restive hull
can vive council and devs finally stop trolling and balance the game? more or less the same champs op and bad since 1.0 launch.
Can players from vive council stop being petty and stop protecting thier op mains they play in "competetive"?
you could counter argument and say they balance around highest level of play... then why there were always few same hunters played when i was watching streams? Is it even high level of play if game is kinda dead?
stop trolling guys frfr
old ingot
I can promise you, it is not vive council lol
sudden nexus
yeah ahah
reef night
Have heard they don't really listen to vive council about balance. Since nyx armor nuke still exist I'm inclined to believe it.
timber radish
I feel like most of the balance stuff on “what’s good” seems partially more due to how the kits work and the map
Brall = high mobility (big map)
Ghost = lmb is damage check for spikes (more abyss on map)
Oath = oath
Shiv = infinite dmg technically
timber radish
I feel like most of the balance stuff on “what’s good” seems partially more due ...
I am curious who you think is broken
reef night
I feel like most of the balance stuff on “what’s good” seems partially more due ...
I'd add saros
Saros = map became more open
timber radish
Good point I forget cause we have like 3 saros mains across all servers
frail oar
Good point I forget cause we have like 3 saros mains across all servers
the oath, saros combo has been meta and abused for the last 2 patches now in competitive play
timber radish
Gotta love low interaction poke comps, some of the most fun gameplay to watch
wide bronze
I just wish they would just say fuck it and turbo buff all the underperformers
neat jackal
make hudson meta again
for the funny
(also revert the tetra nerfs please im begging you theorycraft)
shy magnet
I am curious who you think is broken
Nyx
ornate canopy
I agree, tetra nerfs were ridiculous
timber radish
(also revert the tetra nerfs please im begging you theorycraft)
Ngl her being able to make walls and be broken is kinda stupid
I think it was deserved but a bit overboard
wide bronze
Like the games in the gutter rn. Im not coming back personally before they buff/change hudson to an enjoyable state
timber radish
I think her mobility could be fine if they wanna keep her damage a little lower
wide bronze
Why not just buff characters to make them more fun
timber radish
Why not just buff characters to make them more fun
I think I depends cause a character who can shmove crazy do crazy dmg tank an also make walls is a bit muc
wide bronze
Do the dota 2 approach where everyone has their unique flavor of bullshit
timber radish
Like I think it depends cause all broken so none is broken is way more fun but I think there’s a certain level
timber radish
Do the dota 2 approach where everyone has their unique flavor of bullshit
I think it depends cause also for new players everyone being bs makes it harder to get in
ornate canopy
I don't think tetra ever was a mobile or a tanky hunter
timber radish
I don't think tetra ever was a mobile or a tanky hunter
Shield on rmb and her lmb was insane
Her decay on it was 15% when it had the spam restriction
ornate canopy
250shield on a 10sec if you hit
timber radish
Which is nothing you can get like 6 in before you notice it
ornate canopy
Sure is tanky
timber radish
Better than most characters who don’t
shy magnet
eh idk, with 5 movement abilities I feel like Tetras launch movement was pretty decent
ornate canopy
Better than most characters who don’t
Which character?
timber radish
She had range, dash, wall making, had a one shot combo, a dash that blocks projectiles, her synergy with squid was insane (huge mobility) having a spike with a shield ranged and melee and spamming wall s th ns you can get a lot
wide bronze
I think it depends cause also for new players everyone being bs makes it harder ...
They have a hard time getting in as it is already. Might as well do stuff that makes it enjoyable for the oens already in.
Also then there would be an insentive to actually TRY and get in since people are having so much fun
timber radish
Which character?
Myth, ghost, beebo, bishop, Hudson, void, crysta
timber radish
They have a hard time getting in as it is already. Might as well do stuff that m...
