#We need a solution for ranked restrictions before it’s too late

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bitter walrus
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does it?

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johnny first game's opinion has a change because he typed it in the discord?

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johnny 100 games in bronze message in discord should have weight to it?

mossy basalt
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yes - it informs experiences for new players and at lower skill bands

bitter walrus
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they should try just playing the game

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or watching youtube

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which leads me to MY issue with sv

mossy basalt
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i think you’d be surprised at the player experience for lower skill brackets and how much it differs from yours for example

peak quiver
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It's about what's considered okay and what isn't. Evidently the line for what isn't okay is past bug abusing/prisma farming and we haven't encountered it yet.

I'm just asking us to be better about it. I have played with so many high elo folks and can comfortably call some of them my friends. I know that plenty of them knew prisma farming was bad for the game but did it anyway because others were. It was a feedback loop of people farming, not being held accountable, and that encouraging the next wave of farmers. If we stop the loop early when the first people start doing it we can absolutely stem the issue at large.

All it would have taken was a community leader or figure to step up and tell people it was wrong or hold them accountable in some other community driven way.

I don't disagree that disillusionment is a major contributing factor. I just think community leaders could have done so much more.

bitter walrus
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i think i know more about the current new player experience than alpha testers and mods

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and i have 6 refs for people that play daily

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they are currently in gold and we started a scrim team cause i dont want to derank with them

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and guess what

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when they say "i think it should be this way"

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theyre wrong

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and they dont type it in the discord

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and if they did

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theyd still be wrong

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and we're super off topic mr mod

mossy basalt
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i’m not a mod catrose3

bitter walrus
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oh my bad

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i dont know the colors

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lol

peak quiver
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Sincere pair of nuts is my favourite pair of nuts

bitter walrus
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❤️

keen prawn
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Because theres actual somewhat competition in league. THIS IS NOT THE CASE for supervive, everyone is dogshit in soloq as rank is fake asf and u can get matched with new players

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Like how is that even remotely comparable to league

mossy basalt
bitter walrus
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theres MORE competition in sv cause theres only 100 good players

bitter walrus
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the group youre talking about

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is 95% of all people playing all games

mossy basalt
bitter walrus
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and this is a thread on high elo rank restrictions

mossy basalt
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right i’m not saying you should take their opinions as facts

bitter walrus
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no you shouldnt take their opinions into consideration at all on this specific topic

mossy basalt
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but yeah LOL idr the original
topic

bitter walrus
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its at the top of the screen or u can press go to original post button

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lmao

mossy basalt
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mobile sucks man

bitter walrus
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fair enuf

mossy basalt
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i mostly wanted to comment on a few specific things earlier

bitter walrus
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im just yappin i actually dont care what happens as long as the movement stays the same

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id love to see more players but that wont happen without better marketing and giving players a reason to make content

mossy basalt
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i think movement is one of the few things this game really landed yes

fading warren
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I think the solution is to put strict matchmaking for legends with 1 hour queue so you are not in their games

vagrant forum
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IMO the current solo queue experience at Legend is quite good, and its the best its ever been -- as long as people view it as a solo queue ladder and not try to make it into something else

fading warren
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Or maybe they are hypocrites and only want to stomps low masters ( so they it doesn't feel like farming complete bots )

crude vector
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I’m not trying to imply no one can enjoy pure solo q… but I don’t in this game, and I think a lot of (most) legends don’t either

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It’s hard to view it as a truly solo q experience when lobbies include multiple smurf duos and my teammates vary randomly game to game

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Anyways, I think scrim numbers speak for themselves. I’d love to play the game nightly with friends in competitive lobbies but rn even if I grind solo q I don’t get that opportunity very often

inner panther
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Reading through this thread be like:
Stay on topic challenge level: impossible

keen prawn
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The reason ALL the top players are not playing the game is because of restrictions

inner panther
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Garoh if I could throw a tomato at you I would

keen prawn
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You remove restrictions and most of them are coming back and you can tighten MM so problem is solved

inner panther
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Garoh's a parasite in these threads dude, literally exists to bait people into engaging with his bad faith takes

peak quiver
inner panther
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Has been corrected on his stance like 3947383 times, still types the same stuff

fading warren
inner panther
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Nah but look at this, it's so disgustingly bad faith

keen prawn
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Have a good life dude

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I will not ever interact with you again

fading warren
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Wait guys i'll go on the league discord I think faker is crying because he can't queue with fkg t1 in ranked

inner panther
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Ragebait used to be believable

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Bye bye garoh

fading warren
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Legends used to have 70% wr against plats

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Ty restrictions

real cloak
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I mean, what should happen is to remove restrictions and tighten the mmr on a way that either a game with full legends or gms starts or the queue LITERALLY does not pop

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no bots no wided matchmaking with time

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only legend/gm games or infinite queue.

agile roost
agile roost
fading warren
agile roost
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Just should be Solo/Duo queue top to bottom. Remove bonus points. And don't allow for climbing to happen with below top 6 placement and boom ranked is fixed

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But this game truly is not fun when no comms happen and or you don't gel with whoever mm gives you so I understand the need to want to queue with other people. Like I think solo / duo is a fine system especially for a game that necessitates communication like this one.

