Season Zero: Warm-Up, Challenge Rooms, DI, Balance, Bugfixes

[stray cradle]

And make it better for you

[dull echo]

Paqt? I can sense that hostile aura from anywhere? 😊

[eager mesa]

I just want there to be no dupes until you have every 1 star item 🤷‍♂️

idk if that's a hot take or not

[dull echo]

Would already be a big improvement

[stray cradle]

It's fine I'm being baited every time into being aggro with them or something so I get banned like the ppl that crosses the red lines do

[woven mural]

U can literally just check if the account was made on the same date he joined and 99% chance it's paqt

[late parrot]

What do you guys think about seasonal armory resets? Ill be honest, if I grind to unlock everything and they remove it on the next season I definitly wont be playing

[dull echo]

I dislike that part as well

[stray cradle]

I think that even though I would like the idea of a fresh start. It might be too harsh for some, some items, for example greens should not be reset

[dull echo]

Again feels as if its just artificially promoting grinding

[woven mural]

Good and bad.

Bad cus grinding again will feel like shit
Good cus puts you on an even playing field again.

[eager mesa]

I would be cool with shelving half the items and adding the same amount of new items. That might be interesting.

[late parrot]

if everyone has everything, everyone is on an even playing field

[stray cradle]

I do resonate with the idea of just logging in one day and everything is new and I have to work for it again, I like resets

[late parrot]

you dont need resets to achieve that

[dull echo]

Though for a "Competitive marketed game" youd think everyone should be on the same line by default?

[woven mural]

But not everyone played last season, that's what i mean. And rank resets would make it feel pretty bad

[misty field]

Def need to do this, not sure about half, but removing a few and adding new things has got to be a part of a new season.

[dull echo]

If the game was marketed purely as a sandbox for fun game id be more fine with the changes

[woven mural]

Haha you wish

[stray cradle]

I think atleast some sort of soft reset should be done, at minimum, everything goes back to 1 start

[late parrot]

why?

[stray cradle]

And new players unlocking everything faster as a premise , so they can start getting dupes

[stray cradle]

Because that is why the system exists

To give you a reason to come back to play

Even if you don't like ranked

[late parrot]

The system is to have something grind and play for, people who have unlocked everything will most likely stick around anyway

I have everything in League you can purchase with blue essence and yet I still play without complaining that they should reset rune progressions or lock champions again

I dont quite get the reasoning

[stray cradle]

Put yourself in the body of a casual player that don't enjoy ranked, but they somewhat enjoy unlocking styles and items and feel a bit powerful even if it's just an illusion.

They get every item and then they leave, they can't unlock anything else and ranked is too sweaty for them.

How do you make that guy come back and play

[woven mural]

It's cus you like the game. Kinda what I've been saying makes the system feel weird.

[late parrot]

Maybe add mods that are more suited to that way of play

[stray cradle]

I like to think on casuals in this matter, not everyone enjoys grinding for ranked

[late parrot]

modes*

[stray cradle]

But then, the rest of the queues die because the game is not super big to sustain the modes

First version failed even though we got some 4fun modes

[forest abyss]

as a new player i say this armory system sucks i repeat it sucks!

[late parrot]

Ill be honest with you, I liked the first version more then what is currently out

[stray cradle]

But we do agree somehow it needed changed to increase the retention, no?

[late parrot]

I played for a month on release and came back for 1.0 expecting some fun changes and wanted to hop back in

[stray cradle]

That's nice to hear, why you left

[late parrot]

Friends stopped playing it and solo q wasnt as fun

[stray cradle]

Why your friends stopped playing then

That is the reason why we reached this point

[late parrot]

League is pretty much the only game I keep playing, I rotate through games and play what peaks my interest

[stray cradle]

Devs need to your friends to not leave

[late parrot]

up until now, I saw nothing from supervive that made me want to hop back in

[stray cradle]

Yeah I also left supervive on January and went back to league grind, rerolled mid and this months I've been having a midlane journey and I had a good time learning mid and climbing two accs to master as a midlane main

[late parrot]

I didnt follow it closely to be fair, but I remembered the launch month fondly

[misty field]

are you saying the 1.0 update did make you want to hop on?

[stray cradle]

But, not every player is happy with just grinding rank or improving

[stray cradle]

It made me want to hop on too, and others as well

[late parrot]

Yea, to be fair I thought that you can equip items pre match and try out different loadouts

[stray cradle]

You can discount me as I enjoy the system as a whole but I spent one week on gaming crisis because I wanted to take a break on league and play supervive

[misty field]

ok gotcha

[late parrot]

They had that arpg item screen to explain the new item system and it gave me that vibe

[stray cradle]

They want to steak the feeling of arpg imo that's why it also has seasons

It blends perfectly with current gaming meta

Seasona, retention and shiny items

[misty field]

honestly at this point, Im dissmissing basically all the critism of 1.0 because it legit feels like everyone is arguing in bad faith. They all just want to be "right" about the armory being bad, rather than actually interested in SV being a good game that can survive.

[stray cradle]

Yeah , I feel that too

And it's why I keep arguing trying to be productive because I do like the system, but I would wish they liked it too

So I want middle points between the two worlds

[misty field]

like every time I come here, it just puts me in a bad mood. Then I hop on the game and have a blast.

[stray cradle]

I'm sorry but "remove the system" is not a constructive feedback

There are some valid criticism of course I don't deny it and I won't ever invalidate those

[misty field]

even if it was, they wont do that. they are all in on the armory. Can def tweek it, but they arent removing it.

[stray cradle]

If a player like carbonara is unhappy after playing, hear his opinion if it's respectful

[stray cradle]

Yeah that is why is even worse for them, they are missing the chance of improving the game theoretically they love

When I wanted soloq in the game I did play slow to try to make good feedback for deva and maybe improving the game in that regard

And they did! Now solow experience is way better than before

I'm having fun solo

That is what constructive feedback leads to

Maybe I didn't get my dream soloq only queue

But I understand why it exists, and why it can't happen and I saw devs trying to address my pain points with solow and make it a better experience for me

[late parrot]

I want the game to succeed, Im still sad battlerite died and both games have some similarities gameplay wise, I just really dislike the thought of having to regrind next season. Also I kinda dislike the map being emptier then before, dont understand the change yet

[shell mason]

Just include a pity system that lets you get an item of choice. Either by trading in a couple of items you dont need or something else. Idk how it is for others but what I dislike is mostly the prospect of not being able to guarantee I can run a build. Which is even worse for competitive. But it generally sucks for any player who cares about winning (which is most). There are many strong items/relics in this game. No one wants to lose to those and get the feeling someone diffed them because of RNG. Its just a bad feeling.

[stray cradle]

I live that, I'm afraid most haters will read pity and call it gacha sloo again

Maybe a hidden pity

[shell mason]

I mean armory is there for a reason. To improve player retention. But you can try to tune it so it satisfies more people

[stray cradle]

Give you armor fragment eith each capsules

[shell mason]

If I didnt have much time to play I'd hate being disadvantaged because of it. Since I do I can deal with the grind but still hate full RNG. To be fair there is a weekly and daily shop which is left out of the disgussion a lot. You may find an item you like in there eventually. I just dont like not knowing if or when.

If I'm competing against the top players because of my MMR, should I have an even biger advantage because they pull the right items? Its just not nice for competitive integrity.

[late parrot]

If they really get the large influx of players they are hoping for you could technically factor in armory score for matchmaking

[shell mason]

You cant really calculate that

Because you may not have the items to run the build you need for your main hunter

[stray cradle]

For example guys, every capsule dropping an item fragment and then you can craft items you want with those fragments

[shell mason]

something like that

[stray cradle]

would that improve the system a bit for you?

[shell mason]

or dissolve items you dont want/need

[stray cradle]

disenchant for fragments, that sounds nice

it defeats the % of completion thingie but could be for a good reason

[late parrot]

after first unlock being able to upgrade with prisma would make sense to me

[shell mason]

yes because it gives you a guarantee that you can get an item you want. Atm its full rng. So no matter how much you grind you might not get what you need.

I simply wont play non meta builds if I'm trying to compete in top MMR lobbies

[stray cradle]

I think it would be a nice middle - point

if the fragments are reasonable

like every 10 capsules a guaranteed purple

with the fragments, and 20 capsules for a leggo

[pine meadow]

please ping me if we have a talk today, would be much appreciated 🙏

[dark kernel]

Hahah, appreciate you.

[tidal light]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1357853570296447067/1362927958741880983/itsjess.gif

[dark kernel]

Lol

That gif already feels like forever ago.

Happy Friday. 🙂

[forest abyss]

Hi jess!!!!!!

Could we get an arena hotfix, all of us arena mains are suffering so much 😭

[dark kernel]

At 12:54...

[eager mesa]

I'd think the dunker squad + shiv deserve a hotfix too lol

The new abyss fghting is SUPER fun

except when jin, wukong, or brall are involved

[dark kernel]

Noted it in the feature breakdown, but we were already looking at Arena. Have changes coming soon.

[nocturne pelican]

Hello safelocked !!

[eager mesa]

hiya Jess. How are y'all at TC feeling about 1.0 so far?

and also don't forget to take care of yourself. This has gotta be a SUPER stressful time

[versed kernel]

Hi Jess!

[dark kernel]

Yeah, liking the abyss fighting too. We were testing some changes given the notes you mentioned.

[wind forge]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY JESS (and supervive)

[dark kernel]

Hahah, thank you! Really.

[wind forge]

Would love have you there, saw your post and i am thinking of participating in talk today so I should be able ping yah

[nocturne pelican]

Without asking for the actual content of it, how big and when can we expect next patch to be ? Will probably be a make or break to a lot of us

[dark kernel]

Also wanted to give a heads-up here that I'm working on a dev blog to expand what these threads do today.

It'll be short, but read some of the ideas and agree that it'd be cool to publish some of this content in an easier to find place. Looking at Steam, maybe our socials.

Will let our partners localize some of that content too.

[wind forge]

Deeply appreciate what you have done with these threads for MONTHS now

Reguardless of what happens next wtih them

[dark kernel]

It's a whirlwind of feelings.

[stray cradle]

hello there is a talk

[tidal light]

How's the perception outside of the discord? feels a bit like a closed loop in the discord sometimes lol

[dark kernel]

Tired. But also, grateful for the launch. Stability looks good. Performance is looking better. Crash rate is low.

[wind forge]

I've brought some friends back after not playing disc for a while and they have enjoyed it a lto more

[pine meadow]

the goat, thx !

[stray cradle]

hello!

[wind forge]

Could be the hype I've built around it in conversation, but they all have seemed genuinely invested in playing it more even on there own

[stray cradle]

in my case, same, my friends had more fun with 1.0 than before

[misty field]

@dark kernel the extreme (imo) bad faith negativity has bummed me out with hanging out in the discord but I wanted to say im honestly loving everything about 1.0. Obviously everything can be improved, but shout out to you and the rest of the team for all your work.

