#2 weeks long patch for that ?
sudden arch
sudden arch
We are talking of 38*50*2 = 3800 hours of work
?
pure rock
38 hour per week 2 week 50 people
sudden arch
but they always also work on other things that aren't on this patch
waxen meadow
yeah because fore sure they are working 24/7 on current season 1 patch, is not like their most time goes to season 2 which will happen in like 1 month from now
waxen meadow
I mean no patch in season 1 can cause any rise of players
pure rock
nothing can then
waxen meadow
if anything has the potential to bring back players is season 2
pure rock
because it wont listen to active player base
waxen meadow
then leave it instead of being a jerk on discord
pure rock
then leave it instead of being a jerk on discord
already done 🙂
cause i cant play with my friends
another cool feature !
waxen meadow
you are still doomposting in the discord
waxen meadow
with the addition of having dunning kruger thinkign you could fix the game or bring more players, how cute you are
dunning kruger is a bit outdated
it shoul be called now reddit syndrome
pure rock
surely blocking people from playing with friends will help
pure rock
it shoul be called now reddit syndrome
reddit was always right
game was meant to be downfalling
waxen meadow
is not like we played a version of the game before without any restrictionwhich also failed
pure rock
2 week for this is crazy
it's not crazy, it's SHAMEFUL
pure rock
is not like we played a version of the game before without any restrictionwhich ...
maybe because they were so STUPID that they mixed RANKED and UNRANKED
- RANKED SYSTEM sucks
waxen meadow
and why they mixed ranked and unranked I will let u reach the conclussion
lavish hound
wait, why is it so bad to say it's too little for 2 weeks of work?
pure rock
and why they mixed ranked and unranked I will let u reach the conclussion
Cause they went in VACATION for the RELEASE WEEK
AHHAAHAHAH
pure rock
wait, why is it so bad to say it's too little for 2 weeks of work?
because this guy is in PURE COPIUM
waxen meadow
wait, why is it so bad to say it's too little for 2 weeks of work?
because its end of season the big patch is coming next month not now
copium? I dont even play
pure rock
ahahahahahahaha
timid sparrow
skin for every champ no?
pure rock
even more funny
round compass
because its end of season the big patch is coming next month not now
end of season is next month?
waxen meadow
this game without 100k+ players (invented number,) doesnt work I just realized it instead of asking for impossible tasks
lavish hound
because its end of season the big patch is coming next month not now
end of season? lol a season of 3 months cannot be adressed in a way they keep nerfing the actual season to work on the next
waxen meadow
end of season? lol a season of 3 months cannot be adressed in a way they keep ne...
it was stated on different interviews that seasons would be 3-4 months max
opal mango
that takes lots of time
palatte swapping 24 hunters worth of textures might take a single day. Maybe another to make sure it looks okay.
opal mango
these skins are real interesting...
timid sparrow
palatte swapping 24 hunters worth of textures might take a single day. Maybe ano...
i dont think thats true
pure rock
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
timid sparrow
this game without 100k+ players (invented number,) doesnt work I just realized i...
tru
waxen meadow
surely matchmaking with 50 k player is not enough
you dont get what is needed to balance lobbies of 40 players, you are just clueless asking for magic buttons that will create things that you want but you dont understand what is needed for those things to work.
pure rock
you dont get what is needed to balance lobbies of 40 players, you are just cluel...
I am asking for ACTUAL UPDATES
waxen meadow
50k between NA EU LATAM and ASIA is a failure
lavish hound
it was stated on different interviews that seasons would be 3-4 months max
my point stays, it's to little of time between season to work on the next one nerfing the actual. Work by the season, not by these supposed future. IMO
lavish hound
50k between NA EU LATAM and ASIA is a failure
hey, wait, there is also us on the divide, SA lol
its even worse
waxen meadow
hey, wait, there is also us on the divide, SA lol
yeah I called you latam
lavish hound
Oh ok, latam, get it! sorry!
timid sparrow
yeah 47k was not enough
need 67
round compass
this season was a failure, they are acknowledging it and put in the absolute minimum effort and probs focus for season 1
pure rock
probably minimum 100k to be functional
pffffffffffffffffffffff
round compass
season 0 was nothing more than an unofficial beta test for whatever reason
waxen meadow
season 0 was nothing more than an unofficial beta test for whatever reason
oh no, it was officially called beta
round compass
Where?
