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so that's why the drop pod has that weird texture over the window
Perfection
that's a... creative way to make reflections i guess
the intensity needs to be turned down with reflections
That's not uncommon for reflections
at least they kinda distort and aren't just static
you can see it in other things too tueman.
The Cabin looks fine
it is shinier than the others
not for me
only happens at night
Sorry to interrupt but why do the navboxes on the wiki now have a category for leviathans specifically?
Could it be the issue where the other modules are unpowered for no reason?
Because that's how it's organized allo
because they are sorted the way the pda is sorted

what
and we never got an explanation
thus continues the mystery of the SN discord users
why do they do like they do
Check in for Season 2.
what
thatâs how the PDA is sorted, itâs more accurate anyway.
The less you have to slot into herbivore/carnivore the better
What
I feel it is a change that should happen sooner rather than later
Put the wiki onto UWE?
a UWE hosted site
Well we gotta get the devs for that
hugh is the website guy right?
I feel like Hugh probably
among other things
hugh is active on twitter
I feel stupid so explain UWE.
unknown worlds entertainment
they make subnautica
might've heard of it
I was thinking email rather than twitter, unless you guys think tweeting him is fine
I a m s t u p I d
Can someone link that NS2 wiki they host
I understood the UW but I usually only know it by Unknown Worlds. I donât usually remember it as Unknown Worlds Entertainment
do we have anything on the wiki about being able to place solar panels on top of the sea truck
or is that a bug
Oh it is this one
probably bug
i think thats a bug
Thatâs some very nice teeth buddy.
colgate
I wonder when weâll get the Shadow Leviathan rig.
9/10 fish aprove
oh uh what are you using to pose it
cause, the fish say so
Whoâs the non believer?
are we tweeting hugh then?
actually probably better to email
Emails are more formal imo.
Well who's going to send the email
I sent one to david for the sound files but I think dino or bippity is probably better at it
Letâs elect someone.
what is this email about
I vote Bippity.
why
Well they know you, and you're pretty known to be a concise guy
Is that so
Bippity and Vee are the two closest to the devs.
And they've done this kind of thing before.
i dont think it should be vee
I donât think Vee wants to.
Why wouldn't you want it to be Vee?
she's notoriously bad at explaining things
lol
Maybe through your eyes and experiences.
well it depends on what she's explaining
Anyway she hasn't been participating in this conversation, whereas bippity has
Barely
Doesn't mean she can't be a candidate
Vee will now say something
bippity was also part of the original discussion with foxy
Veeâs to busy playing YouTube anyways.
anyway it's not a huge deal who sends it, I think most of us are adept enough at writing emails
So @summer kindle are you cool with doing it?
no
oh ok
Can Dino do it?
Iâm awful at writing emails so it would probably be a step backwards
I guess if I had to
but once again
what about Vee?
She's written the devs before.
And I also donât really care for what Iâm writing about here
ask her if she wants to
you can just ping and ask her
go away i'm eating potatoes
Whole
ok dino
Raw
understandable
no
ok tueman
do you guys really want me writing it
maybe not Tueman
i say we send tueman
no one else wants to
you dont even trust me to change the name colors
dino there arent really any other candidates than you
maybe xeno?
just finished my 8th potato
And nobody even cares enough to write the email
i do care enough but ive been voted out
âDear Hugh
Can we please import the wiki from Fandom.com to UWE?
Thanks,
(Sender)â
Expert
I'd like to leave wikia forever because it's trash
but I don't know if I'd be the best at writing an email to the devs.
If it really came down to it I could try.
Just copy what I said.
uuuuugggggggggghhhhhhhhh what do you people need written
i can write it after i've finished my 9th potato
asking hugh to host the wiki on UWE
yell at hugh to move the wiki to a unknownworlds hosted site
that's a lot of potatoes
We want our wiki better.
believe me there are way more than 9 to be eaten but i am going to die if i eat any more
seems healthy
hey
wow what r u a pansy
consume vegetal
youre a vegetable
that's the 3rd time i've been called a vegetable
for what reasons do we need to leave fandom
bad
its garbage
fanDUMB
Itâs bad looking.
i need better reasons than this you clowns
The staff is incompetent
those videos
videos
fandom videos
i like fandom.. except for the videos
They are featureless and built their site around the viewers rather than the long-term editors
and they won't let me do any bigger edits to the css
oh boy i'm gonna get kicked
ok
ok and what benefits do we get from being hosted on UWE
More freedom
also the wiki is at the mercy of fandom if they decide to do anything profoundly stupid
Hugh's blessings
so when i say that we want to be hosted on UWE do i just say like
the UWE domain or something
Like the NS2 wiki I assume
on a UWE-hosted site
it makes me happy that andrew's picture on their website is still the same
Of proto-Andrew?