[charred citrus]

Uhhh placeholders on release

[wind forge]

Yee I pretty much only check this thread and a few discussions here and there. As any place on the internet once big enough the haters/toxicity you just gotta streamline out

[frosty loom]

I think the Armory system at the moment does not let you target a specific item or build enough. I think the daily shop and weekly shop are supposed to feel like discounts (I think) but in reality they feel like a completely out of reach price.

[misty field]

Would rather spend time in game where im always having a blast.

[ruby slate]

Agreed. Balancing Prisma gain/loss or tweaking the item prices hopefully comes next patch.

[wind forge]

You have to put in a surplus amount of time it seems to upgrade stuff within the armory, you streamed like 26 hours straight or something INSANE and even your progress on the armory was eye opening to just how much of a grind it is

That was some of the complaints my friend had today as well, just not being able to mess with all the toys that are new and shiny

[stray cradle]

I agree some sort of item targeting would be benefitial, while keeping the RNG nature and choice

[wind forge]

or I had to buy it for them

[pine meadow]

Hey @dark kernel !

Glad we can have you here, i hope you guys are not burn out with all the work.

I'm enjoying a lot the 1.0 so far, it's a huge W. Thanks a lot for the Shrike buff i requested, it's so much more fun !

Now, there's a lot of good, but also some "bad" things. I suggested some ideas for improvement about the overall aspect of the armory and the prisma here https://discord.com/channels/852642429105995786/1398282778843549726

if you need any further explanation i will gladly help

[dark kernel]

Perception varies a lot, but I would say there's both a lot of enjoyment and areas for improvement that we're seeing. One thing I appreciate this time around is that there's more people who see the potential and the areas to focus on seem clearer.

[nocturne pelican]

I could bear with the RNG if we dropped 3x prisma or 3 items per crate

[stray cradle]

so you want a faster acquisition of prisma / crates being 3 times cheaper right? is more or less the same

[tidal light]

Glad to hear it! Really been loving playing 1.0 when I got to last night, other then the stuff I had mentioned in the creator chat if you saw that, lol

But I see an extremely bright future based on what I played!

Please let me buy boots

[nocturne pelican]

My favourite would be having 3 items in one crate instead of 1, but yeah it ends up the same

[latent pollen]

any comments on mana? I've heard many reports of people myself included running oom constantly

[nocturne pelican]

Just speed up progression

[frosty loom]

To give a bit of context it was around 35 hours: I had almost every relic/grip unlocked. Missing a few perks. Had maybe 4 two star items. I think the weekly chest would have a lot, but i do wonder if thats the speed of the system that works well. It feels maybe a bit slow(?)

[stray cradle]

also considering you win a lot of times, for a normal player could be like 60h or something

[wind forge]

I pretty much only place protectors (zeph/elluna specifically) alongside beebo and def feel mana on them. I am loving mana being a factor.

i feel it is because fights last longer due to health going up alongside items not giving raw damage anymore (which I think is a good thing) and now some hunter's have to deal with mana bar.

[frosty loom]

Not winning as much as normal, but yea probably more than average player

[tidal light]

How many kicks do you have?

[wind forge]

Yeah and like @stray cradle said, that is with you winning at a higher rate then average player alongside having better pathing with collecting prisma along the way.

[frosty loom]

All of them, I got them all pretty quick

[dark kernel]

Appreciate it. Means a lot.

[tidal light]

Lucky >:(

[wind forge]

These the kicks i got atm

and this is after like idk 20ish hours ig?

[tidal light]

I had a very unlucky 2-3 hours lol

[misty field]

damn howd you get so many shoes

[wind forge]

LOL

[stray cradle]

irucin has whole nike shop hehe

[misty field]

I want some shoes

[wind forge]

This is my overall % on armory collection. Mind you, I ahve 6k prisma in the bank because I really want to buy specific relics. I've spent majority of my time saving to buy upgrades/specific items

[dark kernel]

Yeah - agency and catch-up mechanics are the two areas we're discussing right now.

One sec, need to run a meeting. Be back in 30.

[versed kernel]

spending like 8k prisma on a legendary when i can just open chests and gamble for something else feels bad

[nocturne pelican]

FOMO hits too hard as well

Because of RNG you're just playing to get the items you need fast

Hope agency is not just a small tweak

[versed kernel]

this is mine

https://i.imgur.com/DJzpwE7.png

and i have opened 66 capsules

idk

[nocturne pelican]

Depends on your luck ig

[versed kernel]

ye

[nocturne pelican]

I don't know if people mentionned it yet, but MMR seems to be not strict at all

[stray cradle]

any capsule you open is progress as you progress on dupes too, but not progress that you want specifically

thats the part that lacks the system imo, so everyone enjoys it a bit more

[wind forge]

How many hours have you played?

[nocturne pelican]

I'm queuing into streamers that began the game yesterday and it is not cool

[stray cradle]

it also kinda means they are probably doing well

I played vs Broxah twice today, and he was decent on open beta so it makes sense

[versed kernel]

in 1.0? probably like 20

[wind forge]

okay nice

[versed kernel]

maybe less

[wind forge]

i have roughly same

but i am not opening capsules as much

[stray cradle]

also I was duoq unranked with a newcomer

I just kinda got him out of bot games instantly sad for him haha

[versed kernel]

https://i.imgur.com/5B8phqM.png

i guess this is how much i should have?

idk

[versed kernel]

ah nvm

[charred citrus]

When safelocked comes back, can anyone ask her to tell when are they planning on introducing changes / react to the players negative issues with the new system?
I hope it won't be 2 weeks or worse, 2 months

[tidal light]

I think mine was, like, 400

I did not have good matches

[misty field]

Saw people on reddit complaining they were always in bot lobbies, then saw someone say as soon as they got out of bot lobbys the game wasnt fun cuz they were getting steamrolled. TC just cant win lol.

[charred citrus]

I'm so low :(

[versed kernel]

ah i thought it was total prisma

[wind forge]

Godbless @mossy hemlock for his silly shenanigans

[stray cradle]

I can answer that, you should expect small patches every week if they are urgent and bigger ones every two weeks, and hotfixes for urgent things like boot dupes

[wind forge]

All I do is help that rat bastard burn the world, he is the main culprit

[charred citrus]

Lemur was cosplaying Anic today with the grapple octopus and going full rocket launch mode

[stray cradle]

so, next week we will get a small patch, for sure

addressing feedback

[charred citrus]

Okay, I hope people will last long enough

[devout topaz]

Also godbless anic for doing so much for the wiki
I was way too busy the past 2 weeks to contribute much so honestly he kinda soloed a lot of the changes

[stray cradle]

im actually doing a review of steam reviews and new players seem to be having a good time , lot of them reviwed with low amount of hours and they kept playing for long

they have better data than me which is only steam reviews ofc

[wind forge]

Honestly he is the goat. He just puts his head down and is a incredibly hard worker.

[tidal light]

Anic my hero

[nocturne pelican]

Ok to sum up my feedback on matchmaking and ranked :

• Bots are still there and it feels as bad as before to meet them
• We kept MMR but can still queue into newcomers while being like 2000RP above them
• Matchmaking is fast, could be more precise and slower
• People that get duo restricted insta stuck because it's too hard to play into full teams
• Why is Prisma more valued at the end of my competitive ranked game than Ranked Points ? I have to hover the rank logo to see my gains/losses, while the prismas are all over my face. Lacks clarity and feels inappropriate for this gamemode.
• Ranked rewards ? I see the glider we get for each rank crossed but can we PLEASE have end of season rewards to motivate a grind I'M BEGGING

[wind forge]

Our Hero 🙏

[charred citrus]

Too bad Mika's rant-review got en-masse upvoted by the Asia community she's been posting on after the ban

[stray cradle]

he has less than 30 upvotes, I dont really think that matters

every normal person will see mika review and realize its just a venting against the developers not the game itself

[charred citrus]

Last time I checked it was 395 upvotes

[charred citrus]

The problem is that with Mika you need time to actually realize that...

[stray cradle]

still that review just loses sense when she starts insulting and accusing of nepotism and other red lines

she was not smart enough

if she wanted to really hurt with a bad review, she could evade personal matters

its obvious what that review is

[charred citrus]

It's 426.
36 is the amount of games she has on steam.

And only one review, only for this game, over all years, which is already a red flag for people who can read stuff

But most people will just scroll down on the steam page and read first reviews

[tidal light]

Let's not bring that up in here

[stray cradle]

yeah we should just forget about it, it is what it is

is one of the reasons why I said steam is a bad platform

I created a big feedback post about it on feedback during alpha, but the outcome of the devs (totally valid) is that the downsides (review bombing and personal dsputes) are outshined by the positives steam gives

and I kinda agree about it

but still, seeing the review side used as a reviewbomb tool is sad to see

[nocturne pelican]

Actually, Mika is a very bad example cuz we all knew his opinion on the game wayyy before this, but I think it's time to take negative/doomer feedback seriously (either Steam or discord or whatever) because it comes from somewhere, or else they'll be no next time for the game

Like those guys all had a "This is too much for me I'm going doomer mode"

[thick laurel]

So meta stays with us?😭

[stray cradle]

im doing stats on how many reviews can be considered valid vs doomed, does not look very good for the doomers. Still a lot of valid negative reviews but if you discard the obviously invalid ones, you get more positives, but again, a big % of negatives

[nocturne pelican]

I want TCG to see what is the "doomyfying" feature for most of them and fix it

[dark kernel]

Hiya, back.

[wind forge]

Welcome back!

[devout topaz]

Hi Jess

[dark kernel]

Thanks!

[dark kernel]

Scrolling back up...

[stray cradle]

we didnt talk about a lot, maybe limbo message

[stray cradle]

also manaa

[devout topaz]

It seems myth's LMB is feeling really bad to people right now
It seems maybe the cooldown of her lmb got increased? Can you clarify what happened and maybe call out ideas the team has to fix it? It's a shame to see a character become so un-fun like this

[silk thicket]

The only thing I noticed that was like.. Specifically unfun, is some characters just have nothing they can do, if someone is chasing them with a car, and someone on the back of it

The cars are just so so so so much faster than you

They're faster than train even

[devout topaz]

Get in loser we're going spiking

[tidal light]

the SkySharks are so fun

Nyewm

[dark kernel]

Can't see what's below, but transferring over some of the specific themes into our team thread.

[devout topaz]

Why do you capitalise it like it's a brand lol

[tidal light]

I imagine its like Ski-Doo

[wind forge]

@pine meadow starting to talk i think soon!

[stray cradle]

I think they are very enjoyable thanks to the more abyss map

[tidal light]

"This W Supervive was brought to you by SkyShark brand sky bikes"

[nocturne pelican]

Also jess, since you're producer, can you tell us how much was 1.0 aimed towards casuals ?
I think some hunters like joule and Hudson were intentionally nerfed to remove frustration from newbies, and the overall feeling has been that the game is going on "party game" mode a lot , but still misses cause too competitive and complex for casuals, so I'm wondering what the aim was.

