gray heron
One thing I really liked about the game that is different from other MOBAs is that it's not necessary to have many online friends to form a team. But now that I've reached master rank, I can't play with them anymore. What's the point of this? To make me give up the game? If that's the intention, Theorycraft deserves congratulations because they are succeeding.
loud cairn
if you played with friends to hit master then you are likely going to take a trip back to d1 expeditiously
you can still play with your friends in norms, without sacrificing ranked integrity? xd
loud cairn
people in the beta before the ranked restrictions existed (i believe) were complaining that a pro team would just stomp every lobby. because they played "with their friends" and just stacked the lobby to win and it made the game completely dreadful for everyone else
wanton ibex
people in the beta before the ranked restrictions existed (i believe) were compl...
This game are made for lonelly peaple.
Less than 100h of this game u can get Master. So isant a "master" rank. Master here is a platinum rank in another games. Maximun
wanton ibex
if you played with friends to hit master then you are likely going to take a tri...
We dont NEED us friend to get master or legend rank. Just is more FUN like this.
loud cairn
at the expense of everyone else, which creates a meta where if you aren't premade then you will get thrashed
but if that's how the game has to be played then 🤷♂️
sour leaf
It's also literally a fact it's pushed many of the top player away from the game, some still play comp but a lot literally do not even touch ranked. This is also one of the biggest contributing factors to ranks meaning cloae to nothing.
dreamy timber
Yepp we wait
wanton ibex
at the expense of everyone else, which creates a meta where if you aren't premad...
Well... if this game continue like this, we will see together its end.
loud cairn
it died in beta with what you're asking for, or so i believe. because i didn't play then but i heard people complaining about it
languid anchor
Less than 100h of this game u can get Master. So isant a "master" rank. Master h...
that's juste because there aren't as many players so not as many competition, and there aren't many GOOD players so as for the time being masters is masters, but masters now will be plat in a few years, that's it
and also i don't get why people think norm isnt a thing ? Wanna play with friends ? Play norms. At some point you'll have the mmr to play with people of your level and ggs
wanton ibex
and also i don't get why people think norm isnt a thing ? Wanna play with friend...
Let us play with friends and delete normal game. The normal game must be just ranked.
languid anchor
Well no, because then you put "John who ́s employed and can only play 3hrs a week" and "xxxSweatyGamerxxx who ́s in her moms bassement playing 8hrs a day" in the same queue and that’s bad.
Also, mindset in norms and ranks are different. You could be playing ranked on a daily basis but also throw 8 games in a row in norms with your friends because you keep trying that dumb strategy that doesnt work but is fun
Ranked and norms exists separatly for a reason and wanting to merge these queues is not only extremely bad for casual players but also very detrimental to the game ecosystem
wanton ibex
Well... if continue like this we will see this game die. We had 1600 peack players and 1.0 was released like 2 months ago. Lets see in 6 months more.
languid anchor
The game has a whole lot of issues, and playing with friends at high elo is a thing. But the ubderlying problem is just that there isnt enough players to have a real competition. So if they "fix the game", there will be more players, people will get better, and you and your friends will take a shoot at playing together again. In the meantime, norms are right there.
Merging the queues will just kill the game faster
weak viper
Less than 100h of this game u can get Master. So isant a "master" rank. Master h...
sorry im 2k hours and im hardstuck diamond
plucky prism
skill issue
languid anchor
OP suffering from success it seems
strange sand
In beta the problem was not about team of 3 Queueing
it was about matchmaking
and unranked mixed with ranked
signal tangle
it was about matchmaking
and u cant fix matchmaking without more players
ranked in supervive is a pool of like, 100 people
15 good players and 85 people in gold
that get to diamond 1 by playing for 50 hours
i think you shouldnt be allowed to que with 3 just so you have to deal with what i deal with
wanton ibex
But u dont have it. Only a peack of 1,6k.
strange sand
But u dont have it. Only a peack of 1,6k.
We were literally talking about beta
wanton ibex
We cant be in beta if they lauched 1.0 in a steam, like 2 months ago.
1.0 cant be named beta
strange sand
We were literally TALKING about the beta
wanton ibex
Wtf
strange sand
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wanton ibex
If everyone can play, if we call 1.0. We just can nome it a BETA
strange sand
You better go sleeping mate
strange sand
You clearly are tired
wanton ibex
Yeah, yeah
strange sand
let's write it a last time
We were literally TALKING about the beta
TALKING
Discussing
Conversing
Arguing
Hope all the synonyms can help
Cya
gray heron
In the south of America, it seems that the situation of the lack of players is still going to be worse. The few that are available are scattered across various game modes. With this lack of incentive to play with friends in ranked matches, Theorycraft has somewhat ruined this game mode.
wanton ibex
Arguing
My friend, whoever created this thread, is talking about the current game. The game that anyone can play now. He's not talking about the beta. If the discord page is for discussions about the beta, so be it. But my friend created this discussion to talk about a company guideline for the current game. The game we're playing now.
strange sand
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wanton ibex
I didnt saw the word "beta:. 
strange sand
Holiday break the week after the release of OB was also a smart decision
Hudson is still laughing about it
gray heron
Yes, I understand that this came from a bad habit of the beta. But the developers can't have such a limited mindset. I like a challenge; if a team is extremely strong, I want to evolve and make my team better. That motivates me to keep going and continue playing the game to improve. I think the solution of preventing a strong team from playing together is a strategy of weak people. If they want to play to win every match, they should play against the A.I.
signal tangle
talkin about beta is pointless
we dont live in beta
we live in reality, where when i log on there are 450 people playing the game in total
of which 100 are playing ranked
and of which 15 are good players
gray heron
And the worst part is that even these 15 good players cannot be invited to play on your team if you or they are ranked master or above.
