thats the one bip tried
#📚wiki-discussion
agile spindle
@summer kindle
#E0FFFF
tardy turtle
so close to white
agile spindle
yea im open to feedback on it
summer kindle
aren't socially impaired and extroverted kinda mutually exclusive
maybe she's socially impaired because she's too extroverted 
agile spindle
im good with the current color
frail dragon
is socially impaired just an excuse for less voice lines
agile spindle
fewer
summer kindle
@tardy turtle https://gyazo.com/7971106653c40a02b488a2a396a46a33
is there any reason this is using a tabber
tardy turtle
prepared for more screenshots which I plan on uploading
summer kindle
Surprised we didn't already have screenshots of the Neptune
tardy turtle
so this page seems to have all byt one, available blueprints https://subnautica.wikia.com/wiki/Blueprints
it so happens that i need the icon of that one. the neptune
does anyone know where can I find or how is this icon image named?
tardy turtle
right... sorry ma brain is getting mushy 😩
tardy turtle
Finally! I found the ending sequence sound file 😁
agile spindle
actual legend
tardy turtle
ikr!
there are 2 in fact
one says boosters
the other ion thrusters
and the script says ion boosters
vital flume
Wat
tardy turtle
i bet they had a huge fight over which one to use xD
ending_cin_sfx_11.wav and ending_cin_sfx_12.wav
are nearly identical
clicking interior in the gallery moves me up to the #interior part of the whole page https://subnautica.wikia.com/wiki/Quarantine_Enforcement_Platform
thorn notch
So were we
But I figured since posting there isn't allowed I'd just bring it up that someone posted there
summer kindle
What?
agile spindle
Can we make a thing where people can't post comments until they've gone on a certain page?
cinder kestrel
I do think the system is like that.
They can either comment on every page, or no page.
cinder kestrel
Yes.
cinder kestrel
Rather, we can limit both page edits and comments together to accounts only.
agile spindle
page edits are fine, most people seem to not bother
summer kindle
That’s because they can’t
agile spindle
even on SN Though
summer kindle
anonymous edits might be blocked on that wiki
agile spindle
well whatever
summer kindle
I don’t remember
agile spindle
anonymous comments are annoying because I can't see the full comment from the wikiactivity page
so I have to check each one and literally no one reads the guidelines page
half the comments are worthless cause they're just nonsense or what they wish was in the game or even a question they could literally answer by reading the damn page
summer kindle
Yeah we’ve got anonymous comments and edits off on the Subnautica Wiki
agile spindle
can we do the same on BZ?
agile spindle
👌
cinder kestrel
https://subnautica-belowzero.wikia.com/wiki/Special:WikiActivity draws from the 50 (?) latest edits.
https://subnautica-belowzero.wikia.com/wiki/Special:RecentChanges reveals that 49 of those are comment deletions.
agile spindle
oh whoops lol
tardy turtle
I'd rather edit then comment but I'm glad I can do both 🤘
summer kindle
it's correct
people find Spadefish eggs and assume they're Reefback eggs without checking
tardy turtle
you mean the last edit? yes, I concur. In my game, which is the latest version I did hatch a spadlefish from such an egg
I did so with only one tho
I have this crazy theory in my head that spadlefish are tiny reefbacks tho 😉
cos they do look a little alike, shape wise
summer kindle
Aside from the fact that they don't
tardy turtle
subjectivity is a thing you know
summer kindle
Not in this case
tardy turtle
😂
cinder kestrel
https://subnautica.wikia.com/wiki/Eggs?diff=next&oldid=305644
I thought they were in . . . ?
summer kindle
Reefback eggs are not
cinder kestrel
Thank you for clicking the link.
(Shuttlebug eggs still not implemented either. Why would someone add wrong info here?)
summer kindle
No problem
cinder kestrel
Well, if shuttlebug eggs are also unimplemented, then I wish them a nice day.
thorn notch
Wow Spadefish eggs are a thing?
And they use the Reefback model?
cinder kestrel
The more you know.
thorn notch
Interesting. Never delved too deeply into hatching fauna
thorn notch
Kind of what I was thinking, since no other edible fish has an egg and reproduce that way
Also Alien Containment*
Aquariums are cosmetic
summer kindle
They weren't meant to be a fish you could pick up
which is why eggs for them exist
tardy turtle
shame not any small "fish" is pickable
summer kindle
I don't understand that sentence but I'll trust you on that
tardy turtle
https://subnautica.wikia.com/wiki/Mesmer
what's the point of this newly added part?
summer kindle
nothing
limpid pasture
I still thing those are directly based of cuttlefish
tardy turtle
cos 1st i dont get it, what the author meant and 2nd you can escape mesmer unscathed normally, without any vehicle close
thorn notch
I still thing those are directly based of cuttlefish
The ones that rapidly change colour as they swim?
limpid pasture
Eh sort of
tardy turtle
Here
https://subnautica.wikia.com/wiki/Paul_Torgal
Info box says: Unnamed children
but the game log says Accompanied by his only child, Bart Torgal (19), heir to the Torgal Corporation
Is there something i don't know or is this a mistake in the infobox?