Full stacking is another issue in itself IMO

acoustic smelt
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i agree with Kenneth that guy is too wise

graceful slate
inner panther
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I just sat in queue for 1 hour 5 minutes just to play ambulance for my "diamond" team mates :DDDDDDDDDD

glad knoll
inner panther
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I won't tell anyone what to do, but what I think we should do is mass block Garoh as they only seek to sow dissent in any thread they've ever entered. Not worth entertaining

fading warren
hybrid verge
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I'm about to queue hight hours what should I prepare

tacit gyro
hybrid verge
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Great thank you I'll try to outrun his brall

tacit gyro
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Bouta run into a brall that got fed by 4 bot teams, have fun!

bitter walrus
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bro i need tighter ques so bad

hybrid verge
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Hold me tight brother

bitter walrus
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bro i know this is off topic but i will actually quit playing this game if i have to wait 15 minutes for a game where some gold guy hot drops and i just instantly lose 35 elo

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every other game

acoustic smelt
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gold not even the problem its plat and diamond lol.

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silver and gold players are boosted to plat and diamond just from hours spent playing. matches them with better players bc of rank and the lobbies are just really shitty for a ranked system.

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u can get a beast team and run the lobby or have 2 plat/diamond players that just played enough to rank up. most games have ppl stuck in ranks for a reason lol.

viscid osprey
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I have friends with hundreds, maybe thousands of games in bronze in league. They'd probably be diamond in supervive with that time

inner panther
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definitely*

tacit gyro
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Let's be real, they'd prob be gm at least

acoustic smelt
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not gm

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but 100% diamond if they spent that time playing even if they suck at supervive theyll climb

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and boom now they are high enough rank to play with masters/gm

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its why ranked sucks. its also the main reason solo q sucks. solo q isnt bad cuz cant play w friends, its bad cuz u get legit noobs while against a random 3 stack that got lucky. in RANKED.

bitter walrus
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we dont have enough players for it but there should probably be a solo q and a duo/trio

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even playing with another competent person in solos boosts you 5 full divisions

acoustic smelt
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yea that was a discussion long time ago. its just playerbase issues that limits that, if we had a lot of players we should 100% have solo q only.

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the main discussion was actually about 4stacks in masters/gm basically. like for solo q players that are in that rank it would suck to just be versing 4 stacks every game.

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i dont mind the current system, just hate the rankings. a lot of players are turbo boosted and get to play in higher rank lobbies which makes higher ranked players have a more dishonest rank since they can be farming noobs in games etc. its just kind of wonky rn and cant take it serious at all.

hybrid verge
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I am the definition of noob player

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I go in I never anchor never watch scrims so I always ego fight everyone and lose often and don't think in terms of macro. I am an arena pilled bottom feeder.

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How can I help?

bitter walrus
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wen i see 1 legend stuck with randoms like me i know theres a chance

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when i see a 3 stack i literally dont wanna play that drop

hybrid verge
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Yeah the legend player gets to feel us out and then decides whether they'll anchor or play more aggro but more often than not they need to be on anchor duty

acoustic smelt
bitter walrus
acoustic smelt
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ngl u guys overthinking legend players lol

bitter walrus
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people playing the training mode are the backbone of this community ngl

acoustic smelt
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they just play aggro

bitter walrus
acoustic smelt
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only time they anchor is when they are playing elluna build

bitter walrus
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dont know when to fight

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or engage

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or run

acoustic smelt
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yea cuz ppl dumb

bitter walrus
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and theyre on MY team

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lmao

acoustic smelt
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yup

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u ping retreat like 1 year before they even need to fully leave cuz uk its bad and u got caught and they are like chillin then start walking backwards while attacking enemies

hybrid verge
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Hmm yeah when you put it that way it is optimal to play elluna as an anchor

acoustic smelt
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which loses them move speed lol

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the new elluna build just makes reviving so op and ur so tanky u just live til endgame and can usually win off revives and third partying

tacit gyro
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I love when my 2 randos run into a team 3 levels ahead of them then spam me like I'm the problem for not fighting that. Feels great

acoustic smelt
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u are the problem

bitter walrus
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im gonna get banned responding to them eventually ngl

tacit gyro
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Dw they like never ban idt

bitter walrus
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oh man

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ima make some enemies then

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i only have 1 atm

acoustic smelt
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who

bitter walrus
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littlepkid

acoustic smelt
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LMAO

round flicker
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Its already too late lol

