Competitive stats of the day.

[thorny lava]

Since ranked is mostly restricted now scrims became the proving grounds of new innovations

And tbh the new crysta build is much more of an attempt to make things fun again while maintaining realistic strength than an actual optimal build

Item system just left burstcasters in the dirt completely.

Calling a region noob for innovating to this degree is wild tho. If shrike is a viable pick in ur scrims, you should never come over to talk shit

[ocean drum]

Bro he is joking, chill

I am a little surprised about the saros picks honestly. The meta doesn't favor him much and idk if his poke is good enough to pick him.
A little surprised sbout void as well but I can see why you'd go him, his stuns can shut down dives pretty well.

[minor mason]

Disagree, I think Saros is viable but comp dependent
Because there's more abyss now Saros got more of a buff now since the area is even more open for him, his only "weakness" that holds him back is the mana changes
He got hit HARD by it

[minor mason]

Might be just void mains that wanna make him work at all cost honestly, not 100% sure though
I don't think void is that good comp wise

[ocean drum]

I think he's pretty decent just cus his stun can shut down dives pretty hard. It is stupidly hard to hit against dive, but i could see that being pretty useful with a lot of shivs running around just to shut them down.

[ocean drum]

Honestly it feels like the places that are actually open for saros are a lot leas than before even with more abyss. Unless the circle goes full abyss(ik this is still pretty common) he's kinda out of luck imo.

[minor mason]

My problem with void is that Ur team will be handicapped
Like void himself will always struggle if KP is viable
So Ur forced to also go oath to peel void
And at that point what do u even go as 3rd? Its already really hard

[minor mason]

I personally don't play him anymore because I'm enjoying monkey alot more but pretty much everyone who played him before still plays him now and heard he's fine

[ocean drum]

That's fair. Thinking about it, I'd probably put jin for 3rd. There are prob some better options but he's who mainly came to mind.

Having alow characters in this game does tend to be pretty rough. Even when hudson is stronger his slower movement will make him struggle regardless.

[minor mason]

We don't really see jins in eu even tho we have a few players maining him
Is he any good on land or still just abyss shark and that's it?

I think void could maybe be viable if wukong is also meta because from a wukong pov void is absolute aids to play against probably top 3 counters

Yes a good wukong shouldn't have a big problem into him but still having a void makes wukong never be able to look for rmbs because u can just stun him while casts/about to hit

[ocean drum]

Imo he is pretty good on land too. Just a lot better over abyss ofc.
There are ofc better options over land but I think he is still good over land just a lot better ivwr abyss

[minor mason]

Interesting most of the Jin mains ether don't play him in scrims or I haven't really fought against them thanks

[ocean drum]

Tbf there is 100% better options than jin. So I can't really blame them

Jin still good but there are way better options

[thorny lava]

wasnt responding to him directly but the concept rather 💀, you dont have to read everything literally.

Comfort is the killer of innovation and without innovation well be playing the same boring ass meta for months

[ornate niche]

no

He does not suck

[thorny lava]

Ever since fatestrikes stunned, ulted and stunned me again i have trauma.

[azure pumice]

Just got to make big brain plays and abuse ur strengths.

hes not ez but he dosent suck for sure

[soft mulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1352000171889786931/1401671359339434044/image.png?ex=68911fad&is=688fce2d&hm=a71e7939b061223b065af1c04da738ab3f5e9a51be77ad2c797a88e8e26e61a6&

this is getting absurd now @theorycraftgames

bastard with a shield has dodged nerfs for too long

[tiny cosmos]

WTF where wukong

[brisk rune]

EU meta xd

[tiny cosmos]

WTF!

maybe chipsa was right shrike is playable

[ocean drum]

Oath op again?!

[ocean drum]

I honestly think when tetra comes out oath will feel less needed cua I'm really hoping she'll be another actual tank. I feel like oath only feels super strong cus he is the only true tank

[soft mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[weak flax]

i only briefly did oath but he feels like hes in one of his strongest states rn...

[ocean drum]

I thought he got weaker ngl. Maybe I just haven't seen enough oath

[serene hazel]

It's oath year my friends

Always has been

[weak flax]

his mobility is better now than it was before all the oath podracing nerfs

[ocean drum]

Wait actually? That's insane

[weak flax]

rocket high top boots extends the range of his dash combos by a shitton

on top of that, oath can guarantee grapple every game now

[ocean drum]

I don't got them yet so I haven't tried them. But they seem kinda op on a lot of hunters

[ocean drum]

When is grapple nerf bro...

[weak flax]

lmao

2 charges of it now

well i assume EU scrims play at 1star power level for all

so that doesnt apply

but eventually when lobbies are 2star, expect every grapple user like oath to be even more problematic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKO6hUO_yyg

heres my oath build but its geared towards solo queue

[ocean drum]

I wouldn't be surprised if most scrims stay at 1 star, cus some of the 2 and 3 star relics are actual bs

[weak flax]

i assume scrim players might run him different

Also big thing between EU and NA meta is that I hardly anyone in NA making use of glideboosting

when I watch EU, I see lots of ppl glideboost

I show oaths glideboost at 1:40 in this video

he has a rly strong one

[ocean drum]

I'm just waiting for more people to abuse that tech and everyone to be flying around the map

[weak flax]

Glideboost / Glideboosting is one of the newest and coolest tech the devs added to 1.0

[blissful aspen]

hoooly

[ocean drum]

Pretty sure it was guaranteed a bug. But I love it

[weak flax]

Wavedashing was originally a bug that made its way intentionally into future Smash titles. I hope the devs keep glideboosting as it gives every character the ability to have the freedom of mobility that the top-tiers (Jin / Wukong / Brall etc) has

[ocean drum]

It makes their mobility feel less stupid so I love it having actual movement on hudson is indeed nice, isn't even situational like the camp dash resets were.

[weak flax]

I love it since it requires the right inputs at the right timings (like wavedashing and L-cancelling), evens the playing field since it's available for all Hunters, and also it CAN be punished. Holding out glider is already punishable due to spiking and overheating mechanics

It just fits in perfectly

[simple dock]

not me, holding the 8.3% on my own

[ocean drum]

Your hand clearly slipped and you accidentally picked shrike

[candid warren]

Khyzaro is shrike goat don't @ me

[tiny cosmos]

HUH

traitor

[candid warren]

I have pledged no allegiance

[tiny cosmos]

pov u dont know ball

[solemn ocean]

Pyn slipping, he aint Shrike as much as Khyz is now

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-obi-wan-kenobi-you-have-done-that-yourself-ewan-mcgregor-revenge-of-the-sith-gif-23659868

[weak flax]

Also I think the meta will look very very different once they remove rocket high tops

nerf*

I hope it gets removed / reworked entirely though

[candid warren]

I originally thought it meant my dash animation would be faster but the distance would be the same. Oh how wrong I was

[weak flax]

even if it got nerfed to +10% dash speed, itwould still be the best choice amongst the boots for most characters

cuz u can convert that into glide sped

[simple dock]

at least it makes Shrike dash decent

[solemn ocean]

TBH I have been prefering Bloodlust boots on Shrike

Bloodlust boots, Ragesteel and Rabbit

[ocean drum]

Isn't it for every hit not dmg? Could work if you hit like every shot

[solemn ocean]

Its still good, and its also cause I am used to the distance on her Dash,if I go further I will probably miss

[ocean drum]

I could 100% see the rocket high tops fucking with muscle memory

[vagrant tiger]

always was

not my fault u have no hands

[solemn ocean]

I mean Pyn was remembered for playing Shrike

[vagrant tiger]

yea but he's no hotbiscuit is he

[solemn ocean]