limpid pasture
Cuttlefish flash colours ( black stripes moving across white skin) to mesmerise crabs before a secondary mouth like an xenomorphs tongue shoots out to grab the crab
fierce imp
bart's log says "the only legitimate child" so i guess its an inconsistency
fierce imp
blame tom
agile spindle
TOM!!!
tardy turtle
you mean tomless?
agile spindle
no tom
summer kindle
That's not an inconsistency
why would the fact that he has illegitimate children be public
maybe he paid people to keep quiet and not ruin his image
tardy turtle
the inconsistency is in the fact that it is said out loud and the other time it's skipped
which begs the question, is he the only child or the only child people should know about
what are the facts
the only one or the only legitimate one
summer kindle
Most likely the only legitimate one
tardy turtle
the fact that you say most likely means there is inconsistency
cos you cannot say with certainty
the term only child is definite, means there are no siblings, none at all
not that there might be some lurking in the shadows
summer kindle
You can also say that Bart is referred to as his only child because he has nothing to do with any of his illegitimate children.
tardy turtle
oh which the world should not know about
you might
exactly, it is ambiguous
depending on who reads it and how he wants to interpret it
tardy turtle
what was the problem with a ref?
if it's the consistency that is in question it can be removed, but the whole ref?
@summer kindle
summer kindle
the ref can go there sure
summer kindle
yes
tardy turtle
to be crystal clear i wanted to link to cyclops from Paul's log transcript
summer kindle
Well, do not.
tardy turtle
👌
I assume there is no page for Phasegate due to 9. Don't create pages on subjects we know next to nothing about.
agile spindle
summer kindle
He means the kind that the Aurora was making
agile spindle
oh
that rule is badly worded
it would apply to a lot of the BZ-exclusive articles we have
cinder kestrel
About the legitimate-vs-only child of Paul thing: weren't both of the claims made in the Degasi manifestos for the Aurora's mission?
summer kindle
yes
tardy turtle
i mean the phasegate that for example ending sequence mentions
cos they clearly cant be the same thing, lore wise
cinder kestrel
why would the fact that he has illegitimate children be public
This explanation for the discrepancy is interesting, but both manifests are equally private.
summer kindle
Maybe the discovery of precursor tech is what allowed for the development of the miniaturised phasegate
agile spindle
oooh i like that theory
tardy turtle
yeah that is what i hope will happen
but prior to that happening they were already existing
cinder kestrel
Wait, Ryley travels though a phasegate to return home?
tardy turtle
and they are large enough to let a behemoth such as the Aurora thru
cinder kestrel
Couple hundred meters wide.
tardy turtle
thus there are 2 kinds: interstellar (human tech) already in SN and personal (possibly alien tech hybrid) in SB
which would be weird cos ususally tech goes upscale
cinder kestrel
We know this—how?
summer kindle
the mini one does use ion cubes in the recipe
fluid lagoon
cinder kestrel
It's my first time hearing that idea.
tardy turtle
a phasegate is mentioned for example by the neptune Confirm destination coordinates: nearest interstellar phasegate.
but on SB you called those tiny portals phasegates too
summer kindle
that's what they are called in the video
fluid lagoon
what the heck is an SB
summer kindle
weird alternative to BZ
tardy turtle
subzero
summer kindle
Why would that not be SZ
summer kindle
everyone else says BZ
conform
tardy turtle
will try
your utter lack of emotes makes it hard to know when you joke around here
well maybe you never do
dunno
agile spindle
conform
tardy turtle
anyway
like I said
on phasegates
those were already in the lore prior to BZ
but those were huge interstellar gates
unlike those personal level ones we see in BZ
which look like alien tech hybrids
then there are Alien Arches
which act similarly
agile spindle
yea bippity's theory works
they didn't have the tech to make it smaller till ryley brought home precursor blueprints
tardy turtle
imho it is weird cos it feels like such a thing would be engineered from small to huge
not the other way around
mainly due to energy
i hope it's exaplained nearly
summer kindle
maybe the amount of technology needed to actually make it work is just so massive that it's hard to miniaturise
agile spindle
same reason tvs started big and made smaller later
tardy turtle
for our scale it's huge and it collided single particles
imagine a collider to collide bigger stuff with the same energy
same here
the bigger the phasegate the more energy it would need, so it would make sense to upscale with ion cube as power source for example
and even alien arches were larger
than this tiny phasegate in BZ
summer kindle
Precursors themselves were big though
tardy turtle
on the 1st glance it makes sense but when I dice it it should be the other way around 🤔
summer kindle
so they needed big teleporters
tardy turtle
true that, u got a point
summer kindle
Precursors were like, 8-10 feet tall so a teleporter that size makes sense
tardy turtle
I just hope that there is an explantion and a coherent one at that
summer kindle
it already makes sense
some things start off bigger and are made smaller and more efficient over time
look at basically all old computers
tardy turtle
ok but we are talking mass transportation
the higher the mass the more energy it needs
fluid lagoon
how do you people manage to spend over 20 minutes on phasegate talk
this isn't even really on-topic anymore
summer kindle
That doesn't just make it unfeasible Tyrael
tardy turtle
so if you are able to phase in and out a spaceship of the size of a small planet like the aurora you sure as hell are able to transport one person
agile spindle
who cares that it takes a while it's interesting
summer kindle
nobody said the size of the gate was the limitation
the gate can be whatever size I imagine
fluid lagoon
somebody make this about the wiki before i nag at u all
agile spindle
you seem to be very anti-discussion
summer kindle
it's just all the accompanying technology that needs to go along with the gate that would make it unfeasible to build from a simple habitat builder
tardy turtle
perhaps there could be a page for phasegates in SN
fluid lagoon
i'm not anti-discussion
tardy turtle
it is a very mysterious peace of tech and there is little info about it
summer kindle
with the discovery of ion tech the system could be massively miniaturised and allowed for it to become cheap enough to actually be built from a habitat builder
it's not that they couldn't make the gate itself small, it's that it still needs all the other stuff that makes the gate work
tardy turtle
here is my theory in how this would stick
fluid lagoon
agile spindle
what?