crystal pelican
season 0 was nothing more than an unofficial beta test for whatever reason
now we testing 1.0 🔥
round compass
but yeah game was nowhere near ready to launch
personally would rather have them delay the game
waxen meadow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWOKVH9Vy14&t=2s it always was open beta
timid sparrow
im gonna make my own supervive. on a private server
waxen meadow
it wasnt launch until july 2025.
timid sparrow
only the most elite players can join. will be perfectly balanced and all skins will be free
and theres no arena
we will call it project supervive
ps for short
waxen meadow
like I dont know how is theorycraft handling this
we will now eventually
but i dont think its a secret the numbers are not sustainable
pure rock
They probably fired communication team
waxen meadow
if we are lucky we will get another re-launch, if not... well, have fun while you can
brightest future is omegastrikers status
pure rock
Join us on DEADLOCK
pure rock
what does DOA mean ?
waxen meadow
dead on arrival
I could write a long essay on why deadlock will fail but this is not deadlock discord
round compass
timid sparrow
Join us on DEADLOCK
deadlock is so lame lol
zealous kelp
Does.... Does sykii think any games succeed?
pure rock
deadlock is so lame lol
you just dont like TPS
timid sparrow
you just dont like TPS
i dont like shooters at all
i think i would unironically have more fun playing overwatch than deadlock
and thats sayin somethin
pure rock
yeah, i get that deadlock is not for everyone
timid sparrow
oh also i should mention i was early tester for deadlock and had very high winrate
and am permanently banned
spring wedge
I used to love TPS and I feel like deadlock is the worst aspects of the games I love 😦
waxen meadow
Does.... Does sykii think any games succeed?
you dont need to be a soothsayer to know how a game will perform after trying it and knowing how industry works.
You didnt need to be smart to know marvel rivals would lose 90% of its playerbase
timid sparrow
so its not like i havent played it
i played it a lot
i was banned for pausing the game a bunch
zealous kelp
oh also i should mention i was early tester for deadlock and had very high winra...
You abused the pause feature to make people quit.
timid sparrow
thats on them its a stupid feature
yeah
i did it to get pausing removed
bad devs
same as this game
pure rock
pausing is great
round compass
deadlock has a daily peak higher than supervive's all time high
timid sparrow
"hold on guys my doordash is here i know you just ulted but ill be right back"
zealous kelp
you dont need to be a soothsayer to know how a game will perform after trying it...
Seriously, what is your metric of success.
timid sparrow
deadlock has a daily peak higher than supervive's all time high
tru
pure rock
great feature
I mean, it's 3 time per game at max
timid sparrow
valve would close if it wasnt tho tbf
pure rock
if you cant take that then your a fucking cry baby
waxen meadow
Seriously, what is your metric of success.
to achieve the aim of the game. For example newest hoyoverse announcement, project anima will succeed, and they target correctly their audience
timid sparrow
iit used to be 3 per person, each person from both teams
zealous kelp
i did it to get pausing removed
Blaming the devs for you exploiting a feature in bad faith is wild.
timid sparrow
im not blaming the devs for anything
im saying having a pause button in a moba is fuckin stupid lmao
waxen meadow
Blaming the devs for you exploiting a feature in bad faith is wild.
didnt ppl blame devs for armory when ppl abused armory
timid sparrow
would you defend the supervive devs for adding a pause button?
or would you say "hey maybe thats fuckin stupid actually"
pure rock
to achieve the aim of the game. For example newest hoyoverse announcement, proje...
Wow such a skill to know that people are addicted to gambling and so a GACHA will succeed
zealous kelp
would you defend the supervive devs for adding a pause button?
I'm not saying whether it's good. I'm saying you abusing it is on you.
timid sparrow
ohhh im a dev and i put in an easily abusable and poorly thought out feature i sure hope no one abuses it ohhhh geeez
pure rock
Casino exists for centuries
waxen meadow
anyway the TLDR of deadlock is that it has way too many mechanics, on a world where every third person moba has failed for good reasons and the artstyle is niche.
will be artifact 2.0 unless they do some big swings on their last phases of development, removing 1 lane and making it only 3 lanes was a good choice for example
zealous kelp
to achieve the aim of the game. For example newest hoyoverse announcement, proje...