Before he shed his hair
majestic
punk rock andrew
alright nerds how is this
Looks good to me
@agile spindle @late island
đ thanks vee
sweet
I can ask Foxy more about the process
ouch the issue is he hasnt been active on this server since 3/31/18,
im worried lukas doesnt know about the NS2 wiki
I can ask him in the forum's groupchat. does anyone know how to invite users in??
is that a feature in the forums?
I'm still poking around
I can get back in touch with Hugh about kick starting this if there's a consensus you want to move away from Fandom
@maiden cloud We've emailed Lukas about it (Obraxis said that was the guy to talk to)
i was also told to CC david but i accidentally just put david in the list of people to send it to and i am in immense pain
why do i have you blocked
Lukas is the web god for sure, but Hugh did all the set up of the current NS2 wiki. I guess he does do it, but it's not his first preference.
Any idea if base air pump will be available with the upcoming patch?
?
The thingy that sucks water out of the base, like in the first subnautica that you build it from the habitat builder
Last time that I was on, I couldn't find it
it sucks water out of the base?
why is this in the wiki chat
Cuz there's no really support chat except of tech support, but I don't think it's really for there
It's a question about the BZ game
I'm just gonna buy subnautica on pc, will save me 80 quid on an ssd
then go to the BZ chat?
I tried, they don't really know since they are players as well
like a gforce gtx 970 is a potato gpu
And not from the team
will i get better fps if i play subnautica with a ssd
I thought that maybe the ppl who updating wiki, knows whats coming in each patch
So I tried
ok
does this warrant an extended block
yes
this time he canât post on his own wall either
so iâm gonna get my community wall spammed but eh
How many times has he been told to stop?
itâs not his first block
i blocked him like a week ago for trying to incite a protest against the wiki
write on the community central post on my wall
since he canât respond on the wiki anymore
Mm
I was busy with a test, should I add to the conversation to clarify anything for him?
i think he refuses to understand at this point
nothing you can say will help him get it
"i'm gonna tell my friends subnautica is a bad game, and they'll totally tell their friends that subnautica is a bad game, and soon everyone in the universe will know subnautica is a bad game!"
No wonder they call themselves the âcowardly gamerâ
what have you done
the wiki keeper's bidding
true
so iâm gonna get my community wall spammed but eh
There is such a thing as telling a moderator on Community Central and getting the user blocked there.
Iâm lost whatâs going on?
And tueman said that more spam could happen on Community Central.
If it does happen, then the spammer will get blocked on Community Central (if tueman reports it).
And then we can all eat cured holefish.
heâs not spamming
i thought he might but he was less aggressive with his posting than on the wiki
@ tueman#7241 It is absolutely critical that you be told manually that you have a message on Community Central and it is not good enough that you received a notification from the system.
yes i saw every one of his posts
unfortunately
Feelsbadman
yes i saw every one of his posts
Aright, just making sure before I--I have no idea what I will do next.
I breathed.
aright
2. Be respectful towards each other, from the most active admin to the newest newbie.
@cinder kestrel Admins and mods get the final say, respect their decisions.
this covers whatever we dont put in the guidelines
One might think the user violated the rules.
Staying on Fandom vs. moving this community to Gamepedia | Subnautica Wiki | FANDOM powered by Wikia
Should I tell him we'll get back to him about it?
Oh I misread it
Is there anything I should tell him other than the videos and the fact that editing is garbage?
we arenât allowed to do big changes to the CSS
u think somebody named eva is gonna be a dude
click on their profile
you're right though
anyway since lukas responded to me today it is now time to take bets on how long it will be until he gets back to me again

I say 2 days
<@&192900629797142528> EVERYONE GET IN HERE I HAVE A CONNECTION WITH THE PRESIDENT OF UWE WHAT DO WE DO
Hu H
say hello
he said he wants to solve our problem with wikia though
~~#sn-discord-rules ~~Get refunds on buying the game because we are Wiki Keepers and deserve free stuff?
WHADDAPEN
which i just want to move away from it though
WHATD HE SAY
"Hi again, Vee!
I want to introduce Ted, our President. He has a lot of experience with
Wikia, and might be able to figure out a solution to your problem.
Let me know if I can help with anything."
Are you supposed to respond?
Our problem is wikia bad
our problem is that we need to move the wiki to somewhere else
Or else get the long list of issues resolved.
that wont happen
before it gets popular enough for them to shove more of those godawful videos on it
its unlikely fandom will give us what we want
There are various issues I've had, but the two main ones are those absolute garbage videos they refuse to let us remove or remake and restrictive css editing.
yeah those two are the headline issues
I'd rather just move out than try and come to some weird compromise with FANDOM
imagine using visual editor ever
why did i ever stop eating potatoes for you people
i'm not capable of speaking with the PRESIDENT OF UWE
Fandom just puts their little petprojects that they call videos all over the wiki, and remember with that user tueman, the one who we are still having problems with? was there a report feature? Didnt you have to search around to look for something like that
It was under contact
which makes sense, but seems like a slow response kind of solution
I feel like with fandom staff they are honestly neglectful to a lot of things and brush aside the complaints about videos
ive been to other wikis that had videos and seen enormous polls with huge majorities saying they would rather have the fandom videos removed.