tardy turtle
a huge gate, like interstellar grade needs an abysmal energy to operate so you hook it up to a star or some other space "battery"
but transporting a person needs a lot of energy too but due to how energy scales down it's hard to get enough for one person. well used to be hard till Ryley came back with ion cubes
it barely sticks but kinda sticks
summer kindle
I think there were already 2 reasons that made perfect sense but ok
tardy turtle
anyway. phasegate page on SN wiki? yes? no? maybe? whatever?
tardy turtle
do you guys make votings or something or... ? How does deciding works?
summer kindle
someone says no or yes and we argue or don't argue with them
agile spindle
whats your opinion on it tyrael
tardy turtle
well im torn a little.
it would be weird to have no page about on a wiki that predates the other one (BZ) about tech that really was already there in the 1st one
We do know little directly but there are certrain things hidden like:
they have to be huge, gargantuan space "objects" large enough to fit the aurora
we know there is more than one cos neptune AI says nearest not a phasegate
agile spindle
the one on the BZ wiki is about the phasegate that we can build
tardy turtle
due to how consistent devs are in portraying such portals we can image, that one would look similarly, i.e a frame with some field in it
agile spindle
thats more of a guess imo
tardy turtle
yeah, but i mean as overall idea not exact plan
and i aslo mean it wouldnt be some outlandish thing like a pocket held black hole
summer kindle
Yeah the existence of the Phasegate page on BZ doesn't mean we need one on SN
they're talking about different things
tardy turtle
chronologically wise they were already there in SN
summer kindle
That means nothing
tardy turtle
tho as interstellar travel means
agile spindle
the big ones were there but they're barely mentioned, have no effect on gameplay, and nobody would really look for them on the wiki
tardy turtle
i did 😁
agile spindle
nobody normal. lol
tardy turtle
oh... 😭
you're a meanie, aren't you?
also they are the only reasonable explanation we have for how human's as a species could have become space faring
after all Aurora came to this part of space primarly to construct a phasegate
agile spindle
now you're theorizing
tardy turtle
cos the main reason Ryley went thru this wet hell was a phasegate
this is deduction
facts based
agile spindle
it's just a theory
summer kindle
a game theory
fluid lagoon
rare gull
y is this channel created
summer kindle
I don't know
rare gull
isnt their a fandom
fluid lagoon
wh
tardy turtle
are humans not space faring?
summer kindle
Actually I do know
agile spindle
so that we dont get interrupted by people asking dumb questions
tardy turtle
in SN ofc
fluid lagoon
this channel is discussion about said fandom/wiki
summer kindle
This channel was created because we were all arguing about wiki stuff in #subnautica-chat so Obraxis put us here instead
the epic backstory
rare gull
oh eks dee
agile spindle
We don't know enough about the phasegate
wet sand
i feel wiki-chat would be a more accurate name for this channel
agile spindle
just that it's a big portal and it's why the aurora came here
tardy turtle
you asked about my take on it, so that's it
rare gull
sphagett
summer kindle
yes
fluid lagoon
if you try hard enough you can probably infer enough information for a page
summer kindle
there's enough information for a page I just never really made one
tardy turtle
we also know how long it would take to construct a huge phase gate:
Mission: Ariadne Arm Phasegate Installation, 3 year operation time
and with how many people
and how much space the parts take
0.25 cubic kilometers storage for phasegate apparatus
we also know they wanted to power it with bioreactors
The Aurora was carrying everything needed to build the phasegate: mobile vehicle bays, bioreactors, propulsion cannons...
tardy turtle
where's that mentioned?
agile spindle
i dont understand how you'd use a mobile vehicle bay to build a phasegate
near egret
1: why would they mention everything they had? It would litteraly take an huge list to mention everything they had for the phase gate
2: you can find thermal generator thingies as fragment, which are from the aurora, same for the nuclear
3: solar panels are just a general great energy way
tardy turtle
he mentions only some materials
so maybe they wanted to build smaller vehicles with those and build the gate with them?
summer kindle
I very much doubt they were planning to use bioreactors to power the phasegate
tardy turtle
same but well... it's there
near egret
I do quess mobile vehicle bays would be used for the secundary mission
tardy turtle
interstellar kinda implies outer space
summer kindle
Seamoths and Prawn Suits can be used in space
They’d be using prawns for construction of the gate
Seamoths for just flying around looking at it I guess
agile spindle
thats true, seamoths cant fly on a planet either
tardy turtle
or faster means of transport like taking a car to a construction site
taking a seamoth to a prawn construction site
near egret
Wait, the sea moth and cyclops are space ships?
