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#šwiki-discussion
agile spindle
pure thistle
Ok
pure thistle
Got it thanks š
paper flare
when's it starting
fluid lagoon
when is what starting
fluid lagoon
you're not even a part of it
fluid lagoon
pm
formal trellis
what wiki transfer?
agile spindle
dont worry about it for now
fluid lagoon
yes
agile spindle
doom
hallow basalt
a
hallow basalt
Not really.
heady gulch
Some issues related to school have come up for me, so Iām not going to be able to be in the meeting.
agile spindle
ok no problem xeno
@hallow basalt later today we are discussing with the president of UWE Ted Gill about how to move the subnautica wikis from fandom to a UWE hosted site
fluid lagoon
why must the wiki keepers be dropping like flies
heady gulch
Half my grades are Cs is why.
hallow basalt
I'm on vacation
agile spindle
ivanās not a mod anyway
i think dino and i are the main advocates for this merge anyway
summer kindle
Iām just indifferent but if you tell me the main points Iāll talk about it to him
agile spindle
iām not entirely sure what heās gonna ask
he told vee he wanted to ādiscuss the mergeā which could mean a plethora of things
what i do know is that iāve put a lot of thought into the merge and i think dino has as well, and anybody else can chip in if they have more to add
fluid lagoon
i know nothing i'm just the email person
agile spindle
the very expert email person
summer kindle
What time is it again
fluid lagoon
in 5 hours
summer kindle
I could make this room wiki keeper only whilst heās here
summer kindle
Heās the one that initially suggested it
heady gulch
Mhm
fluid lagoon
still a rando
summer kindle
Heās also the only person editing the UWE hosted NS2 wiki
maiden cloud
How rude
fluid lagoon
where are your compadres
maiden cloud
There's like 4-5 but none of them care about the SN wiki
And NS2 wiki editing is VERY sporadic
I'm just keen to highlight that it's totally feasible to move to a UWE platform and answer any questions if I need to
agile spindle
how did the merge go exactly @maiden cloud?
maiden cloud
The NS2 one wasn't really a merge. A lot of stuff was out of date, so we just got a fresh MediaWiki installation put up and went from there
Copied the CSS/JS over so the theme was intact, although with an extra 2-3 years of web presentation experience behind me I probably wouldn't do the same thing again
Luckily it's all the same ecosystem so if the worst happened you could literally copy pages over
I'd be surprised if Fandom allowed you to take a DB dump away
maiden cloud
NS2 was never on fandom
It's always been UWE hosted but the captchas got cracked and it got mobbed by like, 40,000 spambots
Which was the whole reason for moving "platform" entirely, it was deemed to be too labour intensive to try and save the old one
Is a portable infobox an extension?
Seems that'd do it
frail dragon
When does this discussion or whatever begin?
fluid lagoon
why do you ask
paper flare
7-8 est
frail dragon
Why did someone just say āsubscribe to pewdiepieā then either delete the message themselves or had it deleted by a moderator
paper flare
because they were trolling
frail dragon
Subscribe to pewdiepie is like the least funniest thing
agile spindle
the discussion is wiki mods/admins, ted, and foxy only
paper flare
...yes thank you for restating the obvious
frail dragon
but foxy is playing apex legends
fluid lagoon
and
frail dragon
idk
agile spindle
he has over an hour lol
cinder kestrel
lolSomehow, I do not think you are actually laughing.
paper flare
not again
cinder kestrel
Just go ahead and celebrate my achievements (ha).
paper flare
ok, we care so much
cinder kestrel
It means I am equal with Jamintheinfinite, if anything.
paper flare
and
cinder kestrel
(Trying to find something else to comment on as a way to stall for time)
paper flare
find it and get back to me
agile spindle
cuno get back to us when youāre helpful on the wiki k?
fluid lagoon
then why are you in here
agile spindle
because we work on the wiki
cinder kestrel
Because we are fulfilling the purpose of the channel.
I think.
Eh, close enough to being on-topic is what we are.
paper flare
...sure
agile spindle
itās fine that youāre in here itās just that sometimes when weāre having discussions you kind of interrupt them
agile spindle
like half the discussions we have
paper flare
i just get involved in them
paper flare
not interrupt necessarily
agile spindle
thanks š
cinder kestrel
Today I saw a crashfish chase another animal. That's normal, right?
fluid lagoon
<@&192900629797142528> this is ur 30 minute reminder
agile spindle
yea
paper flare
exciting
paper flare
why do you even care
i really don't care that i'm not a part of it
but it's still exciting nonetheless
agile spindle
since you dont care about the wiki you'll see no difference whatsoever
maiden cloud
<@&192900629797142528>
maiden cloud
I'm in voice with Teddy?
maiden cloud
agile spindle
i for one am glad we brought foxy in
cinder kestrel
(How do we know Foxy?)
fluid lagoon
i said nothing and i was still nervous
agile spindle
he originally suggested moving the wiki - i believe he's an admin on the NS2 wiki
fluid lagoon
i may not be capable of live chat with a higher up but damn can i write emails
agile spindle
So Ted asked us to get a general list of ~5 things we want Fandom to do for the wikis
Obviously videos is number one
More free CSS editing is a good second
I'd like to volunteer making Source Editor the default as our third
late island
1. Videos should be removed, or at the very least made our own.
2. More freedom to edit CSS. Obviously we'd never be able to touch the ads, but more freedom on changing other aspects would be nice.
cinder kestrel
Buying chocolate to help me get to summer camp and then become an Eagle ScoutUpdating their version of MediaWiki comes to mind, but that is beyond the scope of just the wiki.
late island
3. Source Editor as default?
agile spindle
I think we shouldn't back down on the videos, absolutely push for them being removed
because if they can't do that for us it doesn't bode well for the future
cinder kestrel
Question: if we could create high-quality videos with just the snap of our fingers, should we?
agile spindle
That's something else; none of us are really equipped to even make them
late island
easier to edit
agile spindle
The one guy we asked to handle it didn't do anything for like 2 weeks
late island
So I'd rather not bother with the videos at all, unless FANDOM literally has nothing to do with them and we can add or remove them at our own will whenever we want.