Can we get the President into this chat, or do we want to be more formal?
I doubt he will want to come in, let's stick to email
(Wait, which one is the President?)
ted gill
ted has actually been on the discord before
he deleted a message asking him to be some dude's sugar daddy
because this is discord
Its better to just email him then to subject him through a wall of text worth of complaints on discord
i could give the complaints and then at the end suggest that communicating over discord works
Sounds like a good idea to me
yep that works
ok so our two big problems are
the videos
and
the restrictive CSS editing
make sure to point out that those arent the only issues
fandom is built for the viewers/newer editors rather than long-term editors
elaborate
like the fact that visual editor is the default, and wiki activity is the default rather than recentchanges
Vee didnt you do something on the wiki once and then a staff came and undid it? I dont remember the details on it
We wanted to talk to you about the issues we are encountering on FANDOM. First, one of their features is Featured Videos ( https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/Help:Featured_Videos ), which for us, is not working well. The footage they use is usually footage of YouTubers messing with the features (e.g., a Sea Dragon Leviathan spawned in the Grassy Plateaus) and information is generally inaccurate. Second, we are limited in our CSS options. For example, we would like to force all links to Spoiler articles to be black unless hovered over, but this is not allowed. Also, [insert more complaints].
Resolving the first problem would require a lot of effort as we would have to cast our own video to replace the current ones. The second problem has no apparent solution. In general, we feel there is more focus on newer editors and community engagement than there on older editors and fabricating a wiki. Unless you can pull some strings for us, we would like to have this wiki hosted by you guys. What are your thoughts?
Thanks,
The Wiki Keepers```
Xeno that was dino
details are fuzzy for me, my mistake
Dinofuzzy
We would like to force all links to Spoiler articles to be black unless hovered over, but this is not allowed.
Plus other stuff, I think.
he was tryna change stuff in wiki activity i believe
yeah he hid the titles of articles in wiki activity so people wouldnât get spoiled
then fandom staff came out of the shadows and reverted it
lemon
i have been reminded that ted is also the co-founder of fandom and i am dying inside
oh did you forget about that lol
i remembered him being SOMETHING
i think it's fine to criticize fandom
i mean whats he gonna do, get pissed at us for wanting the best experience
why doesn't the 360 degree swivel chair not spin 360 degrees it even says in the description that it spins 360 degrees i want an answer to this lol ples
it doesnât spin because youâre not in #subnautica-chat
we donât want to replace the videos, just get rid of them entirely
well SLS said you did
no that was just another option we were looking into
if we move out of fandom we wonât need to
other than that tidbit the email looks great
"here are our main issues in closer detail. One of our main issues"
You probably do not want to repeat the same two words so close to each other.
Maybe "One of our main is" should be "One is that."
done
Getting rid of the videos is obviously out of the question
Having them possibly be more customisable is more realistic but you know, itâs still Fandom.
we need to rename the Exchanger Rocket page to Cargo Transfer Launchpad
I just want those vids gone
That seems like an excessively detailed email!
Also, you're gonna have trouble from fandom when you try and move as they will keep all the content, and the traffic
ok ok ok, now that's just wrong | Community Central | FANDOM powered by Wikia
angery
-> how do we deal with moving content?
Maybe database dumps help? https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Statistics
no i mean are we allowed to
iâm about to extend his block to a year i think
iâve had enough of this guy
no
thereâs no lead admin
<@&192900629797142528> fandom staff has offered to remove the videos and offer several more solutions to our complaints because we threatened to leave fandom
god what am i going to tell ted now
i still think we should push to leave because making changes like this clearly requires too much effort to stay
Mm I say we wait to see if they deliver on their word first,
Apologies for just barging in. I feel like I might save you some work if I drop in to answer your questions directly.
I'm the same Mira Laime who wrote the wall post (feel free to verify if you want)
Hm?
okay, i read your post about the videos and visual editor; does that including all videos on our wiki?
Yes. I believe there are 41 of them.
