Thoughts on SUPERVIVE transitioning to SUPERGACHA?

[shy kindle]

No way you gave monkey a dunk. Now we got a dunkey

[grave void]

donkey

[shy kindle]

Wait why does his Q art look like super saiyan

Reference?

[grave void]

loll

its a tree

he had a shapeshift or smth

[shy kindle]

Ah I see it now

[grave void]

i wonder what the R could be

[shy kindle]

Now the real question: is he ACTUALLY melee or does he have a tacked on projectile? cough cough brall cough cough

[grave void]

doesnt seem the classic spin to win lmao

[grave void]

i dont see a projectile in his kit

appart from maiby throwing his stick to people

[shy kindle]

Could be hidden in M1 like Brall's is

Can't know for sure until we see his kit in detail

[grave void]

there are korean pages

that for some reason have wu gameplay

little

like just showing lmb

i created a gif

is it correct to send it if its in a public web @young notch?

[proven anchor]

does he wukongs it out

[grave void]

https://tenor.com/view/spin-spinning-gif-5630084690849603105

[shy kindle]

We should get multi person emote like the tf2 conga line and call it the Wukonga line

I kniw, I'm a genius

Guess they gotta hire me now

[grave void]

job application

[shy kindle]

Uhh

UHHH

[visual plinth]

Do we know if the amount fuel goes down when hit is damage based?

[shy kindle]

👀 you ain't seen shit

[shy kindle]

No concrete answer I could find, but I would assume so.

If it were hit based Ghost and Huddy would be abyss demons again lol

[visual plinth]

I have a fear certain hunters just won't be able to play over abyss. How tf is celeste gonna spike you? How tf is myth gonna spike you, even if her lmbs one shit ur fuel you can easily stop gliding before they hit you.

[shy kindle]

We'll have to see! I'm 100% sure it's gonna be a wild and unprecedented time for balance in Vive's history. But I also belive it'll be super fun and that TC will be able to figure out the largest balance outliers before the initial hype wears off

[cedar lintel]

If it’s a damage threshold she will be fine

[proven anchor]

shrike lmb is so telegraphed and delayed it should still spike in 1 hit

like if you agree

[visual plinth]

So we know you can get blue armor from the extraction but seems like you also get gold cus it's the only other armor listed on op.gg. maybe if you extract enough prisma it gives gold instead of blue

[visual plinth]

Should insta break fuel at least

[atomic hollow]

:)

[proven anchor]

myth doesnt get the pass because she controls and can charge her shots so no

[shy kindle]

extraction probably has rewards based on how much you deposit

heightened risk/reward seems like a no brainer mechanic to me

[atomic hollow]

The extraction also aint instant

[leaden prawn]

What if extraction forces you to leave the game and sacrifice further placement rewards

[shy kindle]

That is not the case

[leaden prawn]

That's honestly how I imagined it at first but I doubt its like that

[shy kindle]

It's just getting ur prisma out

[leaden prawn]

Do we know how it works yet? How long it takes? Is there an audio event that people can hear when its happening?

And most importantly, can I disguise myself as an extractor

[shy kindle]

No specifics really. We just know that you can deposit prisma and get items dropped for you from it. I got hinted by a dev in another thread that the amount of prisma you deposit can influence the rewards it gives you

[leaden prawn]

So these are 3 different entities now right? 1) regular item shop, 2) a relic shop, 3) prisma extractor

what kind of items would the extractor give for depositing? that seems odd

[shy kindle]

I think an example that was given was like shields and consumables

[wind fern]

Based on abyss theme and wukong staff, he probably can just extendo all the way to the bottom and just sit on the staff like a giant ward. That'd be neat

[shy kindle]

Wait that'd be sick asf

He slams his rmb down after charge so might be dunk also

Chill + dunk seems cool if the cast time is long enough

[hardy snow]

so do dunk abilities still insta-spike regardless of how much heat is left?
if that is the case it feels like dunk hunters will become even more strong

also it feels weird to me that Perks are found on the map rather than pre-loaded, but will have to wait and see

[turbid flare]

@opaque minnow
There's less immidiate punishment - It's not who gets spiked first, it's who overheats and then gets spiked first.

If you've been gliding a lot you just die. So overuse of glider gets punished.

I think the main point is it'll feel more 'fair' to get spiked

You get a reaction to whatever is happening, but if your reaction is bad you still die

[visual plinth]

Dunks do still insta spike

And lemur's vid was somewhat wrong, he corrected himself in the comments. Afaik exotic perks are only in game but others can be pre loaded

[turbid flare]

Im more worried about dunks honestly

I've always thought they're 10x more problematic than spiking

Explaining which exact abilities can dunk to a new player

Is just way harder than going

"you were gliding."

[visual plinth]

I'm mainly just worried about jin, he almost never had to glide ao he is never running out of fuel. And he's the only hunter with a dunk I'd personally call problematic

[turbid flare]

Yeah

Brall probably too

Honestly oath too

Just because shield

[visual plinth]

You can still hit oath if he's below you in the abyss I'm pretty sure. I think oath is gonna be more of a tank in 1.0 which i am really looking forward to, he dis not need that kind of dmg fuck that

[turbid flare]

I meant more like, pushing people into abyss idk

[visual plinth]

Brall imo would be a problem regardless. The movement, tankiness, shit ton of stats for literally free(dash level 4 might as well make empowered free), and having the most obnoxious knockback in the game. Gonna be an issue regardless of the more abyss

[turbid flare]

Far fetched maybe

True

[leaden prawn]

If there's no glider fuel, is there still feathering?

[visual plinth]

Why wouldn't there be?

[turbid flare]

There's still kind of fuel

Just, heat

[leaden prawn]

So you can stay "cool" by feathering just as you would conserve fuel before

[turbid flare]

Yes

Feathering is less gliding

[visual plinth]

Since there is a lot of abyss you'd still want to try and save your fuel to avoid somwone camping at the edge and screwing you over cus you happened to run out.
Or still getting over higher places

[turbid flare]

Yea

[visual plinth]

And avoid dmg from overheating too ig

[turbid flare]

I'm trying to think how new changes play out of void

[leaden prawn]

hmm.. so that new jetstream makes you basically invincible to all but dunks

[turbid flare]

Idk if it reduces fuel?

Overheat*

Like, now I mean

[visual plinth]

I doubt it. But it does stop feul depleting and gives speedboost. It's basically that wind stream that was down. By scavenger bay

[leaden prawn]

if I'm in jetstream and I take damage, it would just increase heat, but the jetstream would cool me down

[visual plinth]

It was in the practice, it was basically in the game down at scavenger bays just different look

[visual plinth]

Maybe, this idea sounds pretty neat

[leaden prawn]

If I'm at 1 HP over the abyss and someone is shooting at me and I know I'm going to take a shot, I would want to make sure I AM gliding

interesting

just might save my life

instead of killing me

[turbid flare]

Wait

Refuel

On knocks

?

Bonk you cant spike me

Bonk you cant spike me?

No?