So like... Fortnite and hoyoverse games are the only models of success?
waxen meadow
So like... Fortnite and hoyoverse games are the only models of success?
is not a secret we are currently on a huge crisis of GaaS games, every GaaS that has released since 2019 has failed except valorant
timid sparrow
I'm not saying whether it's good. I'm saying you abusing it is on you.
alright lets argue in good faith then
me and you are on opposing teams in a ranked game
and just as you ult, my doordash arrives
youre going to think
"well, this may have changed the outcome of the game, and definitely took me out of the game mentally, but at least he got his doordash"
or youre going to think
"man i hate that you can pause this game"
is it a good feature or bad feature
pure rock
"well, this may have changed the outcome of the game, and definitely took me out...
low mental if this takes you out a game
that's all
timid sparrow
low mental if this takes you out a game
oh man i am not allowed to see whats going on in front of me after casting my abilities for the next minute, must be my mental
zealous kelp
The pause is still there. It's jarring, but every time I've seen it it's either immediately unpaused, or it's to let a disconnected buddy reconnect.
timid sparrow
this unprompted and unexpected pause just happened i have to LOCK IN my thoughts for when he unprompted and unexpectedly unpauses again
timid sparrow
The pause is still there. It's jarring, but every time I've seen it it's either ...
you must not have played much
round compass
are you malding over deadlock's pause feature?
timid sparrow
are you malding over deadlock's pause feature?
nah im just derailing a thread, rather successfully
as per usual
pure rock
if you cant wait 15 secs
timid sparrow
if you cant wait 15 secs
you saying "i can wait 15 seconds" =/= its a good feature
im sorry to break it to you
add a pause to literally any other game and see if people like it or not
actually remove it and see if people care that its gone
timid sparrow
if you cant wait 15 secs
if YOU cannot wait a few minutes for the game to end maybe its your adhd?
waxen meadow
if YOU cannot wait a few minutes for the game to end maybe its your adhd?
just order doordash better
timid sparrow
just order doordash better
literally
its not 9 other peoples problem that you have poor time management
pure rock
if YOU cannot wait a few minutes for the game to end maybe its your adhd?
15 minutes is 60 times more than 15 secs
just for your info
zealous kelp
nah im just derailing a thread, rather successfully
I know its your MO, but it's such a petty victory if "people engage me in good faith, the fools" is your goal. That's not a being rhetorical mastermind. That's being a tedious jerk.
timid sparrow
I know its your MO, but it's such a petty victory if "people engage me in good f...
nah its just another part of the meaningless convo in a dying game's discord
its one more person making the discord not look dead if anything
timid sparrow
15 minutes is 60 times more than 15 secs
so you ordered doordash while in the game?
and its 9 other peoples fault?
pure rock
so you ordered doordash while in the game?
i'm not a big fatass
i'm not ordering any doordash
timid sparrow
youre advocating for them
waxen meadow
I spent years practicing the art of ordering food in the middle of the game so it would arrive at the end of it, let me enjoy my skills
waxen meadow
or waiting until the deathtimer hits 60seconds so I can go to pee
pure rock
when i want to eat i simply take my ass of my chair and go to the kitchen to cook
timid sparrow
and you would pause the game first to do that?
pure rock
I just wont launch a game when i wanna eat
waxen meadow
I just wont launch a game when i wanna eat
yeah that sums why pause is just annoying, just plan your time better, skill issue
timid sparrow
I know its your MO, but it's such a petty victory if "people engage me in good f...
also, this is a very ironic message considering this is a thread based around being a tedious jerk to the devs. would you rather i stay on that topic so you can chastize me for doing it on topic instead?
pure rock
yeah that sums why pause is just annoying, just plan your time better, skill iss...
fair point
timid sparrow
pair of nuts wins again
timid sparrow
imagine pressing join que, picking yoru champ, loading screen, and then still needing to pause
its still just time management
people afk at the beginning of supervive games too, we should pause for them?
zealous kelp
also, this is a very ironic message considering this is a thread based around be...
I'm mostly deciding to disengage from what seems like just strife between different sects of doomerism.
timid sparrow
so youre... derailing the thread by not engaging with the thread, and then announcing it as if youre some rhetorical mastermind?
interesting
very interesting
seems like we're not so different you and i
candid schooner
No hudson buffs 0/10 patch.