[dark kernel]

Thanks! And thanks for your great Shrike idea. I've read your post - planning on including it in the summary for the team.

[mossy hemlock]

heyo party people

BUNNY MONEY BUNNY MONEY

[charred citrus]

Also, please for the love of satan, buff Void's mobility somehow. Everyone is now dashing with the rocket boots and poor Void can't rotate his head fast enough, nevermind hitting spells 😢

[thick laurel]

@dark kernel can we talk a bit about polishing? I saw a lot of problems with the game localisation to a different European languages. For example on Russian (my main language) there's a lot of code in the text everywhere and the translation itself is just all around wrong and feels like AI, really making the game feels soulless not in english. Is the team aware about it?

And also a lot of bugs in the client, I don't have screenshots rn but can send it later

[stray cradle]

I would like to ask about early retention, if it can be said if the armory so far is meeting its objetives (retention, engagement etc)

[nocturne pelican]

Same for french, Zeph is completely named Flow here for some reason ?? And shop is heavily mistranslated

[silk thicket]

no

[thick laurel]

Yep, for russian we had the same for all the beta period, now it's just english text for every name lol

[silk thicket]

Void is really good rn

do not buff

ty

[dark kernel]

Haha, noted. And yeah, I read your creator post too.

[charred citrus]

How? I've tried him and I wanted to rip my veins open

[wind forge]

Lvl 4 rmb, bloodhunting boots

[charred citrus]

Without movespeed swords he slugs behind everyone, both his team and enemies

[wind forge]

It felt good for me

I dabble in void tho

[tidal light]

I hope y'all know that, and everything I put in there, was all done in love, lol

[charred citrus]

You have to first RANDOMLY unlock them... :)

[wind forge]

True

[mossy hemlock]

we wouldn't be talking about supervive otherwise

[dark kernel]

Yeah, let me follow up on this. I saw someone call this out yesterday, but I wasn't keeping an eye out in my games yesterday (was chugging potions.) Will double-check.

[thick laurel]

Btw me personally not a fan of the prisma and lootboxes, but I guess there will be only tweaks to that system and no complete removal

[eager mesa]

Hey so I'm not sure if you saw my message in the thread yet Jess, but I was wondering if you guys would ever consider adding duplicate protection until people get each item at 1 star. I think that would be a decent middle ground to get people the items they need in a timely manner while still keeping some of the "slow roll out" effects the current implementation has for new players learning the items.

[pine meadow]

thx !

[dark kernel]

Weekly chest is intended to slingshot some, yeah. But also, wow. Truly Rumel.

[tidal light]

Oh, I did get to visit my island last night, still there

[charred citrus]

Also please skip animation button for the lootboxes xd

[wind forge]

5here is, spacebar

[mossy hemlock]

spacebar does it

[dark kernel]

Yeah, this is cool to read. I checked in on mana anyways, but it's helpful to hear the other side. And yeah, TTK adjustments were one of my favorite changes alongside Armory.

[charred citrus]

Oh okay!

[mossy hemlock]

I think something that'd be cool is if you could buy from any teammate's Armory

My group tends to buy items for eachother on a rotation to resolve this

[thick laurel]

Oh, also Tom Kick's promotion feels so wrong. People open up the game and there's just his face without any info or text whatsoever loool. Definitely not a great idea

[wind forge]

Said this in khyzaro thread already bro, get with the times 🥱

[mossy hemlock]

RAAAHHHHHHH SHUT UP

[eager mesa]

I do love that normal fights last longer in general. I feel like it's just the right balance to have outplay potential, but not quite like I'm slapping a wet noodle at people

[stray cradle]

yeah like, seeing it buyable with something that indicates its from a team mate

[wind forge]

[dark kernel]

Do you have any screenshots of your match-ups, by chance? All good if not.

[mossy hemlock]

[pine meadow]

also guys, plz help me i'm still hooking the air

[dark kernel]

For sure, Anic is a hero. Love you Anic.

[mossy hemlock]

[nocturne pelican]

Sadly I cannot check enemy rank if they aren't top 100 on stats site, but the dood was silver 4 and fresh to the game while I was plat 4 this morning and 800 hours in since steam next fest

[wind forge]

We need to get him that Korean Felix plushie as a gift

[mossy hemlock]

Also you guys made the tooltips SO PRETTY

AND I HAVE TO MATCH IT

[mossy hemlock]

nahnahnah

I'll fly to Korea

and steal it from nexon's offices

but, I appreciate all the love love this community

[wind forge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/931297427581984798/1397435070360326154/SVdiesofcringe21.gif

[paper merlin]

Was there a reason as to why armory wasn't tested in Open Beta? Seems just like a big change and a hail mary to release something like armory without the larger audience seeing it beforehand (aside from internal playtesting)

[dark kernel]

Matchmaking is fast, could be more precise and slower
Just so I understand - do you mean you're seeing people slingshotting in rank still?

[nocturne pelican]

Queue times are too fast imo, saw people queuing as masters and get bronze mates

[paper merlin]

it hasn't been a week, it's impossible to calibrate that fast day 1 or 2

[eager mesa]

New player bronzes? Or low rank high mmr bronzes from ob?

Because a lot of us are still low ranked but put into high mmr lobbies where we belong

[languid shadow]

Will the next patch be 2 weeks after 1.0 release?

[dark kernel]

One of our Myth mains internally was also mentioning that, but he's been having a hard time pinpointing what feels off. I'll forward over LMB CD - if there's any clips or other guesses, I'll take them.

[misty field]

@dark kernel has the team thought about make some kind of post going into why you made the changes you do with the armory and what sort of problems you were trying to solve. Some people will never be happy but I feel like this could help alot with public sentiment. Ive seen so much pure speculation and misrepresentation around.

[nocturne pelican]

Another one (they were duoQing in this one, SHIN and DetBareK)

[devout topaz]

You have myth mains internally still? 👀 who? Haha

I can try to find out myself what's wrong with it if that helps, and I can DM you what I come up with

[silk thicket]

I do shiftmax

Random soloq game, but like void is super fun rn

Burning palm + greenwood tho i don't think the second is the best
n then for reliqs I do grapple (INSANELY INSANELY GOOD ON VOID) and stasis

[dark kernel]

Gotcha. Yeah, the limited health/fuel/Hunter interactions are meant to combat some of this, but they're definitely fast. We've talked about a couple of ideas here, but we're open.

[silk thicket]

i mean they go almost full map before out of fuel

[eager mesa]

I'd like less health on the cars tbh

Takes forever to break them without explosive damage (if that even does more to them I'm unsure)

[dark kernel]

There was a moment where folks were calling it a ski-doo in playtest for sure, lol.

[thick laurel]

Cars feels boosted

[dark kernel]

Nice. One of the benefits of stretching out the map some, for sure.

[eager mesa]

Or even give them lots of health but take the motorstorm route for the boost and have it break the car if you boost too long

[tidal light]

lmao

[lethal mountain]

Are you aware of some hunters that didn't benefit at all from 1.0 ? Myth/Joule ?

[vital wren]

Holy shit a Motorstorm enjoyer????

Pacific Rift still holds up graphically today

[eager mesa]

HELL YEAH

[tidal light]

I have heard that Joule benifits extremely from 1.0

[silk thicket]

I could see this functioning too

just, actually being able to kill them

Void is decent at it, but it still takes a while

[charred citrus]

Joule isn't benefiting from +25% dash speed boots? :P

[lethal mountain]

Clearly not, the LMB bug + TTK higher she is close to useless if you're not stomping early

[lethal mountain]

Saying that when whole roster is benefiting this is a bit of stretch if i may

[eager mesa]

They help but she does like ZERO damage this patch

[charred citrus]

That's a point

[silk thicket]

Hey!

Void doesn't benifit from that

hmph.

I do think that item is gigabroken though

[lethal mountain]

Won't talk of shiv = )

[silk thicket]

It feels very disproprotionate if they have it or not

[tidal light]

Then I have seen lies

[silk thicket]

They have it: oh they're in my face from halfway across the screen

they dont: (as normal)

[dark kernel]

Mm, we don't really use 'casuals' as a term. Mostly because it's imprecise and implies both a lack of experience and a lack of commitment to the game.

I don't think we nerfed Hudson and Joule for the casuals though. Frustration for both of those characters existed across all levels of experience and engagement early on.

[charred citrus]

I wonder if Myth LMB can benefit the +40% damage every 4 shots?

[dark kernel]

Bunny. Money.

[devout topaz]

https://tenor.com/lYO9NRvHCZ6.gif

[nocturne pelican]

Okay but then how do you call the newcomer population that is not willing to grind ladder and enter tournaments ? And then with the right naming, was 1.0 focused on them ?

[versed kernel]

this shiv character is not okay 😦

literally every team has a shiv now

[dark kernel]

Lol - have noted both the - please buff Void and please don't buff Void comments. I'll leave those there and see if anyone else wants to mention Void.

[tidal light]

More serious question now, are bots getting removed? I have not seen anyone happy they are fighting bots, at all, like maybe the first game, but after that, I have seen a lot of people feeling fairly disrespected by the amount of bots in matches now.

[nocturne pelican]

This was included in my matchmaking feedback but would LOVE to see an actual answer

[languid shadow]

Would be awesome if custom games had a option to disable these, not fitting for competitive play in my personal opinion and im sure many others share the same views.

[dark kernel]

Feel free to send me a list of anything that looks off. I was talking to Gugu about it - will send both lists to the localization crew to fix.

[languid shadow]

Shiv and Eva are the middle of the pack siblings, one grew up to become a billionaire (shiv) the other is now homeless (eva)

[versed kernel]

pretty much

[languid shadow]

hope they can both return to middle of the pack with future balance changes

[thick laurel]

I honestly don't think that I even need to send it. Like it's almost all wrong and noticeable from the get go. I mean I can try to find every mistake, but it definitely would feel like a chore tbh

[dark kernel]

Noted this too - thanks.

[violet torrent]

@dark kernel any news about SA Server? it seems the marketing campaign had no latin american players in it 😦

there is a thread about it #1398383651489710160

[fickle fox]

i only saw spanish streamers lol

[native mason]

Love u safelocked goodnight from EU

[dark kernel]

Oh, for sure. Didn't take it any other way.

[thick laurel]

Maybe it's possible to get people from the community help with a localisations? Since it was never in a good place with a people who are doing it now

[violet torrent]

Spanish as in from Spain ye, but there was no latin america ones

[fickle fox]

they spoke spanish no idea

[dark kernel]

There's a bunch of ideas in this space that we're reviewing. It trades off some on agency if you wanted a specific 2-star, but philosophically I think there's something here.

