#📚wiki-discussion

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late island
frail dragon
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so that's why the drop pod has that weird texture over the window

summer kindle
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Perfection

agile spindle
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that's a... creative way to make reflections i guess

frail dragon
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the intensity needs to be turned down with reflections

late island
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That's not uncommon for reflections

frail dragon
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at least they kinda distort and aren't just static

late island
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you can see it in other things too tueman.

frail dragon
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the sea truck material is strange

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the cabin only

late island
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The Cabin looks fine

frail dragon
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it is shinier than the others

late island
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not anymore

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they fixed that bug a bit ago

frail dragon
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not for me

late island
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weird

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I hadn't noticed it since then

frail dragon
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only happens at night

hybrid bear
late island
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Could it be the issue where the other modules are unpowered for no reason?

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Because that's how it's organized allo

agile spindle
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because they are sorted the way the pda is sorted

hybrid bear
late island
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what

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and we never got an explanation

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thus continues the mystery of the SN discord users

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why do they do like they do

hybrid bear
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Check in for Season 2.

late island
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what

summer kindle
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that’s how the PDA is sorted, it’s more accurate anyway.
The less you have to slot into herbivore/carnivore the better

hybrid bear
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Okay,

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I facepalmed because I done messed up.

agile spindle
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so ah

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wiki

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on UWE?

hybrid bear
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What

agile spindle
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I feel it is a change that should happen sooner rather than later

hybrid bear
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Put the wiki onto UWE?

fierce imp
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a UWE hosted site

late island
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Well we gotta get the devs for that

agile spindle
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Yeah

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Do we talk to Hugh or David? or who?

hybrid bear
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I search up UWE.

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university of the west england bristol

wet sand
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hugh is the website guy right?

late island
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I feel like Hugh probably

wet sand
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among other things

fierce imp
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hugh is active on twitter

hybrid bear
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I feel stupid so explain UWE.

wet sand
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unknown worlds entertainment

agile spindle
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they make subnautica

wet sand
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might've heard of it

agile spindle
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I was thinking email rather than twitter, unless you guys think tweeting him is fine

hybrid bear
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I a m s t u p I d

summer kindle
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Can someone link that NS2 wiki they host

agile spindle
hybrid bear
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I understood the UW but I usually only know it by Unknown Worlds. I don’t usually remember it as Unknown Worlds Entertainment

frail dragon
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do we have anything on the wiki about being able to place solar panels on top of the sea truck

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or is that a bug

summer kindle
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Oh it is this one

wet sand
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probably bug

agile spindle
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i think thats a bug

late island
hybrid bear
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That’s some very nice teeth buddy.

hallow basalt
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colgate

hybrid bear
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I wonder when we’ll get the Shadow Leviathan rig.

storm owl
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9/10 fish aprove

hybrid bear
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No

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Why only 9?

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Why not 10?

frail dragon
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oh uh what are you using to pose it

storm owl
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cause, the fish say so

hybrid bear
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Who’s the non believer?

agile spindle
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are we tweeting hugh then?

fierce imp
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actually probably better to email

hybrid bear
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Emails are more formal imo.

late island
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Well who's going to send the email

agile spindle
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I sent one to david for the sound files but I think dino or bippity is probably better at it

hybrid bear
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Let’s elect someone.

frail dragon
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what is this email about

hybrid bear
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I vote Bippity.

summer kindle
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why

hybrid bear
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Because

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V

agile spindle
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Well they know you, and you're pretty known to be a concise guy

summer kindle
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Is that so

late island
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Bippity and Vee are the two closest to the devs.

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And they've done this kind of thing before.

agile spindle
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i dont think it should be vee

hybrid bear
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I don’t think Vee wants to.

late island
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Why wouldn't you want it to be Vee?

agile spindle
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she's notoriously bad at explaining things

hallow basalt
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lol

late island
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Maybe through your eyes and experiences.

wet sand
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well it depends on what she's explaining

agile spindle
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Anyway she hasn't been participating in this conversation, whereas bippity has

summer kindle
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Barely

late island
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Doesn't mean she can't be a candidate

hybrid bear
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Vee will now say something

agile spindle
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bippity was also part of the original discussion with foxy

hybrid bear
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Vee’s to busy playing YouTube anyways.

agile spindle
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anyway it's not a huge deal who sends it, I think most of us are adept enough at writing emails

late island
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I don't know if that affects too much either

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but sure

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yeah.

agile spindle
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So @summer kindle are you cool with doing it?

summer kindle
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no

agile spindle
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oh ok

hybrid bear
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Can Dino do it?

summer kindle
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I’m awful at writing emails so it would probably be a step backwards

late island
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I guess if I had to

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but once again

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what about Vee?

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She's written the devs before.

summer kindle
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And I also don’t really care for what I’m writing about here

agile spindle
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ask her if she wants to

wet sand
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you can just ping and ask her

fluid lagoon
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go away i'm eating potatoes

summer kindle
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Whole

wet sand
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ok dino

summer kindle
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Raw

agile spindle
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understandable

late island
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no

wet sand
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ok tueman

agile spindle
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do you guys really want me writing it

late island
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maybe not Tueman

hallow basalt
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i say we send tueman

wet sand
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no one else wants to

agile spindle
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you dont even trust me to change the name colors

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dino there arent really any other candidates than you

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maybe xeno?

fluid lagoon
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just finished my 8th potato

summer kindle
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Can we just

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continue using wikia as this is more trouble than it is worth

hybrid bear
summer kindle
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And nobody even cares enough to write the email

agile spindle
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i do care enough but ive been voted out

hybrid bear
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“Dear Hugh

Can we please import the wiki from Fandom.com to UWE?
Thanks,
(Sender)”

summer kindle
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Expert

late island
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I'd like to leave wikia forever because it's trash

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but I don't know if I'd be the best at writing an email to the devs.

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If it really came down to it I could try.

hybrid bear
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Just copy what I said.

fluid lagoon
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uuuuugggggggggghhhhhhhhh what do you people need written

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i can write it after i've finished my 9th potato

agile spindle
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asking hugh to host the wiki on UWE

late island
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yell at hugh to move the wiki to a unknownworlds hosted site

hallow basalt
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that's a lot of potatoes

hybrid bear
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We want our wiki better.

fluid lagoon
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believe me there are way more than 9 to be eaten but i am going to die if i eat any more

agile spindle
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seems healthy

wet sand
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hey

late island
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wow what r u a pansy

wet sand
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it's a vegetable

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automatically healthy

late island
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consume vegetal

agile spindle
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youre a vegetable

hybrid bear
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Vegetables are not real.

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Like Wyoming.

