Season Zero: Eva + Trios + Ranked Reset & Split Megathread

[young bone]

the tether does some wacky stuff based on the speed you are moving on the Z axis

[loud harbor]

I see red clouds they're just very very faint

[young bone]

yeah, i like using the audio so i can focus on the balloon stuff, hopefully the red clouds help ya i go sleep now GL

[loud harbor]

No matter what this is gonna make it harder for me to focus on other things while in the abyss. My abyss skills quite literally got nerfed :(

[loud harbor]

Night improving.

[heady wigeon]

Yes bro im aware thats what i just said

just drop it it seems to be too complicated to understand. while many other things are skipped regarding what i said but its np

[loud harbor]

Also about this stuff. It seems like other people sometimes just fall into the abyss too. So seems like it isn't only effecting me based off of that.

[loud harbor]

Hm, insulting cus toilet said he doesn't think it'd be good to bring back old xeph bhoping even if it was in the circumstances you said.

Then you'll prob start arguing with me about this as well.
I get sometimes I'm like this but I feel like I'm never this bad.

[heady wigeon]

No… he legit doesnt understand what im saying. What else do i make of it.

[heady wigeon]

Idk im explaining multiple times what im talking about but instead of understanding i get arguement or smthng which makes no sense. How u approach bhop now just like i saw him do in his games, is the same exact thing every single time, he used dashe and then bhops. A habit to the point of dying in critical moments because dash is not up. Why does this happen? Because players get used to “abusing” the easy way to bhop causing ppl not even be aware of using abilities incorrectly. On top of that the other useages of his bhop are not present from what i watched. So while yes u are slowed on each bhop u do which is basically stacking as i just said, matter of fact is that instead of instigating each bhop by using his shift first he could start it from standing or moving in directions. Then when the slow becomes detrimental u dash, jump at the end to extend movement optionally use a power and u are ready to bhop again and repeat effectively amounting to the same as what i suggest in terms of speed. Why? Cos what im suggesting requires u to think more than what most people are already NOT doing. And unlike bhopping then dashing etc what i am saying wont allow u to do this or is near the same because he wouldnt be able to go around corners x y z as easily already nullifying effectiveness. Other option bhops restrict glider meaning “ abusing “ bhop has no purpose since the longer u are using it the longer the punishment. Thats something u have to keep in mind as ur moving around the map otherwise: bhop bhop bhop > enemy found dash + glide not possible so what then? Continue bhopping and screw yourself against most of the other champs? U get to make one agro play and then all u have to escape engage is ur dash and then u are fkd. Right now? There is no punishment cos u can mostly or with a very small window that it does still affect u nullify the slow by again thinking more about ur abilities which high ranked players apparantly dont do. Any other questions im happy to andwer but im getting tired XD

[loud harbor]

Why'd you even type all that? There's no way you think I'm actually gonna read it.

[heady wigeon]

Then just stay quiet ig if reading is too hard

[loud harbor]

And if he doesn't understand it i feel like you could just be like "you don't understand but idk how to explain it" instead of kind of calling him an idiot...

[heady wigeon]

But i did explain it xD

[loud harbor]

You seriously expect me to waste 5 minutes of my life reading something for no reason? Like what

[heady wigeon]

U choose to enter convo i explain, then say i should say that idk how to explain

avoiding any insults h ere

im being nice

And my first message about all this shit

Explained what im talking about

And others understood it

So its legit not my problem

[stuck nexus]

hey mate it seems you have accidentally typed Ghost in nerfs, this character actually needs a buff. hope this helps! ❤️ ❤️

hey safelocked, big fan! it seems you have misspelled buffs!

[still lodge]

u guys cant be real with this ghost nerfs its insane when myth and ghost been a problem and busted since alpha and noone doing anything about it ghost is legit not playable when myth oath bishop exists

[stuck nexus]

the top 5 ghost players in the game have switched character but we should surely nerf him hes "the run and gun battlemage" source: trust me bro he killed me one time

during the devtalk i heard "we look at the top 1% of players to balance" this means 15 people in total and i can get all 15 of them to vouch that ghost is weak rn

[heady hawk]

This is Just a Hidden oath buff because He is getting bunny hop removed so we need less Champs that are good Into him now

I mean Not Like it Matters

Noone is playing Ghost anyways

[stuck nexus]

im gonna go to vods of every scrims / tournament played in the last 2 weeks

and write down the stats of every hunter picked

i think ghost has to be below 5 total picks over 20 games

[heady hawk]

Synoyd Plays him Sometimes

[stuck nexus]

this hunter is only "good" in ranked because every team has 2 silver players randomly

[heady hawk]

He is the only Player that does tho

[still lodge]

wouldnt say ghost is weak but he for sure isnt strong

[heady hawk]

Ghost is really good If you Run Into him in a Choke and use your movement ability to Gap Close and dont Happen to have another Button to Dodge Ghosts m2

[dim stag]

ghost nerfs before kp/myth nerfs is peak content

[heady hawk]

We should Nerf Felix as Well tbh

[stuck nexus]

i mean i was about to quit the game but now that ghost is being nerfed i can finally play a healthy meta

😻

[heady hawk]

And Hudson

[dim stag]

true im sick of this champion running every game

[stuck nexus]

tired of seeing ghost, hudson and eva in every comp

[heady hawk]

That Champion Deals so much damage If you stand still in Front of him

[stuck nexus]

dont forget shrike

how this character isnt nerfed since november is beyond me

[heady hawk]

Yeah shrike is unbeatable

[dim stag]

can we buff shrike shift please

I dont want it to have a charge up time and a cast time

[heady hawk]

Maybe nerf it instead

[dim stag]

atleast remove the charge up time

AMEN

[heady hawk]

Make it so you cant shoot before shifting and then flicking the shot

Also only give her Level 4 Shift CD reduction instead of reset on hit

Character never gets caught with a reset Like that :)

Actually mb i am getting ragebaited by Devs

[rocky topaz]

nvm misread that

[rocky topaz]

Ghost has the highest pickrate in the game, both in the top 100 players, and just in general

[stuck nexus]

you are speaking to top100 players right now

[heady hawk]

And?

[stuck nexus]

you are literally saying this to one of the best ghost players in the game bro LOL

[still plover]

I think ghost might need very MINOR nerfs he is strong but I think oath should be dealt with and the meta should be adjusted from there

at high elo everything revolves around oath

[rocky topaz]

Yea, they have confirmed that Oath is getting adjusted, at least his stupid B-Hop

Ghost is more that he is just not fun to play against

[heady hawk]

That doesnt fix anything

[still plover]

those adjustments dont fix issues

[stuck nexus]

in return he can now shield while gliding 🙂

1 step forward, 2 steps back on oath nerfs

[heady hawk]

Like how is Ghost unfun to Play against?

[stuck nexus]

as always

[dim stag]

Oath is by far the best champion in the game, and removing bhopping wont change that or even remotely question his spot as uncontested

[rocky topaz]

Does "At least" not mean anything :L

[still plover]

Oath even after those fixes will still be the most picked hunter in comp

How can you change the meta when the character that has defined it since before open beta even released is at the top of the food chain still

[stuck nexus]

if you are removing oaths bhop, you do NOT need to give him anything in return

[heady hawk]

we have Like 5 really big Problem Champs that the whole Meta of the Game revolves around

[stuck nexus]

this character needs a straight up nerf.

[heady hawk]

Ghost might be good If those 5 are gone

[stuck nexus]

Oath, Myth, Bishop, Kingpin

[still plover]

I mean Ghost is skill expressive at least and tbh I dont think he is that oppressive if you see him long dash he has clear and obvious punish windows

[rocky topaz]

Ghost hits you with grenade, you are dead, doesn't matter if it was wall or directly on you, the skill required to make plays with ghost has lowered extremely IMO.

