#The female character are not just oversexualised, they are straight up poorly designed

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gentle summit
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honey mustard or cesar milan please sir ellunahi

rotund crystal
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somehow whatever u said has made more sense than anyone that supports this thread lol

gentle summit
# rotund crystal somehow whatever u said has made more sense than anyone that supports this threa...

This is why also after all this time and activity it still has 18 stars only. There can be very good takes or truth aswell but reality is most ppl dont care about these things, and especially when game is doing as bad as it is... imagine devs focus actively on these kinds of things what would most players that dont give a shit think. Yeah... so while maybe in ways devs should listen it isnt and shouldnt be a priority. And if they want it to be then they need to be reasonable and find common ground which often times is not realised or is even ridiculed at. Like me saying some shit about the boobas being saggy but instead of asking why getting a random last airbender joke/insult. Like just ask if i think thats actually a bad thing or if im just joking around or something instead atleast idk. People care too much for how little others care thats it

pliant prawn
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ik everyone who uses female characters in this game are gooners

rotund crystal
rotund crystal
quasi heart
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Today I learn where all the discussion is going

hollow crane
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yeah its all in here

flat grove
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tbf this was the most tame thread this week

gentle summit
hollow crane
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looks like nyx was such a success that no one is upset about female champ design anymore

crude spire
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You are real obsessed with this thread arent you?

flat grove
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Yeah if you just bump the thread for no reason one more time ill time you out

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thats like the third time within a few days

gentle summit
vocal crest
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Pair of Nuts and Vulli in this thread

gentle summit
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noo im way too chill for thata ahahaha

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but yea maybe fknit

trim ingot
raven frost
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U and Vuli should just take over

heavy magnet
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It's an old discussion, but it's interesting to see Vuli react in a very not normal way. rocketW

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Also, I'll stop being "puritan" when objectification stops being shoved down our throats.

uncut mason
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holy fuck this discussion is huge, kinda doubt TC hasn't seen this by now

raven frost
heavy magnet
raven frost
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You dont hate cakes you hate sugar

heavy magnet
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They're the ones trying to convince you that if people cut back on cakes, then sugar will be banned.

gentle summit
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i legit just click supervive discord and click some channels and write some shit on the spot

trim ingot
raven frost
gentle summit
raven frost
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Bro called me racist

inland apex
timid vortex
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I didnt read the text. Just too much.

But I agree. Most female chars are same. Skinny and big "parts"

I think thats super cringe

hollow crane
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I've only been timed out once ever what lmao

flat grove
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yes i just deleted ur messages for the past few times, you know well enough atp. just sotp doing it.

hollow crane
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Can we at least make sure this thread is archived and not deleted when enough time has finally passed

hollow crane
storm belfry
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this thread needs to be used in studies

hollow crane
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Agreed

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This is the single most important supervive thread in existence

rotund crystal
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these guys lost the plot now theyre talking about desserts lol

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ill tune back in a week and these guys gonna start yapping about tricycles or something

hollow crane
gentle summit
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u could enter discussion with someone on call

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and after 3 minutes of talking they wont even remember what u started saying so they are confused

vocal crest
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I mean, you don't send a Ph. D student to talk to the elementary school about career choices. You send the fireman. I think most people just realized there wasn't an intellectual debate to be had.

inland apex
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Of course there isn't, it's a bunch of men talking about women.
There wasn't debate to be had because the only people who's opinions matter are legit women's.

flat grove
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the funniest thing in that regard was when i said that a shirt is worn commonly and was told that that means they choose to sexualize themselves, by a dude. Thats kinda why i stopped interacting with this

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I think theres too many dumbasses with extreme opinions on a matter that really isnt that big

supple ruin
inland apex
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And they're usually terminally online

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I understand what you're saying tho

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This is post is mainly from the societal point which unless you're a women, you really have no say in what is okay or not okay for a female character.

supple ruin
vocal crest
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Unless you are an anthropomorphic fox you really have no say in what is okay or not okay for an anthropomorphic fox character.

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Very reductive reasoning and quite easily exposed too- Try a more persuasive argument.

storm python
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this thread is still going???

raven frost
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Why are you plebs criticizing nyx? Are any of you sentient Ais trapped in a dead human body??

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Im actually on week 2 of injections in my arm so I can finally participate in kp discourse abt his design

flat grove
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Or just generally dont understand alot of the things that are normal for women.

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And i know most of you dudes that have such extreme thoughts on both sides cant seem to get it but ill say it again: Women dont exlusively dress for you.

broken wharf
vocal crest
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There are also enough examples of people misinterpreting, projecting, what-abouting, or otherwise immediately veering off the conversation in an effort to stand on a perceived moral or ethical high ground.

Again- this conversation is not about what women like to or dislike to wear. There are quite a few women out there with extremely different fashion tastes and what they wear is entirely up to them.

For the record, these are characters in a video game and are entirely fictional. They are not making any choices themselves as characters when it comes to designs, but rather the artists are in full control.

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Attempting to lump the person you are arguing against into a class or group and then disparage that class for a perceived fault or shortcoming of the group is also a pretty poor discussion technique, for the record.

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Lotta things need to be said for the record around here I guess..

flat grove
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So you agree that men often have bad interpretations of these things

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Often enough to see that as a general problem

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Because no other point was made, outside of me thinking choosing to wear a shirt is choosing to sexualize urself, idk what ure even trying to argue.

vocal crest
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Yeah, there are quite a few examples of people who have presented their identify as male above have a pisspoor interpretation of feminist issues and discussions. You are in fact one of the main people who this describes.

flat grove
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Should you take every bad take arround these things or try to apply build up reasoning behind every clothingpiece of a fictional character?
Obviously no

flat grove
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Esp at the current age, most of the time people with extreme believs are the main reason why these issues get ignored.

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ure a prime example of that just like most of the people in here that caused the discussion to be ridiculed so heavily

vocal crest
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📽️

flat grove
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You dont try to be reasonable urself, or argue, you just put up a strawman of me applying something to characters when i never did

vocal crest
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You seen one of these cool pieces of tech before?

flat grove
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Classic luke behaviour: dont argue the points or give any examples, just say shit for the sake of saying shit lol

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And then feel smart

inland apex
vocal crest
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Was what I said above not an argument?

inland apex
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Terminally online behavior, like I said

flat grove
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I didnt disagree with it, it was simply not argueing the point i made.

vocal crest
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I don't really need to argue my point because your text, your actions both taken and not taken, and the ease with which you switch to ad hominem attacks illustrates the truth of my argument.

flat grove
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So i corrected it and explained why it didnt, but instead of just aknowledging that you went straight up "OH YOU HARM FEMINISM", again without anything xxD

flat grove
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like

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youre so delusional man

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And its like this every time u start interacting with me too xD

vocal crest
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In what way is that a personal attack? I was pointing out that you are demonstrating the characteristics you seem so quick to highlight in others.