I agree but their inability in the past doesn’t mean we should dep the idea of balance completely
We’ve had metas that were pretty good (esp in OB)
wide bronze
I remember when Hudson used to be somewhat tanky 
timber radish
I think we should have a unique flavor of bs absolutely braking everyone uber broken also can be just as exhausting
Usually everything being uber broken is fun but you’ll want to play less games cause getting one shot or one shotting loses its novelty if you try to have multi hour sessions
After playing smite, league during the mythic era (when everything had insane dmg) and even 3 star armory you can get tired pretty fast imo
ornate canopy
Tbh tetra tanky is a first, and tanky because of a 250shielf
wide bronze
Remember when Tetra was marketed as the next "Tank" character
and then Nyx was marketed as a Drain "Tank"
ornate canopy
I think the problem was the one shot. Which was really powerful
timber radish
I mean her whole thing wasn’t to be a fighter in the first place but a controller I think the nerfs were a bit too much and personally her having a shit ton of shields has its own frustration but I think they could nerf the shield passive she got and buff her dmg a bit make her not a one shot character but a sustained fight character
timber radish
I think the problem was the one shot. Which was really powerful
Agreed I think they could give her back a little bit of her pod racing but not o the level it was I think they could pull back on dmg and mobility cause he’s doe feel pretty bad but I don’t think it should be a full revert
Personally I hope Jin keeps some of his buffs but he’s broken rn, like the rotation on lmb feels good but if they reverted everything but kept backstab (with a lower % value cause 50% is beyond stupid) id be happy
ornate canopy
Generally speaking I think nerfing hunter should be very rare and step by step. It's better to buff weak one
timber radish
Generally speaking I think nerfing hunter should be very rare and step by step. ...
I think depends cause here’s been egregious cases where tbh I’d be fine if they gutted them for a little (wukong, shiv s1, huddy start of OB)
Like nerf jail I think is fine for 2 patches but then buff them to be a normal power level imo
Like huddy never recovered, Wu is like mid imo maybe a little lower tier and shiv is still shiv (pain)
ornate canopy
Yes well it's frustrating for the main wukong or Hudson players
timber radish
Tbh thinking about it I don’t see many shivs but I feel like most shivs don’t play anymore
timber radish
Yes well it's frustrating for the main wukong or Hudson players
I agree I think they’ve been in nerf jail too long
wide bronze
Im still mad about the Hudson one. That monster should NEVER have happened.
Before OB hudson was purely single target and low mobility, TO compensate his really high dmg and durability.
The person who changed Hudson wasnt the person who designed him as far as I know.
They saw this Slow, Tanky, high single target character and the new designer went hmmm. How do I make this stupid busted.
They then gave them double dashes and piercing shots.
Hudson was now Fast, Tanky, High aoe dmg character. Didnt matter his ult didnt work and his wires were near useless.
He filled the trifecta of 0 real intentional weaknesses.
It was genuinely so dumb.
I remember crying on my hands and knees. BEGGING them to remove the piercing and the second dash as soon as I played him for 3+ games and realized what a monster he had become
timber radish
Im still mad about the Hudson one. That monster should NEVER have happened.
Bef...
Ithink if he don’t have piercing (maybe keep piercing agaisnt minions) and just added some durability maybe an extra charge on wires or something
I think it’d be cool if someone walks through his woes or he lands it on top of soemoen he gets a shield would be cool
Like if you land it and they move through it that’s 2 shield stacks
I could even see them taking out the piercing and making the wires and ult buff his dmg
(I basically only play Jin so my takes may be shit)
wide bronze
They spent like a whole month with broken hudson for no reason. And the first nerfs were to the things in his kit that were after thoughts.
Then after the thrid nerf to wire cd and slight hp nerfs they finally nerfed the actually op parts.
But they GUTTED his range, dmg, removed second dash, kept all the other nerfs AND nerfed even more stuff about him.
timber radish
Yeah I mean the second dash was beyond stupid
Tbh I know wires is like his best ability but I think they could change it a little I feel like he needs another ability or something
Like it feels like it’s just sit and auto but like he doesn’t have enough to actually set up
shy magnet
Been a lot of suggestions to make RMB part of passive and give him a new RMB, from what I've seen
wide bronze
When it should have never happened in the first place if they just had someone think about the character for more then 10 seconds or listened to the multiple hudson mains begging them to not do it.
