facility Structural Damage",
"EncyDesc_Precursor_LostRiverBase_StructuralDamage" : "Given the physical strength of the construction material it is likely that visible structural damage to this facility is the result of its collapse to the sea floor, rather than erosion over time."
hallow basalt
k
minor axle
yellow train
analog rampart
Hey so Iād like to become a wiki keeper is that like a thing that can just happen, Iām willing to spend time editing the wiki just tell me what to do
agile spindle
That can definitely happen, you just need to show you're willing to put time in and improve/think logically about your edits
agile spindle
At the moment I'm not sure if there's any big thing that we need done, unless you want to come up with and execute a change across the wiki
Basic editing like grammar/spellcheck is always helpful though
a lot of pages are also missing images on the BZ wiki
analog rampart
Alright, can anyone edit?
agile spindle
you need an account to edit and there might be a short cooldown for new accounts
analog rampart
Ok
agile spindle
make sure to read this too https://subnautica-belowzero.fandom.com/wiki/Subnautica:_Below_Zero:Guidelines
analog rampart
Alright, thanks for your help
frail dragon
Afaik we havenāt had any new wiki keepers for a while
hallow basalt
onyx flower
new Wiki keepers can be nominated by the other Wiki Keepers
cinder kestrel
Check the description of that channel.
Or #below-zero-chat --your choice on the channel whose description you check.
Then ask in #subnautica-chat or #below-zero-chat , where such a question is relevant, not in #šwiki-discussion where a company employee popped in for a bit.
frail dragon
Iām assuming youāre talking to someone that deleted their messages or got banned and not talking to Obraxis
graceful pivot
no i just deleted my messages
cinder kestrel
You assume correctly.
agile spindle
Can we change Surface biomes to Aquatic biomes?
cursive vigil
honestly who writes that sexy in the subnautica below zero wiki???
goddamn it
its nice
agile spindle
where's that written?
cursive vigil
no, i meant it as interesting
and really detailed
which makes it fascinating
and who writes it???
its really interesting
and im prefering to read the wiki instead of playing the game, sorry for the misunderstanding tueman
agile spindle
i dont really write descriptions though
cursive vigil
i just went to buy snacks
10 min ago
to continue my reading
xdd
ty for the amazing wiki
agile spindle
we do our best š
swift vault
Is it canon that gasopods are a evolved khara?
swift vault
From a friend
agile spindle
your friend is messing with you
bitter geyser
Well, the disease is a disease, bacteria. Whereās the gasopod is basically a permanently underwater hippo whoās farts can kill you
swift vault
Isnāt natural selection and subnautica in the same universe though
swift vault
And in natural selection the khara have evolved to organic beings instead of a bacteria
swift vault
Fair enough
fluid lagoon
why are you asking the wiki discussion channel and not google
near otter
Sry..... I read it here...i thought i would get more info here
frail dragon
I feel like the Cut Content page is getting terrible edits
All the grammar is awful
Iāve been trying to fix it but they keep changing it back for no reason
Iām seeing to many āitāsā instead of āitsā
I tried to fix it but editing on mobile is the worst
analog rampart
I found a possible spelling error on the Trivalve article
It uses the British English spelling of "color". I'm unsure, does the wiki use American or British English?
fluid lagoon
must've been written by some big nerd
analog rampart
Because I've also found "Behavior" which is American English
So I'm unsure which one needs correcting
summer kindle
Uhh the Subnautica Wiki used American but so far the Below Zero wiki has just been whatever
analog rampart
Ok
frosty flower
I think it depends upon whoever edited it, as I use the English spelling, not American
analog rampart
I normally would
But it appears there are many "coloration"s and one "colour"
Okie, changed it to "Color" for the sake of uniformity
summer kindle
You can change any British spelling to American
little wolf
The Americans and the British does
willow warren
agile spindle
habit
thatās how iāve been taught to spell it since the early days of my existence
analog rampart
I don't mind which one is used as long as its the same one throughout the article, preferably through the whole wiki
this is now on the seatruck gallery
max graphics ofc
agile spindle
i mean like
thats bigger than the res we ask for on the wiki
most of us have 1920 x 1080 or smaller
analog rampart
My monitor resolution is 2560 x 1440
agile spindle
why isnt it lower then?