You are doomed to rely on luck to be with the other 85. And the saddest part is that my friend, who ascended to master with me, is online suffering from the same fate. This game is a comedy.
signal tangle
no u can invite 1 person in master
which is already op tbh
two master 3s together should have like a 50% winrate
unironically
i do agree its basically pointless to play ranked in master without a duo
but saying u cant play with ANYONE isnt true
and honestly in gm+ you should be carrying a lot anyway
wide fog
In the south of America, it seems that the situation of the lack of players is s...
Remember that 90% of queuers quit before the queue pops
strange sand
talkin about beta is pointless
But who ?
signal tangle
What
strange sand
Who asked if it was pointless to discuss about what happened in beta ?
gray heron
It must be this same type of person with child-like behavior who must have cried to the developers to remove high-ranked teammates. Because for an anti-social person, it doesn't matter that they can't play with friends since they never really have any anyway.
signal tangle
there are less than 100 people playing this game's ranked que lol
for like 50% of the day
talking about "but one time a long time ago there were players"
is pointless
im sorry if you have a hard time dealing with it but its the truth
if u wanna play with ur friends, at the current player count unfortunately you might need to play unranked
because if you are 3 of the 10 good players logged on, you have a significant advantage
does that suck? sure. no ones arguing that
i would love to que up with my homies and go straight to legend as well but thats not how it works at the moment
gray heron
Without being able to play with friends and with no one to play ranked matches. Unfortunately this game is doomed to failure if nothing is done to change this reality.
gray heron
I don't know if it's like that in other regions as well, but in South America the game is already over.
thorn hemlock
Yes, that's the evil of an entire generation. Being good and competent in something makes you a villain. Things have to be made easier because if not those who don't improve, don't develop and don't get a minimum performance that will cry like babies. And those who did it to deserve the "advantage" suffer from maneuvers that only benefit crying babies.
It's impressive that in such a short time a game manages to self-sabotage to adapt to the crying of half a dozen losers.
signal tangle
Without being able to play with friends and with no one to play ranked matches. ...
i dont think its that you cant play with your friends
its that if you dont que with your friends in master+ you literally cant rank up
because player count is so low that if 2 of your friends end up on the same team
you lose
because you have silver4 eva and deavened gold4 shrike on your team
no matter what elo youre at
the issue is that rank doesnt matter at all, so theres barely a reason to play it
cant rank up without 3 stacking? its cause ranked doesnt matter
and its impossible to make ranked matter when there are only 100 players online
so just play unranked if all u want is to play with your homies that has always been an option
thorn hemlock
Play and win unranked is easier than Coop IA 🤦🏻♂️
signal tangle
play and win ranked with 3 decent players is easier than coop ai
grim hazel
Remove resurgence from normal games and maybe you would see people playing normals once we cant rank together. Resurgence only helps noobs stay bad and doesnt teach people about ranked. The disparity in gameplay and pacing from normals and ranked is too noticable.
signal tangle
agreed
thorn hemlock
play and win ranked with 3 decent players is easier than coop ai
No, just not. In ranked, most players know the basics of the game at least. While in the unranked most don't even know what's going on.
signal tangle
No, just not. In ranked, most players know the basics of the game at least. Whil...
you are incredibly wrong
i play with diamond 1s every day that still do not know how supervive works
because you can get to diamond 1 by playing for a week or two without learning anything
i hope im not offending you when i say that, but its the truth and anyone above master will agree with it
thats the result of not having enough players
i started this game in 1.0, and got to diamond in under a week, and played one single champion, and knew nothing
thorn hemlock
I am not asking you or something. You can not say “you wrong” if I am TELLING you what I see every day
Unranked players knows NOTHING
signal tangle
i am telling you youre wrong and most other people will as well
thorn hemlock
Play like IA
signal tangle
theres no difference between silver and d1 in this game
and theres basically no difference between silver and unranked
thorn hemlock
Yes, if you join the unranked match you will see 90% of players completely lost
signal tangle
just like ranked
thorn hemlock
Acting like IA
signal tangle
JUST like ranked.
signal tangle
yes buddy
thorn hemlock
Keep saying yes and I keep saying no.. Nice for me
thorn hemlock
Animal. You want to be right about some think that I am telling you, not asking, wtf..
Should I record the matches so you Will sfu?
signal tangle
iu dont need to look at ur screen
thorn hemlock
U can talk for me
signal tangle
im right
thorn hemlock
Wtf
signal tangle
cya later
thorn hemlock
Kkkkkkkkkkkkk
Go sleep and cry about good players having “advantage” because you r noob
signal tangle
whats your elo btw
ill let you pick one of my accounts at random and lets bet on whos a higher elo
ill send u the list of names
hahahaha
u think im arguing for myself, but i care about people playing the game.
thorn hemlock
No, just every discussion u wanna be right, changing the subject and the purpose of the discussion
signal tangle
no
for anyone in this game under master3
playing against 3 master 3s is playing against an army
and playing against gm+ is playing against god
so catering to a couple of people
so they can stomp noobs with friends
is bad for the game
thorn hemlock
Persons like u support the game not allowing play in party after master because will be “advantage” against the noobs
signal tangle
there arent enough players
signal tangle
and youre stupid if you dont understand that
signal tangle
lmao
signal tangle
Persons like u support the game not allowing play in party after master because ...