Even worse is he had unfinished animations in a NDA test before OB that didnt have these new changes. So this new version of him was completely untested 
timber radish
Been a lot of suggestions to make RMB part of passive and give him a new RMB, fr...
I feel like wires would feel better as his rmb like make it easier to throw
shy magnet
Depends what the other ability is. Wires being on q and lmb modification on rmb is consistent with other characters and imo feels the best
timber radish
I could see his passive be if he doesn’t rotate too fast for a certain amount of time like he will start firing faster and longer distance like kind of like how you have the speed boost in Mario kart if you don’t turn super hard
I think his dash could be cool if it knocked back just a little
So if someone dives he can put down a wire on top of himself and belly bump them into it
Or even if someone is hit by wires near him he gets an attack speed buff
shy magnet
I think his dash could be cool if it knocked back just a little
it does, its just not great at it
wide bronze
few very common suggestions for hudson has been making his Lmb work like rmb with a heat system. And so the weapon needs to ramp up to start dealing dmg (like miniguns in games do)
Give him a close range self defence tool.
Buff wires to be reliable and ult stay the same
timber radish
I mean yeah but the knockback isn’t really a knockback more like a minor displacement from what I’ve seen
timber radish
It’s basically just like picking them up and putting them back down in the same spot lmao
wide bronze
it was cosmetic when it was added
timber radish
YO WAIT
What if instead of a refund on shift if you hit it, level 4 spawns a wire on top of the person hit
Doesn’t take a charge
reef night
I mean yeah but the knockback isn’t really a knockback more like a minor displac...
i feel like anyone with good time in hudson will try to use it as a knockback but only cus no other good options for him. it's so fake
timber radish
I think it’d be cool to at least make blast work with it
Or make bungie be able to hit the wire
So you can pull people into it
I think each level of his ult should make him pull a little harder
Seems kinda weak now
reef night
What if instead of a refund on shift if you hit it, level 4 spawns a wire on top...
prob sounds crazy to say... but this could become kinda broken with the 25% refund on hit he gets
wide bronze
I remember when it was added and talked with the designer.
Said it was placeholder for the time being until he figures out another way for hudson to stagger neutral monsters.
Color me surprised when the new designer decided to not come up with another way for hudson to stagger monsters (aka a new ability to make the kit work)
But instead just made it into a shitty knockback
timber radish
prob sounds crazy to say... but this could become kinda broken with the 25% refu...
Yeah I’m saying it would replace the refund as level 4
What would you guys wanted to be if it was moved to passive (obviously a peel tool but like what)
reef night
Yeah I’m saying it would replace the refund as level 4
level 4 just makes dash hit slow, the refund is on it from base
timber radish
level 4 just makes dash hit slow, the refund is on it from base
That’s crazy maybe get rid of refund lower base cd to begin with (cause he could use a little bit more movement)
I think it’d be cool if they made a way to make him have a way to control abyss a little bit more if they move rmb to passiv
reef night
only good thing on his dash rn is refund ngl. gives some insane movement when camps are still up
wide bronze
I am quite agaisnt giving him more movement. I adamantly believe Hudson should remain slow so he stays unique among the roster of mobility fighters
timber radish
That’s fair what if they rework his dash to be a better Peel tool?
wide bronze
Im am a strong believer in uniqueness of playstyle in moba/hero shooter esque games. Literally what gives them flavor.
timber radish
What if they give him a dash like Celeste and ghost where short gives lower cd but if you use long dash and hit someone you spawn a wire
I feel like his wires are one of his most iconic things and plus with the way he plays he could use a bit more of an identity than sit and hold click
wide bronze
Could but Idk how it would ever help him, Hudson with his current kit looses to most of the cast in close range. Dashing into enemies to spawn a wire does not do much. Especcially since you cant really do anything with said wire and the enemy probably kills you, the wire or both
timber radish
What if his rmb gives him thorns while he’s channeling it so he does a bit of dmg back
wide bronze
Could but that kinda just slapping band aids to a kit that is dysfunctional
timber radish
Or maybe an aura that slows attack speed?
ornate canopy
From my pov I think he would need an other RMB . Because it's true it seems that he lacks abilities. His RMB could be a bump or something that could combo with wires
timber radish
Could but that kinda just slapping band aids to a kit that is dysfunctional
I agree just thinking of stuff they could implement fairly quickly tbh I think he needs a rework if we’re saying a true fix
wide bronze
like popping viagra for ED while not solving the main cause of the dysfucntion.