So let's just push for them being removed.
cinder kestrel
if we could create high-quality videos with just the snap of our fingers
I think videos are another way for users to find the wiki, another way for them to get quick information (maybe listen to the videos like a podcast), and a boost to FANDOM revenue (so that they, supposedly, have more money to spend on us).
cinder kestrel
Because they are bad or because they are just there?
agile spindle
a lot of other wikis (idk if ours has) have taken polls and the majority who respond want them removed
late island
A lot of the former and some of the latter SLS
agile spindle
but yeah we should just have them removed entirely
for the CSS is there anything we want to do that was denied/not possible other than the wikiactivty spoilers?
I know I looked into TOC editing for specific pages but I'm not sure if that isn't possible or if I just wasn't able to find a solution
cinder kestrel
I have https://community.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:1630753 thus far.
The first guy has little idea what I mean, although the second guy does.
agile spindle
yeah so there you go, that is a good second example
cinder kestrel
But the Table of Contents is a feature of MediaWiki itself. Can we change it (I do not know)?
agile spindle
Lets not get too hung up on it for now
Ted or Foxy mentioned we might be able to get some sort of manager who takes our requests directly
do you guys think that's feasible?
fluid lagoon
perhaps
cinder kestrel
We are only #73/#131 out of all wikis (and #33/#58 out of gaming).
frail dragon
Which wiki is going to be moved, the original Subnautica wiki, Below Zero, or both?
cinder kestrel
If we do migrate, both.
agile spindle
It's looking like we might not, based on how talks with Fandom go
anyway the manager can be a fourth request, though im not sure how doable that is
By the way I want to bring up another issue the talk with Ted made me realize
cinder kestrel
The Ted Talk was inspirational?
agile spindle
sure was
our wikis are split which is actually cutting part of our community, especially for the BZ wiki
cinder kestrel
Am I going to get kicked for that joke?
late island
I don't think that's what he was getting at.
agile spindle
No, that's not what he was talking about, but it is true for the current setup
cinder kestrel
Well, I heard what some of you sound like for the first time.
I forgot already, though.
agile spindle
We can increase the traffic on the Subnautica wiki if we merge both wikis together
fluid lagoon
i would rather perish
cinder kestrel
Could you un-perish after we merged them together?
agile spindle
you sound younger than i expected
cinder kestrel
I don't know```
What, are you deaf and cannot hear your own voice?That sounds lovelyinteresting.
pure thistle
I'd like to jump in because this was something that I was bringing up with tueman - the wiki's are kind of wonky with how they're sectioned off. Why not just have one wiki with different sections - splitting between BZ and SN content and then further sectioned down into different categories? It seems a bit counter productive to have two separate wikis for the same game universe. They share a title name (Subnautica) and I see no further downside to having a singular wiki than it'd be a load of work.
Along with that reforming how the navigation system for the wiki would be something that'd be in the best interest of the public.
late island
Well I can hear my voice but I'm not sure how it sounds to other people
whenever I hear recordings of it I'm always surprised at how deep it is.
cinder kestrel
Record yourself and lis--wait, you already did that.
maiden cloud
A key concept of any sort of wiki/tech writing is content reuse
So I do agree that having SN and BZ on the same wiki would be better
Unless BZ adds so much content that it would complicate things
Or you could use a different namespace for BZ
late island
It's quite different aside from resources
agile spindle
using a different namespace would be too complicated
late island
But if we did move the wikis and have them as a part of this UWE wiki hub that could bridge the gaps between merging and splitting them
agile spindle
However, some of the largest wikis use a single wiki for all their involved games and they work fine - even though the games are very different in many ways
agile spindle
That is true, moving to UWE-wiki would definitely allow a more creative solution to the problem
maiden cloud
I'd love to see a setup similar to the forum
the mainpage being a generic UWE theme and then each game having it's own section
late island
Yeah
maiden cloud
with custom css
late island
you'd have this main hub with links to each wiki
agile spindle
I don't think that's something we can do on Fandom
maiden cloud
It would need a CSS extension yeah
pure thistle
I could see it as one home wiki that basically described the Universe of subnautica and the about page of it with two different separate sections for SN and SN BZ.
late island
Eh
agile spindle
The home page could give a description but we wouldn't have any pages outside of those two sections
late island
not really what I was getting at
NS2 would also be there
and whatever this Zen of Sudoku 2 is
agile spindle
so like, a UWE-wiki for all their games?
late island
Yeah
agile spindle
that sounds really cool
maiden cloud
Zen of Sudoku was huge for funding NS2
Literally a little Sudoku game
Also Future Perfect that got iced for SN to exist
late island
We could maybe have a little section for that if we wanted
I'm talking about their secret project that some of the devs jokingly codename "Zen of Sudoku 2"
maiden cloud
Ah I have no idea what any of that is
late island
All we know is that it exists
maiden cloud
Hopefully not NS3
agile spindle
let's definitely bring this up with ted next time we talk
maiden cloud
oh my god
agile spindle
and by default they have sound on, but they can be muted
which'll stick to later videos as well
Not only that though, they're from like super early access subnautica
Some of them are also straight up inaccurate
fierce imp
the narrators sound dead inside
agile spindle
they really are the worst
cinder kestrel
Sea Dragon Leviathan is a great example of bad video clips being used.