analog rampart
I changed it to max res for the screenshot
because the guidelines say so
I normally play 1920x1080
for FPS reasons
agile spindle
We should probably specify huh
you should probably try to stick to a 16:9 aspect ratio
agile spindle
the picture you took was in 2420 x 1190
analog rampart
Oh
agile spindle
i dont know if you cropped it or what
analog rampart
Right thats because I cropped out the goggles
analog rampart
Oh riiight
I thought I had to press it multiple times because it was lagging and not reading keystrokes
lmao
agile spindle
it has different modes
analog rampart
thanks for that
frail dragon
summer kindle
Ugh now we have to put the Squidshark as a Leviathan on the wiki
agile spindle
We can hold off until the entry is in game
Right now it's only in the games files
perhaps if we pray hard enough he'll fix it
summer kindle
Itās obviously not going to change for a long time
The Arctic Ray is still a herbivore
agile spindle
Can we change Surface to Aquatic for biome categories?
summer kindle
Yes that was something I wanted to do for a long time
agile spindle
we can have @cinder kestrel change it whenever he's available
Also, the Frozen Leviathan cave has a separate biome ID than hoverzone2, should we have a tabber for it (a la lost river sub-biomes)
analog rampart
What do you mean change Surface to Aquatic
There is "Above Water" and "Under Water"
agile spindle
analog rampart
Oh there,
lol
No need to change them, all biomes in the Underwater Biomes list are now labelled as Aquatic :)
I could get used to this
analog rampart
I guess so
agile spindle
legend
agile spindle
yes
analog rampart
thought so
agile spindle
categories are on the right side under the publish thing
agile spindle
yeah delete the surface category and add aquatic
agile spindle
š
analog rampart
:)
paper flare
@proper needle
proper needle
@zealous maple Not the right place š
paper flare
oh lmao
frail dragon
Does anyone know anything about the Slime?
I believe itās cut content from Subnautica
agile spindle
yep
frail dragon
And what about the Bulletfish?
paper flare
why are you asking in here
frail dragon
Because I was going to see if anyone knew about it for the cut content page
paper flare
oh
agile spindle
if it was worthy of being on the cut content page it'd be on there
frail dragon
But maybe it was just one of those things in a prototype or something that was removed before the early access release
Idk
summer kindle
I remember something about bulletfish from an ancient planning document
cinder kestrel
@agile spindle You still need me?
cinder kestrel
Alright, then. I guess I will resign, if I am unneeded.
agile spindle
Also - I followed the TOC community central post you made and was given a solution to the issue
so thank you for that š
cinder kestrel
analog rampart
agile spindle
We dont have anything on the feather fish
agile spindle
based on what?
turbid ermine
It would be nice if you could picture the lottery numbers.
paper flare
doesn't mean that's what it looks like
analog rampart
Are we ever gonna get a better name for the nootfish
agile spindle
perhaps
paper flare
no because that's as good as it gets
analog rampart
nah
analog rampart
ok
pure thistle
Under biomes in wiki under each biome could you put the level of danger in each biome?
or would that just be an inconvenience to update
agile spindle
That's an arbitrary definition
we dont like to categorize things when they cant be clearly defined
hybrid bear
As of now, the Crater Edge page says that at 8200 meters deep, the player teleports back to their lifepod. However in the main paragraph is states 8500 still.
agile spindle
so change it
hybrid bear
Wiki Accounts thereby shalt not be existent.
I donāt have a wiki account so I canāt really edit it.
agile spindle
yes
hybrid bear
Iām not sure where you should even ask that but I know it especially shouldnāt be here.
