Core Keeper University

[long dagger]

it rly is the delay circuit bugging out

just updated the design by removing it from the row of arms and it started working again, ran it like 4 times with no fails

replaced it with some logic circuits btw since i still needed a delay

i dont think it can be perfect since the delay circuits cant stay consistent, ran it some more and an additional pickup happened

long circuits wont work at least some of the time if it requires precise timing

ill wait for a fix

[trim kestrel]

Are you aware that joining a logic circuit output directly to the input of another logic circuit does not introduce a 1 tick delay? Like it does with 1 piece of wire between them.

Covered in my hoik video. I think this is still the same in 0.4.

I think this is cool. Is as I imagined. 🙂 But almost no one will care, unless you show it used for something...

[long dagger]

its a shorter delay without a wire separating them?

ye ik 🥲

it gave the delay i needed anyway so its whatever

also do the current teleporters work like the drills pre update? it wouldnt update till within player range but wont update if u logged off?

[trim kestrel]

No worries. That's what everyone us doing all the time on social media. Hence my fail. And I don't have the time-energy to make a full length video explaining why people should be impressed. Especially when mechanics are likely to change again in a matter of weeks... 🙄

[trim kestrel]

There's, i think, a 1 tick delay every 2 logic gates, if they are consecutive. And may be time asymmetric with no delay when turning off. (Certainly the case if the gates are unpowered.)

[long dagger]

theyll patch it within the next regular update or hotfix for sure

[trim kestrel]

Don't know what you mean... Update what on TP? And are you on a desicated server? (Obviously nothing happens when you're logged out otherwise.)

[long dagger]

the teleporters require a 20 min charge to use to teleport to other teleporters

teleporting to one thats not charged is still possible

[trim kestrel]

I doubt it. I asked the devs about it directly, after finding it on day 0. They're not bothered about door teleporters. Hence me publishing. 🤷 Seems they were right.

[long dagger]

o

5 nodes... i should be going for iron

[trim kestrel]

I'd assume new teleporters charge up as long as world is loaded and running. Anywhere. But I've not built any yet. Priorities...

[upbeat gazelle]

there's been an issue where they don't charge unless you're nearby

[long dagger]

theyre super useful, especially for drilling ores

[upbeat gazelle]

but you can teleport to uncharged ones so it's not THAT bad of an issue

[long dagger]

i can give the planks for free if ur low on that

pretty sure i started drilling both nodes at the same time yet they differ in ore count by over a hundred

theres some occasional dirt ground near the edges of the the sea but i dont think copper can spawn here since its usually past the range for plants and nodes to generate but im guessing it could be a possible if map generation gets a bit weird

[trim kestrel]

Did you re-check how much you picked up, in each case?

I've seen a bug where they'll drop a huge number of unstacked ore items on top of each other. Like 600 I've had, with no number marker.

[long dagger]

i didnt pick up either yet but i can check if the count was invisible

[long dagger]

from the top one

wow

then the other one

same exact

lol

[trim kestrel]

It gave a brief game hang as I approached the drill. Close up.

So, this is why I'm cautious about blaming your crashes on electronics. When there could be other issues, like this, far off on the map. With the new "works anywhere" mechanics.

[long dagger]

i dropped the ore i had before picking either up

[trim kestrel]

Cool. Good to know.

So, again. Automation working perfectly. But item appearance bugging.

[long dagger]

they made it fairly easy for node farming

[lilac gale]

The nodes honestly kinda feel too good rn

They trivialize resource requirements

I'm glad they're only available after scarlet, cause otherwise you'd have basically no reason to explore for ore around the map lol

[trail badger]

i cant say i mind being resource rich for some of the random projects we undertake

[lilac gale]

I don't really mind it, they just feel overtuned

[primal rapids]

Heh, I've wondered what bothered me about his videos, and you probably nailed it. The only videos I've watched I've known the original source of.

[calm pier]

its rediculous

[long dagger]

ima make my base lit with it

[calm pier]

anyone else getting connection closed issues

[trim kestrel]

Right. Serroh has credited and shouted out some of the original creators of things he's shown off. And has gone back and added description links to "inspiration" sources on some more, since...

But his hatchet job on Teng's mob vs mob arena really annoyed me. Because I saw Serroh's vid first and thought it pretty cool (as I'd been thinking of something similar).

Then found Teng's, which was the same in so many details but better quality in every way (minus voice-over). And published first, but had only 1/10th the views because he's got no subs.

I actually called Serroh out on that, but of course there's no point, because YouTubers can delete any comment (without you knowing).

But this is what the YouTube algorithm promotes to the top. As much quick and dirty content that's just barely good enough. Click bait thumbnails covered in arrows, shameless self-promotion and self aggrandisement (hence many narcissists). And biggest channel gets bigger faster. 🙄 /rant

Teng's vid, for reference. 🙂 https://youtu.be/H2p7oqqM8WY

They need more subs, heh.

[cobalt swan]

Hm? This should no longer be possible in 0.4 since they seemed to expand the region in which you get zapped away from making kill boxes patched.

[trim kestrel]

Indeed it broke the old method. Hence me posting the new one: #📷-ck-media message

... But apparently I was so focused on demonstrating how the new one works, that I failed to anticipate virtually no one was familiar with the old method or would understand the usefulness of either, at a glance.

[cobalt swan]

I guess nobody used killboxes that much?

The main purpose was really to just teleport back and forth bed to core and restoration of hunger/health.

... then boss cheese which probably got it patched.

[trim kestrel]

Right? I mean, I bearly set foot in on the beach and stumbled straight into 2 nodes, which will give me 3400k ore, straight up.

But I guess that could be considered as a dividend for those who bother with automation. Perhaps most won't, or wouldn't otherwise...

And the old system already gave more than enough for easy game progression. So giving more is functionally not that significant. Perhaps. May just look a bit ridiculous...

[trim kestrel]

Yeah. In theory, you could summon a boss, then tp-to a bed within range. If you (and your bed) can survive in the door jam for the 3 seconds it takes to go "pop"....

And have traps/mobs kill the boss while you do nothing.

[long dagger]

for iron and scarlet id say its okish while the others r overkill since these get used for electrical components more often

[cobalt swan]

I'm just assuming people cheesing with bosses made the devs "patch" it in the first place.

[long dagger]

but with teleporters u can explore the wilderness with ease and get more nodes

[cobalt swan]

I don't really care much for it really, but the technical aspects are always nice.

[trim kestrel]

I believe the collision physics changes were more to prevent jumping forwards through walls to new places. Like in the sea dungeons.

Although, this was never a previous problem, because you could only jump through 1 tile thickness of wall. (and everywhere interesting at double walls or more).

[cobalt swan]

Ironically you can still easily get through places with high speed, or glitchy minecarts.

[trim kestrel]

You mean, by abusing server lag?

[cobalt swan]

Yes

[long dagger]

Glitchy minecarts? Haven't heard or seen it before

Haven't rly used minecarts in general

[deft pulsar]

Hey, will the crab spawned if i build a small island of Beach sand ground on the ocean?

I made a 10x10 earlier but there is none.I wonder any other condition for them to spawn

[deft pulsar]

And mobs spawning from all the mosses dont attack each other ~_~

too bad

They only abuse moldy ones

[trim kestrel]

I was wondering if they like to spawn around the land kelp plants, or something...? Should be able to reproduce the conditions, but may need more than a 100 tile farm to get a worthwhile number.

[cobalt swan]

I'm just assuming they are limited to the sunken sea biome

[deft pulsar]

they did spawn but very low rate

[cobalt swan]

Outside the biome?

[deft pulsar]

no in the ocean

and i found that after taking certain amount of damage and if they still not dead. they just simply frozen

in hard mode world

[trim kestrel]

So, I think I was talking here (including to @primal rapids) about trying to kill bosses with drills. And I was struggling and failing...

Problem was I'd been quitting out, to back up the save first, in case I messed up. I only later figured out that reloading the world reset all the drill's accumulated damage! 🤦‍♂

Just in time to film all these boss kills the day before 0.4.0 released and consigned another of my trick videos to history (before I'd even finished making it, lol!).
https://youtu.be/KgIC4A0br4c

[primal rapids]

Now do it again with craig's staff idea 😄

Anyway, gotta watch that video when I get home, sounds interesting

[trim kestrel]

Hmm? Oh, new staff has unlimited range? #977128133142659102 message

So you're thinking about mimicking the Terraria trick with Rainbow Rod and matching run speed to the projectile speed, to have them all hit a boss simultaneously...? I showcased one guy's videos here (@6:18 ish and before), years ago: https://youtu.be/F3-hmMtOzbA?t=376

[primal rapids]

this: #977128133142659102 message

is there a known issue with multiplayer and the map table? I got the markers from another player, but the map itself didn't update

[iron scarab]

On normal, adding the purple slime under the spike might actually help after all. This is in dirt biome and seems to help but in the sea it seemed to spawn the slime more often then the other mob.

There are many drops too with not a lot of build up

Even the city mob and fungal area seem to work

[primal rapids]

answering myself: apparently yes, known issue, but inconsistent

[trim kestrel]

Yeah. That's what i linked...! 😵‍💫

[trim kestrel]

Or do purple slimes just drop more loot items...?

[primal rapids]

missed it, thought it was the youtube embed

[trim kestrel]

Looks like Omoroth got melody'd (there's your cheese spot everyone): https://youtu.be/ISmtTKvJ56c?t=28

[iron scarab]

Yes and no. There are purple slime drops but more of other in my case.