But actually this patch good as hell bro
timid sparrow
i agree
good patch
is it the most efficient tradeoff for the manpower?
who knows
but it was a good patch
timid sparrow
balancing patches should be less often tho, no?
at least once the game is in a decent state
last crag
Ngl. devs should be more active
pure rock
IMO should be every week (not like changing a value in a map/object is hard)
timid sparrow
Ngl. devs should be more active
what, in the discord?
last crag
and retract 1.0 but called it beta testing again
timid sparrow
IMO should be every week (not like changing a value in a map/object is hard)
they changed the map, balanced, added skins
they should NOT do the first two every week
timid sparrow
im talking about patches
like
this week they changed map, balanced champs, balanced all the items, and put in free skins and added an event
sure maybe the last 2 they can do every week, but thats kinda useless atm
and the first 3
hell no
do not do that shit weekly
left meteor
why not
last crag
wait, these balance should be done in the first week
at least for items
it's Not Hard to realize Cdr items are broken
timid sparrow
it's Not Hard to realize Cdr items are broken
well they finally did
last crag
and we have 2k ccu now
timid bear
Is this not a huge patch? I'm confused what OP is complaining about.
midnight minnow
outside of the map changes, no not really
and while the map adjusts gameplay patterns in those areas, the core gameplay of pretty much every hero is the same
the main difference i see is wukong has almost 0 incentive to max rmb first now
timid bear
Y'all some of the most ungrateful, impatient, greedy, childish gamers in existence I swear.
patent spire
the only truth is that they dont care about our opinion!
The only thing that matters is what nidhogg says, if he says that jin is broken, they nerf Jin, if he says that they dont have to do marketing, they dont, and thats it.
Hope i could summarize our situation in 1.0 rn
pure rock
Y'all some of the most ungrateful, impatient, greedy, childish gamers in existen...
joined august 9
I can understand your hopium
You can't understand my deception
timid bear
Deception? A typo surely.
timid bear
Thought so.
Well first of all, I played in beta. I was masters rank. So finding my join date on this discord account doesn't mean what you think it means.
Secondly. In my opinion it's been W patch after W patch since 1.0 came out. 2 weeks to wait for a patch like this is nothing in the grand scheme of the gaming world. Especially when there were good patches before it like clockwork since 1.0.
20+ new skins (yes, they are not legendary quality so what?), map changes directly in response to community feedback, balance changes, item changes. All in response to the pulse of the game.
I think it's so disrespectful to make threads like this honestly. It's like getting served a full course meal consistently, and whining that you're not getting your dessert of choice RIGHT NOW
pure rock
It's as respectful as saying
"Could you please provided us a list of bug so that we can fix them before 1.0" and not doing a shit
Patch are great but feel to little
And try to fix problem that are imo not the priority
The new map is meh but the fact that you cant play with your friend is the WORST
Everyone will hit master at some point (because ranked system is also MEH) and will quit the game cause they cant play with friend
already happened to most to player
- Let's not mention armory
timid bear
The new map is meh but the fact that you cant play with your friend is the WORST
I agree. I think this needs to change and it's a big issue for the game. Make a thread about that then? Keep drawing attention to the really important issues. I would upvote it.
Don't make a whiny, snide thread like this. It's childish, like I said.
pure rock
I agree. I think this needs to change and it's a big issue for the game. Make a ...
they left this discord
they dont read a fuck here
timid bear
Yes they do
pure rock
nop
timid bear
And threads like this clutter up what they need to read through
pure rock
last #MEGATHREAD
timid bear
If anything you're contributing to the problem
pure rock
You clearly dont know what happened to this discord
Before last megathread dev were usually hanging here answering questions
Then 1.0 happened
And it went down the drain after people complained about the balance + armory system
They even said "we wont micro communicate anymore" or something likee this
timid bear
I have personally interacted with Devs on this discord since 1.0. I guarantee you that they read it.
Just because they don't answer every trash, whining thread like this doesn't mean they're not here
vernal imp
Before last megathread dev were usually hanging here answering questions
A dev answered a question in another thread today…
timid bear
Wow, one thread? They avoided 'real' answers?
Well that proves it. The devs must be gone. They've abandoned the discord for their game 🤡
Like I said, the level of entitlement and childishness is off the charts
vernal imp
All real answer in this thread they avoided
I had a quick skim and it didn’t look like that to me, I see plenty of answers.
pure rock
I had a quick skim and it didn’t look like that to me, I see plenty of answers.
It's either lies, or pure bullshit
mighty shore
pure rock
I had a quick skim and it didn’t look like that to me, I see plenty of answers.
Still a lot of people complains about queue time for unranked
timid bear
Should they snap their fingers and fix it immediately?
timid bear
Do you think that means zero in the entire game?
Are you going to tell me with a straight face that you believe that no Hudson has ever won a game since 1.0?
pure rock
pure rock
Are you going to tell me with a straight face that you believe that no Hudson ha...
Are you going to tell me with a straight face that you believe that Hudson are succeeding ?
candid schooner
It was at .3% back then.