Yeah it works for a bit but wouldnt it be better to just... Fix the main issue (for the analogy lets say its poor diet)
timber radish
What would you want a huddy rework to look like?
Like if you could make one what would be the main aspects you’d want to keep/abiltiies either added/kept/removed
wide bronze
Ive made like 17 posts about it so far 
Think current kit is kinda close to what a good hudson design could be
Current kit has the ingredients but it needs just little salt for flavor and time in the oven.
timber radish
You think? I feel like it’s missing like 2 abilities lmao
Like I think ult is cool but he kind of feels like clunky urgot
wide bronze
You think? I feel like it’s missing like 2 abilities lmao
There is like a few ways of doing it
one somewhat simple and one more unique version with heat mechanics.
timber radish
There is like a few ways of doing it
Wdym
wide bronze
Im typing it hold on
The biggest issue to me on Hudson is the lack of "commitment" to a design.
He should be the embodiment of "The minigun guy"
If you have played minigun characters in games they tend to follow similar design principles
Hudson is missing a few of them and that causes his kit to just feel wrong and BE dysfunctional
He should be Slow, Tanky and high dmg.
Single target dmg, decent utility if not even high utility
timber radish
I feel like with the way the game is he should have 2 utility tools to facilitate him being able to turtle
wide bronze
They have never really nailed these few core's of the archetype during his lifetime
timber radish
I feel like his ult is cool but could be cooler on a different character ngl
Like I could see his ult unlocking his rotation for a few seconds or something
Would be kids broken tho idk
Esp abyss fighting
It’d be funny if they made him shoot in front and behind him for a few seconds
Like sprinkler huddy
Or what if RMB changed modes so like one of current antherbislike a shorter range aoe like 3 streams of bullets instead of one
But it’s like half range of current non RMB buffed lmb
wide bronze
What would you want a huddy rework to look like?
Passive
-regen armor aoe to encourage allies to stay close to him.
-Hudson has no mana but instead builds heat from actions. His abilities use heat in various ways. Once heat goes too high Hudson starts burning his armor
Lmb
-Hold button to fire a spray of bullets, fire rate starts slow but increase as heat builds (maybe exponentially) spread is high innitially on button press but tightens after holding the button for a bit.
-Higher the fire rate the slower hudson turns while firing.
-Cannot normally build heat past a cap
Overheat
-Bullets light on fire Bullets apply a stacking DOT effect to enemies they hit.
-Allows heat to go past the regular cap
Rmb
Active (maybe a toggle with a short cd kinda how oath shield works)
-Changes hudson abilities and he starts passively gaining heat
Shift
-Drains heat at an exponential rate to dash like he does now.
overheat
-changes the dash into a powerful heat blast in a cone infront of hudson, consumes % of current heat to fire. The more heat is consumed the stronger the knockback and bigger the cone. Enemies who impact walls/units get stunned.
Q
-Throw wires down. They are thin and enemies who walk into them get a strong but short decaying slow and ground applied to them and take some dmg. Wires cancell momentum and if you impact them with enough speed you are briefly stunned on them. (act like walls for funny interactions like Oath wall bash)
overheat
-Consume current heat to throw down molten blobs of steel. The wires slow enemies and burn them, also refresh rmb burn stacks. If hudson stands in them he builds more heat.
Ult
-Fire a hook that attaches to an enemy and occasionally yanks them towards hudson. When the attached target takes damage Hudson repairs armor around himself proportional to the dmg done.