He's a bigger name for shrike then hotbiscuit is :P

[tiny cosmos]

lil bro doesnt know anything 🥀

[vagrant tiger]

americans

so feeble

one day you will learn

[tiny cosmos]

which day

do u have like a date

[vagrant tiger]

some day

[tiny cosmos]

maybe u can get top half in ur next scrim

[vagrant tiger]

implying there is gonna be a next scrim

[tiny cosmos]

if there are no more scrims then hotbiscuit will never even have a chance to be better than me

🙁

[vagrant tiger]

pretty sure he could not scrim for 2 years and still clear you im afraid

[tiny cosmos]

yep surely

lmk when u finish top half in scrims

lmk when u win anything ^.^

[vagrant tiger]

likewise brother

[tiny cosmos]

u want a list or what

[vagrant tiger]

sure

[tiny cosmos]

it might take a while

[vagrant tiger]

you got it brodie

top 10 in a 600 player game

[tiny cosmos]

hotbiscuit not even top 10 shrike players

of the 12 people that play shrike

[vagrant tiger]

real and true

[tiny cosmos]

smartest thing uve ever said

[soft mulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1352000171889786931/1403480017542844498/image.png?ex=6897b41f&is=6896629f&hm=8cca01b107b7902e407ab136af00fbc0ed8f6cdea7e0c1637beae9f9a2d88302&

After this scrimset i thanked them later for the eva nerfs

can we talk about how this has been the case for almost 6 months now

same 4 characters down there

[serene hazel]

just play those problem solved!

[ocean drum]

That is just how comp will always be. They don't necessarily have kits that are beat for comp scenarios. Hudson could only really be good for comp with his insta deploy wires otherwise why even run him. And insta deploy wires ain't healthy

[soft mulch]

I mean, they could easily give jin dagger antiheal and cut his abyss potential down in return

my hottake is still if jin had antiheal in his kit hes viable in competitive

it doesnt buff him that much for ranked

[ocean drum]

I'd be for it. Just don't see it helping with his comp viability all that much

[vagrant tiger]

Melee having anti heal is deffo something most of them need

Remove jins dunk

And put anti heal on his q1

Or his rmb1

[ocean imp]

hudson shrike jin will always be unplayable in scrims

[soft mulch]

shrike was very good on last patch of open-beta

hudson was good on FIRST patch of open-beta, so was jin

[ocean imp]

but they were just omega overtuned

[ocean drum]

I don't think she was bad but "very good" feel like an exaggeration

[soft mulch]

i got top3 in every tournament i played her in

double-tech rmb max was VERY good

[ocean drum]

The kits just aren't good for comp environments. They either overtuned as shit in just bad in comp

[ocean drum]

Hm, maybe I'm wrong

[ocean imp]

maybe you would have got top 1 if you played myth

[soft mulch]

nah

[ocean drum]

Ur team wasn't playing oath + myth + kp how win

[vagrant tiger]

Fluffy is right though

Those 3 hunters have kits that don't really function in scrim lobbies

Ironically shiv has a similar issue

And the fact she is as op as she has in scrims shows how broken she is

But TBF I think shrike is very playable in this patch, esp if shiv gets nerfed

[ocean drum]

I think shrike is fine personally, but the dive meta just really hates her

[tiny cosmos]

wukong finally at 50% in eu

[tiny cosmos]

heyyy thats mine

gib it back

[soft mulch]

have u genuinely tried to play her against wukong / tetra / oath bro

its just not worth it, myth can equally two-shot

[tiny cosmos]

wukong shrike is the worst matchup in the whole game

[vagrant tiger]

Not tetra but other 2 yea

[soft mulch]

what does shrike do

[tiny cosmos]

in 1v1 and 3v3

[soft mulch]

when tetra puts up wall?

btw

[vagrant tiger]

I agree myth is better but she's no where near as bad as the others imo

Yea I haven't played any real games since tetra so

[soft mulch]

shrike doesnt even 2 tap anymore

[vagrant tiger]

I can't really argue with that

[soft mulch]

u need like 3-4

starting day 2

[solemn ocean]

People just aren't used to having to actually play Myth

[ocean imp]

what

[soft mulch]

THIS IS THE REALEST THING UVE EVER SAID

HAHAHA

ITS SO TRUE

myth was the most boosted character in the game for far too long

[vagrant tiger]

I don't even understand what this is meant to show ngl

[soft mulch]

ive been saying this since february

now that u have to play against dive + cant spam arrow rain people dont touch her

[solemn ocean]

I mean, it's been trute for a while, none of the peeps playing myth in scrims were actually doing anything good with her

[tiny cosmos]

does shrike auto or bird bomb one shot the wals

[soft mulch]

dont think so

[tiny cosmos]

naurrrrr

[soft mulch]

birdbomb might

[vagrant tiger]

Bomb should no?

[soft mulch]

yea

probably

[tiny cosmos]

i would think so

[vagrant tiger]

Since it's destructive dmg

[ocean imp]

pretty sure lmb does as well

[tiny cosmos]

bird bomb has like the highest destructive dmg in the whole game almost

[solemn ocean]

I dont either, its a very weird clip to say "Shirke bad" in

[tiny cosmos]

tetra matchup not that bad then lowkey

idk i havent played since she came out

[vagrant tiger]

Like she loses in a 1v2 Vs 2 divers with back against the wall and a terrible build

[tiny cosmos]

but its not worse than wukong shiv

[vagrant tiger]

Like what do you expect

[solemn ocean]

I believe her ult kills and overpenetrates the walls, Cause carbines does

[vagrant tiger]

Yea worst matchups for shrike are shiv wukong and joule

And oath

[solemn ocean]

I still do not understand why every shrike is saying longclaw is a must have on her

[tiny cosmos]

ya i mean brall is not good either

[vagrant tiger]

Brall matchup is honestly fine

If you max shift

And have airblast

[tiny cosmos]

eww !!

[vagrant tiger]

It's very playable

[solemn ocean]

TBF we are all so used to fighting Brall that is easier then expected

[vagrant tiger]

I mean if you aren't maxing shift in this meta you are actually trolling to such an insane degree

[vagrant tiger]

The reason is that it allows you more distance to react and outplay someone diving you

It also throws people off mentally

Since they are used to old range

[tiny cosmos]

nop im different

noob

[solemn ocean]

I mean, I get the idea, but I dont think its a must have, but that's jsut me

[tiny cosmos]

i reset my shift by killing someoen

[solemn ocean]

That's why I run Ragesteel

[vagrant tiger]

If you play in dives meta

[tiny cosmos]

buff urself to throw off enemy or nerf urself to throw off enemy

[vagrant tiger]

Shift max is how you survive in this patch

[tiny cosmos]

doesnt help wukong or shiv matchup

so its useless

[vagrant tiger]

It helps more than rmb max that's for sure

[soft mulch]

picking shrike to survive

xddd

[vagrant tiger]

Shiv matchup doesn't help much

But wukong it's nice

[tiny cosmos]

nope

[soft mulch]

u just summed up why shes dogshit no

[vagrant tiger]

And it helps a ton Vs brall

[soft mulch]

if ur gameplan on shrike is run away

ur cooked in competitive

which is what this channel is for

[vagrant tiger]

That's not what survive means though

[soft mulch]

shrike was always dogshit when people shift maxed

she became good in end of open beta when everyone tried pyns rmb max

me and ash were stomping lobbies

now that double-tech is dead shes dogshit again

[tiny cosmos]

i think theres more merit to it these days since bird bomb doesnt work in abyss but ill alwasy max rmb out of preference

[soft mulch]

the closest thing to viable on shrike is the grapple clipfarm combo imo

mark -> ult -> grapple

[tiny cosmos]

grapple shift net in abyss is checkmate too

[vagrant tiger]