AND they were talking about iverall nit just top of the top.
timid bear
Are you going to tell me with a straight face that you believe that Hudson are s...
Yep
Could he use some tweaks? Probably.
pure rock
COPE
candid schooner
It was at .3% back then.
AND they were talking about iverall nit just top of th...
Did feel kinda dumb cus he's been dogshitfor a while but you're misinterpreting it
timid bear
Does he have a 0.0% win rate in all regions, game modes and skill levels? Nope
I have a working brain and I used that to figure it out
How old are you OP? Just curious?
candid schooner
Bro why does that even matter 😂
pure rock
Bro why does that even matter 😂
bro believe i'm not an adult
timid bear
I just want to know if I'm talking to a literal teenager or not
pure rock
23
pure rock
I just want to know if I'm talking to a literal teenager or not
Teenagers does not exists on supervive
it's a myth
like me
candid schooner
I just want to know if I'm talking to a literal teenager or not
It's like asking for a rank. Cool but like who cares? Somwone could be masters and srill not be good so it's literally pointless
pure rock
It's like asking for a rank. Cool but like who cares? Somwone could be masters a...
Everyone is master at this point, no ?
timid bear
It's like asking for a rank. Cool but like who cares? Somwone could be masters a...
It helps me to know whether he's stupid because he's still a kid, or just stupid for the sake of it
crystal pelican
I am not! I don't play!
pure rock
I have a working brain and I used that to figure it out
Ok einstein, can you figure out why player count is dropping ?
candid schooner
Everyone is master at this point, no ?
Anyone with enough time in the game is d+.
crystal pelican
It's indeed little number of changes in comparison of the changes the game needs but then hopefully it's being work on right haha right
candid schooner
Yea... sure
pure rock
They still have budget, i hope...
crystal pelican
For example mana stuff was mentioned month ago
I wonder if they backtracked or didn't make sense out of it
Technically same result
crystal pelican
They still have budget, i hope...
They do dw
candid schooner
For example mana stuff was mentioned month ago
I mean they did kind of fix this issue with the early game mana buff. Have literally not seen anyone complain about it since then
pure rock
For example mana stuff was mentioned month ago
They answered a question on this discord today. We're fine
crystal pelican
I mean they did kind of fix this issue with the early game mana buff. Have liter...
I complain ez
pure rock
mana is no big deal
crystal pelican
Not on beebo 😭
candid schooner
I do still love this game and enjoy it but it definitely has some issues they just aren't looking at rn.
candid schooner
Not on beebo 😭
Noob doesn't have dash engine yet, imagine.
pure rock
Not on beebo 😭
Beebo is a broken champ, dont play it ty
crystal pelican
2.0 maybe will fix it...
crystal pelican
Noob doesn't have dash engine yet, imagine.
Ye 83% armory and still nothing
crystal pelican
Beebo is a broken champ, dont play it ty
Skill issue
candid schooner
The way mana is handled is weird. Dash engine is required on so many hunters or they're oom 99% of the time. Hudson becomes a standing rock without dash engine cus he can only dash 4 or 5 times
pure rock
Einstein left the thread, i guess i'll call it a day, gn
sudden arch
it reset every patch and this data is only from the top 100, it's irrelevant
timid bear
Ok einstein, can you figure out why player count is dropping ?
I can't. I wish I could. My leading idea would be ungrateful, childish idiots for a player base you OP
candid schooner
It is irrelevant due to the fact they were referring to his strength overall.
midnight minnow
Well first of all, I played in beta. I was masters rank. So finding my join date...
i mean the premise is that people think that patches are too small
they are solid patches
but, for example, when i heard about healing items being buffed i expected things like last rites and rampager to get buffed
but it was pretty much just 1 omnivamp item and festering jawblade(which is an antiheal item btw)
the idea behind the patches is great
just the magnitude of them feels like small for each section
even if the overall scope is large
cosmic mist
cause i cant play with my friends
Bro is not high enough rank for that
merry gyro
the game dipped below 3k players, anything we can do?
timid sparrow
the game dipped below 3k players, anything we can do?
yeah tweet about it
pure rock
the game dipped below 3k players, anything we can do?
Don't worry, devs answered recently in this disc
last crag
round compass
I mean they did kind of fix this issue with the early game mana buff. Have liter...