He already answered it but okay.
agile spindle
WIP navigation component
I want to have the icons change when you hover over them, and probably change the other sections to look nicer as well
agile spindle
@fluid lagoon https://subnautica-belowzero.fandom.com/wiki/User:Tueman/Test2#Sounds Is this more intuitive?
fluid lagoon
needs text
agile spindle
does the arrow not communicate that its a dropdown?
agile spindle
it's very visible though
cinder kestrel
Maybe this kind would be more immersive.
agile spindle
I don't think it meshes well with an icon
agile spindle
@clever lion Can we have custom Javascript enabled on both our wikis?
opaque wagon
Whoever mentioned the Nootfish getting a new name, too late, they've already made pun descriptions
Calling it both "Nootritious" and "Noot very appetising"
fickle plinth
im gonna cancel my purchase on below zero because of that
agile spindle
@opaque wagon just because they have pun descriptions doesnāt mean they canāt change it lol
opaque wagon
but theyāre too good to change
agile spindle
no theyāre noot
opaque wagon
I just love the name, it works, and at least it makes more sense than āGarryfishā
fluid lagoon
garryfish was temporary
opaque wagon
I suppose Reginald was too?
opaque wagon
At least Reginald is fancy and all that
fluid lagoon
geraldfish
fickle plinth
they better not rename it to "snootfish"
opaque wagon
Agreed, I like Nootfish better
I hope it has unique audio for when it opens its mouth
~~so someone can mod it into this https://youtu.be/MFw3E6X5aoA~~
summer kindle
Most things were temporary
Cory said Boneshark and Sand Shark were temporary names also
agile spindle
and yet now we have isosceles ray
summer kindle
The very fact that they are named those things
analog rampart
Ok
Added Rocket Island Base to the POIs on rocket island
that seemed to be missing
yay
clever lion
@agile spindle JavaScript editing is now enabled on both wikis (the Subnautica Wiki already had it anyway)
agile spindle
@summer kindle
paper flare
damn it tom
summer kindle
So is he just saying heās not going to change it?
analog rampart
how do i find sound files from the game files
@agile spindle where did you find the chelicerate sounds
agile spindle
he either means he isnāt going to change because heās trolling or heās just messing with us and heāll change it later
god i hope itās the latter
@analog rampart itās kind of complicated
analog rampart
how complicated
agile spindle
vee gave up after the first step
analog rampart
im willing to expose my ears eyes to the first step
agile spindle
granted it was just dling something
iām not at home tho so i canāt explain it atm
analog rampart
ohok
turbid ermine
.bank fmod on google could help.
agile spindle
what the hell is that
paper flare
it's like trying to open one of those files with notepad
turbid ermine
At least open it with hexedit.
pure thistle
Wtf
agile spindle
so donāt open it with that
analog rampart
i wont anymore
analog rampart
k i think i did it
woah woah woah how many files is it extracting wth
1,134 items
Ok i've definitely got the sound files extracted now
paper flare
don't share them here
analog rampart
Im not
I'm trying to find out how to put the squidshark sounds on the wiki
like
i have wav files
this has ogg
agile spindle
do it exactly the same way i do
or iāll come from your nightmares and hunt you down
or wait and i might make a template for it
frail dragon
Is there a reason the wiki says grassy plateaus is 50-170 meters?
Iād think itād be 0-170
analog rampart
a) i have no idea how you do it
b) Iāll wait
frail dragon
Just upload the sound file and copy and paste what he did with the source code
analog rampart
but i dont know exactly how he does it
fierce imp
use audacity to convert them to ogg or some online converter
analog rampart
ok
frail dragon
50% of online audio converters seem sketchy though
simple quiver
wiki
agile spindle
@analog rampart https://subnautica-belowzero.fandom.com/wiki/Template:SoundTable
made a template for convenience
agile spindle
if you want to make sure you understand how to use it you can practice by changing the tables on pages that dont have the template yet
I think Chelicerate, Glow Whale, Arctic Ray, Brinewing, Snowstalker, Bruteshark, Pengling, Ice Worm have it
frail dragon
whoever did the pengling sounds did a nice job
agile spindle
you mean the PUA guys?
