alpine ice
I dont know if you guys realize that when you do scrims you literally RIP the que at the only time of day its even playable without 5+ min ques. Just saying I think maybe sidelining scrims until the game has a healthy player base is kinda neccessary. Like the 40 people who leave are all well ranked so Master+ ques feel like 4 am ques during prime hours these days.
Obviously do as you do, just a thought from the ex peoples champ.
Like if we can't have Ranked Arena ques why the hell do we have scrims allowed LOL. Its even worse for que times 🤷♂️
torn cove
On some level I agree with this in that it's detrimental to the ranked queue.
On another level, I think good players competiting and streaming the competition is what drives people to these games, and I think doing Scrims right now is the only way to get a competitive game (due to both inconsistency in match-making and the inability for most of the people that are in scrims to group in ranked queue).
The root issue is probably that ranked is so broken that scrims are basically necessary (and the root issue of that, is probably that there's a playerbase problem).
alpine ice
On some level I agree with this in that it's detrimental to the ranked queue.
O...
Scrims are selfish if we care about people playing. Players seeing 10 min ques at peak hours is not likely to keep anyone around. Like I can't even play during peak hours because of scrims and player population. I'm just saying if I can't have ranked arena because of que yall shouldn't get custom games / scrims because of que. Yall are much more detrimental and I get the reason scrims are necessary but like unironically we can't have our cake and eat it too. If we care about the player count scrims should be postponed during peak hours and yall should choose a time that isn't peak hours at the very least.
torn cove
To be clear, nobody is inviting me into scrims lol. I'm not part of this, just giving a perspective for it.
Though, putting my perspective aside, it's ultimately objectively hard to police how people enjoy games. It likely would need to be driven by TC vs. the community (would need to remove custom mode, and I do not think that would be well-received).
I just don't think there is anything that can be done about it, outside growing the game so that <40 people leaving the funnel isn't devastating.
alpine ice
To be clear, nobody is inviting me into scrims lol. I'm not part of this, just ...
They had no problem removing duo ques regardless of how some wanted to play. They had no problem gutting squads with little consideration. I just think if the goal is to retain players you absolutely have to disable scrims for the foreseeable future. I literally can't get a game between 6pm - 9pm MST now and that's absolutely bonkers. I'm literally heavily addicted and even I'm considering quitting if this continues. Its not even a choice I literally can't get ques during peak hours LOL.
torn dagger
Yeah no. There's no fun having top 5 world on game for people below grand master.
storm surge
They had no problem removing duo ques regardless of how some wanted to play. The...
people are playing scrims in the first place because they nuked the ability to play ranked with friends, if you take that away too people simply leave the game
alpine ice
people are playing scrims in the first place because they nuked the ability to p...
People are leaving in much larger amounts because of 10+ min ques during peak times I can assure you of that.
its cool I've already accepted that its probably not going to change, I'm simply pointing this out for all of you that wouldn't give me ranked arenas because of que times while literally supporting scrims that are 5x worse for the ques than ranked arenas woulda been. Like you Mika if I recall hated on the idea if I recall for the que times and yet some reason you support scrims make it make sense :\
storm surge
[citation needed]
alpine ice
[citation needed]
Fair I guess your base argument was that Arena wouldn't be more popular than BR. I still think it would be a much more popular que, but alas you are correct I put words in your mouth after rereading our old exchange.
alpine ice
[citation needed]
None the less it is absolutely essential that we get Ranked Arenas if scrims are allowed to persist during peak hours with the effect it has on que.
storm surge
or... they just all-in on the one mode they have a vision for
alpine ice
or... they just all-in on the one mode they have a vision for
Sure and while you are at it remove scrims during peak hours so we can actually play that one mode.
storm surge
BR can be scrimmed and still be the same mode
alpine ice
BR can be scrimmed and still be the same mode
Gimme back duos
alpine ice
BR can be scrimmed and still be the same mode
At least the ques
Made sense to be a lifetime
lament cape
Sure and while you are at it remove scrims during peak hours so we can actually ...
in EU we have scrims, trios and arena lobbies at the same time without any issue. Sounds maybe more like an Region issue.
And ranked is pointless in term of level and macro. Without scrims, you can't have a POV of the top players if you want a potential pro scene in the future.
Scrims and tournaments are also a free way to give Supervive advertisement, so no, scrims are fine and should stay.
fleet veldt
This is a unique opinion to say the least
On a serious note people play scrims because they don’t have to wait in queue and get way higher quality matches
If this is a big problem for you I’d suggest making a more casual scrim team and joining them
broken storm
in EU we have scrims, trios and arena lobbies at the same time without any issue...
Eu is more active than na ngl.
Without scrims I woukd honestly have no clue wha actual higher end play looks like.
I personally would love it if ranked games at the higher level looked like scrims to some degree. But ik that's kinda a pipe dream.
fleet veldt
Eu is more active than na ngl.
Without scrims I woukd honestly have no clue wh...
If the game gets the players it needs it very well could
I kinda think of apex where high elo games are like scrims but with more limit testing and “im just gonna push this for the fun of it” type fights
A good middle ground
Hopefully that’ll happen
proud laurel
Ok just to be clear. Scrims player are not playing more than 2-3 hours a week in ranked (not balanced, not fun in soloq, and we don't need to play more to be top ladder) so it's not because of scrims that you can't get game. Also scrims/tournament are the main content of the active supervive community, and even if it's a little community it's the only reason the game is not dead dead with 50player a day online. + Even when we play ranked + five min 5 q is so fucking common most of the time you will find a game in 10min it's just something due to MMR increase even if your lobby are the same. + Master+q don't exist, all the rank are in the same lobby they're just filling the team with all the player in Q
lucid gull
No one who is right in mind plays the torture of coinflip and running simulator
misty pond
Another not so great post by the “peoples champ”. High ranked players want to play AS A TEAM, since they can’t do that in solo q because THERES A SOLO Q RESTRICTION! Scrims is the only way they can practise for tournaments etc. Trust me if there are no tournaments the game would die out so quickly u wouldn’t even understand. So if there are no scrims, then people are less likely to organise a tournament imo.
drifting heron
I dont know if you guys realize that when you do scrims you literally RIP the qu...
Most of the people playing in these scrims dont even play ranked anymore cuz its shit
fervent nebula
Out of the 40-70 people i know that play scrims on EU, I'd be shocked if 20 of them will even decide to Q ranked if scrims wouldnt have happened that day, And from those who would, it would only be for the "Ranked" grind and they'll stop once they hit thier desired rank/spot of the leaderboard , The games current rank experience is not something we want from our game
tiny shuttle
Out of the 40-70 people i know that play scrims on EU, I'd be shocked if 20 of t...
As probably one of those people he’s mentioning, I can confirm I haven’t played a singular ranked game in at least 1-2 weeks after hitting legend once.
mellow laurel
Most of the people playing in these scrims dont even play ranked anymore cuz its...