irony
there are 100 people playing ranked
80 of them are plat or under
they might as well be bots
stacking all 10 of the good playerss onto 3 teams
is bad
thorn hemlock
And then if you are master IV you must play on noob teams because the noobs will cry about advantage instead of trying to play and improve yourself
Or playing unranked because it is just easier
signal tangle
And then if you are master IV you must play on noob teams because the noobs will...
irony
thorn hemlock
Avoiding the ranked because the players are a little bit better and you have less chance of win is already a lose
thorn hemlock
That’s the name of this discussion: having friends is against fhe rules.. if I am master I have to carry noobs and I am not allowed to have friends to play in party kkkkkkkk
Wtf
Obligated to carry noobs now
thorn hemlock
If I carry the noob they never gonna be better
And being noob it is not the issue
Everybody start one day..
But obligating the players who tried his best to be better to carry the noobs is nonsense..
thorn hemlock
If I was able to improve myself without master carrying me, they should be able as well
signal tangle
they cant improve cause they never play with own rank
against own rank
cause not enough players
which is my entire point
they are only being carried by higher elo
thorn hemlock
But you keep saying different things about the same point.
signal tangle
or killing lower elo
rank in this game is POINTLESS
so if you want to play with your friends
instead of asking that they ruin the balance for everyone but you
just play unranked
its simple actually
you just keep ignoring it
signal tangle
and if i was allowed to que with 3 gm
it would be play and win every game too
because anyone under my rank wouldnt stand a chance
and you would be back in here complaining about it
thorn hemlock
Maybe in your country
signal tangle
"oh why are 3 legends running around the map destroying me and my poor m4 friends"
"its not fair"
because the gap between legend and m4 is basically the entire game
m4 is where ranked STARTS
sorry that you cant 3 stack and stomp noobs to make it go up anymore
thorn hemlock
Only noobs say that
“Not fair” is in reallity “better than me because I am bad and cannot be better”
signal tangle
you are saying its not fair that you cant 3 stack with people instead of getting better
lol
the irony
is actually insane
signal tangle
Only noobs say that
“Not fair” is in reallity “better than me because I am bad ...
we already addressed this though im better than you
and am advocating a different thing than you
thorn hemlock
Kkkkkkkkkkkk
signal tangle
its not about noobs
its about balance
and player rentention
but you guys dont get that
and dont care
just say that tho
thorn hemlock
Poor kid, I am not here to do what your dad was suposed to do. Like teach you about how the wrold can be different than your own mind.
signal tangle
thorn hemlock
U r 10y old man
Kkkkkkkk
We are just trying to play a game instead of carrying others and take the responsible of teaching others
signal tangle
no u r trying to get carried
thorn hemlock
And play with teamates
Yes, master being carried
Make sense
Look how nonsense you are
signal tangle
in my games,
you are the noob youre commplaining about
lol
master 4 = bronze 4
thats the start
thorn hemlock
Every two minutes you change your opinion
thorn hemlock
Sometimes the rank matters because it is a big difference
thorn hemlock
Sometimes there is no difference
thorn hemlock
and you cant have your friends carry you
Again saying something different
Now it is to not be carried instead of carry the noobs
Go sleep, your mommy is waiting. You have class tomorrow
signal tangle
one day the noobs will understand
i was like you before too
master4 is noob
getting carried before it
but wasting my breath on someone like you isnt worth it
strange sand
blud still think i'm talking about 1.0 launch
LOL
As you like screenshots
here it is
so you can understand (maybe, i'm not sure u'll be able to)
sacred birch
Avoiding the ranked because the players are a little bit better and you have les...
I can almost guarantee if you if I or any consistent scrim team in EU or NA would play as 3 stack they'd legit average 80-90% wr
And that's mostly because there's very little competition considering there's a HUGE disparity in playtime/"skill"
wanton ibex
This is a team game. Teamwork. So if you reach Master together, the merit belongs to everyone. In my opinion, the restriction should exist, BUT ONLY AFTER LEGEND RANK, when you start being ranked regionally.
Master rank is still way too early. Suppose it takes around 100 hours to go from Bronze 4 to Legend 1—Master would be right in the middle of that journey. And that’s being conservative. So we’re talking about half of the gameplay being forced into a single-player experience. Meanwhile, I’d like to be syncing up with my friends, laughing, and having fun together. But instead, I’d need to spend another 50 hours or so without being able to play with them. It feels like each one of us is playing a different game, just chatting on Discord. One could be playing chess, another solitaire, and me Supervive—it wouldn’t make a difference. Everyone just playing alone in their own corner.
To me, that kills the whole point of a multiplayer game. You might say, “It doesn’t, you’re still playing with other players.” But what’s the difference between playing with muted teammates, brainless gameplay, quitters... and playing with bots? It’s the same. So yes, the game turns into a single-player experience.
Until there are enough players, this “RULE” that says Master rank players can’t play with friends should only apply after reaching Legend rank. And if, later on, the player base is more consistent and the ranking system truly reflects skill level, then sure—at that point, you could move that restriction down to Master, for example.
sacred birch
The problem of not being able to queue with friends also gets exacerbated by the bonus system basically giving everyone RP for free up to master which is the point where you're forced to start solo-qing
so the entire ladded from bronze to master is basically completely skewed and inaccurate to the point where a lot of people end up dia - master hardstuck because that's the point where RP gain isn't just completely free anymore
in an ideal word in a BR people should be getting stuck in around gold or plat at most
wanton ibex
The problem of not being able to queue with friends also gets exacerbated by the...