I legit think most people just play shrike wrong

[soft mulch]

but even that doesnt 2tap btw

[vagrant tiger]

You need such discipline to play her

That no one has really

[soft mulch]

https://www.twitch.tv/luca753/clip/SlickOriginalBunnyJKanStyle-0gKscjSmntWha3r5

to be fair

[tiny cosmos]

ikwym but if ur playing too safe then u r just better off picking a different character

[soft mulch]

the ghost here has a stacked essence reaver and legendary armor

so he prob does get 2tapped without that

[vagrant tiger]

Yea I don't disagree

Overall you shouldn't pick her really

But every single shrike I see plays her like a moron

[tiny cosmos]

i think she had a palce in the meta in open beta

[vagrant tiger]

Outside of the giat

Imo if you ever shift in

You need to be .mp3ed

You should almost never shift in

[tiny cosmos]

ya most of the time

[vagrant tiger]

Maybe end of open beta

[tiny cosmos]

when i watch ppl play her n then shift in for fun n then dont get punished bc enemy is bad

[vagrant tiger]

But this was also by far the weakest level of play there has been since open beta

And probs the worst game state aswell

[soft mulch]

people in this game are terrible at synergizing in fights

they all seem to be personal highlight onetricks

i could really notice that when the pumpers started playing again, the level on team-synergy is just so much healthier @vagrant tiger

even if yall didnt do well in ur scrimsets, u play eachothers resurrects instantly and chain CC / time antiheals

[ocean imp]

lmao

[soft mulch]

nobody else does that

[vagrant tiger]

Yea I mean for taking 5 months break

[soft mulch]

theyre all braindead ooga booga mode

[vagrant tiger]

I noticed that the level of play basically hasn't changed

But teamplay was always our strength since we have been playing together for so long now in so many different games

It's just that teamplay is so much less relevant now

If the game was quads in 99% sure we'd still be the top team

Or at least top 3

But alas

We live in a society

[soft mulch]

yea, individually people got much better, but only few teams improved as a team

i also hate the fixation everyone has with turbo chasing last alives and then griefing their own game for it

today a certain team (iykyk) just 3man dashes to stop our resurrect beacon, then gets third partied instantly and wiped

atleast they stopped our beacon i guess 🥰

mutually assured destruction

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1352000171889786931/1403119559845740664/image.png?ex=68970d2b&is=6895bbab&hm=07976a1cf0b6406dd7bc7e041ee18ec5d800034c85d81c1d4ecb3bd4bea68e4c&

heres yesterdays pickrates btw, forgot to post

[tiny cosmos]

nyooo wukong so low again

[soft mulch]

yea but look today

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1352000171889786931/1403480017542844498/image.png?ex=6897b41f&is=6896629f&hm=8cca01b107b7902e407ab136af00fbc0ed8f6cdea7e0c1637beae9f9a2d88302&

grapple -> slam meta gg

[tiny cosmos]

yayay wukong

is carbine bug fixed

[solemn ocean]

ye

[vagrant tiger]

The fact oath is 22%

Shows how little people understand the meta in this game

[soft mulch]

u think it should be higher or lower?

[vagrant tiger]

Should be 100%

[soft mulch]

lmao

i mean ur not wrong

but people dont have fun playing him or are too bad at him

[vagrant tiger]

There's no universe you are not playing oath

If you are trying to win

Yea true

People wanna play other shit

[soft mulch]

i personally cba to play him + i would be ass at him cus its just not my playstyle

my teammate blink is good on oath but wukong is just 10x stronger so we run it

[vagrant tiger]

I mean ideally u run both

Oath shiv wukong

Is best comp imi

Imo

[soft mulch]

we ran tetra-wukong-kingpin today got 4th

wouldve got 1st if we didnt go deadlast last 2 games

CC in this game is so broken its underrated af

[vagrant tiger]

Yea

If you know how to chain it

Like when we played we trying to do wukong rmb into bird bomb

Into oath engage

Cuz wukong rmb is so fucking broken to enable an all in

Like that shit is unplayble

[soft mulch]

tetra is a good fit for competitive, might be overtuned but her kit is very healthy for the game

first new chracter im genuinely happy about

[vagrant tiger]

Yea

She's just a bit boring imo

I'm just a bit jaded because I assumed it would be a tank

[hollow badge]

Same

Got a bulky dps instead

[vagrant tiger]

Not even bulky really

She's pretty glass cannon

Main thing they need to do is remove her knock back immunity during her rmb

[hollow badge]

Tbh havent touched the game like at all. Saw clips of her just living by shield spam so assumed she was atleast a little hard to kill

Im here to ragebait anyways 🙂

[vagrant tiger]

My goat

[hollow badge]

Does hubby have any place in comp rn or is he still too doo doo ass?

[ocean drum]

I woukd assume birdbomb does. It insta destroys hudson wires so I would assume

[hollow badge]

To be fair its hudson so it might be bugged

[weak flax]

wow wukong went from 8% to 47%. was there a perception or meta change in EU?

[soft mulch]

I honestly couldnt answer this, ive always thought hes a top3 character

i guess people temporarily thought he wasnt worth picking after the hotfix nerfs

[vagrant tiger]

He was always picked in EU it's just people testing shit

[weak flax]

Right I thought so too so I ws surprised he was so low

[vagrant tiger]

If there was a tourney he would have a high pick rste

[soft mulch]

Our scrims are always varied tbf

Myth today had 2.8%

[vagrant tiger]

I also think alot of the top wukongs don't play scrims anymore

[weak flax]

oh I guess the screenshots that I saw here always had wukong low

[vagrant tiger]

Aka the goat blixtmen

[soft mulch]

i swear myth is still top5 but people arent used to having to actually tryhard on her

[vagrant tiger]

Nah she's not too 5

Top5

But she is the best rdos

Rdps

For sure

[soft mulch]

have u seen her ult oneshot combo?

u prep harmonic proc

[vagrant tiger]

Yea

It's cancer haha

[soft mulch]

then do the double-shot

u cant tell me shes bad

and her ult gos through tetra pillars

like it does with trees

[vagrant tiger]

I didn't say she's bad

I'm just saying the meta doesn't favour her imi

If it was quads

She would be close to 100% pickrste again

[weak flax]

since i have u guys here, how we all feeling about tetra rn in both ranked env and scrim env?

[vagrant tiger]

Imo

Tetra broken in ranked

Strong in scrims but overrated

[ocean imp]

how does her passive work

[vagrant tiger]

Since she is pretty easy to play people are close to skill ceiling on her and people haven't figured out how to play against her yet

That's my perception

[soft mulch]

Healthy design for competitive, too overtuned tho imo, over time as people master her combos she will be very oppresive, especially since she has a 100-0 permastun combo if timed right

[ocean imp]

does it only see ppl if they move

[soft mulch]

if enemies are in bush and are moving / scanning they are revelead

[ocean drum]

If you get the god roll and get a billion cdr maybe. Just spam ults. But like why tf would u ever want to pick him unless you're a one trick

[soft mulch]

so if they are standing still but sneaking / scanning

u can see them

[vagrant tiger]

The main value Hudson has is being able to ult souls imi

Imo

But souls are so dog shit now

He's even worse

[ocean imp]

this is pretty op for scrims then no?