Also boombox isnt an item, unless stasis shard is boombox

[leaden prawn]

It's probably a mob drop item

[turbid flare]

Well tbf not every item is in the armory yet maybe, theyve added a few more

https://supervive.op.gg/meta-armory?rarity=&search=&tag=

But from what I can see atleast

[leaden prawn]

oh yea there's some new ones I see

nice

[visual plinth]

I already thought it was a lot but there's more goddamn

[leaden prawn]

seems they added consumables

you can filter to them

[turbid flare]

Yeah

[cedar lintel]

Dunks are even more necessary for melee characters with the glider changes imo

I think it’s not hard for newer players to learn that certain characters have dunks and if it’s mostly the melee characters (kingpin short range I guess) then that is a tell for newer players

[visual plinth]

I feel like most people agree on that which is why I've literally not heard "they shouldn't have dunks". I'm specifically complaining about jin dunk cus imo that's the only real issue. And it's fair to not like how they did dunks cus i think soen people have that opinion(I've heard it from othe people not just fate)

[hardy snow]

yeah Jin is the main problem, and maybe brall to a less extent but at least now Brall wont be able to insta-spike with his chain or ranged M1

[visual plinth]

They literally will only be able to spike with their dunks now, which seems fine for most hunters. Especially cus most of them are dodgable

Jin's dunk feels near impossible to dodge unless under specific situations, like celeste or beebo or eplat. I've literally had Jin's do a full 90 degree turn mid air while in the dunk animation just to fucking hit me.
His dunk goes so fucking far. Add on dashing during the animation and you basically dunk from a mile away.
Idk why they wouldn't give jin the turn rate restriction on his dunk, cus literally every other character has one; maaaybe that's for a reason...
Then ofc there is the fact he is 10 times faster ovwr the abyss than literally any other character. Cus fuck it, why not?

My main complaints and issues with jin.

[turbid flare]

Pretty much

Nothing worse than dashing + gliding away

Jin chasing after 2 seconds later

And catching up to dunk without even gliding

The good thing is gliding vs jin is an option more now than before, the bas thing is.. jin can glide too.

[visual plinth]

The things I would change:

• Jin can no longer dash during the dunk animation to shorten the range of his dunk.

• Jin's dunk's cd now only starts after he has used it. To prevent situations where you dodged his dunk but he instantly has it up again so you're cooked now for the most part

• The dunk now has yaw restrictions to stop jin from easily turning mid air to hit you when it feels like it had no right to hit you.

• bhop gives a little smaller impulse to slow him down over the abyss. And to make the infinite running of jin feel less bad.

[visual plinth]

I love when I or my teammates take a single step over the abyss and get dunked by jin. At least kp and brall have to be close, but he doesn't.

[turbid flare]

Kp loses a lot of power this patch btw

With how map is, even with dunk

Everything is just far enough away he will have a hard time hitting hooks

If ppl are on different islands

[visual plinth]

His pick potential is just gonna be more situational

[turbid flare]

Yea

[shy kindle]

I wonder if he makes up for it with damage builds now

Slug shot kp from the trailer has me thinkin

[turbid flare]

Yea

[knotty wolf]

Emergency platform is gone right?

[turbid flare]

It's a comsumable now

[visual plinth]

Beebo and celeste getting indirectly buffed due to all the other forms of perma abyss stay(eplat/epanguin) are now 1 time use unless you have multiple

Any ideas on what might be the difference between autorepair(an exotic perk) and regenerative armor(the uncommon perk)?

[turbid flare]

One is soul

Teamwide + better

The other is the one you get in vaults sometimes

Armor soul is fast regen

[visual plinth]

Oh would make sense

[turbid flare]

Yeah quite a few of the exotic perks are souls

Idk if I like the fact they take up a perk slot though

Is kinda sad

[visual plinth]

Perks in the end kind of do the same thing as souls so it makes sense. Might be a little hard to tell how strong someone is cus you won't be able to tell what perks they have easily

This may just be me but I feel like money trees and avalanche shouldn't be consumables. I can kind of understand money trees being one; but I don't understand why avalanche woukd be one.

Also op.gg's wording is a little weird.
It calls items/powers "utility"
Then all perks are "minor utility"
And idk why it doesn't just call the "inventory" category gloves? Cua that's all it is.

I should stop complaining

[turbid flare]

Yea its weird, agreed

Think its it being 'unreleased' idk

[visual plinth]

I kinds hope that's why. It doesn't make sense otherwise, like they literally have names in game just use those; maybe they don't actually know the names and were never told and didn't look into it enough to find them out, which woukd be fair

Also seems like relics just copy into your deathbox and you don't actually lose them. This could probably cause some duping :)

I hear that a lot for the in favor of squads peeps. But that can always be the case for any size of people

"Why not 5? I wanna play with my whole group but we always have to cut off 1" I say that like if we still had squads. 4 is more natural but I'm just saying it's a bad reason to give for the return of squads.

[visual plinth]

"Queue times" was honestly a fake reason. I'm pretty sure I've already told you what trios really helped with.

Go back and watch the scrims that happened back when squads was a thing or the recent ones if you can find those vods. Ahitbis so confusing where I, a player with year+ experience playing the game, was literally unable to tell what was happening half the fucking time. And assuming ranked becomes good it'd cause similar stuff.

[turbid flare]

No he means that saying "We're doing this to fix queue times" might sound appealing to players

When its like, 4 less people in a game

[visual plinth]

I gave reasons but supposedly I didn't. Stop being like "my opinion is right no matter what" and start having actual conversations. You don't have to agree with me, just talk about why you think what you do rather than just saying "what you're saying is a bad reason cus I said so"(literally what you did). And if I give reasons why what you said was bad refute it if you really think it's bad, but you didn't even try.

[dense flume]

they are keeping them safe from me...

[visual plinth]

What would u do to them...

[visual plinth]

Felt liek it was a simple buzz phrase. There were many other good reasons imo that I didn't think of as a problem originally but looking back they almost definitely were

[twin ridge]

Yes and no, queue times on its own was a fake reason. Trios was the perfect excuse to remove duos, they realized they fed up with two main queued they had to cut one

So ye, it was to improve queue times, but not because there were less ppl in a lobby (which this still helps a bit) but because they needed to remove duos somehow, and the best choice which also removed some chaos and simplified the smirkishes a bit, was merging the queues into trios

And thanks to that they could also split ranked / unranked, attacking another pain point of the community

In the end very few ppl queues unranked actively so the solution was smart

[dense flume]

😼

[rugged summit]

Yes. 🙂

[shy kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-return-of-the-king-lord-of-the-rings-ro-tk-title-card-gif-22191928

[visual plinth]

Ok sweet. Assuming shrike gonna one shit fuel then. Celeste prob bouta struggle I'd assume tho, we'll see

[rugged summit]

We’re launching with trios. Having multiple queues imposes big matchmaking constrains and reduces the quality of matches, so no current plans to expand the queues atm.

[shy furnace]

how likely are we to get ranked arena granted the numbers are there?

[rugged summit]

If a meaningful number of people played Arena we’d more seriously consider it, until that happens we have to spend most of our time updating BR.

(Though will note there have been changes to Arena for 1.0, we wanted to make sure it was updated for a post Armory world)

[atomic hollow]

Mornin bell

[shy furnace]

you do realize thats a bit backwards since people would engage more with it if there was a ranked system right?