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All plants are fruits.

wet sand
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that's the 3rd time i've been called a vegetable

fluid lagoon
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for what reasons do we need to leave fandom

late island
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bad

agile spindle
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its garbage

wet sand
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fanDUMB

hybrid bear
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It’s bad looking.

fluid lagoon
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i need better reasons than this you clowns

agile spindle
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The staff is incompetent

late island
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those videos

fierce imp
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videos

wet sand
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fandom videos

hallow basalt
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i like fandom.. except for the videos

agile spindle
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They are featureless and built their site around the viewers rather than the long-term editors

late island
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and they won't let me do any bigger edits to the css

hallow basalt
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oh boy i'm gonna get kicked

summer kindle
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ok

fluid lagoon
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ok and what benefits do we get from being hosted on UWE

agile spindle
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More freedom

wet sand
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also the wiki is at the mercy of fandom if they decide to do anything profoundly stupid

late island
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Hugh's blessings

fluid lagoon
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so when i say that we want to be hosted on UWE do i just say like

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the UWE domain or something

late island
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Like the NS2 wiki I assume

agile spindle
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on a UWE-hosted site

fluid lagoon
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i know nothing of the NS2 wiki

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what is hrugh's gmail

fierce imp
wet sand
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it makes me happy that andrew's picture on their website is still the same

summer kindle
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Of proto-Andrew?

wet sand
summer kindle
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Before he shed his hair

fierce imp
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majestic

wet sand
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punk rock andrew

fluid lagoon
summer kindle
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Looks good to me

fluid lagoon
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@agile spindle @late island

sage zinc
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Those videos though

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There’s no reason for them to be there

agile spindle
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actually very good email nice job

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why are you addressing it to lukas though?

fluid lagoon
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obraxis said to

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hugh doesn't do this stuff

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sent

agile spindle
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👍 thanks vee

heady gulch
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sweet

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I can ask Foxy more about the process

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ouch the issue is he hasnt been active on this server since 3/31/18,

agile spindle
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im worried lukas doesnt know about the NS2 wiki

heady gulch
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I can ask him in the forum's groupchat. does anyone know how to invite users in??

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is that a feature in the forums?

maiden cloud
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I'm still poking around

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I can get back in touch with Hugh about kick starting this if there's a consensus you want to move away from Fandom

agile spindle
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@maiden cloud We've emailed Lukas about it (Obraxis said that was the guy to talk to)

fluid lagoon
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i was also told to CC david but i accidentally just put david in the list of people to send it to and i am in immense pain

agile spindle
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why do i have you blocked

maiden cloud
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Lukas is the web god for sure, but Hugh did all the set up of the current NS2 wiki. I guess he does do it, but it's not his first preference.

wooden blaze
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Any idea if base air pump will be available with the upcoming patch?

proven portal
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?

wooden blaze
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The thingy that sucks water out of the base, like in the first subnautica that you build it from the habitat builder

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Last time that I was on, I couldn't find it

proven portal
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it sucks water out of the base?

fluid lagoon
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why is this in the wiki chat

wooden blaze
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Cuz there's no really support chat except of tech support, but I don't think it's really for there

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It's a question about the BZ game

minor axle
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I'm just gonna buy subnautica on pc, will save me 80 quid on an ssd

fluid lagoon
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then go to the BZ chat?

wooden blaze
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I tried, they don't really know since they are players as well

minor axle
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like a gforce gtx 970 is a potato gpu

wooden blaze
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And not from the team

fluid lagoon
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and

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this room isn't used by the team either

minor axle
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will i get better fps if i play subnautica with a ssd

wooden blaze
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I thought that maybe the ppl who updating wiki, knows whats coming in each patch

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So I tried

fluid lagoon
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this isn't a place for asking questions

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this is for maintaining the wiki

minor axle
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ok

agile spindle
fluid lagoon
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yes

agile spindle
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this time he can’t post on his own wall either

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so i’m gonna get my community wall spammed but eh

heady gulch
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How many times has he been told to stop?

agile spindle
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it’s not his first block

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i blocked him like a week ago for trying to incite a protest against the wiki

heady gulch
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I see

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Since he seems like one who can’t connect the dots ill explain it to him

agile spindle
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write on the community central post on my wall

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since he can’t respond on the wiki anymore

heady gulch
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Mm

heady gulch
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I was busy with a test, should I add to the conversation to clarify anything for him?

agile spindle
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i think he refuses to understand at this point

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nothing you can say will help him get it

sage zinc
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"i'm gonna tell my friends subnautica is a bad game, and they'll totally tell their friends that subnautica is a bad game, and soon everyone in the universe will know subnautica is a bad game!"

hybrid bear
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No wonder they call themselves the “cowardly gamer”

fluid lagoon
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we in boys

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or at least we've been acknowledged

paper flare
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what have you done

fluid lagoon
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the wiki keeper's bidding

paper flare
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this is the end of the wiki

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so you guys actually took it seriously this time

fierce imp
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more like the wiki was saved

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from bad videos

paper flare
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true

cinder kestrel
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so i’m gonna get my community wall spammed but eh
There is such a thing as telling a moderator on Community Central and getting the user blocked there.

heady gulch
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I’m lost what’s going on?

cinder kestrel
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And tueman said that more spam could happen on Community Central.

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If it does happen, then the spammer will get blocked on Community Central (if tueman reports it).

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And then we can all eat cured holefish.

agile spindle
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he’s not spamming

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i thought he might but he was less aggressive with his posting than on the wiki

cinder kestrel
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@ tueman#7241 It is absolutely critical that you be told manually that you have a message on Community Central and it is not good enough that you received a notification from the system.

agile spindle
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yes i saw every one of his posts

paper flare
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unfortunately

hybrid bear
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Feelsbadman

cinder kestrel
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yes i saw every one of his posts
Aright, just making sure before I--I have no idea what I will do next.

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I breathed.

paper flare
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aright

hybrid bear
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Rules of Conduct #19 “No bad mouthing Subnautica.”

cinder kestrel
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2. Be respectful towards each other, from the most active admin to the newest newbie.

agile spindle
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@cinder kestrel Admins and mods get the final say, respect their decisions.

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this covers whatever we dont put in the guidelines

cinder kestrel
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One might think the user violated the rules.

fierce imp
agile spindle
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Should I tell him we'll get back to him about it?

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Oh I misread it

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Is there anything I should tell him other than the videos and the fact that editing is garbage?

fierce imp
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we aren’t allowed to do big changes to the CSS

fluid lagoon
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u think somebody named eva is gonna be a dude

agile spindle
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who is named eva

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they're named mira

fluid lagoon
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click on their profile

agile spindle
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you're right though

fluid lagoon
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anyway since lukas responded to me today it is now time to take bets on how long it will be until he gets back to me again

lime schooner
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mother seatruckers

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lol sry vee

fluid lagoon
heady gulch
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I say 2 days

fluid lagoon
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<@&192900629797142528> EVERYONE GET IN HERE I HAVE A CONNECTION WITH THE PRESIDENT OF UWE WHAT DO WE DO

late island
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WHAT

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WH

fierce imp
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Hu H

hallow basalt
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say hello

agile spindle
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he said he wants to solve our problem with wikia though

cinder kestrel
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~~#sn-discord-rules ~~Get refunds on buying the game because we are Wiki Keepers and deserve free stuff?

late island
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WHADDAPEN

agile spindle
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which i just want to move away from it though

late island
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WHATD HE SAY

fluid lagoon
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"Hi again, Vee!
I want to introduce Ted, our President. He has a lot of experience with
Wikia, and might be able to figure out a solution to your problem.