[soft mulch]

wtf

[ocean imp]

if ppl are not aware

• infinite abyss

[soft mulch]

yea it is

i was omega abusing it

the main reason i played shrike was the vision manipulation with bird

info gathering

now tetra fills that role for me

[vagrant tiger]

Yea I wish shrike had more scouting value

That should be her passive ngl

And buff the e

[soft mulch]

shrike hawk should proc ability hit passives

like burning palm etc

would be cool

[vagrant tiger]

Make It apply mark again

That patch was funny as fuck

[hollow badge]

Kinda wish they made characters have other cool stuff besides another flavor of dmg or "1vX"

[vagrant tiger]

I remember biscuit eing someone and then 1 shotting then

[ocean drum]

His only value rn ngl. I'm a slow ass reader I apologize for late replies

[vagrant tiger]

Wrong you will enjoy the 1v3 gameplay

[vagrant tiger]

I think is he strong in very very situational choke points

But yea he is way too situational to run in a real environment

[hollow badge]

So true Im sorry theory craft studios. 🥺 I will eat my 1vX slop in peace now

Even though my character was never given tools to 1vX (infact they where taken away)

[ocean drum]

He doesn't feel that way too me anymore. Cus his wires are so shit now. You can barely trap people and people can kinda just go into you for free even with a wire down. And with that his dmg is pretty mid now when his dmg is his whole identity, it's a little silly.

[vagrant tiger]

Like why does it take like 10sec to get fully spooled

Like it's insane

[hollow badge]

Weird they didnt let rmb scale with ability power or proc ability effects. But I guess that would have been too cool

I think they hate hudson because he showcases flaws in the games design

[ocean drum]

Taken from shiv it might've been kinda broken, especially with his fast fire rate. Hudson prob still wouldn't have been too strong eoth it, just better

[ocean drum]

Nah, hudson is perfectly designed he has no flaws. This isn't copium trust

[hollow badge]

But eh I should maybe stop trying to speak about issues in this game. Feels its wasted effort at this point

Funniest thing would be for EVERYONE who dislikes the 1.0 to just leave and let the games biggest supporters to fight amongts themselves

[ocean drum]

It indeed is wasted effort, but i just really like the game and really like hudson so I want both to get better(ngl i prob would've quit in feb if not for hudson lol)

[hollow badge]

Im kinda sick and tired of this game. I liked it at one point. My friends are making fun of me for always talking about it 🥲

[ocean drum]

Fuck your friends bro. Non viver friends, what are you doing

[hollow badge]

They where smarter then me. Heard its EX riot devs and they smelled blood in the water instantly and refused to touch the game 😅

[candid warren]

Real talk what the fuck kind of friends laugh at another for what they enjoy??

[ocean drum]

I just don't really have any other game i enjoy too much. And even the ones i do enjoy i still enjoy sv a lot more. Even after 1.0. I genuinely like a lot of 1.0, even if i do strongly believe it could've been better so much better.

[hollow badge]

They dont laugh at me like that. "Bro all you do is talk about that game. Its hurting you. Come play helldivers 2 with us"

Its more of a teasing kind of thing

[candid warren]

okay that's more reasonable

[hollow badge]

While over at the netherlands my friend told me to stop ragebaiting on supervive discord and come makeout with her

[simple dock]

not anymore

[simple dock]

yeah sure

[vagrant tiger]

its true

idk about you

i dont think i've ever really seen you play much

[soft mulch]

hes good mechanically

very good even

[vagrant tiger]

i dont doubt it

[simple dock]

there's a reason most ppl agreed i was the best Shrike in EU

[vagrant tiger]

yea i mean once HB left i guess there was a hole to fill right

[soft mulch]

shrike only counters eva really no?

who else is she actually heavily favored against?

[vagrant tiger]

favoured against hudson and myth

ghost aswell probably

[simple dock]

myth ?

it's 50/50

[vagrant tiger]

most ranged matchup she wins

[soft mulch]

actually, she fucks crysta / celeste / ghost tbf

[vagrant tiger]

i mean she wins pretty much every ranged matchup

shrikes 1v1 is pretty decent all round

1v1 never her issue

[ocean drum]

I'd say most of her 1v1s are heavily terrain decided

[vagrant tiger]

yea 100%

[simple dock]

which is funny because i find Shrike stronger in Arena where there's more walls

[vagrant tiger]

mostly because shrike gets omega fucked by 3rd parties

harder than most

shrikes biggest issue is always that she has no utlity

in terms of pure ranged DPS she is the best still and pretty much always has been

its just she does nothing for ur team

and she also is the worst anchor in the game

[ocean drum]

I feel like it might be cus no 3rd partying and not really having to make rotations. Those are the reason i at least would see her being stronger in arena.

[minor mason]

Was the only one playing him for like 2 scrim blocks and then it surged yesterday idk lmao

[thin citrus]

its probably because people are learning to play him more and are starting to understand how the kit works in competitive

i would assume competitve players are those who played before the 1.0 release and thus wouldnt have a lot of time to play wukong and decided to stick to what they knew rather than learning a new kit

now that theres more time on the character, more people are taking him into competitive

[vagrant tiger]

It's just more people found him less fun since the nerfs I think

[hushed vortex]

It literally just depends on the teams that are playing

more teams that generally otp wukong played yesterday than the day before when he was lower %

I don't think it's really that deep these pickrates barely mean anything considering they're just on a daily basis

I should probably add a way to make it per patch, would probably be more interesting that way

[minor mason]

It's not about not wanting to learn a champ and sticking to those who they can already pilot
When wukong got released and on his 1dt block he was easily most popular hunter being played only because he had the hype of a new hunter and ppl wanted to limit test him see if he works
Then there was a decrease in wukong players for whatever reasons and now we're at a state where ppl acknowledge that wukong is indeed very viable

[cyan thicket]

im a bit of a dumbass, these sets, is that ranked, completely, or in a specific rank or in a scrim

[soft mulch]

these are the pickrates for the EU scrims, a custom game series where 12 teams play 6 matches, we have them every week from thursday-sunday.

these teams consist mostly of legend-grandmaster players aka the games highest ranks, i post the pickrates here to serve as a meta reflection

[cyan thicket]

i see, that's very interesting

[cyan thicket]

granted, i am not that one of these ranks at the moment, but i am slightly curious to join if i am able to climb up there,

wanted to ask at what time this takes place? this is also because last interesting thing i saw ended up being hosted at 3 AM my time

[minor mason]

8pm central European time lasting 2 and a half hours

[soft mulch]

ill send a detailed response later, but to signup you need a premade team of 3 people, playing scrims now and then ill get back to u

if ur interested in what the gameplay loop looks like, we have a great caster, he also answers any of ur questions

https://www.twitch.tv/synthdnb @cyan thicket

[soft mulch]

9 EU scrims teams from open-beta have fully quit the game so far 🔥

thanks TC

hows it looking on NA?

i dont think we get another 12 team scrimlobby in the future anymore gg

[ocean drum]

Afaik we don't even get scrims anymore

The check in for yesterday literally only had 3 teams

[soft mulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1352000171889786931/1403844304719581364/image.png?ex=68990764&is=6897b5e4&hm=07291335e4114bd0516bfb7aba4a105dfb217b59453c7204f19edcdc6efccea4&

[ocean drum]

Ngl not enough oaths

[soft mulch]

true

[solemn ocean]

Sorry

0 Beebo's

that's insane lol

[ocean drum]

Eu is always insane.
Beebo s imho just cus if ice zeep.

[zinc knot]

no more scrims na until major meta shift or new charater

also these were the scroes for na

[ocean drum]

Meta is indeed dogshit rn. Go back to myth 3 tap, was better than this shit.

[tiny cosmos]

how is tetra 25.1 and bishop 25.0

how dat work

[stark seal]

Unironically, I would rather get 2 tapped by myth ult than dunked by brall, or wukong any day of the week. I'm sorry my character can't insta spike nor evade the four dashes in your kit.