and we also have complaints about css editing: in the past we tried to make changes to special: wiki activity but they were undone by staff without warning or discussion
I see - that is Fandom's general policy simply because there are so many wikis and so many customizations that we generally don't have the capacity to contact the community's admins first and talk about exactly why they made those changes, whether the same could be achieved in other ways, or even explain why it violates our customization policy. I could put you in touch with someone from our ComTech team to talk about this
They're usually the ones reverting these edits. If your community needs to hide spoiler links, they can help you find the best way to do that. And if it's what you've already been doing, putting it back is possible
They just want to make sure custom CSS doesn't break anything on the site for anyone, and ideally works for mobile users, too
the thing is that if we move away from fandom these changes would be far easier to make, since we wouldnât have to deal with contacting fandom staff; a website hosting by UWE allows us more freedom
That's quite possible. If that helps, though: Removing the Featured Videos would be done by Fandom - no work by you is required. Disabling the VE as the wiki's default editor is also something Fandom can do. It's quite quick - I can do it in about five minutes, and if it's been such a big problem for the community, I see no reason not to
Plus, since I'm here on your Discord now, you can ping me directly if you need something urgently from Fandom staff. When you use Special:Contact, you should always receive a response (let me know if you haven't - we'll want to look into this). But if it's urgent or very important, that's a shortcut you can take
If, in the future, we come up with a feature that clashes with fandom policy thatâd lock us out of implementing it
whereas our own site might allow us to do so
It's great to see someone from Fandom reaching out, I will say that
That's correct. If you host your own site, you have complete freedom
There are downsides to that, though, for example: Fandom has an entire team dedicated to SEO, so it'll be hard to match that if you have to do everything yourself
If you have technical issues, our Tech Support team is there to help.
My personal issue with Fandom Et al. is that they are essentially profiting from a non-profit. They use free software to drive huge ad traffic.
It's a trade-off for sure. Fandom wants to pay its employees, and our only way to do that is to put ads on the pages our users create. If done right (and I'm not saying Fandom has never made any mistakes in this regard) this is a win-win though. You don't have the hassle of having to run your own site, and Fandom is paid in revenue for providing the hosting, the support, and the SEO
You'll have to weigh whether the freedom to implement any and all customization is worth the hassle of moving, running your own site, losing traffic, and not having any support
UWE already hosts a wiki for a previous title that is still being developed, it's not much of a stretch to multi-wiki that to accommodate Subnautica
I'm an outside voice though
yeah the framework is there already
It's ultimately up to these guys to do what they feel is best
Are you aware that Fandom recently merged with Curse (Gamepedia)?
I read that
I also read that Curse were pretty bad for serving totally inappropriate ads
I hadn't heard that - although admittedly, if you serve any third party ads, there is going to be the odd bad one that slips through. That is really hard to avoid
For sure
I did see that but Iâm not aware of any changes that are planned as a result of the merge
By and large, Curse is known for really good user support and for allowing its wikis a lot of freedom (whereas Fandom is restrictive). The people who were in charge of that at Curse are now in Charge of the community team at Fandom, so you can expect to see some changes in overall strategy
On the flip side, Fandom is much better at mobile optimization. Fandom's pages look better on mobile and we've been much more successful with our apps (actually a consequence of being so restrictive and allowing less customization - it's much easier to make pages look pretty on mobile if there isn't so much custom css). Long-term, hopefully our users will get the best of both. This is all still pretty new and bigger changes will take a while to manifest, though.
Adding the videos in the first place strikes me as an inconsiderate move; how do we know Fandom wonât make changes like this in the future without consulting us?
yeah
Do you know the background story of why those videos were put out despite the community's protest?
no, what is it?
About two years ago, Fandom wanted to improve the ad quality on our site and just overall have nicer-looking but fewer ads. That means we can sell our ads for more money to advertisers, and annoy our users less - win/win. As part of that project, we figured out that the most valuable, most looked-at ads are the ones put before videos. But Fandom isn't exactly known as a video host. Most of the content users consume on our platform is text and images. So Fandom's leadership back then decided that we would produce our own videos, so we could put video ads in front of them, and due to the money those would make us, remove other ads from other parts of the site, like in the right rail and underneath the article text.
Originally, the plan was to leverage the communities' expertise to do that
I'd rather have the side ads than the videos
But that turned out to be REALLY hard to coordinate, so we ended up building a video team at Fandom that made those videos pretty much without community input. And we put those videos on the pages that are visited the most.
It needs to be said that those video ads made Fandom a TON of money. Mistakes were made, though.
That doesnât explain why it was done without the communitiesâ support
not sure that history changes much
The video team was put together really fast, and they were under a lot of pressure to churn out tons of videos, which why some of them contain errors and aren't that well made, and not updated once they're uploaded to a page
they're still incredibly low quality things churned out and forced upon us.
In general, Fandom's leadership at the time wanted to very much please advertisers, make our platform look really sleek and uniform, because that's how we'd make more money. The idea was that with more money, we can invest more into what wiki editors need down the road, too. They thought that everyone would ultimately benefit if we just make our site super modern, very mobile-friendly and have much fewer ads, although those ads would have to be a lot more obtrusive to make up for that
I still think the best solution would be to move to a dev hosted site, but if the devs themselves aren't willing to do that for whatever reason some kind of compromise is the next best thing.
We just have no guarantee that this wonât happen again in the future
They have already done that for NS2 though so I don't think they'd have a problem.
i agree with dinoâs statement
Since then, Fandom's leadership has completely changed (literally, there are different people in charge now) and we now want to focus much more on what editors need and what is best for communities, because the new team agrees that the fanciest ads are useless if the users aren't happy on Fandom
Am I mistaken or was Ted Gill in charge at the time?