sage zinc
Should we have a wiki page on modding subnautica?
agile spindle
no
sage zinc
k
analog rampart
ok im home now adding squidshark sounds
agile spindle
you mean redoing the table with the template right
analog rampart
there are no sounds on the squidshark page
Im in the editor right now there aren't any
analog rampart
and the squidshark sounds arent uploaded either yet lol
agile spindle
can you replace one of the tables with the template tho to make sure you understand how to use it first?
do like snowstalker or brinewing or something
agile spindle
also if you go to the navbar and go to editing links thereās a thing called multi upload
which i think you want
analog rampart
owo
agile spindle
squidshark table looks good
agile spindle
if you got all the sounds from the files there then youāre good
agile spindle
try to do them all in one shot in the future
analog rampart
ok
@agile spindle do you have to include everything, like for example all the swimangry files, which there are a lot of
analog rampart
Im stuck on what to name the swimangry ones
aggressive swim or angry swim
cant decide
agile spindle
angry swim
analog rampart
ok
agile spindle
if you think squidshark has a lot take a gander at penglings
agile spindle
yeah that was real fun to upload and edit
and the pengwings have just as many
not looking forward to that lol
analog rampart
okie added all squidshark sounds
agile spindle
š
analog rampart
that was not fun
but it gets easier after a while
penglings have 95
pengwings have 117
analog rampart
Im taking a break now that was quite tedious
might go round looking for some minor errors
I might have some extra time tomorrow for sounds so let me know if you need any more done
agile spindle
we need, like, all of them done
agile spindle
after valiant combat with css, html, and javascript i have finally managed to make a custom tooltip
of course it looks like crap currently
but itāll be good i promise
summer kindle
will all images be displayed with a white bg
agile spindle
i was thinking transparent
so it just pops an image showing the thing
but also if we want we can set up a mini table showing several important points
for example aggression and biomes
summer kindle
currently they are showing with a white bg
agile spindle
well itās yellow on my screen but
for some reason itās putting a default yellow color behind it and i canāt figure out how to remove it
sage zinc
Shouldnāt we put the Squidshark in the leviathan tab on the fauna page?
summer kindle
we refuse
entry isn't attainable in game currently, so it does not exist
change my mind
sage zinc
Then how come the Ventgarden, Glow Whale, Chelicerate, and the Ice Worm are classified as a leviathan?
warped garnet
German Marine are you German?
sage zinc
@summer kindle explain
analog rampart
Alright, added sounds for these creatures:
Nootfish
Titan Holefish
Symbiote
agile spindle
brinewing and chelicerate need their files reuploaded btw
analog rampart
why what happened
agile spindle
They updated their sound files yesterday
brinewing has more files for one thing but to be safe we should reupload all of them
analog rampart
Uhghhhh
analog rampart
I would, but Iām going to bed soon anyway
and I know I donāt have to do any of this I just like helping out
agile spindle
one thing before you get off - the template needs two spaces before the next header
keep that in mind for the future
analog rampart
Two spaces, got it. Saw you correct that before
frail dragon
Wait and what happened with Chelicerate sounds...?
frail dragon
I was meaning to ask what about them was updated
agile spindle
the sounds
frail dragon
what about the sounds
frail dragon
Well anyway uh
Back onto the topic of the wiki
Are we planning on having sound effects for every creature?
agile spindle
yes
agile spindle
apparently they have another talk later this week about game design
ah, nevermind, it was this morning
yeah okay, that talk is in the same presentation, I missed that lol
analog rampart
Re-uploaded chelicerate sounds
agile spindle
legend š
summer kindle
@agile spindle which one? I didn't see it
late island
went through twice now and didnt see it
fluid lagoon
wow tueman just gonna ignore that i was in that screenshot too smh tbh
agile spindle
were you?