[primal rapids]

nice 👌

[iron scarab]

How many blocks away you think that is?

Also I need that bow I guess lol

[trim kestrel]

Depends on what their regen rate is. Maybe a lesser ranged weapon would do? Like blowdart, fire staff and/or lesser bows...?

[iron scarab]

True

I guess it's time to test it.

By my rough guess, she's stranding on block 19 from the boss

[lilac gale]

Boss has been doing basically the same thing, but inside the arena

Might ask them if they have a consistent spot

So long as you aren't too close to the boss it just sits there and doesn't relocate

[iron scarab]

So I should beat him now then 😄

[trim kestrel]

Who's boss? 🙂

[iron scarab]

Do I need to hold the lure or as long as its in inventory it gets used?

[lilac gale]

@burnt kindle

Lure needs to be in your off hand slot

[iron scarab]

This guy was busy...

[inland compass]

I've been noticing this on my mob farm. Certain mobs will just stand still and not react.

[iron scarab]

Yup exactly 19 blocks away. And I took it down with a scholar's staff (upgraded) and used about half of it.

Wasn't sure if it was working so went closer and at 18 blocks, the tentacles things spawn.

[inland compass]

lol my battle arena after afking over night fishing nearby

[iron scarab]

Any unintended destruction?

Like to cell walls

[inland compass]

yeah you can see the stone wall to the right was smashed by brutes, and something tore up all the furniture and chests in my throne room

[iron scarab]

Maybe if city walls are used, they can't break those

[inland compass]

yeah looks like the mold walls held up. I just wanted to have each room be "authentic" lol

is there a shortcut key to drop an item in the toolbar?

[iron scarab]

Drop item into world is default to "left trigger"

I changed it to Z but it didn't drop

[inland compass]

yeah looks like there are options for it, but they don't do anything

[iron scarab]

ya

In one drop 😮

[inland compass]

So in the update, i think the game only announces fishing caught items if they go in your inventory.

And with the added fishing gear drops, inventory fills fast.

[calm pier]

wdym

so overflow doesnt get text?

what about the thanos snap valuables thing, do u get the thing where script pulls to fast and u see the item but its not in your inventory?

[inland compass]

At the bottom left it announces the catch

But i think only if you have inventory space to place the item. Otherwise it just floats by you un announced

I had 560 unknown catches over night

[calm pier]

It doesn't even drop?

That explains

[inland compass]

It drops next to you

So i have a pile of helms and jellyfish where i was fishing lol

[calm pier]

Yeah fk golden jellyfish

[inland compass]

Usually the false casts were about 5%

Also timing with the rings is crazy

Sub 5 second hook times

[calm pier]

Its so fast

[iron scarab]

Was debating on using 2 new fishing rings or 1 and a sea foam ring. I guess 7% faster is better then +51 fishing.

[analog orbit]

What new ring?

[calm pier]

Goldfish rings

From the diving set

5 set bonus is some serious moolah

[formal cradle]

Fishing will be the next skill to max. Actually looking forward to it from mining lol

[upbeat gazelle]

I was talking to craig a while ago about whether or not the fishing stat increases the chance for rare fish. You can switch to the fishing set mid-catch to get extra fish if you like the stats of other fishing equipment better

[long dagger]

Btw for mining I don't think u get any xp for destroying weak blocks like dirt at some point. Idk the requirements for that to happen, prob just by having much higher mining dmg than needed

[upbeat gazelle]

Still not sure if fishing stat gives rare fish more often, but it seemed to in my short tests. Then again my rng with the control group was terrible lol

[long dagger]

For afking fishing do u guys use a script?

Or macro or whatever, idk much about them since I haven't used them but I'd like to for fishing since it's slow

[upbeat gazelle]

I don’t personally, but Infinity made one iirc

[iron scarab]

That's how I maxed my mining.

Was at mining 92 when I leveled the rest using dirt.

[long dagger]

👀

Did u use the new pickaxe?

Cause I didn't notice any xp when mining some dirt

Think I had like 400 or so mining power

[upbeat gazelle]

It was salmon who had the 1.5 million wood setup right?

[iron scarab]

I did it before the update came out and I used only my hand

[long dagger]

Well that doesn't disprove my point of not getting xp if u overshot walls with high mining dmg

[upbeat gazelle]

Did you test it on a new character

Should be 1 xp per hit

[iron scarab]

I reset my mining skill and took of all items as well

[long dagger]

I didn't think about that, I'm not home tho so it'll have to wait

Unless if someone else wants to do it

[upbeat gazelle]

I can do it when I’m up

Still in bed on my phone lol

[iron scarab]

😄

[inland compass]

This is what I'm testing. One nights worth @ 338 fishing. I'll add seafoam rings and any other +fishing and log again tonight.

[upbeat gazelle]

Sweet, thanks again for testing that

[inland compass]

I wrote my own software. Uses the audio cue to trigger hooking, and reads the catch message to log what was caught, as well as recording cast to hook times.

Finally ordered an aux cable

So i can loop sound back to mic and not have to crank volumes

[long dagger]

😯

Which program did u use?

[inland compass]

Wrote it in c#

[burnt sand]

You can now make an infinite range xp farm using urban moss and having multiple scholars heal one sentry golem and using a weak ranged item, since scholars heal nearby urban mobs.

[inland compass]

I already had audio and screen recognition from some stuff i did with FFXIV

[upbeat gazelle]

and here's the blowpipe test @burnt sand

[long dagger]

Can u do it for melee too if u stand around the corner and check if it agros or not

After breaking a block to hit

[inland compass]

Does the hive mother larva farm still work?

[upbeat gazelle]

setup

1-shot a dirt wall

1xp per hit

every time

[long dagger]

Hmm

How much do other blocks give?

[burnt sand]

swords have enough reach to do it this way,
but its better to just have a slime farm in this setup
(yt credit: SC AWAKENING)

heres my adaptaion

[upbeat gazelle]

Every type of wall only gives 1 xp per hit, so long as you have the soft mining requirement to get it as a drop

this is why afk mining works best with the highest tier wall you can break

since it takes more hits overall

[iron scarab]

Ya my melee farm used purple slime with no stats or gear on as they regen enough from fist dmg to never die

[iron scarab]

The problem I found is the walls seem to disappear after being broken. At least it did for me. With dirt once it got done to end of stack, they all popped back into inventory. Tried with grass walls and they just vanished. But I did all by hand to not worry about tool durability.

[upbeat gazelle]

If you hold down left and right click, they somehow disappear a lot faster than if you macro rapid clicks

I think it's like the opposite of a dupe bug

a deletion bug if you will

[iron scarab]

I didn't use a macro just changed buttons on keyboard and had something heavy on the key

[upbeat gazelle]

My grass stack was going down super slow

yeah like I said, holding both down at once seems to do it more often

that's why I switched to my razer mouse's macro function

apparently if you have more stacks of walls in your inventory, it switches to those

[iron scarab]

oh i see

[upbeat gazelle]

I almost wonder if it works sort of like holding shift for a torch, where it looks for ANY torches in your inventory

[iron scarab]

I always had 2 stack of dirt and never had an issue with keyboard

just other block types

[inland compass]

i would just macro moving right and placing blocks, then moving left and punching blocks

eliminates the lost block issue

[long dagger]

The way I have my mouse pressing a button the whole time is by pressing it first then powering it off, it'll think it's still pressing the mouse button when powered off

Idk if it'll work for everyone but it's funny that it does work for me

[upbeat gazelle]

button lift is a separate input in the razer mouse program. Probably denying the lift part lol

[burnt sand]

Projectile Clipping
It has been my observation that visual changes do in fact change the hitbox with it, because of this you can shoot projectiles at just the right angle through the visible crack and still hit enemies without their AI being able to aggro on you. I've used this tactic to safely farm ranger xp.
https://imgur.com/a/zvAGMDq

Magnetic Rings
I'd also like to take this moment to let people know that the new magnetic rings(polished) have a range of 3 tiles if both the item and character are spaced evenly and centered on the tile just so you know the range. Which are very useful for contactless mob farm collection since items will phase through walls of any thickness regardless so long as they are within range.

[upbeat gazelle]

I didn't know that bit about not aggroing them necessarily, so that's neat. The diagonal walls thing is pretty well known though.

good 2 know on the rings

[burnt kindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISmtTKvJ56c

[iron scarab]

Yup

[burnt kindle]

yep i figured it out myself

😄

[iron scarab]

19 blocks away fyi

tested it out

18 is trouble

[trail badger]

oh my.. that makes life.. much more manageable

[iron scarab]

Indeed

[burnt kindle]

no more potions needed

[burnt kindle]

so. they did fix it not to go sideways anymore

easier to build gold lightbeams now coz they dont drop just anywhere near you.

[iron scarab]

let hope they never made drops disappear 😛

On that subject, what would be the cheapest item that can make that kind of beam?

[primal rapids]

the first three boss drops

[lilac gale]

Farm glurch

Anything legendary does it

[iron scarab]

Cool

[burnt kindle]

it disappears?

damn i left a runesong on the water :c

[lilac gale]

No no they don't

[burnt kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-harvey-thank-you-jesus-grateful-praise-gif-9591328

[lilac gale]

They were saying hopefully the devs do not change it so they do disappear

[iron scarab]

Ya sorry for the heart attack 😄

[burnt kindle]

goodbye

[upbeat gazelle]

the reflection of the rune song makes it look like it's turning into another legendary bow

can we get a trick weapon in the new update? lmfao. Right click switch attack styles

[burnt kindle]

this man wants some switchaxe from mh XD

[upbeat gazelle]

I was thinkin BB tbh

MH would also be sick

[burnt kindle]

anyone tested if you can make EPIC amber larva puddings? 😄

can send pic here?