Overheat
-No longer yanks enemies but instead applies healing reduction and Attached target gains rmb burn stacks based on hudsons heat.
When enemy is bellow 15%hp reel them in and execute them.
Ult cd resets partially on kill or fully idk.
timber radish
Yeah I thought it should tbh like reward people for landing it
wide bronze
Abilities stay similar but Hudson has a few powerful tools that he needs to manage.
He is vurnerable to being jumped and getting caught out of postion because he cannot access his strongest tools from the get go. His dmg is high but needs him to be pre heated. And is single target so he is prone to being swarmed.
If you try and jump him when he is ready for you he will shred you to pieces.
timber radish
So with this are you saying using abilities increases heat to get the strong abilities too?
wide bronze
You have meanging full choices like "Do I spend heat to get away with shift, or do I try and hold postion with OH shift"
timber radish
And do you need to land abilities to build heat or is it just using
wide bronze
Do I try and pull an enemy closer with regular ult or do I need the dmg/antiheal version of it
wide bronze
And do you need to land abilities to build heat or is it just using
Im not fully sure. I cannot test it out in practice so its all mental gymnastics
Could have stuff build heat from hitting were it makes sense and makes the gameplay smoother
Stuff like higher heat build when hittign cc'd enemies could be a cool lvl4 upgrade
So you can Overheat shift somemone into wires and then while they are stunned you build your firerate/dmg up way faster
Also Feel this version could still have the "GAU 8 AVENGER" build where you dash around a lot and try and shoot at enemies
Could do a lot with the lvl4 upgrades to allow different play styles.
timber radish
I feel like it is a bit complex of a kit compared to other hunters I think maybe the knockback on q could be somewhere else or something
wide bronze
Had the idea of the "Heat blast" reflecting projectiles for niche defensive tool usage so he isnt fully helpless against ranged poke.
timber radish
I think maybe RMB could be the knock back and have the heat not be something you can control as mic
timber radish
Like you have heat give additional effects to abilities not necessarily Change them completely
wide bronze
Fully possible, is a direction they could go. But Im really sad to say I doubt they ever will do anything cool with hudson.
timber radish
You could also have his level 4 automatically have the effect of the heated ability and then if it’s heated as a level four it’s extra empowered so huddy becomes a late game carry
I mean I think heat is def a good direction tht people have talked about some OB started
I think it would allow them to give him powerful tools to begin with
Like yes you kind of have heat with RMB but something would be nice
Like I imagine something kind of like rumble where you kind of want to manage it
I just think considering the cadence of SVs kit design giving him like abilities that change based on context of his passive can be a bit much (yeah brall kind of has this with rmb) but I think it’d be good to keep his original abilities the same as his buffed heated abilities just with strong effects of what they already do
wide bronze
I dont really care WHAT way they do it as long as they get him right.
Slow, bulky, high single target, good utility.
Heat mechanic just feels right for him.
The heat giving new usages for simple abilities is really cool as an idea. Fits the character as well since he is a craftsman. So having versatile tools would fit
timber radish
I just think considering the cadence of SVs kit design giving him like abilities...
Both for clarity of play and clarity of fighting against
wide bronze
Its kinda weird with Vives designs. Some are so *old * and some are just so new
timber radish
The way he has with wires and guns and the eyepatch it feels like he’s a veteran who uses like traditional warfare stuff where everyone else has magic and bs
timber radish
Its kinda weird with Vives designs. Some are so *old * and some are just so *new...
I think Celeste is in need of a HUGE update, her ult change was an awesome step in the right direction but I feel like she’s very clunky esp since she got nerfed super hard with the addition of glider heat
wide bronze
There are designs like Void and Shrike were you can tell they are quite old and almost designed for a different vision of the game
Shrike esspecially
Kinda Kp and Felix as well
timber radish
I think Felix isn’t in a bad spot, and KP is a lot better with lvl 4s being fully available
wide bronze
Rather simple kits.