summer kindle
Cyclops is not a space ship
summer kindle
Thrusters
near egret
Seems legit
agile spindle
same way a prawn move around
tardy turtle
it's propulsion system isnt like the cyclops'
it sounds like a pulse engine
not screw based thrust
summer kindle
It does have a propellor. But presumably that’s because we built it for water. If we were making it for space travel we’d just select the thruster version
tardy turtle
but cyclops is clearly called a submarine
summer kindle
What
near egret
But why call a space vehicle sea moth
tardy turtle
Enough for a damn FLEET of Cyclops submarines. - Paul Torgal
summer kindle
Because it was originally built as a submarine and a guy later built a modified space version
@tardy turtle yeah but why are you even bringing this up
near egret
I feel like that would be Elon musk
agile spindle
is that canon bip
summer kindle
Yes
agile spindle
do you have a source?
summer kindle
Data bank entry titled Alterra Citizen Testimonials
tardy turtle
seamoth and prawn - space and water vehicles both for phasegate mission and degasi search and rescue
cyclops - only water, only search and rescue of the degasi crew
near egret
I also like how they still try to search for the degasi after what? 5/8 years?
summer kindle
10
agile spindle
they were alive pretty long
summer kindle
Probably
near egret
I do know more than a few months
tardy turtle
id try too if a things like those in the game had existed
near egret
I read it somewhere
fluid lagoon
at least alterra can say that their secondary mission was 1/3 of a success
near egret
Wait
tardy turtle
yaaay for them 😂
fluid lagoon
reasons
near egret
Is it because of bz
?
agile spindle
2 people died on 4546b ryley was rescued
summer kindle
Well everyone else who landed in Lifepods also died on 4546B
fluid lagoon
they're just at the disco, bippity
summer kindle
Why was I not invited
thorn notch
Legit though, I find it weird there's no traces of humans at all
At all
Not even bones
summer kindle
They got ate
thorn notch
Just structures and PDAs
near egret
I like how everyone who was awake got killed by warper without problem, but the guy who was asleep for 2 hours just went out fine
agile spindle
decomposition
summer kindle
He wasn’t a target then
near egret
But
thorn notch
If eaten whole I'd understand, but even then not all lifepods are in areas that lack a large lifeform
near egret
There where still humans in the aurora right?
summer kindle
He hadn’t touched the water, so he wasn’t infected
near egret
How did not even 1 weeny bone survive
thorn notch
Or blood
near egret
Yea
summer kindle
Around that
tardy turtle
@thorn notch and bags, beds, caps, habitats... no human remains tho
near egret
That's still a kind of big number for a space ship
summer kindle
Not for a space ship that’s about 1300 metres long
thorn notch
Even Bart who I assume died peacefully is nowhere to be seen. Not even a skeleton
summer kindle
And a couple hundred wide
near egret
Bart I would get
summer kindle
Cave Crawlers eat bones
near egret
Sort od
tardy turtle
i imagine the no human remains was so done so that the game could get a lower ESRB score or something
summer kindle
It was
near egret
But the aurora, the cave crawlers are only in the entrence part
fluid lagoon
same reason why all the fish blood is yellow
summer kindle
The humans were all in the Aurora’s cinema
fluid lagoon
i want to know how bleeders got into the aurora
near egret
Makes sense....
summer kindle
Through some little holes anywhere
thorn notch
Titanic
fluid lagoon
titan- egg
kindred kernel
XD
near egret
BTW may I also add, that when you get contacted by Alterra Hq, he is just talking to you like it's nothing that a big ship crashed and shit xD
summer kindle
Yes
near egret
Okay I do get it a litke
summer kindle
My least favourite dialogue in the game
agile spindle
@tardy turtle pretty sure we're good with making the phasegate page, if you wanna do that
near egret
But why is a sandwich more important than life's and idk how much money worth of parts of a ship
tardy turtle
@agile spindle doing it now 🤘 thx!
summer kindle
I don’t like that line because it just doesn’t make any sense
near egret
True
near egret
It's like if you're a guy on a phone who prevents suicides but won't give a thing about the suicidal people
paper flare
...no
tardy turtle
do we agree on knowing that they float in space?
near egret
The sandwich?
tardy turtle
phasegates
summer kindle
No the sandwich
near egret
Yea
paper flare
can we not bring up suicide
agile spindle
I'd say put it down but make it clear that it's uncertain
summer kindle
We need a page on the sandwich
paper flare
ham and cheese
summer kindle
Discussing what exactly “the regular” is and and if Becky knows
near egret
Sorry if the suicide thing was kind of harming for some, it was the first thing I came up with
paper flare
question is where did they buy the sandwich
agile spindle
THE REGULAR, BECKY
near egret
It needs a whole book
agile spindle
JUST TELL HIM THE REGULAR
paper flare
just tell her the regular
near egret
:what's the regular? '
agile spindle
whats the regular?
fluid lagoon
please
near egret
But may we please get a page on the sandwich?
paper flare
I go up tell her the regular, and she's like, what's the regular?