[inland compass]

pretty sure epic needs 2 gold ingredients, right?

[upbeat gazelle]

I think Kev said it only takes 1, but I could be totally wrong

[formal cradle]

I see you're a man of culture

[burnt kindle]

you can do double masterchef proc

before

i think double masterchef proc still works now coz my speedy glowy fishballs are green blue and epic so this is double masterchef proc no?

ahh i know whats happening there is no double masterchef proc but one proc comes form the GOLD ingredient then master chef procs on this proc. so you get EPIC

[lilac gale]

Epics only require one, it's easier with two. With one you need the master chef proc to happen twice on the food basically.

[burnt kindle]

so you cant have epic amber puddings coz we cant put gold in it.

coz i want the +100 hp food item XD rip

[iron scarab]

Like this?

[burnt kindle]

yes but epic. confirmed cant do it

[iron scarab]

I think rare is as high as you can go with that one

[burnt kindle]

yea

[fading nebula]

hacks XD

there are like 1000000 ones

hacked

[gusty epoch]

Yay all done making the Morpha trophy mod lol

[fading nebula]

on black market servers

[fading nebula]

nice

[burnt kindle]

hammer coming 😄

[gusty epoch]

which hammer?

[fading nebula]

can we get it to exploit it if it axtually comes XD

[gusty epoch]

Knowledge hammer?

[fading nebula]

XD

[gusty epoch]

All I did was put the trophy in the drop table with same rate as Ivy trophy

[river hamlet]

skelleton thing seems btw also 1000 tiles away from the core

can anyone proof that?

[burnt kindle]

just but it if you cant find it

[fading nebula]

i know but if the update hits it will be 2 times chance XD

[gusty epoch]

I thought of that

[fading nebula]

i know

[burnt kindle]

you can put that quote on a shirt.

XD

[river hamlet]

i found it, i want some other ppl that also found it

[gusty epoch]

if the trophy is already in the table it just tells you to delete the mod lol. Also what skeleton thing are we talkin about?

[burnt kindle]

time to spread my quote then so trade chat becomes more lively

ahaha

[fading nebula]

nice

[gusty epoch]

ahh I haven't found that one yet

[fading nebula]

wanna sell it? XD

[gusty epoch]

I don't think I've got 1k tiles out so maybe why

[river hamlet]

nope

[formal cradle]

Haven't found my ring yet either

[river hamlet]

mine

[fading nebula]

bummer but i understand XD

[river hamlet]

i mean...

[iron scarab]

geez

[burnt kindle]

ive found this 3x already

[fading nebula]

i need a couple i am hoarding new stuff

[fading nebula]

trade?

XD

[river hamlet]

can u tell me ur tiles?

[burnt kindle]

how you even count that

[fading nebula]

he is to lame to figure it out

[burnt kindle]

im using 2

[river hamlet]

https://www.craiginsdev.com/maptool.html#

[burnt kindle]

sold 1

[fading nebula]

bummer

[river hamlet]

just grab those 3 worlds and type in "1000" distance

[fading nebula]

place bridges like i did XD then find out easy ways exist

[river hamlet]

if the circle hits it, tell us

if not, tell us

[fading nebula]

XD

[burnt kindle]

i didnt check but id say its 1000 coz its way before the crab boss 😄

[fading nebula]

well i go sleep now cause i have test week coming up but i am gonna f u c k it up

[gusty epoch]

In a good way or bad way?

I hope good

[fading nebula]

well i wont go sleep but yeah just hang around here XD

[fading nebula]

thats a bummer for both of us XD

[river hamlet]

):

no exact numbers ):

[inland compass]

can anyone do me a favor and test the stun talent

it doesn't appear that stun is wearing off mobs, at least when a mold tentacle stuns them

i'm heading out for a bit, i'll test it more when i get back

[upbeat gazelle]

All of my unique structures were found before the vault, so all were under 1000

[upbeat gazelle]

It’d make sense to me that 1000 is the higher bound of the unique structure spawn ranges, but I can double check if mine is at 1000 exactly

[river hamlet]

👍

[river hamlet]

(Vault is also on same line so no swaps)

[upbeat gazelle]

yeah none of my structures spawned past the vault

[long dagger]

the bone structure is at 1k or less then?

[upbeat gazelle]

rather

all of them spawned closer

so yes

[long dagger]

nice, thx

[river hamlet]

Hmm

Then it is just rng that mine is on exact 1000 tiles

[upbeat gazelle]

I think so

I'm pretty sure the unique structures that aren't like, required, have a random range they can spawn in with an upper bound

like before, the clear gemstone maze could spawn as far out as the wilderness

I searched my entire cave biome and never found it lol

[deft pulsar]

Can we list here all possible unique structures in the ocean please? I found many but not sure if anything left that unfound?

[inland compass]

I do not believe unique structures have an upper bound. It is purely random, and loading so many chunks before 1000 tiles out happens to usually load all the unique structures

we'd need Captain to do some "research" on this

essentially start a fresh world, use nographics, and an azeos finder. Teleport out to 2000 or so tiles along that angle and fly around.

confirmed that mold tentacles perma-disable enemies

amusing to see the giant robots deactivated by getting shot

wonder if bosses can be stunned

[upbeat gazelle]

It's very possible they don't. From a developing standpoint I don't see why they wouldn't put an upper bound on em though. Otherwise it'd be frustrating having to make multiple worlds just to find everything in the game, yaknow?

Also that's very interesting about the tentacles

might be good for mob farm setups

[inland compass]

even player stun perma stuns lol

[gusty epoch]

That's strange, is that the ranged skill?

[inland compass]

yeah

i need to make a slingshot so i don't kill them before stunning

[long dagger]

crabs probably need ground linked to water to spawn, the boxes were enclosed and non of the 4 spawned anything and i placed both kelp types to test spawns in some of them.

some ended up spawning in the bottom right

none spawned here

ima afk more to confirm

they prob need light to spawn

slow spawn

so light isnt needed, kelp not certain yet, tall kelp not needed or acts like regular kelp for spawning

[long dagger]

another spawn in both these rooms

[lilac gale]

They do not need the kelp at all, I had one spawn on me while fishing here

If that helps with your testing at all

[long dagger]

top room had 2 spawns with no kelp but it does help if others confirm it

[lilac gale]

It just spawned in the top left of the little island here

[long dagger]

they prob need to be within 10 or so tiles of a water source. just gotta find out if its biome locked and if the water needs to be beach water

since the other rooms were further and didnt have spawns

[gusty epoch]

I completely walled myself in except one square for my boat, buggers still spawned in there till I put flooring down.

[lilac gale]

Further proof

[long dagger]

just need to find this out now

not playing currently so if someone else wants to test it rn then pls do

[lilac gale]

I'll see if I can make an area to test that while I fish

[lilac gale]

And now we wait. All of the internal area is 11+ tiles from water

...welll

ok so testing is already done lmao

It is on the edge, so within 20 tiles of water maybe

[trim kestrel]

Ha, for a minute I thought you were saying that players could get perma-stunned by e.g. mold tentacles.😅 Less fun.

[trim kestrel]

Oh cool. Could you hit multiple sentries, along a diagonal path? For more hits per shot? E.g. with grubzooka? And so faster XP?

Higher tier weapons don't give more XP per hit, right (excepting blowpipe)? Is there a new one without durability, though?

[lilac gale]

I did finalize my testing results

[long dagger]

the new legendary isnt good for xp farming, high dmg and it spawns a ghost

[lilac gale]

.

Grub would be good if they were in a line for you to maximize hit count

[trim kestrel]

So, when I speculated about kelp, I was more thinking it might increase the crab spawn rate, or pull spawns in near them.

But most suspected it was a coincidental occurance I'd wrongly jumped at, because there's just kelp all over most beach areas.

So thanks for testing both.

[lilac gale]

You could honestly use the wall collision bug and shoot down a 2 wide straight line

I'm not sure that Grub shots go through though

Since they have what appears to be larger AoE

[trim kestrel]

Oh right, there's at too. With zero chance of return fire...

I guess grub projectiles would need to have best chance to always hit walls for reliable mining, right

[lilac gale]

Yep that would be my guess

I can give it a test after I give the spawn box another 10 minutes for spawns

I tried to edit it lazily to see if I could notice any "limit" to spawn distance from water

[trim kestrel]

Anyone tried a chess board of sand and sea for a potential tentacle spawn boost?

[long dagger]

i was thinking of trying that

[burnt sand]

you could line up a bunch of urban mobs in a single convayor on a long line and use grubzooka if you dig a hole around the end of the convayor so nothing escapes

[lilac gale]

I do not believe there is a distance associated with water for crab spawn requirements

The internal area is all at least 25 tiles from water, one is there

If there is a distance, it's a fairly large number for it to even exist to begin with

[trim kestrel]

Makes sense. So main requirement is almost certainly beach sand + being in biome.

Question (arguably) remains if they have an equivalent spawn rate booster to the new mosses (yet).