[devout topaz]

@dark kernel I tried out myth's LMB
Maybe if you want I can hop into a vc real quick and show you the issues

[lethal mountain]

Are they the same as Joule ?

[devout topaz]

I think I know both whats wrong and I can explain why it feels so bad, even though it may have been a real design decision

also I've found 2 other issues she has

[dark kernel]

Yeah, this is an example of an idea that we've previously considered and want to scope. There might be other ones that take priority in the same space, but something in here is cool.

[dark kernel]

Lol, heard. Noting for the marketing crew.

[stray cradle]

I dont think you should target 2-3 stars, I love the idea of not embracing only the super tryhard meta build on hunters

[devout topaz]

found another issue too

[stray cradle]

but unlocking the items on 1st stars yeah, that would be better with a bit of agency

[devout topaz]

wow this character picked up a lot of issues the last few months it seems 😅

[nocturne pelican]

Also his head is hiding my third mate rank / level and I hate knowing there is info behind that I can't see

[eager mesa]

Actually specifically regarding the featured window on ther main menu: It blocks the name and mute button of the rightmost party member in trios

[mossy hemlock]

they made the image smaller which helped but yeah

[nocturne pelican]

(I still don't see shit lmao)

[thick laurel]

Not a big fan of the new UI in general, feels really unpolished and I dont know why it was added for the 1.0

[charred citrus]

Cheeky Elluna Cash

[dark kernel]

Oh no. Lol. Sent to QA/engineering. Appreciate the clear clip.

[devout topaz]

miss jess

there are issues with the videogame

[eager mesa]

I generally am liking the visuals on the new UI as I get used to it. But learning where to find everything I wanted to find was a... process. It feels less intuitive than the previous iteration. Familiarity bias withstanding ofc

[wispy mortar]

My 2 main takeaways:

1. Love the items, hate the grind, wish everyone was on the same levels and the gear evolving through the season instead.
2. Ranked actually feels competitive for the first time in ages and i fear for restrictions ruining it

[thick laurel]

Big agree

[dark kernel]

Np. I think we found your name/tag, but can you confirm over DM? I'll send this note over too.

[charred citrus]

This is one of things that'll make the random system a more less sufferable. Right now I'm asking my teammates, 30% of them completely ignore me, then I buy and drop on the ground only to see them run away from them ;-;

[tidal light]

Hey, you aren't supposed to be there

[thick laurel]

It so sad that this 2 points happened at the same time tho

[wind forge]

The grinds def a GRIND. I think tweaking is def the way forward

[devout topaz]

i'm also not meant to be tposing lol

[thick laurel]

Not tweaking, removal

[charred citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/tibor-tibor-del-grosso-tibor-crash-tibor-fall-tibor-del-grosso-crash-gif-15265950273698139980

[wispy mortar]

i just dont want to see people or be the one fighting on different gear levels, itd be so much more fun to have an evolving meta through gear levels instead to have one consistent meta instead of different playtimes playing in different metas.

this system imo is just inherently flawed

[tidal light]

lmao

[wind forge]

I think there being some sort of grind as a retention point wouldnt be the end of world. Where it's at now is just intense imo

[opaque yarrow]

Very, very flawed.

[wind forge]

Khyzaro had a pretty fire thread on some armory suggestions

[thick laurel]

Talks about grind to get stronger stat wise gonna prevent a lot of people to even try it

[wispy mortar]

ive seen it i still personally feel like if gear would evolve over time instead itd literally just feel better.

[errant kraken]

yea this pretty much nails it

[errant kraken]

i really fear for once we hit masters and we cant 3 stack anymore

[devout topaz]

i figured out how to get into a vault without opening it too

[errant kraken]

our desire to play will be very limited i think

[charred citrus]

Finally a good use for Myth's skill

[wind forge]

"Evolve over time", what does that look like if you dont mind explaining/elaborating

[charred citrus]

I mean, if we can use Racoon to steal from vaults, why myth can't enter them?

[errant kraken]

and my guess is with the addtion of ranked locked behind levels and tigther mmr and trios it makes 3stacking less of an issue than it was in OB

and split q's

[wispy mortar]

one more thing that bothers me about it is that its baked into gameplay enough for it to become an issue if they accelarate the grind.
I think people dont understand when they start asking for being able to get the items faster, that thatd also mean that people would get to a point faster where they can just ignore the grind mechanic in games completely, which naturally give them more time to just get stronger for the actual game instead.

[devout topaz]

the new glider changes

make myth so broken LOL

[wispy mortar]

this is just a broad example so dont pinpoint me on the timings, but maybe make everyone play on level 1 gear for a month, then level 2 for a month etc

[plain lantern]

can we please get prisma in arena sooner rather than later I love the effort put into the game and br but I miss being able to play arena without getting put behind for not prisma maxing

[dark kernel]

We held small focus group playtests across regions pre-launch, with different experience levels of players in different tests. It's a big change nonetheless, but it was helpful for us to be more targeted. Also was helpful to make this a bigger moment.

[wind forge]

Ah so a physical time passing. That'd be interesting, idk how id feel about it

[nocturne pelican]

Sent DM

[charred citrus]

I abso-fucking-lutely love the gliding/spiking changes. It's so well done, keeping the spiking beauty in game and allowing people not to get brutally killed because they managed to take 0.5 damage from a frog's sneeze across the map.
Thank you for that change.

[pine meadow]

https://x.com/playSUPERVIVE/status/1948886554388414884
only this ? Shiv need a hotfix nerf asap, it's not even close

this hunter is beyond broken this patch

SUPERVIVE (@playSUPERVIVE)

as we go into the weekend, two small server-side hotfixes for ya:
* we've reduced Brall's LMB damage by 15%
* we've temporarily disabled the relic "Soul Bonds" due to some server issues

X · Jul 25, 2025, 11:22 PM

[wispy mortar]

Sorry for hyjacking the thread a bit safelocked, just wanted to drop my 2 cents on the gamestate until i have enough playtime for a more detailed opinion on small things. Thanks for still doing this, youre the absolute goat

[wind forge]

Naw I love your input and it is good discussion! Don't apologize soldier

[eager mesa]

Absolutely this. Abyss combat against any hunter other than Brall, Jin, Wukong is SUPER fun

[dark kernel]

Sent this report too. Thanks.

[versed kernel]

literally revert the buffs and shes probably fine

[dark kernel]

And yeah, this is also a factor. But will double-check in case.

[wispy mortar]

shes a big system winner too, it was just a weird timing for her to get buffed lmao

[errant kraken]

mostly i think the range grips need to go

the degree to which LMB range warps the game cant be overstated

all ur muscle memory is cooked because someone has extra range

and LMB heroes are for sure the biggest winners in this patch

[eager mesa]

A meta where Shiv, Jin, or Brall is strong is an unfun meta. Maybe that's just me tho

[dark kernel]

Yep! Continuing with 2-week patches.

[tidal light]

TBH, LMB range grips may be the best, but man they seem so BOOORING

[lethal mountain]

No bugfix/hotfix patch?

This wednesday?

[wispy mortar]

i really like the meta personally, but i also play bishop and shes really good at dealing with anything but shiv lmao

[tidal light]

I mean, they just posted a hotfix

Like

10 minutes ago?

[olive badger]

Yeah but they are missing some champs...

[wispy mortar]

how do you feel about those that buff attackspeed on lmbs?

[paper merlin]

I see, thanks for giving us a quick insight on the matter

[dark kernel]

Mentioned this briefly at the beginning, but starting up a dev blog format for in between patches. It won't just be focused on q&a, but hope is to be an additional resource (ex. addressing misconceptions.)

[stray cradle]

As a solos enjoyer, beacon and TTK changes allowed me to have a better time playing soloq, therefore I think restrictions could be lifted, if the rest of additions to fix solo issue stay in place. But I dont know the opinion of the rest of the solos enjoyer I am just a single person

[tidal light]

Jess is still trying to catch up, we may need to slow the questions down a tad lol

[stray cradle]

also item system for me makes better to as a singular person have decent gear, without depending of the rest of my team on doing "very good"

[charred citrus]

Hey mod team btw, Zendrex told me he no longer does the Shogun commands. What with the command propositions I've made 7 months ago? I even have idea for another one

[lethal mountain]

No ping so wasn't aware = /

[stray cradle]

so yeah, right now, with current systems in place, solos for me seems to be healthy enough to remove restrictions if the general consensus is that

[wind forge]

I feel so bad ;-;. Godless her

[wind forge]

Ngl solos feel the most fun in a while for me as well

Which just means ima spam more supervive

[mossy hemlock]

I think Beacons may be too fast (you can't really respond to them) but yea solo play feels better

[dark kernel]

Yep! Ben (the same Ben I mentioned in a previous chat with Tom Kick, haha.) I don't know if he wants to be known on the internet, so won't share his tag. But he is real, and maybe my nemesis.

[eager mesa]

TRUE I haven't seen beacons show up yet in this chat

[nocturne pelican]

Communication is lacking, feels like if you miss one information medium then you're missing out on important info that could be spread through every medium (discord, twitter, insta and so on...)

[devout topaz]

ahh nice

[lethal mountain]

I have every ping in this serv I feel like one should be use for things like hotfix :' )

[dark kernel]

Wow. Your CD callout helped - thank you. I think we found the bug.

[opaque yarrow]

Personally it feels like there's way too much abyss. I look at the drop map and it's just...so fractured. It's not that interesting to me. I've had like one or two fun moments with Myth, since I only really play her chasing someone down but...that's about it.

I saw the old layout and it looks way better imo.

Ultimately the biggest thing I hope for is the weird armory stuff to be looked at. It doesn't make sense to me to allow for another barrier of entry in a competitive game that's already a BR and therefore RNG ontop of RNG. At least being able to go in with an idea of a build and no barrier or little barrier in that regard would be Something. The gacha 3 star stuff ain't it imo.

Aside from that - speaking of Myth. She feels kind of underwhelming especially on drop with dive characters being so prevalent and her LMB feeling so clunky. As soon as you've got your ult it can feel alright, although I do wish her ult was thicker, since a lot of the popular cast seems to be able to react easily to strafe unless they're unaware, funneled or cc'd. The RMB also feels clunky, but maybe I'm just using it poorly

[devout topaz]

Yea its a bug too not a tuning thing https://i.imgur.com/xekpF93.png

it looks like the actual value is meant to be 0.2

but its about 0.7?

[errant kraken]

i think its fine

its not too broken

its strong but not game warping imo

[wispy mortar]

thanks for answering on that

[lethal mountain]

Ok I just saw it, it's underwhelming compare to what I was "asking" like we had before on wednesday

[dark kernel]

For sure - it's more tuned for that right now, so can note the fuel amount feels high.