[kindred zealot]

prob too much work unless they want to highlight the mode and funnel players into it

Or if people really love it even without ranked

[atomic hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/shouting-development-dozens-of-us-bald-speaking-gif-16881775

[shy furnace]

i would imagine it wouldnt be that hard given they already have one ranked ladder set

and since its 4v4 should be easier to balance

but again im no dev so i cant be sure

[visual plinth]

@rugged summit if it is possible to answer this would be nice.

Just how much snowballing will exist with exotics?
Might be hard to answer this without leaking something, so I'd understand if you can't.

[rugged summit]

Exotics mostly come from bosses in game now, so there’s some amount. That said we’ll be watching it at launch and will tune where necessary.

Important that bosses are worth fighting for and attract player collisions - so important line to walk.

[knotty wolf]

Speaking of matchmaking constraints - have you guys considered lifting the GM duoQ requirements?

Not being able to play with friends (also in GM) is really frustrating.

Also will we be seeing bronze people in our GM/Legend lobbies still?

[turbid flare]

That brings another point, since ranked resets well be able to duo/triple queue at launch

Which, although super fun could be pretty bad

[shy furnace]

they said in one bilibili interview that restrictions will be a bit lighter

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Gru1zsE4J/

at around 2:50 they talk about it

[shy kindle]

Interesting interview

[twin ridge]

dont really take that interview granted for the west, china is not even getting armory on 1.0 (they will get anyway on a bit later) so, take verything said on that interview with a grain of salt, and its only applicable for china

[shy furnace]

so its just korea 2

different publisher different rules i guess

[twin ridge]

more different for china, they are following a different calendar and different logistic issues arise, china has 10+ million pre-registrations, if that translates to atleast 20% playing of course they can have less restrictions with 2 million players

[knotty wolf]

Wow an interview where they can actually answer questions - that was actually enjoyable

[knotty wolf]

It was kinda relative to master, non-specific of GM but fingers crossed

[visual plinth]

It probably won't feel as bad to play against stacks as a solo quer so maybe it'll feel fine. Hard to tell

[twin ridge]

dont expect any changes from open beta until 1-2 weeks imho, TC needs to see the impact in terms of CCU of the game and its supposed rettention

but anyway first week / second week the game will be balanced

because there will be enough ppl to be matchmade

after that, time and luck will tell

[visual plinth]

Oh u meant mm I'm dumb

[twin ridge]

I mean matchmaking balance yeah

nobody should care right now about item balance

game has to be fun

and get players first

[visual plinth]

Yea i agree

[twin ridge]

we should care about unfun balance

like gunner state on open-beta launch

I would not be surprised if gunner himself dropped 30k players from the game

[visual plinth]

Ima be real, I expect a hudson nerf at 1.0, not too sure how big it'll be

[knotty wolf]

Struggling to give them the benefit of the doubt after how they handled the Hudson patch - buuuut fingers crossed

[visual plinth]

Hopefully they lock tf on and don't take months to nerf something that oppressive

[twin ridge]

ttk and heros should be way different from what u were playing Ig, as everything regarding that was revamped

its more about unfun perception, like brall was broken first week but ppl hated more hudson

[visual plinth]

Only the "good" players really made brall a problem so many people woukd just blame mm and say the player was just better cus of how brall was. Well hudson was broken for literally everyone not just good players

[dense flume]

why?

[visual plinth]

Uhhhh, would involve some of the leaks I've seen for ne to give my reason. Cus it isn't just that he'll be atrong in low elos, i have other reasons than just that

[dense flume]

hmmm

purely knowing how bad he is at the moment i dont see why in any world he would get nerfed

[visual plinth]

He's specifically good when his teammates know how to use his kit, which I've always found funny. He's in an ight state rn, but quite a few of the things I've seen will likely push him over the edge.

[dense flume]

interesting

well u know more about hudson than i do

i see him as a bag of meat

[visual plinth]

Hudson no longer wants to stat check, cus he actually loses stat checks most of the time unless the enemy is literally just standing still.

His strength basically comes down to:

• can the hudson's teammates utilize his wires well?
• his ult is his only reliable damage that doesn't really need his team.
  A lot of his wire combos sadly don't have much follow up making them pretty weak even if their damage is actually kinda high.

Hudson might actually become more of a tank now that I think about it. Chs based on lemur's vid hunters will feel like they have a more centralized identity.

Hudsin might in fact be indirectly nerfed cus his whole thing is having high damage to make being near him punishing. I forgot about this change

[dense flume]

i feel like he is completly lackluster outside of securing bosses with his ult

noone does it better than him

[visual plinth]

That's kind of what i thought too until I played in some custom arena where I was guaranteed a good team. My wires feeling impactful for the first time ever really changed how he felt. I don't think there is really any other character that feels that different just cus they have actual good teammates

[hard kestrel]

Hudson kinda just an "Enforcement" Provides utility for teammates but gets nothing really done on his own.

[visual plinth]

Yea that's how he feels to me. I atill like him by himself, but he definitely feels so much better to play with an actual team. He has some of the strongest teammups in the game well being kind of mediocre himself.

[knotty wolf]

Will we get an answer to this?

Would love to see an open discussion about this

Forwarded answer from safelocked

#1367999327405871194 message

[shy kindle]

My take is that in an ideal environment with GM+ filled lobbies it wouldn't be the end of the world to remove or lessen restrictions. Though I do still hold a firm belief that The communication and synergy you would share with your duo/trio would put you at an inherent advantage over trios filled with solos, and that that would harm competitive integrity.

With that being said I do believe that the current restrictions won't feel as bad if the playerbase can actively fill balanced lobbies with players of relatively equal skill levels.

[leaden prawn]

My hope is we get enough players and TC decides to have two ranked modes: solo & team with no restrictions on team

I think the importance of solo queue is underestimated but I understand the concern with splitting queues

[atomic hollow]

Yea, there were a LOT of people at OB launch that straight up hated the game because of the top squads making roaming death stacks

[cedar lintel]

I think with the new armory system maybe competitive integrity should be worried about less and more focus should be on having fun and incentivizing high elo players to play and climb

[woven delta]

It's weekend so devs probably wont respond until Monday

[shy kindle]

I think we're viewing this from two different lenses.

I view a ranked ladder as an inherently competitive experience where a certain level of fairness should be expected for every individual player.

I can understand the argument for wanting to incentivize playing and the climb, but from my perspective the only way to do that is to make it as fair as reasonably possible for everyone involved.

I seem to recall a lot of player getting bored of ranked because of unbalanced lobbies. While my hypothetical of trios vs 3 solos isn't exactly a 1 to 1 to what was experienced in bronze-legend spanning lobbies, I hope it can communicate why I'm thinking about it the way I do

[woven delta]

All of the true competitive stuff is in custom lobbies anyway, which will have an equalized armory for all players; so for the top players i dont think it'll matter too much

[woven delta]

But i think that's more of a skill imbalance. Supervive has proved time and time again that you can win with a gear disadvantage. I think one thing people forget to consider is the strongest relics are not in the armory system but from bosses. There's still so much more outside of the armory system to look for in a match

[shy kindle]

I'm confused. Aren't we just talking about ranked restrictions?

My main point is restrictions stop you from queueing into Pyn, Hight, Spades as a trio. They have immense amounts of practice together and even if they are up against teams of similar skill level, the communication diff alone would decide the fight (in most cases) before it even begins.