[lilac gale]

Thus far yea, I could attempt to test out of biome here in a minute

I am going to switch to another biome to fish for a bit before headed off to bed

[long dagger]

i shouldnt have tested it with such small rooms

[inland compass]

they very much seem like the old caveling spawns

[lilac gale]

I have 76 floor on me conveniently, so I am doing 76 tiles of spawn potential. We shall see how it reacts.

[upbeat gazelle]

I think someone confirmed tentacles don't spawn outside the biome, and I imagine crabs would be the same, but still curious what ya get

Intep is about to test whether alternating moss types in a spawn room increases the efficiency of spawns

[lilac gale]

I assume so as well, but I'd rather know than not

[upbeat gazelle]

absolutely, knowledge is the goal

[gusty epoch]

I sat in my canal of sea water for a while and no tentacles

[upbeat gazelle]

Good to get another account for consistency. I'll consider it fact then

[inland compass]

lol i did this earlier today, it was entertaining. needed more blue slime though, cavelings overpowered everything else

[upbeat gazelle]

What spawner types did you use?

[inland compass]

all of them

[upbeat gazelle]

how much more efficient would you say it was?

than say, separate farms with chunks of same type spawners

[inland compass]

i don't think the spawnrate was any higher than my separated area next to it

[upbeat gazelle]

hmm, that would support my and your theory that it picks a number and finds spots to spawn em without considering the number of spawners

I think that was your theory anyhow

I could be remembering wrong

[upbeat gazelle]

pretty colors

[inland compass]

mold wasn't spawning on individual tiles so i cleared out the middle section for it

[upbeat gazelle]

We were also just talking about how cavelings and infected likely have different spawn mechanics more akin to the theory mentioned, since they typically spawn in groups whereas slimes can spawn 1 at a time most of the time

interesting that it applies to separated vs grouped spawn grounds too

[lilac gale]

I didn't afk a super long time, but I got no spawns here. I may try more tomorrow in another area since I need to sleep for work tomorrow.

[inland compass]

I'm also signing out for the night. Fishing macro started. We'll see if +fishing changes any statistics.

[long dagger]

a crab spawned here, not much ground needed but they seem to spawn a bit slow compared to other mobs

testing this rn for tentacles

[trail badger]

this hurt my brain to make @upbeat gazelle

and it drops my frames down to sub 20 if im in the center

[upbeat gazelle]

ah yes, tessellating moss

[trail badger]

i originally had an afk box in the center, but realized i woudl probably compromise some spawns there

[upbeat gazelle]

probably only like 8 tbh. Think we confirmed things can spawn 5 blocks away

it'll be better for your RAM and cpu tho

[trail badger]

so i guess what.. afk overnight and the chest the drops to see what all i got?\

not sure what im testing this against or what itll prove

[upbeat gazelle]

uhh I guess I can use my 8 10x10 farms as a comparison?

not exactly the best control group but

unless you feel like making the whole thing again lol

2 things you're looking for would be if you get like multiple chests of loot or an insane number of backed up mobs

[trail badger]

ill get multiple chests just in the dropped armor 😄

[upbeat gazelle]

maybe. Mine didn't even get 1 after a full night

[trail badger]

my 13x13 do

well.. combined

Alright.. Locked myself in a box. ill try and log a time of when i get back on

[long dagger]

5 tentacle spawns all around the edge of the island but none in the checker pattern. im not counting the one shown in the 2nd ss as in the checker pattern since its still connected to the open water since bridges dont block water @trim kestrel

[upbeat gazelle]

ah so it works like mold ground then

[long dagger]

probably

[upbeat gazelle]

@long dagger

[long dagger]

gonna have to test it with bigger water pools

[trim kestrel]

Discord won't show me that message, as quoted, did @inland compass edit or Discord being weird?

Anyway, mold used to spawn mobs on individual tiles, proportionately as much as on consecutive tiles:

[trim kestrel]

Nice work. Interesting. So chess board pattern's not a turbo spawn trick for tentacles. But's we've seen them spawn in isolated 1-tile pools in the middle of sand, so that's possible. And they clearly like top spawn on the coast...

So maybe spawn event are located randomly, and then find the nearest coast spot...?

[long dagger]

I think they require a larger pool of water and spawn rate gets boosted if adjacent to a ground

[cobalt tiger]

Does anyone know the block count distant for the boundary of what is loaded into and out of memory?

[long dagger]

City and beach ground work, perhaps other types as well

[cobalt tiger]

Also, if ya'll are talking about spawns, I wrote up a long thing on it a while back on my theories, idk if someone has come forward with any more fruitful research since then.
But as far as I can tell, that theory still holds water.

[long dagger]

Haven't seen it but would be nice if u shared it here

[long dagger]

Running this as a last test before going to sleep, gonna afk on this a bit more

[upbeat gazelle]

he didn't edit, just discord being weird. He said mold wasn't spawning anything with just individual tiles. Needs to be grouped up to spawn infected

[trim kestrel]

Like I say, though. Maybe it's changed, but it definitely didn't used to be true.

Maybe it could be deceptive to see, because a chess board would need to take up twice the space for the same amount of spawn surface. My pictured configuration would need 4 times more space.

[cobalt tiger]

[1/2]
{Note: This post was directed at someone who was asking why slimes weren't spawning on their farm.}

So you're more or less getting "spawn blocked"
(This is as far as I know. I don't know the game's exact coding, but I know how in general one would approach this sort of thing)
((In fact, you mentioning that your base is so close to the farm and that the farm is small, is another point towards me thinking this is how this works.))


So tiles in this game are loaded and removed from memory outside of a certain radius of the player.
Cause keeping everything loaded all the time is impossible.
When the players move around the tiles on the far outside edges of that radius are moved into memory as they come towards the player and are removed as they move away.
(Note for coders: this may not be as literal as moving them into actual ram and such, it could just be enabling/disabling those tiles for update via adding/removing them from a list.)

So it is my belief that spawns in this game are selected to be on tiles when those tiles are loaded into memory.

As it's not efficient to just scan over EVERY tile around the player over and over again to check if it meets the conditions for spawning an enemy.
Nor is it very efficient to select a random tile and see if it's okay for spawning an enemy, and if not, just pick another one. 
And BOTH of these methods are TERRIBLE for performance if there's no viable tiles for enemies to spawn on around you anyway.
You're just making a bunch of checks constantly for no reason.

So back to the idea of loading the tiles in to memory. 
Instead of checking a bunch of places to spawn something constantly...
Just select some random amount of tiles (or even all of them if your system is up for it) as they're loaded in to memory and put them into a list.
These selected tiles, we'll call them "spawn_possible."

[trim kestrel]

Can you link?

[cobalt tiger]

[2/2]

So now you have a list of "spawn_possible" tiles this doesn't mean that the tiles are "valid" for spawn, just that it's possible they could be used.
(Possible means it's not like... water or empty space, there's some floor tile present.)
((Valid means that there's the prerequisites for enemy spawn present for that tile. Generally just something like slime ground, or molded ground, or chrysalis.)

Now, you can just at your leisure* go over the list one tile at a time and check to see if that tile is "viable."
(*Note: leisure meaning during the game's idle cycles, or rather, when it's not busy doing other processes like rendering or logic processing.) 
If it is, move it to a new "spawn_viable" list and remove it from the spawn possible list.
So you you repeat this until the game's "spawn timer" count down reaches zero.
When it does, you can safely select a handful of the tiles in "spawn_viable" list and spawn enemies on them.
Then just reset the "spawn timer" and do it all over again.

Now, if you're astute you will realize that this all sounds well and good but there's a problem.
We only ever enter a tile into selection for being "spawn_possible" when it's loaded in to memory.
So if your character is not moving, and new tiles aren't being moved in to memory, then the tiles that end up in "spawn_viable" will always be the same.
It's possible to have a greater number of tiles in "spawn_viable" than the number of enemies you spawn, but it's still only gunna cycle through that handful over and over.
So if a specific tile in your "farm" didn't get marked, too bad.

[Ooop, missed a bit/2]

Now, there's an obvious way to fix this, just move outside the range of the farm so it's moved out of memory, and move back.
So the game takes those tiles and throws them back into the "spawn_possible" list and they can potentially get enemies on them again.
tl;dr - game only marks tiles for spawn when they're loaded (so when u spawn into the game or move into a new area) if it doesn't mark the tiles in your farm and you never move far enough away from it, enemies will never spawn there
(again, I don't have solid proof of this theory yet, but there's a lot of damning evidence of it.) 

Now, I will add to this, that with the new update they added checks to keep machinery running outside of these limits at all time.
As I'm not 100% sure how much of the backend they shifted around to do this, things like enemy spawning may have been changed or effected as it may have become more difficult to do the old way OR the new way might have allowed the enemy spawning to just piggy back on some larger processes already at work.

[trim kestrel]

That's a lot of info, will try to read later. 🙂

.
So, fireballs happen to travel at about the same speed as minecarts. Slightly slower. And I could get up to 12 simultaneously, before the earlier ones timed out and spontaneously died.

So, you could definitely explode glurch like this, I think. With a high ranged damage build. Not that impressive, perhaps.

[burnt kindle]

yow

ahaha looks fun

XD

[gusty epoch]

Put in all that effort to have your aim just be slightly off to the side and they all hit a wall right before the boss 😛

[upbeat gazelle]

I think someone one shot hive mother with a scholar staff doing that

[long dagger]

seems like a pool of 8 tiles is enough for tentacles but how low can u rly go

dunno if ima test it much further for the time being so someone else may wanna pick it up

gn

[trim kestrel]

Clearly 1 tile is viable. Peace and I both had tentacles respawn in pools like this.