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its been too late a week after 1.0 dropped.

bitter walrus
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to ban me?

crude vector
bitter walrus
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maybe i caught him on a bad day or sumn but he was losing his mind the only time ive ever played with him

crude vector
bitter walrus
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yeah ik -_-

crude vector
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i have a skin now

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i am an elluna player

bitter walrus
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oh its over

crude vector
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if u were in lobbies with 4-5 stacks of 2 legends

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and sometimes got them on ur team sometimes didnt

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statistically ud get them less than u do get them

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like me and lemur

bitter walrus
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i mean tbh

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i wouldnt care

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m1 is good enough to carry

crude vector
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ok but if u get

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2 diamond 4s

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vs me lemur and a gold

bitter walrus
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hmm

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hmmmm

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yeah scales still HEAVY in your favor

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i probably wouldnt bitch about fighting you

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id bitch about fighting WITH golds

crude vector
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lemur?

bitter walrus
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or diamonds in this case

crude vector
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you as in me and lemur

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or me and someone good

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like 2 ppl

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just clarifying if thats what u meant

bitter walrus
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either

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you lemur gold vs 3 nuts, you probably win 7/10 times

crude vector
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so hypothetically if u got 2 diamonds on ur team (acknowledging that these are not lol equivalent diamonds, more like lol equivalent gold-silver in most cases), and u faced 2 challengers + a bronze, you think that would feel ok?

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what if theres half the lobby full of me/lemur variants

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  • a random noob
bitter walrus
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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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can they nerf brall first

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then im fine with it

crude vector
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theres always something op

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ive been 1v3ing u on elluna

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i play like 10 champs

bitter walrus
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i fuckin

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know

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😭

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idk i think that if u include legends

crude vector
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i was a joule and ghost otp

bitter walrus
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its an improvement

crude vector
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for a while

bitter walrus
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because then you can take away gold and plats

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from the pool

crude vector
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u might not be able to do that ever

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but ya my hope is that

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with duo enabled

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bigger ante

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for duo

bitter walrus
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oooooh

crude vector
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then u can actually play the game

bitter walrus
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i like the bigger ante idea

crude vector
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at legend lvl

bitter walrus
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actually yes

crude vector
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with a friend

bitter walrus
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its a pointless thing im about to say and i am aware of it

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i think more players fixes all problems

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ooooh

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on top of ante there should be bounty system

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if im 3 stacked with plats and i kill the ham lemur team i get the extra ante

fading warren
hybrid verge
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You shouldn't be able to hit whatever rank because of playtime

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Then again it's hard to quantify skill in terms of rank

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What is the benchmark in the current rank system

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According to ham

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It should be 3 masters player vs him and 2 actual diamonds

crude vector
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Rank is playtime based up until master I believe

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Master-> gm takes a bit of skill and gm+ takes skill to climb consistently

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But yeah diamond in game could be iron-plat lvl

hybrid verge
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Right so the RP formula is too lenient. If you add in like -rp per death it would make people think a little bit more about their act and in fact might make people averse to fighting.

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Which would make them better sheeps

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Have an overseer ai that watches and all decisions taken by each player and give a composite performance score

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Yes yes yes

bitter walrus
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keep your clanker ai shit away from me

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dont want nobody analyzing my clicks

bitter walrus
bitter walrus
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lets go

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hit master for the 4th time

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immidiately get a gold hotdropping me back to diamond

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good thing i waited 20 minutes for that

crude vector
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I got top 5 starting a month into OB

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Only disadvantage for u is ppl have been playing a lot longer this time

near narwhal
bitter walrus
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memorize the 100 people that play and know which ones you can 1v3 i guess

crude vector
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So you are going to have a very hard time unless you change champs or saros get buffed

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When you are solo you need to play a character that can run

hybrid verge
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CARBINE holy

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zed on ghost 😭

tacit gyro
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In solo que really any hunter works fine. Just fucking play who you like. Hudson ass but I will always play him

near narwhal
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I guess its pretty naive to expect to be able to climb to legend on every hunter. Still, that's the ideal imo

viscid osprey
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yeah its pretty cringe that the meta is running away so characters that can do that are artificially boosted, but its always been that way with brall/jin (and now wu, elluna) being top tier because they can run away/run down teams

near narwhal
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Cars in theory act as a counter point to that now

viscid osprey
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idk they run to the cars faster too

fathom temple
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if ur a human u can just smack people off car

hybrid verge
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okay but like robot lives matter too

sleek rune
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Just smack them off the car so they zoom off the screen just as fast 🔥