Honestly if itemization is wacky I'm here for it. I just think ranked restrictions should stay in some form

[atomic hollow]

Having to 1v4 TLD at OB launch was always rough, lol

[shy kindle]

Maybe some middle ground like a cooldown for squading up in gm+ or something? Idk

[cedar lintel]

Yeah that’s kind of what I’m getting at, you can have a healthy but fun ladder and then the true “even” playing field could be save for events

[cedar lintel]

I’d probably allow duos in gm plus

People like playing with their friends and this game is inherently social

But I also believe if the player base can grow and is healthy enough solo q will work if everyone in the lobby is gm plus

I’ll be playing regardless

But just a thought

[knotty wolf]

Gotcha thanks

[shy kindle]

I agree with this statement wholesale

[cedar lintel]

Guys imma be talking big time until this game comes back my adhd won’t allow me to chill

I’m hyper fixating

[leaden prawn]

I'm excited too. I stopped playing a couple weeks ago and haven't been paying much attention but now on the edge of my seat looking for any morsel of info

[shy kindle]

I yearn for a world where we can let people queue up with as many friends as possible without damage to match quality.

I think in a perfect world gm+ becomes the minority of players instead of the majority and then the queue restrictions start to justify themselves as people treat ranked more and more competitively and with more and more reverence to what rank says about a player.

Right now Legend is an hours check. I would love to see it become more than that.

[shy kindle]

I started medicating for the first time in my life 2 days ago and I have never wanted to converse with people more in my life. Yap all you want I am living for this

[leaden prawn]

It sounds like we can expect some more marketing drops before release based on what I heard in Reliq's cast

[shy kindle]

Actually in regards to this I had to tell some of my friends we probably can't do ranked together when they come back for 1.0 bc I'll be on the Legend grind lmao

Sadge. I really want them to stick with this game. They only left bc rivals grabbed their attention (and hudson meta)

[cedar lintel]

Shits life changing

[shy kindle]

REAL

[cedar lintel]

I have a group that did the same thing, they are coming back for 1.0 though!

[shy kindle]

Also i slept 3 hours last night because my doctor recommended I take them too late in the day lmao

Shit was not worn off in time

Pulled it back by 4 hours here's hoping I sleep tonight

o7

[cedar lintel]

Give yourself 8 hours at first and it will go to about 6 hours after you adjust

The latest I can take mine is like 1 if I wanna go to bed by 10

[shy kindle]

On the bright side unranked now has a purpose and doesn't feel like you're not getting anything out of it. So we can always queue that with our friends and it'll be rewarding in some way

[cedar lintel]

Yeah that’s a good point

Hoping for player base growth so ranked and normals can have healthy ques

[shy kindle]

Mine lasted a solid like 18 hours before going away. Weaker effect the last 6 hours for sure but my mind would not quiet down

I'm going to assume it's just the omboarding period while I adjust to it

[cedar lintel]

Yeah

[shy kindle]

If it persists more than a week and a half then I'll talk to me dr

[cedar lintel]

Dosage and how sensitive you are all depends

[shy kindle]

Had a similar issue with a separate medication where I was lethargic for 2 weeks until it went away overnight and have had no complications since

[cedar lintel]

Also eat with it to avoid the lack of hunger

Well for what I’m taking at least

Could take this to dms for more deets probably more appropriate lol

[shy kindle]

Hehe dm time

[raven ingot]

im right here bro

[shy kindle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1234786769606676480/1395612022816641115/ellunafeet.gif

Omw

[visual plinth]

I would love for the devs to maybe just look into lifting the restrictions even if it will hurt ranked competitivety a bit. Simply because queing with friends is that much more fun; the armory would probably give them even more of an advantage honestly which does suck.

Some of the most fun I've ever had in this game was during a 2 month ish period when I qued with this group of people that I met in game, due to the fact I didn't know them outside of the game when the restrictions happened I kind of just stopped playing with them; I'd still duo eith one of them every once in a while but it basically split up the entire group.
"Even if it wasn't necessarily healthy, why do lower ranks get to have a community in game well higher ranks gotta look outside the game" I started thinking that quite a bit

[raven ingot]

I drew this for lemur

[shy kindle]

Hey you added me on steam

[visual plinth]

I just said it was a bad reason for bringing back squads. Cus having a group of 4 players doesn't change that it isn't really a good reason for bringing squads back.

[shy kindle]

Bet can do. What server are you?

Oop I am an NA gamer

With bad ping to eu

Lol this topic has gone so far off the beaten path already it's all good

[hardy snow]

One might argue that people getting stomped by fullstacks quit the game out of frustration, but the same goes for many high ranked people quitting because they can't play with their friends anymore. I saw so much of this when restrictions came into play once everyone reached master/gm

Restrictions will be an even bigger deal with the armory cause your smurfs won't be having all the unlocks. Then people might not even bother with smurfs and just quit the game altogether

[mental pike]

That makes no sense cos if ur smurfing but ur too shit to make up for item gap then ur just bad and shouldnt try smurfing to begin with and just have an alt acc in an elow below ur peak

Which is what they all should do instead of smurfing in bronze

n then being like hah devs wont do this so we will just smurf

[brittle crag]

that's exactly what Gajoo means by smurfing in this instance it's just for lack of a better term besides "low rank alting", the purpose isn't necessarily to dominate it's more about having the ability to play with friends in the mode not infested with bots

[mental pike]

Ah well, i mean that is fine no? they can just smurf up to gm play some for fun or weird build games m aybe lose a bit and just stay gm

But in trios having duos ijust by default take 80% of top rank is yeah maybe fun for that tiny % but fkcs it over for the rest, but again its casual target and shit so it doesn tmatter

BUt then im confused why they make it sound like supervive will be competitive in anouncement

[shy furnace]

Conflicting decisions i guess

There is a clear communication problem within tc and its partners/players

[mental pike]

ye

same as me argueing rn with miles that we shoudl be positive or negative x y z, each side has reasons wether morally good or not doesn tmatter. Fact is if they are straightup and not delusional its instantly lesser of it

just say u wanna go for casual sesaon without caring all too much about ranked or w/e

and maybe branch the game into a competitive queue or whatever later ok np

but not this shit pretending its gonna be competitive when near ever y competitive person or player with experience in other games x y z tells u its shit

[ember nebula]

Miles doesn’t argue he states facts

It’s a confirmed fact that miles is never wrong

[shy kindle]

What the

What in the gawk gawk

[hard kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/christron3000-gawk-gawk-gif-20863707

[ocean belfry]

Alright I want to like this armory system but I’ve been playing hours and I don’t think I’m even remotely anywhere to where I can start customizing my characters to play them differently

It really just feels like Paragons card system all over again and I wasn’t a fan of that either

But I am enjoying wukong and all the other stuff at least

[balmy hawk]

Honestly, hate is a strong word but I hate it. Why not follow what other games do for progression? When Overwatch came out first, I played that game endlessly, not because it had any progression or whatsoever, just because it was fun to play. The game needed more "fun", not this abysmal retention tactics.

Also, armory reminds me of the old rune system in league which made me quit for years and switch to dota (which I already originated from). armory is not a good solution to retention.