The question: is 1 tile of sea water, in an expanse of sand, as efficient for respawning tentacles, as many tiles of water? Like, does the open ground area determines rate, while the presence of water edge just determines the location.

[verbal creek]

Does these crab/tentacle spawn work near the core, or it needs to be in sea biome?

[upbeat gazelle]

tentacles are biome locked, and crabs appear to be too

[verbal creek]

sad, that's why the beach sand with sea water near my base do nothing

[trim kestrel]

That's interesting, if you're right in attributing the cause of your fps drop to that diagonally striped caveling moss ground covering... (You've not got sprinklers nearby have you?)

What game mechanic cares about the topology of the spawn surface, to the extent it makes it do a lot more calculations? Spawn mechanics, one would assume...

.
Did I imagine some asking about loading distances, just up above...?

I was just testing to try and find a new source of major fps decrease, in my core base, and it seemed like it stopped after 100 tiles in any direction and returned within 80 tiles.

I think it was the sprinklers. But taking them all out hasn't resolved it. So maybe it's their accumulated effect on the ground they watered? Or the crops...? Or something else entirely (I've changed very little in days)... 😵‍💫

[deft pulsar]

they spawn on a pool of 3-4 tiles before when I was doing the blue slime boss

[cobalt tiger]

that was me and the return being smaller than the departure makes sense

loading things that aren't loaded you want to do as soon as possible, were as unloading stuff you might want to wait incase the player ends up doing a quick turn around or something or getting knocked/launched back.
now granted, there's nothing in the game that's gunna knock you 90+tiles over the course of the time it takes to load an area.... yet

though i suspect it's to protect from rubberbanding from lag into a black abyss

[trim kestrel]

It's a hysteresis-like design, that avoids potential dithering of rapid loading/unloading at the boundaries.

It used to be easier to tell some loading ranges, like electronics stopped at 120 and reloaded at 100. And robot arms stopped working at 80 tiles. But automation is all infinite now, somehow. Even drilling objects, I think. 😵‍💫

[cobalt tiger]

That's more or less what I was getting at, though without knowing anyone's personal background I tend to over simplify. :')
It's something you encounter in hardware a decent bit as well to prevent rapid flickering within a system.
But around 100 is good news as it means my farm idea won't be too cumbersome to implement.

And it actually become viable this patch, where as last patch it was slightly not so

[trim kestrel]

Oh right. Although, I think mob spawns can occur out to ~200 tiles. But not sure about if they move, behave differently, e.g. with conveyors, etc.

[cobalt tiger]

That's what I mentioned earlier, is that the ideas I had for how mob generation worked (pre-sunken) may have changed dramatically depending on what wizardry is at play for "infinite machines."
Hmm, 200 tiles is a bit more cumbersome however.
I suppose one could do a test with an extremely long conveyor connected to mob spawning ground and waiting at various distance intervals for long periods of time to see if anything trickles down.

The idea more or less involves moving the player across the boundaries for refreshing/setting spawning tiles. As only specific tiles seem to be "marked" for spawning upon being loaded by the game. This is why some players will report they come back to their base or load into the game and find their slime farms or whatever, no longer spawning anything. Which of course is fixed by either departing from the farm a distance greater than the mob-spawn-marking distance or by just closing the world and reloading it.

But the farm idea is going to achieve this via a minecart loop in an empty open expanse, forcing all of the possible spawn tiles to be set ONLY to those within the farm space, and the player collecting the items as they fly by.
Another benefit of this being that by leaving and re-entering the barrier, you also more or less "cycle" the spawns in general, which given the correct setup may lead to a more optimal spawning rate of enemies in general.
However, previously this would not work as the player could not collect from the distance set by a piece of fence, but now we have MAGNETS!

[trim kestrel]

(Big) minecart loops could well be decisive. It can seem like a bunch of spawns get quickly laid out as one arrives, sometimes.

I've also certainly felt like spawns for an area are either on or off (lumpy). But I imagined that it's the game picking out a few areas, around the whole world, to update at a time...

But then that wouldn't fit with there being a max spawn range. If that's what's happening. 🤔🤷

[trim kestrel]

What you describe in this sentence is precisely how Terraria spawning works, heh! From looking at it's code with other smarter coders, then confirming behavior predictions, in game. ~6 years ago.

Every game tick, Terraria rolls the dice, to see if there will be a spawn, based on the local rate set by player's biome.

Provided the mob cap (for biome) hasn't been reached, it picks a random x-y coordinate in a slim border area around the edge of a max resolution screen.

If it finds an empty tile, a spawn even occurs. If not, it re-rolls location, up to 50 times in total.

Game looks straight down from an x-y tile that found space, until it hits a surface.

Type of block determines biome spawn pool to roll mob selection from.

If there's 2 wide by 3 tall space, new mob gets created into array of up to 200 NPCs.

Point being, this kind of stochastic (monte-carlo like) method is not that inefficient. Not when you're only getting 1 or 2 spawn events per second, tops.

You may be right that the game doesn't spawn when it's busy with other stuff. And may update an area's readiness to spawn when movement/loading occurals. 🤷

[long dagger]

Did it spawn when generating that area for the first time or was it a natural spawn? Meaning the area was already loaded and it spawned after loading it in

[trim kestrel]

Both

[long dagger]

Cause I'm kinda doubting it was a regular spawn and I'm thinking they may spawn in a 1x1 when loading in the area for the first time

[trim kestrel]

Pre-spawned and respawned when i walked a short way off-screen and back.

[long dagger]

O it did both ur saying? So u killed it and it spawned back

Weird how my checker board didn't get a single spawn in an enclosed pool, may have to expand it and retry spawning some more again

Since I wanna make sure it'll work for player made 1x1 even tho it may not have a difference

[trim kestrel]

Interesting example of raiding party pathing in this tweet video. Think it's because the player mined through an area after the party was spawned and routed? https://twitter.com/CoreKeeperGame/status/1539926599251918850?t=NWLoV1vcq6zr9EsG0YOxmA&s=19

Core Keeper - Sunken Sea Update Out Now! (@CoreKeeperGame)

We're not saying it was premeditated, but it sure looked like those Cavelings were waiting to ambush CraftingCrystal! 😮

https://t.co/UYCgKyyxzo

Twitter · Jun 23, 2022, 11:01 AM

[long dagger]

Did they perhaps follow his exact steps even though there was a small shortcut to his tunnel?

[obtuse star]

there are scent trails in the game

[trim kestrel]

Serious? They used for anything else?

Play collision detection does keep track of the last 8 tiles you stood on, to backtrack you, in case you get stuck in scenery.

[obtuse star]

well things can follow you back to your base

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1621690/view/3031478431788547435

it was added back then

[trim kestrel]

Oh, thanks. Right. So that's when the raiding party logic was added in, way back in last October.

[obtuse star]

not necessarily, the raids are a separate thing

[primal rapids]

We speculated at some point that the "other map" (timestamp map) could've been used for the scent/raiding pathfinding, but in the end the most likely use for it is merging maps in multiplayer based on pixel timestamps

[obtuse star]

but the raids might use scent trails, and its why enemies dont always just go for the shortest route to your location

[trim kestrel]

So regular mobs, already there and standing about, might suddenly switch to come chase you?

But hard to confirm which it is, if they have to be off-screen first, for it to kick in...?

[primal rapids]

To explain a bit more: the (mini)map is stored as a PNG, but there are two PNGs in the same file, other one called "timestamp"

[trim kestrel]

What's it look like, a heat map?

[primal rapids]

Sort of yeah

Blue-green heat map

[trim kestrel]

Could it be updating every relevant pixel, every tick?

[primal rapids]

Probably updated at the same time as the normal minimap

[trim kestrel]

Which also continual, in memory, but not on file...?

I'm not sure why I'm asking, sorry. Raw curiousity.

[primal rapids]

I think continuously in-memory (to show the minimap) and flushed to disk when you open the bigger map (according to what craig said earlier)

It seemed to me it was flushed on a timer before, but maybe I'm mixing it up with the world file

[trim kestrel]

Not both? Although... I had noticed that some mapping is occasionally missing after a crash...

[iron scarab]

Curious if this is still true if you are standing on a bridge on the water

[trail badger]

so replying to your eariler comment, theres no sprinklers in this area, and actually it was as i was adding the 900 odd spikes needed for the build that my frames started to tank

[trim kestrel]

Oh. That is quite a lot of spikes, heh.

[trail badger]

they definitely had a party last night

@upbeat gazelle

There ya go skooma.. do with that what you will

Equip drops are probably whatever, guess a good base could be the gems/gears/skullshards

[trim kestrel]

That's not a huge amount of gems and gears, for an over-night grind of a 1000 tile caveling farm.

Or is it only the regular cavelings that drop them, as the wiki says?

[trail badger]

i know that the urban drop them as well

though probably at a lower rate

i think this is going to be a multi day thing.. i now need to tear it down.. and rebuild it as 1/3 sections of connected spawn ground

[iron scarab]

Quite the haul from 1 kill

[iron scarab]

I wonder how the brute didn't destroy the spikes or ground spawn blocks.

[trail badger]

he had nothing to fight

so he never swung his club

[iron scarab]

Oh none of those mobs are hostile to each other?