fluid lagoon
who else would have the purple name at that time
agile spindle
amazingly, getting the background to work took so much longer than setting up the tooltip itself
We can do one of two things with these: keep it this way just showing the picture and nothing else, or give basically everything an information table that I can have show up in the tooltip
obtuse valve
someone is using discord light theme in the GDC
reef dragon
Just letting you know, for the gallery, under the "concept art" tab there's only an in-game photo, and under the "other" tab is the concept art. https://subnautica-belowzero.fandom.com/wiki/Brute_Shark
analog rampart
So tue, do you think I've got what it takes to be a WK yet? I'm not trying to be obnoxious or anything, just would like some feedback / advice on how to improve
frail dragon
If that was all it took then I think Iād be a wiki keeper by now myself
analog rampart
What exactly do you mean by that?
If "that" was all it took
Whats the "that"
I mean I really do enjoy editing the wiki, its nice knowing you made a difference, and I would carry on doing so even without the official role
I just like it when I have a purpose
frail dragon
well i guess I meant that if just making several minor changes would be enough for wiki keeper then we'd have a ton of wiki keepers
maybe
analog rampart
I mean, an addition to making several minor changes, I have also added in sounds for many creatures, such as the squidshark, titan holefish, symbiote, and nootfish, as well as updating the sounds for the chelicerate
I don't really consider those very minor
We need sounds for every creature on the wiki
sage zinc
Shouldnt we get a page for the Snowstalker baby?
cinder kestrel
do you think I've got what it takes to be a WK yet?
I became a Wiki Keeper after about a year, although I did not contribute as heavily as you did. That is my input.
agile spindle
honestly whenever someone asks to be a wiki keeper that knocks them down a peg for me
analog rampart
Im not asking lmao
agile spindle
like chill the color isnāt the goal here
agile spindle
you are being helpful on the wiki if thatās what youāre asking
we donāt exactly have a āwiki keeper progress meterā
cinder kestrel
Some people may thing I have spent the last three minutes typing something profound.
agile spindle
sample tooltip table
is it easier for you guys if i post pictures of what im working on rather than links
summer kindle
Iām on mobile so yeah
Oh nvm you just have the table working separate from the link
agile spindle
the template is just the table
then the tooltip calls the template
and boom its there
summer kindle
Where would it actually be used
agile spindle
I mean everywhere that Snowstalker is linked
there's really no downside to a link having a tooltip
summer kindle
Aside from the fauna page itself
agile spindle
sure, I guess
summer kindle
This is a separate template for every fauna species right?
agile spindle
Ideally there would be one for each fauna, flora, item/buildable/vehicle, and biome
Some of those could be argued not to need tooltips, but flora/fauna/biome yes
agile spindle
can i get feedback for this (tooltip)
sage zinc
I like it
low nacelle
Looks clean and easy to read. The "Biomes" being off to the side by itself looks odd, but I assume it's built that way to allow a longer biome list?
low nacelle
The other options have [Label]: Data
The biomes are [Label] with the Data below. I think that's why it looks odd to me.
Maybe it needs some sort of thicker line or space break between the picture and label/data, and another between label/data and the biomes?
low nacelle
Yeah, I like that. š
The only difference I see is the line between the [Label] and [Data], yes?
agile spindle
yea
low nacelle
Yeah, I think they both look good.
What if the horizontal lines between the label/data was black (like the gaps), and you leave the lighter vertical lines in?
That might be overkill.
agile spindle
i did try that and I just didn't like how it looked
low nacelle
Makes sense.
Second one looks good to me.