Then you got stuff like Oath and Brall with SO many moving parts
timber radish
I think we need a lot of simple kits in the game
Oath brall beebo can be our complex characters but it’s good to have the “garen and Annie” characters for new players to learn
I think they could give them all new extras but not a rework like huddy or Celeste
sudden dawn
Do the dota 2 approach where everyone has their unique flavor of bullshit
tbats what i started this game for
but its gone on 90% of hunters
:P
timber radish
Real
I mean I think we’re getting back to it a bit but I think it depends on how the bs fees to fight too
wide bronze
Strong character fantasies are hard to balance if you dont give every character equal tools to get up to their BS
sudden dawn
i want everyone to be able to do something like oath or nyx
timber radish
I think they’re strong cause they do many things tho
sudden dawn
do many things while being the best at many lol
wide bronze
Been getting into dota 2 recently because Im starving for some BS kits
They do like one or two things per character but holy are they funny
15.2s stuns
wide bronze
Global aoe Silence
wide bronze
Changing them would mean the designer was wrong in some capacity.
timber radish
Played dota once but I’m kind of over moving with rmb
timber radish
the entirety of the council complaining about nyx r and rmb
Yeah I mean if they made it like half of their armor or something at least
RMB healing is also crazy
And the range is so deceptive
sudden dawn
Changing them would mean the designer was wrong in some capacity.
yea instead we will nuke her numbers and mobility next patch to turn her into the next "frontliner" thats not worth picking over oath ^_^
wide bronze
Genius. Now she is the tank we were all promised 3000 years ago
timber radish
yea instead we will nuke her numbers and mobility next patch to turn her into th...
I mean If they did I’d prob pick her up still don’t know how people do dmg on her besides r
sudden dawn
Their data probably says she is bad in a bad players hands. No need to nerf
erm shes still only 3-4 picks in a high level tourney so its okay
sudden dawn
I mean If they did I’d prob pick her up still don’t know how people do dmg on he...
charge lmb 1 + hit every lmb 3
very very consistent dmg
timber radish
best in the game level of op
Oh yeah totally I just don’t know how to use her LMAO
timber radish
Yeah I know vive council been trying to push good changes as far as I know
wide bronze
Oath brall beebo can be our complex characters but it’s good to have the “garen ...
Pretty much the only reason I want hudson to be reworked is to be a little more complex and cohesive.
Annie or Garen have a defined intuitive gameplan they are going for. Hudson does not.
Its not about being simple its about being functional.
A lot of hudsons issues come from the fact he is BRAINDEAD simple and lacks a clear working gameplan.
Garen and annie's kits have every tool they need to function and complete their purpose.
Garen has HP regen, extra defense stacking mechanics, tenacity, slow cleance, dmg reduction, armor shred, attackspeed scalings and %missing hp true dmg.
All of it makes him a tanky, speedy but immobile juggernaut who has a rather simple purpose.
Annie has long range, mana refunds, aoe, summons, stack mechanic, self speed up, dmg reduction, return dmg and a shield.
All of it makes her this immobile burst cc mage with a simple gameplan. But key is there is a gameplan.
She and garen both have the tools to have proper agency to make an impact.
Hudson just doesnt really function. He isnt reliable and has no combos in his kit. No way to reliably confirm dmg, no reliable cc, no reliable defensive tools.
You often hear people say he does nothing. Rn the best you get out Hudson is hoping your enemies are stupid, and if playing against competent players all Hudson CAN do is sit back, repair ally armor when possible, fish for hooks and hope teammates know how to use his wires for protection.
Technically and I mean purely Technically its fine. But it just doesnt lineup with expectations for his character design.
He just doesnt function
Hudson is kinda the "Potential Hunter" of this game.
"When" and "If" he gets buffed he will be good
reef night
Passive
-regen armor aoe to encourage allies to stay close to him.
-Hudson has ...
for the aoe armor regen they could prob do 1% for hudson .5% for allys to make it less op. cus 1% for whole team would be op for sure
wide bronze
Caviat is that it requires allies to stay near him
Huddle around Hudson for warmth (armor regen) :3
timber radish
Pretty much the only reason I want hudson to be reworked is to be a little more ...