Mana is still abysmal dogshit on stuff like Elluna
Quite literally unplayable without dash engine
candid schooner
Mana is still abysmal dogshit on stuff like Elluna
It is for almost half the cast bro ._.
round compass
Don't care didn't ask 
Jk
But yeah just remove mana at this point
Half the hunters never have mana issues because their abilities cost 6 mana and fully refund it when hit while others have 30+ mana cost on every ability for fun
timid sparrow
Mana is still abysmal dogshit on stuff like Elluna
mana engine perk
and buy potions
timid sparrow
oh no this super high damage has some cost associated with it
round compass
Are you dense
round compass
Firstly this isn't a moba, secondly I said make Jin and Shiv have mana costs
candid schooner
Then force Jin and Shiv to also run out of mana with 1 rotation
Removing mana would literally break brall and elluna. And prob some more.
round compass
I did say remove mana because it's a meaningless stat at this point
Half the hunters don't give a fuck about it and the other half have 2 perk slots dedicated to make mana irrelevant anyways
timid sparrow
Firstly this isn't a moba, secondly I said make Jin and Shiv have mana costs
this isnt a multiplayer online battle arena?
weird when did they change it?
timid sparrow
Half the hunters don't give a fuck about it and the other half have 2 perk slots...
buy those perks then
candid schooner
Half the hunters don't give a fuck about it and the other half have 2 perk slots...
They already changed it so a lot of characters pretty easily go oom apon spamming._.
midnight minnow
this isnt a multiplayer online battle arena?
if you take the term literally, any multiplayer game with fighting would be a moba
so unless you wanna call overwatch a moba just to be intentionally dense, i dont think using this definition is correct
timid sparrow
if you take the term literally, any multiplayer game with fighting would be a mo...
well no overwatch is a hero shooter
midnight minnow
can hero shooter mobas not exist?
timid sparrow
wait im confused it seems like youre arguing just to argue
or do you agree with the person i responded to
that mana should be removed?
they got mana in overwatch and fortnite?
midnight minnow
i disagree with your reasoning
that is all
timid sparrow
my reasoning on why mana should be in the game?
midnight minnow
your reasoning on what constitutes a moba
timid sparrow
lmfao
well by what you just said supervive and overwatch are both the same %moba as br/hero shooter
and we were discussing mana lmfao
midnight minnow
wdym by what i said?
i didnt define moba, im just saying that what you said cant be correct based on what people do and dont call mobas
timid sparrow
wdym by what i said?
i didnt define moba, im just saying that what *you* said ca...
are you ai
was battlerite a moba?
is the arena mode in this game a moba?
and now finally
is supervive br heavily influenced by mobas, making it a moba br
midnight minnow
could be, more so than battlerite, and yes but moba influence doesnt automatically make a game a moba
timid sparrow
got it so arguing just to argue
the reason i said moba in that sentence
was because the guy said to remove mana
midnight minnow
your reasoning is poor
thats all i said
midnight minnow
your reasoning on what constitutes a moba
^
timid sparrow
50% rounds up half the time it is a moba half the time it is a br
what are you even talking about lmfao
midnight minnow
calling supervive a moba just because its a "multiplayer online battle arena" is poor reasoning
cause again, thatd make any multiplayer game with battling a moba
timid sparrow
no it would make supervive a moba, because it is
saying overwatch is a moba with that term is nonsense
because overwatch isnt a moba
this is boring i dont wanna argue with circular reasoning bots today
😭
midnight minnow
overwatch isnt a multiplayer online battle arena?
weird when did they change it?
timid sparrow
no, its a hero shooter 🙂
midnight minnow
you cant have multiple genres in one game?
timid sparrow
you cant have multiple genres in one game?
you can, but overwatch doesnt
and u know that
and youre just trolling
midnight minnow
im using your own reasoning
cause its poor
timid sparrow
no youre not lmfao
midnight minnow
thats like the entire premise of what im saying
timid sparrow
supervive has moba and br elements
overwatch does not have moba or br elemnts
it can not be either of those things
no, actually youre not saying anything
youre just weakly trolling and its boring
and off topic from not only main thread
midnight minnow
if your concept of supervive being a moba is "multiplayer online battle arena" thats dumb
if you wanna say its a moba because of (insert moba elements here) then go ahead
but multiplayer online battle arena means nothing
timid sparrow
but also what i was saying, which is mana shouldnt be removed lmao
not responding to you anymore ❤️
midnight minnow
ok i guess
poor reasoning go brr
timid sparrow
midnight minnow
ppl be assuming anything is ragebait nowadays and dont know how to have a discussion, idk my bad
timid sparrow
actually i got bored quickly lmao im back already
ill take the bait
which it most certainly is
midnight minnow
yes because you know my intentions and how i am as a person
timid sparrow
no i dont
this is the first time ive ever spoken to you, mr anonymous profile and pfp
midnight minnow
thats not true
but its not like we talk all the time
timid sparrow
if it isnt the first time we have spoken i am shocked
cause i do not remember
lets start from the top
tell me what defines a moba
go ahead
lets just pretend im wrong and stupid and need you to tell me
midnight minnow
id say a traditional moba is a game with lanes, creeps, towers, and a progression system with champions/heroes/players working to shove waves of minions to destroy/take over enemy territory at a baseline
and you can deviate from there
timid sparrow
i didnt say what is a traditional moba i said what defines a moba
in the current reality we live in
and i didnt ask for your opinion on it
midnight minnow
id say a traditional moba is a game with lanes, creeps, towers, and a progressio...