[hushed vortex]

minor mistake in sheet

this is fixed now

[tiny cosmos]

yay

[ocean drum]

That .1 meant so much didn't it

[soft mulch]

even better thing about this is, if the meta was stuff like myth / shrike etc, u can run airblast / stasis

wukong slam doesnt get countered by anything really

ig stasis kinda but like 60 sec cd for a 5sec cd spell

[stark seal]

At best that's reactive if he's in LOS or you're predicting the wukong slam. my biggest issue is that these melee characters have too many tools to close the gap and then still having gas to escape if their initial dive didn't go well.

[soft mulch]

characters that force you to react to what they do just arent healthy imo

a wukong is always dictating the fights and its on him to mess up, less on you to outplay him

[ocean drum]

I do agree. I don't think it is healthy to have characters you basically can't do snything against until they fuck up. Wuking is a lesser offender of that honestly.

The main 2 that come to mind are beebo and shiv for me. Shiv got buffed in a way thay she is now like that, I can't dodge her shots anymore :(. And beebo's kit was literally designed to be like that.

[soft mulch]

Its also on them not balancing relics

vive infusor shouldve been clapped the day the first person unlocked it on 2 stars

if vive infusor was banned on shiv, she would be much more balanced

they gotta atleast remove the healing from her passive if theyre gonna let her run it

[stark seal]

It's actually interesting how many characters got shafted by the relic changes. Squid should imo be heavily nerfed in cooldown and certain characters just need a relic that works for them like myth or saros

[ocean drum]

I still do not know why shiv and brall have the hok + their passives. Would make way more sense to have their passives be their health on knocks and just leave it like that.

[soft mulch]

the irony of it all is that the healing-stat extension items are only really decent on eva (duality for example)

and because of the addition of these items they felt the need to nerf the character

id rather they remove duality from the game and revert the eva nerfs

[ocean drum]

They unnerfed so much. And I don't get why. It was a terrible idea. Vive infuser used to have a cd on it's hewk, sunweaver used to have a cd, idol used to be 2.5%, like wtf were they smoking

[soft mulch]

The 3 biggest nerf candidates are def vive infusor, grappling hook and idol / songbow

Idol 5% CDR per stack -> 4%

grabby the squid no longer roots, instead 99% slows (dashable) + CDR 15 -> 20

songbow 1 / 1.5sec CDR -> 0.75 / 1.25

game is fixed gg

[ocean drum]

4 still way too high honestly.

[soft mulch]

i think 4 is fine ngl

the only reason people run this is for specific stunlock niche builds

40% cdr instead of 50% makes a big difference

[ocean drum]

It's strong enough as a mobility tool, imo it shouldn't effect enemies at all if hit by it and it ahoukd be primarily for movement

[soft mulch]

atp u might aswell run the 34% CDR legendary (assuming u have it on 3star)

since u can cast everything

[ocean drum]

I honestly thought 2.5 was perfect and kinda wish they kept it that way. If they wanted to buff the cd reduction it gave 3 or 3.5 would've been better imo

[soft mulch]

Vive infusor healing lvl 2 15% missing hp -> 7.5% max hp (gos from missing hp -> max hp and stays 7.5%)

boom

get me on the balance team

people are sleeping on paladins primer btw

600HP shield on a 20sec CD is pretty strong

in competitive (which this thread here is about) its only lvl 1 obviously so its not worth

crazy how the value triples with stars

[ocean drum]

Depends on comp imo. Some comps it's just useless others it makes a huge difference

[soft mulch]

i run grapple paladins on tetra and i just cant die

[ocean drum]

Are yall always gonna be on 1 star? Cus you can change it right

[soft mulch]

in scrims its cdr - grapple tho

[soft mulch]

it becomes 2star in 9 days

afaik

ghost will be so oppresive 😭 😭 if u know u know....

[ocean drum]

Oh ight. Kinda wish they did that to the base game tbh

[soft mulch]

ur cooking btw

UR COOKING SO HARD

this wouldve fixed the armory system

[ocean drum]

I've said that same thing at least 5 times now

[soft mulch]

it would also fix the balance

cus clear lvl 1 / lvl 2 / lvl 3 outliers would be found

[ocean drum]

Would've been super interesting too imo. Like guves you reasons to come back that aren't just like huge patches. Cus over time you'll be theorizing different builds as the season goes on. I love to imagine cus it sounds awesome but is what it is

[soft mulch]

the game would be so perfect if everything was locked to level 1 and level 2 only unlocks later, but u can still find level 2 / 3 stuff in vaults

vaults in scrims have actuall value its funny

we found a lvl 2 grappling and a lvl 2 songbow in there

feels much healthier for the game to have these items tied to only a few per game

[ocean drum]

"Balancing the star levels" my ass lol

Sounds like a bug ngl

[soft mulch]

its intended

the vaults have gear based on the average armory of the lobby

and since scrims players play allot, they always have tier 2s, ive even seen tier 3 rabbit paws

one day somebody will find a tier3 grapple and the lobby will become full meme 😭

[ocean drum]

Their armory should technically be 1 star tho due to the game locking them to 1 star.

[soft mulch]

yea its a oversight by them for sure, but i like it this way

[ocean drum]

I'm fine with it being kept just cus vaults are kinda ass. Not much of an issue

[solemn ocean]

I mean, TBF I dont think they thought people where going to lock everything to 1 star instead of 3 star much

[soft mulch]

our options are 1: use everyones personal armory (heavy unfair advantages) or 2. lock everything to 1 star

[solemn ocean]

Ah, okay, then its the star thing that is bugged, cause I think we were told they would be locked to higher stars, but that's something they can definitely adjust in the future.

[simple dock]

can't wait to see the competitive stats of day being 0% for every hunter in 2 weeks

[hollow badge]

Impecable

[hushed vortex]

2 weeks ?

Pretty sure we won't get enough signups this upcoming week (~6 teams quit this week)

[ocean drum]

I wouldn't be surprised if scrims slowly recover with new teams.

[hushed vortex]

this will take like, months

[ocean drum]

Probably. Comp gonna be dead for a while i would assume

[soft mulch]

we can only hope, but its hard to get into

any new team will get completely decimated in their first scrimsets, it requires a certain dedication

[hushed vortex]

yep

We've had some new teams that play like 1-2 scrims and just never play again

[ocean drum]

It's hard to get into without being demotivated fast. Not really hard to necessarily join

It sucks cus it isn't really avoidable without enough people to make lower and higher lobbies.

[solemn ocean]

Everyone's gotta suck at some point

[vagrant tiger]

That's problem when ranked is so scuffed

Normally the natural progression is spamming ranked into scrims

Now you can't because once u hit masters u gotta split

[hushed vortex]

yep, we already prepared for this in advance thinking we would get 2 lobbies and now we can barely fill 1 😭

[ocean drum]

It is what it is 🫡

[lime fulcrum]

Kinda insane how eu was close to 2 lobbies with 1k ccu and now its barely having one

[hushed vortex]

I mean we were only close on I think 1 day so far in EU since 1.0

think we had 17 or 18 signups

which isn't really even close lol

[lime fulcrum]

Nah i heard we had 1 day with like 23 signups

[hushed vortex]

ye in beta

was crazy

[lime fulcrum]

Ah didnt see post 1.0

[hushed vortex]

I mean beta was overall better in comp so we'll just have to see ig

[lime fulcrum]

Yeah game is just cooked

What a surprise that people didnt enjoy dunk fiesta

[soft mulch]

wukong moment

[vagrant tiger]

also is a little bit of fake stat though

since loads of people coming back warming up for 1.0

if there was no 1.0 down the line scrim lobbies would probably be dead aswell

[pseudo axle]

Was a big mistake to force abyss play in combination with current dunking/spiking that much with 1.0. I guess they thought that the "abyss-x-asis-combat-spiking" is the selling point of the game cause no other game has similiar mechanics. In fact veterans are just annoyed by dunking one shots all over the place so that you often cant play the game towards the end zone anymore. And beginners just avoiding abyss fight entirely because the game still lacks to explain how abyss fighting even works. In the tutorial you are only being teached "dont get hit while gliding over abyss!". The sooner they realise that they shouldnt force abyss fights that much (if they dont intend to change dunking) the better for the game, because it isnt the thrilling and exciting mechanic

[ocean drum]

I get wukong is a problem, but is he really the thing causing it? I woukd assume it'd be other stuff for the most part

[ocean drum]

Istg there was a wukong on every team. At least last 2 games I didn't catch any others.