flat grove
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So you dont argue my points made, you just straight up attack me personally without any reasoning whatsoever, its good
I do the same thing but actually point out the reasons why i think that way and give examples upon ur own behaviour: AD HOMINEM!!

vocal crest
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There is a reason it is the trolls and you left typing in this thread and none of the people who actually wanted to discuss this with each other..

flat grove
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And thats what u then point out towards me, even tho i criticize it and cant remember ever engaging in that kind of behaviour?

trim ingot
flat grove
inland apex
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Tbh, just archive it and move on. It was a pointless discussion to be had regardless

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This is some 2013 type shit

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When we've moved passed and grown as a society when it comes to this

flat grove
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People will just make new threads and if we keep closing them theyll keep making them. I think the only real way of solving this issue is being able to time out people from making them or giving them a cooldown which i dont think im able to do non permanently. I think keeping this one open and trying to moderate it from people just bumping it without trying to have a new discussion happen (like a new character release or argueing other designs)

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Theres a ton of similar threads atp

inland apex
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I doubt there will be anyone left at this rate to continue making them

raven frost
flat grove
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you could make that point about every thread, just look at the "i couldve saved the game" ahh threads

inland apex
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True

trim ingot
flat grove
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You made this point urself lol

trim ingot
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but still like she could use some more armor

raven frost
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Please direct your criticism to the character with which your sex and species closely matches

inland apex
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Her boots are DOGSHIT

flat grove
flat grove
raven frost
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That is the logical conclusion of your point imo

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The only point im here to make is that yours was stupid as fuck

flat grove
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Ah ok what was my point again?

inland apex
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It was my point

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Which is so funny

raven frost
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Ohh you have dementia my b my b ill link it

flat grove
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Go for it. Id love to see it

inland apex
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💀

raven frost
trim ingot
inland apex
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Are you mixing shit up?

flat grove
raven frost
flat grove
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Does this say that u have to be a woman to talk about stuff that applys to women

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Have i said that?

inland apex
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Yes

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That's what it exactly said

flat grove
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weak ragebait

inland apex
flat grove
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ive seen better from you smh

bright smelt
inland apex
trim ingot
flat grove
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its always peak cinema to talk to this minority of extreme people that think theyre the cream of the crop of intelligence but lack reading comprehension to a degree that i genuienly ask myself how they made it past the account creation without being offended.

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Guess they got the paqt tutorial

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the goat of making accounts

bright smelt
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I need more people for the tournament, please join the game
elluna_gooby ellunahi

flat grove
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XD

bright smelt
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🥹

inland apex
bright smelt
inland apex
flat grove
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If you take longer typing paqt will probs also jump in here and tell us to hop on arena instead 💀

trim ingot
bright smelt
broken wharf
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Anyone wants to group to queue for domination

bright smelt
indigo verge
raven frost
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The idea that a man telling you a shirt is worn by a woman to sexualize themselve combined with you saying men typically have bad interpretations of these things presents the idea that you did not seriously consider the point because a man made it and they are not thr best judges of why women wear the clothes they do. This like Luke said disparages men for a perceived fault without actually examining the argument. It could be that men are bad judges of why women wear the clothes they do and that person could still have been right about why that woman wore revealing clothing. I simply took that argument to its logical consequence. How can I as a human understand why nyx an Ai wears those stupid boots?? Humans have had bad reads on Ai before right? It dosent really matter what my argument is. Because some people have been wrong about it before that means my argument should be immediately disregarded

flat grove
indigo verge
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bro just doubling down on another strawman

raven frost
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It was also a bit of hyperbole

bright smelt
flat grove
bright smelt
indigo verge
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the actual conversation you're referring to was talking about keyholes in women's tops, and you saying it's worn commonly without the intent to sexualise oneself

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then me saying that just cause someone doesn't have the intent to sexualise, doesn't mean that a piece of clothing isn't societally seen in a sexual context

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in the same way that i know plenty women who wear lingerie as part of an outfit, without the intent to sexualise

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but lingerie is still inherently a sexualised type of clothing

raven frost
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I dont like that argument because its strawmanny and unproductive. Sexualization is a topic men should be able to communicate about without being immediately disregarded because of bad apples in the bunch. Furthermore even in the original argument its true that women wear it to secualize themselves sometimes. Thats not even a bad thing. I dont even see where the original argument was so bad it should've been disregarded

inland apex
indigo verge
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'you are a man so you cant have an opinion on this' is a stupid copout answer that means literally nothing

inland apex
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Easy revive

raven frost
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I am not offended by this (because I think your stupid anyways) but I guess it was important to clarify that point for the other dumbasses

indigo verge
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i'm nb, i'm usually treated as "one of the girlies". i discuss these things with my female friends all the time

raven frost
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I dont rly care about gender and allat (thats why my pronouns arent listed) its reductionist and stupid no matter where you fall on the gender spectrum

flat grove
# indigo verge in the same way that i know plenty women who wear lingerie as part of an outfit,...

you can wear alot of things as part of an outfit and its still not seen the same as it would be when worn alone.
The entire point i made back then is that at least where i live i see it quite common and that again, you are no societal or moral authority on what women wear.
Skirts are also often seen like what u claim about Keyhole tops, Cami are much much more revealing than keyholes and are worn by women in public in summer for example, i made a ton of points that u back then didnt even engage with at all just to make the same point u made back then now thinking i wouldnt just tell u the same thing i already said in the example

inland apex
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So based

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I think the 4 people who actually take this topic seriously misunderstood that most people are just trolling you

raven frost
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Oh yeah I know

inland apex
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Nothing that I've said I seriously believe

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LOL

raven frost
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Thats why I didnt type an essay to u bc ur obv trolling

inland apex
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I'll just be upfront

indigo verge
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like it's some big own

raven frost
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And like that's fine half the ppl in this thread troll to some degree

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But nerryl actually believes what hes saying

indigo verge
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it just shows you are disingenuous and can't engage in a serious conversation

raven frost
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Thats why I typed the wall at him

inland apex
raven frost
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Also he said im ragebaiting and I dont like it when my serious point is confused for ragebait

inland apex
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Le hyper owned!!

indigo verge
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fellas is it terminally online to question systematic sexualisation of women in media

flat grove
indigo verge
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is it terminally online to give a shit about women and how they're treated

inland apex
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Yes

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flat grove
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People have an extreme opinion and will say whatever they can to just keep that opinion, its just looks alot more stupid if its also something that is so stereotypical that its laughable hence why i brought up that example to begin with

flat grove
inland apex
indigo verge
broken wharf
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Omg thats a cute wolf

trim ingot
flat grove
inland apex
broken wharf
raven frost
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Now i feel stupid for typing that essay

flat grove
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Well, as i said, reading comprehension is something people lack in here broadly.

indigo verge
indigo verge
inland apex
indigo verge
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ironic

raven frost
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Most of the people in here without reading comprehension are the people who are to ragebait

flat grove
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He was doing it towards me twice

indigo verge
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interesting

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so what is it you actually do then

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if not moderate the conversation

flat grove
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Did he try to ragebait anyone else? Hes been argueing ur points.

raven frost
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I only ragebait back

indigo verge
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he straight up said he doesn't believe in anything he's said

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and you want to pretend he isn't ragebaiting lol

flat grove
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the entire ragebaiting attempt on me was to ridicule the points made to begin with

indigo verge
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mr reading comprehension

raven frost
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Some people in here have a goal to ragebait and never to actually talk avoid the topic

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And you allow them to derail

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I think thats weird

flat grove
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where

broken wharf
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Where

indigo verge
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@flat grove are you trying to tell me this guy is not ragebaiting?