I like that shade of blue better also (as compared to your earlier draft).
low nacelle
The pictures look different.
agile spindle
My second monitor is real weird with colors
the newer pictures are the actual colors
agile spindle
thanks
polar lodge
š
frail dragon
Any creatures that still need sounds for the wiki?
agile spindle
if the page doesnāt have sounds then it needs sounds
analog rampart
^
frail dragon
I knew that many pages had sounds but I thought I could just ask without having to look on every single creature page
edgy lagoon
But then they would have to look at every creature page.
frail dragon
Idk I feel like tueman has memorized the whole wiki
agile spindle
i can tell you off the top of my head what creatures have sound, yes
however most donāt, so just check
clever lion
Sorry to interject. I'm wondering if you guys have given any more thought to whether you want to stay on Fandom or leave? Are you waiting on more information from either Ted or Fandom before you decide? There is no rush to do anything, but if you already know you want to stay on Fandom, we can start talking about the remaining issues you had, and what we can do about those.
agile spindle
Weāre still waiting for Ted to get back to us
clever lion
Ok, thanks for the update!
cinder kestrel
He will get back to us, right?
edgy lagoon
Someday.
agile spindle
if he doesnāt then weāll have to get back to him
agile spindle
you since you guys donāt want to merge the wikis iām not sure iām willing to work on moving templates/features between both wikis
itās a ton of work just making them and updating both would be annoying
summer kindle
Are you talking about the tool tip thing
agile spindle
yes especially that
i would have to wait for approval every time i edit the js for both wikis
summer kindle
well just get it right on one first and copy the changes over
when is the tool tip thing gonna be finished
agile spindle
when you people actually give me feedback or opinions
i asked for a lot and yāall give me nothing
and then when i ask if i can start adding it someone says āno it looks like crapā
summer kindle
did anyone actually say that
agile spindle
something like that
summer kindle
I only see people saying it looks good, and sure.
I'm fine with the way it is currently.
agile spindle
i meant for previous additions
thereās stuff iāve dropped just cause you guys donāt respond
and sometimes a few people say yes, then like a week later there are complaints about it from people who had plenty of time to say no
summer kindle
aight
agile spindle
so idk where anyoneās at with the tool tips right now except you i guess
summer kindle
does it matter
I'll go ahead and start adding them if you want
or I would if you had not obliterated it
agile spindle
i moved it
actually i was gonna make a template to make the tables easier to make
iāll do that when i get home
and after that i gotta figure out tables for flora and biomes as well
agile spindle
What's up with our achievements on both wikis?
summer kindle
I don't know
Not sure when that started happening
agile spindle
We should just have them disabled entirely anyway, right?
low nacelle
When you say "merge wikis" is that SN and BZ, or is there another wiki site?
summer kindle
SN and BZ
low nacelle
Ah, okay. Just asking because I saw the "stay on Fandom or leave?" question.
cinder kestrel
That is a different, but existing, matter.
agile spindle
I'm not sure where we are on that right now
low nacelle
They sounded like separate issues, but thought I'd ask before making an assumption.
agile spindle
yeah, they're separate issues
low nacelle
tueman, are there other features you'd like someone to look at?
agile spindle
I've had an idea for a biome-page map link thing for a while but I haven't put too much work into it
If you have an idea for it that'd be great, I'm currently focused on tooltips atm though
low nacelle
Ah, okay. I won't distract you then. š
cinder kestrel
How about having a mostly blank map of the Arctic and have it in the infobox--except that the biome is highlighted in the map?
summer kindle
We used to have a thing like that
Yayie had maps in the infobox but we got rid of them because the infoboxes were so long
cinder kestrel
Assuming, for the moment, that the infobox system would allow it, then perhaps insert it here:
Or directly under the image.
agile spindle
Yeah that's why I was leaning towards more of a top-of-page hook
except the current concept looks wildly out of place
cinder kestrel
paper flare
lmao
agile spindle
badges as a whole adding nothing to the wiki
all they do is make people edit like it's a game
cinder kestrel
Most people, yes.
fluid lagoon
wow it only took somebody several months to notice my roleplayer badge
cinder kestrel
Is that not the default name, then?
