Dang thatâs cruel. It eats penglings too
#đwiki-discussion
heady gulch
agile spindle
We need to update the experimental mode page with Epic and Discord
Epic shouldnt be hard to get info on but
Who the hell plays on discord store
heady gulch
Well here is all the info I got on it, it attacks most creatures, only a select few it wonât attack, including the arctic peeper, Titan Holefish, glow whale, spinnerfish, symbiote, lilypaddler, And rockpuncher. Thatâs the list I made.
And doesnât attack any vehicles,
muted crystal
i found a werid egg thing
agile spindle
Where?
muted crystal
near the lilypad area
summer kindle
What does it look like
agile spindle
Do you have coordinates? Hi F1
muted crystal
it looks like a cylinder with black and yellow colors
agile spindle
oh wait
muted crystal
yeah
agile spindle
That's not an egg
muted crystal
"precursorlegfragment"
summer kindle
Leg
stone wasp
where i get crystalline sulfure?
muted crystal
wait you can go above it?
agile spindle
@stone wasp #below-zero-chat
stone wasp
sorry
muted crystal
i found something about a head fragment
agile spindle
yeah there are 4 fragments
muted crystal
agile spindle
we know about them already
muted crystal
oh ok
summer kindle
should I make a page for the vessel fragments?
I uploaded the images for them already
summer kindle
sure you can change it for now
was the legs fragment an alterra techsite or a marguerit techsite?
agile spindle
I believe marguerit
summer kindle
hang on I've got some concept art that should be good to go public now that can be a nice page background
at a second glance it won't make a good background
agile spindle
can we see it tho
https://subnautica-belowzero.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Miscellaneous this page isnt showing the stuff in it
agile spindle
oh
summer kindle
annoys me that it isn't the default
agile spindle
usually is for me
agile spindle
thats sick
summer kindle
which upon closer inspection seems to be a 3d concept?
agile spindle
the cube looks drawn
summer kindle
wait why does it come up so small when I open original
never mind I was just zoomed out
me big brain
agile spindle
agile spindle
sure
summer kindle
I wish our default galleries could be <gallery widths="200" spacing="small">
agile spindle
we can probably do that with wikia.css
grand island
Put spoiler pls
summer kindle
this is the wiki room
agile spindle
I believe I've acquired every blueprint available in survival and updated the wiki
other than fish
oh wait stasis rifle fragments
where are those?
frail dragon
Have we found the location of the propulsion cannon fragments
agile spindle
yea they're in the twisty bridges
frail dragon
I have only found them on the transition from the shallow twisty bridges to the thermal spires/arctic kelp
agile spindle
the rifle?
agile spindle
theyre in the kelp and twisty
frail dragon
Ok
frail dragon
For this I think I recall finding it in the medium level twisty bridges https://subnautica-belowzero.fandom.com/wiki/Repair_Tool
agile spindle
No I got it instantly when I crafted the first o2 tank
frail dragon
Really?
agile spindle
yea
frail dragon
Well I couldnât tell if it was a repair tool or laser cutter
But I do remember scanning it
agile spindle
i havent seen either of those in the middle twisty
maybe youre thinking of the cannon
frail dragon
I recorded the first three hours of gameplay so maybe I have it in that video
It was somewhere near a cave full of oxygen plants
frigid venture
I found stasis rifle frags in the spires
agile spindle
ill look there then
frigid venture
Down in the rock crusher ravines
agile spindle
how come you dont do it
summer kindle
I don't even know where to begin with that
agile spindle
maybe they changed it since SN and the russians cant figure out how
fluid lagoon
the russians are unstoppable
agile spindle
Which ones are we missing?
agile spindle
arent those just ores
that we have already
and how did we get the seed cluster icon?
agile spindle
how did we get it though
summer kindle
idk where it came from, some rando just added it
agile spindle
I mean if the Russians are being lazy I can always just photoshop the icons
better than nothing
Wait wouldnt the icons be in the same place as the pda entries?
Dino was able to extract those
heady gulch
@summer kindle the Russian wiki isnât run anymore by smartmotion if thatâs where your getting the images from
The Russian wiki community fell into disarray
summer kindle
It wasn't him that uploaded icons I don't think
agile spindle
If I try to photoshop them they're about half the quality of the extracted ones so thats a no go
heady gulch
Yeah but what I mean is if we rely on the Russian wiki then we canât rely on them too much any more
stuck pawn
hire smartmotion for the english wiki
heady gulch
He quit
Heâs stepped down from running the Russian wiki. Now a bunch of âfive gradersâ run the wiki
âLook, the entire Russian fan base was tied up to wiki, 3 VK (Russian social network) groups and Discord server. Server was deleted, the biggest group is totally useless (I mean, they are still posting some arts, ad-vids and news twice a month), my group is dead and only the last VK-commutiny is still functioning. Wiki is now under control of some 5-graders, who, no doubt, can't stand whole responsibility of that kind of social media resource.â he told me this in dms
heady gulch
Smartmotion knew how to pry stuff outta the files
stuck pawn
you have him friended?
heady gulch
Mhm
agile spindle
Can you ask him for us?
heady gulch
Alright
Yeah we need to figure how to do this kind of stuff, I asked him, havenât gotten a response yet. Err does Terran know how to do this kind of stuff? @stuck pawn
fierce imp
i can extract PDA images but i've never been able to find the icons
agile spindle
where are the pda images located?
fierce imp
sharedassets3
heady gulch
Well the Russian community mostly died out before the release of subnautica 1.0
stuck pawn
english wiki reigns supreme as usual
heady gulch
Yeah but weâve been leeching off of the russians a bit. we canât really do that anymore.
