#character lock

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coral iron
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This is actually a feature! If you go into your friends tab when you’re about to queue and click party fill to offit will lock in your character in and you’ll be able to play them as much as you want! Hope this helps!🤗

rose owl
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Isn't this why you should learn more than 1 character bro

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Feels like it takes away the point of having a hunter pool and just lets one tricks abuse broken broken characters and on top of that it makes queue times longer for all of this

lucid quartz
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If they added this then you can't really change your character after seeing your teamates characters

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If they did that it would literally just be whoever picked the character first gets it.

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Would genuinely be more infuriating then your character being occasionally stolen

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Its not stupid if its true

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Ive played games with that system and having the character you want to play be stolen by someone who has better internet connection is infuriating

rose owl
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No you wont because if its up to you you'll play 1 character and abuse one tricking for elo

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It is a part of the game that you have to be able to react to your team mates picks and build a competent team comp

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Which means you may have to play a character you didnt originally want to play

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I refuse to get ragebaited in a discussion thread again

lyric ermine
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Fenrir is high on stupid juice today ig

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Both versions have their pros and cons

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i personally also prefer just having a character lock queue like Hots does it for example

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But the problem with that kinda system is simply that it harms queuetimes which the devs put a large emphasis on, so currently its a choice that is toggled off by default

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Theres no reason to be that hostile just because he prefers a different system

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Its a preferential thing to begin with and imo should be by choice in most games

rose owl
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Wait shit I got baited again

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Maybe i am high on stupid juice

lyric ermine
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There is no such thing as comp in random matchmaking man

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If you queue in and pick a character that works well within a comp but the comp needs to be executed well half of the time synergy will simply not exist and the comp wont work out

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People have preference and also just are more talented towards playing something too, so sticking to something ure good at, isnt inherently wrong even if it isnt the best pick for the composition to work

rose owl
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Sticking to something your good at is not the same as one tricking is my thing tho

lyric ermine
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But then again, that wasnt why i called it stupid, I did because of ur inability to see that im not right just as much as youre not right, this is mostly a thing of preference, matchmaking and a ton of other factors that are literally subjective.

rose owl
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This guy is saying he wants to just pick ome character his entire time on vive

lyric ermine
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And you still act like the other side is outrageous for having that opinion lol

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Yes

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Why not

rose owl
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A couple reasons

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Queue times would be longer

lyric ermine
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its a video game, get over it. People wanna have fun mostly and some simply want to have fun while sticking to one thing theyre good at

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this isnt overwatch

lyric ermine
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everything has pros and cons.

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I think compared to hots, it was something around 20% less time spent in a game if you choose to onetrick a popular hero

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but if you play something unpopular it was around 50% more time spent ingame

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thats years ago tho when the game still had a much bigger playerbase

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and also from memory obviously

rose owl
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Part of the skill of the game is being able to play multiple characters and removing that takes away part of the learning curve that most people actually enjoy and makes the game easier in a way that is not satisfying

lyric ermine
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No thats part of what you think is skill expression within the game

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Theres countless onetricks that compete in tournaments in this game too.

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And they do adapt by just adapting their playstyle to new metas.

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We even had voids in tournaments winning games when he was significantly weaker than meta

rose owl
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And the system (depending on implementation) could skew towards people with higher end pcs

lyric ermine
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Well mostly because Fatestrikes is simply the goat

rose owl
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If you get into a game and its just blind pick that inherently benefits people who load faster

lyric ermine
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you can choose to see skill expression within one thing, but that doesnt mean that people cant be expressive while onetricking too.

lyric ermine
rose owl
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And if its not and your pick is generated beforehand like fuckin swiftplay

lyric ermine
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I know because i used to run sv on a fucking 960

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with a HDD

rose owl
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That means you lose the ability to tailor your pick to your team

lyric ermine
rose owl
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Which is also a part of skill expression that should be preserved

lyric ermine
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You can make these things work

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people have before

rose owl
lyric ermine
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That is too far man

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TAKE IT BACK

rose owl
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I had nothing to say to that statement but the emote

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I mean what am I gonna say

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I disagree? No it isnt?

