SoloQ Tier List

[patent bobcat]

After watching @ebon hinge's SoloQ content on YT and personally switching from playing competitive to mostly soloQ ranked I've been thinking a lot about soloQ and which hunters excell at it. At least from the vantage point of a decent player wanting to climb as much as possible.
I think a few criteria stand out for climbing soloQ for me:

1. Mobility/Survivability
2. Kill-farm potential
3. 1vX potential
4. Abyss-game

You need the first to revive teammates and get out of lost fights and to chase down players to secure killpoint-RPs/teamwipes. The second to generally farm RP through killpoints (as opposed to just position). And the third to clutch fights and be less reliant on your team for fights (essentially soloQ is about minimizing reliance on teammates and maximizing impact of personal skill). Fourth essentially for the same reason. The lower the ttk (which goes down to 0 in abyss), the more 1vX clutchpotential and the better the crown-game.

This is my tierlist. It's bound to have errors as I don't play every hunter and am no soloQ pro. That's why I'd be interested in peoples opinion. Especially curious about top 100 players perspectives.
Sidenote: I think good players can make any hunter work well in soloQ, especially with the right powers/items but some hunters seem more abusable than others.

[solid wolf]

im gonna have to disagree on jin being s tier

a tier would be better

oath on the other hand should be s tier

[jagged hollow]

Move Crysta and Celeste to S tier. Move Jin to low A tier, Saros to A tier. Oath to B tier
and I think its a fair SOLO QUEUE list

[patent bobcat]

I'm very open to changing my mind on jin. I haven't played him so idk his weaknesses that well. As a jin main, what do you think holds him back from being high A or S tier?
The reason I placed him high is his abyss-game which is super important for soloQ with crown. And his mobility. But ig he's too high risk sometimes which can be an issue in soloQ.

With Oath idk, his abyssgame isn't as strong as celeste, jin, brall, bishop and his mobility is also lower but maybe I just haven't seen any crazy cracked Oaths in soloQ.

[patent bobcat]

Atomix says Oath S, you say Oath B. Why would you put him so low? I can see the argument for Crysta in S personally. Her burst is really good. Not as good mobility wise as the other S tiers though.

[jagged hollow]

I mean for characters to pick where you have 0 reliance on the team is how I based my standings. Id generally agree that Oath is S tier if you have a Duo or you are playing as a 4 stack. Oath gets a large portion of his strength from enabling his team

[limpid compass]

Joule in A is insane

[dreamy badger]

Elluna s tier as we are recently finding out

Tbh joule can very easily be better than crysta in solo que. Simply cus out burst damages, has better 1vN potential, and has better movement. And shiv, imo isnt that good in solo que. Still A tier in this tier list just lower in A tier.

[autumn apex]

i think it definetly depends how good the shiv player is but i'd agree

[patent bobcat]

Crysta has more upfront burst while Joules is more backgated in most cases. And Joule is more squishy. But at highest level of execution I could see Joule outperforming Crysta in soloQ. I think her ult helps a lot because she can get out of tricky situations where others wouldn't be able to.

[cinder knot]

I think Celeste deserve the S and Oath too instead of Jin and Brall, Shiv is pretty good too and snowball pretty quickly

Thing is even if the abyss game of oath is not that good, he can block a lot of things that could potentially smash him, and can guard edge pretty good too

and don't forget his ult, i think it's one of the strongest ult in the game too to me

[fringe bridge]

it's soloQ, not scrims. So yes Joule is still strong here

[hoary lava]

hard to say what character is good or not since ranked rn is just a kill noob fest. thier has been so many hudsons running games simply bc of this, atleast in NA. either way, if you want to grind rp just play the character you enjoy the most bc basically all character are good except kp.

[dreamy badger]

Yea... this is wrong on so many levels. You aren't always just in lobbies with noobs, idk why people act like that's the case. Cus if you play at active times that really just isn't the case.

Then kp really isn't shit... I csnt understand how people can say that. And you'll likely say the exact same thing many other people have already said that I've seen, and I still don't see it after reading them. His mana for sure needs to get adjusted, but that doesn't make him shit rn.

[fringe bridge]

all character are good except kp

He's not that bad in Ranked to be honest, sure not as strong to chase ppl or teamwipe than Shiv but still decent

[hoary lava]

i say lobby with noobs because better players just win because of better micro/macro and just kill the average player and snow ball. ie it doesnt matter what you play because no character is good enough to gain you rp just becuase you play them. i say kp is bad because the character does the same thing even if hes above tempo. his game plan is also extremely predicable.

[open kestrel]

fire post

yeaaa noobs is a relative term. for tn most players are noobs so the char doesnt super matter

and for most legend players

[hoary lava]

yeah

a lot of average players can play around kp to a decent degree, os its more about his team enabling him to do stuff

[open kestrel]

agree

[hoary lava]

but the kp take might be extremely biased because no one plays kp that good in NA.

[fringe bridge]

i don't know the best KP names in na. what's the top 5 (not necessarily accurate)

[hoary lava]

they all stopped playing...