agile spindle
pretty sure vivi knows how he just cant find them
heady gulch
Iâll be honest I feel like thisâll be something weâll have to figure out on our own
agile spindle
@fierce imp what program do you use?
fierce imp
agile spindle
Right i got that, then you export the file as what?
fierce imp
png
fierce imp
you need to sort by type and select all the Texture2d files
then click plugins and select export to png
agile spindle
got it, thanks
heady gulch
All I know is this, search for asset files and turn .dds files to png, thatâs all I know and thatâs only info I loosely gathered from dm conversations.
heady gulch
Hm
Oh also digging through dms I found this. Could we make use out of this for the sn wiki?
summer kindle
pretty sure we have all of those
heady gulch
This photo is ancient, before 1.0
summer kindle
this really makes more questions than it answers
agile spindle
badum tss
heady gulch
Oh also I found this in dms as well
agile spindle
jukebox background
I found a PDA entry in 11 so i guess theres no rhyme or reason to where theyre located
agile spindle
whoa
agile spindle
you could cut it out and put it on top of the icon bg
not hard except we're missing the bg
and seems a little strange that they wouldn't have the whole thing anyway
hollow patrol
yeah I believe there is another texture called like blank_2 or something weird like that which is the background, I'll look in a bit
also the colors are usually darker than normal, I have a tool to fix that
summer kindle
thanks
heady gulch
Oh the icon background?
Iâm not sure how much thisâll help but nes sent me this a while back
Thank you for that btw nes
agile spindle
bottom middle one looks right
hollow patrol
I don't know if that's the same for the newer game I haven't played it yet đ
agile spindle
top middle looks like the menu icons
fierce imp
bottom left is food and bottom right is blueprint
agile spindle
My BZ just got an update and locked itself
fierce imp
i think
agile spindle
lol.
hollow patrol
also you sent those to me xeno lol
heady gulch
Wait I did?
hollow patrol
yes look who sent it
heady gulch
Wha? brief moment of thinking I musta got them from smartmotion then
fierce imp
some of them don't have the same things
hollow patrol
sharedassets are assets that share data with the level files (textures, scripts, prefabs used in that scene)
if it looks like they have the same assets its because whatever tool you used loaded that file's dependencies
heady gulch
Smartmotion sent me a lot of stuff, mostly cyclops stuff
hollow patrol
but if you guys are using uabe, you may want to try unityasset studio as it gives you previews
summer kindle
I have assetstudio
I'm too dumb to work out how to do anything other than just look at the stuff with it though
wet sand
last time I used unity studio with below zero stuff it broke so hard I had to restart my PC
wet sand
probably
hollow patrol
also its possible that the meshes crashed it too
wet sand
Iâve only ever used it with Hollow Knight
wet sand
pretty sure
i just used the version found in the pins of #modding in the hk discord
which is probably outdated
hmm yes I see it is over a year old
agile spindle
thats not that old
hollow patrol
it hotlinks to the releases page which links to appveyor which links to the latest release so
hollow patrol
I have enough money on steam to buy bz and it would probably make it a lot easier to get the assets...
I haven't really seen the game yet so I don't know if it's worth it right now
agile spindle
If you just want to play it casually then not really
hollow patrol
Have a lot of bugs/ unfinished?
agile spindle
yea
hollow patrol
rip I can't open the files with asset studio rn
pretty sure it used to open it without crashes
fierce imp
mobile vehicle bay
wet sand
oh i didn't notice there was a new exp update
agile spindle
its just 5 mb
wet sand
do we know what it adds
fierce imp
it's pengling holding animations, cloud optimization and sea truck construction
wet sand
ah
agile spindle
No new item commands i know that much
wet sand
cloud optimization
summer kindle
but no fix for clipping pengling teeth
I made a card for that ages ago smh my head
agile spindle
shake my head my head
summer kindle
Yeah?
agile spindle
yeah
fluid lagoon
shake smh my head
wet sand
oh it seems below zero is doing the below zero thing of just not updating
agile spindle
thats a steam thing
wet sand
i know but it only happens in BZ for me
it gets to the full update and then just says "stopping"
agile spindle
did hoverbike always have a recipe
agile spindle
fierce imp
i don't remember it having one
wet sand
that seems a little low
wet sand
yeah imo it's not worth adding to the wiki because they seem to be placeholders
agile spindle
im not gonna both making recipe for all of those yet yeah
all sea truck upgrades
no recipe for any of them
thorny tinsel
seamoth being replaced in below zero?
wet sand
yes
thorny tinsel
YUS
agile spindle
first person ive seen actually be excited about that
agile spindle
most people whine that theyre losing the seamoth
cinder kestrel
Yes, because the player somehow crawled out of the hatch of the moving vehicle and placed themselves in front of the vehicle and somehow manage to slow down, just so that the Seamoth could ram into themselves.
hollow patrol
are the icons pasted above from bz?
agile spindle
some of them are
lusty escarp
Personally I would of kept both the Seamoth and the Truck. I don't see the reason to remove the one.
hollow patrol
well is the file from bz
agile spindle
I don't think vivi would be searching through sn files
fierce imp
yeah i got them from bz assets
hollow patrol
I didn't know if had been repasted from somewhere else
this should have correct brighter colors now
wet sand
is it okay to add the Pengling holding anim to the wiki
agile spindle
yea
hollow patrol
also it can be automated to place the icons over the background thru unity sprite data
wet sand
also if you can find the Jukebox play buttons that would be really nice because it would make the Jukebox page look a lot nicer
agile spindle
I see the ribbon plant and PDA icons on the bottom left
wet sand
đ
agile spindle
damn beat me to it
wet sand
okay we don't need all icons just the highlighted ones
fierce imp
they're grouped together
wet sand
okay
is there a way i can add them as an "icon" or do i just have to upload each image individually
agile spindle
What do you mean?