Let me know if I can help with anything."

agile spindle
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Are you supposed to respond?

late island
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Our problem is wikia bad

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our problem is that we need to move the wiki to somewhere else

cinder kestrel
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Or else get the long list of issues resolved.

agile spindle
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that wont happen

late island
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before it gets popular enough for them to shove more of those godawful videos on it

fierce imp
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its unlikely fandom will give us what we want

late island
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There are various issues I've had, but the two main ones are those absolute garbage videos they refuse to let us remove or remake and restrictive css editing.

agile spindle
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yeah those two are the headline issues

late island
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I'd rather just move out than try and come to some weird compromise with FANDOM

agile spindle
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I do have other things to complain about though

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such as visual editor

late island
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imagine using visual editor ever

fluid lagoon
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why did i ever stop eating potatoes for you people
i'm not capable of speaking with the PRESIDENT OF UWE

heady gulch
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Fandom just puts their little petprojects that they call videos all over the wiki, and remember with that user tueman, the one who we are still having problems with? was there a report feature? Didnt you have to search around to look for something like that

agile spindle
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It was under contact

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which makes sense, but seems like a slow response kind of solution

heady gulch
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I feel like with fandom staff they are honestly neglectful to a lot of things and brush aside the complaints about videos

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ive been to other wikis that had videos and seen enormous polls with huge majorities saying they would rather have the fandom videos removed.

cinder kestrel
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Can we get the President into this chat, or do we want to be more formal?

agile spindle
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I doubt he will want to come in, let's stick to email

cinder kestrel
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(Wait, which one is the President?)

fierce imp
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ted gill

fluid lagoon
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ted has actually been on the discord before

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he deleted a message asking him to be some dude's sugar daddy

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because this is discord

heady gulch
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Its better to just email him then to subject him through a wall of text worth of complaints on discord

fluid lagoon
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i could give the complaints and then at the end suggest that communicating over discord works

heady gulch
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Sounds like a good idea to me

agile spindle
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yep that works

fluid lagoon
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ok so our two big problems are
the videos
and
the restrictive CSS editing

agile spindle
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make sure to point out that those arent the only issues

fluid lagoon
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yes but also somebody detail those problems out more

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i want s p e c i f i c s

agile spindle
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fandom is built for the viewers/newer editors rather than long-term editors

fluid lagoon
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elaborate

agile spindle
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like the fact that visual editor is the default, and wiki activity is the default rather than recentchanges

heady gulch
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Vee didnt you do something on the wiki once and then a staff came and undid it? I dont remember the details on it

cinder kestrel
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We wanted to talk to you about the issues we are encountering on FANDOM. First, one of their features is Featured Videos ( https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/Help:Featured_Videos ), which for us, is not working well. The footage they use is usually footage of YouTubers messing with the features (e.g., a Sea Dragon Leviathan spawned in the Grassy Plateaus) and information is generally inaccurate. Second, we are limited in our CSS options. For example, we would like to force all links to Spoiler articles to be black unless hovered over, but this is not allowed. Also, [insert more complaints].

Resolving the first problem would require a lot of effort as we would have to cast our own video to replace the current ones. The second problem has no apparent solution. In general, we feel there is more focus on newer editors and community engagement than there on older editors and fabricating a wiki. Unless you can pull some strings for us, we would like to have this wiki hosted by you guys. What are your thoughts?

Thanks,
The Wiki Keepers```
agile spindle
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Xeno that was dino

heady gulch
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details are fuzzy for me, my mistake

summer kindle
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Dinofuzzy

cinder kestrel
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We would like to force all links to Spoiler articles to be black unless hovered over, but this is not allowed.

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Plus other stuff, I think.

agile spindle
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he was tryna change stuff in wiki activity i believe

fierce imp
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yeah he hid the titles of articles in wiki activity so people wouldn’t get spoiled
then fandom staff came out of the shadows and reverted it

fluid lagoon
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god help me

heady gulch
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lemon

fluid lagoon
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i have been reminded that ted is also the co-founder of fandom and i am dying inside

agile spindle
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oh did you forget about that lol

fluid lagoon
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i remembered him being SOMETHING

agile spindle
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i think it's fine to criticize fandom

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i mean whats he gonna do, get pissed at us for wanting the best experience

dense wasp
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why doesn't the 360 degree swivel chair not spin 360 degrees it even says in the description that it spins 360 degrees i want an answer to this lol ples

fierce imp
fluid lagoon
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get in here clowns <@&192900629797142528>

agile spindle
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we don’t want to replace the videos, just get rid of them entirely

fluid lagoon
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well SLS said you did

agile spindle
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no that was just another option we were looking into

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if we move out of fandom we won’t need to

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other than that tidbit the email looks great

cinder kestrel
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"here are our main issues in closer detail. One of our main issues"

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You probably do not want to repeat the same two words so close to each other.

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Maybe "One of our main is" should be "One is that."

fluid lagoon
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done

summer kindle
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Getting rid of the videos is obviously out of the question

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Having them possibly be more customisable is more realistic but you know, it’s still Fandom.

fluid lagoon
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we need to rename the Exchanger Rocket page to Cargo Transfer Launchpad

late island
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I just want those vids gone

maiden cloud
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That seems like an excessively detailed email!

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Also, you're gonna have trouble from fandom when you try and move as they will keep all the content, and the traffic

agile spindle
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traffic is a necessary sacrifice

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how do we deal with moving content?

cursive vigil
fluid lagoon
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angery

cursive vigil
agile spindle
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no i mean are we allowed to

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i’m about to extend his block to a year i think

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i’ve had enough of this guy

heady gulch
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Tueman aren’t you the lead admin?

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I forgot

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Nvm

agile spindle
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no

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there’s no lead admin

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<@&192900629797142528> fandom staff has offered to remove the videos and offer several more solutions to our complaints because we threatened to leave fandom

fluid lagoon
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god what am i going to tell ted now

agile spindle
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i still think we should push to leave because making changes like this clearly requires too much effort to stay

heady gulch
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Mm I say we wait to see if they deliver on their word first,

clever lion
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Apologies for just barging in. I feel like I might save you some work if I drop in to answer your questions directly.