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Nah man take the 🫃

lyric ermine
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xD

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nah but genuienly, if that is an issue that affects enough people for it to be worth mentioning ur game has a much much much bigger issue that should have all your focus on it

rose owl
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I agree the game does have a much much bigger issue rhat should have all their focus on it

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Several!

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My thing is I just dont personally buy into the its preference argument

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Like ofc if ur a one trick ur gonna perfer it. But that dosent mean your preference is something that should happen just bc you would like it

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I have several issues with a feature like this because I think it impacts game health in a much more unhealthy way thats antithetical to how the game was original designed

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And like I dont deny there is a level of skill expression in one tricking

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Like before they killed cdr i was a felix one trick

lyric ermine
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no the entire preference thing just makes it a choice and psychologically, if you choose for longer queuetimes ure less bothered by it

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thats the entire point

rose owl
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And ofc u had to adapt to the times I remember going from vamp to bubble to gacha to cdr when 1.0 dropped now to dogshit

lyric ermine
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If anyone else isnt affected or even gets better queuetimes as a result, everyones winning

rose owl
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I just think there are other dimensions of skill in this game that get impacted by that change in a negative way

lyric ermine
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the problem with SV specifically is simply that the game is so dammn small that this wouldnt work either way

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its more of a thing to think about when the game actually gets to a point where we have more than 200 players xD

rose owl
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Yeah I mean obv

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Im arguing on the principle of the matter right

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Dis game is gonna have queues of hell no matter what

rose owl
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Like even if ur not bothered the overall game gets worse

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So you kinda got to hold it

lyric ermine
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but then again you make that choice

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you can just opt out of it the moment u feel bothered by it

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and take a compromise

rose owl
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I understand that but I dont think its your choice to make if that makes sense

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Like if ur ok with making the game worse thats your decision but I dont think the devs should give you that option

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Plus like I personally dont think it being an opt in thing works

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Maybe its bc ive never played a game where its opt in

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It feels to me like an all or nothing lever

lyric ermine
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for some people its worse to be forced off their onetrick for a game.

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thats why again, its a preference thing if done right

rose owl
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Its like auto fill in league

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Like yeah you would rather remove it and wait out your queue and other people may want that

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But thay overwhelmingly makes the queues longer for everyone else and they may not have opted into something like that

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Its not the exact same as this but its the same principle of like sometimes even if you want something and you would be okay with the downsides it affects others in a way that they didnt ask for

lyric ermine
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Youre forced to.

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It is a tool directly for queue health and queue health only

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its a sacrifice everyone has to make

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thats not what he or me are talking about at all

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Imo autofill in league shouldnt even exist below a certain high elo threshhold, but then again, life service games are not made for u to have fun mainly, but for engagement to begin with

rose owl
lyric ermine
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so queuetimes matter alot to keep these games affloat, so leagues sacrifice for it makes sense, since roles matter in league and you already queue in with a role

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you dont do that with sv

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you do that with a much much more varied thing, a hunter with my example, so the pool should in theory be big enough to not affect queuetimes as significantly given a larger playerbase.

lyric ermine
rose owl
valid narwhal
rose owl
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Neither of us think this would fix queue times rn

valid narwhal
analog fjord
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This is actually valid critique but low iqs with their personal favourite way to play will hate on u for it

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queue times lol

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yea right suck my pinis we have botsbin ranked in any rank anywya

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fkn used them properly then atleast

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instant headache when i think about dev decisions

nocturne yoke
nocturne yoke
nocturne yoke
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Thinking you deserve priority on a popular champ in a game with 2 active lobbies is downright stupid and a prime example of the community input being awful cause its normally just one guy going "ermmm why dont they cater to JUST ME specifically at the expense of others???"

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Im a one trick but when my one trick gets taken by some silver like op I just pick someone else because 75% of the gameplay is killing bots anyway

lyric ermine
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Assuming that people dont know any better is always a better way to approach situations.

nocturne yoke
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Im trying to encourage people to know better before they engage

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Wen u get nutchecked u come correct next time

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Pun intended