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inland apex
indigo verge
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the guy who basically said 'im just ragebaiting yall btw i dont actually believe anything i say'

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is not ragebaiting

flat grove
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give me a link not just a screnshot

indigo verge
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mr reading comprehension

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scroll up like 20 messages bro

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holy

broken wharf
raven frost
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I cba to scroll through every convo and get cancer just to prove a point that you then wont do anything about personally

flat grove
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and i cba scrolling if someone already has the message up anyways

indigo verge
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#1407460293281583124 message

raven frost
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Actually

indigo verge
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your job

inland apex
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I was trying to reply to it, mobile discord is ass

flat grove
# indigo verge mr reading comprehension

reading comprehension has nothing to do with missing a message, its about understanding the message u read.
You cant lack comprehension in something u havent even seen.

flat grove
flat grove
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im not getting payed.

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If you already have the message up and ask me to act on it the least i can ask for is to make my life easier to just send me an actual link instead of making me waste more time for it lol

raven frost
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If you replace job with role does anything about that statement meaningfully change

flat grove
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No, obviously not, im not getting payed, i can accept dealing with assholes as clients for as much money i get payed to deal with it

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im not gonna deal with someone being an asshole for free xD

indigo verge
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how is it being an ashole for me to expect a moderator in a discord server to use the discord search function

flat grove
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yes youre an asshole if you pull up a message, already have it infront of you and know where it is exactly, get asked to use links instead because of the possiblity of forged screenshots, GENERALLY, not just because of this situation and then demand I HAVE TO do it myself because asking for u to provide me with something you already have infront of you is apparently outrageous xD

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Like get a grip

raven frost
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I think this was a productive discussion

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See you all when pair opens this again

flat grove
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Oh i have my eyes on it next time dw

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hes been edging it a bit too hard

crude spire
flat grove
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For who? Dude was punching air

broken wharf
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I'm the air

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@vocal crest why are you punching me

bright smelt
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Since this post seems more like a place where people vent their frustrations, I'd like to say that I'm still not happy that Theorycraft chose a beach theme for several characters and didn't make skins for those same characters.

I wanted my elluna_gooby Ellunaelluna_gooby beach themed skin, and all I got were drawings of an impossible dreamellunacry ellunacry ellunacry

Theorycraft missed an incredible sales opportunity there 😔 🤚 That day I almost lost faith.

crude spire
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Nudeson summer skin

bright smelt
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I still don't know how they managed to do two recolors of the base skin, but they didn't bother to make a beach themed skin.

raven frost
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Ig if we make it to summer they can do it again

flat grove
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also thought its weird, even the meme summer skins in league are extremely popular

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like look at pool party reksai

crude spire
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Its high quality

flat grove
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And creative af

crude spire
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And kinda funny

flat grove
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Like the goggles even tho mf is blind are what sends me

trim ingot
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Would be peak

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Or a beach themed beebo

flat grove
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Thatd be so PEAK

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Hudson with suncream on his nose like the true boomer he is ong

trim ingot
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Turn his hammer into one of thoose lifeguard floaties

flat grove
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Bro comes in like Hasslehoff

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SHEESH

crude spire
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Hudson summer skin were he has a grill on his back with sausages, his weapon has 3 different BBQ condiments as barrels. The ult is just a giant spatula.

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Wearing an apron saying "Kiss the cook" or something corny like that

trim ingot
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But yeah

crude spire
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armor replaced with pool floaties

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Its so easy

flat grove
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that would go kinda hard ngl

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elluna with one of these rings would also be funny since she was the og abyss floater, generally i think that skinline would go crazy on the more creative characters to begin with

bright smelt
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Theorycraft, please listen to these kind and understanding people and give us beach themed skins (preferably Elluna).

crude spire
bright smelt
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😔 🤚

flat grove
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At least league did it with their rather funsided characters (omega squad)

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or they have stuff like headhunter akali that just fulfills that evil vibe enough to work for me

bright smelt
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elluna_gooby cool skins elluna_gooby

flat grove
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yeah they are nice but i feel like most skins are kinda within that theme

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But that might be just me

crude spire
bright smelt
flat grove
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its just after buying my first few skins i never felt like buying another

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if that makes sense

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its just the same shit in a diff color

bright smelt
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But yes, I don't really want to buy any other skins, well, the Elluna Sanctuary one interests me

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mostly because it reminds me of the sanctuary theme from Kingdom Hearts

indigo verge
supple ruin
crude spire
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They can do what ever they want with their money. Might not be the best idea but hey. Their money

supple ruin
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Yeah for me I rarely ever buy skins because it just doesn’t feel worth it to me. I’d rather buy new content / a new game for actual gameplay

But I don’t mind other people who like to have a full collection of skins

bright smelt
heavy magnet
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So, here’s a female character from 1997 that does what SUPERVIVE should be doing: Pink Ostrich from Battle Circuit.

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flat grove
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Any mounted character could be hella cool

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probs hard to design but its worth the effort imo

trim ingot
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I wana see supervives take on a rell type design

indigo verge
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she'd have no armor and an inexplicable hole on her shirt where her cleavage is

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also no transformation because that'd require a female build which is not just skinny young lady

quasi heart
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Okay this is going too far

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Points that are valid:

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Character design is a bit generic

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Obs gooner coded

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Let this be my opinion

crude spire
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I just believe they wouldnt bother because by design theyd require going outside skirmisher/fighter with something unique. Dont think they have the resources, time or manpower to achieve this.

quasi heart
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They didn’t make said characters goonable enough

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They went for the middle ground, and received mid results by splitting their target market

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One can define success by the number of posts on rule34

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By this metric, supervive is lacking compared to it’s competition

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Therefore, the only rational choice is to commit to either gameplay focused designs that clearly indicate the character’s role, or just full goon

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As clearly, the artists cannot land the perfect middle ground due to insufficient talent

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Convo ended, can we go back to discussing actual game design instead of finance

crude spire
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Neither matters at this point. There are years worth of feedback and discussion had on the game design of this game that has resulted in nothing. Maybe a dev had a crack at it and made the armory instead

quasi heart
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Yeah fair

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More or less using this discord as a sounding board for game design research at this point

flat grove
flat grove
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But yeah, weve been saying this since early playtesting days

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"give us something that feels like an actual tank"

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Give us a guardian

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To this day KP is the only thing that comes close but even he has very hit or miss cc

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Oath also is alot more of a bruiser than an actual tank

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i mean dude can oneshot

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why even bother atp

crude spire
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I wish their combat design philosophy went deeper then just "Kill enemy". They cant really do a proper tank or enabler support cus every char has to be able to 1vX

flat grove
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yup which is imo the dumbest turn this game ever took

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making a team game for solos is making a game for noone

crude spire
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They didnt commit to a vision. There is also the thing were they had The 👑 whispering sweet reset mechanics and clip farm mechanics into their ears.