[pliant fractal]

I don't know if armory has to grow on me or something but i don't really enjoy it as of today. Everything else is super cool.

[quiet stream]

Finally someone who's comparing it to the league rune system which was stupid and removed for a reason.

[west wren]

at least runes weren't tied to a gacha system

but yeah they weren't very good either

[twin ridge]

they were tied for a longer grind through Influence points and you could p2w by buying IP boosts, btw

[west wren]

I would argue that the only real issue was having to buy pages

[twin ridge]

you are not remembering the system correctly then

for example, for playing hecarim top

you needed to spend around 20k IP

on specific runes

to the build page that made him work

[west wren]

yeah it was bad

[twin ridge]

the quintesences of 3% movespeed

and those IP didnt allow you to buy champions and/or pages

also, remember when you could mix 3 tier 2 into a single RANDOM tier 3 rune?

and before the removal, tierr 2 runes were super discounted so everyone could have a semiwhat decent page with t2 runes

nothing of this happens with armory.

[west wren]

yeah as a system armory is more "fair" than runes

but tbh legendary items are so op

the gap is honestly way bigger than runes were

[covert prism]

so u dont realy played in s1 in lol xD making runes sometimes took u 2 weeks of playing just to make page for AD

at start it was hard

after time they nerf cost

[edgy forge]

Yeah honestly cross-game progression coupled with RNGesus?

Very not cool.

Ima give them this one, they were probably scrambling because of low pop and then went and way overcommitted resources to changes that either don't really impact (Home screen and related UI) or worsen (Grinding Gacha) the game. Not a great foot to start on, hopefully they don't forefit all of their launch day hype over it. I'll keep playing to keep the momentum up but ehhhhh

[tight ether]

I think the solution would be to allow anyone to forge any specific armory item they want with a set price and have the rotating shop be discounts, rarities obviously impacting price so you have to grind for the better items but you can choose what you unlock at your own pace

Keeps player retention, stops the weird mini gacha system, and allows for more creative builds sooner

Right now the issue I see a lot is that you basically have to rely on a rotating shop (rng), finding the right items in game and winning (rng), or cracking a case (rng) and that prevents any amount of agency from the player

[hard kestrel]

I really want to build craft but it feels awful I cant do it without rnging stuff 😭

[tight ether]

Same, I was genuinely looking forward to a more dps heavy KP build with slugshots, then I realized I would have to rely on building an ungodly amount of attack speed and that instantly killed it for me

[hard kestrel]

I made a 0cd hudson hover build but I dont have that stuff unlocked so...

[tight ether]

Armory on paper is a 10/10 idea killed by rng

[hard kestrel]

Great idea bad execution

(Btw its so similar to starwars battlefront 2's original starcard system)

(It was pay to win but they removed that. It still was ass so they removed it)

[ocean belfry]

The whole 1.0 gimmick was to play supervive your way customizing your hunter but I didn't think I'd have to grind the game unemployment levels before getting enough items to customize ONE hunter..

[crystal kernel]

I’ve just been doing capsules only for efficient collection. First day of evening of playing after work I got most of the grips, and a few different relics.

Haven’t gotten any boots yet though 😦

[heavy wyvern]

@rugged summit could you clarify one thing since idk if Im missing something here.
am I wrong or does the new armory system encourages not unlocking more and more items to not dilute the item pool in your matches ? Since If I dont unlock them they cant appear in the match.
That way I am more likely to get the items in the ingame gold shop I want no ?

[half garnet]

Seems some folks missed it in the patch notes, but favoriting an item increases chances itl be rolled. So its not 100% rng; you can influence it a bit, thoigh they should increase the boost and add badluck prevention so you guarantee getting it after x number of capsules.

[tardy python]

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS

[rugged summit]

You can access all of your armory unlocks in the shop in-game. It’s not a random pool out of your collection. (Be sure to expand the shop options when you’re at the store)

[rugged summit]

It’s not actually a set of rolls, you can just expand the shop options by clicking on expand on the left. 🙂

[half garnet]

@crystal kernel
The bottom part here

[slate comet]

Doesnt that just mean it’ll be pinned in the in game shop?

[unique pendant]

its both

[raw spindle]

PLEASE THIS

[half garnet]

Yeah... maybe I misunderstood it.
They used the term discovery in lots of places to mean unlocking something for the first time

[unique pendant]

items uve pinned have a slightly higher drop chance

at least the base form

its noticible

[half garnet]

My question is if they have higher drop chance for the non base form

[slate comet]

Hmmm really shouldve been explained better 😭

[unique pendant]

it says discoverability so im unsure

i doubt tbh

[half garnet]

If they don't they really should. And also tell us what the chances boost is + make it much bigger

I'd accept that if they don't want to make a raw meta item shop with everything in it always purchaseable

[glass valve]

Armory feels like a collectible card game system like LoR or Hearthstone

In those games players already arrive with the expectation that they will have different collections and that having more cards will make it easier to succeed in game

This shit would go so hard in a single player roguelite

MOBA and BR players are not in that headspace, just hearing about this will put a bad taste in their mouths and then you’re already in the uphill battle of trying to convince them

[fickle laurel]

If devs truly want to die on this armoury stuff at least allow ranked to make all items make rank

So the little stuff I have because I can’t grind 4hours a day isn’t the shittier version

Because some of the relics the difference between 1 star and 3 star is not marginal

[tight ether]

On paper the armory is a really cool concept that they decided to inject with 35mg of gacha

[fickle laurel]

Very big number and passive differences

For example 1 star being persistent revive

Vs 3 star allowing you revive death boxes

Now imagine in ranked when u go to a relic shop ur elluna only has the 1 star version but enemy team can buy the 3 star version

[unkempt pelican]

just play 200 hours and unlock it, whats the problem

maybe more if you're unlucky

[fickle laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/think-bro-gif-22403438

Another thing as well if ur not good at this gain prisma gains are painfully slow

[prime herald]

just win

easy + 500

[regal wing]

im literally depressed by this bro

i loved this game

gacha grind for loot in a competitive game is insane

[ocean belfry]

It is day 2, and I have increased my distaste for the armory system, I do not enjoy earning 500 prismas and spending it on a gacha for a useless item that wont be useful to the 2-3 characters i play, I do not look forward to playing 1000 hours to get all the items/3 star all the items i want to FINALLY start customizing my hunters and playing them in different setups, I dont enjoy losing 50% of my prismas upon death, making the grind even longer than it already is, I hate worrying that I wont collect enough prismas by next reset to collect the revive support relic on the rotation right now, enabling FOMO

im only playing just cause the gameplay itself is so fun to me and i love the roster, i hate this armory gacha progression

I hate knowing that if I take a break any time ill be behind and go against fully kitted out players with 3 star gear the next time I hop back on

I feel ashamed telling my friends that they have to gacha rng grind their way to get items to use in game and to customize their hunters

sorry for crashing out i love this game so much but i just cant support this system

[glass valve]

Valid crashout

[hard kestrel]

Valid

[hardy snow]

What I don't get is why Prisma shows ingame next to everyone's health bar, even though it has zero effect on gameplay*, cluttering the screen which has already huge amount of infornation.