[devout topaz]

There also seems to be a bug lining up the bar over her head indicating charge - it seems to delay by about .4 seconds still looking like its charging up even after you let go of her LMB
And her charge in the bottom left seems to sync with the serverside indicator of her charge, not the clientside indicator of her charge, which should probably change

Her ghost walk seems to break on some terrain - especially in practice range
When it breaks on certain terrain (usually when theres like a rock colliding with a tree in the terrain?) her ghost walk ends instantly (even though she took no damage)

[dark kernel]

Noted this too.

[devout topaz]

Her LMB cooldown when swapped to her Ult LMB does not share a cooldown with her normal LMBs - so if you fire the 3rd ult shot you can instantly begin her next LMB charge (if you're tapping, it will instantly fire an uncharged arrow, griefing you, but you can also abuse this to get an extra free hit in to burst after her ult too because you won't suffer the initial self-slow)

[dark kernel]

Ohhh.

[devout topaz]

If you cancel her LMB with glider while in the ult it will consume an ult lmb charge (possibly intentional? feels terrible though and makes mantling grief you too)

[eager mesa]

6s Beacon Positives:

• Beacons in endgame are usable, it makes me actually hold on to deployable beacon late into the game
• Easier to get back into the game after being dunked by an abyss terrorist for trying to traverse the map
• "another positive is makes soloq more enjoyable, a lot actually" - @stray cradle
  6s Beacon Negatives:
• Turbo clown fiesta in every big fight.
• Finishing squads that have a Jin or Wukong on them is impossible so it contributes to the giga-overtuned nature of the two.
• Unless you're playing Jin/Wukong/Brall and react INSTANTLY to a rez that's basically beside you, you can't stop people from reviving because you can't make it there fast enough.

[opaque yarrow]

Yes this man is way more aware of the nuance. Which sucks because I - as a new player - chose to only play her and try to get good at her first.

She's fun - but super underwhelming at times and clunky.

[pine meadow]

The Heart with 6sec rez time is an absolute clownfiesta

[ripe wren]

def agreed*

[stray cradle]

another positive is makes soloq more enjoyable, a lot actually

[devout topaz]

the spell swapping into her ult LMB also still seems to be buggy - if you hold LMB and press ult, your LMB will continue charging but it will be a normal lmb (you won't lose an ult shot though, it will just only "start counting LMBs" after you loose your LMB, but the buff duration is still ticking down)
This also causes issues if you start holding LMB right as you press ult - it seems to cause a race condition depending on ping whether or not the LMB is an ult LMB or not? This may also be the cause of the bug where you sometimes fire 4 ult shots (don't fix that one tho ty ❤️ haha)

[stray cradle]

yeah heart should be nerfed true

give it a debuff

for subsequent revives

[devout topaz]

Glider cancelling her Rain of Arrows starts the cooldown of her rain of arrows now (this used to not be the case)

[dark kernel]

Similar to the Myth callout - is there more context on the LMB bug?

[devout topaz]

and I think some of the abuses with ghost walk (like some of the getting through walls I maybe shouldn't be able to!) seem to be possibly unfixable..? I can maybe DM you to prevent spreading ways to abuse this character haha

[opaque yarrow]

Oh regarding that - Vault walls. I feel like you should be able to ghost walk those After the vault is open. No reason not to.

[tidal light]

Jess getting asked enough questions that this chat could be considered paperatzi

[devout topaz]

I'm not sure you want that

I believe there was a patch where this was the case? at least in some vaults?

[charred citrus]

I kinda like the short beacons.
And the resurrection sickness is actually good.
Portable beacons usable lategame is POG

[devout topaz]

and it was extremely abusable as myth to contest vaults

[nocturne pelican]

She is self slowed to a point where you almost cannot move while LMBing

• Dash damage is non existent for some reason, feels like half of the rework was implemented

[lethal mountain]

Each time you use LMB you have a self slow, I don't believe its a nerf since it wasn't written, and if it is then it makes the hunter unplayable + dash damage ye

[opaque yarrow]

Sure but I'd be happy for more pvp contests

[lethal mountain]

Also I didn't saw earlier but did you mentionned anything about the 6sec rez beacons?

Is it something you're planning to change?

[devout topaz]

Alright this is enough of my myth bug finding adventures
you should definitely get a QA person on this character istg haha its always so easy to find bugs with her

[tidal light]

She's going down the line, there's a lot of stuff to answer lol

[opaque yarrow]

Oh. Also. I don't know if it's be, too good? but I wish Myth's arrow rain came out a bit quicker. It feels like Cho'Gath's old Q where it was almost impossible to hit an aware person that wasn't like slowed or stunned etc. The area control is good at least.

[bronze locust]

is Joule's auto self slow a nerf or bug?

it isn't shown in patch notes

[dark kernel]

1.0 is meant to pull in new people - I don't think that's controversial. But splitting Ranked, investing more in matchmaking for 1.0, warm-up mode to let us matchmake you more precisely is so that the new things to master (ex. the expanded item pool/bigger map to learn/vehicles/etc.) is more fun to try both as a new player and to limit test as a more experienced one. If you're mostly asking to tighten matchmaking further (but said in a different way,) have that note and it's not antithetical to what we want, too.

[dark kernel]

Made some changes - I won't go into detail, but mentioning it here.

[paper merlin]

probably a long shot but are squads/duos just permanently gone with no hope of returning? Game shifted to Trios and there were really no balance changes at the time so I was just assuming it was a temporary fix to the queue issues

But this seems like it's gonna be permanent

[tidal light]

That is amazing, I think that was the biggest issue for getting people in, and getting them to stay, even more so then armory stuff

[dark kernel]

Will add this to the request backlog - might prioritize some of the other requests for Custom Games first, but understood.

[stray cradle]

Ig prisma system is meant to give the big chunks of prisma from daily/weekly/seasony quests and the big chunks of prisma from in-game is actually for very good / very involved players?

[dark kernel]

I missed this, but we also noted that Shiv feels strong, even if she isn't showing up strong for us. She's on the watchlist.

[stray cradle]

as sometimes ingame earning seems low, but from quests its actually good enough, maybe I just completed them very fast, which could be I played a bunch

[versed kernel]

shes running EU servers, every team has one

[hardy harbor]

When Joule rework

[eager mesa]

Same with NA

[hardy harbor]

top 2 global is shiv player

[eager mesa]

Shiv giga benefits from the new items

[olive badger]

Why did she even got buffed?

[hardy harbor]

Idk she's just one shoting everyone

[olive badger]

Actually curious

[hardy harbor]

just straight damage

[tidal light]

My issue for removing the SkySharks™ from comp play is that they may be more enjoyable to watch, removing something that comp people may not like playing with but fans like watching people use is not a good look :L

[paper merlin]

Joule is perfect she doesn't need rework 🗣️

[dark kernel]

We have a list of influencers we're still reaching out to, but can follow up.

[hardy harbor]

She will get already

[tidal light]

IIRC she was considered not great pre-1.0 like middle of pack to lower teir

[olive badger]

I mean the top 1 player with more tourney "points" in EU is a shiv player

[tidal light]

Yea, but Tourney doesn't really affect what they see for how effective a hunter is. Like no shade against tourneys and stuff, but if one player on shiv does really well, it could just be that player

[errant kraken]

shivs problem is just she is low risk high reward

if she daggers behind she can do what she wants in ur front line then TP back

[dark kernel]

Yeah, this is the aspect that we noted internally already. Think UX folks are already aware, but tagged.

[olive badger]

Besides the new range items are insane for her

[errant kraken]

before she struggled to kill with the speed that she can now

now she has extra range and LMB damage she just kills so fast

and her ult is so faceroll ngl

[devout topaz]

Obviously you can't give a date because it has to get verified, fixed, the build bug tested, etc. So I'm aware there's variance but when do you think this bug might get fixed so I can answer people? Like ASAP or would this kinda change get benched until there's a major patch to go in with?
Also, did you pass through the other bugs I found? Or should I make a list to put in report a bug or DM it somewhere or something?

[errant kraken]

you can spam dashes and LMB and you have almost 0 chance to die

[tidal light]

I do personally think that Shiv is the hardest to preform on hunter in the game, for everyone, not just top players, cause yea she is easy up there.

[woven mural]

Hi just woke up. Would like to know hudson is in a really weak spot, bro os tickling the enemies rn istg.

[errant kraken]

yea maybe at the lower level she can be quite daunting

but at high levels shes not really that difficult becasue she is almost unpunishable

[dark kernel]

I appreciate this, but the client got a fair bit of flack (externally and internally). Felt appropriate to address and have seen appreciation for it getting cleaned up. Have also seen the notes around the # of pips and how passes are structured - so we're looking at those notes.

[tidal light]

[misty field]

had a buddy who tried beta and quit come back and first thing he commented on was how much better the UI was.

[languid shadow]

As a known hater, i must say i love the new Ui 👍

both for ingame and main menu, endgame screens look awesome

[thick laurel]

Had the exact opposite lol

[thick laurel]

@languid shadow What are your thoughts on the armory?

[dark kernel]

Forwarded your other notes, but let me know if you have additional context you want to add for this one.

[devout topaz]

Out of bounds without the damage or debuff penalty

[languid shadow]

i personally have had more fun these 2 days than ive had since the april trios update, i think it greatly improves the experience for EXPERIENCED players, but worsens it for new players. Most sponsored streamers i watched barely interacted with it and im 100% convinced the best path to take is having everything unlocked at level 1 for everyone and instead putting only the upgrades behind prisma

Its awesome that unique builds can shine now!

[thick laurel]

Was it about in game ui or launcher btw?

[devout topaz]

I'm pretty sure I got it to work on top of the rock too

• the animation got stuck

[dark kernel]

Glad to hear it. Just got a note that we'll be using the smaller banners moving forward too. Let me know which pieces feel harder to find - will give UX folks a heads-up.

[devout topaz]

Oh actually I wanted Tom kicks face to be even bigger

[misty field]

The main menu

[dark kernel]

Covered the first note some. For the second note, is the main concern still around experienced players potentially bouncing because of the restrictions? (Just to make sure I'm not missing anything.)

[devout topaz]

At least this big please

Tom is always my 3rd

[hardy harbor]

can we get like a "research item" thing in the armory for doing missions ingame to unlock X item or specify one item to unlock before the others

or anything near that

[charred citrus]

Remember the topic about safelocked's face in previous UI?

[devout topaz]

Lol

[hardy harbor]

i'm almost Legend and didn't get the boots that I want yet

[charred citrus]

[hardy harbor]

Like, how much time do I'll spend doing an alternative build to unlock one that I'll actually use

[thick laurel]

Wait, was "featured creator" text added with a patchnote today?

[gentle jasper]

any info on item hover descriptions when exchanging items?
swapping the new equipment / 5 passives is very confusing with no description

can there be an option/toggle to add more detailed skill descriptions to F1 ability overview

[thick laurel]

Ask your friends to buy you boots

[stray cradle]

it was since release

[hardy harbor]

[stray cradle]

ive always seen the featured creator text

[thick laurel]

Wait what

[stray cradle]

maybe is an issue of the ru client?