I understand your point of view, and I imagine many people might think the same way. Although I have no idea how old you are or what other competitive experiences you’ve had to reach that line of reasoning.
That said, I don’t think you’re looking at the full picture. Many of the people who get stuck in certain ranks are, in fact, in their true rank. And in many cases, it’s simply because the player is genuinely incompetent and/or doesn’t have the necessary skill to climb higher—whether they’re playing with a premade team or not. I’m not saying that’s the case for everyone, so please read carefully. And honestly, I don’t believe everyone needs to push themselves in an online game to the point of hitting their absolute peak. After all, we have lives outside of gaming.
Still, looking at the bigger picture, Supervive seems to be aiming to become a competitive game with leagues, tournaments, and that sort of thing. So it needs to allow teams the opportunity to at least feel capable of competing. And players only get that feeling if they can face other premade teams in the same rank. That will never happen if the split already starts at Master rank—a rank that, in my opinion, any average player should be able to reach just by playing about two hours a day. And currently, it takes even less than that to reach it.
I realize I’ve drifted a bit from the main point, so apologies for that. But following this line of reasoning, it’s simply unwise to impose such a restriction at such a low rank right now, given the player base size. I still believe that this limitation should only exist above Legend 1—if it has to exist at all.
silver pebble
CCU issue, game will never be competitive if we're asking for bandaid fixing queues rather than gaining players so that they can actually create a ranked ladder that has integrity
languid anchor
^ this
current state of ranked is trash because there's no actual competition, there's just not enough players.
signal tangle
agree, thats what ive been saying lol
signal tangle
This is a team game. Teamwork. So if you reach Master together, the merit belong...
i think if they open up master to 3 stack the only thing that will happen is a couple of bad masters will make it to legend tbh
im sure it will make the bad masters happy and make like 20 of the 400 players quit
lament jackal
CCU issue, game will never be competitive if we're asking for bandaid fixing que...
The hell are you on about?
Letting people play with their friends can only make the CCU even better.
You wanna know why? Because having three players queue up is better than having one player queue up.
silver pebble
trueeeee, epic and based
you're so brave
you've saved supervive
500 players across 5 regions across 3 queues (ranked/unranked/arena)
you're right though CCU isn't an issue - I never thought of it that way
gaining +2 players instead of having 1 will surely save this game!!11!one!1eleven
wide fog
Thats a lot of math
gray heron
The game barely has players and still has this illogical restriction. Just get rid of this nonsense of restriction and let the few players that are left be happy. Or if it's hard to create a match with the few players available, cut everything in half. Pay half the points to play, earn half the points when eliminating an opposing team, and start with the area reduced. This way, players of closer ranks can play together. I don't care if there are 12 teams or 6 in the match, I just want to play.
wide fog
You should care about that actually
Don't force yourself to find a reason to play this any longer if it feels like an agonizing experience thats only gonna wear you down mentally
Unburden yourself and be free by clicking the uninstall button
They have already octupled down on the queue restriction it wont change anytime soon
And nothing can convince them otherwise people have already been trying for a year
sacred birch
They have already octupled down on the queue restriction it wont change anytime ...
Devs have literally already said recently that they're looking at a solution but it's more complex so it will take time
gray heron
Unburden yourself and be free by clicking the uninstall button
You know what saddens me is that I had a lot of fun playing with my friends until I reached the master rank. Then suddenly that stupid notice appeared saying I could no longer play with them. But you are right, sooner or later I will end up uninstalling this game and turning the page.
sacred birch
saying "nothing can convince them otherwise" without having the full context is a bit crazy im ngl
sour leaf
saying "nothing can convince them otherwise" without having the full context is ...
That is this entire discord lmao
sacred birch
That is this entire discord lmao
yea I've noticed, everyone always speaks in absolutes
sour leaf
Devs have literally already said recently that they're looking at a solution but...
But also, happy to hear this
sacred birch
quite ironic because I just did that too lmao
Yea there was an entire like dev-talk with the dev responsible for matchmaking I'm pretty sure
about a month or so ago
signal tangle
trueeeee, epic and based
you know better than to engage with m64 at this point cmon
sacred birch
Yea idk people seem to not realize that simply removing restrictions won't really do anything besides alienate anyone who actually wants to get into the game
unless there's enough people playing to actually get balanced lobbies
wide fog
Devs have literally already said recently that they're looking at a solution but...
Oh wow I didnt know that
signal tangle
be careful meap the m4s will come out and call u a noob
wide fog
Forget that then hope wins in the end
wide fog
saying "nothing can convince them otherwise" without having the full context is ...
Honestly thats been the full public context for a year
If queue restrictions were initially received very negatively the first time it was implement drived many playtesters off the game people keep saying a lot how this ruins their enjoyment of the game and brings frustration having to carry randoms on ranked and they've been giving that feedback for the devs for a year and its been damaging their trust on them I think it's reasonable to say that if they are not changing their minds despite that but its ok because now we know they are working on a solution
sacred birch
Honestly thats been the full public context for a year
Yea tbf I can definitely see why people would come to those conclusions, I myself am of the opinion that they're not doing the best job when it comes to communicating to the actual players (outside of high elo)
wide fog
I miss PWYFF every Day...............................
wide fog
You know what saddens me is that I had a lot of fun playing with my friends unti...