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And other content creators and closer playtesters who they seemed to actually partially listen to seemed to really like 1vX fantasy

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Might have something to do with not having a dedicated combat desinger

flat grove
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Yeah or just someone whos ideas of how games like this should be dont really work nowadays

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Like i still cant get around armory

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Who greenlit that and how did they all believe its a good Idea

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this has never been something people liked outside of singleplayer games ever

crude spire
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Like a lot could have been avoided if they just HAD an end goal and didnt "Piss while running" how a finnish saying goes.

flat grove
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Scandi sayings are banger lmao

crude spire
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Its a good one cheekycashcat

flat grove
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I play with a bunch of scandi dumbasses every weekend so i hear them alot lmao

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theyre my goats

crude spire
flat grove
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god bless the LoR lore tho

crude spire
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Like yes they COULD have been greedier with monetization, skins were kinda shit. But like that was deff not the main reason the game didnt do the best

flat grove
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well i guess retention can only be achieved with systems that make everyone that isnt ahead of the curve feel like shit

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Surely they will want to grind instead of quitting lol

crude spire
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didnt do anything that unique and was competing with an established game of the genre

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I feel there is a case of the devs at TC just being out of touch with their players. You kinda see it often with large game companies these days.

flat grove
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ill never get how people with those kinda mindsets have a job in this industry ngl

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Like how out of touch with what people want can u be in this field

flat grove
crude spire
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Im in uni rn for game dev btw. Ive noticed that half the people studying here are there just for a paycheck.

flat grove
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i dont think anyone makes games for money man

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its one of the most brutal fields with the most shit pay

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Its the main reason im not doing it

crude spire
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Thing is they wont make it.

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Im kinda insane and obsessed with game design so I have a shot lmao

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Gotta brute force it

flat grove
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I pray you actually have a chill live with it, I might work way too much because im just making software for db management and workflows for insurance and banks but at least i get payed enough to retire early

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I cant fathom making games paycheck to paycheck for half of my life ngl

crude spire
flat grove
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Ill never forget how they were complaining about Elden Ring UI lmao

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"I STUDIED THIS THEYRE DOING IT WRONG" oh shut up

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Seeing these AAA companys die nowadays is somewhat of a breath of fresh air ngl

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We need more indie studios

keen lark
flat grove
keen lark
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You can ignore some polish if the game is a masterpiece

flat grove
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You dont need a minimap with 10 arrows and icons that show u everything around u constantly to be able to navigate

crude spire
#

You can ignore some polish when it has little to no effect on the actual end experience.

keen lark
#

I think no mini map is fine

flat grove
#

The game used elements within their world to highlight stuff instead which btw, THE SAME DEVS PRAISED WHEN WITCHER 3 DID IT

keen lark
#

That’s not ui…

flat grove
#

not but its tools to free up space for UI that actually matters.

keen lark
#

I’m talking about the inventory management and paging through items at npcs

crude spire
flat grove
#

Elden Ring could keep things barebones because they did a ton of other stuff

keen lark
flat grove
#

Calling the ui bad because its missing things it doesnt need is peak Ubisoft behaviour ngl

flat grove
crude spire
flat grove
#

I dont get where this bs even came from

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no matter how many retention mechanics u add to ur game

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if it feels like shit to play people wont engage with them

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its so funny to me that they sacrificed most of their existing playerbase to get new players in that never came lol

crude spire
#

But your opinion is invalid because I was taught at riot that all that matters is retention and marketing

#

Playertrust and fait has no meaning when our retention chart for newbies went up

flat grove
#

I dont even think riot cares enough about it to the point that it actually harms the gameplay in any considerable way

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Like the only thing i remember is when they added duorestrictions to soloqueue

keen lark
flat grove
#

That will result in you getting a random player on that level

keen lark
#

They just have a titan that is too big to fail

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But they released all those $500 skins and shit which lost a lot of player trust alongside other things

flat grove
#

I dont think anyone really cared about those on social media man

keen lark
#

But it wasn’t that big of a deal because league players are fucking addicts that could never step away from the game

keen lark
flat grove
#

The only thing they did that was largely criticized was chests

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they went back on it

crude spire
keen lark
#

I stopped playing because of it

flat grove
#

I mean if that makes u stop, i dont think you cared about the game to begin with

crude spire
flat grove
#

I dont like it either but its just skins at the end of the day, im still getting chests and i play because of the game like most people that stayed ig

keen lark
#

I thought it was disgusting that a company would be releasing $500 skins and $200 chromas when the game is lacking quality skins and in a horrible state

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It’s just disrespectful to players

flat grove
#

They improved on the game alot and its alot better rn than it was 2 years ago, do you still think you shouldnt play it?

keen lark
#

I play a little now but I’ll never spend on it again

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Because of lost player trust

flat grove
#

I dont think its disrespectfull at all, if it was a champ with no quality skins at all, id get it, but most of the stuff theyve released in that regard was for champs that already have a ton of skins

#

I never spent on league to begin with

crude spire
flat grove
#

or 9 atp

keen lark
#

It’s like what happened with tarkov and their $250 shitter edition

flat grove
#

with the first battlepass skins beeing rather poor in design, so they ended up focusing more on making better skins

keen lark
#

Like yeah I’ll still play it

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But I’m never giving the company money again

crude spire
flat grove
#

And most of the skin releases since have been better

#

the only issue that still remains is particles effects sometimes not being applied to like theyd be on other champs within the same skinline but i feel like thats more of a technical issue since it seems to apply to lux and a few others mainly

crude spire
#

Once there is something that catches my attention Ill probably hop on league again. The new aram mode made me play a few games when I was bored and without my desktop. Downloaded league and played some augment aram with doo doo frame rate

flat grove
#

Aram mayhem is the best thing to happen to league in years

#

and tbh, sr is also pretty good

#

soloqueue will always be cancer unless they actually ban trolls

crude spire
#

I was never much of an SR guy. Neverhad the spare time to commit to longer matches

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Just went aram with friends

flat grove
#

im the opposite id rather have long good matches than a bunch of short ones

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but i play aram mainly atm if i play league

crude spire
#

I would have loved longer matches but. Doo doo internet, no uninterupted long periods to commit to league kinda stopped me from doing sr