[soft mulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1352000171889786931/1404200287853482144/image.png?ex=689a52ed&is=6899016d&hm=1940a4d5fbf4062c13a1fc76427c9fbfbf2611e7b98b1872840546d438a5191c&

[meager fern]

pls buff oath unplayable

[serene hazel]

So true

It's oath year so why oath isn't at the top?!

[meager fern]

im one of the 2 oath players

pls buff

[thin citrus]

Wukong is a symptom, he’s able to capitalize on the current problems more and safer than most other characters

[woven swift]

Wukong is tuned completely wrong

His RMB is completely overloaded to the moon and back, with a massive shield, ridiculous hitbox/range/damage/etc while his Q, while it can have a lot of damage, is almost never used and has a pretty long cool down

[ocean drum]

I only ever see his q used to keep him afloat in the abyss when in a tought spot. Afaik that is all it's good for

[woven swift]

Ye Q not E

Typo

Like yeah, it has a shit ton of damage but 90% of the time just the slam is a death sentence

[ocean drum]

They're used interchangeably honestly. Some older players still use e while most of the newer players use q. When I started playing the keybind was q so I've just been using that

[woven swift]

Also would like all dunks, especially Jin's to make you plummet in the abyss if missed, like Tetra's

[ocean drum]

Would be nice. Then for jin specifically imo his lmb impulse should just stop working for a little bit afterwards. I also think he shouldn't be able to hold it for as long but whatever.

[lime fulcrum]

Not really

We reached that point way before any rumors about 1.0

I still think scrimming rn is bad idea given how bad game state but i dont even have a team anymore so what do i care

[ocean imp]

I think you are missing the point

he says scrims would have been dead a long time ago if there wasnt hope for the games survival at 1.0

[lime fulcrum]

Thats a given

But that hope is kinda crushed rn and i dont see people giving a 3rd chance to this game

[soft mulch]

https://www.reddit.com/r/supervive/comments/1mokb7w/the_official_patch_101_tierlist/

NEW TIERLIST

[serene hazel]

I like that oath is consistent

I can even predict future with that

So fun

[soft mulch]

they flaming the fuck outta me in the comments

i still find it strange how theres a divide between comp and ranked now

any tierlist made for tier-1 relics in the future just kinda isnt postable since it doesnt apply to 90% of the people

[serene hazel]

Tbh I would never touch reddit it's worse than here sometimes

[serene hazel]

Dw in 3 months it will be significant!

Tbh when I think about it how big is the time window between opening other tier for weapons?

If it's like 4 weeks break then there's almost nothing that's for 3 tier no

[hushed vortex]

people just legit can't read

I read through all the comments

the only people complaining are the people that legit only look at the picture and then just don't read

although I think you should put some relation to "COMPETITIVE" or something in the title since it is a tiny bit misleading

[soft mulch]

yea i should but the vc i was in gaslit me into this title lmao

in the past it wasnt needed cus our tierlists in open-beta were objectively accurate

now theres a big divide between ranked and comp

[hushed vortex]

yep

[ocean drum]

That one guy with the "official tier list" complaint comment do got a point tho ngl

[soft mulch]

yea he does

but that wasnt my intended title 😭 😭

@pine bolt i blame you

i was gonna name it "The Patch 1.01 Competitive tierlist"

[pine bolt]

I had no part in this dont tag me monkey

[soft mulch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/451481250973220864/1140361081685020693/--1.gif

[tiny cosmos]

EU KNOWS BALL

[narrow crag]

is myth oath carbine that oppressive?

[tiny cosmos]

dive meta

[narrow crag]

why are the pickrates for kiters insane then

[tiny cosmos]

pickrate where

[woven swift]

Shiv and Ghost aren't really kiters

They go melee mode and just out heal your damage

[tiny cosmos]

im pretty sure the devs said these stats are omega wrong or at least mostly unreliable

[woven swift]

Wouldn't expect anything else from them

Unlucky then

https://supervive-stats.com/

Same shit?

[tiny cosmos]

i think so

in ranked the best champs are just the ones that can run away easier

at least in high elo

[narrow crag]

huh shrike is top 10 top 5 rate?

[soft mulch]

yea the stats on these sites are very unreliable

supervivestats actually has a decent algorithm tho

its still faulty but much better than opgg

[woven swift]

Wtf does algorithm have to do with stats

You either have the actual stats or not

[soft mulch]

well OPgg shows data thats just so faulty, while supervive stats sticks to pickrate -> winrate

thats what i meant

if u look at the list its insanely accurate

[woven swift]

How do I know if it's accurate or not

[soft mulch]

idk bro gut feeling i guess

[woven swift]

I suppose

[soft mulch]

it was told to me in a dream

👍

[narrow crag]

why does brawl still have insane wr i thought he was dead

or nerfed at least

[soft mulch]

not at all

[woven swift]

[soft mulch]

hes incredibly strong in ranked

even in competitive hes pretty good

[narrow crag]

because hes really good at not dying?

[woven swift]

You have a hunter that does 100 things compared to a hunter that does 10. You remove 50 of his things

He still does more than the other hunters

[soft mulch]

Good mobility, good survivability, can run, can abyss slam

btw hudson is overperforming in ranked ❤️

[ocean drum]

This is just top 100 no?

[soft mulch]

0.04% winrate 🥶

[soft mulch]

yes

[woven swift]

Eva 0.04% winrate, seems accurate to me

[ocean drum]

Ngl the "higher games" section op.gg has has always felt good to me.

[narrow crag]

where do you find this btw

[soft mulch]

https://supervive-stats.com/meta

This website is honestly the best for anything supervive related

[woven swift]

Saros 0.17%, guess that's sprocaine lifting his winrate up

[soft mulch]

the developer is a super nice guy aswell

[woven swift]

Carbine 0.87% I call bs though

[narrow crag]

my main is at the bottom lol

myth

[soft mulch]

she feels terrible to play in soloque ngl

tried her today

[narrow crag]

why is crysta so high

[soft mulch]

dead to shiv -> dead to tetra (cant walldash cus burning palm ha ha.....)

-> dead to wukong slam

geegee

[ocean drum]

Ultimate diadem

[narrow crag]

i never felt like she was that good

[soft mulch]

crysta is strong af with high tier relics

[ocean drum]

This is literally the only reason. She can ul legit 5 times 1 fight

[soft mulch]

perma ultimate

[narrow crag]

i play a bit of felix now

felix is just all around solid

stomps noobs

[soft mulch]

myth just feels like u gotta lock is much harder than u have to on all other characters

[narrow crag]

too bad i donf have resonator

[soft mulch]

which im happy about dont get me wrong, her gameplay was insanely boosted in the past

[narrow crag]

yeah shes like insanely hard

[ocean drum]

He's just twnky as fuck. Feels more tanky than oath sometimes now

[soft mulch]

but it just doesnt feel worth it for ranked

[woven swift]

So when are we going to do something about Shiv having a winrate 8 times higher than the median hunter, 318 times higher than the worst

[soft mulch]

shes also so team oriented

i would only touch her if im queing with friends

[narrow crag]

i always soloq lol

[soft mulch]

Now with 1.0, u gotta decide to either go damage OR cooldown reduction

[narrow crag]

i checked patchnotes and she never got nerfed that hard except for 10% green damage nerf?