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I'm the same Mira Laime who wrote the wall post (feel free to verify if you want)

heady gulch
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Hm?

agile spindle
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okay, i read your post about the videos and visual editor; does that including all videos on our wiki?

clever lion
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Yes. I believe there are 41 of them.

agile spindle
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and we also have complaints about css editing: in the past we tried to make changes to special: wiki activity but they were undone by staff without warning or discussion

clever lion
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I see - that is Fandom's general policy simply because there are so many wikis and so many customizations that we generally don't have the capacity to contact the community's admins first and talk about exactly why they made those changes, whether the same could be achieved in other ways, or even explain why it violates our customization policy. I could put you in touch with someone from our ComTech team to talk about this

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They're usually the ones reverting these edits. If your community needs to hide spoiler links, they can help you find the best way to do that. And if it's what you've already been doing, putting it back is possible

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They just want to make sure custom CSS doesn't break anything on the site for anyone, and ideally works for mobile users, too

agile spindle
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the thing is that if we move away from fandom these changes would be far easier to make, since we wouldn’t have to deal with contacting fandom staff; a website hosting by UWE allows us more freedom

clever lion
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That's quite possible. If that helps, though: Removing the Featured Videos would be done by Fandom - no work by you is required. Disabling the VE as the wiki's default editor is also something Fandom can do. It's quite quick - I can do it in about five minutes, and if it's been such a big problem for the community, I see no reason not to

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Plus, since I'm here on your Discord now, you can ping me directly if you need something urgently from Fandom staff. When you use Special:Contact, you should always receive a response (let me know if you haven't - we'll want to look into this). But if it's urgent or very important, that's a shortcut you can take

agile spindle
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If, in the future, we come up with a feature that clashes with fandom policy that’d lock us out of implementing it

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whereas our own site might allow us to do so

maiden cloud
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It's great to see someone from Fandom reaching out, I will say that

clever lion
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That's correct. If you host your own site, you have complete freedom

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There are downsides to that, though, for example: Fandom has an entire team dedicated to SEO, so it'll be hard to match that if you have to do everything yourself

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If you have technical issues, our Tech Support team is there to help.

maiden cloud
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My personal issue with Fandom Et al. is that they are essentially profiting from a non-profit. They use free software to drive huge ad traffic.

clever lion
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It's a trade-off for sure. Fandom wants to pay its employees, and our only way to do that is to put ads on the pages our users create. If done right (and I'm not saying Fandom has never made any mistakes in this regard) this is a win-win though. You don't have the hassle of having to run your own site, and Fandom is paid in revenue for providing the hosting, the support, and the SEO

maiden cloud
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Yes of course

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The business model is solid

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I just find it distasteful

clever lion
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You'll have to weigh whether the freedom to implement any and all customization is worth the hassle of moving, running your own site, losing traffic, and not having any support

maiden cloud
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UWE already hosts a wiki for a previous title that is still being developed, it's not much of a stretch to multi-wiki that to accommodate Subnautica

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I'm an outside voice though

agile spindle
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yeah the framework is there already

maiden cloud
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It's ultimately up to these guys to do what they feel is best

clever lion
#

Are you aware that Fandom recently merged with Curse (Gamepedia)?

maiden cloud
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I read that

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I also read that Curse were pretty bad for serving totally inappropriate ads

clever lion
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I hadn't heard that - although admittedly, if you serve any third party ads, there is going to be the odd bad one that slips through. That is really hard to avoid

maiden cloud
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For sure

agile spindle
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I did see that but I’m not aware of any changes that are planned as a result of the merge

clever lion
#

By and large, Curse is known for really good user support and for allowing its wikis a lot of freedom (whereas Fandom is restrictive). The people who were in charge of that at Curse are now in Charge of the community team at Fandom, so you can expect to see some changes in overall strategy

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On the flip side, Fandom is much better at mobile optimization. Fandom's pages look better on mobile and we've been much more successful with our apps (actually a consequence of being so restrictive and allowing less customization - it's much easier to make pages look pretty on mobile if there isn't so much custom css). Long-term, hopefully our users will get the best of both. This is all still pretty new and bigger changes will take a while to manifest, though.

agile spindle
#

Adding the videos in the first place strikes me as an inconsiderate move; how do we know Fandom won’t make changes like this in the future without consulting us?

late island
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yeah

clever lion
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Do you know the background story of why those videos were put out despite the community's protest?

agile spindle
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no, what is it?

clever lion
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About two years ago, Fandom wanted to improve the ad quality on our site and just overall have nicer-looking but fewer ads. That means we can sell our ads for more money to advertisers, and annoy our users less - win/win. As part of that project, we figured out that the most valuable, most looked-at ads are the ones put before videos. But Fandom isn't exactly known as a video host. Most of the content users consume on our platform is text and images. So Fandom's leadership back then decided that we would produce our own videos, so we could put video ads in front of them, and due to the money those would make us, remove other ads from other parts of the site, like in the right rail and underneath the article text.

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Originally, the plan was to leverage the communities' expertise to do that

late island
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I'd rather have the side ads than the videos

clever lion
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But that turned out to be REALLY hard to coordinate, so we ended up building a video team at Fandom that made those videos pretty much without community input. And we put those videos on the pages that are visited the most.

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It needs to be said that those video ads made Fandom a TON of money. Mistakes were made, though.

agile spindle
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That doesn’t explain why it was done without the communities’ support

late island
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not sure that history changes much

clever lion
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The video team was put together really fast, and they were under a lot of pressure to churn out tons of videos, which why some of them contain errors and aren't that well made, and not updated once they're uploaded to a page

late island
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they're still incredibly low quality things churned out and forced upon us.

clever lion
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In general, Fandom's leadership at the time wanted to very much please advertisers, make our platform look really sleek and uniform, because that's how we'd make more money. The idea was that with more money, we can invest more into what wiki editors need down the road, too. They thought that everyone would ultimately benefit if we just make our site super modern, very mobile-friendly and have much fewer ads, although those ads would have to be a lot more obtrusive to make up for that

late island
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I still think the best solution would be to move to a dev hosted site, but if the devs themselves aren't willing to do that for whatever reason some kind of compromise is the next best thing.

agile spindle
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We just have no guarantee that this won’t happen again in the future

late island
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They have already done that for NS2 though so I don't think they'd have a problem.

agile spindle
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i agree with dino’s statement

clever lion
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Since then, Fandom's leadership has completely changed (literally, there are different people in charge now) and we now want to focus much more on what editors need and what is best for communities, because the new team agrees that the fanciest ads are useless if the users aren't happy on Fandom

agile spindle
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Am I mistaken or was Ted Gill in charge at the time?

clever lion
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So: There is no way to guarantee you that down the road, Fandom will never make a decision you don't like. That's just not possible. Ultimately we are a for-profit company, and if we did exactly and exclusively what editors want us to, we'd soon have a very diverse, complex site that confuses newbies and turns off advertisers. BUT what I can do is address the issues you have right now, potentially saving you a lot of work and hassle and making sure your content stays as nicely visible on Google as it is now, so fans of the game continue to find you. I'm pretty positive that you'll find Fandom's strategy really has changed and you'll be much happier about the next steps we're taking