#

These days I do have more free time cus I live alone and attending Uni (I am efficient with homework and classes so I tend to have good free time)

#

Just been wondering if to try dota 2

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but Im affraid of crippling moba addiction 😭

#

Itching for a game like supervive but you know

heavy magnet
#

Pokémon alone is a good enough reason how many “fans” of that franchise need their hard drives checked.

quasi heart
#

For sales at least

#

results may vary by level of depravity

heavy magnet
quasi heart
heavy magnet
#

Unless you want slop for the rest of SUPERVIVE’s life, you have to pressure them into actual changes.

quasi heart
#

Agreed, made an entire thread on that

#

Main problem supervive has now is the question of if it even has the funding left to keep the game online

#

Maybe the devs could turn it around, but I wouldn’t bet on it

#

It’d be a far more rational decision to make a new project with what they learned from supervive

crude spire
quasi heart
#

Make new scene

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Make game

crude spire
#

Do got a classmate doing a project so could join him

heavy magnet
quasi heart
#

You do not need to be a god programmer to make a banger game

crude spire
#

I know

heavy magnet
#

But on the bright side, the last 5 years were also used to learn the basics of C# so I can make an even better game.

quasi heart
#

I do all my stuff in the minecraft space

#

People pay me to learn more or less

crude spire
#

Id rather start by designing simple systems and understanding how stuff works that way. rather then putting pressure on myself. or instantly starting a project I might not finnish due to lack of motivation.

quasi heart
#

It’s very niche but that’s where the market is

quasi heart
#

It’s… a bit bloated now Kek

trim ingot
crude spire
#

I have an idea for a game in my head. I dont have the technical skill to execute to the level id wish. So why not just design modular and simple systems that I COULD slot in to the game in the future when Ive accured enough knowlege and experience to actually make something

trim ingot
crude spire
#

Like an inventory system and what that could look like.
Simple project that works. Key being it is a FUNCTIONAL and WORKING code I can showcase to someone in a portfolio if asked

#

I feel having multiple smaller projects that are all working and finnished might be better then a few ambitious projects that I never got around to finnish due to feature creep and lack of motivation

#

Anyways its mid night I go sleep

quasi heart
#

Cya

#

The city of silver awaits you

raven frost
#

Much more intresting than most of the base roster

indigo verge
#

it had plenty of unique mechanics idk what youre on

crude spire
quasi heart
#

I'd say there are kinder ways to monetize content without paywalls

leaden jetty
#

you guys are so active here.. wtf!

#

this place became the main Supervive discord n the other channels are just for newbies

#

two days ago, (or somethin) i read a comment , i think itwas jockertior

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Jockertrion

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let me check

indigo verge
#

you seem to have a lot of opinions about things you don't seem to understand for someone who complained about people having opinions on things they don't understand

leaden jetty
#

ok u guys r talkin i dont wanna interurpot u se e ya

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@trim ingot yo bro, i thank u so much..
You don't believe how much happiness and relieve you added to my life..
I've been on this platform since long time. and I read hundreds of lines..
I never until this moment, found anyhting close or as valuable as what you said my dude..
I think you don't mean what you said.. but I thank you so much.. for this..
I never knew it existed...

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if you can guess what im talking about, which comment i mean, i will ssay that ur a genius
but thankyou anyways

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@raven frost I thank you too both of you

raven frost
#

What

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What did I say that was so impactful

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@leaden jetty

leaden jetty
#

somerthin he said, and then i did a research about it and it was true. then i came to write him a thank u msg.. i wrote these 4 lines, then got distracted n did't send them until now

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i wanted to check what he said again.. and it appeared that you said it as well

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i think before him

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but i read it when he sent it

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lets see if he will know. if not, after couple of hours (i will copy paste it )

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patience

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or if you will know

#

i think it's the most valuable thing you said in your life maybe

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and i also think you don't mean it

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i dont wanna judjge u, but just sayin

#

nice status you got

#

btw

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someone french sent me dm, tellin me, why do you have this on ur profil;e ? i told him i have what ?

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he said on ur bio

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i told him i dont wrtite a bio.. i dont know i just keep it empty

trim ingot
#

Im a little confused on what i said to make your day

leaden jetty
#

and you said, and before you on this channel @raven frost said :

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this thing is ugly

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how much ugly was it ?

#

it was as Ugly as >>>> ??

trim ingot
#

Sin

leaden jetty
#

yes

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I checkd where did you get this from

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and I was very happy to know that.. and I really wish to both of you and everyone to know and be sure that it's the truth what you said

#

thats it.. now i have ot go! love yaaaaalll in case i got banned!

#

❤️

raven frost
#

This guy has good vibes

#

I like his vibes

trim ingot
#

Well thanks

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I never thought I would get complimented for calling something ugly

flat grove
#

Took me 10 seconds

flat grove
#

Lmao

#

Your lack of shame and self awareness is hilarious

quasi heart
#

Begone

heavy magnet
trim ingot
#

Your Hud is part of the games ui

flat grove
#

Its not about being right or wrong for them they just oppose me with everything they can because they mad

#

Dont bother with them

flat grove
# heavy magnet

If you cant argue the points made just make up a point that wasnt even argued

#

Googles ai quotes its sources directly you can klick on them and itll allow you to see something usually written by a human, its good for a quick overview if youre already informed enough and are able to view it critically

#

Guess i need to apologize for thinking that you were able to

#

Also hating ai unconditionally is at least as stupid as trusting it blindly

#

Its a tool. Use it well and its usefull

crude spire
#

Honestly love this thread

#

everyone is just punching air

#

Taking turns

flat grove
#

Im honestly just responding to people atp man T.T im exposing myself to braindamage so much i might have it myself now

trim ingot
#

at this point this thread is to argue over nothing

#

i don't even rember what the original purpose was

quasi heart
#

truly a war without reason

trim ingot
#

can we rename the thread to "fight club"?

crude spire
#

A what without what?

crude spire
broken wharf
#

you forgot to add a 0

crude spire
#

oh sorry

#

7.0%

broken wharf
#

Thanks

raven frost
#

Ik nerryl is dumb guys but are we serious arguing hud isnt a part of ui

#

We dont have to argue about everything

#

Here ill get us back to where we should be

#

We all know nyx does nkt accurately display the fantasy of a death knight but what about a reaper

#

Like I think nyx is a pretty good reaper of souls instead of being a soldier of death

trim ingot
#

Yeah

raven frost
#

I think if TC leaned a bit more into reaper shes much more cohesive as a character

trim ingot
#

She would be a decent reaper

#

But rn she looks more like a bezerker than a knight or reaper

raven frost
#

Design wise sure but her voicelines rly scream reaper

trim ingot
#

Either way if I can get a pentakill style skin for her I will be happy

flat grove
#

the guy that started an entire argument about reasoning that i contradicted in the same message he took it from xD

#

The internet made people way too comfortable with themselves to the point yall be completely delusional publicy, with all messages still up and quoteable.