There is hope now dont give up just hang on more
sacred birch
However I do appreciate that they're at least putting a bit more effort into releasing things like dev blogs to actually talk about/announce what they're working on
signal tangle
You know what saddens me is that I had a lot of fun playing with my friends unti...
u can still play with one of your friends
in fact its almost impossible to climb without doing it
wide fog
gray heron
Huahauhaahu
sacred birch
To be fair as I've said before I think, the bonus RP system just exacerbates the queue restrictions since it's so insanely easy to actually reach master
If that wouldn't exist a lot less people would actually reach that restriction and get to play as trio for a good bit longer
signal tangle
my biggest issue with the bonus rp for pre master is that it inflates ego (did it to me too) and a lot of people in d1-m4 think that because theyve put 100 or 200 hours into it, theyre somehow both GOATED
but also deserve to still play with friends cause they cant climb without it
theres a million issues with rank in this game but thats mine
wide fog
The strongest diamond gets folded by the weakest arena queuer
signal tangle
the strongest diamond gets folded by bots sometimes
gray heron
u can still play with one of your friends
I didn't even pay attention to that. I was so upset because I had been playing in a trio since the beginning that I didn't realize I could play in a duo. It doesn’t work miracles, but at least it’s good to know.
signal tangle
im pretty sure even in league when you hit master u cant just 5 stack to guarentee a win
like
ik im biased cause ive only ever soloq'd
but if it was harder to get to master, the restriction would make sense
and i think the majority of people in m3+ would agree
ive said it before but being able to 3 stack just means that you and your boys can stomp noobs to get to gm, making it all matter even less
the issue isnt "master cant q together"
the issue is "noobs are in master"
no offense of course
and that issue is because there are only barely enough people to play one or two lobbies as is at dead hours
anyone expecting a clean matchmaking, ranked experience with 100 players online is delusional
@thorn hemlock would love to hear u argue with good players in the chat now
sacred birch
im pretty sure even in league when you hit master u cant just 5 stack to guarent...
well league has 2 modes flex and solo/duo
so can't really compare to league tbf
signal tangle
you see what im saying tho
would it make sense for you to be able to play with 4 friends in solo/duo?
no, its just an advantage for no reason so youre not allowed to
and for sure at some point before the two ques were split you could que with 2 friends pre master
sacred birch
well tbf I don't think restrictions should be in this game either, but only if they can actually populate lobbies at all ranks
if not then yea making master+ harder to get and keeping restrictions is fine
signal tangle
well tbf I don't think restrictions should be in this game either, but only if t...
correct. i think removing the restrictions at 400 players wont solve anything
pray for 10k players then figure it out thats fine
sacred birch
sadly I don't think 10k would be enough either but it would definitely be a good start
signal tangle
but as is, 3 m3s on a team should have a 80% win rate and thats unfair plain and simple
signal tangle
sadly I don't think 10k would be enough either but it would definitely be a good...
agree
sacred birch
I'm going to assume around 20-30k+ would probably be around when this game can somewhat reasonably fill all ranks
with moderately high queues in gm+ I'd assume
signal tangle
i waited an hour and a half back to back for 2 games last night
in m2
i would RATHER
wait an hour and a half
but know my teammates and enemies are also m3
than it be filled with golds, even if i win every game
sacred birch
tbf a lot of people would be deterred by that long of a queue but I get what u mean
signal tangle
for sure im not saying thats best case scenario
im just saying if i have to suffer as is
at least let it be fun
sacred birch
ye exactly
signal tangle
stomping isnt fun
when u get 3 teams of bots running into you
on spawn
at least for me
i roll my eyes and think "wow 100 elo and its meaningless"
id rather get 12th after getting outplayed than play co op ai for fake points
sacred birch
I mean yea what can you expect when we're about to go below 1k peak by next week
signal tangle
for sure
sacred birch
pretty tragic
signal tangle
i think i might rejoin a scrim team or sumn
unfortunately most fun i had this month on sv was custom arena
and i hate arena
sacred birch
yea it's close to OB 😭
signal tangle
was it really more fun back then?
sacred birch
depends if you're asking about ranked or comp
sacred birch
well the game itself had way more structure
signal tangle
all factors included
sacred birch
you'd have like an actual game plan and specific paths you can take, now it just kinda doesn't matter
there were quests that would lead you in the right direction of what you had to do
signal tangle
interesting
sacred birch
vaults mattered A LOT since it was the only way to get powers besides shops
night bosses always spawned in same areas so they'd basically always be contested
similar to baron/drake in league
signal tangle
vaults mattered A LOT since it was the only way to get powers besides shops
perks or relics?
signal tangle
night bosses always spawned in same areas so they'd basically always be conteste...
interesting
sacred birch
well relics
powers didn't exist
perks*
also souls were like insanely good so once again another thing that was contested all the time
souls are like really not important anymore because not only are they just kinda worse you also drop them on death 🤷♂️
signal tangle
they were permanent previously?
sacred birch
yea
you'd have it basically like a "power-up" for the rest of the game
unless your team fully died then the team that killed you and looted team box would get the soul
The only issue the game had in OB unironically was just an insanely stale meta
you'd see basically same 3 hunters every single game
Myth/Oath + 1
usually KP or Bishop
and of course TTK was like waaaay too low
signal tangle
very interesting
lament jackal
gaining +2 players instead of having 1 will surely save this game!!11!one!1eleve...
Yes, when you multiply the amount of people joining, more people get interested and give the devs more incentive to work on the game.