*Yes you can extract Prisma in outposts but no one is gonna do that in scrims or tournaments so what is the point... (unless Prisma becomes tied to a points system somehow)

Ok I guess you want to go after teams with high Prisma to steal that, but eh, feels weird

[ocean belfry]

I wish this system was tested with us open beta players so we could've told them this system wouldn't be appealing to new players at all (and some veterans)

now new players are going to look at supervive with a MIXED review on steam and the culprit? gacha rng mechanics that affects CORE gameplay, not cosmetics
sad but im also going to leave a negative review until major changes happen to armory

[hard kestrel]

I feel the reason they DIDINT let open beta players test is was because they knew no one would like it

[ocean belfry]

I was also thinking this and it just hurts more

like who is the target audience here? the genshin/honkai/wuwa/ZZZ or whatever players aren't dropping their gacha slop for a gacha battle royale

[hard kestrel]

I honeslty do not know

Im not sure if they know either

[ocean belfry]

now I just need to know how CN thinks of this system since gacha is very popular over there

[unkempt pelican]

its genuinely shocking it made it through QA

if there is any

[hard kestrel]

Been saying their link to the community is broken. They dont really hear the community

[twin ridge]

CN has no armory yet

[ocean belfry]

stfu ur not serious

LMFAO?

[unkempt pelican]

how does that work are we scapegoats lol

[ocean belfry]

REALLY?

this cant be real no way

[twin ridge]

they dont have arena either

they are on open beta

[ocean belfry]

CN are THE people to push gacha stuff to

wtf

[twin ridge]

they will have it

[ocean belfry]

oh

[twin ridge]

but not inmeadiatly

[ocean belfry]

we're beta testing it

got it

[twin ridge]

cn like to pay real money for it though

its not like they like free gamba, they like to pay money for power

which is not the case here

[glass valve]

I feel like that’s weird
Like if Prisma is going to save us, wouldn’t we want the biggest group of players (CN) to have it immediately to prevent them from leaving?

[ocean belfry]

i dont want to crash out again im just gonna leave my negative steam review and be at peace

[glass valve]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[twin ridge]

is the first time they experience the game, they just have to push the update on some weeks, old system was decent for atleast 1 week or two

[ocean belfry]

I was mainly joking with my title but now 2 days post-1.0 I ended up predicting the future holy fuck

I hate this

[waxen mauve]

Said about it back in March https://discord.com/channels/852642429105995786/1354892939809001632

nobody listened

[ocean belfry]

depression

[tight ether]

I think this is probably the ONLY solution atp if they’re dying on the armory hill

Not to shill my point home

But you can’t have both worlds

Either you keep player retention by making consistent progression or you risk player retention and make risky choices

Claiming this is for “player retention” is very disingenuous

Like I love supervive’s gameplay to death and even love the concept of an armory

In the same breath why the fuck am I seeing my progress rely entirely on RNG gimmicks

Like literally NOTHING is consistent about the armory

If even 1 route of progress was consistent it’d be fine

But every single path to progression is completely rng

And that’s just bad

[ocean belfry]

this company is advertising to league players saying "come play league of legends battle royale except our item shop is locked behind gacha duplicate farming"

how is this appealing

[crystal kernel]

The weekly chest system does not appear to be RNG

[waxen mauve]

Grind system tho

[crystal kernel]

Yep

[iron iron]

i dont like meta progression in a competitive game, it can ruin competitive integrity and makes the people that pull better or grind harder have an unfair advantage in a game that should in my opinion have everyone equal on game start, it advertising as a moba br and all.

[stark atlas]

At the point of me writing this, China version has everything 1.0 has including new UI, champions and skins
But the ingame experience is pre-1.0: armory is disabled, Old power and item upgrade system is still there, old fuel and spiking mechanic

[ocean belfry]

interesting

[atomic hollow]

The biggest issue I see with giving everyone everything with the armory is that is way too much stuff, like, immagine someone coming in the first time and expecting to take in every single item in the armory and understand it

[atomic hollow]

Yea, thats mostly Beurocracy, international law, and other stuff that isn't in TC's control

[iron iron]

@atomic hollow i think the progression system helps in that way tbh since they unlock things one at a time

[atomic hollow]

That's kinda what the armory is meaning to do, gives you all the items in the armory over time at once

Dont get me wrong

It aint perfect

Its needs to REALLY be fine tuned, and have more control, but It's a good way to introduce players into the items without dumping all of it onto their lap

[visual plinth]

I think it wouldn't matter much honestly. You understand over time even if it may feel a little overwhelming, but I feel like any game will feel like that to an extent.

[atomic hollow]

Part of the reason a lot of people stopped at beta was because it was overwhelming, and a lot of people stated that

[waxen mauve]

League or dota have recommended builds for it. One returning streamer yesterday was playing the game and said that he doesn't like meta and then he saw that he also needs to lvl up his account to get more consumable slots. He got so angry abt it. No a good look for the game for sure.

[visual plinth]

Hmm didn't know that. Feel like there might be a better way to handle that than locking everyone out of even testing stuff.

[waxen mauve]

I honestly don't think that 1.0 anyhow better for a new players to get the grasp of the systems in the game, I would say it became even worse, but idk

[atomic hollow]

Its more to drip feed them info about items

The speed is honestly pretty meh, but the idea is that you learn it as you unlock it

[waxen mauve]

But previously people were just taking recommended items and didn't even think about them. Powers were not explored by newcomers, that's for sure. But I feel like now it's less fun to interact with relics than it was before with powers

[glass valve]

Tie it to Hunters Journey or something
Every time you level up on Hunters Journey they show you a new Grip or Kick that you can now buy in shop

Perhaps have the in game shops rotate so each match has a different pool of available items and new player isn’t reading through 40 items

Obviously not perfect tho

[fringe quartz]

I tried it.

If the primary goals of the system were around builds and customizing play style, the system would've had the options available by default.

The actual primary goal of the system is to increase player retention, through gacha-induced meta-progression.

Builds and playstyle customization are, at best, secondary goals.

If that's the direction TC wants(/needs) to go, all power to you, but call a spade a spade at least.

[distant jetty]

I think its pretty clear its meant to do both. Both meta progression and greater depth to builds lead to better player retention. Saying builds and playstyles was a secondary goal is literally just your opinion.

[fringe quartz]

If builds and playstyle customization were the primary goals then the options enabling builds and playstyle customizations would have been made available, as stated.

Player retention was the primary goal. It's not just my opinion. The implementation is the evidence.

[hard kestrel]

Yeah

[glass valve]

The issue is that similar build and playstyle decisions were possible before because the Relics, Grips, etc of today mirror the Powers and Equipment of yesteryear
The thing everyone is complaining about is the RNG acquisition system, which enables customization about as much as it creates moments of “I wish I could use Grip X but I didn’t roll it so I’ll run Grip Y which is a little worse for this character”

There was always some randomness in what you found in a match but now the randomness follows you and effects all of your matches

[grave shadow]

it's just horrible. the game on the beta was amazing the items were good and the progression INSIDE the game was perfect, now I play to get the CHANCE to buy more stuff, that can be horrible to the character I want

[lean tinsel]

And also it is pay to win. Haven't any of you heard the old adage "Time is money"?

