Where are the S-tier nerfs? And where are the "real" Low-Tiers buffs?

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(The "(op)" means i think they were truly op last patch)
High-Tiers
Brall(op) - buffed
Ghost(op) - untouched
Shiv(op) - untouched and was buffed last patch for no reason
Tetra(op) - barely touched, somgbow nerf supposedly gonna hurt her but I didn't even see her run that much tbh.
Elluna(op) - nerfed
Merc - nerfed
Beebo - buffed
Bishop - untouched, can't wait for her to still basically just delete me

Low-tiers
Hudson - nerfed due to dash engine nerf
Crysta - hearing that this might be a nerf instead of a buff
Felix - hearing he'll be weaker this patch as well. How true that is idk.
Wukong - i am literally only hearing about him being weak from wu players. Moat other top players I've heard from don't find him to be weak. But he still has his big bugs i think

There is a mix with the S tier nerfs but the biggest offenders were not even touched, and aome even got buffed. Where are their nerfs? Why was hudson's dash mana ignored when he relied on dash engine 2x more than brall(hearing he didn't even rely on it much)? Crysta could probably use a cd buff and where is that? Hudson's wires have needed some help but we're ignored again, why? Felix is currently being locked into a frontline build which a lot of felix's i hear aren't a fan of, even then with the whole cdr shit he strugfkes to have shield up enough.

[keen lily]

Ghost(op) - untouched

good patch

[livid eagle]

The Shiv one confuses me as well. Though bishop being unnerfed isn't surprising, there's like 5 good bishops and everyone else is really bad at her.

I think if they nerf her she becomes even yes less usable for the every-man

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That is fair perspective on bishop. Just so tired of shiv 4 shotting me without much counterplay to it.

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Oh yeah I did forget saros. He's just been doing fine. But with the item nerfs I see him struggling

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To add to this -
Anyone please, give me 1 other D-tier character than joule who has received actual buffs. And by "actual buffs" I mean smth that isn't just a little mana changes like crystas "buff" or Eva's buff that impacted the character so little.

They focus someone hard on nerfing the problem hunters that all the struggling ones have felt ignored to me.

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Doesn't ghost have the dash engine tax? And dash engine was nerfed heavily with no compensation. Solid nerf if true

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Did he run dash engine? I really didn't think he did.

At least he won't have bs mobility then

[slim tapir]

From what I've seen, it feels like a lot of already powerful characters got buffed even more.

I'm not sure why they didn't buff Hudson. He feels really weak for a big dude with a minigun.

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Low elos. I think they're looking at the stats overall which will likely show he's "fine". And it's just so ass.

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This is also how I feel and why i made this post. Just feels like they got stronger when they were already problems.

[slim tapir]

I've also been playing Beebo recently, and I feel like he's got a lot of skills that are super overpowered when used right.

I know that's probably the point of the character, but I don't think strapping a jet engine to a race car is fair for other racers.

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I spent an hour on brall, and I was doing bettwr than on Hudson whi ibhave hundreds of hours on. that shit is not ok nor is it insanly hard.

I feel like they might be balancing around some hunters being hard but ao many of the ones they are balancing like that just, are not that hard.

[slim tapir]

Let alone the fact that his slingshot seems to have no cooldown.

[limber hearth]

Jin got buffed and a lot of Jin’s were saying he’s bad (personally think he’s fine) but buff was cool

[slim tapir]

And the fact that his bomb is one of the best finishers in the game, he's got one of the best supers, and the no cooldown on his slingshot being offset with RNG means jackshit.

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Ig not wrong, I just never considered him F - tier personally

[slim tapir]

But sure, TheoryCraft. Tell me all about how Hudson is perfectly balanced.

I imagine it's the same reason you refuse to make female characters that aren't the same Barbie doll mold: You're just too lazy to do anything else.

[jaunty cipher]

Bro had to bring another design problem to another threads

I can also tell he didn't play beebo by saying it's finisher

🤓

[limber hearth]

Also they nerfed a lot of the high tiers with items, high tops gone, cdr in exotic class now

Having lower mobility profiles allows Hudson to at least have a technically slight buff due to lower mobility = harder to dive personally think brall should have had a little bit more mana issues would’ve been fine

[limber hearth]

I personally don’t either think he’s solid B tier not great but functional, with the hightops gone def a bit rough tho

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The only s tier hunter I think got hit hard enough was tetra. The rest i just don't see it. I can kinda see brall but ghost i still see being stupid as fuck, and shiv has insane base dmg ao idk if item nerfs will be enough.

(also i haven't played yet ao be aware)

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He might be able to catch people better but that isn't really an issue for him.

There is a chance wires might actually be able to deploy fast enough but I gotta play it to know that(they fuxking never deployed fast enough before)

[limber hearth]

I think shiv is dependent on how items feel but I think ghost will probably need a nerf, I think they’re holding off on drastic changes until they see how the new system will work considering they buffed shiv when armory was introduced id say that’s a safer bet

[limber hearth]

It’s less so about catching people in my eyes and more so being able to play defense, if a character has less mobility against Hudson that’s always a buff

[crisp ruin]

For brall he was pretty reliant on dash engine since he would actually run out of mana from dashing. Dash engine on ghost tho I’ve never taken even when songbow lowered his dash cd

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Idk if hudson ever really even wants to play defense tbh. With a healer he can do that ok ish but it still tends to be better to just play more offensive. It's also when his wires can get the most value, amth like a felix Q into them or kp stun or zeph nade; thwt gives him the most value with them and they are all offensive.

The less mobility csn help but the main reason I think it might help is due to being able to catch people better, especially since it's the biggest thing he lost with 1.0.

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She just hasn't felt item dependent cus she has basically killed me in 3 shots no items.

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I'll probably write smth about it once I actually play the patch. Just doesn't sound too good aside from idol

[keen lily]

i dont understand

1. why the guy who brags about not playing the game is talking about balancing
2. people are entertaining him haha

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we're literally just having a conversation. I don't speak to either of these people all too much

[jaunty cipher]

i will always try to entertain mr 64 its pure entertainment

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Yep guys, hudson is even less of a character than he was last patch. And idol and songbow are pretty mid on him cus they don't work on dashes. Oh how great that is.

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Wait Vulture doesn't even play?

[keen lily]

no the other guy

the guy who talks about nothing but female design

in literally every thread

pretty sure hes an elaborate troll and if thats the case i love it

[wide tusk]

While i agree the female designs are uninteresting, that's honestly like the least of the issues with the game. so annoying seeing that everywhere

[keen lily]

based and truthpilled

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show the time played past 2 weeks

Wait i don't think you can for yourself...