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Yes, Ted used to be at Fandom

late island
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I don't think not instantly being at the top of google searches or a move requiring some work outweigh our problems.

clever lion
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Are you guys in contact with him? I know he's now at UWE

late island
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For now though I just want to see what the devs say about moving.

agile spindle
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yes we’re discussing with him about moving the wiki

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I think we’re going to continue to talk to UWE about moving, but if they refuse then we’ll compromise with fandom

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unless the majority of us decide to stay, that is

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I am just a little annoyed that making changes like this required saying we wanted to leave the site

clever lion
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It shouldn't have - ideally we would have listened to the concerns one of our major communities was having regardless. As I said, though, a while ago Fandom's leadership was much more focused on what would make advertisers happy, and even if members of the community team pointed out that some users are seriously unhappy and for good reason, we couldn't do anything to help them. Even now, although we know hardly any community really loves their Featured Videos, we can't simply remove them all immediately - we'd lose a huge chunk of money. First we have to find a way to make that money in other ways.

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We've just started changing how we do things, made a ton of changes internally (users on the outside should see effects of that before long) and I am here talking to you now because we want to do things differently - and of course because we neither want to lose your community, nor piss of active and passionate users for no good reason.

agile spindle
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I do appreciate you coming here to discuss it with us personally, thank you

clever lion
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I appreciate you allowing me to be part of your decision process. If you ultimately decide you really don't want to stay on Fandom, regardless of any changes we make, then that's fair. If you want to stay on Fandom under certain conditions, I'll do my best to make those happen. Or, if you really don't want to stay on Fandom, but moving to Gamepedia is an option, I can get you help with the move from their side.

agile spindle
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from what i gather the hover lizard isn’t a cut candidate anymore

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or i can’t find a card other than the one on surface experience

fluid lagoon
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it never had a card before

agile spindle
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do we leave it as a cut candidate? it’s card currently doesn’t say that

fluid lagoon
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i dunno

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none of the cards on that board have any indicators

agile spindle
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let’s leave it since cory said it’s not likely to make it in

agile spindle
paper flare
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it's like he has no recollection of past events

cursive vigil
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when i become an admin

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and

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"when i tell everyone to not play subnautica'

hybrid bear
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I don’t think this guy understand how adminship works.

hallow basalt
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Common sense not found

heady gulch
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I want to reply so badly to him but I’m not going to

agile spindle
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i closed the thread anyway

frail dragon
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i've never seen one

hallow basalt
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They're hard to find

frail dragon
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i couldve sworn I found everything in that game... I spent hours exploring every biome
somehow i never found that

still vortex
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it's a HUGE gif though lmfao- 23.35 mb
if you want i could try to reduce the filesize

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but it would probably make it less high quality

short hearth
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@still vortex you using a custom palette for the gif?

still vortex
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no, that's just how the game looks

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idk what you mean actually

short hearth
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in gif generation if you do a custom palette it can cut down gif size alot

still vortex
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oh is that like... the thing that makes the gif only use colors that are already in the gif?

fierce imp
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yeah that's great
fandom's file size limit is 10mb though so you need to compress it

still vortex
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i'll do me best

short hearth
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yeah what are you using to generate gif?

still vortex
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ezgif lol

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ok i found a way

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just gimme a secundo to get the one that looks best

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just gimme a secundo to get the one that looks best

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(sorry if that sent twice or something, my internet's being a little hecky rn)

fierce imp
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go ahead and add it to the page

still vortex
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okey dokey

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done~

fierce imp
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very good

still vortex
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thank you

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:3

late island
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The thing about the Hover Lizard is that Obraxis said it probably will get in soon

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so there's been conflicting things.

agile spindle
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oh i did not catch that

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was it today?

late island
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no it was during that stream of the Sea Truck he did

agile spindle
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oh, thats more recent

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so whats the line at which we can delete user pictures

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cause milkpudding's profile gives me cancer

sharp prism
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huh

fierce imp
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it doesn't break the guidelines so

frail dragon
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what happened to the dock worker?

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is he just taking a break or is he dead or something

severe locust
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Probably got into a fight with the rock punchers and died.

still vortex
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wtf

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you're seriously wanting to remove the gif i put just because i have a furry on my profile

agile spindle
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no i just want to remove the furry

still vortex
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you can just ask and i would change it to something else

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though the text bubble says "if there were two guys on the moon and one killed the other with a rock would that be messed up or what"

agile spindle
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please change it

still vortex
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it's obvi a joke

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i mean fine...

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sigh... blank profile it is

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that's really disappointing

cursive vigil
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whats going on?

still vortex
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nothing

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just someone hating furries i guess

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which is average

cursive vigil
#

ya

frail dragon
fierce imp
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not like he could've done anything if you didn't remove it

still vortex
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yeah but i feel weird keeping it up if someone like. called me out on it

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even if it's nothing bad

cursive vigil
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bruh just be like nahhhhh

still vortex
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i'm too submissive

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i can't

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i'd feel really messed up putting it back now

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i'll just

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go

quiet halo
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ok??

still vortex
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i'm just gonna

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put it back and continue trying to get nice gifs for the wiki...

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is a thermal lily gif needed?

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to show off the heat waves

fierce imp
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there's a gif on the thermal lily page but its outdated

fluid lagoon
#

<@&192900629797142528> ted wants to know what time would work best for us to discuss the migration with him (possibly an additional vc session as well)

late island
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what like tomorrow?

fluid lagoon
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didn't say

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likely whenever we're both available

agile spindle
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my schedule is free on weekends

late island
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same

fierce imp
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yeah i'd say a weekend

agile spindle
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what if he doesn’t work weekends?

late island
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I'm up from like 10AM to 2AM on most days

fluid lagoon
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lemme bring up the message

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"It'd be great to chat with the admins and editors in Discord and maybe hop on a quick call to discuss further. Where are you located? What time of day would work best for you to connect? I'm in San Francisco, PST."

agile spindle
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we’re all US right, except bip?

fluid lagoon
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i think so

still vortex
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for reference it's 7 pm for pst right now

late island
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Bip is up anyway

agile spindle
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not always

heady gulch
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its 7 pm as well.

agile spindle
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but in the mornings he’s up pretty frequently i think

heady gulch
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im in pacific time.

still vortex
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pacific high five

heady gulch
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i think you are as well tueman.