summer kindle
Leon noticed it when you first added it
agile spindle
Tooltip in action
if okayed/no responses I'll start making all the tables for BZ fauna
Since the FaunaTable template is up and working
summer kindle
where do you make them
agile spindle
The FaunaTable template is what you use, make them at FaunaTable/Faunaname
for example snowstalker is at Template:FaunaTable/Snowstalker
summer kindle
Ok I'll start from the bottom of the fauna list
should we just leave all the placeholder stuff
agile spindle
You can make a preliminary one for it
if you want I'm about to make the documentation for the table template
so wait like 10 minutes
summer kindle
I get how it works
agile spindle
ok
summer kindle
Well if you're talking about the Sea Emperor it is planktivorous but in game they're classified separately from carni/herbi
So I could put planktivorous
agile spindle
it has to match the information on the page
summer kindle
Emperor doesn't have one on the page
agile spindle
it should
summer kindle
you want it to say planktivorous then
agile spindle
sure
agile spindle
documentation is up on the template page if anyone needs it
btw @summer kindle I'm changing it so you can leave fields out if you have nothing to put in them
wont affect tables you've already made
summer kindle
ok I'm gonna stop now because my internet has decided to perish and take 30+ seconds to load anything
agile spindle
lol
cinder kestrel
Well, enjoy yourself.
agile spindle
I wish there was a way to decrease the margin that bullets create
hmm pengwing/pengwing might look odd
since their pictures are tall rather than wide
inner sable
d
stoic moat
I can translate... ahem they replied with, "yes"
north gazelle
can anyone help me here?
agile spindle
is it wiki related?
north gazelle
not sure
agile spindle
Is it a question about Subnautica?
north gazelle
it might be one the wiki website but i cant brink a web page up at the moment
and yes
north gazelle
i wanted to know how to shut down the quarentine plant
cinder kestrel
So Isosceles Ray is now Arrow Ray--any other recent name changes you want to throw at the bot?
agile spindle
not currently
unless you can check nootfish and spinnerfish against their in game names
cinder kestrel
Apparently, I am too busy being awesome to be awesome.
Somehow.
File:Isosceles Ray Night.jpg
File:Isosceles Ray Sizeref.jpg```
Those are the remaining files.renaming files isnt too important anyway
cinder kestrel
I changed the names of the files as they appear on pages, so if those three files are in use, they will need renaming.
Which has now been done, as I have been taken off my throttling.
agile spindle
Would it be good if I made the databank template act similarly to the recipe template?
summer kindle
No
agile spindle
why wouldnāt that be good?
it would be easier to edit than the recipe template - i checked how it works and i can make the databank one look much cleaner
sinful yarrow
would be helpful to have a key coordinates section for each biome, for such things as tunnels to other biomes (e.g. the tunnel to the lava castle, tunnel to the jellyshroom or lost river entrances), anyone have any thoughts on the idea?
summer kindle
@agile spindle we thought about making that before but decided against it. If you wanna do it now then sure, go ahead.
Did all those fauna tables get finished by the way?
agile spindle
yea
@sinful yarrow we have a map page for that. weāre still trying to figure out the best way to link to the map from each biome
agile spindle
Databank2 is up and running with documentation
analog rampart
added baby sea monkey sounds
summer kindle
@agile spindle everything added to it already?
agile spindle
because they arent scannable yet
velvet pagoda
Agreed
agile spindle
Btw, I made this yesterday
i know it looks bad for creepvine but that's actually with a severely reduced picture
thoughts?
tight ravine
wikidog
pliant cloud
Is it that yellow in game? The picture itself doesn't look bad, & the template is clean. Nice & easy to read.
agile spindle
yes thats the same color as ingame
agile spindle
oops good catch
pliant cloud
š
frail dragon
So do you have like variations based on the height of the creature/plant
agile spindle
you can change the width of the image using the paramater imagesize
It's not there for fauna cause we didn't really need it
but yeah, the default is 200 px
creepvine is at 75
pliant cloud
It doesn't look too distorted given how tall it is, yeah, I think it looks fine. š
agile spindle
I'm thinking we change Diet to Category for Fauna and Attitude to Category for Flora
and both with use their databank classification
frail dragon
I donāt really understand what that means so uh
Like for squidsharks it says Category: Carnivore or aggressive or something?