[trail badger]

na

dey friends

[iron scarab]

Cool

[inland compass]

Fishing skill does not change chance to catch rare fish, or fish in general it appears

sigh, mold spawns not doing their job

[trim kestrel]

Caveling UPRISING!

[trim kestrel]

That a bug then?

[inland compass]

don't think so

like Fishing points i should say

someone was asking about it the other day

[solemn saffron]

Caveling Brute tilled the moss ground the infected got countered

[inland compass]

With the stun bug, usually one tentacle was enough to overpower everything

I wonder if it doesn't work unless I'm on screen

[solemn saffron]

dose it work if you use 2 tile of fence around the tentacle?

[trail badger]

With shamans and scholars they would eventually get the tentacle

[inland compass]

Not really, they can't one hit kill a tentacle. And the stun is permanent

Usually they die from an errant bot blast lol

[long dagger]

was just unlucky when testing it last time

was working on a bigger checker pattern to test if they rly spawn in a single tile of water

does it prevent spawns if theres a specific amount of mobs already present nearby?

[inland compass]

For moss no

Look at my screen shot lol

[long dagger]

i dont consider that to be an absurd amount for a mob spawn cap

ive seen more but that was only once when i loaded my mob farm in the first time after the update

it was packed with cavelings on one side and mold cavelings on the other

but since then itd have less than a 3rd of the spawns whenever i came by

i wanna know what kind of spawn limits there r and if its separate for different biome mobs

[lilac gale]

I'm pretty sure it's not. Fishing power only impacts the speed of reel in, like tension increase, and maybe how close it starts reeled in. I'm not 100% on the last one though. It's kinda silly they don't better describe what it does.

[inland compass]

Well i have about 3000 catches with 2 different fishing power if anyone wants to analyze it

[lilac gale]

Oh you recorded it all? Lol

[inland compass]

Lol yeah

[lilac gale]

Damn lmao

Dedication

[inland compass]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12maJzUC0FJTSDF5cliWBzVSsuNQTJdFtX--zoBCgnvM/edit?usp=drivesdk

Last 2 tabs

My program does it not by hand lol

[primal rapids]

I've been "testing" (more like I was lazy and built only one unit so that I can get some coral) this design, and since it's pretty good on it's own already, I think this might be viable in practice even with all the new weirdness/issues with roots getting stuck etc

[lilac gale]

The H shaped one?

[primal rapids]

yeah

[lilac gale]

Hmm ok ok

[primal rapids]

I'm interested to see how the old columnar design would compare in the current patch, maybe with a setup like this for example

[lilac gale]

Did anyone test to confirm/deny crabs spawn outside the biome while I was away?

If not I'll do some testing when I get off work in a couple hours

[primal rapids]

your test was the last one I saw at least

[lilac gale]

Yea I thought so, I was hoping someone just didn't post results yet lol

[trim kestrel]

Someone said they had seawater ans sand at their core. With no spawns, but you'd need a substantial amount, to convince me it didn't work for sure. Even if I expect it shouldn't. Like wilderness cavelings on grass.

[trim kestrel]

Heh. Nice. If the tentacle spawn algorithm works as I suspect, it might be just as (or more) effective to have just a few, isolated water holes, in an expanse of sand. (As a possible comparison, with the same land area.)

[lilac gale]

I'm pretty sure it doesn't work, that they're biome locked, but I'll do more testing if I don't get occupied with something else

[long dagger]

everyones busy with their own thing

i got an idea on mob spawn and mob limit but working on it rn to c if im right

may take more than a day for reasons

[trim kestrel]

Yes. Like, my 10x10 orange slime test chambers, in dirt biome near core base and further, have never exceeded 9 slimes. In hundreds of hours.

Conveying mobs away from a the immediately spawn area definitely seems to relieve this kind of cap. Letting a whole load accumulate within 20 tiles away.

[long dagger]

thats nice to know, i was thinking itd work like that

but then what if...

its one large spawning area and everything gets pushed into a corner of it, will it still continue spawning nearby?

[trim kestrel]

Everything in my life "takes more than a day, for reasons"... 😅😮‍💨

[trim kestrel]

That's what I've seen a lot of, previously. Could have been changed/tweaked.

[long dagger]

i think its either false or very slow

or spawn cap limit is somewhat shared across the map

much testing is needed

[inland compass]

I mean i could set up a 10x10 orange slime, then conveyor in a set number of blue slimes

Then see if any orange spawn

[long dagger]

that would help find out if different biome mobs share a cap

[inland compass]

More effort than it is probably worth but i could paralyze 100 blue slimes and add them to each tile as well. See if an occupied tile prevents spawn

[long dagger]

idk if thatd be worth the effort

[trail badger]

think if we asked for a Q&A with the team theyd answer these questions? 😄 😄

[upbeat gazelle]

I definitely need to upgrade my caveling farm size then, alternate tiles, and switched it to all spikes instead of conveyors

I have my own theory about the lag coming from the number of mob-spawn calculations, since there was a different type for EACH block of the farm as opposed to say, a 10x10 of connecting spawners

good info. Great test

[trim kestrel]

That'd be cheating though... 👀

[upbeat gazelle]

Maybe when I learn how to mod the game, I'll find some... insight 😉

[primal rapids]

yeah I think the modders are the best source of very technical knowledge, but it's also fun trying to figure out everything in-game

[upbeat gazelle]

absolutely. Starting a test at night and coming back to find new info in the morning is fun. Some of these tests have diminishing returns based on the specificity though

[gusty epoch]

I got some beach sand set up in the stone biome, will idle a bit and see if any tentacles spawn

It’s in my sea water ravine, so if tentacles wanna spawn it’s good conditions for it I assume

[primal rapids]

it is set up 😁 place your bets

[long dagger]

prob not a good test unless if u afk close to it

since wood growth is weird

had a row of columns and 2 of them produced like 5 times more than the others despite being the same build and side by side

[primal rapids]

yeah, it's probably useless to do much testing with all the weirdness

but maybe if I give it enough time the weirdness evens out

and I can't play much so I have time to afk near it

[trail badger]

the lag only kicked up when the spikes started getting placed

it didnt care about the moss at all

[upbeat gazelle]

ah

hmm

AH! Maybe since it's running overhead checks constantly to detect mobs

[trail badger]

I just blamed it on Peace and went about my day

[upbeat gazelle]

that works too lmfao

[inland compass]

just had a crab spawn in a 10x10 sand room, connected to water that was bridged over, in the sea biome. if that helps anyone

[gusty epoch]

I’d imagine they have mobs trigger traps rather than traps check for mobs. Way less mess that way

[trail badger]

it wasnt even them activating

[upbeat gazelle]

that's true, but what would be causing the lag then?

[trail badger]

it was just them getting placed down

[gusty epoch]

Plus slimes basically hunt down traps lol

[inland compass]

still counts as an item in the world though

[gusty epoch]

Seems strange but I don’t have a clue.

[long dagger]

forgot u cant dig this up, now im disappointed

[gusty epoch]

Is that obsidian floor?

[inland compass]

yeah

[gusty epoch]

Why tho

[inland compass]

check out the map viewer and you can filter to obsidian

[long dagger]

should be fine if u just afk by it, ur not gonna even it out by afking away from it since its weird

[gusty epoch]

Did you place it down yourself? Lmao

[long dagger]

no

its natural from the destroyed caveling houses

[gusty epoch]

Oh I see

[long dagger]

theres a couple across the map

[gusty epoch]

Yea I forgot about those

[primal rapids]

it's a weird choice of flooring, since cavelings can't even spawn on it, and there's no reason to protect it from the player (like in a boss arena for example)

[long dagger]

hopefully they change the floor type completely before actually giving it a purpose in new biomes

[trail badger]

well look at that luck 😄

[upbeat gazelle]

I STILL don't have any other figurines besides the scholar ones lmao. What's your scholar/sentry setup?

[trail badger]

a box

[upbeat gazelle]

poison slime under the spikes?

[trail badger]

a murder spot

yup

[upbeat gazelle]

gotcha, I need to add some to mine

screw it I ain't doin anything

time to afk

[long dagger]

forgot the mazes have obsidian floors

[trail badger]

so.. for the sake of gem/gears/skull frags

i think its best to just do a stone caveling

the others dont drop it in any great quantitiy

[iron scarab]

Just the 1 mob spawn type in there with purple slime on traps? how big is the box

[upbeat gazelle]

with full spikes instead of conveyors

[trail badger]

so all the belts are urban moss under, the spike strip is poison slime under and its a 13x13 box

and for the record im sure thats just 2 sentry figures.. not 17 😄

[iron scarab]

Ya the grouping is weird.

And what biome is that in

[long dagger]

ive gotten 4 tentacle figurines...

from crabs alone

[trail badger]

also.. either blue somes drop more or spawn faster

its almost always double

its in the dirt

yup 2 figurines

[iron scarab]

Ya sea seems to suck for spawns outside of that biome, besides slime

[upbeat gazelle]

@trim kestrel I am JUST now confirming the fence thing you were talking about. the dirt block is the only fence I can walk through. The other 3 have full collision next to water.