[spare cipher]

Legit

[fringe bridge]

expect @iron swift of course ❤️

[spare cipher]

Or they all play other character

I dont remeber the last time i saw phenom on kp

[hoary lava]

nah despi is playing ghost now...

[spare cipher]

But from playing with him a lot Awreg is one the best KP NA that is still playing KP

[hoary lava]

same with chinese spy

thats about it LMAOOO

ig starflash but he only plays scrims

[fringe bridge]

i think many KP players quit the big boy after the LMB nerfs

(animation reset and dps)

[hoary lava]

yeah

[open kestrel]

he probably needs a hook speed buff to be viable in high elo

[spare cipher]

After playing alot of solo/duoq on main in peak hours and solo on alt and discussion with fellow top 100 this would be imo an accurate soloq tier list bu to make it make sense you have to keep in mind that if you play these character you're playing them on a very high level but the main criteria are
How fast can they get kills
How fast can they escape
How safe can they trade
How much tempo they have
How hard they are to kill

[open kestrel]

spitballing

[spare cipher]

Forgot beebo

Prolly for the best

All.my homies hate beebo

[dreamy badger]

Ngl I feel like elluna kinda has to be higher. Kp is all opinion, like he can really go either way just depending on what you think.

[open kestrel]

KP is bad

for sure

[spare cipher]

Issue with Elluna is her dmg is a ramp up dmg

Its take too long to kill one person

And she needs to be hella close

[dreamy badger]

As i said, it's all opinion. I don't think he's bad, and just cus yall do doesn't mean he is super bad.

[dreamy badger]

I feel like if you get decent at hitting roots you can get a good amount of kills later game when root is level 4. Or just max it right away and go ham.

[spare cipher]

And her mobility relies on team mates cuz if you dont reset cd by dashing trhough them its like 10sec

[spare cipher]

Ye for sure but the time it take to kill a single person is not worth wasting your air dash to maybe hit the root

Since you put yourself in a insane amount of danger

The reward is rarely worth that risk

In comp its different cuz your team will most likely dash with you

[fringe bridge]

Or be better

(yesterday EU tournament)

[patent bobcat]

KP:
The reason I have him fairly high in B tier is because a really good KP can turn fights around really quickly with hook. Your team, even if they are braindead, will always have an easier time playing 4v3 than 4v4. Plus he has his dunk which can also make plays when carrying crown.

Elluna:
Idk many people say she has potential and I've seen some cracked Ellunas farming mid-MMR lobbies but she seems to have some stuff holding her back. I could see her going higher though. Maybe some good Elluna mains could give more insight.

I could see Felix going higher since he's pretty decent this patch and does a shit-ton of dmg. If you can snowball on him he becomes disgusting.

[dreamy badger]

If anything all they really gotta do with kp is adjust his mana cost. Only issue I see with him rn. His dmg is still pretty high, and his hook is still pretty good if you're good enough to hit it, his stun is also relatively strong imo.

[spare cipher]

The issue with KP and Elluna is being consistent even the greatest on these character have a way harder time getting consistent kills from their cc then most of the cast cuz yeah if you land hook/root you can make the fight way easier but as well as having to rely on your teamates if you miss you're basicly a walking ward for 15sec or whatever their cd is

[patent bobcat]

Celeste and Zeph would be too low for me. You could argue Celeste is S tier for soloQ specifically because of her survivability, abyssgame and ability to stick revive-beacons with ult.

SoloQ is all about mobility, survivability, chase-potential and playing with crown (over abyss usually)/getting revives, if you want to carry games singlehandedly.

I'm considering putting Bishop above Brall too but I think some cracked Bralls can do magic on him. He's just more risky than Bishop. Jin is probably too high risk to be the best soloQ hunter. I can see the arguments for putting him in A tier.

[fringe bridge]

i think his trash lvl4 hook doesn't help. Once you hit a hook you don't need cdr on it.

You commit mobility in his dahs 4, huge dps on slam 4. lvl4 hook should either help him on neutrals or on the support aspect (like it stop the wisp decay while your teammates wisp so i doesn't dies mid travel)

[spare cipher]

I think you're idea of climbing soloq lobbies is the wrong one and affect your tier list because of it. It doesnt matter how much you survive getting chase if at the end of the day you cant fight back. Yes celeste as strong abyss game but then you get to endgame and people respect you over abyss what do you do but sit there and look pretty.
The best way to win over fight is picking people off 1 by 1 and the best character for that are the ones who can abuse windows of oppurtunity

At the ante im at if im second with 0 kills im still negative

Just playing safe and just living chase sequence doesnt cut it

[spare cipher]

Yeah most lv4's in the game need to be reviewed and change they are so underwhelming

[hoary lava]

nah enluna hidden sleeper s tier no kappa chung

[spare cipher]

@patent bobcat sry if it came out wrong im not trying to diminish your vision i think we just see the subject differently

[shy hearth]

Yes pls give me a reason to pick something other than slam on Jin

[fringe bridge]

ye, lvl4 should shape your gameplay more than items

and actually make a choice

not just the "only" right one

[patent bobcat]

I'm not talking about just playing safe, kill and chase-potential is included. You need both the ability to farm kills and to survive. Celeste is strong, she can get kills. You just need to be good at her. If you haven't watched it yet I recommend watching Lemur's soloQ movie on youtube where he climbs to legend in soloQ with celeste and Beebo.