agile spindle
a great many of them are
pure thistle
If videos were to be used they'd have to be high quality, not autoplay, and show a full, up to date encompass of the feature.
pure thistle
If being the key term
pure thistle
Also - are there links to the subnautica maps on the wikis?
agile spindle
In the navbar there's one
pure thistle
Kk
agile spindle
I was messing around with a way to incorporate them onto biome pages but I couldn't make it look good
late island
Is the wiki not letting anyone else upload new versions of old images?
agile spindle
like it doesnt update the picture?
if so then yeah, just tested it and had that issue
clever lion
Hey everyone - just a quick update from Fandom. I have removed all Featured Videos from your wiki, and removed the VisualEditor as the default. Users can still choose to use it, but it's no longer their default option. If that works for you, I'll be your Fandom contact to figure out the rest of the things that you've had issues with. I'll be back tomorrow to talk about CSS customization options and anything else you need to discuss!
fluid lagoon
oh god how do i change my editor back
fluid lagoon
what the heck all three options give me the wrong editor
agile spindle
what does each one give you?
agile spindle
it works for me
summer kindle
I donāt understand the issue with that editor
agile spindle
are you saving the changes?
fluid lagoon
yes
agile spindle
there's a tiny save button at the bottom of the preferences thing
fluid lagoon
i have been pressing it
agile spindle
for me visual and source editor work fine but classic changes it to visual
@clever lion are you still around? vee cannot change to classic rich-text editor
fluid lagoon
is that even the editor i'm trying to get to
agile spindle
thats the only other one that exists so id assume so
fluid lagoon
this one
summer kindle
Who uses that
summer kindle
I hate that editor
fluid lagoon
i will fight you on the streets
summer kindle
do it
stuck pawn
what heathen uses that editor
fluid lagoon
me
stuck pawn
who hurt you
fierce imp
source gang
summer kindle
I donāt even know which editor is which by name
clever lion
From the screenshot, that is the Visual Editor.
stuck pawn
should put in the guidelines that using visual is a public offense
fluid lagoon
none of the editors i can switch to in preferences gives me the Visual Editor
clever lion
Didn't you post the screenshot above of the Visual Editor?
clever lion
And your preferences are already set to VE as your default?
fluid lagoon
yeah
clever lion
Let me test if it works for me
ashen steeple
(I like Mira Laime, this person writes walls of texts and seems to be really professional, just passing by, sorry š)
fluid lagoon
that is a lady
clever lion
Hm, it doesn't work for me either - preferences are set to VE, but I still get the CK/Source editor
Could be that it's a bug, could be that disabling the VE as default (which we rarely do, so I haven't had a chance to test it before) always has this result. You can still use the VE if you hit the dropdown under the edit button and choose it there. The third possibility is that the chance hasn't fully registered yet. In that case, it should start working correctly tomorrow
I'm female btw. Although I'll admit my avatar doesn't exactly tell you either way :p
ashen steeple
Aaaah you broke the super professionalism I'm so sorry š¦
agile spindle
switching to VE works fine for me
fluid lagoon
tueman why have you done this to me
clever lion
I think it's super professional to not let people guess whether you're a he or she. It's less awkward that way š
agile spindle
as a long-term editor you should not have brought the plague of VE onto the SN wiki vee š
clever lion
@fluid lagoon If you're still having the same issue tomorrow, ping me and I can check if this is expected
agile spindle
i think every editor here would disagree
stuck pawn
how is visual better than source
heady gulch
i like source editor.
cinder kestrel
Would you say those two colors are distinct?
cinder kestrel
Compared to this contrast, the difference is little.
agile spindle
true
cinder kestrel
Actually, setting my monitor from Game Mode to Theater Mode helps.
wet sand
source editor is best
late island
yes
wet sand
get gamered vee
late island
Can there be like a bot for this or something?
agile spindle
Oh yeah we can set that to be a bot
late island
Instead of having the wiki take over my account
agile spindle
@summer kindle you know how to do that right?
fluid lagoon
was wiki discussion always above meme chat
agile spindle
yes
agile spindle
wiki chat private is still present
For future references would Jeffreys' Bunker go under Alterra or Other Structures?
fluid lagoon
i think we should wait until we see what it actually is
agile spindle
fair enough
cinder kestrel
@agile spindle
agile spindle
We want to have a bot welcome them
cinder kestrel
https://subnautica-belowzero.fandom.com/wiki/User:FANDOM is the default.
agile spindle
thanks
cinder kestrel
You read the help page, right?
agile spindle
you mean the one you just linked
cinder kestrel
You read that one, right?
cinder kestrel
Because either i am misinterpreting it, or that @ you included is wrong.
To have all welcomes come from a single specific user, write only their username in plain text, such as John Smith
agile spindle
ohh do I not need the @
agile spindle
thanks again
sage zinc
No more videos?
agile spindle
no more videos
frail dragon
I donāt
agile spindle
@sage zinc do you still see them?
hybrid bear
warm drum
wait why is the mesmer not on the kelp forest page
fluid lagoon
it's technically in the kelp forest caves or some other sub-biome
warm drum
wow
heady gulch
It doesnāt openly appear in the Kelp forest like stalkers or hoverfish
clever lion
@fluid lagoon It turns out, the way default editors are set up, it is expected that you won't get the Visual Editor when you hit Edit, even if that is your preferred editor in your settings. That's a consequence of disabling it as the wiki's default editor.