So: There is no way to guarantee you that down the road, Fandom will never make a decision you don't like. That's just not possible. Ultimately we are a for-profit company, and if we did exactly and exclusively what editors want us to, we'd soon have a very diverse, complex site that confuses newbies and turns off advertisers. BUT what I can do is address the issues you have right now, potentially saving you a lot of work and hassle and making sure your content stays as nicely visible on Google as it is now, so fans of the game continue to find you. I'm pretty positive that you'll find Fandom's strategy really has changed and you'll be much happier about the next steps we're taking
Yes, Ted used to be at Fandom
I don't think not instantly being at the top of google searches or a move requiring some work outweigh our problems.
Are you guys in contact with him? I know he's now at UWE
For now though I just want to see what the devs say about moving.
yes weâre discussing with him about moving the wiki
I think weâre going to continue to talk to UWE about moving, but if they refuse then weâll compromise with fandom
unless the majority of us decide to stay, that is
I am just a little annoyed that making changes like this required saying we wanted to leave the site
It shouldn't have - ideally we would have listened to the concerns one of our major communities was having regardless. As I said, though, a while ago Fandom's leadership was much more focused on what would make advertisers happy, and even if members of the community team pointed out that some users are seriously unhappy and for good reason, we couldn't do anything to help them. Even now, although we know hardly any community really loves their Featured Videos, we can't simply remove them all immediately - we'd lose a huge chunk of money. First we have to find a way to make that money in other ways.
We've just started changing how we do things, made a ton of changes internally (users on the outside should see effects of that before long) and I am here talking to you now because we want to do things differently - and of course because we neither want to lose your community, nor piss of active and passionate users for no good reason.
I do appreciate you coming here to discuss it with us personally, thank you
I appreciate you allowing me to be part of your decision process. If you ultimately decide you really don't want to stay on Fandom, regardless of any changes we make, then that's fair. If you want to stay on Fandom under certain conditions, I'll do my best to make those happen. Or, if you really don't want to stay on Fandom, but moving to Gamepedia is an option, I can get you help with the move from their side.
from what i gather the hover lizard isnât a cut candidate anymore
or i canât find a card other than the one on surface experience
it never had a card before
do we leave it as a cut candidate? itâs card currently doesnât say that
letâs leave it since cory said itâs not likely to make it in
cute
it's like he has no recollection of past events
I donât think this guy understand how adminship works.
Common sense not found
I want to reply so badly to him but Iâm not going to
i closed the thread anyway
are these actually in-game??? https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/Purple_Pinecone
i've never seen one
They're hard to find
i couldve sworn I found everything in that game... I spent hours exploring every biome
somehow i never found that
so, how's this for the squidshark page? recorded it just now and made it a gif
it's a HUGE gif though lmfao- 23.35 mb
if you want i could try to reduce the filesize
but it would probably make it less high quality
@still vortex you using a custom palette for the gif?
in gif generation if you do a custom palette it can cut down gif size alot
oh is that like... the thing that makes the gif only use colors that are already in the gif?
yeah that's great
fandom's file size limit is 10mb though so you need to compress it
i'll do me best
yeah what are you using to generate gif?
ezgif lol
ok i found a way
just gimme a secundo to get the one that looks best
just gimme a secundo to get the one that looks best
(sorry if that sent twice or something, my internet's being a little hecky rn)
alright, this one is just under 10 mb
go ahead and add it to the page
very good
The thing about the Hover Lizard is that Obraxis said it probably will get in soon
so there's been conflicting things.
no it was during that stream of the Sea Truck he did
oh, thats more recent
so whats the line at which we can delete user pictures
cause milkpudding's profile gives me cancer
huh
it doesn't break the guidelines so
what happened to the dock worker?
is he just taking a break or is he dead or something
Probably got into a fight with the rock punchers and died.
wtf
you're seriously wanting to remove the gif i put just because i have a furry on my profile
no i just want to remove the furry
you can just ask and i would change it to something else
though the text bubble says "if there were two guys on the moon and one killed the other with a rock would that be messed up or what"
please change it
it's obvi a joke
i mean fine...
sigh... blank profile it is
that's really disappointing
whats going on?
ya

not like he could've done anything if you didn't remove it
yeah but i feel weird keeping it up if someone like. called me out on it
even if it's nothing bad
bruh just be like nahhhhh
i'm too submissive
i can't
i'd feel really messed up putting it back now
i'll just
go
ok??
i'm just gonna
put it back and continue trying to get nice gifs for the wiki...
is a thermal lily gif needed?
to show off the heat waves
there's a gif on the thermal lily page but its outdated
<@&192900629797142528> ted wants to know what time would work best for us to discuss the migration with him (possibly an additional vc session as well)
what like tomorrow?
my schedule is free on weekends
same
yeah i'd say a weekend
what if he doesnât work weekends?