[soft mulch]

myth was only good because she could run BOTH at the same time in open beta

now it feels like im either on omega cooldowns, or i deal no damage

[ocean drum]

A "hard" character with a high win rate? That's fine and totally makes sense

[narrow crag]

also why do primary atks not scale with level

that had always confused me

[woven swift]

Harder characters are supposed to have lower winrates

Ah yeah that's what you mean

Sorry am tired

[soft mulch]

All damage in this game is ability power based, after 1.0 every character gets 15 (?) AP per level and has a base AP value

[narrow crag]

higher ceiling

[soft mulch]

so the higher level u are, the more damage u deal cus of AP

[narrow crag]

whats ap

[soft mulch]

Ability Power

[woven swift]

Ability power, the number at the bottom right of your sceeen

[narrow crag]

ability power affects primary attacks?

[woven swift]

One of them at least

It's what we talked about in the how to nerf shrike thread

[ocean drum]

Bro doesn't understand my sarcasm

[woven swift]

It mostly got replaced by ability and attack amp

[narrow crag]

what does 25% mean

[woven swift]

Which means early game champs are significantly better than late game champs

[soft mulch]

the blue value is the percentage of AP scaling

so if u have 100 AP, it does 25 bonus damage, up to 100

[woven swift]

Because base damage now scales a lot harder

[narrow crag]

also lemme test something

[soft mulch]

im just not a fan of everyone having equal ability power always, if theyre same level

[narrow crag]

lvl 1 myth is 1166 hp and perfect shots are 204 damage

[soft mulch]

wish there were some + AP relics or percs

its all percentage based

which ends up scaling to the moon

[narrow crag]

myth max level is 2090 hp and perfect shots are 345 damage

hence her primary attack gets worse the higher the level

right?

yeah its like 1.8x vs 1.7x

[soft mulch]

Sword of the seven suns is problematic on ghost cus the +15% damage applies to both his LMB base damage AND the dazed bonus damage, effectively giving him +30% damage against targets he hits with rmb

something i only found out yesterday

[woven swift]

Is 20% at 3*

[soft mulch]

so 40% bonus damage yea

[narrow crag]

3 star is unobtainable*

[soft mulch]

it duplicates cus it counts as both ability damage AND primary attack damage

dont ask me why

[woven swift]

I have most blue relics at 3*

[soft mulch]

it just checks and then applies 2x 20% bonus damage

[woven swift]

There's a dude that even has thunderbolt at 3*

[soft mulch]

I got hoverwings on 3 almost

cant wait to troll more lobbies and spend entire game in the sky

[narrow crag]

what percentage of the supervive population has their desired build relics at 3 star lol

[woven swift]

Congrats, probs the most worthless legendary

[narrow crag]

supervive is inherently impossible to balance because your strength depends on your playtime

[soft mulch]

Counters brall atleast! (His autoattacks make me fly 😊 )

[ocean drum]

Good on hudson so very op 👍

[woven swift]

Makes him 1000 times stronger

(1000*0=0)

[soft mulch]

there are many impulses in this game so if enemies ever tetra punch u, you can fly to the moon

its pretty funny actually, once people get hover on 3 clips will def be farmed

[woven swift]

Which isn't always good

[soft mulch]

yea but its funny

thats all that matters

taking balance in this game seriously will just cause u hairloss

[woven swift]

Imagine losing because you used hover wings at last zone and got yeeted to academy all the way from kobayashi

[narrow crag]

i feel like thunderbolt is peak useless at 1 star but then gets cracked at higher tiers right

[ocean drum]

I'm tryna find his best build rn and funnily enough it might not actually be hoverwings. Me am still testing tho

[narrow crag]

like tell me this is fair and balanced

worse total damage than a fey glove at 1 star

[ocean drum]

At least they were nice enough to give it a cd. Unlike sunweaver

[woven swift]

I wouldn't be surprised if tree circle was op on him because he can trap enemies in front of him and destroy the first trees fast enough

[soft mulch]

Sunweaver has entered the room

[narrow crag]

deals 350 damage

which can be like 20% of someones hp early on

at 3 star

and gives more damage than 2 star gauntlet

[soft mulch]

the scaling on stuff like that just has to be fully reworked

[woven swift]

Yeah, RMB Q on tetra chunks with 3* thunderbolt

Just straight up kills most hunters

[soft mulch]

items like that should be INCREDIBLE lategame and weaker early

[narrow crag]

nvm

thunderbolt just gives more stats than 3 star glove straight up

[narrow crag]

why not constant

[ocean drum]

I could see it. Rn I'm just not a big fan that anyone who even plays him(so like 5 people lmao) run super safe builds and it feels like they aren't even trying crazy stuff. So like no improving on his best builds happening.

[narrow crag]

tree circle is really weird

super niche but really funny

[soft mulch]

Well if u look at sunweaver, level 2, it has a base damage of 80 and then +4 per level

[woven swift]

Oh boy I just realized the horror that thunderbolt with soul stealer would be

[narrow crag]

also peak useless at level 1

its cooldown gets halved at level 2

[soft mulch]

its mainly extremely overpowered in earlygame

that item should have a basedamage of 50 and scale +6 per level

or something like that

[ocean drum]

I watched a shiv literally 2 tap madly on joule. Soul steeler is definitely an item(tbf it's almost just cus shiv is not ok)

[narrow crag]

why can't i see level 1 stats

[soft mulch]

level 1 is 40 + 2

it doubles on level 2

which is another absurd example of powercreep

[narrow crag]

you mean this?

[woven swift]

I'd argue that the optimal teamcomp for Hudson would be something like 1 healer 1 tank or 2 tanks

[narrow crag]

2% of max hp is just 40 damage no?

[woven swift]

No, this https://supervive.wiki.gg/wiki/The_Soul_Stealer

[narrow crag]

ah

[ocean drum]

Legit I'd go with tetra + zeph/oath for him

[woven swift]

Yeah , cc for days

[ocean drum]

Anyone takes a single step into wire they cannot dodge the tetra's boulders and they just get deleted

And her punch ig but not as impactful imo

[narrow crag]

hudson is annoying as fuck to play against

hard to chase and hard to engage

[woven swift]

Tetra can also punch them in the wires

[woven swift]

https://supervive-stats.com/builds/details/1zh61igzu4o8gef

I had this build with a Ghost that went life steal

He was tanking 3 people at once

[ocean drum]

Yes that's what I meant when I mentioned her punch. I don't think it's as impactful as one might think. Especially cus they made it so it stops on the fucking outside of the wires not the inside

[narrow crag]

tetra punch is really weird

[woven swift]

You can place them on top of a stunned target and Tetra can just perma stun them against the same wall

[ocean drum]

Yep, if paladins primer is at 3 star he might as well be immortal lol

[soft mulch]

wait thats genius

i forgot soulbonds exist

[woven swift]

[soft mulch]

i wasnt sure what support item to go 2nd so i just run that

cus i was running egirl build for fun today

had all those items except the bonds

[narrow crag]

where is soul bounds

[woven swift]

It's a grip

[ocean drum]

I forgot sbout that fuck. Idk how often you'd be able to be in the right position to place wires correctly when the tetra does that tho. Cus you can't turn them still :( asked for you to be able to turn them with mouse months ago

[woven swift]

Would literally just need the same code as tetra ult

So it's not impossible

[narrow crag]

terraria paladins shield

when is this like

ever useful tho

why not go fey glove and chrono gague for healers

more healing and more damage

and more utility

[woven swift]

When you have a premade hyper carry like Shiv or Ghost

[ocean drum]

Would be nice ngl. But they'll never add it.