[twin ridge]

then every game is

as you get better with time

even if its not playing if you use time to improve for example, vod reviewing in your meme comparison would be p2w

[lean tinsel]

I'm going to lock league of legends' item shop. You can purchase items from a store in the client or roll for them based on how much you play.

💀

Vod reviewing is p2w is based

Outlaw recording software

[shy kindle]

I wouldn't 100% agree that similar build and playstyle options were possible before. A sizeable amount of the new items change stats that we had no access to previously like attack range, attack speed, infinite mana, etc. As well as a bunch of new playstyle defining actives.

[twin ridge]

I dont need a comparison, Im just disliking your way of saying "its p2w because time is money" when to improve at anything you need time therefore everything would be p2w

Idc about the rest ngl

[fringe quartz]

Agree with this notionally, though I'd also say that keeping things F2P is important, as in some markets, the time to money ratio can be prohibitive on average to actually engaging with a paid model (IE: more "fair", globally).

But I agree with where I think your sentiment is going in that, ideally, you should be playing a game because you're having fun with the game and deem it an enjoyable use of your time, not to push your meta-progression for the game so that you can hopefully start having fun with it.

[twin ridge]

everyone agrees that ideally this game should have hundreds of thousands of players just by how fun the gameplay its, but playerbase historically has shown it needed something extra...

[shy kindle]

I think supervive is in a weird middle-ground genre and that makes it especially hard to stick for new players. It breaks a lot of moba and hero shooter conventions and finding the comfortable familiarity within its sister genres is imo the biggest thing that this game ahs been missing for sticking new players.

NO idea how to improve that though without committing further in either of those directions

[fringe quartz]

Yes, I agree with you. The game has historically had retention problems, and I understand why they are looking at gacha systems. If it lets them keep making the game they want to make (with some compromise), and gives Supervive a thriving community, well, maybe it's worth it (I am notionally against it, but understand their position and why they would do it).

Just don't insult people's intelligence and lie about what the systems you're implementing are there for.

[twin ridge]

yeah agree, I think you have to treat supervive as an special breed, not comparing it only to mobas/BRs, just realizing its it own thing and focusing on improving it as a game, not as a game of X genre

[twin ridge]

I mean yeah thats just beautiful PR wording

[glass valve]

Yeah, and those new items are fantastic, all I want is for them to not have rng progression stapled on

The interesting build decisions here are coming from the actual design of the items and not the acquisition system

[twin ridge]

If I had every item available I would just build whatever op.gg says its the strongest statistically, on each hunter

[fringe quartz]

If op.gg can tell you, carte blanche, what is best for a given hunter, then there's no notion of build / playstyle variety anyway. You'll just use the next best thing that you do have access to.

[glass valve]

But right now it’s the exact same except I get disappointed that I can’t have the strongest build

Do you play TCGs?

You crack booster packs and everyone has a different collection of cards
But there is STILL a list of best decks
The difference is that the random paid acquisition drives up the cost of the good decks to hundreds of dollars

The random packs won’t stop the best options from existing, it’s just going to make people try and open more and more packs to get the best stuff

[fringe quartz]

(Which is the point. More and more packs, in this context, represents more and more time invested in playing the game.)

[grave shadow]

yeah the gameplay is amazing its one of my favorite games gameplay-wise

and indeed it needed something extra to keep players on the game, though a system that makes lootboxes a CORE system on the gameplay loop ain't it

like, before youd just play and make your build for your character, now I cant even play another character because I didnt have the luck to unlock the items I want.

you play for and only for lootboxes now, you get out of a match, gamble, hope you get the item that you want and start another round, like its too grindy, you don't grind for wins anymore you grind for lootboxes

[twin ridge]

I think what should be addressed maybe is that the thinking of "you cant" play another character feels wrong, maybe give some basic builds so the feeling is that everything is "playable". I dont think that, but I can understand that you might

maybe instead of starting the armory from scratch some set of greens and greys should be defaultly unlocked

[grave shadow]

yeah there's the basic build but like, end game you will still be using the basic build with grey items

[twin ridge]

that is why I say some greens as well, as a baseline

[grave shadow]

I've expressed it wrong, it doesn't make a character not playable, but still. and it was cool upgrading the items to red/pink rarity and seeing your character grow stronger trough the match

[twin ridge]

and didnt it make for you any unfairness feeling when you met an unlucky team without it on red and demolishing them?

I didnt like to be ran down/run myself down just because whatever stack ran out the lobby

I think it was a downside of the old system

[grave shadow]

no!! it didn't feel unfair because I got to the red rarity BECAUSE I've farmed a lot of minions faster and killed other players faster, and only because I did that I was rewarded with the stones to upgrade my equipment

and even if there was an unlucky team that didn't get kills, you could also farm minions and upgrade your items through the shop

now if someone has a relic that is good for their character and I don't in the end even if I got more kills or farmed more, I can't buy a better item or upgrade mine, I'll just stay with the same ones, even if I got them early game

[fringe quartz]

It was stated earlier in this thread that it's very possible that players won't end up with Level 3 of their desired loadout within a season.

[mental pike]

when ppl go “ yeah… they just liked old supervive more so thats why they complain” i just think about a friend being like dont worry bro ur baywatch material when some1 call u fat cos ur 600 onyx stones

XD wrong location

well fk it is history now

[tight ether]

Simple explanation of why this system sucks:
Let’s say you play 2 Hunters (generous amount icl) competently and want to build decently viable / meta builds for them. Let’s (again generously) assume that 50% of the items overlap between the two of them. That means, on average, assuming you check the shop daily, grind constantly, and attempt to do as many quests as possible for every case, with an assumed average of 1-2 items showing up you’d want a week, you’d take around 3-4 weeks to make a build that would work for either character, 5-6 for both

Heres why that sucks - thats assuming thats actually what happens

What really happens is constant dupes, constant whiffs in the shop and capsules, and rarely getting smth you want or need for a hunter you play

This system does not work

[edgy forge]

I fixed their engagement issue and terrible gacha system: #1398448530409918585 message

[edgy forge]

Oh yeah I didn't even consider people wanting to play multiple hunters or people who don't have a main. OOF THAT BLOWS

[tight ether]

Yes its rough

[unkempt cargo]

played 3 days and have a decent build for my main. part of a build for my secondary, 4000 prisma and a choice between 2 legendaries and an epic waiting for me on the weekly reset…
that’s playing 2-3 hours a night on a bad vacation pc and i’m no great player… i think your numbers are a bit off. You could end up being extremely unlucky and that sucks and should be cared for (#giveusfullforgeftw) but i think your numbers are a bit off

[high depot]

I played in the beta, but before the full release I hadn't played in a while because I tend to rotate between games often. I heard this game had full released so I thought "oh neat, I'll play that". So me and my friend queued up into a game, where we spent the whole game getting no items and trying to figure out where to get them. We won but we were confused, until we claimed our first loot box. We then went on to play a few more games which followed the trend of "do well early, lose before endgame to players with full builds." This system isn't fun. I understand the point is to create build diversity, but it doesn't. It means I'm locked into playing one character, with one build, because playing anything else I haven't fully grinded out means I'm at a disadvantage

Just give us the full arsenal immediately so we can actually experiment with items and builds and characters

[ocean belfry]

they wont because you'll have nothing to grind for

[hard kestrel]