You can still use it, but you'll have to access it via the dropdown
agile spindle
why does it work fine for me then? iām able to change it to the default
not that i want to, i was just testing
clever lion
That's odd then. You've set your preferences to the Visual Editor on Subnautica, and when you hit "Edit", that is the editor you get?
agile spindle
yeah
at least iām fairly certain itās the visual editor, i see it like itās the page but editable
minor axle
why are the creepvine seeds red?
cursive vigil
Different Biomes equals Different Adaptations
clever lion
Unless you're experiencing a bug, @agile spindle I don't know why this is working for you when it isn't for others (like me or vee) and when the behavior according to the code should be different, too š
agile spindle
itās a bug that itās working right :p
clever lion
In any case, the goal of not having the VE being the default editor for everyone has been achieved, and only users who actually want to use it will use it now
agile spindle
awesome, thank you
clever lion
I saw you mentioned that you might want to combine the Subnautica and Subnautica Below Zero Wiki into one. Was that more of a passing idea or something you're firmly planning on doing - or something in between? I'm asking because it might be a great idea (our SEO department could probably do some analysis and find out if that'd get you a better Google rankings and more eyes on your content). And if it is, Fandom may be able to help you with the merge (if you want the combined wiki to live on Fandom or Gamepedia, obviously).
Depending on what you decide (and there is no rush), I can also get our technical team involved to talk about the other concerns you had
agile spindle
yeah weāre still deciding about that, we need to talk to Ted further about it
proven portal
Can someone please add to the snowfox jump module page that you can spawn it in using the code item 2130
cursive vigil
why is peter griffen on the wiki
hallow basalt
peeper griffen leviathan
crystal badger
cinder kestrel
paper flare
yeah us too
agile spindle
nah its back up
paper flare
oh
agile spindle
im gonna refrain from adding stuff about locations of hoverbike/hoverpad fragments/heat fruit due to how clearly unfinished it is
jeffreys' bunker is definitely other, not alterra right?
summer kindle
Yeah I guess
minor axle
Is there bunkers in subnautica?
agile spindle
what do you mean
agile spindle
ya
coarse onyx
Where
agile spindle
how can you be in #šwiki-discussion and not think to check the wiki
agile spindle
is that what the wiki says
frail dragon
smh
heady gulch
Please donāt ask us like we are subnautica wiki
Maybe Tueman is though (I low key wanted to tell that kid who said he reported Tueman to the other admins: āTueman IS Subnautica Wikiā)
quartz flax
Guys does the Deadzone have a floor at like 4000m
agile spindle
quartz flax
ok sry
agile spindle
i replaced the heat fruit image just fine
late island
I replaced this image with one that had a background over a day ago
still not changed
Also I don't see this image you changed
agile spindle
oh?
late island
Oh hey that one worked
agile spindle
itās changed
late island
would be nice if anything I did started to work again
agile spindle
mira said sheād be here yesterday to talk to us about css but that never happened š¤
agile spindle
.-.
fluid lagoon
Rule number 8
agile spindle
itās no role play if heās referring to those rules
agile spindle
idk what happened lately but we got an influx of younger contributors
agile spindle
i mean but my walls being spammed all day recently
agile spindle
nah some of them are legit
hallow basalt
that unknown one is suspicious tho
late island
cool how I thought that image updating issue was gone but actually it wasn't.
late island
You having the same problem or?
agile spindle
it worked fine earlier but maybe their servers are being spotty
late island
what an unfortunate time for that to crop up
just after we decided to stick around and wait another fun issue appears
agile spindle
we can still have ted move us if need be
i really want to talk to him about your idea too, it sounds really cool
heady gulch
Iām pretty sure when cowardlygamer resurfaces itāll be obvious
His Attitude is spottable from a mile away
agile spindle
i think the unknown guy is his alt but he hasnāt done anything annoying enough to ban
heady gulch
Any time he resurfaced he can be blocked on charges of block evasion and puppeting
agile spindle
i mean iām not 100 percent sure
heady gulch
Heāll surface sooner or later
agile spindle
there are like 5 someone the something accounts on the wiki right now
heady gulch
He made his intentions clear, trying to become an admin And get rid of you, plus his defensive attitude, it could take time but it wonāt be hard to find him
agile spindle
We arenāt planning on making anyone admin anytime soon
clever lion
@agile spindle Yesterday it seemed like you guys are still talking to Ted and deciding whether you want to stay on Fandom. If you do and you're ready, I'll get someone from our technical team to go into detail with you on what you wanted to customize. I can ask them to join you here, if they're up for that, or reach out to you on your wall - or a public space on the wiki, if that works better
(Also see my question about your intentions to merge the two Subnautica wikis above)
agile spindle
okay, fair enough
some of our editors are against merging the wikis if we end up staying, they think it would be messy and confusing
what are some of the advantages of merging?
maiden cloud
Content reuse (as all resources and presumably base building materials are the same)
And much better for SEO
clever lion
Yes, and less management and maintenance - you just need one admin team, block someone from just one wiki, if you want to make a change, you only have to do it once, etc.