Facts the game sucks to solo queue so I only play arena and scrims and inhouses now because why would I play a TEAM game solo. Scrims isn't an issue, if 36 players not queuing kills the game that's the issue. I guarantee way more people would play at my rank if we didn't have to solo queue because every game is basically like herd 2 other players that usually don't know what they're doing, baby sit them and try to get them not to die. The experience sucks and literally everyone I've talked to hates it.
drifting heron
We all fell for the ragebait
storm hazel
I dont know if you guys realize that when you do scrims you literally RIP the qu...
so basically you want to us give up on the only fun part of the game
storm hazel
We all fell for the ragebait
generational post if thats the case
he is truly the goat
errant valve
Generational ragebait post well played @alpine ice
hot chasm
100% true and correct post, TC should remove custom lobbies outside of tournaments to avoid this, it's killing the queue
storm surge
nah they should remove arena clearly
sacred smelt
You guys are mental if you think all people who play scrims plays solo ranked, maybe, at max 10 players who scrim, plays soloq before scrims so this whole post is just mega super cope
subtle rapids
You guys are mental if you think all people who play scrims plays solo ranked, m...
Is this what it’s like in EU? I feel like I see plenty of scrim players queued up when I’m playing ranked in NA. Either solo or hopping on alts to play with friends
Also if you’re serious about competing you should be playing soloq period. You can’t limit test the same way in scrims that you can in ranked (limited number of games/don’t want to grief your teammate’s practice). The micro gap between players who grind soloq (or arena in some cases) and players who don’t is already very apparent and will only continue to grow
sacred smelt
Most people do arena to warm up etc for scrims and inhouses
Because yes you cant really practise the game in soloq because the skills necessary are completely different from scrims
storm surge
Also if you’re serious about competing you should be playing soloq period. You c...
Limit testing against my local secondary school's football team means nothing if the goal is to compete with Plymouth Argyle, what are you proving to yourself at that point?
storm hazel
Limit testing against my local secondary school's football team means nothing if...
holy banger
subtle rapids
Limit testing against my local secondary school's football team means nothing if...
This mindset explains the micro I saw in abyssal cup today:)
Looking forward to international LANs one day hopefully
storm surge
Abyssal cup had more teams than there are scrimmers
storm surge
I'd argue big prize pools generate more ROFL stomps than actual scrims NGL
It's the same with TFT open quals is always worse play than the swiss leagues
subtle rapids
Tft is an awful comparison to Supervive
There is basically no micro which is what my point is about
storm surge
It's a good example insofar as skill gap is insane on anything with a payout on open signup
subtle rapids
Also I only watched finals of abyssal cup so presumably only the most competent teams. It was not very stompy
storm surge
Your region is run by a KP
Also aren't your lobbies still getting smacked around by a Shrike main?
subtle rapids
Also aren't your lobbies still getting smacked around by a Shrike main?
Yeah bc that Shrike main and his teammates grind micro. They have better hands than anyone in EU
Which is my entire point in saying people need to grind mechs more
storm surge
They do... In scrims
subtle rapids
They do... In scrims
Nobody actually grinds micro in scrims since people take them too seriously to limit test consistently, which was in my original comment. You said so yourself that the quality of play is higher in scrims.
Also is 6 games (or however many are in EU scrim blocks) per day really “grinding”?
lament cape
Your region is run by a KP
Oath, Myth and Bishop are the correct answers, def not KP
subtle rapids
Oath, Myth and Bishop are the correct answers, def not KP
Hasn’t Tom’s team won like over half the EU tournaments? That’s what I’m referencing
lament cape
Hasn’t Tom’s team won like over half the EU tournaments? That’s what I’m referen...
yes, but the team wasn't just KP lol, but every meta hunters in EU.
And today, the abyssal cup wasn't won by a team with a KP
torn cove
Oath/KP/Myth is also a pretty high synergy team comp, even putting aside the individual power of Oath and Myth.
subtle rapids
yes, but the team wasn't just KP lol, but every meta hunters in EU.
And today, ...
Yeah thats def true. I was just poking fun.
storm surge
Nobody actually grinds micro in scrims since people take them too seriously to l...
If anything that just sounds like y'all have a poor scrim culture
drifting heron
This mindset explains the micro I saw in abyssal cup today:)
Another generational ragebait
tiny shuttle
This mindset explains the micro I saw in abyssal cup today:)
NA struggling against Hudson 💔
sadly he was grinding micro
broken storm
If the game gets the players it needs it very well could
I highly doubt it. No matter what, with this ranked system every game is just gonna be a kill fest.
tiny shuttle
I highly doubt it. No matter what, with this ranked system every game is just go...
realistically if every player in a lobby would be Legend/GM it can definitely look a lot more like scrims. The only thing they'd do more than in scrims is chase the last player since that's what gives you the most points right now eitherway.
broken storm
realistically if every player in a lobby would be Legend/GM it can definitely lo...
I honestly just don't see it happening much regardless.
misty pond
This mindset explains the micro I saw in abyssal cup today:)
Micro in EU is leagues above NA? and besides the skill disparity between the 12 teams in finals of tournaments in EU is way higher than the skill disparity in NA tournaments. Since NA has 5 teams that stomp the rest mostly. In EU u dont necessarily have a team that stomps the rest since everyone has a completely different PLAYSTYLE. I watched a couple of NA tournaments and the top teams would get punished so hard for what they are doing in NA if they would play in EU
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1365832961559367844/1366337292691701782/image.png?ex=68109443&is=680f42c3&hm=1b4971ab9a89cd5cac10663612f1227720e94c32a9fb108e249b8a5898b1f7c7&
subtle rapids
fleet veldt
Micro in EU is leagues above NA? and besides the skill disparity between the 12 ...
LOL
The reason that happens is because na doesn’t have very many good teams other than tld na mostly has really good players that play together which leads to a huge skill deficit between teams because there’s no real way for worse players to “climb the latter” and improve so no one tries to
And also if the top na teams played in eu they would probably still stomp because mb and tld are FAR in a way the best teams to the point where they don’t need to make perfect macro plays
misty glen
I also think conflating team's "close in skill" =/= that everyone is high skill, but could also be the inverse. You could have a competitive all bronze lobby where you don't know which team will win and they can all be taking game's from one another, doesn't make them good
Also EU was the biggest 1 to 2 team region for the longest time, only until recently has that changed and is that because the overall skill level of the bottom tier teams has risen? or because bomba squad and chipsa squad all split up and no longer play together or play at all, the playing field has leveled out?