[ripe wren]

out of curiosity, can I ask what champs are you playing?

[normal patio]

Do we know if zeph bhop being added back is intended or not ?

[ripe wren]

and is there a site to look up data on the game?

[tidal light]

That's a day old photo

[stray cradle]

maybe is only a localization issue lmao

[tidal light]

I will photoshop that when I get home

[wispy mortar]

i already wrote a bit about it, but i just truely believe that itll bring a variety of issues that arent worth the benefit you believe it brings, ill try to note the most important ones

1. Alot of people will quit because they dont want to play with randoms/just want to play with their friends and theres other options that allow them to play trios (mainly inhouses), drying out queues more and encouraging for more people to leave after reaching master.
2. A team of 3 will always be stronger than a team of 2 when skill levels are similar enough creating an elohell, previously, with the same ranked system we have rn, this would just result in people speccing down enough for there to not be enough strenght in teams for ranked to not just become a timegrind more than an actual measure of skill. If you look at the ladder rn, youll literally be able to see people being hardstuck in diamond for the first time since i can remember before master restrictions taking effect in a broad scale, further indicating that ur ranked system actually works without them.
3. I think the issues adressed with restrictions dont really matter on high playercounts, so removing them right now to introduce back later when you feel like the issues are becoming present enough again would just be a much better way to go about this, to try and retain more players and the integrity of the queues as much as possible, since as i said, the playercount actually matters alot for this issue.

got alot longer than in wanted to but its a complex issue :D

[dark kernel]

Oh no. I lost where I was in this thread. Re-finding...

[devout topaz]

Honestly replace your other teammate with Tom too

[tidal light]

It aint my pic, was in Memes, but I can definitely photoshop tom to perfectly cover all 3 of them seperately

[wispy mortar]

btw anion, i envy the myth playerbase for having you ngl

youre doing the myth gods work

[tidal light]

Well yea, the Shadow CEO is a Myth Main, what didja expect

[thick laurel]

guys...

[gentle jasper]

LOL

[abstract quartz]

he watches

[thick laurel]

I thought it was like designer choice to leave it without any text

[gentle jasper]

tom staring menacingly with no context

[dark kernel]

I'll check in on this.

[thick laurel]

literally this for everyone who is playing with Russian lang

[tidal light]

Just wait untill it's me staring

[dark kernel]

Wait, where's that post that says 1.0 changes don't help Myth? Anion's got something to say...

[devout topaz]

Lol

I haven't seen anyone do the things that help her yet tbf

[stray cradle]

yep, ru client issue, way easy to fix

[dark kernel]

Yes.

[stray cradle]

we thought u didnt like tom kick's face xddd

[thick laurel]

ahahaahah

[dark kernel]

Not hijacking at all. You're great.

[woven mural]

A little hudson complaining time(back here again)

• Why am i oom like 24/7? 2 wires + dash and then i gotta eat vive cus 1 more dqsh and I'm oom; feels pretty stupid

• why do i do no dmg? Watching a felix literally dash into my wires well i am staring at him for a solid 5 or so seconds, and i don't even break the fucking shield by the time he walks through them.

• on the topic of wires, when I was asking for the wirea to actually stop the people knocked into them i wanted them to stop inside so that hudson didn't have to bet on the smallest chance of the line up. But since they stop at the edge they can just insta walk out
  Also, where's my shorter dashes? 🥺

Hudson is literally only good at kiting, and that's insane when you think about what he should be good at(it's literally the opposite of kiting)

[dark kernel]

Rock on. Also really appreciating this.

[charred citrus]

Can we have the hunter in main menu clickable like before? I keep clicking hunter to swap and then my brain starts up and about 7.2 seconds after that I realize I have to click 'hunters'

[hardy harbor]

Joule and Carbine

go for shiv

[dark kernel]

Yeah, LMB Hunters are on the watchlist for us.

[tidal light]

I hope I can get the second relic I want for a carbine build, will be very interesting if I make it work :)

[dark kernel]

Working on specifics - once we're sure, we can confirm.

[opaque yarrow]

Other than Myth. She's definitely getting the short end of the stick. Just got Two shot by Shrike on drop, but my arrows don't do nearly that much off rip

[dark kernel]

Lmao, I just got to this message..

[tidal light]

LOL

[stray cradle]

is nothing relevant

not for jess atleast

it was just for the funsies of checking how many reviews were of X type

[charred citrus]

I'd say a valid review comes from:

• someone who has at least 2 hours of playing in the 1.0
• someone who has more than 1 review on the account

Positive or negative, both valid.

[devout topaz]

More than 1 valid review? 👀

[charred citrus]

[stray cradle]

yeah but I dont want to start a discussion about it >< Anyway theorycraft has better ways of checking reviews/ engagement than us

[charred citrus]

Oh it's not really about engagement, but just getting a rough information on what people focus on

[dark kernel]

When you're saying the abyss is less interesting to you, could you expand?

[charred citrus]

I suggest you to read the comments on that review, you'll find out some intereting stuff. I might also tell you something Mika has been doing to Chinese players on this server to kick them.

[woven mural]

There were reasons why Mika was banned and that's not it. Idk what you've heard but Mika had a ban incoming regardless of what you think

[paper merlin]

let's not delve into that right now it's irrelevant

[hardy harbor]

not the right chat to it tho

[woven mural]

I can't exactly speak for them, but dunks do make the abyss feel less fun for me. 10 times more fun against non dunkers but 100 times more unfun against dunkers this patch.

[ripe wren]

broski, literally all of the comments on that review are making fun of the poster

[paper merlin]

I don't think this is the right place for that and we're discussing this amongst ourselves. Safelocked has dedicated time to QnA we should focus on that when we can just revisit this another time

[hardy harbor]

ye

[dark kernel]

Will do another pass on Practice Range.

[hardy harbor]

can we talk about Joule rework

and her orb visual bug

and when it's going to fix it

[devout topaz]

I mostly worry about the similar objects appearing in the BR map being objects you can't ghost walk through
Especially if any conditions can cause it to instantly end the buff

[opaque yarrow]

The air to air combat feels forced, in a lot of cases. And way too many times does it feel like it simply favors the Dunk esq mechanic. I'd prefer more interesting terrain, and less open space. It also makes it slower to find and fight people in some cases, because it's so spread out via the extra open space. Also not a fan of the cars, the train is enough.

[dark kernel]

Appreciate this breakdown.

[opaque yarrow]

Sometimes they'll just run away and know they can insta dunk you if you chase and you're not a character that easily does that. Which is also not the best experience.

[paper merlin]

Seeing that Brall got nerfed again for the umpteenth time, is there any consideration to just removing his knockback? My grievances for this mechanic with him is that it's still labeled as a "nerf" for him. Now that dunks are harder because of the glider changes and more than half of the map is just void, dunkers like Kingpin, Jin and of course, Brall are more relevant than ever

Brall has so many ways to force out people into the void it's not really all too much of a nerf. I extended the same issues around when Beebo was released and I still don't believe it's a nerf, and now in 1.0 with all the changes and everything and him getting even more nerfs to his numbers, it just strengthened my point on how problematic Brall is especially with that knockback

[eager mesa]

https://discord.com/channels/852642429105995786/1377400009804349501

Been fighting the good fights for months

[paper merlin]

damn, I've been saying the same thing ever since that Beebo patch it's very rough

[eager mesa]

Also LMBrall is back. Squishy hunters rejoice.

[charred citrus]

Oh come on guys, having a knockback every 0.5 seconds is balanced

[paper merlin]

hey Felix has an 8 second cooldown on his RMB can he get it back?

[woven mural]

There is a very good reason they just had to make up a thing to ban her. She was unfunnto talk to and made talking in some channels actually unfun, was literally always negative and me and many other people just never saw her do anything positive.

Now let's stop talking about this... please.

[languid shadow]

wukong with his over 10 bugs on rmb is incredibly unfair rn, not even counting the movement tech since its confirmed a bug

[charred citrus]

Target tango down

This will backlash though

[devout topaz]

Thank you for the chat tonight Jess, gn

[dark kernel]

Night!

[charred citrus]

Nighty!

[hardy harbor]

noooo

[thick laurel]

Fix Tom Kick please

[hardy harbor]

please

[thick laurel]

😭

[charred citrus]

@slow compass are you broken?

[woven mural]

The real question is, has he ever not been broken?

[charred citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/greys-anatomy-derek-shepherd-we-all-are-patrick-dempsey-gif-25757811

[paper merlin]

Brall? he's literally Mahoraga

he will adapt to the goddamn meta

[wispy mortar]

jeez guys stop pinging him on everything, this is the 5th random mention of him ive seen in a few hours

[charred citrus]

We just love him

[wispy mortar]

you can love him without blowing up his inbox xD

[charred citrus]

-# or hate him

[wispy mortar]

Poor guy is asleep

[charred citrus]

Well he can wake up and remember the time he spiked me!

[thick laurel]

And I can't sleep anymore

[woven mural]

How dare he sleep >:(

[paper merlin]

face card is insane

[dark kernel]

I just got a note that confirmed we're looking at mana. Will review the changes here first.

[thick laurel]

Jess please

[woven mural]

If yall do change the mana I hope saros is kept somewhat the same with mana. Cus i think it's better if saros actually wants to play around his passive more

[thick laurel]

today is gonna be even more streamers who gonna ask why there's a dude in a main menu

[dark kernel]

Will follow up on this one.

[dark kernel]

Following up on this. Was asking earlier - Manaa and Gugu called it out, too.

[pine meadow]

idk if something about Shiv state has being said

but like i said, she's blatently op

we're even considering banning her in scrims

[olive badger]

Yeah she's a monster but I think safelocked already knows now

[woven mural]

Saw some people complaining about it that's all I think

[olive badger]

Hope when they hotfix her, they also hotfix arena

[woven mural]

Actually? I knew she was bad but I didn't know she was that bad.

[pine meadow]

Wukong and Shiv are both too strong

[hardy harbor]

safelocked already stated that they"re aware

[pine meadow]

ok ok

[gentle nova]

hello, idk if it was already discussed here, but will the MMR brackets get tighter? Even tho veteran players should have high MMR you still end up with new players when you play solo, is it just because majority of highelo players are still Qing as a party or is it a known issue?

[hardy harbor]

UP in this chat idk when

[errant kraken]

i dont think it was serious suggestion banning her in scrims

but yea she is omega oppressive

[olive badger]

There are not enough high mmr players queuing or they all stacking or both

[pine meadow]

i wouldn't be surprised tbh

[dark kernel]

Yeah, not counting Myth given the LMB bug that we talked about. Can take a look after that goes live and see how she's doing afterward.