If you weren't a smug know-it-all looking for your hit of ragebait, then you would know that.
signal tangle
b tier ragebait as always m64
sacred birch
idk if I can be asked explaining for the like 5th time why removing restrictions right now would be bad
signal tangle
idk if I can be asked explaining for the like 5th time why removing restrictions...
the person you are about to respond to (dont)
is a known troll and just started playing for the first time since ob
i promise they are not even at an elo that has restrictions on it
faint garnet
deadgame btw
stray schooner
I miss PWYFF every Day...............................
Don't forget.
sour leaf
Did pwyff even communicate lol
stray schooner
Speak for yourself ..
sour leaf
Don't forget.
I still find it funny that he acted like it wasn't literally his job to do this.
stray schooner
In the context yeah idk why he said this
I love the TC team even more now, that's all i have to say
plucky prism
https://tenor.com/view/you-cannot-ragebait-me-heart-twitter-reaction-gif-cat-gif...
he isnt ragebaiting hes serious 😎
wide fog
Don't forget.
Thats why I miss him
signal tangle
he isnt ragebaiting hes serious 😎
i refuse to believe hes not ragebaiting
ill lose faith in humanity
lament jackal
Something else I just noted: Your teammates will trust you enough to follow your advice if you're in a party with them.
I just lost a match in 2nd place because one random Joule I was playing with didn't retreat, and I think if we were in a party, we would have gotten 1st place.
So why not let people in Grandmasters and beyond play with friends?
lament jackal
U r 10y old man
Also, "10 year old man" is a perfect descriptor for them. 
gray heron
So why not let people in Grandmasters and beyond play with friends?
Because the developers seem to have forgotten that they are out of beta. Alright, I understand the restrictions placed during beta. The purpose of beta was to test the game, not to have uncontrolled massacres. But now the game has launched and they simply left it the same way. It completely goes against the purpose of the game, which is a survival scenario. If you want to have a better chance of surviving, you will team up with people you trust, not a bunch of random people.
gray heron
I just lost a match in 2nd place because one random Joule I was playing with did...
This happens to me all the time too. If it's already difficult during a call on Discord with my friends to align our actions and thoughts because we are people with different ideas and personalities, imagine with a stranger who doesn't even have a headset or microphone on. In what world does Theorycraft live that thinks this is going to work? This only makes the gaming experience stressful and discouraging.
lament jackal
I’m not sure why they aren’t removing the restrictions, then.
Losing points because some dumbass decided to not work with your team at all should be avoided as much as possible.
But I guess we have to keep them in the game, because removing it would somehow kill the game.
Except, it would do the opposite.
Because 3 is a bigger number than 1 if you aren’t a ragebaiting moron like some of the people on this server.
sacred birch
So why not let people in Grandmasters and beyond play with friends?
It’s very simple, the amount of players cannot support actually putting people against each other that are similar rank and top tier scrim teams will just be running every lobby they are in
It requires a solid amount of people to play for mm to work considering it’s 4 regions so I’m going to assume somewhere around 10+ to 20+k to get fairly good lobbies
But that would have to be consistent which just isnt realistically possible even for season 2
lament jackal
It’s very simple, the amount of players cannot support actually putting people a...
So your suggestion is to make teams higher up on the ranked ladder play worse?
Because that sounds like the only result of that.
sacred birch
So your suggestion is to make teams higher up on the ranked ladder play *worse?*
That’s quite literally my point neither of the 2 solutions are good but having restrictions is overall better
Restrictions are the least of their problems imo considering basically ~95% of people quit before they’re even affected, I think other things take priority
gray heron
Even if it is the smallest of problems, it is still a problem. And it is something simple to solve. What’s the point of focusing on a bigger problem and not attracting new players while on top of that losing veterans because they can’t find matches and can’t play with their friends? The ranked problem turns into a snowball effect. Because if players can’t find a match, they will play unranked. Unranked keeps gaining players while ranked is left empty. Unranked, besides not having the restriction of playing in a group, also has more players; it is much more attractive than the garbage that ranked currently is. If it’s going to be left as it is, just remove the ranked mode altogether and that’s it.
The right thing would be to play against players of a similar rank, but since there are no players for that, in my opinion they could remove this team restriction and simply give more bonuses to low-ranked players who defeat high-ranked players, while high-ranked players wouldn't gain any points for defeating low-ranked players. Or simply do as I said earlier: cut everything in half and make the match with similar-ranked players who are currently online. Half the map, half the teams, half the cost to enter the match, half the points earned for eliminating the opposing team, etc. The important thing is to play; I wouldn't care if there were 8 teams online or only 6, I just want to play.
sacred birch
Even if it is the smallest of problems, it is still a problem. And it is somethi...
As I stated previously, ranked restrictions are literally irrelevant to new players, a HEAVY majority of players quit before actually being affected by restrictions. Also simply giving new players more points for killing higher ranked players won't do literally anything, they just will not have any fun meeting full scrim teams every single game and getting fully ran over on repeat.
I've said this before and I'll say it again, until there's enough players to actually fill lobbies with people that are of similar rank/skill, straight up removing restrictions is not a good way of going about it, and yes it's realistically better to just keep them as is and work on other retention systems considering they're clearly having a lot of issues actually retaining players since most of them don't even get to the point where they'd care about restrictions.
gray heron
It takes an hour to find a match, and when I do, I can only play with one of my friends, and on top of that, after all this waiting, in just two minutes I find the opposing team where my other friend is, and I defeat him and his team. Wow, super fun the way the game is now, my friend spent an hour finding the match just to play against me and lose in two minutes, and now has to wait for my match to end and wait another hour for another match.
wanton ibex
And counting!
thorn hemlock
Ooooooh, but the discord’s expert said already, the solution is play with the Neanderthals on unranked breach. Have fun!
signal tangle
That’s quite literally my point neither of the 2 solutions are good but having r...
i warned you ab interacting with the troll
signal tangle
So your suggestion is to make teams higher up on the ranked ladder play *worse?*
i dont understand why you care about what happens to high rank ppl personally
sacred birch
Ooooooh, but the discord’s expert said already, the solution is play with the Ne...