summer kindle
Those just use uploaded images
fierce imp
you can upload them as images and use "px" to scale them down
agile spindle
creepvine cluster icon
summer kindle
Also you can upload 10 images at once
wet sand
this is going to be fun cropping out icons
summer kindle
Under helpful links thereâs a multi-upload option
fluid lagoon
god i wish we had character portraits like the middle for every character
summer kindle
Iâd like to assume woman on the left is Sam
thorny tinsel
who is the one on the right
fierce imp
a nobody
thorny tinsel
OOF
agile spindle
shes from SN
thorny tinsel
in the aurora
agile spindle
like 30 dudes had a picture of her, she got around
thorny tinsel
right?
fluid lagoon
then again at least we're due to get art for every character at all
fierce imp
for some reason everyone had a picture of her plastered in their lockers
thorny tinsel
maybe a famous person
agile spindle
she looks too modest to be famous
thorny tinsel
what?
cinder kestrel
@wet sand There are methods to use the single file to get each icon.
agile spindle
cinder kestrel
If you want to take a look at how https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Template:BlockSprite or https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Template:ItemSprite can take the full image and manage it, then go ahead.
wet sand
no offense but this doesn't help much
agile spindle
Here's the pda picture for the dive suit
thorny tinsel
MOIST
agile spindle
the file is called "loldeletethisbs"
fierce imp
4 years and it still hasn't been deleted
hollow patrol
the rocket launch image
thorny tinsel
aaw darn
wet sand
the glare is Obraxis upon seeing his golden joystick award
summer kindle
We already have the suit data bank entry image Tueman
agile spindle
where is it tho
agile spindle
O
wet sand
20px seems to be doing the job
cinder kestrel
If only there were edit buttons to view the source code of the templates I gave . . .
wet sand
@fierce imp do you have the icon for the 4 bars on the jukebox next to the volume slider?
agile spindle
the volume
fierce imp
that one's part of the background apparently
fierce imp
wet sand
that's annoying
that's two buttons without any icon on the wiki
what to do about those
agile spindle
whats the other
agile spindle
@wet sand there should be a picture of the screen itself so they can reference it
agile spindle
lets just say i was active in #below-zero-chat before release
agile spindle
no you can build one in your base too
thorny tinsel
but it is also in a sea truck room right?
agile spindle
yes
thorny tinsel
ye
agile spindle
After more testing the horsepower upgrade does have an effect on speed when more modules are added
but the afterburner and thruster upgrades still seem to do nothing
frail dragon
Are the sleeper and teleporter and upgrades only in experimental
agile spindle
Sea Truck Energy Efficiency upgrade doesnt do anything yet
at least not as far as I can tell because the power usage is super buggy
late island
I'll probably combine the Twisty Bridges pages again later.
Not really a reason to have them separate.
agile spindle
Wait till Deep is in before you do
just to see if theyre different enough
also can I say it's really annoying when people make an empty page and dont fill it up later
oak rapids
well hey there folks
summer kindle
He lives
oak rapids
Damn he does.
agile spindle
hey @oak rapids we were wondering how you get icons from the game files. do you get the items and background separately and overlay them? or is there a better way?
oak rapids
there certainly is a better way, but the only person who knows it is the guy, who extracted the icons after the last time they were changed. I've
asked him for a favor, though he hasn't answered yet.
agile spindle
thanks, let us know
wanton forge
@agile spindle i asked this in bz-chat, but people did not care. So; cant you use savegames in experimental that are in an older version?
agile spindle
yes
wanton forge
any way to save it?
agile spindle
i mean yes you can use it
wanton forge
wich means i'll have to wait, till theres an update, right?
agile spindle
or you could verify game files
well that might not work but try it
otherwise make a new since till they update again
stoic ridge
How can i get the newer versions on the Epic games store? i know that on steam there is an option but cannot find anything similar on the epic store.
agile spindle
it is not on epic
cloud pike
b/
agile spindle
@fierce imp props for actually using the notingame template
fierce imp
when did i do that
agile spindle
on the precursor tether page
fierce imp
that was bip
fierce imp
pfft
toxic cargo
I hope your Monday has gone better so far than your weekend Xeno
oblique mica
agile spindle
I feel that Data Downloads as a page is too restrictive
wouldnt it be way better to have Databank page for all pda entries?
frail dragon
thats a long page
agile spindle
I'm willing to transcribe it
frail dragon
wow
agile spindle
wouldnt it be way better to have Databank page for all pda entries?```
Can I get another opinion? @late island @fierce imp @heady gulch
dull totem
There's quite a number of data downloads actually and id say it's often helpful to be able to switch between them
agile spindle
I don't see why we should have a page for only some PDA entries
dull totem
But theyre very different from the scans
And the scans don't really contribute much to the story, only the world where the data downloads do
heady gulch
Erm. I feel so so on that idea.
agile spindle
What's your thinking?
dull totem
Also realistically one is for science and one is for story stuff
It would be kinda like mixing your pokedex with your key item descriptions
Like sure there's not that many key items but also the pokedex is for the pokemon
agile spindle
Still it's good to have all the information in one place
They're separated by headers anyway
heady gulch
yeah but digging through the headers is kind of an eyesore tbh.