[errant kraken]

going down the route of banning hunters is really dumb imo

[gentle nova]

idk, it still works in a weird way because duoQ high mmr players get a newbie and soloQ high mmr player gets a newbie while majority of high mmr players are still queuing trios

maybe the system considers visual rank way too much instead of mmr? idk

[dark kernel]

Not sure yet - depends on whether we can integrate the fix safely. We'll include it in the patch notes callouts.

[eager mesa]

Got stuck in a game - here's what I meant to type earlier in the Brall convo:

I will say Brall lmb knockback doesn't jitter me as much anymore, but it still has cancelled some of my dashes. Also DI is still just exacerbating the problem. My choices are 1: get knocked back and over abyss or 2: get held nearly in place by trying to DI toward him.

[olive badger]

Im pretty sure that's happening bcs 90% of the high mmr players are stacking as trio, so you if you go like duo or solo as high mmr player you will get newbies bcs there are no more high mmr players to fill your team

[dark kernel]

Exploring things to help with agency - we're interested in this space too.

[eager mesa]

as an example of OP's idea check the research trees in Rust

[dark kernel]

Heya - the second request the F1 menu is clear. I'm not sure I understand what you're asking in the first part - are the tooltips not showing up in a place you expect?

[woven mural]

Can't see them in scoreboard when u hover over them :(

[pine meadow]

we had to endure Crysta on release and everyone abusing the shieldbash tech on Oath. Banning these hunter in comp wouldve made these scrims way better at this time

[dark kernel]

Roger - thanks.

[gentle jasper]

for the first part, I was expecting an item description on hovering over an item when swapping, theres so many icons I dont know what they do quickly without looking all the way to the bottom right, or just knowing what everything does just by icon (which applies to both relics/passives)

in this picture, I want to replace a passive/relic - there should be a description of the item or stats i'm hovering over for responsive gameplay, this seems rather important as it's very jarring in-game & most people will have this issue mid-late game when swapping

[charred citrus]

Let me explain:
Go to practice mode, equip 5 perks so you're full
Now get one perk to lie on the ground and pick it up.
You have NO IDEA what you're swapping with, except for the images, which are by the way - really not clear

[dark kernel]

Lol. I knew this was what you were describing, but it's still funny to see.

[charred citrus]

That's why I even suggested editing the Perks icons, to get rid of the 'rings'/ 'frames', so the inner images are bigger and easier to distinguish

[errant kraken]

maybe more fun but less competitive

banning hunters cuz they are OP is always a silly thing to me

and i always say the best thing you can do when a hunter is OP

i abuse it as much as possible so as many people as possible complain about it and get it nerfed

[woven mural]

Even if this is true it's really hard to actually out right ban a character in comp for any game. Some people would likely just not touch comp with shiv banned just because they like shiv. Is it really worth banning shiv just so people don't have to deal with her in an op state? Fuck people who wanna play shiv basically

[pine meadow]

like we didn't get the same meta with Myth, Oath and Bishop (+ KP in squads) for 7 months

[errant kraken]

yea i mean thats the game

[dark kernel]

Yeah - we'll be focusing on Trios.

[paper merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/sakomoto-days-sakamoto-taro-sakamoto-aoi-fall-in-love-glasses-break-gif-14122864268755305924

thanks for the clarification

[dark kernel]

Yeah, goal for missions is that they should help a decent amount.

[stray cradle]

as I thought, I also have this issue on league that I do complete them without noticing so yeah it maakes sense

[dark kernel]

It's a split debate, even internally. Want to continue investing more in DI, but I've noted it in that spirit (and if folks feel differently now with more soak.)

[dark kernel]

Can I get a description of the bug you're describing? Want to double-check that we have it/if it's fixed.

[hardy harbor]

https://discord.com/channels/852642429105995786/1387997842475581582

[charred citrus]

It's nice to see you're actually going through all messages. I need to join this thread more frequently.
If I were you, I'd react some type of emoji to all messages I've already responded/noted, it would be easier to find where I've left.
Like, dis:

[paper merlin]

Mmm understandable, I'm glad it's being looked at. Brall has been a menace even if his numbers were nerfed, that knockback just very much unfun to play against

Thanks for answering the questions safelocked 🙏

[hardy harbor]

is it even a bug or am I tripping I feel like It is

[dark kernel]

Ahhh, thank you. Yes.

[dark kernel]

Thank you!

[dark kernel]

Of course! My actual solution to this (crossing fingers) is the dev blog. But I appreciate it.

[woven mural]

Would liek to note people really aren't a fan of the meta from what I've seen. People really do not have fun when the meta is massive mobility hunters in dunkers. It's probably only worse than hudson meta for most people. I'm seeing a lot of dislike towards dunks in general rn, especially with the huge increase in abyss.

Before it used to be i only hated fighting jin over abyss, now i hate fighting every hunter with a dunk(that isn't an ult) over abyss.

[dark kernel]

Yeah - mentioned this above, but we're looking at this right now.

[dark kernel]

I sent it over so we could take a look.

[hardy harbor]

Oh okay

nice to hear that

[dark kernel]

We thought this was fixed, so it might be a regression. We're following up.

Yeah! Thanks for reporting.

[thick laurel]

Jess, is it theoretically possible that someday prisma and lootboxes gonna be removed or should I get my hopes down?

[dark kernel]

Holy crap. I got to the end.

[distant mountain]

hey jess

got kinda late to the thread but is arena being worked on rn?

[dark kernel]

This is why I need this dev blog. Lol.

[distant mountain]

ah u answered already?

[hardy harbor]

There is like a 100ms time gap that the bugs occurs, only the fastest Joule's in the west were complaning about it

[dark kernel]

Yeah, for sure. Noted it in the feature breakdown also that we're working on Arena.

[distant mountain]

can u go into specifics?

[tidal light]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDCqgHLX8Ys

[paper merlin]

Thanks for answering the questions ❤️

[distant mountain]

like to me arena is all about the combat and how everyone is technically at the same power level

[dark kernel]

I love the title - the fastest Joules in the West.

[distant mountain]

so seeing it having gold now felt a bit weird

[hardy harbor]

could be in south tbh, me and @violet torrent noticed this one

[distant mountain]

same for having to use normal armory even tho u dont get prisma from it

[dark kernel]

Will include specifics in the patch notes - I've been at this since 3PM, so it's way past for me.

[distant mountain]

ah ok sorry

im gonna look it up and see what i can find

[dark kernel]

Nah, all good.

Alright, I think 5 hours is the longest I've gone on this. Thanks all! Going to go back to work. 🙂

[hardy harbor]

Thanks too safe, cya!

[lethal mountain]

Gn Safelocked!

Thx for the chat

[stray cradle]

take care jess, happy birthday and good luck!

[mossy hemlock]

holy jess the goat

5 hours

[tidal light]

"the devs dont listen" my ass

[keen dawn]

long time lurker here but went looking after the Steam review, is it known the devs just made up a reason? /gen

[keen dawn]

oops! meant to reply to this, apologies 🙏

[woven mural]

No, just wouldn't be surprised. Cus i don't think she really broke rules, she just made the chats less fun to talk in.

[hardy harbor]

she was kinda advertising another game here too tbh

[keen dawn]

new just in I am seeing a DM just now and well that confirms it more or less

it is a shame but occams razor if a community manager is making up a rule about misinformation and bans somebody the same day and that person can back up their claim

https://tenor.com/view/robert-downey-jr-well-shrug-what-can-i-say-gif-16627263

[woven mural]

It's imo good she got banned even if the reason for said ban was a little stretched

[keen dawn]

either way I will be back if this armory thing gets reverted, but back to the game announcements folder this goes I think

[tidal light]

Sorry you don't like the armory, thank you for at least being calm and respectful about it

[keen dawn]

wait... arent you the moron that slandered her in the comments? wow

[tidal light]

Oh, well nevermind then :L

[keen dawn]

not a good look to defend lolicons is all i can say, there has been some discussion about it all in a gaming community i am in

[fickle fox]

I love that peopel cry about jin

[tidal light]

I'm not gunna continue this here

[fickle fox]

I was crying for 4 months

[tidal light]

ye people allways do lol

[fickle fox]

He was soooo weak before

He is B tier now and peopel cry cause they cant play abys

[keen dawn]

nothing to continue just surprised you give her so much ammo by just existing

sometimes the best move is to not play

[thick laurel]

brother go to the dms, stop spamming this chat

[wind forge]

^ please

[keen dawn]

i encourage you to reread the sentence

[wind forge]

https://tenor.com/view/mewing-bird-gif-16835999897918525830

[thick laurel]

I encourage you to talk like real human

[wicked geyser]

What are your thoughts on scones? Cream on top of jam?

[analog wedge]

Bro thank you so much for working on Myth and bringing more attention to her issues!

Let's hope the lmb gets fixed sooner rather than later

[keen dawn]

would you happen to be cornish? i am afraid i come from stoke so would be a cultural appropriation to cast my vote

[cerulean atlas]

I actually can't wait to play season 0. my PC shit the bed recently... Very great thread from Safelocked and co.

as soon as im back to gaming

i want to try the changes for 1,0

[wicked geyser]

No I am just well acquainted with someone who likes to make alt accounts

[keen dawn]

i cannot help you there friend im lost clearly

[cerulean atlas]

Were there any specific changes to Arena in 1.0?

[pure flower]

https://tenor.com/view/shock-gif-15901363242606965490

Bro wtf even happened in this server while I was gone

[woven mural]

Jin is unfun to fight, the exact thing I've been saying for months. He's in such a shit state that it's either he is unplayable or ruins the game. Literally just look at what people were saying literally any time jin was strong

[tidal light]

BROOK!

AHHH

THE BEST OATH IN THE GAME IS BAAAAACK

WOOOO

[pure flower]

Flappy still has my ass beat by like a country mile lol

[cerulean atlas]

i've been thinking Maybe I'll Kill Arena. but wondering If Some work was done to it map wise or if it's the same. Besides that Are there New changes to it at all?

[tidal light]

nah nah nah

[eager mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/взгляд-2000-ярдов-война-war-soldier-gif-3632617944134077161

[hexed jolt]

I was so excited to play 1.0 but as a void one trick its so painful to play right now. I feel like I have extremely little agency against high elo dive comps :(

[rich sapphire]

Can we get an answer if the weekly legendary chest will force us to just choose from legendaries

[woven mural]

As a hudson 1 trick i feel ya bro...

Idk bout void, but for hudson his kit is just insanly underpowered, he isn't just weak due to dive meta

[ripe wren]

to clarify, I feel like dunks are mostly fine when they are defensive/punishing an enemy mistake. If I got my glider out before 1.0 and got sniped or got hit by a slow moving grab from kingpin which leads into a dunk then the mistake is on me. The issue is when Jin or Brall jump my ass from a screen away and effectively oneshot me

[stray cradle]

You also get some prisma and something more, and ye, 3 Legos to choose between

[rich sapphire]

Yes unfortunately though i dont want any legendary

Im just looking for the only rare relics

[stray cradle]

Then you will most likely get those on daily shop/ capsules as it's way more common to get them, Legos are the low % stuff.