raven frost
#

?

flat grove
#

XD

#

Yeah whatever man i cba

raven frost
#

You didnt contradict yourself in the message I was talking about first of all

#

The two statements u made could coexist

flat grove
#

I didnt contradict myself, i contradicted ur dumb conclusion

#

Because i knew

#

Its not hard to tell

raven frost
#

No you didnt

flat grove
#

you guys rage at everything i say

#

then i pick everything apart

#

and then u stop responding

raven frost
#

My conclusion stood regardless of what you said

flat grove
#

shut up

#

go play something xD

#

Stop wasting ur time

raven frost
#

I dropped it because you said you didnt actually mean it the way you typed it

#

I'm confused as to how this is even still a thing you are talking about

#

The reasoning was stupid I called it stupid and you said you didnt mean it like that so I considered it not a big deal

flat grove
#

No, i never said i didnt mean it, i said directly on the message that the reason why that phenomenom occurs is strictly because people with extreme opinions are very vocal about it and that its just funny that the person doing it is participating in a very big stereotype, in the same message.

raven frost
#

I didnt know it bothers you still nerryl...

flat grove
#

I know youre dumb

#

but you should be able to get that much

#

It was never my "reason"

#

I never said so

#

Everything but admitting that ure wrong even once

#

XD

#

So instead of actually argueing points we just go and shoot stabs at eachother in unrelated conversations, calling me dumb just to say that im right

#

:D

vocal crest
#

You do realize that everything you are claiming others exemplify are also descriptors of your conduct in this thread?

trim ingot
#

And we are already back to fighting

flat grove
#

Oh no, youre gonna do what u did last time and just talk a different point because u cant.

raven frost
#

You dont mean people in a general sense then

vocal crest
#

Do you think using a hyper specific test like that disproves the entire point?

raven frost
#

You meant men

flat grove
#

that i even have to quote this again xD

raven frost
#

Again how is this related to you specifically singling out men???

vocal crest
#

Damn that wasn't even hard though

raven frost
#

You dont mean too many dumbasses you meant MALE dumbasses

flat grove
# vocal crest

Yes? And the point the person made was wrong, thats why i called the conclusion dumb

#

Thats not me calling SOMEONE dumb over a point that was right

#

Like

#

XD

raven frost
#

You said you disregarded his opinion because he was a man

vocal crest
#

You are not the authority on something being correct or incorrect?

raven frost
#

That was your sole reason

#

So I dont understand these arguments about how it was actually general

vocal crest
#

Sure, if the statement was 2 + 2 = 73 that sure seems like a dumb conclusion

copper hill
#

hey guys i think we should all stop talking and become friends

vocal crest
#

But we can restrain ourselves from calling other's opinions dumb, no?

flat grove
#

It was wrong

#

get over it

flat grove
#

I said this.

#

Again

#

Big circle around it

#

read it.

#

Same message btw xD

vocal crest
#

Here is my response to that

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SEZ U XD

raven frost
vocal crest
#

Like c'mon it's not even hard to scroll up and find a relevant quote of you arguing against the very thing you are actively doing

raven frost
#

By a dude period thats why I stopped interacting with this

#

????

flat grove
# raven frost

Surely, this means the dude is the reason why i thought the point was stupid, not that the point in itself was stupid

raven frost
#

Whats not clear about my line of reasoning

flat grove
#

SURELY

#

XD

raven frost
#

That is exactly how it reads yes

#

You even emphasize

#

By a dude

flat grove
#

And surely, I didnt call the opinion EXTREME in the message right after that one

#

SURELY

#

XD

raven frost
#

Comma by a dude period

#

It seems to be a large part of the argument

flat grove
#

Yes, a dude making a stupid point about what women should do is worse than when a woman does it

raven frost
raven frost
#

It wasnt about what they should do

vocal crest
#

Yeah, I also don't listen to women when they talk about MANLY things. Imagine a WOMAN trying to have an opinion of FOOTBALL. LMAO!

raven frost
#

It was about a reason why they do it

vocal crest
#

Same energy, no?

trim ingot
flat grove
#

Its on the same level of "she was wearing a skirt so she was asking for it" its not that hard to get that thats way worse to say than just being a man xD

raven frost
raven frost
flat grove
#

Thats not that hard to get.

raven frost
#

Sexualization is not inherently a bad thing tho

flat grove
#

XD

#

Yeah im out man

#

this is getting way to stupid

vocal crest
#

Surely we are not going to take the worst presented argument in the thread and attempt to say that it is representative of the entire thread and all who have even possibly thought that there might be some uneven presentation between men and women characters in the game are 100% on board with it?

raven frost
#

does a woman not reserve the right to sexualize themself bro???

flat grove
#

They can choose to

raven frost
#

That can be empowering for anyone

flat grove
#

you cant for them

#

Thats the point

vocal crest
#

You are choosing my arguments for me. You can't do that

flat grove
#

But you wont get that anyways

heavy magnet
raven frost
#

He didnt speak over them though

heavy magnet
#

Men.

raven frost
#

He just said that could be a reason why

#

In response to you saying they do that

#

Im not sure where the disconnect is

vocal crest
#

My bad though. I can see you are very opposed to constructive feedback and self improvement. I will no longer make remarks in an effort to convey such meaning.

raven frost
dry forge
#

(That is mild sexism 🙂)

raven frost
#

A bit more than mild

flat grove
broken wharf
#

What are you doing here

flat grove
#

Yet you propagate blatant sexism and anti feminine points to be a feminist just because u want to be against me xD

raven frost
#

There is a world where we can agree that secualization is empowering and can also tell a story with a character and also think that character designs in supervive are bland

vocal crest
#

Hot damn! As the determiner of correct and incorrect statements, that has to be true. Let me go find some women to demean.

#

🫡

broken wharf
flat grove
broken wharf
#

Who wants to become friends

flat grove
#

outside of 1 case where i agreed with u because it made logical sense to stop nuts from bumping a multitude of threads lol

heavy magnet
raven frost
heavy magnet
#

Because that's what objectification is.

raven frost
flat grove
#

So because a few women think they look hot in a top

#

ALL women are sexualizing themselves when wearing it

#

Smart take

crude spire
#

Chat is fighting again...