agile spindle
That's what the table of contents is for
idk if I've ever scrolled through the page to find an entry
heady gulch
i have, and i say its an eyesore because it is. it would be better to just have this formatted as:
- Alterra Search & Rescue Mission
- Aurora Survivors
- Aurora Data
- Degasi Voice logs
- Alien Data
- Data downloads without headline
- Unused logs
- Trivia
sure it helps you find what your looking for but its an eyesore to dig through and scroll through in general when you can go to a main category like aurora survivors and find whatever lifepod there, but thats just me.
agile spindle
Actually if we go with my suggestion it wouldn't put every entry name in the TOC because we'd need an additional level of headers
There would be ==Data Downloads ===Aurora Survivors=== ====Log Name====
heady gulch
I like that.
agile spindle
only the first two would appear
But I only want to do it on BZ, not really interested in working on SN wiki atm
heady gulch
hm
thorny tinsel
o
fluid lagoon
yes
toxic cargo
@oblique mica that wasn't a troll comment :P
thorny tinsel
Lol
agile spindle
@cinder kestrel If we have categories for every other job it doesn't make sense to omit one just because there's only one person for it
hallow basalt
is that encrypted entry even necessary here?
there's also an extra Strader VI entry on the page as well for some reason
cinder kestrel
I assume the other categories have multiple people in them, then.
Anyway, I noticed this. Am I just late to the party of noticing this?
fierce imp
bug probably
thorny tinsel
what does it run on
agile spindle
electricity just like everything else
upbeat berry
add in the wiki you can kinda tame a reaper by giving it a peeper
fierce imp
thats a thing with all hostile fauna
agile spindle
Hm so I was wrong about the headers, they still show up on the TOC at four ='s
but I'll figure out a way to hide them
agile spindle
After fighting valiantly with section headers I've decided that the databank page no longer needs the rest of the PDA entries
now if youll excuse me I'm gonna go drown in a hot bath of CSS lava on temperature HTML
velvet condor
Cam we get a wiki page about the new additions that are being added in experimental?
velvet condor
I mean a specific page for the new stuff added each day to make things easier
velvet condor
Ok thanks
summer kindle
A real time log of experimental updates sounds pretty hard
checkins exists for a reason?
lament bear
Just curious but is there any lore behind how similar arctic creatures like peepers and bladderfish crossed into the arctic through the void? Which I assume is thousands of km apart from the volcano?
I assumed they are isolated and thus would have different evolutionary trees.
summer kindle
Some of them may be placeholder
lament bear
I know that much
summer kindle
Cory said that he was aiming for having 90% new creatures
but how that will pan out we don't know
agile spindle
i can do a log of ânotableâ changes on the Experimental Mode page
shouldnât be too hard since iâm aware of what has changed so far
agile spindle
no iâm at school
velvet condor
Oh ha same
agile spindle
iâll get to it in maybe 7-8 hrs
velvet condor
Ok
lavish sun
wassup
agile spindle
@velvet condor i got the chance to make it a bit earlier, check it out on the experimental mode page
velvet condor
Ok
agile spindle
@kind acorn go to #subnautica-chat
velvet condor
It's used in the gas torpedos
kind acorn
oof sorry
agile spindle
it might be incomplete floober that was off the top of my head
kind acorn
floater
agile spindle
i also changed the navigation bar a bit to have more links
covert elbow
Okey so i have a question. Does anybody know for sure when the next content update will be realesed?
cursive vigil
velvet condor
@agile spindle I feel like your the only one doing stuff in the wiki, your doing a really good job at it too
fluid lagoon
that's a big thonk right there
agile spindle
bippity, dino, and vivi are pretty active too
agile spindle
and ivan and jamin hold down the fort at the SN wiki
velvet condor
Ah
agile spindle
just donât have a life 4head
velvet condor
Aww sorry
I just don't ask about the base game much, I know alot about it with the time I've been with it
heady gulch
I just watch from the side, try to pick up on unnnoticed details time to Time. Mostly making sure info is up to date
velvet condor
It kinda sounds fun, do you like doing that?
heady gulch
Yeah. Itâs nice feeling like I still make a contribution to the massive wiki even though itâs small most of the time
velvet condor
Sounds nice
heady gulch
It is
cinder kestrel
checkins exists for a reason?
Do we have a link to that on the wiki?
heady gulch
?
wet sand
however
1: it links to the feedback site
2: the trello links should say favro
in fact they don't even link to favro
hell the trellos link to SN's roadmap
agile spindle
i changed the trello and checking links but i canât change steam and website links rn, gotta wait till i get home
heady gulch
Anything I can do? I get outta school in 13 min, I can do some stuff then
agile spindle
well we need all biome pages to accurately show resources, fauna, flora and corals
so you could do that
heady gulch
Sure. Iâll do a biome sweep when I get home
agile spindle
okay, make sure to update the individual pages themselves if you find anything new
also the fauna, biomes, etc pages themselves
itâs a huge hassle i know
heady gulch
Itâs fine I have spare time
agile spindle
I wonder if we can't improve it somehow? Maybe a template similar to {{Recipe2}}
summer kindle
For what?
agile spindle
For locations/biomes on resource/fauna etc pages
Because we end up using the same list of locations on three or four pages
summer kindle
I donât see how that would work and it sounds like a lot more trouble than it is worth
3 or 4 pages?