[heady hawk]

No

Thats Just untrue

If He Hits a Wall with nade

Stuns you nearby

Then yes

[dusk scroll]

Not saying i played it well when i played KP, but it's the lmb to death that is pretty boring

[heady hawk]

If He Hits you directly and you dont have a Dash Sure

[stuck nexus]

if you die to ghost you played bad

i hate to pull out this statement but its just true

not saying ghost is weak

but he is the most fair hunter to play against

everything he does is telegraphed

[heady hawk]

Thats arena

In Arena i Agree Ghost is good

[still plover]

I mean ghost is strong in BR

I would say he is A tier

[still lodge]

are NA really this delusional

its insane

[still plover]

but I think people are being dramatic about how OP he is

[heady hawk]

He is OK i would say

[still lodge]

ghost is NOT strong

[quiet bridge]

I think it's crazy to change your mind about how strong a character is on a basis of a thing they've literally always been able to do

[heady hawk]

But He is Just pretty underwhelming and conditional compared to the Meta

[dusk scroll]

i love how everyone use this statement to make their argument means something

[still plover]

I mean I think Myth + Oath + Bishop are probably stronger right now

but I think ghost is pretty solid

like I said I wouldnt do anything to him right now

[dusk scroll]

"you got hook by KP, u suck"

[still plover]

maybe some VERY minor adjustments

[still lodge]

ethan if he was strong i would play it

[still plover]

I mean I would play it if myth didnt exist

[heady hawk]

I would play him If He wasnt bugged

[still lodge]

he doesnt need buffs but he definitely doesnt need nerfs

[still plover]

I would be fine if they lowered his 10 first shot damage and put some of that damage into his base lmb

[still lodge]

like nerf ghost sure bout how about we nerf myth oath bishop first

[still plover]

so he wasnt as burst heavy on the front end

if people are malding about ttk

[tribal stone]

man EU is so unnecessarily rude

[plucky cloak]

You guys know who's really strong and needs a nerf, this saros character!

[tribal stone]

not all EU but always EU

[quiet bridge]

Regionwar!!!

[still lodge]

brother

[still plover]

Im not rude to americans because I understand its a culture difference

[still lodge]

dashing exists

[still plover]

but If it was only other europeans here I would be a lot more blunt tbh

[still lodge]

true

[stuck nexus]

you literally have one of the biggest egos in the community

[tribal stone]

yes and

[plucky cloak]

Treadzy no longer sees me as American I'm really one of you guys now 🥲

[stuck nexus]

just yesterday i was in vc with somebody from the NA scene and you specifically were mentioned atleast 10 times

[tribal stone]

that does not mean I am rude :D

[stuck nexus]

by YOUR OWN REGIONS PLAYER

[still lodge]

how is saying the truth rude

[heady hawk]

Dont get ragebaited

[stuck nexus]

dont put up ur virtue signaling in here afro

[tribal stone]

?????

like what are you on about

[rocky topaz]

The issue with ghost is that his damage no longer requires him to do anything special, his mobility is kinda insane, and if you are caught out in any way then you cant do anything against him. I aint talking from a top player perspective, I know I aint the best, he just aint fun to play against, same with Myth, and Oath.

[still lodge]

we need reval in here

[dusk scroll]

who forgot to give luca his meds again ?

[stuck nexus]

ive seen you play and i know you are good at the game, doesnt change the fact your balancing opinions are absolutely terrible 9/10 times and if the devs take these takes seriously, it will further result in the games death

[tribal stone]

bro

[stuck nexus]

also khyzaro is mad cus i left his team after he inted me 10 games in a row

[still lodge]

do u play the game?

[tribal stone]

like u r not real

[still lodge]

honest question

[tribal stone]

holy shit

[heady hawk]

Why do you think His Mobility is insane?

[quiet bridge]

I don't understand
In the past he used to hit nade and lmb you and if you can't escape it kills you
Now he has to hit nade (through hitting wall) and then lmb you and if you can't escape it kills you
What's changed?

[still lodge]

8sec dash isnane mobility

[tribal stone]

I will hold my tongue to show I am better than u in that 👼

[rocky topaz]

Its' damn near impossibly to escape from him mid fight if he built right

[still plover]

'his mobility is insane' not true compared to the rest of the SV cast. Also his damage burst damage is gated behind A. Hitting a nade (more specifically wall nade so he can punish) B. Shooting you with the start of his magazine.

[heady hawk]

With what Champ is it Impossible

[quiet bridge]

Ghost has always been extremely "not doing very special stuff"

[heady hawk]

Eva?

[still lodge]

its like if ghost hits and ability he kills u

xd same with everyone else

[stuck nexus]

this game is amazing but the path its heading down is just not worth putting my energy into anymore

[still plover]

I can make the same argument for KP currently that you are making for ghost

if he hooks half the cast

they dont have fun

[stuck nexus]

i was always passionate and hopeful the balance will take a step in the right direction

[still lodge]

ye kp hits hook ur dead

[stuck nexus]

everytime i open this discord i realize why the game is dying

[still lodge]

joule rmb into wall ur dead

[rocky topaz]

TBH, its the fact that he doesn't need to hit the wall to 100-0 you, the fact that there are less people on your team means where are less possible targets to take the shots and damage, and it just does not feel good to fight against, like at all, again, this is just me

[still lodge]

ur not real

u can hide behind wall dash away

wdym

[dusk scroll]

luca not dooming the game for less than 30 sec challenge : impossible

[stuck nexus]

its crazy how 3-4 users are responsible for 90% of ragebait in here

[stuck nexus]

you not dying in 11th place for 3 games in a row challenge:

[sand flame]

hey eu player here, we do not own luca

[quiet bridge]

I mean first point is just incorrect no? And I'm not sure you ever really dealt with ghost by body blocking with teammates?
I guess it's true that getting a pick is more valuable in 3v3 than 4v4 but that's true for like every character lol and ghost isn't even the best at getting picks

[still lodge]

its just not true

[heady hawk]

Ok scenario

Ghost Hits you with m2

[stuck nexus]

ive said nothing wrong in this channel

[quiet bridge]

I'm also confused how it's just you like these are things that should be universally true no?

[tribal stone]

good 2 know I think guy just has problems

[heady hawk]

Directly

[still lodge]

like every 10th nade i hit is maybe 1 kill

[heady hawk]

You Dash Back

What does He do?

[stuck nexus]

well u managed to find the 2 people most passionate about hating me

u could get lilmeap aswell he doesnt like me either

[sand flame]

i just don't like how you are presenting yourself

[dusk scroll]

you mean that ?

[stuck nexus]

if u want a proper circlejerk

[tribal stone]

time to ignore

[still lodge]

dashin into the enemy team and kills everyone ofc

[sand flame]

i know what you mean but it could be more civil

[heady hawk]

Enemy Team is bishop oath myth

With 3 Well coordinated players

[still lodge]

i just hate when people cant argue like say ur point and ignore everything else

its just not real

[still plover]

I mean idk go practice get blue items his damage seems fine compared to other hunters

even from playing I thought it was fine

[sand flame]

yea i think ghost is fine aswell

[tribal stone]

I agree with major that ghost can hit a base nade on you, no wall, and the slow means he 100-0s you very consistently

in NA pubs

[stuck nexus]

in NA pubs

[still lodge]

ghost nade is one of the hardest to hit like idk what we sayin here

[tribal stone]

that feels bad

[still lodge]

ah i see

the bot lobbies

[heady hawk]

Are we talking solo q?

[sand flame]

eh, i wouldnt say its the hardest to hit

[still plover]

I mean they are nerfing him eitherway and tbh I dont really care but this seems like skill issue tbh

[tribal stone]

lol

there it is

[still lodge]

we got to the poinr

[sand flame]

its not exactly easy but like...

[heady hawk]

Like actual Bots?

[stuck nexus]

please answer me this: is it not the same with myth hitting her rmb / joule hitting her Q? @tribal stone

[tribal stone]

nah these players got such egos its wild

[rocky topaz]

That's entirely why I am talking about, I never talk about scrims cause I do not think it's healthy to balance around scrims

[frosty leaf]

[tribal stone]

come play NA lobbies and tell me it's bots 😄

[still lodge]

well then game unplayable at high elo gg

[heady hawk]

I dont think its healthy to Balance around solo q either

Especially lower elos

[loud harbor]

Man i wish people acted like this when Hudson was strong, then he'd still be strong. Cus supposedly losing ti someone when they hpld 1 button and delete you is ok.