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hgh fives

agile spindle
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yea

heady gulch
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thunder is 3 hours ahead of us.

stuck pawn
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everyone else then is EST i believe

heady gulch
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or 2, i forgot

stuck pawn
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three

heady gulch
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ah

late island
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Vee is an hour behind EST

agile spindle
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so like noonish?

late island
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so CST that'd be

fluid lagoon
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it's 9 right now

agile spindle
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noon pst is 1 pm mst, 2 pm cst, 3 pm est

late island
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I'd be willing to do it tomorrow.

heady gulch
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same,

fluid lagoon
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if only bippity was here

agile spindle
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tomorrow or sunday works for me as well

fluid lagoon
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ok so what time frame do we want to give him

agile spindle
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12-4 pst?

fluid lagoon
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also who of you would want to vc with him if any of you
obviously i can't

stuck pawn
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i won't be available for that if that's the time we go for

agile spindle
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on either day?

fluid lagoon
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then again i'll probably just tell him that vc is a bad idea considering there's no wiki keeper exclusive vc

still vortex
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good point lol

agile spindle
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he’ll probably move us into the dev vc

heady gulch
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probs

still vortex
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oh yeah that works

late island
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I'm sure there'd be a place we could talk privately

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if you can't I could whip out my phone and talk

stuck pawn
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either day since i work the afternoons

late island
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epic voice reveal

still vortex
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if anything you could form a temporary group chat and call each other through that

fluid lagoon
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what time works for u then fool @stuck pawn

agile spindle
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what times do you work thunder

late island
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Yeah we could slide into Ted's DMs.

stuck pawn
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3-7 saturday
2-6 sunday

agile spindle
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time zone

stuck pawn
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EST

agile spindle
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uhh

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wowie

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we could try 4 pm pst on sunday maybe?

stuck pawn
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that works for me

fierce imp
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that also works

late island
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So two days from now

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7pm EST

fluid lagoon
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i like having a time frame more than a specific hour

agile spindle
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yeah

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3-5 pm pst?

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idk

late island
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I'd only say a specific time so I don't miss it

fluid lagoon
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well it's so ted can choose what fits best

agile spindle
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tell him those are the best hours for us, but we can pick a different time if he can’t on that time

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like 12-4 pst on either day as a backup

fluid lagoon
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so 3-5 pm pst on sunday
and 12-4 pst on either day as a backup

agile spindle
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yeah

stuck pawn
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works for all of us then

agile spindle
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except bip. lol

fluid lagoon
#

bip will probably be available

stuck pawn
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i'm sure he'll be available regardless

agile spindle
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he’s not on right now, which is the same time we’re planning

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but those times are fine

fluid lagoon
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well
he can probably stay up

wet sand
#

he kind of does that all the time anyways

still vortex
#

sorry to interrupt i just want to ask this real quick- should i replace the static image of the thermal lily's heat with this gif? the only other gif is showing how they follow the player, and doesn't have a heat effect

heady gulch
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i think thats a great idea

still vortex
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alrighty!

fluid lagoon
wet sand
#

your award winning niceness act is doing wonders

agile spindle
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👍

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you don’t have a mic vee?

fluid lagoon
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i do not have a mic

wet sand
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yes that's the image i was referring to

agile spindle
#

when do we uh notify terran

stuck pawn
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does terran still use discord even

fluid lagoon
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terran is for nerds

fierce imp
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i've seen him on another server

wet sand
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i have seen him in the SCP Secret Lab server

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along with like another old user

agile spindle
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he’s banned on here and i’ve never spoken to him on discord afair

wet sand
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no one knows why he was banned here

agile spindle
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@still vortex thanks for changing it, that picture is fine

still vortex
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yw

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you mean the new one on my profile right

agile spindle
#

yeh

still vortex
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ye it's very cute i was like

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"there's no way this could upset anyone"
"IT'S PERFECT"

frail dragon
#

anyone gonna update the sea truck interior images?

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i made those when the sea truck had a yellow interior

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well, more beige maybe

late island
#

I don't have a mic either

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but I have a phone

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so that'll work I guess.

agile spindle
#

i have a mic but im

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well

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me

late island
#

I guess you and Vee could just listen in

agile spindle
#

I mean I'll talk if I have something constructive to add

cinder kestrel
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he’ll probably move us into the dev vc
I do like the thought of speaking with the president of a multi-million dollar company.
Anyway, I could make it on Sunday at either time, or at the end of the 3-5 time on Saturday.

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I do like the thought of speaking with the president of a multi-million dollar company.
Could somebody please tell me how inaccurate that sentence is?

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What are we discussing?

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Whether or not it is worthwhile to move? The logistics involved with it?

agile spindle
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lol

cinder kestrel
#

Alright, I take that as a "yes."

agile spindle
#

oh uh yes

cinder kestrel
#

Alright, so you agree to give me a thousand dollars.

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Noted.

agile spindle
#

sls do you think you'll talk during this conversation with ted

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or are you micless as well

cinder kestrel
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No microphone from me.

#
  1. How many of you guys will be using a microphone?
  2. Should we keep the Wiki Keeper role ping-able (aside from within this channel)?
  3. How come none of you guys bought me a burger already?
vague sundial
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How do you become a wiki keeper?

agile spindle
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be a good editor

fluid lagoon
late island
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Monday would work.

agile spindle
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both work for me but it'd have to be 3:30 pm at the earliest, since school

fluid lagoon
#

where the hecc is everyone else

fierce imp
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yeah those would both work for me

wicked rover
#

Vivi can i show you a foto and figure out if its min or not

heady gulch
#

I’m alright with it

vague sundial
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As in a good writer?

fluid lagoon
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bippity says the time is fine

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@stuck pawn what about you

summer kindle
#

So what does the actual process of changing to a UWE-hosted wiki entail?
How much work do we have to put in for that?
Are we creating a new wiki ground up with all the CSS and whatnot or are we just transferring existing content to something else?

agile spindle
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They'll probably reuse the structure from the NS2 wiki

summer kindle
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Oh yeah I forgot they had that

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That simplifies things

stuck pawn
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I won't be available, but someone can just give me the run down on it when it's done

summer kindle
#

How much of what we have on our wiki already is transferable

agile spindle
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like 90% of it at least

summer kindle
#

Templates and stuff can just be transferred?

agile spindle
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They both use MediaWiki so it's very easy to transfer, there are just a few kinks to figure out

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yeah

summer kindle
#

Okay so it will just mostly be copying and pasting if it does happen

agile spindle
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uhh infoboxes might cause a problem though

summer kindle
#

That’s fine

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Make a template that looks like an infobox problem solved

agile spindle
#

We'll need to figure out how to get the HTML for infoboxes or rewrite them entirely

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unless the new site takes portable infoboxes

summer kindle
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The NS2 wiki doesn’t seem to have them

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Just uses tables to mimic them

#

If this does go ahead we can merge the two wikis into one also

agile spindle
#

yeah

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which is another issue on how to deal with that

#

The way most wikis I've seen deal with it is by just splitting everything into one page for each game

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So Flare (SN) and Flare (BZ) pages and a disambiguation

#

Of course most of the content on our wikis repeat, so we might be able to find a way to circumvent that and have one page which information on both games

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The only problem I see with that is infoboxes, which have information about biomes