agile spindle
Say we find a new fauna in a biome
summer kindle
I forgot about the flora and fauna pages themselves nvm
agile spindle
We have to update the fauna page, the biome page, that fauna's page AND that biome's page
summer kindle
It takes like 1 minute
heady gulch
im getting in rn, so ill sweep through the biomes for flora and fauna.
agile spindle
Bippity you could say the same for recipes though
but we have a template for those
heady gulch
when you updata one fauna or flora page with the biome info you have to update the biome page too. so on so forth.
agile spindle
Most appear on two or three pages
summer kindle
Itâs also more accessible to editors without a template like that
But then tueman you also have your outliers like titanium which is in over 80 crafting recipes?
agile spindle
I'm not advocating that we stop using the recipe2 template
summer kindle
Yeah I know youâre not I just donât think your comparison is very good
agile spindle
It's the best comparison there is though
frail dragon
Btw with when you said you were going to fix the creature spawns and stuff for biomes... with the Arctic biome , rockpunchers are very rare but are still present
agile spindle
I'm sure he'll fix whatever inconsistencies he comes across
summer kindle
It seems entirely unnecessary to me.
And it would only be used on two pages. The individual flora page, and the general flora page.
Or fauna same thing
agile spindle
oh you dont edit the biomes page huh
summer kindle
No that would require a different list
agile spindle
no as in we dont put that info there
i mean it's on the biome's page so no need
It's true if we made a template it would only go on two pages
Oh well
still an annoying hassle but I wish there was a way to improve it
summer kindle
And would be harder to understand for your typical editor
fluid lagoon
yes
agile spindle
l i t
heady gulch
how many times is something named zero or referenced too as zero?
agile spindle
at least four
Research Base Zero, Alien Research Site Zero, Sanctuary Zero, Sector Zero
fierce imp
thereâs also the dialogue
agile spindle
we still need to talk about the rocket base on the rocket island page
or make a whole new page
wet sand
subnautica: below zero subtlety
summer kindle
Based on how we have the other bases it should have its own page
agile spindle
agreed
summer kindle
The only thing thatâs held it back is the fact that it lacks a name or any mention
We can just call it Rocket Island Base
I wonder which naming convention it will follow
Since we have 2 for no reason
Research Bases Omega, Cappa and Zero
Why Zero Tom
fluid lagoon
petition to make a mod that reskins the dive suit to look like samus aran's zero suit
agile spindle
hot
summer kindle
Petition to rename Robin Goodall to Rozero Gozeroall
and make her age Below Zero
Oh and rename Al-An to Ze-Ro while youâre at it
agile spindle
Re-Zero
heady gulch
petition to make ryley an actual janitor or mention to his life as a janitor after leaving 4546b
agile spindle
non-essential is literally in his job title lmao
heady gulch
thats true. so he cant be a janitor since they are essential
cinder kestrel
He is the "non-essential systems maintenance chief" (I think). Do not janitors chiefly maintain the non-essential systems (assuming walkways are not essential)?
heady gulch
ah yes
heady gulch
without it you cant go anywhere. like overhead walkways above large hangar bays
agile spindle
i wouldn't call them systems though
summer kindle
Smh learn to levitate
agile spindle
well where you gonna levitate in a big metal ship bip? the pipes?
cinder kestrel
Hopefully, Marching Band makes it look like I am levitating.
People seamlessly glide when they levitate, right?
summer kindle
Just learn to teleport by pure will power
agile spindle
why havent i thought of that
heady gulch
its like when you dial your phone using the power of concentration
heady gulch
i need to see thsi
stuck pawn
you say it like it's a bad thing tueman
how else am i going to rid the wiki of redirects
agile spindle
redirects arent really a problem
stuck pawn
to me they are
cinder kestrel
I second the motion.
agile spindle
o
cinder kestrel
But which one?
stuck pawn
why else would i have edited the page
cinder kestrel
For maliciouscomical fun?
agile spindle
to spread your propaganda of course
stuck pawn
both of those are equal possibilities
agile spindle
@cinder kestrel while you're here can i have your bot change all mentions of "Arctic Kelp Sample to "Creepvine Sample" and "Arctic Kelp Seed Cluster" to "Creepvine Seed Cluster"?
including on the Template:Recipe2 page
summer kindle
I mean, youâd also wanna change any mention of Arctic Kelp Root to Bloodroot then
agile spindle
yea
cinder kestrel
Error: quotation marks do not all close.
Perfectly understood.
heady gulch
also the cyclops page seems a bit off.
cinder kestrel
I mean, youâd also wanna change any mention of Arctic Kelp Root to Bloodroot then
I mean
Yes. Yes you are.
agile spindle
So something weird happened with the cyclops page earlier
heady gulch
trolls?
agile spindle
Someone moved it I think but when I went to check on the page it was still called Cyclops
agile spindle
and the activity feed showed him adding the page's entire content
I didn't touch either one
The page looked fine to me so I didn't touch anything
cinder kestrel
History was still deleted by BippityBop.,
heady gulch
this super robert guy has made only 2 edits, one clearing out the trivia page for the seatreader feces ,and the other, moving the cyclops page
cinder kestrel
And a third: making a redirect in the process of the latter operation.
A second redirect.
agile spindle
link his profile?
agile spindle
works
heady gulch
joined yesterday. We should keep an eye on him
heady gulch
I dont even know how to do that in the first place.
cinder kestrel
We can remove their power to move pages.
agile spindle
Well we absolutely should
cinder kestrel
With the bot, it would have to be done manually (click "protect," change settings, save to next page, and repeat)--but it could take a while.