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broken wharf
raven frost
broken wharf
#

Sad

raven frost
#

Bc he didnt say all iirc

flat grove
#

It was a direct statement that they do

#

XD

raven frost
#

The convo was some

#

They do ≠ all of them do

flat grove
#

No he said, wearing the top is choosing to sexualize urself.

crude spire
flat grove
#

put on, boom, sexualized

#

magic

raven frost
#

Its ok if u cant

broken wharf
raven frost
#

I personally think if he said it like that thats dumb obv

flat grove
#

I cba, i quoted those messages multiple times throughout the thread and even if i did, youll disagree with me still and be like "yeah but"

raven frost
#

But I dont remember that convo going like that

broken wharf
#

We should all be a Super Family

flat grove
#

Ill just go, get my fries outta the airfryer

#

pop open a monster

#

and watch some trash taste

raven frost
broken wharf
#

W Family

raven frost
#

I just wanted to see the comment and decide for myself

#

Regardless of whether u find it or not

#
  1. Whether he said like that or not I think that statement should be disregarded because its stupid whether its a man a woman or an enbie saying it
heavy magnet
flat grove
#

also i think if i actually look for the message, ill probs have to see his drawing of the dick cutout again and id rather not

#

just search for his messages and "top" youll deffo find the convo there

#

Im out fr now tho, the fries be waiting

raven frost
#
  1. It is incredibly hard to believe your original comment was not made with emphasis on the men part.
#

BECAUSE that reads like a reason you stepped away

raven frost
#

Im not prepared to go that far for this

broken wharf
#

Knowledge has a price

raven frost
#

Do you think maybe you should reflect on that

#

And what you said

heavy magnet
crude spire
broken wharf
#

True

#

I agree

raven frost
#

You were being sexist TOWARDS WOMEN

#

And I dknt think this is the first time you've done that

vocal crest
#

TBH it's less about creeps thinking they own women's bodies (as this implies intent, which is really hard to guess at without knowing the design team personally) and more about leaning into using sexualization to sell to gamers (which is easier to both understand and prove via observing the designs and comparing them between the genders)

raven frost
#

In ur crusade against secualization ur making harmful statement and bad arguments about the people ur trying to defend

heavy magnet
dry forge
#

You didn't point out any sexism tho...

crude spire
#

Happy 3rd month aniversary for this chat 🥳

#

Might be late but yey

heavy magnet
#

But I guess that doesn't count because it hurt your feelings.

vocal crest
#

TBH everyone getting focused on this idea of a specific clothing choice is pretty silly from both sides. It's both pointless and unrelated. Hyper fixating on it is leading to a lot of conflict that doesn't need to happen.

raven frost
#

I personally think the keyhole argument is stupid

flat grove
#

i got my fries what did i miss

rose grail
#

This discussion is still going on after 3 months…..

heavy magnet
#

The keyhole is at least less desperate than Mercury's underboob.

dry forge
vocal crest
#

The entirety of the conversation is pretty pointless tbh

#

In regards to the specifics of exactly HOW tc has done what they have done

#

The comparison between the body shape outlines was effectively the end of the thread

broken wharf
#

Yess lets end this Family Feud

crude spire
keen lark
#

Hearthstone was at an all time low when lor released so they weren’t really competing

#

Most hearthstone content creators jumped ship at the time because of how horrible the meta was

#

Lor was revolutionary as an online card game and yes it took some ideas from hearthstone but the main issue was riots endless desire to print money and poor marketing

#

The game very well could’ve been successful just never as successful as league or any of riots other cash cows so they made a p2w pve mode and called it a day

#

Also I cannot state enough

#

There was NO marketing done for the game

crude spire
#

Sadly Im aware. Necrit probably did more marketing for the game then Riot themselves

flat grove
#

fr

#

Necrit is just the goat

crude spire
#

lack of marketing was fatal. Dont think any amount of greed or retention mechanics would have helped the game. Which was my major critizism of said developer.

#

Really liked Lor. Udyr self dmg burn was a fun deck to play around with

#

Slap a few of these guys down with the Ram stance and youd chunk enemy nexus for a good amount

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#

Bonus points if you got regen on one of them and now their attack and dmg removal aint doing jackshit

broken wharf
#

I am familiar with that

rotund crystal
#

that guy might be a good ragebaiter tho cant tell. he might be too committed to it and i cant see it lol

crude spire
safe jetty
# crude spire

I wish I understood this graph, is horniness both the x and y axis???

gentle summit
indigo verge
#

or i guess this is more of a comically false equivalence

indigo verge
#

it's kinda funny how often you strawman me

#

i'm beginning to think you're arguing with someone you made up

#

like you read past everything i say and just argue with whatever point you wish i was making

flat grove
#

You calling it a strawman instead of calling it a lie is literally just giving it everything it needs lol

indigo verge
#

i'm just a vessel for you to project your fictional debate opponent onto

flat grove
#

But i cba wasting my time on you anymore

#

Just let it die

indigo verge
#

well a strawman is by definition a lie because it is a misinterpretation of what i said

flat grove
#

You said enough ridicilous shit

indigo verge
indigo verge
flat grove
#

But yeah again, waste of time

indigo verge
#

you're just arguing semantics atp

#

but sure, then you were just straight up lying about what my argument is

#

not much better

flat grove
indigo verge
#

you seem to be pretty allergic to the search function for someone whose role depends on it

flat grove
#

Sure whatever bro. Ill just trust the guy that doesnt even know what hes saying. I honestly dont care enough anymore to search out the specific messages

#

Just let it die and stop @ing me

indigo verge
#

why are u talking in the thread if u dont want me replying to it

#

im literally the op of the thread bro

flat grove
#

Let it die

indigo verge
#

cause every time you've quoted it you have misrepresented the original argument entirely

flat grove
#

Even if i did quote exactly what i said ud just argue it and start making the same points in a week from now

#

I cba

#

You did this for like the 3rd time

indigo verge
#

glad to see the personality of this character you've imagined is being expanded upon

flat grove
#

Really need to stop wasting my time on extremists believing theyd ever change their minds

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Youre too far gone

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Peace out

indigo verge
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i scrolled up one single conversation and you mischaracterised two seperate arguments

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my goat

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you genuinely have a talent for this

flat grove
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Right here. Most of the chain there for everyone that is interested in knowing why women show any patch of skin = they choose to sexualize themselves.
I made the examples with camis back then since its one of the most worn tops in summer here in germany and not seen sexually at all, which is usually a piece of clothing alot more revealing and you kept pushing back that any bit of cleavage cant be worn casually

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The only talent you have is to argue this now even tho in that entire chain u kept trying that wearing specific pieces of clothing are inherently sexual which is literally the point i made. Even lingerie can be worn without the intent to sexualize oneself.
The entire function of a corset is to get a tighter waist for example that isnt inherently sexual either some people are just insecure with how they lock or just like the pressure it applies.
No piece of clothing is inherently sexual, they can be worn with sexual intent or not and youre not the moral authority to decide wether it is or not

indigo verge
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"you kept pushing back that any bit of cleavage cant be worn casually" literally never said or implied that

flat grove
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Now stop bothering me for the love of god

indigo verge
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"wearing specific pieces of clothing are inherently sexual" nor did i say this

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again, you're arguing against an imaginary person

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"Even lingerie can be worn without the intent to sexualize oneself." funnily enough this is literally something I myself said and you're trying to use it as an argument against what you think my argument was lol

flat grove
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Mb i accidentally deleted the quotr

flat grove
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Actual dementia

indigo verge
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in that message i clearly state that most cleavage can be worn casually, and that it is specifically keyholes that have a sexual connotation

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did you actually read the message you just linked

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keyholes are a very specific clothing trait

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not equivalent to just 'any cleavage'

flat grove
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Clothing isnt sexual.

indigo verge
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i said that there are certain types of clothing which are SOCIETALLY considered as sexual

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i.e lingerie

flat grove
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There u go the moral authority on whats socially accepted again

indigo verge
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accepted?