if your game derives from these systems you can argue that its a moba
or at least contains moba elements/is a moba blend
timid sparrow
i asked for you to define it
midnight minnow
you cant define a genre
its subjective
timid sparrow
definitions cant start with "i would say"
or else my logic would apply
but you know what
lets actually use your definition
midnight minnow
all definitions are subjective
its why you can misinterpret words or sentences or phrases even if they use the same words or grammar
im just saying that you trying to call supervive a moba via the acronym "M.O.B.A." wouldnt fly unless you also want to call a lot of other games mobas
that ppl wouldnt consider to be mobas
timid sparrow
youre saying that overwatch has heroes and players working together to farm minions?
midnight minnow
not at all
i dont think ow is a moba
timid sparrow
all definitions are subjective
its why you can misinterpret words or sentences o...
oh i see the disconnect
you think
that when i spelled out moba
as multiplayer online battle arena
you think i was saying the definition is strictly those 4 words
but no i was just EMPHASIZING the name of the genre
because supervive is in fact moba influenced
and you werent actually talking about any of the context of the discussion i was having
you were just nitpicking my definition based on what you thought i was doing, not that i was emphasizing it for the sake of my argument
because you ignored the conversation i was actually having, and therefor had no context
vernal imp
as multiplayer online battle arena
I believe it’s a “multiplayer”, and not “mobile” online battle arena…
midnight minnow
he said multiplayer before
midnight minnow
because you ignored the conversation i was actually having, and therefor had no ...
yeah pretty much
timid sparrow
i see
midnight minnow
that was the disconnect
vernal imp
👍
timid sparrow
so you are just arguing to argue
good on you mate
turns out i was right all along
midnight minnow
i said from the start that i only had an issue with your reasoning
and nothing else
midnight minnow
yeah, thats the disconnect
midnight minnow
if thats how you wanna put it sure
timid sparrow
i put it that way harshly
but with that context surely you can see how i took you as a troll, no?
midnight minnow
harshly but not unreasonably
midnight minnow
but with that context surely you can see how i took you as a troll, no?
ofc
timid sparrow
and you could see how the whole convo was unecessary from the start
and could have been avoided if you read the convo?
now to the meat and potatoes
the thing that was being discussed
do u think they should remove mana
hahahahaha
midnight minnow
oh i knew the convo was in the context of mana
i just specifically had an issue with what i interpreted to be your reasoning
midnight minnow
do u think they should remove mana
but to answer this question, i think that if they're gonna keep making mana as problematic as it is, it may be better to remove it
but preferably mana should make the game more dynamic and it should differ per hero
atm it just feels
annoying
and inconsistent
although, mana does act as a decent way to like curb some hero's builds
because you need to spend a perk slot or 2 on mana depending on the hero
so you can make their kits/item interactions more interesting to compensate
but atm i dont think thats really being utilized
timid sparrow
i just personally feel it is only problematic like, level 3
when fighting right after drop
midnight minnow
yeah once you get some levels or a perk mana kinda stops existing
which is part of why i dont think its wrong to want mana to be removed
it simplifies the game a lot, but mana isnt being utilized to its fullest anyway
and its presently creating more problems than it solves
i dont honestly know how to implement mana systems "correctly," i just know that it felt bad on 1.0 release, and now its the opposite
feels ignorable for most of the game
mana in traditional mobas can serve as a way to force characters to return to base, or force them to focus on mana for their early game
but supervive being a fast paced BR doesnt have those elements to the same degree
having to spend 250 for a mana perk isnt the same as having to save up gold for 5 minutes in lane to buy a decent mana item
recalling to base in supervive isnt the same as going back to base in LoL or dota
timid sparrow
i think fundamentally mana in moba is to regulate ability spam on casters
it is a trade off for dealing damage
or for escaping it
or healing
midnight minnow
yeah, i mean, it serves a lot of purposes directly and indirectly, which is why it feels more interactive or interesting in those games
but in supervive i just dont think mana has that same depth
it could
but it hasnt felt that way for me so far
id rather see mana adjustments than a mana removal though
midnight minnow
force ppl to walk back to base in ow xd
would definitely create some awkward moments
kinda like this one vid a guy did where he added limited ammo to ow
it was interesting
idk if id say better, but definitely different
timid sparrow
force ppl to walk back to base in ow xd
would definitely create some awkward mom...