I'm up from like 10AM to 2AM on most days
lemme bring up the message
"It'd be great to chat with the admins and editors in Discord and maybe hop on a quick call to discuss further. Where are you located? What time of day would work best for you to connect? I'm in San Francisco, PST."
weâre all US right, except bip?
i think so
for reference it's 7 pm for pst right now
Bip is up anyway
not always
its 7 pm as well.
but in the mornings heâs up pretty frequently i think
im in pacific time.
pacific high five
yea
thunder is 3 hours ahead of us.
everyone else then is EST i believe
or 2, i forgot
three
ah
Vee is an hour behind EST
so like noonish?
so CST that'd be
it's 9 right now
noon pst is 1 pm mst, 2 pm cst, 3 pm est
I'd be willing to do it tomorrow.
same,
if only bippity was here
tomorrow or sunday works for me as well
ok so what time frame do we want to give him
12-4 pst?
also who of you would want to vc with him if any of you
obviously i can't
i won't be available for that if that's the time we go for
on either day?
then again i'll probably just tell him that vc is a bad idea considering there's no wiki keeper exclusive vc
good point lol
heâll probably move us into the dev vc
probs
oh yeah that works
I'm sure there'd be a place we could talk privately
if you can't I could whip out my phone and talk
either day since i work the afternoons
epic voice reveal
if anything you could form a temporary group chat and call each other through that
what time works for u then fool @stuck pawn
what times do you work thunder
Yeah we could slide into Ted's DMs.
3-7 saturday
2-6 sunday
time zone
EST
that works for me
that also works
i like having a time frame more than a specific hour
I'd only say a specific time so I don't miss it
well it's so ted can choose what fits best
tell him those are the best hours for us, but we can pick a different time if he canât on that time
like 12-4 pst on either day as a backup
so 3-5 pm pst on sunday
and 12-4 pst on either day as a backup
yeah
works for all of us then
except bip. lol
bip will probably be available
i'm sure he'll be available regardless
heâs not on right now, which is the same time weâre planning
but those times are fine
well
he can probably stay up
he kind of does that all the time anyways
sorry to interrupt i just want to ask this real quick- should i replace the static image of the thermal lily's heat with this gif? the only other gif is showing how they follow the player, and doesn't have a heat effect
i think thats a great idea
alrighty!
your award winning niceness act is doing wonders
i do not have a mic
yes that's the image i was referring to
when do we uh notify terran
does terran still use discord even
terran is for nerds
i've seen him on another server
heâs banned on here and iâve never spoken to him on discord afair
no one knows why he was banned here
@still vortex thanks for changing it, that picture is fine
yeh
ye it's very cute i was like
"there's no way this could upset anyone"
"IT'S PERFECT"
anyone gonna update the sea truck interior images?
i made those when the sea truck had a yellow interior
well, more beige maybe
I guess you and Vee could just listen in
I mean I'll talk if I have something constructive to add
heâll probably move us into the dev vc
I do like the thought of speaking with the president of a multi-million dollar company.
Anyway, I could make it on Sunday at either time, or at the end of the 3-5 time on Saturday.
I do like the thought of speaking with the president of a multi-million dollar company.
Could somebody please tell me how inaccurate that sentence is?
What are we discussing?
Whether or not it is worthwhile to move? The logistics involved with it?
lol
Alright, I take that as a "yes."
oh uh yes
sls do you think you'll talk during this conversation with ted
or are you micless as well
No microphone from me.
- How many of you guys will be using a microphone?
- Should we keep the Wiki Keeper role ping-able (aside from within this channel)?
- How come none of you guys bought me a burger already?
How do you become a wiki keeper?
be a good editor
<@&192900629797142528>
Monday would work.
both work for me but it'd have to be 3:30 pm at the earliest, since school
where the hecc is everyone else
yeah those would both work for me
Vivi can i show you a foto and figure out if its min or not
Iâm alright with it
As in a good writer?
So what does the actual process of changing to a UWE-hosted wiki entail?
How much work do we have to put in for that?
Are we creating a new wiki ground up with all the CSS and whatnot or are we just transferring existing content to something else?
They'll probably reuse the structure from the NS2 wiki
I won't be available, but someone can just give me the run down on it when it's done
How much of what we have on our wiki already is transferable
like 90% of it at least
Templates and stuff can just be transferred?