Now this entire argument is all dumb unless NA and EU face each other on an even playing field (same ping), but until then it's all just an eye test and everyone will be inherently bias to defend and believe their region to be better
I will say just from the eye test, in BR and Arena tournament's that NA currently takes the cake at least at the high end. But again, you can't conflate the bottom-mid tier teams getting owned as automatically = they are bad or is it because the top team's are just that good/dominant? Hard to say because we could all be bad, even the top team's and the overall playing field is just weaker, either argument could be made so you can only rely on the eye test of the micro/macro plays and call it a day
fleet veldt
People are so quick to cry that their region is better despite the actual facts of the matter like you said
And also the game is just different between eu and na
hot chasm
there is not a single competitive game at which EU isnt significantly stronger than NA, supervive is no exception and anyone saying otherwise is a coping american
storm surge
there is not a single competitive game at which EU isnt significantly stronger than NA
NA has CoD, Halo, and a lot of various FGC titles
boreal ferry
there is not a single competitive game at which EU isnt significantly stronger t...
who is gonna tell him
fleet veldt
I rest my case
alpine ice
so basically you want to us give up on the only fun part of the game
Unironically the reason thats the only fun part is because there is literally no active playerbase because of actions like this. Que times are literally solely responsible for lack of players and especially when there is 10 min ques during 5-10pm peak hours. Actually insane take.
storm surge
Que times are literally solely responsible for lack of players and especially when there is 10 min ques during 5-10pm peak hours
for me it's almost entirely that as soon as I do get into a game I am shown players who still think Wraith's row is a viable drop spot, bots, and a handful of teams that wanna play PVE for 10 mins
fervent jewel
I dont know if you guys realize that when you do scrims you literally RIP the qu...
So people should stop playing custom games to play in queue instead? I'm not sure if I understood this Very Well...
alpine ice
So people should stop playing custom games to play in queue instead? I'm not sur...
Yes either stop customs or at least stop playing customs during peak hours. Literally taking 40 of typically the best players out of the que and that makes everyone wait 2-5+ minutes more for ques during those times. At least in NA that is the case.
alpine ice
> Que times are literally solely responsible for lack of players and especially ...
Wraiths row is literally the best drop in the game if you are mechanically strong. You will typically kill at least 1 team or a few champs and get level 6 with full purples. You are positioned typically for one of the strongost spots in the game allowing you to choose where to transition typically to cut off edge zone runners. I think its a strong tell of skill when someone thinks wraiths isn't a viable drop spot, and not in the way you are suggesting respectfully.
alpine ice
Most of the people playing in these scrims dont even play ranked anymore cuz its...
They actively made it shit by literally cooking the que times during the day by playing customs instead of queing into the public que with everyone. When que times are 5-15 mins in peak hours you tend to lose players faster than soldiers on D day.
storm surge
Wraiths row is literally the best drop in the game if you are mechanically stron...
it's only viable because people think it's viable, there is functionally no actual benefit there outside of players who aren't good because XP is the only thing it can give (no tangible loot to accompany it)
if you were the only team to drop there you have objectively lost out big because there are mathematically more camps in a smaller rotation in for example Molten Fortress nowadays
alpine ice
there is not a single competitive game at which EU isnt significantly stronger t...
The only reason EU seems better to me is really ping and their willingness to play a literal game like its their job. IE camp bushes for 10 mins because its "optimal" or literally avoid fights like your jesus trying to run away from the romans. Most americans are playing on 40+ ping while most EU is playing on <20. I don't think the skill gap is that large at the very top of the player base, but the gap is fucking massive due to yall having more players among the average. I climbed an account to masters EU only last season all random and I couldn't in NA (mostly because que times :)
fervent jewel
Yes either stop customs or at least stop playing customs during peak hours. Lite...
Ok I get it now.... Thanks for Enlightening me Champion of the People...
subtle rapids
i knew it
There are 2 English speaking regions in SV and I was throwing shade at one. You managed to guess that I was from the other one? Bravo detective
lucid cliff
no i just guessed cause ur opinion is shit
subtle rapids
Ah true
subtle rapids
Some
lucid cliff
do u know the fcking pressure of beign in a 1.2 k tournament finals?
obiusly we are not gonna play as always bruh
subtle rapids
Kk have fun talking to urself
lucid cliff
lol
lucid cliff
Na logic:
lucid cliff
sure haha
storm surge
There are 2 English speaking regions in SV and I was throwing shade at one. You ...
...what languages do you think Hong Kong speaks?
lucid cliff
You said you play worse under pressure
bronze 4:
subtle rapids
...what languages do you think Hong Kong speaks?
Does HK have its own server? Honestly didn’t know
storm surge
Does HK have its own server? Honestly didn’t know
AP SERVER WAS HONG KONG AT LAUNCH 💀
lucid cliff
subtle rapids
Ok I stand corrected. Fair enough
storm surge
they only recently merged Hong Kong and Seoul into Tokyo
if they kept the server in Korea it'd require Korean ID
storm surge
and if they kept it in Hong Kong then the whole region would've died
subtle rapids
u dont even play shit so u dont know lol
All this talk about me but nobody sending clips of sick eu micro is really telling imo. Shut me up if ur gonna shut me up
lucid cliff
All this talk about me but nobody sending clips of sick eu micro is really telli...
do u want me to send a copilation of all my double dunks or what
or eu in general
subtle rapids
Whatever floats ur boat dude wow me
subtle rapids
IMO everyone is years away from actually having crisp micro in this game
My region included
lucid cliff
agree
subtle rapids
Ok that’s basically the point im trying to make
subtle rapids
And bc we’re so far away from mechanical proficiency we need to grind ranked outside of scrims
lucid cliff
i like to limit test in inhouses and practise macro in scrims
subtle rapids
Yeah ig the inhouses kinda fill the roll SoloQ would
lucid cliff
yeah they do
lucid cliff
Whatever floats ur boat dude wow me
this is the first montage i did
i didnt want to make it too long
idk i just putted some random shit in it but its all i can send u rn
lucid cliff
https://youtu.be/gHrUkAJrNp0?si=f-d1InMZpMuYhwJT
i mean this is like average kp things
at least what ive seen
storm surge
I thought I'd go like middle of the pack because yeah this is our average KP
lucid cliff
its like bread and butter
storm surge
that video runs through like most of the shit I don't see NA do consistently though
lucid cliff
i love theo tho
lucid cliff
that video runs through like most of the shit I **don't** see NA do consistently...
i dont watch na games so i cant tell
storm surge
it would do you great things to not do so unless in a mood to laugh
lucid cliff
that video runs through like most of the shit I **don't** see NA do consistently...
the thing with kp is that you have to play either great or bad theres no middle term
its like little things that make u better
like not failing that one bullet for the reset on dash
when a kp hooks u REACT to the slam with the hook instead of predicting it
storm surge
I would prefer TC making Oath actually a tank
rather than a tank-healer-DPS-support-controller-duelist-sentinel
but alas the CEO is an Oath main
lucid cliff
but alas the CEO is an Oath main
i made this for creativity xd
like "what if oath never existed"
gleaming oak
Yall are really bad at picking things to compare for your region beefing. Just look at the Arena tourney finals, or top 3 or something, I know both regions have had them. That should be a good place to look to compare micro.
lucid cliff
Yall are really bad at picking things to compare for your region beefing. Just l...
i dont even want to compare,maiby in 1 year when the micro is more developed
but rn is pointless
gleaming oak
I agree but people really like to do the region beef for some reason
alpine ice
Hey yall I think we got a bit off topic here. What we all need to talk about is how scrims is killing ques on both NA and EU and they need to be forced to reschedule to the doomer hours or all around be disabled.
gleaming oak
Sneekers I don't think I really notice a difference in queue times when scrims are/aren't happening. Maybe that's because I don't pay that much attention to the queue times but it's not a big enough difference for me to notice at least.