no just add vivebrews
and gold
tardy pilot
actually remove it and see if people care that its gone
DOTA wins again.
tardy pilot
oh i knew the convo was in the context of mana
i just specifically had an issue ...
Good decision. If you meet Buddha on the road, correct his argumentative framework.
wooden cliff
hybrid oasis
this patch is so good though wtf
candid schooner
The only thing I agree with him is the balancing is taking too long. I do wish they'd do number changes weekly and the bigger stuff bi-weekly like rn
hybrid oasis
i can agree that the information this patch addressed was most likely available in time for last patch
fierce lagoon
TBH its such a quitter mentality to quit after this patch
candid schooner
I'd quit last patch but no way this patch. I was prettu close but this shit great
hoary gorge
TBH its such a quitter mentality to quit after this patch
Real ones quit last patch
drowsy mortar
this patch is so good though wtf
I'm ngl dawg I click on their profile and if I see sEUpervive or eu region tag I just ignore them
candid schooner
Wow what is this eu hate. Seeing a lot recently
drowsy mortar
Wow what is this eu hate. Seeing a lot recently
they r just a disproportionate number of ppl that want to flame the devs
when there is no point
some ppl just talk like that like silent
some ppl just talk just to talk
candid schooner
Reading through sEUpervive and that is indeed literally what it seems like
Eu also seems less popular than na now, wow
raven scroll
TBH its such a quitter mentality to quit after this patch
I have 0 clue why it's after this patch
pure rock
when there is no point
cya in 2 weeks
raven scroll
I definely have some issues with how it feels to play rn
but this was one of the best patches in a while
The biggest issue is so many characters just building essence reaper/health items
and being super hard to kill, while still doing damage
drowsy mortar
cya in 2 weeks
if u stick around sure
raven scroll
Personally I also feel some characters get so much compensation for no reason.
Why is shiv getting a buff this patch? Like her items are worse but they were buffing her survivability
not really her damage much
And even then I think shiv still needed nerfs xP
nimble bear
No Jin nerfs best Patch ever
candid schooner
Jin in the most healthy state he's ever been in. If i don't hate jin thwt should mean he's good
Not too sure how consistent his(almost) 1 shot is now cus one of the items for it got nerfed and I haven't played him this patch. But at least one patch he was a true assassin and it didn't feel ba cus his mobility was more in check.
(I honestly don't like the way of jin players view jin, been driving me insane for a while tbh)
drowsy mortar
Jin in the most healthy state he's ever been in. If i don't hate jin thwt should...
he's in an okay spot rn
doesn't feel good as a jin player
candid schooner
Still see jins do cool stuff. And the stuff doesn't feel like complete ba like before lol.
Watching a jin(pre dunk nerf) get 5 dunks kn a row should be cool, but it really didn't feel cool cua those dunks were literally free.
fierce lagoon
Real ones quit last patch
Real cowards
hoary gorge
Real cowards
Not using a product you're not satisfied with is a valid form of feedback that should not be dismissed with claims of cowardice
No true Scotsman fallacy
midnight minnow
The biggest issue is so many characters just building essence reaper/health item...
yeah i mean, there isnt another way to get good survivability
you just stack hp or go vive infusor and ur good
self healing items r TRASH and anitheal is really obnoxious
it existing in your lobby = build hp instead of healing
honestly i think the game would benefit a lot from a wider choice of relics
or maybe letting people take more than 2?
i find that 2 is very limiting, and it makes it to where some ppl get "full build" within the first night
you cant afford to maybe go self healing if you might run into a felix because half of ur relics are just suddenly worthless
but if you have more, you can take it without losing so much power
and it would take ppl longer to reach their max build
i do think itd be hard to warrant 3 relics without more choices though