They both use MediaWiki so it's very easy to transfer, there are just a few kinks to figure out
yeah
Okay so it will just mostly be copying and pasting if it does happen
uhh infoboxes might cause a problem though
We'll need to figure out how to get the HTML for infoboxes or rewrite them entirely
unless the new site takes portable infoboxes
The NS2 wiki doesnât seem to have them
Just uses tables to mimic them
If this does go ahead we can merge the two wikis into one also
yeah
which is another issue on how to deal with that
The way most wikis I've seen deal with it is by just splitting everything into one page for each game
So Flare (SN) and Flare (BZ) pages and a disambiguation
Of course most of the content on our wikis repeat, so we might be able to find a way to circumvent that and have one page which information on both games
The only problem I see with that is infoboxes, which have information about biomes
which are obviously different in each game
we could just use tabbers for it if anything
Having two pages for each thing that is in both game
tabbers would work but theyd need to be extremely obvious
Iâd prefer to have two separate pages Copper (Subnautica) and Copper (Below Zero)
why are these black and white?
because that's how they were drawn
We can make tabbers obvious but I donât like using them so often
what kind of question is this
oh.
split pages would probably work best
nice
I would like to find an alternative to having multiple pages for every single thing but if thats the way you guys want to go then so be it
I think anything else just gets more confusing
They should've been merged in the first place imo
Nah I prefer the split
Why? It's real confusing for new players
How so?
If you're looking for something for Below Zero you go to the Below Zero wiki.
has there been a single person that has expressed confusion yet
yes
If you're looking for stuff on the first SN, you go to that wiki.
most wikis combine both so thats what people generally look for
Doesn't have to be like that
no but it's a lot nicer to have all the information on one wiki
It's more confusing I feel
if we mark every page as BZ or SN and have disambiguation links everywhere then it'd be pretty intuitive to navigate
Hmm
now i'm ready
it's the thought that counts, tueman
why arenât you Tuegentleman
Thatâs not formal
then make the g uppercase
ok so random info that might or might not be helpful
that's just trivia
every peeper that is NOT in the safe shallows has a 0.05% chance to be an enzyme peeper
Hey @fluid lagoon I wouldn't mind listening on the chat about the wiki if that's alright
Are you available at those times?
Pretty late UK time but I'll be around đ
this one part of the pda wiki doesnt look right
obviously we know exactly what you're talking about because you so helpfully linked it
would this be a good picture or do we have enough for now?
thatd be good
collapsed
oh wait i think it isnt on the highest settings
but there wouldnt be much of a difference there anyway
retake it
uh i'll try to find it
i might've went a few thousand meters north
different place, is this fine?
sure
both if you want
@frail dragon what editor are you using?
wiki editor
so you moved the text onto the infobox on purpose?
all I did was rename some ___.png thing
goddamn it fandom
I don't think I have enough time to update the storage module
The '''Sea Truck Aquarium Module''' is a [[Sea Truck]] module that collects any edible [[Fauna]] that come too close to the module. Captured creatures are planned to transferred to small glass pods, being visible within.<ref>https://favro.com/organization/35200a08dbbad85b26102638/0d9378db42299691bb14c708?card=Unk-3755</ref>
Became
The '''Sea Truck Aquarium Module''' is a [[Sea Truck]] module that collects any edible [[Fauna]] that come too close to the module. Captured creatures are planned to transferred to small glass pods, being visible within.<ref>https://favro.com/organization/35200a08dbbad85b26102638/0d9378db42299691bb14c708?card=Unk-3755</ref>.
Here is your hint: they are identical, and the only difference in the edit is whether they are on the same line of code as the closing curly brackets for the infobox.
Unless that was what you meant by "so you moved the text onto the infobox on purpose."
Oh look, I did it, too. https://subnautica-belowzero.fandom.com/wiki/Sea_Truck_Aquarium_Module?curid=1581&diff=23166&oldid=23155
Except you know I am lying and it is more than that.
Actually, I am not sure: "Captured creatures . . . transferred to small glass pods"?
Or is that still being planned to happen?
How literal are you being?
fairly literal
RimWorld?
Should I just look at https://www.google.com/search?q=rimworld or ask you what it is?
my house burned down
In the game, which I know nothing about except that apparently houses can burn down in it.
Thanks, you ruined my interest in a game I never even heard the name of until now because all I know about it is that houses can burn down.
Is this what this is about?
https://discordapp.com/channels/85342800492634112/188459887200698368/553324232881340436
some troll on my community central wall
The guy is going to tell his friends one thing about the game, then because they only know one thing, they will hate it.
Thanks, you just did that to me.
I know nothing about the game except that deleted Discord invite that just appeared.
Why is the large bird still under possible creatures in wiki
because i dont know what it eats
whats that
why are you posting it
Not meant for here but I just wanted to ask you and iâll delete after - how much is rimworld on steam? @agile spindle
couldn't you have just tagged him in general chat
To reinforce for the umpteenth time that FANDOM is crazy in some regards.
Or I couldâve not made him switch chats and deleted after I asked đ
alternatively you could literally just check the price on steam yourself
Yes, you could have sacrificed lawfulness for convenience.
Why do you think I asked? Because I cant atm
why cant you
Unable to access comp. was unsure if googling would display cost so I figured iâd just ask. Whatever mb. đ€·
you already put a period in general chat sls
I would put "costsâ #off-topic " if I wanted to continue.