I had to walk pretty far off screen for a while to make it work

like, unloading distance

[long dagger]

there prob is a shared mob cap, usually i come back to 20+ slime (the item) but only got 2 this time, i usually killed the other mobs too in the other small rooms but left em alone this time and ig they took the spawn cap up for the slimes since i only for 2 drops this time

there was one hiding

[trail badger]

im not sure how this game caps mobs... my ghorm tunnel probably has 200 slimes

[iron scarab]

ya same

[trail badger]

i should go resummon him

[inland compass]

i just introduce cavelings

and it fixes the problem

[iron scarab]

I've come back sometimes and seen like 100s of mob drops because 1 brute got loose

[long dagger]

it prob spawns within an area if limit isnt hit then they could go into an area with a bunch of mobs

[upbeat gazelle]

just procced a tornado in my backed up caveling farm

soul abilities never felt so good

[iron scarab]

I just hate that they can break your builds

I never have them on

[upbeat gazelle]

the tornadoes can't

[iron scarab]

well the azeos one anyways

[upbeat gazelle]

yeah I never have that one on

did use it to light up my farm though

now it's pretty, and it only required dying to crab 3 times while punching it

[iron scarab]

😄

[long dagger]

brutes can spawn in 1 wide, dunno if others already shared this

[upbeat gazelle]

yeah I'd seen a few people talk about it

considering it fact now though 👍

[long dagger]

now as for crabs and sentry, idk

[cobalt tiger]

try making a checkerboard and then saving and exiting the world and reloading it.
or make the checkerboard and then leave up to 200-300 blocks away from it and come back

[cobalt tiger]

idk much about raids but i have noticed they seem to occur more often when i'm on low life

[long dagger]

@cobalt tiger

[cobalt tiger]

wait do we have a confirmation on that or?

[inland compass]

7000 casts worh of stats

[cobalt tiger]

gotcha, sorry, im catching up on missed messages and just replying to stuff as I go. :')
Didn't realize there was so much I'd missed in the last few hours. xD

[inland compass]

By skill i guess it could be called fish power

[long dagger]

i went to the core, i closed and reopened my game and afked for about an hour, i was just unlucky and shouldve afked longer or made a bigger spawn area in the first place

dont worry, nobody is forced to read every msg

[cobalt tiger]

makes sense. I suppose I was just extremely unlucky yesterday trying to catch the mining damage fish from the sea biome and ONLY catching uncommon and above fish for 40 fish straight, it definitely was a bit unnerving to say the least.

do fishing pools have a greater chance at rare fish? or is that a static rate as well?

was your 7000 across pools and normal, or just normal?

[inland compass]

No idea, i afk fish

[cobalt tiger]

afk fish? like with a bot or just watching something else?

[lilac gale]

From what I can tell the fishing spots only guarantee the fish pool

It doesn't change anything else

[inland compass]

I wrote software to fish for me

[lilac gale]

I've fully leveled fishing twice now and haven't really noticed anything mentionable

[cobalt tiger]

cool, good to note, though i still did suggest baits/items that increase rates of catching common fish

cause there are quite a few you may want to target farm

[lilac gale]

Purple bait will be your friend

I believe that's the one for higher quality fish

[cobalt tiger]

i wanted common fish, not rare and unique

[lilac gale]

Right

I did just read that

Brain lag

[cobalt tiger]

xD

all good, well cool. this is all neat stuff to know.
now if we can just get fishing on boats ;__;

[lilac gale]

Makes so little sense that we cannot

Considering that you can do everything else

[inland compass]

i don't have to fish for food for awhile 🙂

[iron scarab]

This 3rd city just doesn't want to be found... not sure where else to look

[inland compass]

aren't they at fixed radii?

[cobalt tiger]

All three of ours were right next to each other

[iron scarab]

ya I have 2 at the bottom there and the vault just to the right of them

[lilac gale]

They are yea

[cobalt tiger]

Also, I'm sure others have noticed this by now, but just in case anyone hasn't, in regards to portals:
Keeping a portal and a recall idol in your inventory at all times is super useful if you need to head back to base and dump inventory quickly and essentially negates the CD time needed for portals. (Granted that you have a portal already setup near the core.)
Cause you can tp to portals that aren't charged yet, just not from them. So you can drop portal, recall, then tp back whenever.
And if you've got a partner they can also drop a portal for you to just come back if you die.

[lilac gale]

It'll be getting changed most likely

Sven the developer has noted this as a bug

[cobalt tiger]

I hope the change is "portals have no charge time"

[lilac gale]

It won't be unfortunately, but maybe they'll at least reduce the timer

And make it global

Cause its kinda dumb I gotta stare at it lol

[iron scarab]

What was that site for the game map? to measure the distance

[inland compass]

https://www.craiginsdev.com/maptool.html#

[iron scarab]

Can't see where else is big enough to hide this 3rd one

[inland compass]

man when moldy boys are backed up by a tentacle turret they clean house lol

[iron scarab]

Finally

Funny enough, found it from the side and the 2nd room just happened to have teh core

[gusty epoch]

Well I idled a while with a strip of sand next to sea water in stone biome and no tentacles spawned, increased it to 3 tiles deep. See if something spawns now

I made a little island too, just in case it needs to be surrounded by sea water

[iron scarab]

..and my portal vanished from inventory lol

[gusty epoch]

oof

how did that happen?

[iron scarab]

Not sure. I brought a portal, chest and repair bench as always.

I mean not the end of the world, got the pieces for bow, was more to go back a raid the place.

[gusty epoch]

Do you want me to bring you a spawned in one?

[iron scarab]

I already recall idol'd but ty 🙂

[gusty epoch]

ok

[iron scarab]

Ah yeah...

[gusty epoch]

?? Are you in a boat on land? lmao

[iron scarab]

the core lol

[upbeat gazelle]

wait does recalling work in a boat

oh no, nvm

[gusty epoch]

well nothing spawned

[upbeat gazelle]

dang, not enough characters to emote "myth busted"

need two t's

[iron scarab]

I didn't want to try incase boat remained lol

[upbeat gazelle]

yeah it straight up blocks it

like fishing

[iron scarab]

That's good then

[long dagger]

it takes ages to clear the outer ring

[lilac gale]

Been fishing here for 2 hours, have not had a single spawn. I'm going to rule out them spawning outside the biome itself

it's 180 tiles of spawn potential

Interesting little interaction going on here, I wonder who will spot it first 👀

[upbeat gazelle]

I will! the shell arrangement

shell always spawns on the top left piece of ground

idk if that's what you mean lol

[lilac gale]

it is yea

It also appears to move downwards if you get to the end and dig down

however it only went down two y axis blocks before it disappeared completely

[upbeat gazelle]

Wonder what the priority order for ground modularity is. Might be neat to test for getting certain textures to reproduce in the smallest tessellating pattern

like seeing how many of those shells you could fit on one screen

[iron scarab]

Ya blocks are so weird.

It's like those loot boxes, I wish they dropped as they were not as 1 kind. You can't choose which to place.

[upbeat gazelle]

caveling tiles too. I like the design but the chance of getting perfect tiles for a large base is probably astronomically unlikely

[river hamlet]

Tbh its also fast if u dump ur inv in a second world and grab the loot from there, when u are at home

[river hamlet]

And now trade/replace every ground to stone

[long dagger]

i got a better idea

[long dagger]

its painfully slow

[primal rapids]

I haven't yet afk'd properly at the tree farm, but yesterday the score was about 230 for the new farm and 200 for the old farm. I play on a dedicated server on the same device. I exited the client and left the server running but hibernated my device and went to sleep. Now that I came back and joined back, both of the farms pushed out piles of wood on the conveyors and the results are now 585 for new farm and 1277 for old farm. I guess with the catch-up mechanics it is better to have more growth spots and more drills 🙄 Anyway, I'll still start the proper afk test as well.

on paper the new farm should have 6 root plants for every 4 root plants of the old farm within the same space, and 25 root plants per drill compared to 8 root plants per drill in the old one (post-nerf, pre-nerf it had 16 per drill + could grow 4 at once)

so TL;DR: per area efficiency should be 6:4, per drill efficiency should be 25:8

next idea: abuse the catch-up mechanics to improve farm efficiency 😄

[inland compass]

You think the dedicated server uses system time to catch up?

Could easily abuse that by changing your system clock lol

[primal rapids]

yeah I was thinking the same 😁

haven't tried it yet though

[trim kestrel]

Anyone one else have major fps loss and manage to trace it back to their sprinklers, too?: #📷-ck-media message

[forest lodge]

I dig up my sprinklers when I am not using them, because of the lag

[trim kestrel]

Right. But once the ground tiles have become glitched, it seems you have to fix them, to resolve the fps drop. 🙂

[long dagger]

i dont think i had an fps drop with them... but it may have been the cause of the crashes

[trim kestrel]

It took a long while to accumulate the issue, for me. And I had a dozen clusters of 4 overlapping sprinklers.

Then, yeah, it lagged me out of the world when I was trying to fix it.

[gusty epoch]

Does anyone know if hard mode only changes health and loot or are there other factors too? I’d imagine enrage timer for bosses and damage dealt by mobs.

[trim kestrel]

Be nice if the devs would document this kind of stuff, eh...?

Anyone here also in the Wikizet discord? Like, those people must know (or be able to access) a bunch about the game. Presumably been decompiling the assets out for images, drop rates, etc...?