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which are obviously different in each game

summer kindle
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Dividing pages into two is easier imo

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I mean

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No

stuck pawn
#

we could just use tabbers for it if anything

summer kindle
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Having two pages for each thing that is in both game

agile spindle
#

tabbers would work but theyd need to be extremely obvious

summer kindle
#

I’d prefer to have two separate pages Copper (Subnautica) and Copper (Below Zero)

sage zinc
fluid lagoon
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because that's how they were drawn

summer kindle
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We can make tabbers obvious but I don’t like using them so often

fluid lagoon
#

what kind of question is this

sage zinc
#

oh.

stuck pawn
#

split pages would probably work best

fluid lagoon
stuck pawn
#

nice

agile spindle
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I would like to find an alternative to having multiple pages for every single thing but if thats the way you guys want to go then so be it

summer kindle
#

I think anything else just gets more confusing

agile spindle
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I'll try to write out some examples of what im thinking

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on a test page that is

late island
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I guess that is a problem

#

possibly having to merge the wikis again.

agile spindle
#

They should've been merged in the first place imo

late island
#

Nah I prefer the split

agile spindle
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Why? It's real confusing for new players

late island
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How so?

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If you're looking for something for Below Zero you go to the Below Zero wiki.

fluid lagoon
#

has there been a single person that has expressed confusion yet

agile spindle
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yes

late island
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If you're looking for stuff on the first SN, you go to that wiki.

agile spindle
#

most wikis combine both so thats what people generally look for

late island
#

Doesn't have to be like that

agile spindle
#

no but it's a lot nicer to have all the information on one wiki

late island
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It's more confusing I feel

agile spindle
#

if we mark every page as BZ or SN and have disambiguation links everywhere then it'd be pretty intuitive to navigate

fluid lagoon
#

frig i need to get formal

heady gulch
#

Hmm

fluid lagoon
#

now i'm ready

agile spindle
#

why do you need to get formal

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youre just typing arent you

fluid lagoon
#

it's the thought that counts, tueman

wet sand
#

why aren’t you Tuegentleman

agile spindle
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because i cant change my nickname 😩

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the t is lowercase you dips

summer kindle
#

That’s not formal

agile spindle
#

then make the g uppercase

frail dragon
#

ok so random info that might or might not be helpful

sage zinc
#

that's just trivia

frail dragon
#

every peeper that is NOT in the safe shallows has a 0.05% chance to be an enzyme peeper

maiden cloud
#

Hey @fluid lagoon I wouldn't mind listening on the chat about the wiki if that's alright

agile spindle
#

Are you available at those times?

maiden cloud
#

Pretty late UK time but I'll be around 😄

cinder kestrel
#

I am back.

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But I should be here on Monday.

uncut arch
#

this one part of the pda wiki doesnt look right

agile spindle
#

obviously we know exactly what you're talking about because you so helpfully linked it

uncut arch
#

see i was going to keep typing

#

but im going to continue surfing the web bye

frail dragon
agile spindle
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thatd be good

frail dragon
#

ok

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caption?

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to me that looks like a dead lilypad plant

agile spindle
#

collapsed

frail dragon
#

oh wait i think it isnt on the highest settings

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but there wouldnt be much of a difference there anyway

agile spindle
#

retake it

frail dragon
#

uh i'll try to find it

#

i might've went a few thousand meters north

agile spindle
#

sure

frail dragon
#

wait uh

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lilypad islands or lilypad page

agile spindle
#

both if you want

frail dragon
#

ok

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ok added it to both pages

agile spindle
#

@frail dragon what editor are you using?

frail dragon
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if that is what you mean

agile spindle
#

wiki editor

frail dragon
#

oh

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source code

agile spindle
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so you moved the text onto the infobox on purpose?

frail dragon
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what

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i dont recall doing that so uh

agile spindle
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you didnt touch that?

frail dragon
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all I did was rename some ___.png thing

agile spindle
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goddamn it fandom

frail dragon
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I don't think I have enough time to update the storage module

cinder kestrel
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The '''Sea Truck Aquarium Module''' is a [[Sea Truck]] module that collects any edible [[Fauna]] that come too close to the module. Captured creatures are planned to transferred to small glass pods, being visible within.<ref>https://favro.com/organization/35200a08dbbad85b26102638/0d9378db42299691bb14c708?card=Unk-3755</ref>
Became
The '''Sea Truck Aquarium Module''' is a [[Sea Truck]] module that collects any edible [[Fauna]] that come too close to the module. Captured creatures are planned to transferred to small glass pods, being visible within.<ref>https://favro.com/organization/35200a08dbbad85b26102638/0d9378db42299691bb14c708?card=Unk-3755</ref>.

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Here is your hint: they are identical, and the only difference in the edit is whether they are on the same line of code as the closing curly brackets for the infobox.

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Unless that was what you meant by "so you moved the text onto the infobox on purpose."

agile spindle
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thats what i meant

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but it's just fandom being fandom

cinder kestrel
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Except you know I am lying and it is more than that.

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Actually, I am not sure: "Captured creatures . . . transferred to small glass pods"?

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Or is that still being planned to happen?

agile spindle
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probably not

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id change it but my house just burned down

cinder kestrel
agile spindle
cinder kestrel
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RimWorld?

agile spindle
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my house burned down

cinder kestrel
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In the game, which I know nothing about except that apparently houses can burn down in it.

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Thanks, you ruined my interest in a game I never even heard the name of until now because all I know about it is that houses can burn down.

agile spindle
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some troll on my community central wall

cinder kestrel
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The guy is going to tell his friends one thing about the game, then because they only know one thing, they will hate it.

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Thanks, you just did that to me.

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I know nothing about the game except that deleted Discord invite that just appeared.

crystal badger
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Why is the large bird still under possible creatures in wiki

agile spindle
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because i dont know what it eats

agile spindle
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whats that

cinder kestrel
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Same thing as earlier.

agile spindle
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why are you posting it

pure thistle
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Not meant for here but I just wanted to ask you and i’ll delete after - how much is rimworld on steam? @agile spindle

cinder kestrel
fluid lagoon
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couldn't you have just tagged him in general chat

cinder kestrel
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To reinforce for the umpteenth time that FANDOM is crazy in some regards.

pure thistle
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Or I could’ve not made him switch chats and deleted after I asked 😃

fluid lagoon
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alternatively you could literally just check the price on steam yourself

cinder kestrel
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Yes, you could have sacrificed lawfulness for convenience.

pure thistle
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Why do you think I asked? Because I cant atm

fluid lagoon
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google

agile spindle
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why cant you

cinder kestrel
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.

pure thistle
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Unable to access comp. was unsure if googling would display cost so I figured i’d just ask. Whatever mb. đŸ€·

agile spindle
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you already put a period in general chat sls

cinder kestrel
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I would put "costs— #off-topic " if I wanted to continue.