I thought you studied my life and knew this.
surprisingly enough i have not studied your life
Oh. Then which Wiki Keeper has?
i dont know that any of us have
I have.
fair enough
Is it truly fair to study one's own life?
I only ever wrote one direct autobiography, and that was in elementary school.
All of my thoughts, feelings, words, and actions are biographies of my life, but . . .
But you think I make top tier memes.
Goodnightday to you.
Well this interaction sucked
lmao
Jesus Murphy... thatâs all within under a minute
Give the guy a second to type, huh
That was my feeling too
tue does that
Is it so hard to not be Passive-Agressive about it? wait for him to finish and then if they still havenât posted the link, say âcan you send the link to the pageâ
Why is the âLarge birdâ still in the âpossible creaturesâ when itâs planned to be added for EA#6 and does not have the âcut candidateâ on it?
because i dont know what it eats
Well guess I canât argue with that
Foxtonnes is too argumentative TueGentleman gave this person enough time to type.
i really didnt
The person shouldâve said everything in 1 post.
Less than a minute?
he shouldve said it in one post sure but people arent perfect and i shouldnt have been sarcastic like that
Okay then buddy.
i fear monday
you fool, how could you have already forgotten
Someone just fill me in on the stuff that has to be said
The what
merging the wiki to their site
i don't fear speaking with Ted but i fear speaking with Ted in a place where randos can swoop in and be like "omg is that a dev let me intrude and ask dumb questions"
Heâll move us into the dev chat I imagine
He'll move us into a private chat obviously
My concern is for how many people we will actually have speaking
You have me, who knows nothing about the subject, you, who said you probably wouldnât speak much. Who else?
i have no voice
yes which is why it would probably be more of a text convo
i mean people can type into chat and he can read it
For me, the worst part is that I will lose that mystery of not knowing what your voices sound like.
Unless you guys use a voice filter.
But, if that is my only problem with the whole thing, then I should be fine.
We will all use a Batman voice filter
But how will we know who is speaking?
And if you speak at the same time because that is what Batman does (?)?
just gotta learn our voices i guess
Weâre a bat hive mind
Sounds functional.
it is
is this picture ok? idk if the fog is making it hard to see the bridges
for what page
shallow twisty bridges
middle?
twisty bridges
there's a biome called middle twisty bridge?
...
i thought there was only safe and deep
lol
wow
the one between is just called Twisty Bridges
in preparation for monday
I think I found a Boneshark in the mountains but Iâm not sure if it wandered.
It was right next to the island.
...
is it worth noting on either the tree spires or crystal cave page that the entrance to the crystal caves entrance is in a large tunnel in the tree spires
@cinder kestrel i require your html knowledge as google is failing me
thats right above the trench area of twisty bridges
like if you go below that you enter the trench.
This page contains all numerical item and spawn ids in Subnautica: Below Zero as well as their simple id. Consult Console Commands to enable the debug console. Note in the following examples that...
I want to have a TOC for this page without the headers showing up at all
So you want a table of contents, but no headers in the article?
yes
not no headers, but the table of contents goes to parts of the list without actually breaking up the list itself with headers and such
Alright, I'll think about it and do homework for nowget back to you later.
I want to help but I don't know anything about html yet
Did you check if there wasn't already something like that on the wiki (or SN wiki), and if you couldn't just copy if from there ?
we dont
Well of course, you would already know :/
By curiosity, can you show me a page with a TOC with headers ?
Food& Water are categories of consumable items crafted from materials and caught creatures using the Fabricator. They are only available in Survival and Hardcore mode. Consuming Food& Water is...
Why doesn't https://subnautica-belowzero.fandom.com/wiki/Chelicerate#In Game have a size comparison?
Thanks
also why is the seaglide not in vehicles or tools?
its a deployable
I think it's considered a vehicle in SN wiki
then the sn wiki is wrong
I maybe did an heresy, since I don't know anything about html
but what is wrong when doing this ?
are you trying to edit the page using inspect source?
I don't know, honestly
I tought this was html, I'm not trying to edit but I thought that maybe it was the same html you were talking about
Sorry x)
(but no, I know that I can't edit it from here)
it's....kind of the same html but all the editing we do is in the editor
generally it would say edit but for you it might say view source
Well, the question remains : why is it impossible to copy the code from a table object and translate it on your list object ?
what
I should probably shut my nonsens and my mouth sorry not happening again here đ¶
aight
use the controller menu if you know what that is
Well, the question remains : why is it impossible to copy the code from a table object and translate it on your list object ?
Here, read all of https://mediawiki.org .
Or just know the basic answer that the program takes the text we provide and translates it into HTML itself.
What are the requirements for proper size comparison images and how would we be able to take them? @agile spindle
You need to have everything in the picture except the player and creature gone
whether that be through photoshop or in game settings
and the background must be completely black (so, void picture)
1920x1080 and highest graphics settings
any way to get the creature to stand completely still for easier picture taking?