Whether or not this would be better for SEO is something I'd ask our SEO team to verify. My guess is that yes, a combined wiki would rank higher on Google and so get more eyes on the great stuff you're creating, but before doing all that work, I'd want to make sure.
agile spindle
how so? we were just planning on splitting everything in two anyway
summer kindle
Yes. It didnāt matter so much for items. But having two pages for every base part is different
agile spindle
why?
summer kindle
Because thereās a lot
agile spindle
id rather not split everything in two anyway
we can just have all the information on one page
and have mini images to show what game we mean if itās not both
like a SN and BZ icon
and a template for whole sections or pages of game-specific info
heady gulch
I personally donāt feel the two wikis should be merged.
summer kindle
Yes but I donāt like the appearance of it.
heady gulch
For me itās mostly because of accessibility and worry of too much information cluttering one page and discerning just through search features what is bz only and what isnāt
A lot to do with formatting and organization
summer kindle
Same
heady gulch
The more added the increasing issue of clutter there is, and pages that rarely get accessed or looked at.
maiden cloud
I mean merging the wiki doesn't necessarily mean merging the pages
summer kindle
I know
agile spindle
thatās the best looking way to do it though
heady gulch
Depends. Some things that both games share have different functions if I remember correctly, or functions werenāt in the original game, example: bases and their relation with the control room.
agile spindle
we can use templates to separate info related to different games
clever lion
There a number of different ways you could do this - separate pages but noting which game it it in the title (Item A (game B)), separate page sections for both games, drawing the line via categories, and templates are an option, too, although we'd want to make sure they work for mobile users and not just for desktop. If you have infoboxes on the pages where you want to show that these are similar but different depending on the game, an infobox update we just released might be helpful: https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:FishTank/Portable_Infoboxes_now_offer_more_community_customization_options
agile spindle
using tabs is a bit odd because users have to constantly click to get to the game they want on every page
heady gulch
Mhm.
agile spindle
maybe if it could remember their game?
heady gulch
Then thereās certain content only in below zero, like the large base room, I can see stuff conflicting with the navboxes
heady gulch
What about the content the two games share?
maiden cloud
If cross-wiki transclusion is a thing that would be good
agile spindle
hm
hallow basalt
that's the issue i see with merging
maiden cloud
If Fandom added such a thing
hallow basalt
repeated content is gonna be confusing
the hotline miami wiki talks about both games
agile spindle
having two pages for every single repeated content is just so messy
hallow basalt
but idk that's a more chornological game so
maybe use tabbers?
like the blood kelp zone page has it now
agile spindle
those arenāt visible enough
hallow basalt
make them bigger š¤
agile spindle
and people only looking for one game might have to click on every page to get the right info
cause we can only default to one tabber
hallow basalt
true
clever lion
Plus, tabber tends to not work well (or at all) for mobile users
agile spindle
is there an alternative to them? some of our pages are already separated like that
clever lion
Most of the time, separate pages are the alternative, or putting what would be on separate tabs in separate sections on the same page, so that users can navigate to what they want via the table of contents
agile spindle
iāll try to make a test page for the icons/template usage i was referring to
late island
Why do you want to split the wiki?
I find it much easier to have two
so you know that everything you're looking at on a page relates BZ if you aren't looking for stuff about the first SN, or the reverse.
Besides if we do with this unknown worlds wiki hub idea, having them split would work even better.
So until moving out of FANDOM is out of the question I wouldn't mess with how they're split.
frail dragon
If we merge the wikis itāll be confusing for viewers, make everything cluttered, and mistakes might be made such as editing / viewing the wrong page
Iām against merging it but this is just my opinion and itās the wiki keeperās choice
paper flare
why don't we do it hub style
frail dragon
Hub style?
paper flare
like one main page that has a bunch of links including links to all UWE related game wikis
idk if you can do that in FANDOM though
frail dragon
Maybe
clever lion
Of course you could put links to other wikis on the main page
If you do that, though, you can just as well put links to subsections on the wiki, and users will find the content for the game they're interested in without leaving the wiki.
late island
That's what I was saying Cuno
But I was referring to having there be a main hub page on an UWE run site
so to go through with that idea we'd have to move
summer kindle
Speaking of, we need to make out Below Zero page on the Subnautica Wiki more noticeable
The link to the BZ wiki is kinda out of the way
fierce imp
like this maybe
eager turtle
Thats cool
paper flare
frail dragon
wth is the Mountain Ranges biome https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/Mountain_Range_Caves
gaunt stag
im lost my save
frail dragon
paper flare
pure thistle
or #šbug-smash @gaunt stag
paper flare
as i was saying
frail dragon
"im lost my save"
paper flare
You could make a new wiki
gaunt stag
in my save is have the seamos
paper flare
I've seen tons of wikis that have merged
can you just leave
and go to #subnautica-chat
like we've told you literally over five times
pure thistle
You were here when the wiki keepers discussed merging the wikis, correct?
fluid lagoon
no
pure thistle
@ cuno
paper flare
i wasn't in the chat
frail dragon
who was this one
summer kindle
Wiki merging? No it wasnāt most people were not in favour of it
pure thistle
I think Dinofuzz had some critiques with it
summer kindle
Dinofuzz, Xenodrone and myself have expressed that we would prefer to keep them separate
paper flare
then get a hosted webpage
pure thistle
I think it was discussed of making a UWE wiki entirely
all with separate pages for each game
paper flare
...that's what i said
paper flare
and we know that
fierce imp
foxy was the only non-wiki keeper there
fluid lagoon
not anymore
paper flare
oh
frail dragon
did Foxy even change anything on the SN wiki at all
paper flare
no he's just some random guy
pure thistle
In my opinion the wikis atm are outdated in their navigation
paper flare
what
frail dragon
^
pure thistle
Navigating through the wiki feels outdated.
paper flare
what
frail dragon
how
paper flare
how can something "feel" outdated
pure thistle
not the information being outdated - the design of it
paper flare
wh
pure thistle
categorization and navigation to different parts of the wiki just looks outdated imo
frail dragon
it doesnt really
paper flare
^
frail dragon
unless you're comparing it to the new ugly google chrome and windows 10 "modern" design
pure thistle
no
summer kindle
@frail dragon Foxy is one of the guys that works on the UWE hosted NS2 wiki. We gave him the role so he could join the conversation because obviously he has valuable insight in that area.
fierce imp
foxy did most of the talking
frail dragon
ok
summer kindle
Nothing would have happened without him there lol
cinder kestrel
If we did make a decision, I do not remember what it was.
paper flare
oh
pure thistle
I think it was just general talk about reform for the first one
frail dragon
has it always said subnautica.fandom.com?
cinder kestrel
It used to be--what vee says.
frail dragon
i just realized how dumb "tho" sounds
paper flare
why would you bring a FANDOM guy into this
cinder kestrel
Why would we bring a FANDOM staff member into something concerning FANDOM?