I do think you have a point though that hunters who can quickly burst down and pick off opponents can be very effective in soloQ.

[fringe bridge]

Being self sufficient is also very good, like Zeph for example

[patent bobcat]

I think it has to be somewhat well-rounded though. In soloQ you can't rely on someone rezzing you if you go in and die. You can play a lot more aggressive in duo-qeue for example becasue your mate can still rezz you.

[patent bobcat]

Yeah, Zeph has surprising survivability if someone is good at him. And really good kite

And a ton of dmg

Just not as high mobility as some others

[spare cipher]

Ive watched it and discussed it with him too and yeah they arent weak but when you compare them to the champs in my A and S tier they just dont compare even from your standarts

Lemur is not your average player

And theres a reason he forced himself to not play Brall or Jin because they were too op and ez to climb soloq

You can make a case for low A tier for sure but Jin and Brall are just different creatures in soloq

[patent bobcat]

yeah, but your average player also cant seem to pilot Brall in a way where he can breeze through soloQ. Lemur has been playing some Brall in soloQ in recent days as well and isn't outperforming his celeste results (which to be fair makes sense since he doesnt have as much experience, but still, it's not a walk in the park with Brall either and he's better than most players on him regardless of playtime).
But since you seem to be a Brall main, what do you think makes him OP for soloQ?

[spare cipher]

Best burst mobility in the game with high sustain which alows him to abuse windows of oppurtunity more then anyone else. One of the strongest reset mechanics and cc + anti heal

[patent bobcat]

For Myth, I think her biggest issue is not being able to chase properly since she has to charge up shots and gets self-slow. And she's squishy af. But she can go through walls and does a ton of dmg. Ig you just have to have really cracked aim to hardcarry on her.

[spare cipher]

The only ick is the fact hes melee so you will lose hp before you get to go in and very vulnerable to cc

[patent bobcat]

He's a high risk character which can be problematic in soloQ. He has to go in to do his work. If something goes wrong its over. But I also think his kit has incredible potential for hardcarrying since it magnifies skill-differences. You can farm lower skilled players pretty well if you're very skilled.

[spare cipher]

Havr to keep in mind pubs is a very chaotic environnemt and anyone who can abuse chaos will have the advantage

[spare cipher]

Kinda goes with my criteria.
You need to be somewhat good enough at the champ to be able to 1v4 with the correct ressources

The list is how ez it is to be RP positive with good ressources

While having high ante

[patent bobcat]

wdym by good resources?

[spare cipher]

Powers/items/consumables
How much your character requires/depends on them or how accessible they are

Brall/Jin can run over lobbies with no real powers and just pots all they need are items so snowballing early is a goal most of the time but even behind they can wipe teams but celeste requires most of the time decent powers or jump pads to help achive her goals

[frozen musk]

also forgot crysta

[spare cipher]

A tier for sure

[lament dirge]

My 100% serious, meta tier list for “solo characters that roll 3 of my teammates when I look away for 2 seconds”

[limpid compass]

It doesn't help that rank is essentially meaningless and is more of an indicator of time played. At LEAST until masters

Which means if anyone can be Masters given enough time matchmaking is even more fucked than if you're a Masters player or GM getting put with silvers

[jagged hollow]

wait celeste is supposed to be in a tier

my bad

[blissful vortex]

Nah this is the real one. Kingping one shotting people with his ultimate/slam while being very tanky is top A tier. The only thing holding him back are the mana issues

[magic tusk]

Eva right now seems like F (im Eva main)

[blissful vortex]

Yeah true, she is pretty weak atm

• Her ultimate is very strong but can be focused down very easily. Like the HP pool for an ultimate is a joke. I thought it was invulnerable but that's not the case
• Her rmb slows her down by a lot and it gets stuck everywhere
• The dash is very underwhelming
  The only nice thing about her is the push/pull (Q) but even that has a 20 second cooldown with admittedly decent upgrades and effects such as anti heal and a -5 seconds reduction per upgrade. But sadly that's not what you max out first

[jagged hollow]

kingpin is limited by mana rn

[opaque crater]

thats just cause youve seen my celeste 🙂

her winrate is lowest besides ava

[frozen musk]

just because a lot of noobs play her doesn't mean she's not a soloq demon

[jagged hollow]

i meant to put her higher

[opaque crater]

how many noobs are even playing the game tho

[jagged hollow]

she is really good

[opaque crater]

she has bad matchups against most of ur s tier champs

that in itself makes it tough

to solo queue her

jin unwinnable

damage oath tough

beebo losing

[wary swift]

jin counters celeste?

[blissful vortex]

Yeah and it's the only thing holding him back from being an S tier. He is in a pretty good spot. Huge control, good dueling good chasing, good tanking what else do you want?

[jagged hollow]

any character that wants to fight in abyss gets dunked by jin

Although if celeste is kiting she can win if its a choke point or someplace jin cant dodge