[still lodge]

lets balance around people saying shrike is op

[dusk scroll]

buff shrike

[rocky topaz]

You kinda have to balance around everyone

[still lodge]

?

[stuck nexus]

its not healthy to balance around the current state of the game (soloque limitations in trios) because every team has 2 silvers, characters like brall and jin "thrive" in ranked because of this

[still lodge]

xdd

[stuck nexus]

if i play ghost in ranked rn i can consistantly get wins, in scrims not at all

[still plover]

True which Is why I said just adjust his damage and take damage away from his first ten bullets and put that damage into the rest of his magazine

[heady hawk]

Also If we are balancing around solo q

[still lodge]

kp oath myth joule all can do the same thing

[still plover]

if you want less burst

[stuck nexus]

because teams dont randomly have 2 silvers on them

[still plover]

that is literally the fix

[heady hawk]

How are we Not buffing the weak Chars?

[rocky topaz]

I think this is 100% fine, I really don't like getting bursted by a sustained damage hunter

[still plover]

ghost is a burst character

with a poke ability

[still lodge]

its not ok

the whole thing around ghost

is to 100 to 0

like idk

not real

[still plover]

I mean yeah to kill people you throw grenade and shoot them

and you pressure people with laser

[sand flame]

that is literally what a burst charactrer is... 100 to 0

[still lodge]

exactly

[still plover]

use ult to follow up on stuns / zone or whatever

[still lodge]

like idk whats the argument here

[still plover]

character isnt that complicated

[still lodge]

i legit think ghost is the perfect balanced char rn

[heady hawk]

Kp is better at oneshotting than Ghost with Double Tank

[still lodge]

average dmg average mobility average poke

[tribal stone]

classic KP callout

[heady hawk]

Ghost has the best Designed Kit imo

[still plover]

I mean I think he has clear weakness

[heady hawk]

He is very fair

Has strengths and weaknesses

[tribal stone]

think u guys need to realize that different regions play different heroes

[still lodge]

if u cant react to a ghost nade ur just bad thats it

[tribal stone]

like NA sees 0 KP despite tom kick putting him at Z tier

[heady hawk]

Na has more than lemurs Team?

[sand flame]

we put him consistently at B tier, he just works great in a good team

[still lodge]

ye i saw the scrim comps

[tribal stone]

I beat lemurs team :)

so yes!!

[rocky topaz]

And that aint a problem, people are gunna be bad at the game, it's gunna always happen, but their enjoyment of the game is also important to the devs and games health.

[still lodge]

if an EU team would come to an NA scrim they woukd just win every lobby with oath myth bishop

[rocky topaz]

yea!

[tribal stone]

come do it then

whenever an EU team comes they get 6th

[still plover]

Aidan has already won in NA I dont see any americans ever come to EU

[still lodge]

well not on ping lil bro

[rocky topaz]

Lol I cannot wait to see OC win this next event with Eva

Gunna be hilarious

[plucky cloak]

I mean I won't lie if there was no ping diff I agree we went over with Dan bridges and won lobbies

[tribal stone]

guess 6th is best u can do

[stuck nexus]

ive played 2 scrimblocks and 1 tournament on NA, i actually respect how you guys play over there allot, its much more passive and coordinated, but at the same time i would describe it as "not willing to take any risks" characters like ghost work better over there because you are scared of overextending, allowing him to reliably poke you down with lasers or get a good rmb angle, much more difficult on EU when most engages are very all-in

[dim stag]

What eu team has played?

[still lodge]

on normal ping

[dim stag]

Just out of curiosity

idk what team played

because i need to make fun of that team

[still lodge]

if there was a lobby of top 12 teams eu would be like top 10 no flame

[sand flame]

aidan, sprocaine played a couple times i think

[heady hawk]

Ok get an NA Team to win an eu Tournament/scrims multiple Times

[dim stag]

well

we said eu team

not random eu players getting togheter

[stuck nexus]

if i try to play ghost in scrims right now i will have catgirlcafemanager slamming me with full gliderjet jumppad momentum and im back to lobby

[dim stag]

idk about random eu players thats w/e

[plucky cloak]

We rag tagged teamed last second it was me Aidan Dan and klerny and we came 3rd running terrible comp

[dim stag]

yeah but we are not a team

[stuck nexus]

if i dodge that its a oath slamming me instead

[dim stag]

we are just random eu players chilling

[still lodge]

brother sprocaine and dan bridges won a game i think the argument ends there

[frosty leaf]

Why are we having this debate? With the ping diff there's literally no point to comparing the two imo

[plucky cloak]

Ik that's part of why I said it we also had never played scrims together or as 4 before that

[dim stag]

I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT EU TEAM PLAYED NA SCRIMS SO I CAN MAKE FUN OF THEM

THIS IS ALL

[still lodge]

randoms

[dim stag]

BUT NOONE IS SAYING ANY EU TEAM

[still lodge]

dan spro aidan played

[dim stag]

thats not a team

who cares

[still lodge]

ye a team didnt play

a normal team

[plucky cloak]

Klerny was there and we weren't a team

[dim stag]

So then no eu team went over?????

[still lodge]

not a comp team no just friends making a random team

[dim stag]

There is a na team in the eu abyssal cup

[plucky cloak]

Also I'm American so I should be biased towards NA but EU players are just better NGL

[dim stag]

lets see their performance

[stuck nexus]

devs waking up to try and read this chat

[dim stag]

I mean you guys are coping abit tbh

[stuck nexus]

😭

[dim stag]

the best eu teams and best na teams are pretty similair I would imagine

[stuck nexus]

good megathread for the patch guys

[dusk scroll]

Dan can't be trusted. Here's the proof he kills his teammates without remorse

[still lodge]

ye like top3 maybe then its just eu

[dim stag]

I mean sure

but that would make it top 6 already that are pretty similair

even in eu its like what 3 teams running most lobbies

[still lodge]

as i said if u make a 12 team lobby eu would be atleast 9of them

[tribal stone]

yea and fortunately I've been playing on one of if not the best NA teams for a couple months now, so getting ego'd this hard by a low-mid tier EU player is a little crazy 2 me

[bitter slate]

Oiyoiyoiyiiy rage bait brah

[dim stag]

well i think its because you run a dogshit comp no?

[tribal stone]

true tn

hi tn ❤️

[bitter slate]

Hi Afro ❤️

[dim stag]

if u run some dogshit like that eu u would get stomped

atleast if eu players did

[tribal stone]

our comp has explicit planning behind it

[uncut ravine]

get a supervive world cup already

so the frauds can be cooked

[tribal stone]

u just don't have the hands for it sry bud

[heady hawk]

doesnt NA fill their scrims and tournaments with like 9 bot teams and it comes down to who can farm bots most efficiently?

[dim stag]

I mean thats what I said could be the case right

hence why "if eu players did"

[still lodge]

whats the comp

[plucky cloak]

Holy is that the best bishop player in the world can I get an autograph

[dim stag]

Anyways back to important stuff

[uncut ravine]

hi boo boo only if i can get it from the saros goat himself

[dim stag]

shrike instant shift

whos with me?

[uncut ravine]

hahahah klerny

[heady hawk]

can we bugfix first

[still lodge]

sure brodie maybe hotbiscuit come back

[dim stag]

Only shift in the game with charge up time and cast time

Can we fix this right now???