I notice it a lot more with PUG games tbh
alpine ice
Sneekers I don't think I really notice a difference in queue times when scrims a...
I will take videos of it. Ques were 6 min pre scrim. 10+ after.
especially on my master accouynts
I que several accounts when ques get above 5 mins and thats how I know.
I only say anything because I genuinely don't think most the scrim people even consider the impact they have on things because of how low the population is on game. Idk is it a lot to ask for scrims to be earlier or later by 3-4 hours? If I'm the only one who seems bothered by it I'd gladly hang up my opinion, but we did just kinda gut the entire game to try to lower que times...
Like duos had like 5 active players and even that was a big enough impact they felt they had to drop it
I imagine soon they will be forced to choose between arenas and trios and likely arenas will also meet the fate of duo for the ques...
Obviously I too prefer better games like scrims where the games actually look like people of their ranks, but you can literally feel the difference on days where scrims are canceled and not. Quality of games are better for all, que times are shorter, and comradery is high as many players who wouldn't play together due to their teams are snuggled up together under the warm blanket of the worst matchmaking system i've ever personally seen in a game (including literally Modded no budget passion projects with active players counts in the teens).
fleet veldt
I notice it a lot more with PUG games tbh
pugs murder queue times but also like just play in pugs at that point
alpine ice
Pugs were literally the match making we all wanted to see in ranked but with literally no match making coding and faster with actually less hassle. Like its ironic we just randomly invited people and made better lobbies than the match making. Makes me wonder if there even is match making code at all.
hot chasm
I only say anything because I genuinely don't think most the scrim people even c...
It's not that they don't know, it's that they don't care. And everyone else is bothered by longer queue times, they just aren't making this connection. Your analysis is obviously correct though, when 42 top players don't queue for ranked it makes the pool a lot worse, even if we were to assume that only half of them would queue solo.
On a side note, this whole scrim culture also largely killed the LFG channel and people grouping up on the fly, which is kinda sad. That part was always fun
alpine ice
Scrims are quite literally unimportant at the moment to me. I don't understand how we can have scrim lobbies, but not a full high ranked lobby when they aren't in scrims like you would expect of ranked. This alone isn't a players fault it is a coding thing for sure;.
Like scrim lobbies would be ranked lobbies just with the talent being shuffled like pugs exactly how pugs essentially functioned. Idk... all I know is I have to log in accounts and start queing midway through my game on them to have under 5 min ques during scrim / peak hours now
its actually just a personal I hate this shit but I want to play. I just dont want to play scrims because its arguably in a boring terrible state. Games not a job, but playing the way scrims demands is literally the most unfun league of legends style ish lame ass shit. Its not fun to watch, its not fun to play, it is literally the games worst mode minus the talent involved. They need to end this herbivore shit so we can get some players back :'[
Unironically would love to see them drop us at max level and items still have the BR system but literally only ability minions and thats it. I think it'd be fun to me but obviously this has to appeal to some of you herbivores or it wouldn't be a thing right?
misty pond
Well sneekers, if its not fun to play, then dont play scrims. Most people think scrims is the most fun gamemode simply because of the competitiveness. people are not going to solo q just so you can have 4 minute shorter q times when people cant even play as a team anymore. If there were no scrims then people cant practise as a team? And supervive is a team game, not a ''show off solo q rank like monkey''
alpine ice
yes the competitiveness is cool, but the way the meta forces you to play currently is resident sleeper
misty pond
people dont solo q, because it feels like ur babysitting 2 people that first time the game. And I completely agree
alpine ice
was more fun when people aped
personally
I respect others go different
and actually like the current meta
:'[
misty pond
yes the competitiveness is cool, but the way the meta forces you to play current...
yeah but it doesnt have anything to do with scrims genuinely man. If there was no solo q restriction then people will actually play ranked as a 3 stack to practise a bit. but then people are going to be complaining that they are being overran by 3 legend players that play a lot
in the end it just comes down to low playerbase, so theres no ranked lobby differences. and people have a reason to play ranked: to compete with everyone and to show off their individual skill.
getting legend now is genuinely just playing for a week when the ranks get reset.
it doesnt really feel that challenging at all
and it doesnt feel like YOU NEED to play it, it doesnt stimulate most high tier players to play because it feels irrelevant at some point
and u dont want to lose the best players of the game since they are the ones representing it rn, so taking away scrims shouldnt even be a thing.
alpine ice
Idk man from what I've heard the top 4 teams gap the bottom rest of the teams in each region so massively it isn't even really worth scrimming most the time. Like its what a 15% improvement maybe 20 over just ranked que?
Like is that worth adding 20% or more time to ranked qwe for everyone?
Idk I can't even watch a sccrim game without straight up adderal or something to keep me up. Slept before day 1 even hits night. :\
If you dont engage in combat every 2 mins you should lose RP
misty pond
genuinely thats just you
We had a watch party in EU for abyssal cup for everyone that wanted to join/didnt qualify and there were people watching in discord
alpine ice
true it is
alpine ice
I had like 85 people watch me 1v1 shrichael
That wasn't even entertaining I don'
don't think lol
Idk man you genuinely like the pace of scrims and have fun watching them?
misty pond
Idk man from what I've heard the top 4 teams gap the bottom rest of the teams in...
the number 1 seeding team that won last EGL and is very dominant and were expected to win, got 9th in abyssal cup so this is not true btw
misty pond
Idk man you genuinely like the pace of scrims and have fun watching them?
yes it is like a completely different world, and actually feels like a team game instead of running people down like monkeys in ranked just to see a number go up
alpine ice
I think thats kinda my point that scrims are a little pointless
like comp in this game a little pointless the rng is too massive
but thats just my opinion
misty pond
no its not RNG at all
alpine ice
bro you can kill a minion and get BIS purple level 1
you can roll a BIS gold item level 1
like idk man the RNG is pretty insane
like literally I think PTW games might be less RNG
1 team could literally get RNG BIS full build level 3 on luck while another is rocking literally greens
theres literally nothing stopping teams from landing and teaming up on the top teams
like idk bro there certainly isn't balance and a lot of RNG
misty pond
there is RNG in the game, for example a boom box dropping randomly from a boar. But if ur better than someone u can kill them and get their item. Like beebo 1% should get removed from the game imo.