near egret
It's litteraly my birthday, it would be the best present xD
May I also add
Thst thanks to ryley (if I write that right) the universe is bamboozled
paper flare
what
near egret
(because thanks to him the kharaa could spread)
paper flare
not unless other people landed on the planet
near egret
(because now random ships can enter 4546b and just leave with the vires)
paper flare
and got infected then left
near egret
His hair is indeed flawless
tardy turtle
there is more info than i thought! construction time took 18 - 36 months for example
near egret
But, wouldn't ryley just tell people that there is an virus and an cure? XD
near egret
He says oof sometimes
near egret
Ssht
paper flare
and it's not speaking
near egret
Oof is bettwr
paper flare
what
paper flare
...I just said he doesn't talk
summer kindle
He’s conserving his energy
near egret
I'm a raccoon, do you know how many brain cells we have?
paper flare
can we move this to #subnautica-chat
summer kindle
At least 6
near egret
Oui oui
agile spindle
yes get out of our previously productive chat
summer kindle
Since before you showed up
paper flare
thanks bip
thorn notch
I've seen stuff get done on the site because of this chat, so it serves a purpose
near egret
One weenie question did the precursors get extinct? (except for the ones stored in data hubs)
paper flare
no
agile spindle
paper flare
as shown in below zero
summer kindle
That one was also stored
near egret
Yea
tardy turtle
so we know there are 100s of phasegates hundreds of consecutive phasegate jumps through nine different trans-gov authorities
at least 100s
paper flare
...okay
paper flare
what do you mean by that
agile spindle
so he doesn't assume anything that isnt necessarily true
tardy turtle
@agile spindle Any permanent installation which enables warping of spacefaring vessels between solar systems can we now say with certainty that they do float in space?
tardy turtle
easier to read from here : https://subnautica.wikia.com/wiki/Data_Downloads#The_Charter
but that basically the whole context
agile spindle
yea that convinces me
tardy turtle
great cos i had more ammo at the ready 😛
agile spindle
@tardy turtle hows that page coming along?
tardy turtle
cautiously, i have to navigate thru the facts and not let the imagination or my too far going deduction distort things
but generally ok
im not sure what sections to mane
make
i can save what i have so you can read it
agile spindle
@summer kindle Tyrael and I are having an arguing over whether he's allowed to assume that phasegates are the only existing form of teleportation in the SN universe
it's been 45 mins and neither of us is backing down so you get to settle it
idk if @tardy turtle wants to link his quotes in here
agile spindle
thats what I'm saying, we have no proof that there's no other form
summer kindle
Well I agree with you on that then.
agile spindle
@tardy turtle
tardy turtle
you have no proof on there being other such ways tho
summer kindle
You have no proof of there being no other ways
agile spindle
we're not assuming that there are though
summer kindle
It goes both ways, Tyrael
tardy turtle
and like i said everthing in the overwolrd revolves around those gates
they make laws based on them
agile spindle
so write "main form of unconventional travel"
summer kindle
Why does the fact that they are very important and a lot of money goes into them prove that no other form of them could exist
tardy turtle
they do everything to build more of them
agile spindle
tyrael come on
summer kindle
It’s not even necessary to mention, just leave that out.
tardy turtle
when the need is dire any option is an option:
When the hostilities of the Expansion ceased, the tactical value of the hard-to-reach colony systems on the edge of the China Territories plummeted. Recouping from the war, the central government left them to starve. The systems in question declared independence, claiming their infrastructure as their own, and their intent to become self-sufficient.
agile spindle
you showed me that one and it's even weaker than your other argument
tardy turtle
this is one of those things which is not handed on the silver platter but is still true
agile spindle
it doesnt have to be
tardy turtle
it's a very cut throat economy there and their only way to stay on top of each other are those gates
summer kindle
I don’t get what the point of this is
tardy turtle
which is why they modded prawn to mk III for the construction of a single gate
if there were other such means someone would have taken is in order to cut some corners even if it meant risks
especially the rich ones like alterra
agile spindle
what if the phasegate is the only way that worked for what they wanted to do
tardy turtle
what do you mean?
agile spindle
wormholes tyrael
summer kindle
What if phasegate isn’t one thing and is a blanket term for any teleportation device
summer kindle
I know
tardy turtle
phasegate is defined pretty strictly for a game
Trans-System Phasegate - Any permanent installation which enables warping of spacefaring vessels between solar systems.
agile spindle
yea but whether they are the only form of teleportation of not isnt
summer kindle
How is “any permanent installation that enables warping of spacefaring vessels” strict
agile spindle
just cause it's your headcanon doesn't mean you can put it on the wiki
summer kindle
Literally says “any permanent installation”
tardy turtle
it is the only one mentioned and till you prove there is more it is the only one
innocent until proven guilty
otherwise we might assume there is, i dunno, anything in this universe
agile spindle
would you accept "only known form of unconventional travel"
tardy turtle
do write that known about anything that you know there is not more of?
summer kindle
Honestly the quote
Trans-System Phasegate - Any permanent installation which enables warping of spacefaring vessels between solar systems.