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I thought you studied my life and knew this.

agile spindle
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surprisingly enough i have not studied your life

cinder kestrel
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Oh. Then which Wiki Keeper has?

agile spindle
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i dont know that any of us have

cinder kestrel
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I have.

agile spindle
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fair enough

cinder kestrel
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Is it truly fair to study one's own life?

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I only ever wrote one direct autobiography, and that was in elementary school.

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All of my thoughts, feelings, words, and actions are biographies of my life, but . . .

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But you think I make top tier memes.

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Goodnightday to you.

maiden cloud
paper flare
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lmao

opaque wagon
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Jesus Murphy... that’s all within under a minute

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Give the guy a second to type, huh

maiden cloud
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That was my feeling too

paper flare
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tue does that

opaque wagon
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Is it so hard to not be Passive-Agressive about it? wait for him to finish and then if they still haven’t posted the link, say “can you send the link to the page”

agile spindle
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ill admit that one was way harsh

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oops

little wolf
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Why is the “Large bird” still in the “possible creatures” when it’s planned to be added for EA#6 and does not have the “cut candidate” on it?

agile spindle
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because i dont know what it eats

little wolf
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Well guess I can’t argue with that

hybrid bear
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Foxtonnes is too argumentative TueGentleman gave this person enough time to type.

agile spindle
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i really didnt

hybrid bear
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The person should’ve said everything in 1 post.

summer kindle
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Less than a minute?

agile spindle
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he shouldve said it in one post sure but people arent perfect and i shouldnt have been sarcastic like that

hybrid bear
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Okay then buddy.

fluid lagoon
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i fear monday

agile spindle
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whys that

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oh

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OH

fluid lagoon
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you fool, how could you have already forgotten

summer kindle
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Someone just fill me in on the stuff that has to be said

agile spindle
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We're discussing the merger

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so i think he'll ask us questions about it

summer kindle
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The what

agile spindle
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merging the wiki to their site

fluid lagoon
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i don't fear speaking with Ted but i fear speaking with Ted in a place where randos can swoop in and be like "omg is that a dev let me intrude and ask dumb questions"

summer kindle
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He’ll move us into the dev chat I imagine

agile spindle
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He'll move us into a private chat obviously

summer kindle
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My concern is for how many people we will actually have speaking

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You have me, who knows nothing about the subject, you, who said you probably wouldn’t speak much. Who else?

agile spindle
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I believe myself and dino will be speaking

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idk about xeno or vivi

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or foxy

fierce imp
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i have no voice

fluid lagoon
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yes which is why it would probably be more of a text convo

agile spindle
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i mean people can type into chat and he can read it

cinder kestrel
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For me, the worst part is that I will lose that mystery of not knowing what your voices sound like.

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Unless you guys use a voice filter.

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But, if that is my only problem with the whole thing, then I should be fine.

summer kindle
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We will all use a Batman voice filter

cinder kestrel
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But how will we know who is speaking?

agile spindle
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look in discord

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our icons light up when we talk

cinder kestrel
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And if you speak at the same time because that is what Batman does (?)?

agile spindle
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just gotta learn our voices i guess

summer kindle
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We’re a bat hive mind

cinder kestrel
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Sounds functional.

agile spindle
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it is

frail dragon
agile spindle
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for what page

frail dragon
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shallow twisty bridges

agile spindle
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is that even shallow?

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looks like middle

thorny tinsel
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middle?

agile spindle
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twisty bridges

thorny tinsel
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there's a biome called middle twisty bridge?

frail dragon
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...

thorny tinsel
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i thought there was only safe and deep

agile spindle
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lol

thorny tinsel
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wow

frail dragon
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the one between is just called Twisty Bridges

thorny tinsel
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you learn something everyday

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oh hey tueman got a upgrade

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tuegentlemen

agile spindle
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in preparation for monday

hybrid bear
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I think I found a Boneshark in the mountains but I’m not sure if it wandered.

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It was right next to the island.

cursive vigil
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...

frail dragon
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is it worth noting on either the tree spires or crystal cave page that the entrance to the crystal caves entrance is in a large tunnel in the tree spires

agile spindle
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nah not until they start working on it

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the coordinates are on the map page anyway

agile spindle
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@cinder kestrel i require your html knowledge as google is failing me

pure thistle
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thats right above the trench area of twisty bridges

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like if you go below that you enter the trench.

cinder kestrel
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I will once again pretend I know what I am doing.

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What do you need?

agile spindle
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I want to have a TOC for this page without the headers showing up at all

cinder kestrel
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So you want a table of contents, but no headers in the article?

agile spindle
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yes

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not no headers, but the table of contents goes to parts of the list without actually breaking up the list itself with headers and such

cinder kestrel
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Alright, I'll think about it and do homework for nowget back to you later.

ashen steeple
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I want to help but I don't know anything about html yet

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Did you check if there wasn't already something like that on the wiki (or SN wiki), and if you couldn't just copy if from there ?

agile spindle
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we dont

ashen steeple
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Well of course, you would already know :/

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By curiosity, can you show me a page with a TOC with headers ?

agile spindle
polar lodge
agile spindle
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no one has taken a good one yet

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feel free to do so

ashen steeple
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Thanks

polar lodge
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also why is the seaglide not in vehicles or tools?

fierce imp
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its a deployable

ashen steeple
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I think it's considered a vehicle in SN wiki

agile spindle
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then the sn wiki is wrong

ashen steeple
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I maybe did an heresy, since I don't know anything about html

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but what is wrong when doing this ?

agile spindle
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are you trying to edit the page using inspect source?

ashen steeple
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I don't know, honestly

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I tought this was html, I'm not trying to edit but I thought that maybe it was the same html you were talking about

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Sorry x)

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(but no, I know that I can't edit it from here)

agile spindle
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it's....kind of the same html but all the editing we do is in the editor

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generally it would say edit but for you it might say view source

ashen steeple
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Well, the question remains : why is it impossible to copy the code from a table object and translate it on your list object ?

agile spindle
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what

ashen steeple
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I should probably shut my nonsens and my mouth sorry not happening again here đŸ˜¶

polar lodge
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is this an ok temporary chelicerate size comparison?

agile spindle
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no

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you need to disable the bubbles

polar lodge
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aight

agile spindle
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use the controller menu if you know what that is

cinder kestrel
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Well, the question remains : why is it impossible to copy the code from a table object and translate it on your list object ?
Here, read all of https://mediawiki.org .
Or just know the basic answer that the program takes the text we provide and translates it into HTML itself.

ashen steeple
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Thanks o/

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Sorry too o/

pure thistle
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What are the requirements for proper size comparison images and how would we be able to take them? @agile spindle

agile spindle
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You need to have everything in the picture except the player and creature gone

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whether that be through photoshop or in game settings

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and the background must be completely black (so, void picture)

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1920x1080 and highest graphics settings

pure thistle
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any way to get the creature to stand completely still for easier picture taking?