But in scrims the team that was seeded number 1 that got ninth didnt have anything to do with RNG. They didnt make the best decisions sometimes and got outskilled here and there. so it wasnt RNG at all. same with the team that WON abyssal cup: it is a completely new team that formed a week prior to abyssal cup and they won, like the highest teams didnt make it into top 3 so there sure is more skill disparity than ''the top 4 teams gap the bottom''
a team got boom box from boar, and tom kick got red guardian angel from a random mob at machine and both teams didnt make top 3
alpine ice
okay fair, but like do you think this has the makings of a competitive game atm with literally luck being such a massive difference that one side might have only pawns to play while the other is literally all queen pieces?
misty pond
so rng does have effect yes, but the impact that it has is overexxagerated
alpine ice
cause its literally that much
misty pond
okay fair, but like do you think this has the makings of a competitive game atm ...
oh no im all with you on that one, RNG is fun like the 4th roll that u can get from upgrading items. but red items dropping from a random mob or beebo 1% need to be removed asap
how can u fight a beebo and he gets 4 1% ROLLS IN A ROW, like that shouldnt even be a thing
alpine ice
Yeah I dont see a comp scene for this ever being taken serious as a player tbh
I wish they would focus on making fun content instea d
but what do I know honestly just how I feel
anyways I get both sides of the coin I just think changing scrim times for the sake of the peak hour players which is the bulk or at least was
is not an insane thing to propose if we want to have players
like why scrim during the best que times?
thats shit that should be happening during off hours not peak hours. Peak hours should be the peak of ranked que and it simply has become worse than 2 am games for ne
me
misty pond
yeah but then scrims would be too late aswell
people in EU have voted for the scrim times and everyone agrees on them
alpine ice
kinda think changing scrim times vs losing players easy choice
Like the devs literally gutted their game over que times, can you guys idk change the time so they don't just delete access to customs?
cause thats what they'll prolly do
misty pond
trust me sneekers, there will never be a point where the devs will delete acces to customs 💀
not enough crying in the world is going to change that
misty pond
Like the devs literally gutted their game over que times, can you guys idk chang...
and what would u think the scrim times should be at then
alpine ice
trust me sneekers, there will never be a point where the devs will delete acces ...
they literally removed squads for trios I think its all on the table ROFl
idk revote I dont play EU
not during the peak hours of the server
misty pond
what is peak in NA?
alpine ice
5-9 pm
misty pond
EU is 8-10
scrims
when is NA scrims?
if u do scrims at a later time then people wont play because they got work/school in the morning
if u play it earlier people cant because they have again work and school
so community voted on 8-10 and everyone likes it
I have not heard a guy complain about the q times of supervive ranked during scrim periods
while NA is even the more active Ranked community
as u can judge by the leaderboard
alpine ice
Na has less total players
I'm fairly certain or at least that was how it seemed when I played eu
Like EU had more total players but less skilled overall because of the player density (really good players at the very top, but a lot of casuals too), where as NA had less players overall but generally more high ranked players because there isn't many casual players in NA and therefore less casuals and less bad players overall if that makes sense.
our average gold player would dust yours
but your top 10 would probably beat ours
but idk because style is so different. EU players like playing a strategy game, and at least I as an NA player just want to ape everyone I see and ego them
I'd rather not play at all than play how most of EU plays from my experience.
except the shiv players
that 9-12 ping shiv mains over there seem to be having some serious fun
I dont know anyone in NA under 20 ping personally I'm sure there are some tho
I play on 40 -70 ping which would be pretty high from what I understand talking to the EU people I played with along the way
I think ping is literally a game changer simply due to responsiveness etc. But then I have to bend the knee cause Aidan comes to NA on 100+ ping and smerks so idk
misty pond
but idk because style is so different. EU players like playing a strategy game, ...
see this is just the exact opposite, in EU players are WAYYYY more agressive in scrims and tournamens than NA. NA plays way more team based an reactive instead of engaging.
Aidan is the only person that gets to have an opinion over this matter simply because he played both regions at a higher level
alpine ice
see this is just the exact opposite, in EU players are WAYYYY more agressive in ...
Personal experience that is cap
At least in the ranked bracket cap
alpine ice
Literally track stars everywhere in EU
misty pond
even ur casters have stated this
alpine ice
they'll start booking it when someone misses an R
misty pond
lmao
alpine ice
and literally be mad if you dont wait for it to come off cd
unironically
like straight face that happened a lot
misty pond
lmao
alpine ice
oath missed ult? thats 1 min of herbivore coming yourw ay
misty pond
yeah in master ranked maybe bro
but as I said ranked is completely useless in the game
if u think ranked matters
misty pond
thats just delusional
alpine ice
I do not have exp in scrims understandably I'm playing on 220 ping EU
I did get master 1
tho
misty pond
After last abyssal cup I talked with some casters, and they have stated this and on stream aswell that EU is WAYYY more agressive than NA and that NA plays the waiting game in scrims and tournaments
alpine ice
I have some exp in EU but I agree aidan is authority on this matter
misty pond
that 9-12 ping shiv mains over there seem to be having some serious fun
im having fun >:)
alpine ice
but I will say given how ranked was for me
I literally had to mute people
like I never do that
because they simply didn't like that I play for fun
I just told em not to rez me if i'm doing shit they don't like
but I swear to god I watched 2 of my teammates run away from a 200 health last standing KP
and say I was dumb for chasing
misty pond
anyways ur straying off topic man idc
alpine ice
you right you right
misty pond
thats not why were discussing here
misty pond
as you said earlier aidan is athority on this matter, and he has stated that EU is miles above NA and is incomparable
alpine ice
I literally went outta my way to clear entire swaths of bushes it was so frustrating
alpine ice
I think aidan is right
but yall play the game like its a job not fun at all
I think NA values the ego and fun of the game still and don't play enitrely optimal
for the sake of fun
I don't think EU players are having fun lol
the shivs and kp are
the rest
boreal ferry
You are telling me that people want to play the team game in a team enviroment for better practice? I am astounded. shocked
alpine ice
my heart goes out to them, idk why they feel they gotta play like that
i'm saying in ranked luke
boreal ferry
alpine ice
never played scrims
misty pond
well ur saying ''maybe'' but I have not heard anyone complain up to now untill you brought it up sneekers, u play NA so idk if ur perception of EU is the right one tbh
misty pond
maybe u are convinced that ur opinion is correct
alpine ice
I heard sooo many on my climb weird
misty pond
yep
alpine ice
I shoulda wrote down names
boreal ferry
Why would people choose to play normal ranked over scrims if they want to practice in a team environment
alpine ice
luke
I'm saying I climbed on EU ranked
and they play in a very unfun way
effective but incredibly unfun
misty pond
they only complained about having to solo q and that the ranked system is shit, not that they are not having fun in the certain way they are playing
alpine ice
and their comp scene is that on steroids IMO
misty pond
yeah but sneekers a climb to masters is not even a climb
alpine ice
Idk man I heard at least 10 different people complain about the notorious tom kick KP bush camp
misty pond
u can get to diamond by simply playing and getting top 10 every game
alpine ice
to be fair I simply lacked the ability to do more. 220 ping is brutal
alpine ice
playing EU made me practice macro
because I couldn't match mechanics
NA I can match mechanics so I ego
so I go for the fun over the better play
idk helped me as a player but actually saw some dog dirty rat coachroach shit on EU
that no NA player would be caught dead doing except cr4ck
alpine ice
just my exp all i'm speakjing on
misty pond
ive not heard any complains
alpine ice
my exp is not the standard
misty pond
alr
alpine ice
I should lead with that
misty pond
yep
alpine ice
I am simply stating on both sides my exp
on NA I think they would just get stomped by the shivs yall have
that 9 ping shiv was insane
I remember shroms
yall have some serious KP and Shiv mains
It would be cool to see everyone on low ping tho
I think NA could be that good but idk a single shiv playing NA on 10 ping or less
graceful mason
worlds of supervive would be so hype
graceful mason
we could finally settle the eu > na debate
boreal ferry
Phenom settled it
misty pond
I remember shroms
I think the only shiv uve seen is shroom or something xd
alpine ice
No I seen a few, but to be fair they can get their shit out so fast on EU it is a bit of a blurr. If it wasn't for dmg recap I might not even know LOL
I killed a lot of the others too, but he would give me the most trouble I suppose when thinkin back on it
hot chasm
you're my favorite shiv shin, even if sneekers doesn't know you
misty pond
❤️
lucid cliff
eu has the best kingpins and shivs
feral crane
a team got boom box from boar, and tom kick got red guardian angel from a random...