Does way more to make it sound like phasegate is a blanket term than what you are trying to say, Tyrael.
tardy turtle
like the only KNOWN forms of Ti are the 3 we have?
or 4 if you incluse scanning doubles
agile spindle
Ti as in real titanium right?
tardy turtle
Ti as in, in the game
summer kindle
Why is this relevant
agile spindle
what are forms of titanium in SN
tardy turtle
proving a point
patent plinth
Sandstone
tardy turtle
but you dont state known each time
agile spindle
lore is only stuff they tell us
tardy turtle
it's obvious those are the only KNOWN (insert whatever)
exactly and it is the only one that's been told to us
agile spindle
except titanium we KNOW there aren't more sources
with phasegates we only KNOW what they tell us
summer kindle
This is dumb
gray harness
Isnt everything
tardy turtle
if the phasegates weren't the only way to fast travel it would have been hinted somewhere somehow
agile spindle
why
tardy turtle
to make the world richer? cos someone had an idea? cos they clearly like making stories?
cos they are good at it?
summer kindle
Debatable
agile spindle
so because they like writing stories if they dont mention something it means it doesnt exist?
tardy turtle
no it's not said word for word
gray harness
I got alot of stories written, kind of lol
tardy turtle
but assuming otherwise is grasping straws
agile spindle
you ARE assuming otherwise
summer kindle
By phasegate are you referring to a singular object or any permanent installation which enables warping of spacefaring vessels between solar systems
agile spindle
you're assuming something not directly told to us, while I'm advocating that you leave out information we can't prove
tardy turtle
the proof is all around
agile spindle
it's not definitive
summer kindle
Is it really this important to mention
agile spindle
Tyrael I'm fine with "main form" or "only known form" but not "only form"
summer kindle
I just think it makes it sound like phasegate is a single thing when the data makes it sound like a blanket term
tardy turtle
well i have an unfinished article part of which i showed to tueman, which i now start regretting, and basically i wanna put there what is true, more far fetched part is not there yet. I am trying to proove this is true.
agile spindle
if you didnt show it to me i wouldve probably noticed when you published it anyway
can we just end this and you write something different?
summer kindle
How long have you been writing this page for
tardy turtle
just as it is true that 4546B's atmosphere is O2/N2 only.
hours with no progress in the last... well... hours.
agile spindle
at least 2.5 hrs bip LOL
tardy turtle
cos i am trying to proove something which i shouldnt even have too
gray harness
Ahh
agile spindle
Tyrael if you cant prove it that should be a sign that maybe it's not a fair assumption
gray harness
Well I mean, did you make the game and whatnot?
tardy turtle
instead of me trying to proove that it is the only way of such travel that is their technology, you proove that it isnt
gray harness
Because you can probably just give your opinions but if you werent there in the development then you cant really do that
agile spindle
I'm not trying to prove that it's not the only form
I'm trying to convince you that you can't assume it is the only form
gray harness
Anythings possible
tardy turtle
i can, it is very, very reasonable
tardy turtle
vice versa
agile spindle
you're the only one on your side
gray harness
I think its fine you got your opinions but if you are arguing about this to someone that actually took part in the game, its not a good idea
If any of this even makes any sense
Its not a good idea to keep thinking its the ONLY form
I do get what you saying though dont get me wrong
summer kindle
I get it
tardy turtle
😩 tell me. if you hear a duck, smell a duck and find a duck feather do you assume it's a stork and a duck?
summer kindle
But it’s just like... why?
tardy turtle
or do you assume it's a duck?
agile spindle
i assume it's a duck
gray harness
^
tardy turtle
exactly
agile spindle
doesnt mean it absolutely HAS to be a duck
gray harness
Yeah, anythings possible here
tardy turtle
you know, there is this principle which discards statistically highly unlikely outcomes
gray harness
But honestly, I feel like anything is actually possible, so you could be wrong, and arent you arguing about a game?
agile spindle
so you're calling it "high unlikely" that there's another form of teleportation
summer kindle
We need MatPat in here stat
agile spindle
which means you agree that it's not 100% sure that it's the only form
stuck pawn
MatPat's dealing with Toby Fox lol
gray harness
You guys got this
agile spindle
at this point lets get tom in here to agree with one of us
tardy turtle
anything else besides phasegates being what they is so highly unlikely due them not even being hinted at even in the most extreme of circumstanced describes that it borders impossibility and should be disregarded
wet sand
matpat is dealing with basically the entire internet rn
tardy turtle
tom the writer?
agile spindle
yea
tardy turtle
sure
stuck pawn
why
agile spindle
I'm not being serious lol
gray harness
Hahaha
summer kindle
Tom wouldn’t say anything anyway
agile spindle
not worth his time
gray harness
So is this all about the game, or real life?
summer kindle
He wouldn’t even confirm it was a Reaper that attacked the Degasi base even when the data bank entry had Reaper sounds
agile spindle
I'm sure he'd be ecstatic to hear we're arguing for hours over his story though
stuck pawn
Tom doesn't know the story he's written 🤔
tardy turtle
i bet he never considered alternatives being there in parallel as in human tech
wet sand
for every plothole take a shot
gray harness
He mightve
tardy turtle
something different - there
gray harness
That would be best probably
agile spindle
lol okay
gray harness
Write about the Aurora if thats how you spell it
tardy turtle
did you know that that probablity of any of you phasing thru a solid wall is non 0?
summer kindle
Now this is epic
tardy turtle
do you consider it as probable?