Let's ask a FANDOM staff member.
clever lion
Because it's always way easier to stay on a platform rather than move, especially if the platform is willing to work with you
paper flare
because they obviously won't like the idea of you leaving
pure thistle
Its their job to help you do it though. Its worse to do it without fandom's assistance lol
cinder kestrel
It presents us with difficulties as well, if we do leave.
They lose revenue, we have to do more work.
paper flare
exactly
cinder kestrel
On the other hand, we get more flexibility in how we design the technical bits of the wiki.
clever lion
And your wiki would most likely drop in Google search results, at least for a while, possibly long-term, because it would then compete with itself
pure thistle
I dont think that's much off an issue
paper flare
yes it is
clever lion
It is if you care about people finding your content
pure thistle
Now if you get a fandom member to delete that page and or make it so it wont pop up when you search for SN wiki that issue would not exist.
cinder kestrel
We get 1.2 million viewers a week, and it would definitely job--for some time, if not a while.
pure thistle
š¤·
summer kindle
Fandom wouldnāt delete the wiki
cinder kestrel
Now if you get a fandom member to delete that page and or make it so it wont pop up when you search for SN wiki that issue would not exist.
You really think that would solve the issue?
For a generic gaming wiki, they tried making one wiki a redirect. Traffic dropped.
paper flare
it's a whole thing
clever lion
Fandom wouldn't do that - after all, a for-profit company won't do anything that actively hurts their revenue
summer kindle
^
paper flare
it can't just be solved with the snap of a finger
it's a whole process
which will take time and planning
if it does happen, it certainly won't be within the next few months
pure thistle
Never said it would be easy I just said it could be helped by a fandom staff member
lol
clever lion
If you're talking about merging two wikis on Fandom, then yes
pure thistle
Also delete was the wrong word
clever lion
If you're talking about moving a wiki away from Fandom, then no
pure thistle
Soo how else do you propose doing it? Like its going to be a worse challenge if you dont have some form of complacency with fandom.
late island
Yeah as much as I'd like to change there is the whole issue of FANDOM taking up the corpse of our wiki when we leave
late island
I don't think there's a way to get rid of all our old contributions
clever lion
You couldn't. If a community leaves, they leave their wiki behind, and Fandom will protect it from vandalism - even vandalism from its former owners
fluid lagoon
why would we do that
cinder kestrel
Fandom wouldn't do that - after all, a for-profit company won't do anything that actively hurts their revenue
pure thistle
I dont think the SN team would like to get involved either so š¤
agile spindle
idk if itās clear but cuno doesnāt have any experience editing on the wiki, keep that in mind
cinder kestrel
New editors (probably not as good) would take it up the wiki.
late island
so I'd just have to deal with my edits being draped over the wikis undead body
paper flare
if you want to redirect it onto the new wiki
tue why does that matter
I'm an admin on two other wikis
I have some experience
stuck pawn
not on the SN wikis you don't
paper flare
did I say sn wiki?
cinder kestrel
I think tomless means it does not matter if you have experience on other wikis.
paper flare
can i not contribute because i don't participate in editing?
cinder kestrel
I partially disagree, partially agree.
agile spindle
sorry my wifi sucks here
cinder kestrel
We will take your messages whenever you can send them.
Just don't say "yes" and hope it looks like you responded to the right thing.
agile spindle
but i think itās hard for you to participate in the discussion because some of the issues are more relevant to our wikis whereas they may not affect yours as much
paper flare
yes but I try and take knowledge from past wikis and apply it here without getting content in the way
agile spindle
and as youāve clearly stated before you ādonāt care about the wikisā
paper flare
your wikis
pure thistle
I dont think UWE would want to get involved either to absolve the issue
paper flare
UWE isn't going to get involved
agile spindle
they are okay with the idea
paper flare
they don't care about the wiki
fluid lagoon
we literally spoke to the president of UWE
paper flare
oh
pure thistle
Well that entirely redirects my assumption.
late island
Cuno can you not join these conversations you don't know the details of
agile spindle
ted said theyād be willing if it is the better decision
late island
you aren't helping anything
fluid lagoon
said president of UWE also co-founded Fandom
late island
just making it worse
paper flare
as you wish
paper flare
which i try
pure thistle
you act too commanding with how you speak
frail dragon
paper flare
but in the end get criticized for it
pure thistle
š¤· w/e
late island
kind of got us off track talking to the fandom person
paper flare
what
pure thistle
Go
late island
talking to mira
cinder kestrel
You do know Mira Laime is from FANDOM, right?
paper flare
yes
but when i commented you weren't in the midst of talking
then other people started talking
late island
Anyway
I doubt there's a way to remove our edits from the old wiki
so we'd just have to deal with fandom still trying to use them for more revenue
still doesn't sway me towards not moving away from fandom though
just something we'd have to deal with
frail dragon
ok i asked this before but uh it got lost in a discussion
what is the Mountain Ranges??? https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/Mountain_Range_Caves
late island
it's the mountains
the link even directs to the mountains page
is that all you were asking
frail dragon
why was it referred to as the mountain range...?
frail dragon
wth is this paragraph
"Reaper Leviathans can be frequently heard roaring outside, and for good reason. It is advised to be cautious when leaving the Mountain Range Caves as you could stumble onto a Reaper Leviathan that could be close to one of the cave entrances."