That said, you should be able to target some items you really want for bad luck protection purposes , I hope devs add that soon so everyone is a bit happier

[rich sapphire]

well i still didnt get it because i literally only have 4 relics so far and 2 star level gauntlets

[stray cradle]

Only two days have passed I hope you get what you want on your daily shop

[rich sapphire]

Same......

[woven mural]

Yea, I feel the same with void rn. I basically cannot hear the stun and it was a very hard to see visual.

[slow compass]

mentally, physically and in game yeah

[languid shadow]

It would be for the best to remove the que restrictions NOW before all of us stop playing ranked and play inhouses exclusively again...

[errant kraken]

Agreed

[woven mural]

YES! Pleeease
https://discord.com/channels/852642429105995786/1398058722483245136

[wispy mortar]

its now or never

once the queues arent seeded anymore this entire issue will be out of the window for the current debate anyways

queues feel good because theyre seeded well

Once theyre not you might as well keep the restrictions, but that will just blow the playercount issue out of proportion again

especially with people prefering inhouses again

Theres just enough good players at this point that we dont have a sharktank issue anymore, the tank is only filled by sharks.

[pine meadow]

Needs an hotfix for either making extractor not spawning on train rails, or make them not destructible by the train, we lost everything here

[floral thunder]

Omg that nut finally got banned? About time

[wispy mortar]

Shes been wilding out all weak leading up to this, good riddance.

[tawny sorrel]

I think a lot of this issue is there is no positioning game with them. Rocket booster boots + all the glider perks just means they already insane movement just goes crazy stule

[vital wren]

Just a thought I had today.

It’s nice to see criticism not devolve into personal attacks against people. I feel like we have the most crystal clear vision on where people enjoy SUPERVIVE and where they don’t.

Keep up the amazing feedback, everyone. Proud of you and remember to drink water

[pseudo isle]

U guys so cute and peacefull meanwhile im here blue eyes white dragon rdy to evaporate all

[pseudo isle]

Im ngl ive seen and or read people from the community id rather see on dev team in regards to vision and changes excluding myself even. Like im past having 5% hope even when i see some nerd with loreal paris skin care out think the devs of game i grew passion for

[wispy mortar]

the last part of that message is something i needed to hear

xD

I forgor :(

[pseudo isle]

i spared ur soul in consideration

[eager mesa]

Ominous

[dull echo]

the 40 minute yappnuke he had readied up

[wispy mortar]

yourea real one for that vuli the last thing my dehydrated ass needs rn is a vuli video

my hero

[pseudo isle]

more like 1 minute common sense legendary cash royal left side tower rush deluxe but i cohlda recorded 40 min straight also so fair point

[pseudo isle]

[eager mesa]

Drink water >:(

[wispy mortar]

If i drink more i might drown

thatd make u a murderer basically.

Caught.

Hands up

[eager mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/cinema-gif-5823611854882423999

[tidal light]

Talkin in the third person is wild

[eager mesa]

Miles does not talk in the third person. Miles just begins every sentence with units of measurement

[tidal light]

lmao

[eager mesa]

Miles also has a poor grasp of sentence structure

Kilometers does not think very well

[blazing herald]

nah, it’s a mix - she had some decent takes but also some rancid ones and real bad vibes. some of the people who disliked her also suck unfortunately

like I personally won’t miss her a ton, but also the way some people treated her here wasn’t cool

[dull echo]

Id love Large, old monster women ngl 🤤

[versed kernel]

mika and paqt would be great friends

[dull echo]

Im chill with both and gonna say they would rather ignore each others

[tidal light]

Amazing friend

[versed kernel]

gotta give it to paqt atleast he owns it

[latent pollen]

im thankful that discord lets you see when an account joined a server on the same day it was made

😄

[versed kernel]

[blazing herald]

:despair:

[wispy mortar]

They should both honestly just get outside more

[floral thunder]

Yeah people who want the game to succeed and not be some weird fetish softcore porn game.

[dull echo]

I want me some large old monster women 😍

https://tenor.com/view/freaky-freaky-mode-thug-zesty-licking-gif-17874267150404318497

[cerulean atlas]

Batman shopping at the grocery store because Bruce Wayne got banned

[hexed jolt]

please :C

[cerulean atlas]

Season Zero is a game state not your goal for Hudson’s win rate son

[dull echo]

[paper merlin]

Brall on top

[whole prawn]

that thread was us saying we want different and more variety of hot characters, why did this person think we want old monster women?

people with bad faith just immediately assume asking for variety = make everything ugly

you can think hudson is ugly cause hes not muscle man #20 but hes definitely attractive to people who are into bears

[dull echo]

Its such a ZZZ moment as well. You mention how you want good natural variety and maybe even representation and imediately you have someone in there saying you want everything to be ugly cus some other game made an unappealing forced design 😭

[whole prawn]

right they always love bringing up other games, we're talking about supervive not x y or z

and dont give me old lady = ugly either cause youre not gonna sit here and tell me nobody finds renata glasc/ camille attractive

anyways yap over variety is good

[charred citrus]

Yeah they wouldn't. Though I prefeer paqt over Mika. Mika's constant hostility to everyone, negativity, insufferable doomposting and starting wars over anything was simply exhausting, and I'd say very bad for business :P

[dull echo]

I have a wish we get more big naturals rep ngl. Sister pointed out to me how the only way large chested women tend to be portreyd is eye candy on one dimensional characters and female characters who are curvy tend to have their figure proggresively toned down.
Recent example is Rouge the Bat from the sonic series

I know you looking at me weird but Im saying this with an unclouded mind and a pure heart 👼

[whole prawn]

I support peoples interests

to an extent

[dull echo]

He should be hairier ( I say this with a lustful mind and a tainted heart)

[stray cradle]

mika was decent until she discovered professional game devs do not always listen to her petitions, which is obvious. Then it was just dunning kruger effect permanently

[eager mesa]

what's the dunning kruger effect again? It rings a bell but I forget the specifics

[mighty tusk]

people use it as a shorthand for not being as smart as you think you are

[stray cradle]

is like thinking you are so so smart everyone else is wrong

[eager mesa]

Ye I think I remember now. Like when you know a little about something you vastly over-estimate your competence on the subject, but as you learn more you realize just how little you know

something to that effect

[dull echo]

I feel its good to question decisions made by devs. Even if they have experience on the field, it doesnt mean they are infallible. Everyone does mistakes and when looking at gaming on a broad perspective there are a lot of game studios with very experienced people making mistakes. They are human afterall with biases and faults.

If no one ever brings up opposition to bad calls then how do the devs ever know if somethings a good/bad call.

To me there is value keeping people around that criticize you. Keep your friends close and enemies even closer.

I feel that on this discord it is very difficult to ever dislike anything or give critisism because it feels as though it gets dismissed as "doomposting".

If I dislike the new gacha system on princible and leave a negative review. I get Villanized as someone who HATES vive. When leaving a review in the first place means I CARE enough to try and improve the game I fell in love with. I criticize things because I care deeply.

Biggest mistakes I feel the devs have made for this game might just be their team size compared to the scope of the game. A live service game aimed at a large audience, on a short dev time cycle with a small team does not sound reasonable to execute compared to player expectation.
Also feel their vision for the game isnt coherent enough to execute and misalinged with the costumers.

Im quite sure Mika cared very deeply for vive consider they where with them game from almost the begining...
I havent been arond for as long as her but the way people villanize her so much concerns me.
She seems like a pretty nice lady from my interactions with her.

But im a little weird in that seemingly everyone is chill with me.
(Insert I have no enemies gif)

[stray cradle]

Mika didnt care about supervive she only wanted a game tailored for her specifically, I am no meaning on criticizing armory system, she had problems from way way before

[dull echo]

Original study came from 2 professors who came up with a theory that a person that is stupid enough is so stupid they are robbed of the ability to realize they are stupid

Study was started because of this one guy covered his face with lemon juice and robbed a bank fully convinced it turned him invisible (because he read somewhere lemon is used as an ingredient in invisible ink).

[stray cradle]

She got removed moderator role for a reason, started to be way more bitter about everything

it was just a downfall

[versed kernel]

think we can move on from talking about mika

[languid shadow]

why, mika had good takes?

why was this person banned?

[dull echo]

Oh im sure she wanted the game to fully fit her ideal version. I want as well.

I feel everyone wants the game to be to their taste.

It is very disengenious to assume she didnt love the game.

[twilit gyro]

#StopUnfairBans

[languid shadow]

when it came to takes related to the games balancing and systems mika always had great takes

in my personal opinion

not sure why shes been banned

[dull echo]

From what ive gotten she critizied too close to a dev and questioned their decisions

Not fully sure though

[stray cradle]

she started saying on supervive channel, SUPERVIVE SUCKS GO PLAY ETERNAL RETURN on launch day etc

[versed kernel]

oh mika and paqt in the same room

how cool

[languid shadow]

💀

i also spoke about that tho

nexon or whatever didnt want the game to release in 1.0 yet cus of the overwhelmingly negative feedback

[charred citrus]

And both talking about their accounts in third person!

[languid shadow]

interesting

[versed kernel]

ahah

allegedly

[languid shadow]

allegedly

if she doesnt have a NDA and hasnt insulted anyone i dont see why she should be banned btw

[versed kernel]

does doxing count

[languid shadow]

yea

[versed kernel]

nvm then

[languid shadow]

how am i supposed to know this happend tho, thats why i asked

[versed kernel]

😭

[eager mesa]

what is happening in here?

AYO

[charred citrus]

Just close this thread, it's post season zero anyway.
Mika and paqt might go touch grass.

[languid shadow]

LOL?

[eager mesa]

maybe we change topics

[dull echo]

Idk if its doxing if its just calling something out

[wary flare]

Popcorn

[twilit gyro]

WHAT

HOLY PLOT

[dull echo]

Im making a call outpost on my twitter.com

https://tenor.com/view/eggman-announcement-speech-sonic-the-hedgehog-report-gif-16600754

[tidal light]

What about ban evading?

[dull echo]

It seems to be pretty common in here

Seems to slip through the fingers very often

[tidal light]

It is against Discord TOS

[dull echo]

Though is ban evasion really that bad if the grounds for the ban where shady?

Welp that was a productive talk Im gonna go sleep now

Its 4 am

[wicked geyser]

Me when I talk about myself in the third person because I can't accept that being a toxic person is not allowed

[silk thicket]

Just dont want to accidentally ban someone that doesnt deserve it

[vestal karma]

fanart for a popular show at the time when he was a lot younger, its not even weird

[silk thicket]

Anyway this is not on topic in the slightest

So I'll lock the post.

If you have any complains about people, bring them to mods, sr mods, etc.