And most flora doesnāt have any attitude
agile spindle
I'm talking about the tooltips
pliant cloud
I was pondering the "Attitude" thing, & assumed it was just because it's the template for Fauna. Thought about mentioning it, but then realized Tiger plants can be aggressive, so attitude is fitting, but are there aggressive plants in BZ?
agile spindle
spike trap
pliant cloud
Hmm, well Aggressive could still fall under Category, so that would probably make more sense overall. š
agile spindle
no
category would be the databank classification
oh but some plants arent in the databank
pliant cloud
Ooh, I see what you mean now. In a nutshell at least. Databank classification meaning what exactly? The tips in the PDA, once available that is?
agile spindle
In the PDA it categorises all plants by Exploitable, Sea, or Land
frail dragon
Ohh
pliant cloud
Oh interesting~
agile spindle
I can just guess the category i suppose
frail dragon
Yeah its pretty obvious I guess
But iirc in original Subnautica, some things that are exploitable were placed in the wrong category
agile spindle
like what
frail dragon
Idk
I just remember thinking about something like that
But I might not have ārecalled correctlyā
tight ravine
wikidog
frail dragon
Uh
agile spindle
Tooltip links should be everywhere but the Fauna page and the Databank2 template right?
summer kindle
For creepvine you should probably use a different image
Just cut off like 60% of it
agile spindle
I think it's fine
Either way I wanna have SLS change links to FaunaLink, should I have him replace every link but those on the Fauna and Template:Databank2 pages?
and the navboxes
summer kindle
Yeah
agile spindle
@cinder kestrel can you replace every link to Fauna pages on the wiki with {{FaunaLink|FaunaName}}? exclude the pages Fauna, Template:Databank2, Template:Navbox Items, and Template:Navbox Fauna, and ignore links to Feather fish 01, Feather Fish 02, Jellyfish and Large Bird
for example replace [[Boomerang]] with {{FaunaLink|Boomerang}}, and do the same with all Fauna except those I specified
only on the BZ wiki btw
formal trellis
this a good pic for the glacial basin wiki?
the pictures currently on the site are outdated
agile spindle
you have most of the detailed parts unloaded
try messing with the farplane command
hard pewter
glacial basin got some new ''icebergs'' things recently
formal trellis
ok
agile spindle
The Horse Power upgrade is so weird
With two modules attached, there is a difference between 0 and 1 upgrades, and 1 and 2 upgrades
but not between 2 and 3/4 upgrades
But with four modules attached, there's no difference between 1 and 2 upgrades or 3 and 4 upgrades, but there IS a difference between 2 and 3 upgrades
which makes 0 sense to me
fleet solstice
I am confusled
agile spindle
Okay
Two modules:
0 upgrades is something slow
1 upgrade is slightly faster
2 upgrades is even faster
3/4 upgrades is the same as with 2 upgrades
Four modules:
0 upgrades is snail speed
1 upgrades is slow-ish
2 upgrades is THE SAME as 1 upgrade
3 upgrades is slightly faster than 1 upgrade
4 is THE SAME as 3 upgrades
agile spindle
2 upgrades should have a difference from 1 upgrade
welp, time to make a big ass spreadsheet
agile spindle
I can't reproduce the stacking speed increase anymore, odd
what I did find is that only the first slot seems to count, horse power upgrades in any other slot won't affect the speed
actually now it wont work at all
wtf
cinder kestrel
I will add the link changes to my overall queue of projects.
cursive vigil
How do you spawn the sea dragon in the debug?
agile spindle
first step is to go to #subnautica-chat
cursive vigil
and then what
agile spindle
then ask the question there