Still quicker than doing it via internet browsers like Microsoft Edge.
agile spindle
it requires protecting every page?
cinder kestrel
Each one individually must be protected for page movement (different from editing protection).
And now I will double-check and see if there is an easier way.
agile spindle
@cinder kestrel I forgot to mention, also change "Arctic Kelp" to "Creepvine"
cinder kestrel
Well, unless you want to send an email to FANDOM staff asking them to move-protect all pages, the only option I see is to do it manually.
agile spindle
Go ahead then, on both wikis
cinder kestrel
So doing it manually is the decision?
agile spindle
"Arctic Kelp Caves" and "Arctic Kelp Forest" should not have been changed
I meant the name of the plant itself
cinder kestrel
Alright, I will make sure to change that back.
Partially out of lazinessa desire to get my homework done and partially to get community consensus, I am going to wait a bit before using the bot to move-protect all pages, rather than contact FANDOM staff.
cinder kestrel
This can only continue if we do not give the user a bot flag.
cinder kestrel
In charge of dominating achievements, customizing them, or getting the flag?
agile spindle
flag
frail dragon
Seriously what happened to the cyclops page
agile spindle
Is it not fine
cinder kestrel
What did happen?
It got moved, and a random user prompted a wrong course of action to get it fixed.
When somebody moves a page when they should not have, the better thing to do is to move the page back. The worse thing to do is to copy the code from the new page name to the old page name and delete the new page name. The reason is that only one of those two preserves the history of the page.
General wiki lesson for you.
frail dragon
I feel like it was an underage user trying to help but failing
That or a troll?
cinder kestrel
Potentially.
frail dragon
âAll about the clyclopsâ
fierce imp
seems like something a kid would do
cinder kestrel
They probably just wanted to help
Yes, which leads me on to my next discussion.
[Insert contents of https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/Help:Assuming_good_faith here]
That concludes it all. Have a nice day.
frail dragon
I got an email about all about the clyclops being edited then it was deleted and then the normal cyclops page was fixed
I think I get it now
cinder kestrel
Even in cases of obvious vandalism, you might be surprised how often a kind and personal warning can get people to stop, and even apologize. Some vandals are just bored readers who do not think anyone is paying attention or don't believe that his or her obnoxiousness is affecting real people.
Wow, somebody actually wrote that.
I mean, I agree with everything in that quote, but still.
agile spindle
sometimes it works
frail dragon
Wis pig did that seemed to have done some good edits too though... did that person clear the page or try to fix it?
agile spindle
being personally asked to stop makes people nervous
cinder kestrel
I believe that user tried to fix it.
frail dragon
Ok
One more tying I need to know... why is it named âall about a clyclopsâ? I didnât follow that page but got emails about it
cinder kestrel
agile spindle
are we sure this is a character https://favro.com/organization/35200a08dbbad85b26102638/0d9378db42299691bb14c708?card=Unk-3333
Sounds like it means they need several VAs, not a guy named plenty
hallow basalt
Why are these pages not the same or merged? https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/Alien_Arch_Caches
https://subnautica.fandom.com/wiki/Alien_Arches
agile spindle
because I was not here when those pages were made and apparently people were very disorganized without me
go ahead and merge them
hallow basalt
lol
one is very compact and only lists them all with pics and tabs
the other just explains the fauna n stuff each slave one has
fluid lagoon
why do they need to be merged
agile spindle
theyre the same thing
fluid lagoon
not really
hallow basalt
and it's a bit confusing to have 2 pages for it
they talk about the same thing but with different approaches
agile spindle
Having a page about the rooms the arches are in is worthless
It should be about both
fluid lagoon
one's about the caches
one's about the arch
agile spindle
Have a page about both
fluid lagoon
we don't need to merge it
agile spindle
I don't see why we need two pages for essentially the same thing
@hallow basalt you can merge them
late island
I guess since one person wanted to and another admin disagreed it's okay?
Didn't even bother asking other keepers.
agile spindle
Every time I ask other wiki keepers it takes 30 minutes for someone to come in and say "I don't know"
late island
They don't need to be merged.
Not all of the arches are in caches.
Seems less cluttered to split it.
agile spindle
Yeah but every arch cache has an arch
So you can detail each arch, and talk about the cache contents if it's in one
late island
That being said, why aren't the Twisty Bridges pages merged?
That's something that makes sense to merge.
agile spindle
Because they're wildly different biomes
late island
So are all of the Lost River sections.
agile spindle
People will get confused if they come looking for info on the starter biome and it shows three different ones
late island
Not if there's tabbers for each level.
fluid lagoon
agile spindle
They're so different
Twisty Bridges has Crashfish, Brute Sharks, silver, oxygen plants, certain tech/structures
depth, lighting etc
late island
Then put those in the other tabber on the page.
agile spindle
Why not put every biome on one page and just have 500 tabbers?
late island
Tueman pls.
agile spindle
The only similarity the shallow and mid bridges shares is the tentacles
late island
I'd argue all of those different pages is confusing.
Also there's the grass, the tentacles, the bridges, the bulbs, the cliff coral, the ribbon plants, the spotted reeds relative, the redwort relative, and the general textures in common.
agile spindle
you just named a bunch of decorative flora
late island
The tentacles are those too also that's half the biome.
But I'm still saying no to separating the two Arch pages. Because that's an entirely different situation.
agile spindle
It is ridiculously confusing for people looking for information on arches who see two different pages that have basically the same information
late island
That isn't the same info though.
The cache page is describing the caches themselves, while the arch page describes the arches themselves.
agile spindle
they're both about locations with arches
You could easily combine the two and talk about them simultaneously
hallow basalt
well let's get a page that describes both at the same time
late island
The arch page only says where all of the arches are.