Cus everything i say involving hudson might as well be ignored

[narrow crag]

how do you even play ghost

i can never deal good damage with him

[ocean drum]

Nade into delete. You can legit do 120 per shot with some dmg amps.

[narrow crag]

whats his build

[soft mulch]

heal is already a full heal on elluna, only issue is the long cooldown

so if u wanna improve ur healing capabilities, u go ability haste

[woven swift]

Either black rose or sword of the seven suns + last bite with damage amp grips and gorger grips iirc

[soft mulch]

soulbonds is a straightup damage reduction

and guardian angel also heals URSELF

so it works pretty well in this combo

[narrow crag]

this?

[woven swift]

Froggy also shields you every time you proc ga

[soft mulch]

i just wish soulbonds would also provide some form of base stat

like +100 HP or something

[woven swift]

Yeah but need 3*

[narrow crag]

then why go guardian angel

[narrow crag]

fuck armory

whats a viable 1-2 star build

for ffa/arena

[woven swift]

Ghost gets ridiculously stronger with higher * items

[soft mulch]

Passive wisp resurrection, even if ur shield breaks + the tier 2 increases Res speed and gives u touch of life

which heals both u and ur ally on touch

[narrow crag]

oh right

only useful when gatchaed

with ghost you never go below the lime ammo right

[soft mulch]

this item was the first thing i wrote down change suggestions for

cus the tier1 is so utterly useless

[narrow crag]

shoot until lime ammo goes down

repeat

[soft mulch]

this would be quality of life dream

[narrow crag]

hows this for a budget build

where i don't have last bite and soss

[woven swift]

Yeah, ghost with that build and his passive gets close to 50% omnivamp

[narrow crag]

probably with fey boots

[woven swift]

I'd replace vive infuser with something else

Last bite should be good even at 1*

[narrow crag]

festering jawblade?

[ocean drum]

Ghost is allowed infinite healing but hudson ain't, ok game 😒

[narrow crag]

i have that at 3 star

[woven swift]

Sounds alright but gotta time it right

[narrow crag]

use it when not full hp and i stun someone

[woven swift]

Or when someone jumps on you

[soft mulch]

i mean level 3 jawblade empowers ur attacks for 8 seconds

[narrow crag]

arena time

[soft mulch]

its pretty good, better than rampager for sure

[narrow crag]

also holy shit

his dash is insane

very long dash 3s cooldown

what evne is the point of his 8s dash

its barely longer

[woven swift]

Oh right, make sure to either get some sort of mana perk or not spam his laser too much

[narrow crag]

hows longclaw instead of gorger

[woven swift]

You don't really care about range with life steal build

Which is why you can run black rose

[narrow crag]

i mean its useful to chase down shrike/myth/carbine but ig nobody plays them anyways

[woven swift]

Not your job with that build

Your job is to bait melee characters to all in you

Because with that build + Elluna you just shit on them

[narrow crag]

what about soloq

[woven swift]

More or less same but should be a bit more careful

[narrow crag]

why isnt kite ghost played tho

low cooldown dash + insane area control with ult and rmb

q catches gliders

he just seems better than carbine at it

[woven swift]

Because carbine has way more damage than ghost

[narrow crag]

huh then whats so strong about ghost then

[ocean drum]

Survivability, and can do more dmg faster. Carbine has overall more dmg but he doesn't just delete you like ghost does

[narrow crag]

so less bursty

[woven swift]

Not sure who has the higher burst but overall Carbine has more range and damage

Ghost has more survivability due to his passive and short dash intervals and pretty sure more dps when only taking into account basic attacks

[ocean drum]

Ghost is more burst. I feel like thay can't even be argued.

[narrow belfry]

td was the least fun day ive had in ranked since i started playing this game

actually got tilted for the first time

[soft mulch]

Heres a little preview of what @hushed vortex is working on currently! 👀

[nocturne leaf]

Lil meap is such a goat

[short owl]

Guys i know it's a discussion but can we somehow PIN de screenshot so we can see it between all the messages

[soft mulch]

Which one?

The preview?

[short owl]

Yep

[soft mulch]

When his website is up, ill get a mod to pin that

[short owl]

This is gold as well

[soft mulch]

then people can look at all the data themselves

[short owl]

That's cool!

Thanks for everything

[cyan thicket]

very late but took me and a friend several hours when first starting before realizing dunking was based on damage, our initial guess at the time was it was based on displacement attacks, (just a coincidence all the displacement was doing damage as well)

the idea of the competitive scene was a majority of my motivation to keep grinding, because organized competitive (like actually set up matches and stuff rather than ranked) has in my experience of games been incredibly fun

[grave junco]

must’ve been, I ran into you in norms lmao

just wukong on the mind?

[narrow belfry]

no wukong was not the problem

he never is imo i dont see him as very busted

shiv the only busted champ atm

[ocean drum]

Idik how much you've watched of comp, rmb spam wu is one of the most toxic shit ever. Not punishable and he easily makes plays for his team.

And that movement is such bs. I'll stick by the fact his podracing should not be in the hame at all.

[soft mulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1352000171889786931/1405686285611433984/image.png?ex=689fbade&is=689e695e&hm=42852a644fe300de58b03637437a41972af0985325e4690266e2e5f63e861fc1&

[tiny cosmos]

this is after the 3 most picked were banned right

or is that a diff scrim

[soft mulch]

i was gonna wait for yall to lose ur minds about EU meta until i spoil that fact

[tiny cosmos]

^.^

[soft mulch]

but yea it was

the 3 banned were Shiv, Wukong an Crysta

[ocean drum]

Oath falling off, I see how it is. Looks like a testing scrim block

[soft mulch]

it def was

i think oath will heavily return once the dunks are nerfed next wednesday

and be S tier by far

[ocean drum]

I agree. Oath op forever!

[soft mulch]

oath is lowkey terrible against wukong and tetra

outside of that hes turbo OP

[ocean drum]

I feel like at some point oath eill be able to parry wu rmb.

And tetra is literally made to be an oath counter

[soft mulch]

tetra is healthy for the game unironically

once slams are nerfed next week the game will feel so different

land fights will be incentivized and so will teamplay

[deft talon]

i feel like wukong would also be healthy for the game if tuned down a bit with dunking gone

as much as i hate on wukongs current existence

[narrow crag]

wukong in resonator is like felix but you don't need people in range

[hushed vortex]

The sEUpervive Scrims Stats Website is LIVE!

I'm excited to announce that our new community stats website is now available for everyone to use!

Check it out here: https://seupervive.com

On the site, you can:
• View Your Player Profile: Dive deep into your personal match history and see detailed stats for every scrim game.
• Climb the Leaderboards: See who's at the top for K/D, Winrate, and more across Players, Teams, and Hunters.
• Analyze the Meta: Check out the "Top Builds" page to see which perks and items are performing the best.

Currently the data itself only goes back to last sundays scrims, so we're starting from a clean slate !

If you have any feedback or find any bugs, please let me know!

REMINDER THAT THIS IS ONLY FOR SCRIMS (everyone can view the stats but data is based on EU scrims)

[shy tapir]

That's really cool

[upper cradle]

wow eu is so advanced

awesum site!

[soft mulch]

If anyone has any quality of life / content suggestions for the site feel free to share pls!

1 thing i noticed thats needed is the ability to see who even plays on the teams

also the ability to click on the individual scrimsets here @hushed vortex

[minor mason]

Since no one posted it yet I'll do community work and do it

Scrim pick rates for today

Bans : wukong/tetra and oath/kp