we won that game
feral crane
gg
misty pond
❤️
feral crane
amma gonna play him tomorrow
gonna have him in the pool for sure
but his kit is not good enough for current scrim meta
think he can be good in the future tho
astral sinew
this post
astral sinew
True thomas kickington
All I’m saying if I didn’t host scrims 80% of those players wouldn’t be playing the game 
I’m not queuing ranked rn that’s forsure
feral crane
facts
astral sinew
How many thumbs down for a post to be taken down cause this a low key kick to na scrim hosts, and I have been on my crash out arc so
feral crane
still wadi
Dont wanna go into it too much, but I think Carbine is going to be really good in later matchs of Tournaments to hold and secure positioning.
feral crane
Dont wanna go into it too much, but I think Carbine is going to be really good i...
but he just looses neutral hard against current meta. Holding dosent matter if you just get poked out
broken storm
Bad in eu good in na, cus like no one runs meta in na.
feral crane
na
still wadi
I mean, he does counter Oath a little bit, but more that he can Rat really well, and manipulate fights from a safe distance with his cage
feral crane
how does he counter oath?
still wadi
Oath cannot block his wall, and his ult disables hit shield/Does 75% of the shield on full health Oath
feral crane
Oath can just choose to not have shield up. The projectile from Carbine ult is super easy to see coming. Oath can just walk into the carbine wall to make space cuz of how short the stun duration is
storm surge
Oath cannot block his wall, and his ult disables hit shield/Does 75% of the shie...
do you understand what makes Oath strong?
still wadi
Oath can just choose to not have shield up. The projectile from Carbine ult is s...
It's still something, and there is definitely some merit to what he was to deal with an Oath.
feral crane
It's still something, and there is definitely some merit to what he was to deal ...
when you compare it to other hunters, then its nothing
broken storm
I feel like it wouldn't make sense to choose carbine to deal with oath. Since myth seems like she'd just deal with oath better. Then you also get massive poke with her rain.
astral sinew
can u guys stop having a civil conversation about meta and let me crash out
I’m joking but like 
feral crane
No:D
graceful mason
I think as every hunter, we should test it out and see how it goes in a competitive environnement before saying "it's a counter to X" or "I'd rather play Y". Apart from tom and major, no one touched carbine here so we'll have to wait :D
astral sinew
feral crane
I think as every hunter, we should test it out and see how it goes in a competit...
idk. Am 4 for 4 currently on meta predictions with new hunters. You see patterns very easy
still wadi
idk. Am 4 for 4 currently on meta predictions with new hunters. You see patterns...
Always a first time to be wrong 
feral crane
still wadi
But nah, I do agree that Tom usually get's it right, I just think there is definitely something with Carbine that could blow up
feral crane
i think Carbine is a very good hunter and has a lot of potensial. Ranked is probably gonna be very fun for him. But in scrims, he will struggle a lot. Not in NA scrims tho. They will probably think he is broken there
torn cove
Why is there a must pick tier with three heroes in it and only one is must pick according to the text (and Oath isn't in it)?
feral crane
NA:)
still wadi
TBH, with the variations in comps, NA seems a lot more fun to watch
broken storm
I love seeing Hudson put above kp, it's so funny.
broken storm
Still wondering who made the tierlist
It was afro. A lot of people disagreed when he made the original post iirc
torn cove
I'm curious if the whole tier list analysis / dogpiling of characters is getting maybe a little out of hand.
Like if you compare it to Smash Bros. Melee, yeah there's a top tier. For the longest time, Jigglypuff wasn't in it (was considered middle-low tier) until one player (Hbox) started destroying the meta with it. And in other cases, people are getting wins in tournaments with characters considered pretty subpar (Yoshi comes to mind).
That's in melee, a 1v1 game that is purely personal skill expression.
I guess I'd question if SV characters are so much more unbalanced that only a small fraction of the pool is truly viable.
You see it in scrims too, to a degree. Shrike players getting kills, which I'm led to believe just should never happen.
(I should caveat that that's just my musings, and I'm not a top player to back it up myself.)
astral sinew
only shrike player in scrims getting kills is pyn
still wadi
And same for Jigglypuff it was only HBox
broken storm
Sometimes it feels like people actually cannot handle that a hunter considered low tier might be decent. Too many people thonk shrike is simply unplayable and she is a useless hunter, then they will fight you to the death if you disagree.
astral sinew
Shrike is pretty bad
Pyn just hands diff you
Not like you specifically but ya know what I mean
Pyn has said this public’s as well so
still wadi
looks at title of my shrike video
astral sinew
No
still wadi
astral sinew
still wadi
Did you not see my shrike vid? D:
astral sinew
Nop
broken storm
I mean I'm not saying shrike is some s tier hunter. Just that she isn't useless. Cus people legit think she is useless.
For the most part you'd still prefer myth iver shrike but there is no reason you can't run shrike.
astral sinew
I can come up a lot of reason why you can’t run shrike but like I lack the brain power to do so rn
I’m eepy
Cause there’s another good shrike player in the comp scene that doesn’t play shrike for a lot of reasons
graceful mason
shrike is definitly hand diff only, and the reason NA has it so high is a combination of pyn being very strong + meta is a mess in NA so all the Oaths that should be countering shrike aren't there.