[heady hawk]

i still want saros to be able to use abilites

[plucky cloak]

If only saros wasn't useless 🥲

[still plover]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-bait-ragebait-unsuccessful-ragebait-unsuccessful-gif-15226495446096725932

[vale token]

I want antiheal to be made rarer and healing to be actually balanced around the games damage

[dim stag]

That would require big overhaul

[heady hawk]

like i would love to play more saros but that champion usually loses to itself

[dim stag]

on the whole combat

[heady hawk]

rather than enemies

[vale token]

I hate anti heal join my Anti anti-healing crusade

[still lodge]

so we nerf healing

[uncut ravine]

i would love to see oath in a wheelchair getting the hudson treatment

[still lodge]

im down

[plucky cloak]

You don't like shooting blanks ???

[still lodge]

it only took 3years

[uncut ravine]

instead of oath being thanos for god knows how long

[dim stag]

How do you balance healing around damage in the game when 80% of the games abilities one shots you KEKW

[uncut ravine]

and not buffing beebo a million times

[dusk scroll]

make EMP nade one shot Oath shield

[heady hawk]

its actually disgusting that its still in the game

[plucky cloak]

If this happens so many 1 tricks are cooked lmao

[heady hawk]

how is saros portal, m2 and dash still bugged

[uncut ravine]

sounds like a problem to the people that play him

[heady hawk]

after a month of being out

[still lodge]

u shush

[plucky cloak]

It's about to be 2 months 😔

[still lodge]

they nerf bishop u cooked

[dusk scroll]

meta abus... hem hem enjoyer you meant ?

[uncut ravine]

ill just play myth buddy

im good

[still lodge]

she nerfed too

[rocky topaz]

I just want Bishop to be Bishop, not RMB bot

[still lodge]

play something that isnt broken

[heady hawk]

omg i get the strategy

[uncut ravine]

amen

[uncut ravine]

my bad ive got 1k games in her

[heady hawk]

they are nerfing every character that deals damage

[plucky cloak]

They don't even know about battle bunny Hachi either the secret goat tech

[heady hawk]

so oath becomes even better

[uncut ravine]

i mindcontrolled TC by buffing RMB LMB and changing R to a useless spell

my fault team

[uncut ravine]

type shiT?!

[still plover]

I mean shiv will probably be best if they nerf ghost/myth/bishop

[uncut ravine]

dont show em the lil meap clip

[heady hawk]

yeah and then shiv will be on every team

hooray

[rocky topaz]

I don't want Bishop to do a bunch of damage, I miss when she was an actually bruisery disruptor

[heady hawk]

she is already like up there

[still plover]

problem is you still have to pick characters with destructive damage

because oath exists

very cool

[heady hawk]

maybe not myth or bishop level

[still plover]

joule and crysta unplayable

[heady hawk]

crysta had the shortest meta lifetime of any char i think

[still lodge]

huddy comin back

[heady hawk]

died faster than hudson

[plucky cloak]

You can get away with joule if oath players unbind rmb

[still plover]

Crysta isnt even that bad

[dim stag]

I mean crysta just shit because of oath

[heady hawk]

she isnt

[still plover]

its just so hard to play into oath

[heady hawk]

but oath

[still plover]

whats the point

[heady hawk]

yes

exactly

[rocky topaz]

Crysta E does Explosive damage now doesn't it

[dim stag]

crysta would be mega if oath didnt exist

[heady hawk]

i 100% agree

that crysta would be good

if oath didnt exist

[dim stag]

You cant hit oath with it anyways

[still plover]

pretty sure it dosnt

[dim stag]

It stops infront of oath shield

[still plover]

pretty sure she has 0 destructive damage

[dim stag]

So it doesnt even mater

[plucky cloak]

Any oath with a brain just doesn't shield anything that breaks shield

[still plover]

you just auto his shield 20 times and pray

[heady hawk]

oath can hold m2 vs crystas whole kit and still have shield left

[dusk scroll]

so many hunters could be played in scrims if Oath wasn't there.

[dim stag]

yes

you would need like 4 rotations

if thats even enough

[heady hawk]

but if we remove oath the game becomes a oneshot fest

[still plover]

I literally couldnt give a shit about the rest of the balance but just remove oath

[still lodge]

and myth

[heady hawk]

need to nerf overall dmg if oath is gone

[still plover]

I mean yeah it does a bit but 6months+++++ of oath

im tired

[still plover]

she needs to be nerfed but idec

just nerf oath omega

like into the ground for a month at least

[heady hawk]

for the rest of time

just fuck oath

[still lodge]

nerf ghost when myth lmb does more dmg than ghost nade with autos

[still plover]

I actually think like oath meta is fun but its been around for all of time

[dim stag]

I am so happy bhopping that runied all my games is finially getting removed 🙏

[still plover]

if it came and went

it wouldnt be that bad

but its just here for all of existence

[heady hawk]

i wanna see chars i dont usually see

[rocky topaz]

I still think the game is better when Oath is bad

[still plover]

I think variety is king

but we dont get any

[heady hawk]

where are the shrikes, the voids, celestes?

[still plover]

Im all for complaining about balance but the game will nevery be perfectly balanced

[dusk scroll]

My scrims shrike is coming soon hopefuly

[heady hawk]

do people even remember them?

[still plover]

I just wish it would change more drastically

[heady hawk]

yeah if one person plays them/scrim thats cute

[dim stag]

if you pick shrike over like bishop ure actually just trolling and should be deported to na

[still lodge]

true

[plucky cloak]

Bye khyzaro enjoy the flight

[dim stag]

hope it crashes

[plucky cloak]

xd

[still lodge]

id rather first time bishop in abyssal cup then play my mains

[rocky topaz]

Was in the most recent patch

[dusk scroll]

don't care + get 2 tap + get ratio

[dim stag]

NOW WE ARE FIXING CRYSTA Q DEALING NO DMG TO ANYTHING

WOHO

[still plover]

ye I mean my bad

[vale token]

Healing in basically every game is balanced around slowing down someones death not straight up deny it.

Dmg shouldnt be out paced by healing. Bar for ultimate abilities and rare circumstances

When you have that kind of basic source of healing denying someones death thats called being overtuned. And should probably be nerfed.

Then if you balance around that by introducing anti healing instead of just nerfing the heal.

Then that interaction is required to have anti happen to be countered.

Now if anti is made common enough fights with healing based characters involved become just about who got antihealed.

Then those characters get bad. So you gotta buff them. Generic buffs like damage, more utility and such Or you make their heals also so strong they dont die without anti heal

I feel there is a good reason antiheals are rare as a mechanic in most games

Im vive you dont notice it that much because we dont have too many healing based characters. But if they add more and give anti heal access to everyone in the game (like a dev stated)
Heal characters just become incredibly binary.

You already kinda see that with Eva

[dim stag]

Imagine playing shrike and thinking you can 2 tap anything KEKW

[still plover]

I will check how much damage it does to oath shield now but I dont even think its that much

its still just an impossible match up

[rocky topaz]

Yea, I don't think it's a good matchup at all still lol

Just wanted to double check that it actually did explosive damage

[dusk scroll]

for real, give me explosive damage on Shrike on her lmb or Ult and i'm gonna be a nightmare in scrims

[dim stag]

@vale token yes I mean I agree with you. But its just impossible to balance around dmg when 90% of the things in the game just straight up one shots

There is nothing to balance around then

[vale token]

Anti heal seems to counter the random outlier where heals out pace damage. But if that wasnt the case in the first place why would you need anti heal?

[sonic glade]

I don't think nerfs would put oath out of the meta until there is another frontline character

[dim stag]

I would much rather they slow down ttk by like 10x

I have said this forever

[still plover]

no no

maybe like 5%

[vale token]

If thats the case then heals arent really needed then and ttk is probably too fast

[dusk scroll]

what Shrike would become then ?

[sonic glade]

Even if they legit took half of oaths damage away he would still be good

[dim stag]

Well there is a reason pretty much no one plays supports in scrims nowdays

[quiet bridge]

I don't think ghost r, myth q, or joule q are relevant because I don't know why you would shield these
Crysta q feels like the same situation as freeze RMB - you just have to drop shield when it pops which is really nbd
I have no clue why you would ever joule R an oath shield too LOL

[dim stag]

Oath is just better than every support

wdym shrike already needs like 4 shots in a row without enemy healing to kill someone

Doesnt change anything

she cant kill anyone anyways

[dusk scroll]

gigantism is also a major issue, and this item shouldn't exist.