They had to make the game a 10 000Hour game afterall

[high depot]

then they should add like cosmetic progression or something. If league required you to grind access to the full item shop every season it would be a dead game

[prime herald]

if league released this year it would be a dead game

At realease league had rune system

[shy kindle]

Big agree

[high depot]

Possibly, but original league runes were completely different for a few reasons. League already had an item system which allowed you to build any given champ differently even without having any runes.
Also runes didn't reset, once you collected them they were a permanent part of your collection

Point being they were minor boosts to existing diverse play styles as opposed to supervives current system which locks any and all champion build diversity behind a loot box system, and tells you outright your progress will be lost every season

Just doesn't inspire much reason to play imo

Also you could buy the runes you wanted, no loot box system

[final axle]

Highly disagree on if league released this year would be a dead game. If you remove League from the equation no other moba out there is even remotely close to League. The genre itself would die. What are the successors, Heroes of the Storm? Dota 2? Dota 2 has been slowly dying, game is becoming more complex and is nowhere even near to being casual friendly. They expanded the map for some ungodly reason and added so many more objectives to the point that unless you no-life it, just play Turbo matches and never touched normal or ranked 💀

If League released today they'll just be touching a market that only has Dota 2 as a competitor and no one else

Rune system in League and Supervive is wildly different. I did compare thes two before but that was before 1.0 even came out. Supervive's armory is wildly 10x more impactful than League's rune system it's not even that comparable. It's not just a matter of +0.95 Attack Damage like old League is, it's literally adding +15% damage, literally new abilities like reviving from deathbox by just touching it, adding two hooks, invulnerability etc.

[prime herald]

lmao.

1- if genre would be dead as you said, then league just wouldnt revive it.

2- Rune system was infinitely more impact full. ( you literally couldnt lane AND SO COULD NOT RANKED until you have a FULL RUNE PAGE FOR A SINGLE charater)

[final axle]

1- I only mentioned League not dying because it's a useless hypothetical that will never happen and does not even come comparably close to something like Supervive

2 - Rune system was not more impactful. I don't know how you think adding two dashes to Brall or giving healers like Zeph deathbox revivals is completely less impactful than +0.95 attack damage

[high depot]

Having played both systems I think super vives items have a larger impact simply for the fact that as entirely new item actives whereas runes were just stats

[final axle]

I played during that era of League, having no rune stuff was miserable, but it was not that impactful

the only thing that was infuriating to play against before was 1% crit and only because the crit system in League was godawful

[high depot]

It's true that runes were necessary to be competitive but so are items in supervive. They both matter, but supervives approach limits players far more

[ocean belfry]

Ok they addressed every single problem I personally had with the armory system so I’m good now

thank u devs for listening o7

[glass valve]

This really is a W SUPERVIVE moment

[high depot]

Where'd they post changes?

[glass valve]

#📰│supervive-info

[shy kindle]

HUGE W patch

[ocean belfry]

Changing my review back to positive 🙏

[high depot]

Hmm, it's certainly a good step, I guess we'll see

[twin ridge]

thats nice to hear man

enjoy the game

I loved the daily quest increase, will help csual players a lot

on logging for dailies and feel like they got somthing out of it

only dailies is straight a x3 in capsule openings

[ocean belfry]

yea they did more than what I expected them to do so im very happy lol I can finally enjoy the process, yes competitive integrity blah blah blah but at the end of the day this game needs people/casuals playing first before worrying about comp

new goalpost: BUFF EVA NOW!

[tight ether]

They basically did exactly what I suggested

[ember nebula]

They should add an option to buy one of any relic you want for like 5k prisma or some insane price

It’s really annoying being stuck 1 resonating idol away from being able to use it

[ocean belfry]

yes they mentioned a long-term project/fix is in the works to chase after/upgrade 1 specific gear you want

[ember nebula]

oh sick

[fickle laurel]

Should’ve been how the relic system was shipped from day 1 lol

[ocean belfry]

I agree and it’s what I asked for day 1 but xd at least it’ll come eventually now

[opaque minnow]

It's the average TC moment where they deliver something turbo uncooked and insanely undertested then go ahead and wonder why people are crying about it or why they're getting negative reviews

Instead of releasing something that's once again undertested and clearly not developed enough and then pay off every streamer to play the game how about we actually finish it BEFORE doing allat, so we don't lose 1k players a day.

[prime herald]

Still waiting for actual ads btw, sponsored stream is just a waste of money imo

[visual plinth]

I agree.

I've only seen 1 ad that wasn't a sponsored stream so far.

[deep cloak]

First impressions, ya lost your chance tc.

I'm just playing rn chasing the high I used to have back then

I really dearly miss the old gear system

[bold niche]

The old gear system was literally none, just getting the same items for stats the whole time. Now you have motivation to play, and builds to try and imagine

Don't like it, don't play, simple

[prime herald]

0 here

[visual plinth]

The main reason I didn't like it is cus literally almost evwry character ran the exact same thing. With only oath, kp, and hudson having their meta builds not be the exact same as everyone else's. Was forever my main complaint back then

[deep cloak]

Grinding for items to be able to match what I used to get relatively reliably each match is what's really troubling me

Once youve maxed out your items, tempo is very different and game plan has to be altered to even be able to purchase the decked out items in game

Also I'm not even sure if some builds are viable anymore

Since HP isn't an item stat anymore

And Some powers don't exist anymore

Rip rmb max Felix

[bold niche]

Can't say much about it since I don't play felix + im not good enough to know about macro / gameplans. For now I just run around trying to outplay people and rank up

I feel like those things can only be learnt from others unlike gamesense, which you can improve by playing. But thats a different topic

[fickle laurel]

nah they waiting for player count to drop to 1k then change it

[ocean belfry]

ok this dupe stuff is starting to piss me off

back to the war

[glass valve]

Armory putting everyone on a damn character arc

[ocean belfry]

SUPERGACHA IS NO MORE

WE FUCKING DID IT YALL WOOOO

wait where is everyone

https://tenor.com/view/leon-s-kennedy-leon-kennedy-resident-evil-4-re4-bingo-gif-3022693016254182138

[cedar grove]

damm

kinda sad gif

[high depot]

Took too long

But I'm glad they did it at least

Though personally I got into 2xko beta yesterday so I'm probably not coming back for at least a while

[glass valve]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-impossible-star-wars-luke-skywalker-no-gif-17196576

[knotty wolf]

gang shit

[dense flume]

we won

and what did we lose? fucking everything

[pliant fractal]

We need a motivational speech

[brave magnet]

What did we lose? I suppose only the unfair advantage of how strong 3 stars are against people who dont play a lot

Could also be relating to the games playerbase in this regard, which would be fair, becauae armory did not do the game justice

[vagrant harness]

prophetic statement

[ocean belfry]

😭😭😭

[fickle laurel]

saw it from the mile awhile devs should've hired me

[knotty wolf]

@fickle laurel What's next? We need to know

[twin ridge]

I dont think you want to read the next guess on current situation

[ocean belfry]

i still can’t believe the armory designer really said “if you don’t like it go play another game” and we did and tanked their steam reviews to mixed 😭😭

like cmon bro you did so much damage with this

[cosmic sundial]

Nostradamus?

[cedar grove]

can u link this