should i remove this
its true but i guess it sounds a little "unprofessional" or something
stuck pawn
Khaglun made it in 2015 so I guess that's a reason
Lee you don't need to ask if edits should be done/not done
do them and if they aren't necessary then one of us will revert it
frail dragon
ok
wait
can reapers be heard in the "mountain ranges caves"? I have only been there a bit but didn't hear any reaper leviathans
worldly jasper
Yeah, you can hear them
frail dragon
wait so i dont know how to fix up the "mountain ranges caves" page so someone else could do it
stuck pawn
i'll do it
maiden cloud
maiden cloud
I read the backlog and got progressively more and more annoyed by their messages
willow warren
I'm not surprised
maiden cloud
I don't know what two other Wikis you're an admin on but goddamn
heady gulch
@paper flare i know im late to the convo but I agree with the others, your rudeness and pessimistic talk here doesnt help. If you are going to be shooting down ideas then help come up with new ones and solutions.
paper flare
why are you bringing this back up again
agile spindle
cause every time we tell you you come back here next discussion anyway and dont change
heady gulch
because i would like to give my say on the situation.
whether you want to listen or respond to it is up to you
paper flare
says they want me gone; out of here
pings me just to criticize me
agile spindle
I don't want you gone out of the channel completely but I wish you'd be more constructive
heady gulch
find an instance from december to now when i openly stated i want you gone then cuno.
paper flare
then why are you criticizing me every message i make
it really isn't fair
i wasn't referring just to you xeno
agile spindle
I wasn't here for the last conversation, I just read up
paper flare
it wasn't just you either
agile spindle
doesn't that tell you it isnt just me thinking it then
maiden cloud
Don't you think it's a little irritating to come out with something like "UWE doesn't care about the wiki" when you have absolutely nothing to back that up with?
paper flare
because I give misinformation once in a while makes everyone hate me?
heady gulch
well foxy didnt ping you, so who is it.
paper flare
correct me but please don't completely shut me down
agile spindle
Cuno none of us speak out of our asses when it comes to wiki discussion
heady gulch
No its not that, its because of your pessimistic attitude youve had in this channel for well, a long time.
agile spindle
rip foxy lol
cinder kestrel
mentions: Cuno#3435
Those guys pinged Cuno.
maiden cloud
Eep
heady gulch
I didnt mind it until the others started to note it and bring it up
maiden cloud
There's over 10,000 people in this Discord and you make UWE look like garbage to the casual observer when the president of the company set up a meeting to try and solve the problems with the Wiki
heady gulch
btw how did the meeting go?
agile spindle
with Ted?
paper flare
because i gave misinformation once you're going to assume that's what happened?
maiden cloud
Really good I think
heady gulch
yeah, i wasnt in it.
maiden cloud
It's not the frequency it's the potential impact
paper flare
then i was corrected
agile spindle
Basically Ted said he's willing to consider the merge but we have to try to compromise with Fandom first, he just wants us to make the best decision
paper flare
so don't say I was making "UWE look like garbage" when I really am not
maiden cloud
[citation needed] so to speak
Answer the question then, how did you come to the conclusion that UWE don't care?
paper flare
did you even read what i just said
maiden cloud
I read the backlog
agile spindle
You didn't really answer how you came to that conclusion
heady gulch
for the merge, I think its alright but im onboard as long as theres a plan to work out all the issues with combining the two wikis, mostly with accessibility.
agile spindle
foxy understands that you admit it was misinformation
paper flare
because why would UWE care about a simple wiki for their game
I assumed they had better things to do
paper flare
so I apologize if I made it sound like that
heady gulch
Cory Strader02/16/2017
Yes, there's a community made wiki. Very complete info, and I find myself, along with other SN developers using it to look up stuff about our game that we didn't even know š
agile spindle
Xeno I meant the merge to a UWE-hosted site, Ted said he's willing if we really want to
cinder kestrel
Want more recent examples?
paper flare
sls you shouldn't get involved at all
maiden cloud
heady gulch
why shouldnt he get involved? hes a wiki keeper like the rest of us.
cinder kestrel
You are right, as a Wiki Keeper in #šwiki-discussion , this Wiki discussion in #šwiki-discussion has no relevance to me at all, even if I care about it.
paper flare
and your point is?
heady gulch
doesnt matter how recent it was said.
maiden cloud
Correct, you made a huge assumption with no evidence that contributes nothing to the ongoing discussion
heady gulch
it disproves your point about their lack of care.
maiden cloud
Utter hyperbole
maiden cloud
lmao
agile spindle
Why shouldn't SLS be a part of this?
You keep saying these things with no reasoning
heady gulch
hes as much of a wiki keeper as the rest of the wiki keepers.
maiden cloud
SLS has infinitely more right in this discussion than you or I
cinder kestrel
hes as much of a wiki keeper as the rest of the wiki keepers.
Well, my bot has more authority on the wiki than I do, but let's just forget about that.
maiden cloud
The point is why are you here
maiden cloud
What are you trying to achieve
agile spindle
please try harder to be more constructive if you're gonna insist on participating
maiden cloud
????
paper flare
message for message
maiden cloud
Then how will you know if you're being constructive or not
stuck pawn
then give us a constructive message
agile spindle
stop saying criticizable things message for message
paper flare
it's called constructive criticism
heady gulch
my point is If your going to interject your pessimism into our discussions, then dont stand around on your high rock and do nothing to help solve the issues stated in the discussions.
cinder kestrel
my point is If your going to interject your pessimism into our discussions, then dont stand around on your high rock and do nothing to help solve the issues stated in the discussions.