The caches page describes the locations.
And once again, not all of the info overlaps.
agile spindle
We could say where the arches are and describe the caches on the same page
hallow basalt
I could give it a try and make it overlap
agile spindle
It makes no sense to separate that information
late island
Both of those pages are already pretty packed with info.
Unless you want to slash the cache info for no reason.
agile spindle
I'm not suggesting we slash information, I'm suggesting we put a small description for every arch and longer if it's in a cache
late island
I think what'd make more sense is the Arch Cache page being merged with the other cache pages.
But then that's way too much on one page so we split it.
hallow basalt
what other cache pages? sanctuary caches?
agile spindle
"Too much on one page" is a bad argument for not combining pages
If the information is complete and easily accessible it doesn't matter how long the page is
late island
It might've been more about the tabbers than anything.
But if you want to merge a page merge the cache pages.
agile spindle
I don't hate that idea, but I think merging Arch Caches and Arches is more helpful
All the sanctuary caches are found by players from the outside
all the arch caches are found by players who go through another arch first
fluid lagoon
what
hallow basalt
you can find all from the outside
agile spindle
most dont
hallow basalt
the difference is that slave archs only become functional when you activate them
agile spindle
@fluid lagoon if you don't have something more constructive to say than "what" it's more helpful not to say anything
fierce imp
not all of the arches are found in caches so i think they should stay seperate
late island
We've told them that but they don't get it.
hallow basalt
but they are all arches
late island
That's not the point.
agile spindle
But we could describe the arches and have the arch caches as a side description
no one looks up arch caches anyway, they only care about the arches
late island
They look up the arch page, and if they want more info they go to the cache page.
Unless of course it's in another base, in which case they go to that page.
agile spindle
Orrrr they could go to the arch page and stay on the same page for more information
hallow basalt
đ¤
late island
Or we could not bother with a million tabbers and not go through with something only two people care about.
fluid lagoon
@agile spindle it's more helpful to not say things so bizarre that they warrant a "what" as a response
hallow basalt
well that's kinda rude
late island
I mean she isn't wrong.
agile spindle
Just because you don't agree doesn't mean it wouldn't help others
late island
This whole argument just sounds like they want it "because".
agile spindle
I'm not talking about what looks good, I'm talking about what helps people who aren't on here a lot
You're not even looking at this from a "helping the community" point of view, which is what we're about
hallow basalt
because when I was looking the page for the first time playing the game i got super confused because Alien Arches are scannable in-game but the whole Alien Arch Caches are not and it made me think they were two completely separate things
late island
That seems like a personal problem.
hallow basalt
true but what if it happened to others?
late island
Do you know if it's happened to others?
agile spindle
Now you're blaming Ivan for not understanding our convoluted system? Seriously?
hallow basalt
It's a possibility
hallow basalt
._.
agile spindle
It's so clear how people could confuse the two
late island
One has more info on one aspect, another on the other.
late island
It isn't though.
hallow basalt
Two. Pages.
hallow basalt
ok lemme make a page for the lava pit on the ILZ to level it out
or a page for the crash zone trench
agile spindle
We have two pages of info that could be easily and conveniently combined onto one
that's whats convoluted
hallow basalt
I want to at least try to make it work
If it doesn't, oh well
If it does, oh cool
late island
There I've edited the page with more links between the two.
Maybe we should have a vote. While the different sections of the Twisty Bridges are considered separate even in logs and such, I still think it might make more sense to combine the pages due to the large amount of overlap between the sections within that whole "Twisty Bridges" area.
<@&192900629797142528> https://www.strawpoll.me/17375547
There would of course be tabbers for each section like with the Lost River page.
agile spindle
In response to Dino's idea, I think it would be confusing if we combined the two pages because they have many notable differences and players may be looking for information on only one biome
cinder kestrel
You're not even looking at this from a "helping the community" point of view, which is what we're about
We are now? Cool.
agile spindle
I assume you're making a dig at me for some argument I made?
cinder kestrel
No, just noting how we normally are less about other, random contributors and are more about ourselves.
agile spindle
I wasn't talking about contributors at all, I meant random people who read the wiki for information
cinder kestrel
Go to sleep (whenever you normally do) and in the morning review everything you wrote in your conversation. See if you regret anything you posted. I would give that advice to everybody else, but then I would start seeming like (more of) a sassy, self-imposing mini-mod.
Anyway, I say yes to merging Alien Arches and Alien Arch Caches, and I had this sort of style in mind:
agile spindle
I assume you're being sarcastic
cinder kestrel
About which part?
agile spindle
the description
cinder kestrel
Nah, I just copy-pasted from the Caches article. In practice, it would definitely need shortening and formating (to not be so narrow).
agile spindle
Well we never put lengthy descriptions in a table
at least not one with columns
So it wouldn't resemble that at all
cinder kestrel
But does not HTML use tables of some sort for the page, and we put lengthy descriptions into them?
Joke aside, what do you think of having a fifth column with a shorter description of the cache?
agile spindle
Why not tabbers similar to the ones we have on the lost river page for every arch
would be much cleaner looking
cinder kestrel
Using tabbers means being more descriptive. We could definitely work with keeping descriptions at 1-2 sentences long (and so be good with using tables), but I suppose we could write more stuff and use tabbers instead.
"we" being "you all," before "you all" include me in "we."
agile spindle
The arches with caches might be hard to describe in 1-2 sentences
cinder kestrel
Located in a tunnel in the Bulb Zone, with no flora. Arch is situated amidst many stalagmites.