agile spindle
okay you're comparing something testable to something we read about
and it's just not the same thing
even if you don't want to believe it, what you're arguing for is a theory, and while you have good evidence it just doesn't convince us
tardy turtle
it is fantasy and hope for something more to be there that drives you
not cold analysis of facts as they are given
in those lore pieces
like I said find anything hinting and some other such tech
i couldnt
agile spindle
Tyrael you're missing my point
I'm NOT trying to prove anything else exists
I am, for the fifth time, telling you that you're making an assumption
tardy turtle
you are trying to introduce an assumption that there might be
tardy turtle
you dont like my only
tardy turtle
"only non-conventional"
tardy turtle
but only known would be for someone who hopes there is more, but cant proove it
tardy turtle
even worse
summer kindle
Can I retroactively say no to the phasegate page
summer kindle
Damn
tardy turtle
an only form of
agile spindle
...no it's not
tardy turtle
thus it is the only
tardy turtle
yeah you will edit it out. i know.
tardy turtle
frankly you took away the fun of doing this piece...
i was kinda glad to add something from original from myself.
agile spindle
you refuse to change your mind on whether something is 100% true
it's not even an important part of the page
tardy turtle
why so hellbent then?
agile spindle
cause it's easier not to include it
than to add something because you vehemently believe it to be true
summer kindle
Tueman destroyed by facts and logic
agile spindle
whats more likely
you are right
and everyone else is wrong
or you are possibly wrong
stuck pawn
the former seems likely
agile spindle
shut up thunder
stuck pawn
you're not in charge of me
summer kindle
Thunder I’m disowning you
agile spindle
well actually
stuck pawn
Please papa bip
tardy turtle
me being right.
you have zero facts pointing that there even might be something else
tardy turtle
i showeded a lot of circumstances that point to one logical conclusion. this is the only way humans travel ultra fast.
stuck pawn
what's the argument even about
im curious
agile spindle
doesnt matter
stuck pawn
obviously it does seeing how it's been going on for a while
agile spindle
lol 2 hrs to be precise
tardy turtle
phasegates being the only way humans can travel "unconventionally" meaning very very fast@stuck pawn
agile spindle
meaning teleportation
stuck pawn
is that it
agile spindle
yep
stuck pawn
who says whatever year subnautica takes place in doesn't have teleportation
or am i misunderstanding this
summer kindle
Yes
agile spindle
he says phasegates are definitely the only form of teleportation, I say they aren't definitely
tardy turtle
travel fast is not exactly teleportation but fine
tardy turtle
so you dont want me to do phasegates?
agile spindle
okay then dont do phasegates
or do it anyway but know that I'll look for errors on the page
late island
What's been going on in here?
tardy turtle
i honestly dunno what to say...
agile spindle
wiki business move along
fluid lagoon
clash of the titans
tardy turtle
and not in a good way
stuck pawn
2 hours of wiki business
gray harness
So its not just me thats confused as hell
summer kindle
Wiki business, go back to your drinks.
late island
I'm wiki business.
tardy turtle
you were able to obliterate any eagerness i had in me
gray harness
Yeah true
agile spindle
i think he means me
gray harness
Probably
tardy turtle
with your lack of understanding statistics and practical logic
agile spindle
if you say so
tardy turtle
i do
gray harness
Obviously
tardy turtle
@agile spindle I shared with you quite a bit of work, privately! Not only was there zero good word but you dragged it out to the public. I thought I was dealing with a fellow fan... and if i wanted to share it publically Id have done so. Not very nice. Your whole attitude of "maybe there is some fringe remote, possibility that there is something at the back of the devs' heads which they clearly didnt deem worthy of even mentioning anywhere" and the only example you conjured up, out of thin air as the basis for extending the range of possible fast travel means to include those statistically insignificant and logically inexistent cases is hopeful at best.
Such a way of thinking is an equivalent of taking an umbrella in case of rain on a hot, sunny, summer day after watching a favorable forecast which too has a slim chance of being untrue.
I'm a rather specific person, very much so at times where it's due. Being overly specific isn't good though. Due to this fact pages don't start with "In Subnautica universe". It is implied, adding "known" to make it "only known" makes it silly as it is obvious on this wiki no one will write about the unknown ways of such travel and fantasize. Besides, it really is the only way seeing how the overworld of SN is portrayed. If there were any other, better, faster, cheaper means to get to Aurora which was crashing as it was communicating with the HQ they would have either employed them in the 1st place or would have used them to salvage their trillions of credits in investment and avoided the PR nightmare of not rescuing 150 people of Aurora crew. Same goes for galaxy wide expansion and trying to outflank the competition in this cold war over teritory and resources by any mean neccesairy. If there is some super secret ace up your sleeve tech this is the time to use it, outrun and outsmart your competition and make yourself the mogul monopolist.
we can disagree on subjective things like which color is better suited for a page, anyone's opinion is valid. This here is not a matter of opinions but fact analysis and reasoning. Perhaps you should add a note that there might be a 3rd or 4th or 7th or whateverth moon orbiting the planet but we dont see it cos it's always behind on the other side of the planet or on some farther orbit or simply very tiny? No one in their right mind assumes some fantasy they come up with as probable and evaluate adding it to the pool. No, you see 2 moons, it means there are 2 moons until proven otherwise by fact, like devs source or game files or some other reliable source. You see phasegate as the only way they can travel so fast you say IT IS the only way.
agile spindle
Okay
What do you want me to do
tho i see your point, it wasnt fair for me to drag it into the public
sorry about that
cinder kestrel
https://subnautica.wikia.com/wiki/Alterra_Corporation#Known_Members
We forgot Becky from the sandwich run. Oh, well.