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when did acceptance come into this?

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you know that it's also just societally accepted to sexualise yourself right? or to wear clothing which is generally considered of a sexual nature, without the intent of sexualising yourself?

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societal acceptance has literally nothing to do with this

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you literally strawmanned me again there and now i'm having to argue that no, i'm not talking about fucking societal acceptance

flat grove
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Oh sorry. Gotta update the title, the moral authority on whats socially considered as something sexual again

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XD

indigo verge
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well i don't need to be a moral authority on it, this is a well established fact

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lingerie is literally a type of underwear, first of all

flat grove
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You are not one to speak for the entire population.

indigo verge
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and second, it is -- officially -- considered a form of intimate apparel

flat grove
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If logic is a criteria and the reason for it to be sexual is cleavage why are camis not sexual

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They inargueably show alot more

indigo verge
indigo verge
flat grove
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Ah ok, so we have the authority on what is or isnt s criterium for sexual aspects too here

indigo verge
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well i'd argue there isn't really a logical criterium for what is socially considered sexual clothing because it is entirely based on history

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and on intent within the design

flat grove
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I dont think most people see a keyhole as somethint sexual. Theres lingerie that makes use of keyholes, but that doesnt mean every keyhole is inherently worn or even seen as something sexual

indigo verge
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and yeah, i'll concede that i was being hyperbolic originally in implying all keyhole tops are considered sexual

flat grove
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I also think the main criteria in law for example is how revealing ur entire outfit is, its imo also seen as the main criterium by most people

indigo verge
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yeah but 'revealing' doesn't usually equate to just a percentage of skin shown for most people

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it tends to be more about what is revealed rather than how much

flat grove
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This is why i wont even bother engaging with u anymore

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Its the same shit every single time

indigo verge
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a tall, long-sleeve dress with big cleavage will generally be considered more revealing than a short sleeved shirt with some shorts for example

indigo verge
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it's just not meant to be taken literally

flat grove
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Youre so extreme in ur own mindset that ull argue with someone that doesnt even disagree with you just because being 95% agreeing isnt enough for you

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You either get the 100% or the people you talk to are the devil

indigo verge
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i don't think you're the devil

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i just think you're not very smart

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to put it mildly

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and i think you engage in bad faith

flat grove
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I could say the same about you

indigo verge
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i also think personally that you have a bit of a complex going on but that's not as relevant

flat grove
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You literally had to go back on what you said multiple times atp because you dont even know the words you use

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Like my initial point to this was literally that the top is unfitting but acceptable and the design overall being nice and you still cant get over it lol

indigo verge
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i think that you have to view the design through the context of supervive's previous designs

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and that then the keyhole top becomes a very obviously deliberate choice to sexualise the character even when getting so close to their first non-sexualised design

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it's like they have to tick a checkbox that says 'cleavage'

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or the design isn't finished

flat grove
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I think that u have to view any piece of art on its own. All of svs early designs and generally most of the designs are not even something id consider up for debate for this to begin with

indigo verge
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but the 'piece of art' is supervive

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the game

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it's one big whole

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her design is merely a piece in it

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the design exists within the context of the game

flat grove
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But even considering that, a ton of things go through an artists head when choosing different options. I think that its alot less likely for mercurys top to be an innocent choice than nyxs for example and i dont automatically assume that nyxs top follows mercurys just because mercury was made

flat grove
indigo verge
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the mcdonalds just burned the previous guys' burger, and now there's loose charring on the bottom of mine. can i be annoyed that they didn't clean up the grill properly or do i have to go 'wow, they really cleaned up their act. my burger isn't burned at all'

indigo verge
flat grove
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Ah, the piece of art of making a mcdonalds burger

indigo verge
flat grove
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Lets make a comparison to something that doesnt even have people that consiously try to make artistic choices in their product to something that does

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I think that its alot more likely for nyx to be made without trying to push some goonerbait than mercury for example. I can still think the top is unfitting without dumbing down the entire argument to "dont like the top so the entire design is bad and harms women"

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Again i dont even like the top myself i want armor and just generally less streatwear ish designs, my issue is just not sexualization i just think the game tries too hart to fit that neonpunk category to be cohesive but just ends up having alotta aspects within designs that end up making alot feel very samey

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You can even see this with skins

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But we never even got to this point because youre so extreme about wanting to make the entire argument about a top that is literally worn casually to the point it wouldnt even stand out to most people in most of the world that there is no discussion about it to begin with

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Yet u claim im the dumb one and im the one that argues in bad faith etc

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Just move on.

indigo verge
flat grove
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Agree to disagree and free up the space instead of argueing stuff you literally said when you get quoted just because u urself realise after a ton of messages AGAIN that the thing you said was just dumb

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Dude drew an entire dick cutout and still thinks hes the normal one. You only chime in here to put ur weird idea of sexualization on everyone

indigo verge
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and i'm conceding that my original point doesn't really stand but that doesn't change the fact you completely mischaracterise it over and over lol

flat grove
flat grove
indigo verge
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i literally never claimed that

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holy fucking shit

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CLOTHING BEING CONSIDERED SEXUAL SOCIETALLY IS NOT THE SAME AS SEXUALISING ONESELF

flat grove
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You are not the authority on what the society sees

indigo verge
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this is either bait

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or you are actually

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not right in the head

flat grove
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In some places this can definetly be true, while in others it wont

indigo verge
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it honestly feels like you're trying to bait me into like saying some shit you can ban me for or something

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because you are being comically obtuse

flat grove
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Clothing isnt inherently sexual its the ideas propagated by people that make them.

indigo verge
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that is literally

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what i said

flat grove
indigo verge
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it seems the only times you can properly understand my argument is when you're trying to use it to argue against what you think my argument is

vocal crest
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Neryll is it considered wrong by society if I were to type a slur right now in this chat? Would you take action against me by deleting the message or banning my account?

indigo verge
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it's kinda hilarious

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the two times you have actually said something I MYSELF was trying to argue, was you trying to use it in response to me

flat grove
vocal crest
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Who are you to decide that? You aren't the moral authority on society

flat grove
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Im not. TC and the ones that made the rules are.

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And its not society

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Its this community

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They sre the authority of whats acceptable here

indigo verge
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you are not the authority on what is and isn't considered society

flat grove
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I just act on it

vocal crest
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Oh, got ya. So you think I can go out to my predominantly black neighborhood and shout slurs with no societal repercussions?

flat grove
flat grove
indigo verge
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Dang, so you think a good way to tell is to examine other people's opinions and sort of get an idea of what normal is