It's also an issue on KP

[rocky topaz]

Lol that's fair, but I don't even know if they mentioned Oaths shield in that post, I think it was just for everything else, like walls and tree's and such

So Joule can ult tree's

[quiet bridge]

Yeah these changes were for other destructibles

[dim stag]

Just fix oath and game is playable again

or shrike instant shift works too and I am happy

[sonic glade]

It is certainly not. I don't even build gigantism

[dim stag]

oath just have way too hard scaling stats

Might be base stats that are too high with level up not sure

But its fucked

[vale token]

I find it funny he also has the highest base ms

He is sprinting

[dusk scroll]

but you can. Gigantism + Ambrush and the whole enemy team has no armor left after one ult. And this can't be accepted

[dim stag]

thinking gigantism+ambrush doesnt one shot you

KEKW

[sonic glade]

Or just build mindblade and respite

[dim stag]

It doesnt even mater if you have armor

if you get hit by it youre dead

[sonic glade]

You have more damage, more mana and same hp

[dusk scroll]

didn't said one shot you, it nearly one shot your armor

[dim stag]

yeah but i mean

you get hit by it

you are dead

youre on what

10% hp

fights over

u dead

armor doesnt even mater at that point

[sonic glade]

I mean yeah if you get hit by an ultimate that has a stun you will die

But you should never get hit by oath ult stun if you have a dash

[dim stag]

I mean sure

oath shouldnt ult if someone has dash

sooooo

it kinda goes both ways u know

[vale token]

Feel like breaking their armor is just a "win more" benefit

[sonic glade]

What

[dim stag]

well you said if you get hit by oath ult when you have dash up right

true its trolling

but also oath shouldnt ult someone with dash up

because thats also trolling

[sonic glade]

Whats the point

[sonic glade]

This is just not true at all

[dim stag]

that most of the times you do get hit by full oath ult

unless

oath is trolling

[rocky topaz]

Doesn't play perfectly = Trolling

[sonic glade]

Well then you will have to have done something previously to bait out the dash

[still lodge]

yes

thats what the BY would say

[rocky topaz]

Aidan?

[still lodge]

idk who aidan is

[sonic glade]

That sounds correct to me

[rocky topaz]

Wait, you're an EU player who was talking about the best players and best teams.... and you don't know who Aidan is?....

[rocky topaz]

Then I'm trolling all the time lol

Actually am always trolling

[uncut ravine]

he is trolling u

[sonic glade]

You have been ragebaited

[rocky topaz]

Ah, I been got, oh well

And eh, not rage at all, just confusion

[uncut ravine]

yeah cookies is a griefer

[vale token]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-meme-jjba-gif-4322638546229085656

[uncut ravine]

but also a goat

[rocky topaz]

ah

That explains it

TBH, the only thing I really wish for in balance, that hasn't been hammered into the ground is that Bishop would lean back more toward the bruiser style where she isn't played like a coward and wanted to get into a fight and cause problems. It's how I've been enjoying recently, just wish it were more consistent lol

[uncut ravine]

Type shit

i've been shitstomping the ladder first few days on shift max and just dashing into ppl

but too hard to pull off vs people with hands

but yeah... soloqing not fun... so im just chilling with inhouses and scrims

hope in the future at 1.0 where we have a stable playerbase we get atleast duoing in gm+ back

or proper matchmaking

[dim stag]

I think duo in gm+ should be that one person gets to aim and the other use the movement

I think this would reduce the skillgap in soloq between high and low level

[sonic glade]

Lmao

Would be fun actually

[dim stag]

either that or you can just add mm

But

[rocky topaz]

I've been running Swiftblade + Vive infuser, Shift to level 3 -> max punch

:)

[still lodge]

unlucky u dont have hands hachi

[tribal stone]

solo q needed rn because otherwise player pop is so low you just get 3 silvers vs 3 legends every game

but yeah once real player pop stacking probably be more fine

[dim stag]

WHY ARE WE USING PLAYERBASE AS AN EXCUSE

IT WAS THE SAME WHEN THERE WAS A PLAYERBASE

ITS A SHIT ARGUMENT, THE OTHER SIDE HAS ALREADY BEEN PROVEN

[uncut ravine]

alright buddy calm down before i man handle you myself again

[raw brook]

High elo duos should go no fill to avoid having a bad player on their team

[uncut ravine]

i'd be down

[raw brook]

and with good mm right

[uncut ravine]

if thats the sacrifice we haveto make

[tribal stone]

there was never a playerbase...

[raw brook]

There would only be high elo duos

[tribal stone]

it was like 1 week..

[raw brook]

In a lobby

We can call that game mode

Duos

Thoughts?

[dim stag]

Ok can I just ask

[uncut ravine]

idk how it was in NA but when we were master and we had to duo at the start when TRIOS got out

[dim stag]

what playerbase do you think this game will have?

[uncut ravine]

the games felt pretty good

[tribal stone]

yeah they felt decent i think

[raw brook]

Mm was still fried even when all the people were stacked in d1

And masters

[dim stag]

If this game on release has 5-8k for months that is already more than anything anyone could possibly predict

[raw brook]

It was awful to play solo at the time

[tribal stone]

i mean, start of season when EVERYONE was playing was one thing

[raw brook]

But stacking was ok

[rocky topaz]

TBH part of the reason it died so quick was cause MM was fucked and the stacking kinda ruined it for other people

[raw brook]

I just enjoy queueing up when i want

I dont want to have to find people to play with in order to engage with the game

[dim stag]

SO GUYS WE HAD NO MM, THAT WAS THE PROBLEM THEN

[tribal stone]

new player...load into game. win 2 games. every game after that u go up against full TLD gg

[dim stag]

NOT STACKING

[raw brook]

Stacking is toxic to high elo players queueing solo too

This has been demonstrated time and time again

In other games

[dim stag]

YES BUT THATS BECAUSE WE HAVE NO MM

[tribal stone]

y r u so mad

[raw brook]

Other games have mm

And stacking has shown to be toxic

[tribal stone]

its not chanigng anytime soon

[dim stag]

IF THEY WOULD GET MATCHED WITH OTHER HIGH LEVELS IT WOULDNT BE

[raw brook]

And over powered

[uncut ravine]

i mean if i queue'd solo and i would get 2 other decent players on my team

i think it would be fine

[tribal stone]

thats the long term goal

[raw brook]

3 challengers stacking in league it would ruin ranked

[dim stag]

ok

lucky this is not a moba then

LOL

What the fuck am I hearing

[uncut ravine]

klerny breath bro

holy shit

[raw brook]

? Legit clueless

[bitter slate]

This has to be rage bait no

[raw brook]

Even in games where there is tight mm

Stacking is op

[sand flame]

this is not league

[dim stag]

Battle royales are really famous for having restrictions to queue

[raw brook]

Most games have decided at the top end stacking is toxic

[dim stag]

you are very right

[raw brook]

And apex is suffering for it

Rn

Because preds stack

And run down lobbies

[still lodge]

i feel u klerny

[dim stag]

but apex has no mm

[still lodge]

its hard to get a point across

[raw brook]

Its the same exact problem

[dim stag]

That is literally

A complete different point

apex doesnt have skillbased mm

That literally everyone says supervive should have

[dim stag]

"guys lets compare this game to a complete different genre of games" "guys I am comparing a totally different mm system compared to the one the people wants"

Like how do you argue with this shit without saying wtf are you talking about

[still lodge]

u cant klerny

[dim stag]

Bro chess has skillbased mm so I think its really good supervive

[still lodge]

they just woke up give it a sec

[dim stag]

like

[fading mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/raiden-shogun-ei-genshin-impact-genshin-kawaii-anime-girl-gif-23576097

[dim stag]

I feel like the mental gymnastics people have sometimes are so deluded its actually just crazy

[still lodge]

like in what BR game cant u stack

[dim stag]

its to the point where either they are just actually stupid or trolling

because they defend these stupid arguments like crazy too with even more stupid arguments

But I guess you cant beat a stupid person in being stupid

[still lodge]

its called gaslighting

[dim stag]

No gaslighting needs some type of understanding

This shit some people say are just beyond stupid

they dont even understand what they are saying

If I use the same argument they do, they will call it stupid because they dont understand what the fuck they just said

[loud harbor]

Stacking would be fine if they could split it from solo que, something that's been asked for by SO many people. Ik they don't really plan on it but it would help a shit ton.