I agree I think his only combo is ult pulling into wires
reef night
something i hate about hudson rn is how his ult is his fucking only way to kill and punish someone in his wires. it feels so dumb for someone to dash into my wires and come out at half hp just cus my ult was on cd, this is so fucking frustrating.
timber radish
something i hate about hudson rn is how his ult is his fucking only way to kill ...
I feel like diadem would be nice if you had another ability to spam
wide bronze
Been hoping for another ability since his first versions
reef night
we all have ._.
i wonder why i always say to give him another ability in my random ass rework suggestions....
minor knoll
funny hudson (he exists to suffer)
timber radish
i wonder why i always say to give him another ability in my random ass rework su...
Yeah RMB also just feels awkward in his hit as a full ability they could even make it the passive and have it the rest be another ability
I will say every character that’s auto centric has a knockback besides him (bishop, myth, carbine and ghost)
deft rapids
How do you guys always make it about Hudson
reef night
it was not me this time
wide bronze
How do you guys always make it about Hudson
Hudson is a maybe the best example of what is wrong with vives hunter design and balancing. So he gets brought up very fast because he is SO easy to make points using
Dude is a beacon of dogshit game design and decisions.
mossy berry
Devs creating vive council to misdirect balance blame from them to vive council was a massive outplay.
mossy berry
Dude is a beacon of dogshit game design and decisions.
I fought that battle in real time brother.
I lost
🥹
wide bronze
I also tried to fight in your absence. Could not make a dent in the enemy forces.
The mantle of fighting for Hudson kind lies on vulture
Our last hope
mossy berry
Hope died long ago
wide bronze
Hope is a dangerous thing. Makes you fight a war that is already lost...
But the hope keeps you going and suffering even more
Though maybe its not hope anymore. Delusion
mossy berry
"He’s supposed to control space, but he’s also so mobile he controls your space."
reef night
Hope is a dangerous thing. Makes you fight a war that is already lost...
But th...
i had hope until may 14th...
sudden nexus
i had hope until may 14th...
hudson "rework" ?
reef night
Yea...I gave legit hundreds of random ideas and still do. And they go with that shit. I enjoyed it in the end and he did become stronger, but that shit ain't it
restive hull
no1 mentioning kingpin? immortal and 1shotting ppl xdd
reef night
Just are bigger problems.
Is kp really as bad as nyx, saros, jin, or oath? No, he isn't. He gets a billion hp and gets to near one shot dunk you but compared to others is it really that broken?
timber radish
How do you guys always make it about Hudson
Wanna talk about joule
timber radish
no1 mentioning kingpin? immortal and 1shotting ppl xdd
Ngl I don’t have many problems with kingpin i feel like he’s pretty telegraphed
timber radish
Just are bigger problems.
Is kp really as bad as nyx, saros, jin, or oath? No, ...
Jin isn’t bad rn he’s actually quite balanced 
deft rapids
ive only really been able to try joule in dommy mode so idk but she seems fine now!
timber radish
ive only really been able to try joule in dommy mode so idk but she seems fine n...
I feel like they finally got her in a spot where she’s like mid a to top of b tier she’s not the best but she’s solid
reef night
Ngl I don’t have many problems with kingpin i feel like he’s pretty telegraphed
The problem for me personally with him(not balance wise) is that it feels like i gotta predict his dunk now vs before where it was really easy to dash out of the way. Idk what changed or if anything even changed. Just feels like my dashes are too slow to dodge it now.
And this has literally nothing to do with hudson, legit only played him like 2 times this entire patch.
timber radish
The problem for me personally with him(not balance wise) is that it feels like i...
You think? I feel like his dunk has remained the same besides the obv dunk nerf everyone got
I feel like that could just players getting better at him like queuing it up to where hitbox comes out right when it needs to
reef night
Yea idk why it feels like that. Maybe just feels like this cus I've sort of swapped from long range to melees and I'm just getting used to it.