There's also a Huggins and a Wilson, not sure if they are just nicknames of already known people, though.
near egret
(sorry if you dont want me to say anything about it) but aren't phase gates just teleportation gates that bring you to a other solar system?
cursive vigil
Actually
The phasegates are the same shit that the Precursors built on the Sea Emperor's home
thorn notch
Aren't they just called Alien Arches
cinder kestrel
Yes, that is what they are called.
thorn notch
But?
empty coral
summer kindle
Do you ever find that random page seems to direct to a very small amount of pages all the time
It’s choosing from hundreds but always seems to land on a select 5 or so pages more than any other
agile spindle
omg actually tho
sometimes i cycle through random page and it just goes to the same page 3+ times
summer kindle
Yeah it's weird
It's definitely not 100% randomised
I've had it take me to the same 2 pages 5 times in a row
wet sand
no they are candidates
fluid lagoon
literally none of them have been cut yet
stray furnace
?
summer kindle
It means they’re likely to be cut if they’re going to take too long
stray furnace
no D:
summer kindle
You wouldn’t expect all 3 of them to be cut though
summer kindle
You’d expect 1 to be cut so that the others can be added
stray furnace
but i hope they r added later on
fluid lagoon
they're all big
fluid lagoon
all three of them are leviathans
stray furnace
oh true
well
i say
cut the sea dragon
ice dragon
or whatever
at least the other 2 r unique
sullen cove
on the favro someone named vee is on the ice dragon thing
summer kindle
sullen cove
well
fluid lagoon
wow who is that
sullen cove
i mean they are on checilerate
stray furnace
checilerate is the squid looking thing right?
summer kindle
No
sullen cove
im just gonna stop talking so i dont confuse anyone
fluid lagoon
we should tag vee
stray furnace
with a swuid mouth
summer kindle
fluid lagoon
@fluid lagoon
stray furnace
yeah
sullen cove
WHAT
sullen cove
no
stray furnace
what
sullen cove
vee toasted me
stray furnace
not surprised
agile spindle
vee cant legally toast anyone cause his opinion is wrong
sullen cove
thats not what i meant
fluid lagoon
tueman cant legally say that i cant legally toast anyone cause he used "his"
sullen cove
what does jr mod mean
fluid lagoon
i haven't yet formed my chrysalis from which i will emerge as a mod butterfly
sullen cove
uh ok
agile spindle
is vee a girl
summer kindle
fluid lagoon
agile spindle
im confuse
summer kindle
fluid lagoon
agile spindle
fine dont answer
fluid lagoon
wet sand
gray harness
Why did you ping yourself earlier mom cop hahaha
summer kindle
Unhinged
gray harness
Mhmm
gray harness
edgy lagoon
Did you just un-ironically use that emote
agile spindle
go to #off-topic please
late island
That emote's existence seems to be pretty ironic. Not sure if there's a way you can use it un-ironically.
fluid lagoon
gray harness
agile spindle
@fluid lagoon bippity and I decided to avoid giving creatures biome designations till EA is released
just cause it'd be too messy
fluid lagoon
today's checkins says that the titan holefish and symbiotes spawn in the sparse arctic
agile spindle
thanks
agile spindle
dark quartz
I need to go there
stuck pawn
that edit is valid @agile spindle
agile spindle
roger thanks thunder
cursive vigil
so there are list of plantable flora in the wiki but i have a question
does all of the plantable flora (land based) are edible?
agile spindle
@cinder kestrel why are discussions blocked?
summer kindle
I think we wanted to switch discussions off but we found out you can’t switch them off, so SLS decided to take matters into his own hands for some reason.
wheat plaza
300 iq
cinder kestrel
A couple months later, nobody has changed it, so it appears I did make the right choice.
agile spindle
is it so disruptive that it’s worth blocking people for it?
fluid lagoon
no
agile spindle
what’s the difference between comments and discussions anyway?
summer kindle
I don’t understand what discussions is for
agile spindle
sounds like it’s threads that are under a specific page
which sounds honestly kind of useful
delicate holly
It can be, but it can also be annoying when people ask for information that is easily accessible on the page....
agile spindle
ok but that’s a problem with comments as well
discussions helps it be more directed and on topic i think
cinder kestrel
is it so disruptive that it’s worth blocking people for it?
My threat to block people who use Discussions is rather empty, I admit.
agile spindle
i don’t understand why we don’t want them
summer kindle
Hardly anyone actually used discussions afaik
agile spindle
that’s not really reason to ban anyone
summer kindle
No I thought SLS’ deleting any discussions idea was a bad one from the start
Does it say anywhere on the wiki that they’re banned
agile spindle
yes it says they’ll be blocked if anyone makes a discussion
summer kindle
Where
agile spindle
in the link sls posted on the blog post on the wiki
summer kindle
Ok discussions ban no longer exists
agile spindle
👌
cinder kestrel
And you finally discovered.