Ofc I am not saying rn cus there is legit just not enough players. Then another issue is even when there were more players the high ranks were pretty dead back then, so that was kind of another issue with stacking. Then ifc how the mm sucked ass putting really experienced players versus literal noobs.

[rocky topaz]

When the game first launched, the poor matchmaking made the stacked high elo teams a bigger problem then they probably were, but it ruined enough peoples perspective of the game, and the enjoyment that they had to do something about it, which they did.

[dim stag]

Stacking shouldnt be a problem in a battle royale

There is something else that is mega wrong if stacking is a problem

[still lodge]

true

[dim stag]

I get that you say there is not enough players

[still lodge]

now its legit worse

[dim stag]

but even when there was

[still lodge]

like u q solo into 2 good players game is just over

[dim stag]

there was no fix for it

so what makes you think that if they get players again, there will be a fix

please answer that

Because they have proven that last time, they didnt fix it. Why would they now?

And please dont bring up any subjectiveness

Just stay to the cold hard truth on this one

[loud harbor]

Just getting more players and doing nothing else wouldn't fix shit.

They'd have to do other stuff.

And the reason why stacking is more of a problem in sv than most games is due to how comps work. No matter what you aren't beating a team of actually coordinated players when you aren't. But if you are then you can do shit, hence why I say simply split them and it'd prob be good.
Sv is more fun when you stack, but that shouldn't make the game unfun for others which imo is the main reason it just had to go before. On release I do hope they csn maybe come up with a compromise that actually works. The play might literally just be to make playing unranked worth at all.

It's all up to what they really wanna do. But if they bring back stacking rn with no changes the game will auck again, which so many people seem to be asking for that. Please no... solo players will once again be unable to enjoy the game if they do that.

[dim stag]

The game already suck brother

Since the trios patch the number just kept going down and down

No mater how much we have catered towards new players, it still sucks for them

And its worse than ever before now

[leaden condor]

I understand that the goal has been to simplify the systems stacked on top of each other in Supervive to create an experience that better appeals to the casual player. It seems this current strategy of the hunter's journey is an attempt to this end. (Better than past attempts because it does not eliminate systems but rather makes them hidden and then slowly exposes players to them)

My question is this: BAPBAP seems to have been much closer to that goal than Supervive, providing a very simple experience for players to engage in an action-y combat in a BR setting.

Where does Supervive see success when other games aiming for the same goal found failure?

[dim stag]

It obviously was a better game when stacking was a thing

and squads was a thing

now they game is just simply worse for everyone

[rocky topaz]

The numbers actually went up when Trio's was added, almost doubled, then it stayed up pretty high, but has started to go back down again, and yea, it's been going down for a while. I genuinely think that when matchmaking was way more lax and stacking was a thing the game was far less enjoyable for me and people that I was playing with and starting the game, but now a friend who has started recently with the more specific MM has been enjoying a lot more because he was not being hounded by top stacks.

[rocky topaz]

IDK if BAPBAP is the best comparison for sucess here :L

[surreal ivy]

I'd argue BAPBAP is a great comparison, if the goal is to simplify things in the experience.
Is there something about BAPBAP's success that would indicate simplifying a lot of things isn't a good idea?

[rocky topaz]

oh, he meant it in that aspect

[leaden condor]

Why not? It is a simple to pick up hero shooter / action genre battle royale. Is that not the direction that Supervive has indicated they are trying to move in?

[rocky topaz]

Not that BAPBAP was successful

[loud harbor]

No... just looking at player count means close to nothing for this.

[rare thicket]

nothing ive heard from the devs has made me think they want a simpler game, just an easier to get into game

[rocky topaz]

I mean, yea, but I was getting at that it wasn't/isn't really a success

[rocky topaz]

Yea, but a lot of people take that as simpler game :L

[surreal ivy]

Unfortunately, the classic "we need to simplify more!" wasn't something that the community said first.
Equally unfortunately, I'm pretty sure the original quote got nuked when a bunch of old channels got nuked.

[leaden condor]

Perhaps it is the devs using the words "We need to simplify more!" while they remove, reduce, and shrink mechanics that provide meaningful depth and mastery expression that makes people think they want a simpler game?

Like, are you being for real?

[leaden condor]

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/supervive/comments/1hc6k3j/supervive_status_update/

This deleted post

[dim stag]

@rocky topaz legends get into games with bronze 4 players right now, How is not as lax as possible?

[surreal ivy]

It wasn't even on the Discord originally? My memory is failing me, I see.

[dim stag]

Your opinion is highly subjective and not based in any facts but thats ok

[rocky topaz]

Opinions are entirely subjective.... that's what makes them opinions..

[dim stag]

No you said mm was more lax

That is not a subjective opinion

[rocky topaz]

"We need to simplify more" was a really bad phrase to use, lol

[dim stag]

thats either a fact or lie

And for your information, thats a lie

But its ok

[leaden condor]

It was a very truthful phrase to use because it accurately described their actions.

[rocky topaz]

It did use to be far more lax, the player count right now is making that MM really rough

[dim stag]

IT CANT BE MORE LAX THAN HIGHEST RANKED PLAYERS AND LOWEEST RANKED PLAYERS GET INTO SAME GAME

just to let you know

[rocky topaz]

It probably was back then, and yea I do agree they probably removed some stuff that removed depth, but I cant think of anything recently that has actively removed depth

[dim stag]

incase thats hard to understand

So yes you are straight up lying

but its okay

[leaden condor]

Going to trios removed a lot of depth, don't you think? Quite a simplification of combat when you have an entire less character's cooldowns to think about and consider?

In fact- I think that was one of their main communicated reasons for doing it.

[rocky topaz]

I think Trio's has increased depth in quite a few ways, in combat, but mostly in the way that comps and teams are built.

[dim stag]

HAHAHAHAHAHHA

[vale token]

So like whats been happening here

Bullying major or?

[rare thicket]

Everyone has an opinion and their opinion is also objectively correct

same as every day on here

[vale token]

My opinions and takes are always correct

[rocky topaz]

I apparenly cant have any :L

[rare thicket]

being positive about the game is not allowed in this discord

[rocky topaz]

Yup

I accept the game has some shit wrong with it, but I don't think the swap to trio's was one of them

[dim stag]

BEING POSITIVE ABOUT SOMETHING BAD IS JUST BEING IGNORANT AND HURTS THE GAME MORE THAN CALLING IT OUT

[plucky cloak]

uh literally every high level team is running Oath or myth

and characters that were once viable as a flex option are absolutely useless now like saros

Like the team comp meta is different variations of Oath / Myth / Bishop

with the clear best comp being oath myth bishop

[rocky topaz]

That's more of a balance issues IMO, not a problem with the system of trio's itself, I have seen a lot of really interesting comps when playing the last, the most interesting to me was a Jin, Brall, Saros, where the Jin and Brall would go in, and Saros would follow up and finish the fight, or would be able to engage with his ult. It leads to the possibility of more refined comps, but sadly the balance is not there.