Not mentionning you can dive her freely and so much more reasons that make her bad
EU had some shrike players aswell, and they only saw light because of hand diffs
astral sinew
There are no good oath players actively playing in na teams rn
2/12 teams have oath
astral sinew
And those 2
graceful mason
isn't there a guy named podracing smth ? only na oath I know about
regal gazelle
Scrims bad -> NA vs EU -> What characters are OP
astral sinew
Hi treadzy
regal gazelle
What a discussion thread
astral sinew
It’s so funny right
graceful mason
hey treadzy
astral sinew
alpine ice
I just set the table, the people bring the atmosphere, food, and drink
astral sinew
Rage bait
astral sinew
On a high key note, don’t be stepping on na scrim hosts and to’s
We put in a lot of work for the community
still wadi
TBH, if I have a teammate who says their Shrike is better then their Myth No matter how good Myth is I would rather then be on Shrike. I'm a big believer of player comfort vs power
still wadi
Dill0n putting in the work
astral sinew
I keep note brah
torn cove
Out of curiosity, continuing the tangent, has there been an international event(s) for SV (in a ping-fair manner IE: in-person / LAN connected)? Are the metas completely silo'd ATM?
astral sinew
Crash out arc 
graceful mason
am just an EU player but I can see Dill0n efforts, mad respect to the dude
grave patrol
was pretty funny when Dillion started scrims and teams had missing (late) players
alpine ice
And I don’t appreciate posts like this
I dont appreciate you not moving scrims so I can play mid day without a 10 min que
but alas
we will both compromise and make sweet love this afternoon
graceful mason
Out of curiosity, continuing the tangent, has there been an international event(...
never has been for now, game not big enough to justify flying 36 people to a location to ensure ping fairness
astral sinew
Idrc about your pubs brah
alpine ice
Idrc about your pubs brah <:xdd:1248722409239089213>
You better or I wont lend you a venue one day
alpine ice
eww
torn cove
never has been for now, game not big enough to justify flying 36 people to a loc...
Yeah understandable. I wasn't sure if something would've been organized early on or not (since it had a pretty explosive launch, looking at their numbers).
graceful mason
Yeah understandable. I wasn't sure if something would've been organized early o...
There was multiple online events organized though
It was before open beta release and played on EU / NA servers back and forth to make it seemingly fair
graceful mason
It was before open beta release and played on EU / NA servers back and forth to ...
but it's like 6 months away now, the competitve communities have grown and evolved so much I wouldn't say that those showmatches / tournament matters to the actual power level of regions
astral sinew
can really see what region is the best
graceful mason
would be so hype
alpine ice
<:xdd:1248722409239089213> can really see what region is the best
They have 3 different locations in US
League hosts events here
when not at their main facility during start up
graceful mason
but realistically, to have NA people fly to EU or vice versa, the event would need at least 10k$ prize pool + official game coverage
alpine ice
and also during wild rift
tardy elbow
Still wondering who made the tierlist
Afro
still wadi
I wish the game were only about Hands diff
tardy elbow
But yeah na is giga dog shit bc half the teams don’t know how to position or play neutral
still wadi
What's "Neutral"?
alpine ice
Na is just ready for the future meta
tardy elbow
When 2 teams are at a stand off
fervent jewel
alpine ice
where they will remove all the minions, you will drop full build and max level, and play like that
It will just be an apeathon
astral sinew
Oiyoiy new addition to cat gif
still wadi
When 2 teams are at a stand off
I shoulda added /s I know what Neutral is lol
still wadi
Used to do a lot of showmatches and played comp Smash for a long time lol
tardy elbow
OOOOO I GET THE JOKE I GET IT
But yeah idk yesterday I got to end game and mb had 5 red items double soul with red and gold armor
still wadi
Macro Battlegrounds
tardy elbow
Not even, they just got drop and with bc they have strike
And then just get every red bc no team has kp and can contest an objective
still wadi
Yea, jokes aside I do think NA is relying WAY to much on Hand's diff to win matches
astral sinew
fighting hight when he has red armor + red weps day 2
lucid cliff
they dont know they dont have to fight everything xd
astral sinew
lucid cliff
if are fighting is either for position,objective,farm etc
or if u have a strong advantage
if not its too coinflip
tardy elbow
they dont know they dont have to fight everything xd
Eh not even, when they are that strong they just take any good fight
With knowledge of position
lucid cliff
its better to take early position than to fight without a clear reason
lucid cliff
Mb push their advantage really well
yeah but this is cause either other teams dont contest or fight without a reason or in disadvantagr
astral sinew
frick that hight guy
lucid cliff
high gets to play brall cause people dont actually know macro
and he has better hands
if people played correct macro brall would be shit
still wadi
I used to be on MB
astral sinew
He utilizes brall pretty well in fights with his double range
still wadi
For one tournament
astral sinew
Securing wisps or creating space for his team to fight
lucid cliff
He utilizes brall pretty well in fights with his double range
yeah but in eu theres blackrog (idk if the best brall) and he CANT play brall
literally he cant play it
astral sinew
I do be watching eu
still wadi
Hight makes Brall always look op, the GBOAT
astral sinew
Na linger on edge a lot more compared to eu
Thus playing more scrappy
And no oaths really so brall shines
lucid cliff
and when we actually played with an oath we did a top 3 in scrims
3-4 dont remember
im actually thinking on playing oath
but its boring
still wadi
Played with Hight on a solo que game a few weeks ago, he had his name hidden, like halfway through the match I went "That's you Hight, aint it" cause he is so specialized in how good he is at Brall 
lucid cliff
Na linger on edge a lot more compared to eu
playing Edges is always better
cosmic timber
im actually thinking on playing oath
yes, join the dark side
lucid cliff
cause u dont need that much info
if u play middle u need either a comp that is hard to engage in,or lots of info
if u play "crowded"
u need a good engage comp
or a lot of sustain
zeph eva
and rotation capability
im triying to do a macro guide for this game with some friends
astral sinew
There’s advantages to edge and zone gameplay
lucid cliff
cause im not the best at macro, i just know this cause tom kick coached me
(vouch tom coach btw)
astral sinew
Meta def leans towards one or the other imo
lucid cliff
edge is the best for sure
but if u hold center
u are gonna be in the next zone edge 80%
tho if u play edge
u maiby arent in zone and habe to rotate
this means u are gonna rotate into a center team
still wadi
You guys out here edging?
lucid cliff
and a comp with Eva Kingpin Shiv is pretty imposible to engage
austere crow
And no oaths really so brall shines
frick beebo brah oath playable
lucid cliff
You guys out here edging?
edging peak
astral sinew
Oiyoiy who summoned him
lucid cliff
https://tenor.com/view/shocked-cat-cat-terrified-terrified-cat-slow-turn-cat-gif-4978763947381471476
astral sinew
still wadi
Oiyoiy who summoned him
He's been here the whole time
tardy elbow
Can’t leak brah can’t leak
still wadi
once u kno u kno
feral crane
(vouch tom coach btw)
😼 my students are learning and climbing😼
lucid cliff
alpine ice
if are fighting is either for position,objective,farm etc
dang dog you missed a reason fun :]
lucid cliff
dang dog you missed a reason fun :]
is fun for u to die for no reason
just cause u were bored and decided "o yeah lets fight this strong af team cause im getting bored"
so u grieff all of the game
is this what u mean
alpine ice
I play this game for fun. I might play sub optimally but I promise I've never lost a game, because my team always has fun.