I mean if you wouldn’t just resort to ad hominem and actually objectively think about what I said, you’d realise that what I’m saying is true.
rigid cove
When lift of master+ restriction
gray heron
Here in South America, things are so bad that on a Saturday at nine-thirty in the evening, there's no one to play. Imagine on other days of the week.
light bone
I wanna say something to people saying "Just play norms" if someone that was masters+ tried to que a normal game our mmr is so high to the point the que is litearlly HOURS
So no, its not possible to "just play norms" cause norms care about ur mmr so much to the point it just wont put u in a game
wide turtle
I wanna say something to people saying "Just play norms" if someone that was mas...
skill issue LOL
gray heron
For me, there wouldn't even be a normal match mode. Unlike other MOBAs, ranked play doesn't have character bans, so nothing would stop you from playing any character you want. And if you want to train, just go to training mode, or go against the AI, or go to the warm-up mode.
wide fog
Here in South America, things are so bad that on a Saturday at nine-thirty in th...
Remember that 90% of queuers quit before the queue pops
wanton ibex
Lets play another game...
gray heron
Not even MOBA Heroes of The Storm, which is an 11-year-old game, takes this long to find a match.
gray heron
I hope the developers have good ideas for season two, because if it continues as it is, they could go bankrupt. At the very least, remove that stupid restriction of not being able to play in teams with friends and add some more frequent and eye-catching events.
gray heron
Saturday and Sunday I was only able to find three matches. And today nothing. I will probably spend the rest of the week without being able to play. I will leave a negative review on Steam so as not to attract more players to this mess.
sacred birch
I mean repeating over and over again that they should be removed without adding any other reason besides "I want to play with friends" when there's COUNTLESS of reasons that they should remain in place at least for the near future, is just pointless
Also the very long queues are also because the game generally has very little players in general and on top of that you play in a region that is unpopular
making you able to queue as 3 will change basically nothing when it comes to how long you'd queue for
gray heron
I mean repeating over and over again that they should be removed without adding ...
As far as I'm concerned, it's fine if they want to keep this illogical restriction for as long as they think necessary; the ones who will be losing are them. I'm not the only one in Brazil who thinks this way, and from what I've seen, there are people in other countries who think like me too. It's just a matter of time before I find another game that captures my attention more and forget about this one.
gray heron
making you able to queue as 3 will change basically nothing when it comes to how...
Yes, it doesn’t change anything, but at least I don’t take an hour to find a match to play against my own friends and lose or win against them two minutes after finding them on other teams in the match. Waiting for their match to end to have the chance for the same disaster to happen an hour later. Playing together with them, we win or lose together quickly or not.
sacred birch
I don't really get how you can call it illogical when I've told you exactly what scenarios there will be if they get removed.
high elo teams/scrim teams will all queue together as 3 and just giga stomp every single lobby until everyone quits because there's just simply not enough people to actually fill higher mmr lobbies.
Just because it would benefit you specifically it doesn't mean they should remove them, try to think about what would actually be better for the game not just for yourself.
gray heron
I don't really get how you can call it illogical when I've told you exactly what...
It's illogical given the current game scenario. Few players and no rewards for those at the top. If it were something like earning life points, coins, or skins for the top 100 players, that would be fine.
sacred birch
I'd also personally enjoy having them removed but I also recognize that it would be a legitimate disaster if they do.
sacred birch
It's illogical given the current game scenario. Few players and no rewards for t...
considering season 2 is literally 2 weeks away and they're planning to advertise the game what do you want them to do ? Remove restrictions for 2 weeks then add them back in for season 2 ?
I can almost guarantee you that the amount of people that would come in this discord and cry "why am I playing against a full scrim team when I'm solo/duo q ???" would be insane
gray heron
I can almost guarantee you that the amount of people that would come in this dis...
This is all because the people are a bunch of crybaby babies, who have no potential or desire to grow in life or in the game. This is a reflection of humanity, which thinks it is easier to take down the strongest than to have enough grit to want to evolve.
lament jackal
considering season 2 is literally 2 weeks away and they're planning to advertise...
Just remove them and keep them removed.
It’s as simple as that.
sacred birch
It’s as simple as that.
No it's not "as simple as that", think about this scenario:
They advertize the game for Season 2 --> a bunch of new players join to try the game --> there's no restrictions ! --> there's very little people at master+ mmr to queue people against --> newer players get placed in games with way better teams --> this is obviously unfair and they'll just straight up quit the game
once again it makes literally no sense to not keep restrictions at least until this game can actually sustain and retain a good amount of players
it only realistically effects, I believe top 5% of players considering most people quit before that I'm pretty sure we wouldn't want to give them yet another reason to quit
It's better that they keep restrictions and just focus on other aspects/systems of the game that would make it actually enjoyable to play and that would retain players
gray heron
Why not remove this restriction and split the matches in halves according to the waiting time? If 12 teams are completed in 5 minutes with similar MMR, ok. After 10 minutes, lower it to 8. After 15 minutes, lower it to 6. After 20 minutes, play with only 4 teams... something like that. There's no need to mix everyone to complete. If there aren't enough players, patience, plan B.
sacred birch
I cannot imagine how unfun it would be to play this game with that little teams, even 8 teams on this big of a map would feel like a chore to actually play.
people already complain (and rightfully so) how farm heavy this game is, it would make it even worse if you lower the amount of teams.
gray heron
I cannot imagine how unfun it would be to play this game with that little teams,...