[plucky cloak]

but like that comp is terrible and is gonna get run down by any high level team

unless its pure solo queue and your playing mega selfish

[uncut ravine]

anyone who plays beebo or oath and has 1 finger and that comp has no chance to succeed tbh

[rocky topaz]

Yea, you should assume everything I say is from the perspective of non comp play lol

[plucky cloak]

and dont care if your saros ever dies lmfao

[blazing pecan]

I agree ⬆️

[frail summit]

[blazing pecan]

Also this whole argumentation is reminding me of Vampiric Helmet in a context where you deal damage to regain hp

[rocky topaz]

My point is more that since they are more restrictive, the possibility of comps is more refined and focused, leading to more diverse possibilities in play and how people want to build. In squads it usually felt like every comp was a different version of the same thing :L

[blazing pecan]

It seems like that's whats happening here in an allegorical way

[raw brook]

Is it true eu ranks beebo low

[uncut ravine]

no we dont

[rocky topaz]

Also happy b-day jess

[raw brook]

Or is that fake news

[uncut ravine]

we just dont have alot of beebo players

[raw brook]

Fair

Thats what we figured

[uncut ravine]

we have ash and orlandoz who are goated at the character

but yeah not alot of ppl enjoy playing it

[raw brook]

That character is unreal op rn

But kinda bedge in scrims

[plucky cloak]

ask any good EU player what think about blinkstone beebo and youll have your answer

[uncut ravine]

its hard to succeed with for sure

[dim stag]

If you play anything else than oath bishop kp myth in comp you are trolling

[uncut ravine]

the amount of times i get bungie blinked on... oh my oh my...

[blazing sage]

well this thread has de-railed

[uncut ravine]

honestly theres just a lot of bottled up frustration for alot of high elo players which is more than fair i'd say

[raw brook]

👍

[grim cloak]

League took denying and turn speeds out, and has automatic respawning instead of buybacks. It ate the Moba lunch. Honor of Kings had auto-aim and automatic buys, and ate a huge amount of League’s lunch. Hearthstone doesn’t have split turns. Smash has the universal button presses. I don’t know how else to say it - most games fail, but I can’t see it as purely because of what you’re saying.

[dim stag]

When we hear that ghost is getting nerfed before oath myth bishop your mental go go places

[blazing sage]

arent they getting nerfed next patch?

[raw brook]

Oath and myth are being nerfed

And jess was saying ghost wasnt on the nerf list

Lol

[rocky topaz]

she was mostly messing with us I think lol

Or not

[raw brook]

Yea lmao

[rocky topaz]

IDK

[dim stag]

"nerfed"

[raw brook]

Idk there doesnt seem to be nerf here

[blazing sage]

plus the next months are literally focused on balancing

[dim stag]

if its only bhop thats the most insignificant nerf ever

pretty much all of his abilities should get nerfed decently hard

[surreal ivy]

ultimate oath nerf: -1 base movespeed.

[grim cloak]

We honestly don’t have Ghost changes, but I understood what this room wanted.

[plucky cloak]

hotfix destroying oath right before abyssal cup would be the most based move ive ever seen

[leaden condor]

Makes sense to me- I understand what you mean.

I do think this step (attaching systems to hero journey) is still a better way to try to simplify than past attempts.

Thank you for the reply, and I will be back at 1.0 to see where you land. Pulling for you!

[uncut ravine]

I wish there was a chat like we had in the creator cord a while back when we had a chat about the Zeph and Oath nerfs

we should have another one ngl

People that actually gave good feedback

[blazing sage]

whats actual good feedback tho, cuz thats relative

[leaden condor]

Despite how others interpret my questions, critiques, and complaints I have no desire to see Supervive fail. I am very hopeful that this game attains success.

It might not be the perfect game for me, but it would mean that others might see your success and get closer to something that is ideal for me.

[grim cloak]

Appreciate it.

[dim stag]

Well if your arguments are either highly subjective or a straight lie, thats probably not good

or both

[sinful kite]

Do you guys have any ideas of what you would change if you were going to? Atleast in NA people in M+ know hes strong and might need a slight nerf like +1 sec on dash CD and maybe some nade adjustments

[grim cloak]

Haven’t asked the team yet. I also try not to share changes prematurely. Down to share ideas that come up here with them, though.

I cross-post a summary of everything we talk about here, so they’ll get the Ghost note in a bit.

[uncut ravine]

Can we expect any changes for matchmaking in higher elos before or/ at 1.0 launch?
Theres alot of people that don't wanna queue up solo and get 2 bronzes on their team

@grim cloak

[grim cloak]

I’m here, you’re good.

[grim cloak]

Population and balancing lobbies are both factors. We’re working on some changes that would make me feel more comfortable tightening the bands. Probably part of 1.0.

[uncut ravine]

Alright, appreciate ur answer and the time taken Jess!

[grim cloak]

No problem.

[indigo spear]

anything on the visual updates that were on the roadmap?

[fossil lance]

Is there any hope for non rank-restricted full trio/squad queue coming back or are we cooked

[plucky cloak]

The thing that has full stopped me and a lot of others from playing ranked at all anymore is the fact that its a team game but you cant queue with friends at gm+

the system just feels bad when your punished for being good you cant queue with anyone anymore

[sinful kite]

Understandable !
From talking to some other ghost players most of us want more consistancy on nade since you can easily cancel the knockback and stop it from stunning you fixing this might make him broken and might need some other adjustments.
And for people playing against him most of the frustration comes due to his dash CD being 3 seconds if you properly reduce the cd everytime.

[plucky cloak]

and for context i hit legend on 2 accounts this season and have a third smurf in master to play with friends but i cant because they all stopped because of this sytem

[grim cloak]

Refocusing to the priorities we talked about in the past few video updates. Might come back to these, but 1.0 features, new Hunters and balance/bugfixing/perf leading up to that are the focus.

[stray dock]

Are map expansions/updates planned to be part of a regular content cycle or updates down the line, or is the team largley satisfied with the state of the playing field? Is there a static goal to the map, or is changing that up regularly part of the planned dynamism of the game's life cycle?

[grim cloak]

Thanks. Just saw a few notes around b-hop Oath being negligible after getting messages on it for the past month. 💀 So I hope you’re right.

[dim stag]

yes if that is just the nerf, it is infact just negligible

But if it is a part of like 10 other nerfs, its good

[plucky cloak]

I think its more oath even without the bhop tech has been S+ tier and basically a necessary staple for teams. I think most people are just tired of perma seeing it because watching any tournament 90% of teams run it because its power

[lilac nimbus]

oath needs to be gutted thanks

[grim cloak]

Caught up with the team on at least duo, but given existing concerns here around quality of matches at that level already, unlikely to revisit for a bit.

[vale token]

Hey safelocked Im currently on an Anti Anti-heal crusade. Would you like to join my cause

[fossil lance]

My experience as a primarily soloQ andy is that these changes did not improve soloQ quality at all to be quite honest, and now I don't even have the option to play with the boys on main

A bit unlucky there

[grim cloak]

Folks were telling me there aren’t many Oath mains in scrims right now - what changed?

[dim stag]

???????????????????

Who said that KEKW

[plucky cloak]

Uh hes been perma in scrims in EU for the last forever basically

[vale token]

They got tired of winning every lobby

[grim cloak]

Probably NA.

[dim stag]

Literally every team runs this champ

[past shadow]

since fucking when....

[blazing sage]

yea NA doesnt run oath

[raw brook]

Na runs beebo over oath a lot

[past shadow]

oath has been the NUMBER 1 pick for litearlly 10 months at this point

[raw brook]

Because we have a lot of beebo players

[frail summit]

EU TC when?

[past shadow]

back when i won prologue oath was the bestr character in the game

and to this day

[rocky topaz]

It's a region different thing

[past shadow]

he still is

[grim cloak]

Yeah, region difference makes sense.