So yes I would gladly entertain a fight that you might not. But thas the carnivore in me and the herbivore in you.
If I'm bored its because bad game design where they decided to take this great heavy movement heavy momentum game and make it a slow shitty experience where no one will fight because "no reason" Lil bro we playing this game for literally no reason.
Im just trying to hold out for ranked arenas :'[
I'd trade scrims for ranked arenas, but i'd also trade the br for it lol.
So i'm not the majority here
Anyways some sneekers gaming philosophy for yah. I be aping
lucid cliff
So yes I would gladly entertain a fight that you might not. But thas the carnivo...
no, its the will to win
alpine ice
I've never lost
lucid cliff
XD
alpine ice
I always win because I always have fun
alpine ice
imagine playing so boring then getting gapped and having a bad time meanwhile me and the bros are in tears crackin dad jokes and shit.
now also imagine playing so boring gapping us and we still in that bitch with the bro in tears cracking dad jokes lol
Can't lose, but I can see how someone who wants to play your way might be frustrated and therefore not enjoying things
lucid cliff
gl fighting competitive team bud
alpine ice
may I ask what your name is in game?
lucid cliff
imagine playing so boring then getting gapped and having a bad time meanwhile me...
i mean in a competitive enviroment btw
lucid cliff
may I ask what your name is in game?
reval#2222
alpine ice
same winrate
lucid cliff
i dont even play ranked anymore
alpine ice
just sayin and this might be my main but far from my best performance idk
alpine ice
We got different approaches its all G
lucid cliff
i had 50> winrate
lucid cliff
in ranked u are playing vs bots anyways
alpine ice
meanwhile
I'm 40 alts deep trying to stop myself from getting masters again on another acc so I can play with friends lol
Idk big dog.
pine zenith
I was wondering about the origins of this post until I remembered OP flaming in soloq off drop
lucid cliff
u play vs bot ma boy
alpine ice
Gm 1800 rp last season
I do okay
brother I've been master 1 on EU you play against bots too
master 1 with 220 ping idk my boy
rank doesn't matter tho truly understand that
I will eventually try dabbling in scrims
lucid cliff
it matters if u are talking about winrate
alpine ice
even at 220 ping and see. Not doubting you might be right even, just saying I get to have fun and win
lucid cliff
meanwhile im leyend playing with 2 bots as teammates
lucid cliff
but you are saying u play like this in ranked
alpine ice
The lobbies are the same lobbies
alpine ice
I plan to and do
alpine ice
word word well I'll let you know my team is when I find it
maybe I'll sub or something and we'll see
Personally tho I dont find that appealing
lucid cliff
yeah works,maiby at some point u will find a good team,idk how u play and what u playbut i wish u the best
alpine ice
I am a jack of all trades
I've pretty much gotten masters on every char, on EU I was random only to Master 1
I'm just not incredibly gifted on any one char
I've got some clout on oath but I think those people nuts LOL
I hope the game moves in a more fun direction and less competitive personally
lucid cliff
i mean if u play oath sometime will get u fr
lucid cliff
I hope the game moves in a more fun direction and less competitive personally
i will like a mix yk
kinda like lol
alpine ice
I just want ranked arenas personally
lucid cliff
more casual
alpine ice
See LOL to me is a chore
Farm 20 mins to have the entire game decided in 4
I'd prefer to just have the fun without the grindy herbivore stuff
just gimme the meat
you know? but I get it I'm not the primary audience you are x]
I respect the way yall play
I just want my way respected too
I actually have a Diamond 1 account that I do not kill minions on
only people
its a lil challenge
Kinda fun tbh
very very difficult not gonna lie you go into poverty easily if people dont drop to fight, but gah damn I be giggling and have a blast
lucid cliff
Farm 20 mins to have the entire game decided in 4
its not that simple but yeah i get what u say
alpine ice
I was challenger season 4 and played in challenger series
Idk games changed a lot I suck now LOL, but it also isn't fun anymore
I rarely see a smile in that game its like a dementor
Been there done that I guess. I would love to play sometime maybe even some friendly 1v1s hmu. Lets go ape some kids x]
i'm truly only playing BR holding out for ranked arena 
lucid cliff
idk since soloq restriction i dont play
its kinda shit ngl
for practise with team and all of that
alpine ice
I guess for practice its bad, but for the health of game very good. Same thing with dropping scrims for now. Good for game, bad for practice.
subtle rapids
soloq is isolation training for mechs and outplaying scenarios where you are objectively at a disadvantage from a resource/positioning standpoint, which is a very important skill that's probably relevant at least once or twice in a scrim block even if your team's macro is crisp enough to generally be ahead of the resource curve
alpine ice
the cycle seems to be: The matchmaking is bad because player count, the player count is bad because que times, que times are bad because customs, duos, and squads needing 4 instead of 3 peoople, meaning player count is bad, reapeat.
It was just a suggestion for yall, we really can't do shit until the owner decides to actually run an advert campaign so people even know this game exists to begin with
storm surge
the last campaign they did was kind of a failure with not much to debate as to why, I suspect they will do one last marketing push right before launch and then the studio either does comeback of the century or announces it closure 3 weeks later
alpine ice
that was literally my thoughts too
feral crane
I guess for practice its bad, but for the health of game very good. Same thing w...
Might be the case for NA, but EU community is very happy when scrims are on, cuz the queues are not as stomp and people feel like its more even. Our queues are very healthy at evenings. So scrims has been a positive thing for the server
torn cove
I think the indirect effect of scrims on the game's visibility can't be understated (internationally).
People casting and creating media of high-end content drives traffic to these games. If you just remove that, you lose a growth channel.
dapper cypress
the cycle seems to be: The matchmaking is bad because player count, the player c...
scrims arent gonna fix queuee times advertisement will but we waiting
winged nimbus
I think the indirect effect of scrims on the game's visibility can't be understa...
Any tournaments on my channel (I stream no other content currently for the moment by the way) are consistently some of the best performing SUPERVIVE content on Twitch. I want to say on Lemur, Tom Kick and Nidhogg rival those numbers consistently.
This isn't meant to be a flex of any kind, it's a demonstration of how much people enjoy watching SUPERVIVE played at the highest level. That number explodes if you include bigger content creators which is why the Creator Cup popped off in the way it did (and that was truly dreadful SUPERVIVE in all honesty).
hidden cliff
bro,most of the people that play scrims dont play ranked
Was about to say exactly this
Half the NA scrim players dont even q ranked. If not more than half.
slate ingot
I love watching supervive. I do think when the playerbase is bigger and rewards are tied to end of season rank it will make people actually play. Right now it's peak legend and chill since you get everything automatically
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