That might be our most constructive critique yet.
Which does not say too much on our part.
heady gulch
i cant tell if thats sarcasm or not but your welcome.
cinder kestrel
Yay.
So, snowstalker is a thing. Is it in the game yet, or does it need {{NotInGame}}?
heady gulch
is the spawn just a placeholder spawn for them to test things?
agile spindle
theyre spawning in that biome anyway i think
heady gulch
ah alright
heady gulch
i thought they were spawning there just to see how they deal with terrain
cinder kestrel
That is possible as well.
agile spindle
Well I believe theyre spawning in that biome anyway
Those specific spawn points might stay, so I think it's worth removing the template
heady gulch
Considering the lack of land based fauna in subnautica, i figured this would be to test more on surface-based fauna and AI
agile spindle
You might be right
if they get removed from spawning naturally then I'll just add the template back
heady gulch
It would explain why they are spawning in experimental despite being incomplete if you ask me.
in subnautica was this done in the past in experimental mode to test in dev creatures and the ai?
agile spindle
i dont remember them ever pushing updates that are literally positioned for testing
usually the stuff is half-done or some effort was made to put them in the right place
this time though they stuck one of each plant down and called it a day
but the snowstalkers look more in place
heady gulch
whats this biome name? I remember one being named Hoverbike test or something
agile spindle
Maybe @clever lion is present to assist
heady gulch
heres another question, how should pictures of the snow stalker be taken considering its a main surface based creature.
usually its just get a snapshot of it in its natural biome and a few void pics
late island
Do the same then
heady gulch
hm, alright, I was wondering about that
agile spindle
real question is how to do it for the iceworm
heady gulch
true, that is a good question.
my best guess is do it where the terrain is flat, only the sky as a backdrop?
somewhere still indev
agile spindle
you can take flora pics in the void
late island
yeah
but I figured I'd give some kind of background
and some of those flora need ground or else they spawn sideways
agile spindle
@hallow basalt https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/File:InfectedHands.png
heady gulch
thats a really good pic
agile spindle
i pulled it from the files
fierce imp
you can spawn the ice worm in the void and use the iceworm command to make it emerge
you would probably need to edit out the ice chunks though
heady gulch
I dont think that would be right because the iceworm's colors are already pretty dark and as a surface creature, making void pics for that just feels kinda awkward
and i say this because i have spawned the ice worm before in the void when i was testing out every creature to see which ones the spiketrap would drag in.
hallow basalt
@agile spindle omg thanks
agile spindle
np
fierce imp
the ice worm looks fine to me in the void with fog off
agile spindle
Can we start taking sizerefs somewhere brighter
the diving suit is mostly black so it's almost impossible to make out in big sizerefs
late island
where else would we take them
agile spindle
near the water surface like 200m down
agile spindle
whats bad about blue?
We're not really trying to make out details just compare the player and the subject
hallow basalt
b l u e
late island
You'll probably be able to see the person in the sizeref even less if there's a bunch of water fogging it up
agile spindle
So how do we solve the sizeref being hard to see?
late island
keep taking it in the void
agile spindle
I can barely see it
frail dragon
Idk but I can
agile spindle
frail dragon
I only have trouble seeing it on the lowest screen brightness
hallow basalt
i know the huge leviathan arrow is a bit obvious
but just for the sake of being able to easily spot it
agile spindle
this doesnt work as much as i hoped it might
fluid lagoon
ascension
frail dragon
What about under the water
late island
Tueman you can't see the sizeref there because there's an insane amoutn of bloom and dithering
agile spindle
i realize that
late island
actually that probably means you can see it better
I think the main issue is that they don't have heads
agile spindle
that one does have a head
late island
and sizeref needs to be placed on something
Yeah because you shoved it on top of the Chelicerate
which also means its sideways
agile spindle
i wasnt trying too hard since it was just an idea
i dont think it works though, what with the water and sun showing
late island
I'm not sure you could get any better with that method
summer kindle
I miss when creatures used to just spawn in without the fade in effect
Made pictures and sizerefs a lot simpler
agile spindle
just speed 0.1 and its fine
summer kindle
They often move slightly still
Iāll have two creatures perfectly aligned and then by the time the fade in is finished theyāre angled differently
agile spindle
if only i could figure out how to use create
agile spindle
I messed with the Databank template to make it a bit better code-wise so if anything (particularly the image) breaks then let me know
stuck pawn
agile spindle
thank you good sir
agile spindle
should all be fixed now
agile spindle
https://favro.com/organization/35200a08dbbad85b26102638/0d9378db42299691bb14c708?card=Unk-4432 based off this i would think Cory himself does the PDA images
fluid lagoon
i thought rantology did some of those
summer kindle
Doesnāt necessarily mean that
fluid lagoon
as well as Fox3D
summer kindle
All the artists work under Cory so they send a task to him and he allocates someone to it
fluid lagoon
art god
summer kindle
Rantology and Oleg do the PDA images afaik. And mostly Oleg.
Actually I guess Fox3D does them too
agile spindle
thats rough, dino wanted the renders but its kind of tougher if not just one person is making them
heady gulch
Okay so hereās an idea.
For the surface creatures we do the size refs and what not here instead of the void.
The area has plenty of space
summer kindle
Why is that better than this
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/subnautica-arctic/images/c/c1/Snowstalker_Sizeref.png/revision/latest?cb=20190314041439
Actually how was this one even made
agile spindle
dino's magic lol
summer kindle
@late island explain
late island
I turned off anti aliasing to make the bg easy to cut out
heady gulch
My disliking of the void pics for surface creatures is that I think itās better fit for the pictures to be on the surface instead of void placement.
late island
and put a black background