[raw brook]

Oath is still definitely a top pick

But na prefers beebo

[vale token]

And top players being mains mostly contributes

[raw brook]

Especially with how he pairs with double range

[dim stag]

I mean in eu literally the whole scene has revolved around oath for 10 months atleast

[raw brook]

Yea tld and mb who are the top dogs dont have a dedicated oath player

[plucky cloak]

here is what EU scrims looks like

[raw brook]

HAHAHAHAHA

Na has a lot of onetricks

So we dont play good comps

[dim stag]

And this is removing like 5-6 other scrim teams that runs oath

[plucky cloak]

also worth noting Blink on TSM plays it, Aidan on my team plays it

[raw brook]

Oath should be played but imo its not as good as beebo if your beebo player is good

[past shadow]

Currently in EU if u dont pick oath its considered that u will not win

[past shadow]

just fckigng play both

kekw

[raw brook]

And tbh putting them together is awkward if enemy has double range + beebo

[rare thicket]

Solo queue has been alot better for me now that I have a chance to get a good player on my team rather than having them garunteed to be stacked on an enemy team

[raw brook]

Those are competitive comp building philsophy differences tho

Not because oath is bad

We also like

[grim cloak]

Glad to hear it.

[raw brook]

Lack good oaths

Theres like 3 reasonably skilled oaths in NA

[uncut ravine]

i lowkey feel like if you put a beebo team against a good oath team

the beebo is completely useless

[fickle tinsel]

Podracing but does he even scrim?

[raw brook]

Yes

Hes among the 3

[past shadow]

i actuially dont know how beebo even plays against oath

[blazing sage]

yea most NA oath stopped playing

[past shadow]

ifn the oath is a human

[rare thicket]

We lost dunmuir rip

[tranquil kestrel]

only thing i know is that fire rmb go through oath shield

[vale token]

Na oaths got tired of winning and stopped playing

[plucky cloak]

The bomb 1 taps oath shield but if the oath is smart he just drops shield and saves his parry for Beebo Ult

[fickle tinsel]

I need to get into scrims sometime but zzz finding a consistent team hard

[rocky topaz]

If the beebo plays it right the Oath get's kinda bullied, sometimes, it's probably the most equal Oath matchup rn

[vale token]

Tale of two bonk'ers

[past shadow]

bishop is the hardest counter to oath

UNCONTESTED

[raw brook]

Yea but then its a heavy chhnk to his health and opens a window for beebos teammates, particularly myth

[past shadow]

Oath can definetly counterplay beebo

[sinful kite]

dunmuir, cogiy, paz

[rocky topaz]

Yea, I said most equal, not hardest counter :L

[raw brook]

Agree

But he doesnt like beebo

Its very annoying for the oath when the beebo is paired with other range

[sinful kite]

its a skill match up

[raw brook]

That pressures oath

[sinful kite]

imo

[vale token]

Oath hates Beepo because beepo fights back

[plucky cloak]

This is like a works on paper but in reality the oath also has 2 teammates and your having to full focus 2 peoples full kits around killing this one character who also does a ton of damage

[rocky topaz]

Cries in wanting less damage bishop back :'(

[raw brook]

:(

[rocky topaz]

Lol, this may be the most true statment about that matchup

[grim cloak]

Are they new? Saw them in a few of my lobbies last week.

[sinful kite]

Hes been around for months

[grim cloak]

Nice.

[sinful kite]

hes the reason the oath bhop is known as much as it is

named podracing after him

[grim cloak]

Yeah, we were watching him in our games.

[grim cloak]

Amazing.

[raw brook]

Hes the fastest on that lmao

[rocky topaz]

BTW I did wanna share something that I think y'all might like, my friend @royal glacier have been calling Wraiths Row Drops, "Waffle House" drops

[fickle tinsel]

that's SO SICK

[rare thicket]

Lmao perfect

[grim cloak]

Wait, why?

[fickle tinsel]

There's an expectation that tons of players will drop Wraiths because "6 camps instead of 5"

[rocky topaz]

There's always Chaos at the waffle house, and you always have a chance of getting into a fight

[fickle tinsel]

It happens a lot more than you'd think

[rocky topaz]

And this

[grim cloak]

Lmao I see

[grim cloak]

I hate that I’ve never seen this.

[rocky topaz]

If Cold Fang Keep weren't allready KFC to me, I would call it "The Banana stand"

[fickle tinsel]

okay major that one elludes me

..elaborate

[raw brook]

People love wraiths for some reason

But i hate it so much

[vale token]

Fist fight

[fickle tinsel]

I love the banana stand name

[raw brook]

Let me farm for free bro

[grim cloak]

It’s for this reason.

[raw brook]

Im so sick of it

[grim cloak]

Lol

[raw brook]

Every random player who is drop lead

Drops me there no fail

That said the solo experience has been exponentially better than last arc

[fading mountain]

it's reverse

[vale token]

I love wraits row as Hudson because of the sightlines. every drop getting lvl 2 = free team wipe

[fading mountain]

cold fang keep

[raw brook]

Both in game because other players are solo/duo

[fading mountain]

keep fang cold

kfc

[raw brook]

But also teammates are genuinely getting better

[fickle tinsel]

oh i was talking about the banana stand part

[raw brook]

You get bad players but the randoms who are plat silver

[fading mountain]

oh idk

[fickle tinsel]

[raw brook]

Are wayy better than before

And i would like to think soloq as a reason for it

[rare thicket]

I hate wraiths drop cuz jin level 1 has 1 hp

[raw brook]

A lot of NA solo players are teaching players diff game concepts

[grim cloak]

Wait, true.

[raw brook]

Such as bot dropping……

[grim cloak]

Don’t get me started.

[vale token]

Unless an enemy realizes they can stand behind that 1 singular pilar that is ther

[grim cloak]

Alright, I have to go.

[vale token]

Like yall know that one pilar in wraiths row. I have insane beef with that pillar

[fickle tinsel]

later jess! have a good one

[grim cloak]

Got tagged a few times, so wanted to check in.

See you!

[vale token]

Cya

[raw brook]

I understand why bots exist in ranked especially in right now but bot dropping is becoming more common “tech”

[rocky topaz]

"There's always money in the banana stand"

It's an arrested Development reference

[fickle tinsel]

wait that's so awesome

i might steal that

[rocky topaz]

But yea it's KFC to me

[tribal stone]

oath is strong, NA doesn't have many good oaths for him to just dominate.

the one hero both regions agree on being oppressive is myth, for the most part

[uncut ravine]

Btw NA scrimmers, do you guys actually play with resurgence on?

[rocky topaz]

Myth just does too much damn damage

[loud harbor]

Just saw this and what..? He's on nearly every na and eu team rn.

[rocky topaz]

Scroll down lol, you'll see all the comments, not as big in NA scrims, but EU scrims he's very big

[loud harbor]

Yea i saw them after I sent the msg lol. Yea he isn't in na scrims as much as eu but he's still one of the most picked hunters in na from what I see, could be wrong about that.

[vale token]

Oaths in NA got tired of winning so they disapeared

[loud harbor]

Real

There is a chance ghost is in na more than oath ngl. I see a shit ton of ghost in na scrims.

[cobalt lintel]

No

[loud harbor]

The party hosts should turn it on 1 time at random just to screw with people 🙂

[raw brook]

No its been off since weve had the option in customs

[floral flame]

Oath is very powerful. All the best Oaths (and therefore terrifying players to face) are already on established teams, making it very difficult for new-er squads or pickup squads to find one for upcoming tournaments.

Not writing out excuses, just trying to identify the source of the misconception. Oath has been S-Tier meta for as long as I've been playing. Coming up on two years now.

[dusk scroll]

Saying Oath is S tier is an euphemism

[fickle tinsel]

I think something that Oath does that's pretty frustrating is how he functions in short-range combat

In neutral game fighting, his shield doesn't feel too bad to deal with, it feels similar to fighting like Reinhardt in Overwatch

when he's in melee range though it usually means he's gonna pin you against a wall and LMB spam you to death with 0 interaction beyond that

because he gets to hit you for 3-4 seconds with 0 repercussions because he's just hitting you with shield up

[vale token]

Oath just does what ever he wants to you
atleast take me to dinner first, jesus

[surreal ivy]

Reinhardt
my favorite part of Reinhardt was how he could attack with his shield up

[fickle tinsel]

true

• real

[vale token]

and cook a 5 course meal

[surreal ivy]

Oh, wait, no, Reinhardt couldn't do that.