Reduce the map evenly during warming. They have the feature and it's not something difficult to do.
sacred birch
and how would RP even work in such a scenario ?
they'd have to do an overhaul on that too.
it's just way too much work for such a little issue...
gray heron
You don't need to be a genius to reduce all the values proportionally according to the quantity. Formulas do this automatically.
sacred birch
the problem is that this requires overhauls to things like the mmr system too, who to place in a lobby with who, when to start lobbies etc.
once again it's just way too much work for a non-issue
gray heron
The big issue is that they simply don't do it because they don't see it as a problem. Because from the moment something like that is detected, there is a solution.
sacred birch
because it ISN'T a big problem that they need to actually pay attention to
what you're telling them to do is basically just do a bunch of band-aid fixes that are just basically pointless
instead of actually focusing on fixing the game and core issues that made players quit in the first place
and no, ranked restrictions was not a "main reason" why people quit the game.
gray heron
Yes, it's a lack of strategy. In my view, every problem is a problem regardless of its size; you don't need to wait for a tumor the size of a grain to turn into a basketball to treat it. Efforts should be allocated according to the problem. Don't ignore the smaller ones to only address the bigger ones.
sacred birch
This would be possible if you were talking about a huge company that had the resources to work on a lot of things at once, this isn't one.
Also in game development in general you work on core issues first before adressing other small/smaller issues.
IMO this is a huge case of survivorship bias.
gray heron
I understand. I'm trying to do my part, which is to bring up the problem and maybe, in their own time, they will come up with the best solution. I just hope it's not too late, to the point where there aren't even any players left for it.
Thank you for discussing the LilMeap topic with me in a healthy and respectful manner.
gray heron
I keep imagining if this trend in the game caught on in the entire competitive scene. Imagine Japan or other weaker countries complaining that it's unfair for the national teams of Argentina, Spain, France, England, Portugal, and Brazil to participate in the World Cup because they have very good players together. Or, to make it more balanced, the players should be randomly assigned to the teams. I don't know where this game thinks that preventing good players from playing together is something good or normal to do. Just imagine the whining in some Olympic sports because some nations dominate the medal tables compared to others. All sports are wrong, and only this visionary game is right.
signal tangle
dumb comparison
gray heron
Do you know what’s more dumb than this comparison of mine? That illogical, unsportsmanlike restriction of theirs. 🤣
signal tangle
Do you know what’s more dumb than this comparison of mine? That illogical, unspo...
small brain thoughts
gray heron
small brain thoughts
I agree. It's really likely that this is what happened with the developers when they thought about putting this restriction.
gray heron
wide fog
90% of queuers quit before the queue pops remember that
signal tangle
yeah im sure having 2 more players for you on your team would change this
lament jackal
yeah im sure having 2 more players for you on your team would change this
Yeah, because having 3,000 players is more than 1,000.
signal tangle
Yeah, because having 3,000 players is more than 1,000.
well first off we dont have 1000 total across all steam servers but if you think that
then you lack critical thinking skills
but i was already fully aware of that
also you are in silver and play 1 game a week why are you a part of this discussion lol
sour leaf
we do have about 1k players just not concurrent. but it's more of an estimate
signal tangle
we have 1k daily peak on a good day
and again,
if anyone thinks 2000 players will flood in because they can suddenly play with their other master friends
i got bad news
theres like 500 people in master lol
and i think 10% of them que with friends/would come back
vs everyone else who (for some reason) is still willing to que up and get irons on their team every day
now they would have to face good players who DONT have to play with irons
(played 4 games today as m2/m3, out of all 4 i had one with another master, a game with 2 golds, a game with 2 plat4s, a game with 2 irons)
game is borderline unplayable as is, i will just straight up quit if every game im expected to carry literal children against zed/micah/krilo full stacks
and the argument for it is so stupid it hurts my brain to argue about
"b-b-but i cant move past m4 i need to be able to play with my friends on this game where rank barely matters as is!"
also, you can play with your friends by killing them
sour leaf
if anyone thinks 2000 players will flood in because they can suddenly play with ...
this isn't really the point tho, it's the fact the top players are literally leaving due to the restrictions
signal tangle
tell them to que up and stomp them
signal tangle
this isn't really the point tho, it's the fact the top players are literally lea...
no, theyre leaving because of the root cause of the restrictions
and you know that but in this discord people only want to argue
the cause of the restrictions being its a bad game and no one plays it
no one would care about the restrictions if we had 10-50k players
and everyone agrees about that
but we're discussing reality, and the reality is the game has 400 ppl online right now
id bet that as little as 5 3-stacked teams of good players would be enough to kill the na server instantly. make everyone log out forever
fuck bro i can barely make myself play as is because i have to teach every other teammate how to play the game while im starting with a 35 elo ante
gray heron
this isn't really the point tho, it's the fact the top players are literally lea...
Exactly like that, my friends who played together with me since bronze left the moment the restriction came when we reached master. I even tried to convince one of them to keep playing because it was still possible to play in duo, but the moment he found out that reaching Grandmaster wouldn’t allow duo play either, he already gave up. When I send them screenshots showing all this waiting time, they say I’m crazy for still trying to play this game.