Aside from inaccuracies, I think that works well-ish.
cinder kestrel
Located in a tunnel in the Bulb Zone, with lots of stuff wanting to be collected. Arch is situated amidst many stalagmites and outcrops that want to be harvested.
agile spindle
or we could have tabbers and have enough space to say what is in them
cinder kestrel
I have lost bivalence in this matter (just assuming that "bivalence" is the opposite of "ambivalence" and hoping I did not just earn a total ban), so go ahead and do what you want--or get more opinions in this matter.
Not that you . . . already did . . .
agile spindle
only one person made a constructive argument against it
but I think Ivan had an idea in mind for what to do with it
cinder kestrel
Turns, "__bi__valence" is "the existence of only two states or truth values (e.g. true and false)."
So, that is my biggest problem right now, besides standard existence.
agile spindle
I don't really understand what you're telling me
cinder kestrel
Turns, "bivalence" is "the existence of only two states or truth values (e.g. true and false)."
That is a continuation of:
I have lost bivalence in this matter (just assuming that "bivalence" is the opposite of "ambivalence" and hoping I did not just earn a total ban), so go ahead and do what you want--or get more opinions in this matter.
That, in turn, was my response to your suggestion of having tabbers.
agile spindle
Yeah but you're being verbose and it's confusing me on your meaning
cinder kestrel
Fair enough: it means I "no longer have an opinion on tabbers vs. tables."
cinder kestrel
Plus a medley of other facts.
Are you gloating over my loss of opinion?
Or are you gloating over your chair?
cinder kestrel
Heard or read?
(Eventually, you may realize I am not contributing to the original topic.)
agile spindle
You supported merging the pages
agile spindle
Are you nullifying your opinion?
cinder kestrel
I mean that my opinions still hold, but:
Are you gloating over my loss of opinion?
Or are you gloating over your chair?```
What I am now typing no longer contributes.what does gloating over my chair mean
cinder kestrel
It means that, if you are gloating, then you are doing so over your chair.
You are sitting on your chair, right?
Frankly, my ramblings would go better in #off-topic than in here, but eh.
agile spindle
idk if you know this SLS but you have a great sense of humor
cinder kestrel
Yo estoy contento con mi cinco--checkes #sn-discord-rules --senses. I do not need another sense to be added on top of those five.
agile spindle
I'm fine with my five? I didn't take spanish
cinder kestrel
You translated correctly.
At the em dashes, I switch langauges.
But when it says "please do not communicate in other languages," does that include messages that are somehow not at all attempts at communication? If not, I can plausibly write in Spanish and get away with it.
Or I can get banned.
Either/or.
agile spindle
I don't think anyone would bother banning you for one sentence in spanish
cinder kestrel
If the letter of the law stated I should be banned for it, no exceptions, I would definitely ban myself for it.
agile spindle
good thing you aren't a mod then
cinder kestrel
And good thing it is not the letter of the law.
But, uh, tueman?
I am a Content Moderator.
On both wikis.
cinder kestrel
On Discord?
agile spindle
yeah
Besides Content Moderators don't have the power to block anyone, even themselves
cinder kestrel
Guess the joke I will make before I make it.
agile spindle
I got nothing
agile spindle
oh you got me good
cinder kestrel
I did not get you goods. I got you answers.
agile spindle
well played
cinder kestrel
We really should move this conversation to another channel, but as soon as we do that, it will be too much effort.
For me, at least.
agile spindle
that would take the fun out of it
cinder kestrel
well played
Well then.
If being on Discord equates playing, I spend a lot more time than I previously thought.
agile spindle
you spend a lot more time what?
cinder kestrel
https://subnautica-belowzero.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:8863
See, wiki keepers, we are completely on-topic. No reason for anybody to call us out for squandering this channel.
good one again
It is sad to know I am only good and not great. But I lack both the time and the desire to be sad.
solid burn
I am a Boy Scout. I should treat burns, not cause them.
agile spindle
guess you have a lot more to learn then
agile spindle
lmao
cinder kestrel
Not so much on other wiki--mostly because that Discord is inactive . . .
agile spindle
I do intend for my colorful vocabulary to amuse others
cinder kestrel
Question: do I play the jokes, or do the jokes play me?
agile spindle
You play the jokes
heady gulch
what is a joke
agile spindle
Hey xeno did you answer the poll?
crude stream
bonjour
stuck pawn
i thought it was established that jokes were banned
crude stream
im french it's no joke
vivid furnace
if i get information on specific biomes and edit them on their specific pages will the admins edit the biomes page since i don't have access to it?
covert elbow
maybe not sure
wheat plaza
Perhaps
vivid furnace
is the biome ID what it displays with F1
summer kindle
Yes
velvet condor
Wait, in the wiki it says in experimental f3 disables clouds, will that mean that we cant use console commands, I was able to use them in experimental before in bz
agile spindle
wha?
frail dragon
@velvet condor not sure what youâre asking but you can use console commands no matter what
frail dragon
Why are you asking in wiki-discussion?
velvet condor
It's in the wiki
frail dragon
Someone sent a message then I asked them why they asked it here
Then they deleted their message
velvet condor
Ok
agile spindle
@late island I guess merging Twisty Bridges has the superior vote ÂŻ_(ă)_/ÂŻ
summer kindle
I disagree with it and also disagree with merging the cache and arch pages
agile spindle
Well since Democracy seems to work for making decisions lets make another strawpoll
summer kindle
Debatable
paper flare