[gusty epoch]

I’m just getting drunk so hoping someone knew, but I can look it up later. Lol

[primal rapids]

actually no, 25:20 for area efficiency, or 5:4 simplified

not a great gain

and that almost matches the afk test results

right now at about 600:500

and if we move the drill in and add the three extra, that makes the columnar more space efficient too? 🤔 oh well

actually within the same space it will be 25 for both farms, 29 if you add the extra plant, but that will increase the depth by one tile

this is (probably) the best you can do with the current patch, it will have good rates afk'ing next to it and good catch-up rates (also nothing new here, this was already discussed when the patch landed)

[analog orbit]

Red being root and brown being wood?

[primal rapids]

green is root plants, orange is root/wood, red is drills (they would point sideways in the first one and point up in the second one)

[analog orbit]

Gotcha

[primal rapids]

after I'm done with this test, I'm going to modify the old columnar farm into the 0.4 version and see how they compare

uhhhm...

can anyone explain?

okay I'll run more tests, it may just be the weirdness factor

[analog orbit]

I have heard that sometimes the roots grow wood even when they haven't fully grown

[primal rapids]

yeah now they grow wood in all stages except the seed one

[analog orbit]

Very nice

[primal rapids]

if you want to make a hipster wood farm, you can first water the ground and then place the seeds afterwards

they won't grow into full stumps, but will still work 😛

[gusty epoch]

Wait really? That’s strange

[primal rapids]

that's how I made this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/977128133142659102/987078928411807815/unknown.png

[gusty epoch]

Oh that’s cool lmao

[primal rapids]

now that I built this, I think the plants next to the drills probably can't grow, since they're not part of the root already, and they would have to grow into the root

[trim kestrel]

How long were the conveyors in this? Wondering if you could have had invisible resources that confused things? But if they fed straight to arms to chests, then no.

[trim kestrel]

@long dagger looked at this a whole bunch, several days ago. I was uncertain of the result of the testing. Largely because growth rates are so random and halting, between identical farms.

But I used this in my design, what do you think 27 roots to 1 drill:

[primal rapids]

ooh

maybe that design with 3 drills would be a good compromise for catch-up efficiency as well

the leftmost one still gets about half the rates of the others

[trim kestrel]

Oh... While you're baby sitting them?

[primal rapids]

yeah I haven't left the area

[trim kestrel]

Again. I still wouldn't put any weight on that, personally. Given the variations i saw in Frost's identical setups side-by side.

As big a difference as you're seeing, between identical builds.

How would a (deliberate) mechanic explain that if it's real though?

[primal rapids]

I wouldn't call it confirmed either, but I have a hunch there's something going on here

the real test I wanted to do is whether multi-drill setups with one plant produce more wood with the catch-up mechanic

and I will, later

[trim kestrel]

Right. That could make sense.

Otherwise, the only other way it could work, with one growth tile at a time, is if it picked a random direction before trying to grow. And then wasting the growth instance if it's blocked.

[primal rapids]

it's suspicious that it's exactly half of all the others

the first test ended up with: 20, 40, 40, 40

but yeah, small numbers, could be anything

could be chance

[trim kestrel]

why is the 2 drill not nearer 20, then? I'm leaning towards fluke that it nearly looks very neat.

[primal rapids]

by the way, if we forget the catch-up mechanic and extra drills, could you add 4 plants to this and still have it fit in the same area, if you put them to the left and right from the drill?

ah, maybe not

yeah, won't work

[trim kestrel]

I was thinking about similar. I'd go with this instead, for that. With a singular conveyor down the platforms, so it could be mirrored down and stacked adjacent horizontally...

Stumps back to back for a drill efficient design.

23 to 1.

[primal rapids]

why that instead though? isn't that just less plants

[trim kestrel]

Neater... Don't have the issue of some of the roots in the bottom row not being about to grow around the top...

[primal rapids]

not sure I follow still

it would be left vs right, they're almost the same, no?

[trim kestrel]

I don't think your bottom right and left root stumps can reach around the top, there.

(Left design.)

[primal rapids]

yeah I first thought they would, then that they won't and now I think they might

[trim kestrel]

lol. I keep looking over and counting it out on my growth range example. Bomboozles my breain.

[primal rapids]

now I'm back to it won't 😁

it gets cut off here

[trim kestrel]

yeah

[primal rapids]

anyway, if you have time, try repeating the "one stump with 1-4 drills" test

[trim kestrel]

"Time"... I've only just had chance to find my first sea dungeon. Taking a chill day...

They seem... Very easy compared to mould dungeons. Maybe I'll have to go back and check I'm not just more prepared than I realise.

But much easier to move and dodge

more space too.

[primal rapids]

I only have time for tree farm tests, because I mostly have to play afk 😅 they're quick to set up and then I can afk

wish I could play the new content

[trim kestrel]

The inventory management is hard work... Seems like most of the game... Want to get around to making (decorative) builds to store and eventually display all the stuff. But should probably give up on that...

[trim kestrel]

I set it up... And, oh, you may have to be careful with reading the output (wood) item numbers straight off stacks on the ground. Well, with mining, at least they've been failing to stack together. Potentially hundreds of items with no number, seems like.

[primal rapids]

alright

[gusty epoch]

Merging is being weird I guess?

[trim kestrel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/977128133142659102/987449152331972639/2022-06-17_-_0.4.1-17e0_-_Invisible_uncollectable_ore_from_250_tile_long_conveyor.gif

Lose item rending is dodgy, basically, yeah. What with disappearing on long conveyors too...

(I wish selecting a gif didn't inst-send the message, sigh.)

Anyway.

I just thought to check on the processing times of each type of metal ore. After a comment on my Steam mining guide...

It looks like (my intuition was right, that) you only ever really need one furnace/smelter per boulder.

Except, strictly speaking, if mining octarine with 8 drills, you'll get a 3 ore backlog per hour. Totally up to 45 ore by the end of the 15 hours to depletion. If you pick it up exactly at the end, in one go.

[iron scarab]

Not bad..

[trim kestrel]

Preliminary result. Maybe onto something...

Note I screwed up forgetting to go fetch a 3rd drill for the middle right. But that gives a control comparison, i suppose.

[gusty epoch]

I’m not sure what I’m supposed to draw as a conclusion here

Make it stupid for me

Below is better or..?

[primal rapids]

for some reason 1 plant 1 drill has half the rate of 2, 3 or 4 drills for a single plant

but it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the drills

[gusty epoch]

Ahh alright

[primal rapids]

the thing is, there is no known reason for it to do that, if the plants always grow 1 root anyway, why does it matter if it has 1 or 2, 3, 4 available tiles

[primal rapids]

uhhh... is it a known issue, that when you exit the game while in a boat and rejoin, the game puts you in the sea and resets you to bed?

[trim kestrel]

Think I've seen some complain about that. You lose inventory?

[primal rapids]

kept inventory

[trim kestrel]

Good.

[trim kestrel]

I noticed, half watching recording my duplicate setup, that the one drill didn't harvest any wood for ages, after the first piece.

So, I think it's missing growth ticks. Which means that my previous assessment of growth speed (time between ticks) will be way off. 3m50s it averaged to... I thought. But i may even have forgotten to account for sometimes getting double wood drop.. 😳

So may have to re-do that, on video, next to 2-way growth.

Also, your next step will surely be to scale up, to rows of 8 or 10 stumps, growing out 1 or both ends, I'd suggest. 🤔😄

[iron scarab]

I wish there was a creative mode so we can pre-build things to see how they look.

[inland compass]

could just make a test world and dupe everything

[iron scarab]

I suppose. Or copy the world to another slot

[inland compass]

that's how you dupe 🙂

[iron scarab]

Oh right lol

Sorry if it's been mentioned.. does this farm work for new coral?

[full pawn]

yes

[calm pier]

Niceeeee

[iron scarab]

Thanks 🙂

[trim kestrel]

Natural coral fragment generation hit dirt for its first tile...?

You playing the new content? 🙂

[primal rapids]

sort of

I'm scouting our multiplayer world

[trim kestrel]

2x advantage seems to hold, roughly. Mostly generated far from base.

Top right. 2-way growth row (from 8 stumps) grew 215 (when picked up).
1-way grew 119.

So, having multiple growth directions for each stump is still advantageous.

[lilac gale]

What @trim kestrel said is correct. I've seen this in the Wilderness too

Deep within it as well, not on the edge

[primal rapids]

now I get to go into the new sub-biomes 🎉

[iron scarab]

Nice

[trim kestrel]

Got one of those earlier myself... 🙂

I take it we've tried robbing the sea dungeon vending machines with robot arms, right?

[iron scarab]

Mhmm

[inland compass]

anyone have issues with crashing while doing the hive mother xp farm?

ranged seemed to be OK, but melee is crashing my dedicated server after about an hour

[iron scarab]

I've crashed twice while "fishing" before

[burnt kindle]

this thing really dodged my searching good

now amma spank her hard for being a bad girl

[iron scarab]

My new fishing hole. Will have 1 for each type of water at core (4 total). Thoughts on something to add?

Wish we could rotate things..

[upbeat gazelle]

pedestals for the unique valuables

[iron scarab]

See I wanted to put the different fish in the net but can't rotate and some have 5 types

Added a stone chair (small one) and a stone pedestal at the bottom with a fish on it, kind of like cutting the fish there

[upbeat gazelle]

oh, could use the small gold tables

since you can put 6 on there

[iron scarab]

Oh... right

[upbeat gazelle]

although it won't fit in the room currently

[iron scarab]

no single block tables eh?

[upbeat gazelle]

not that I know of, just pedestals

[iron scarab]

I mean it's not a terrible alternative

[upbeat gazelle]

work with what ya got lol 🤷 I'm sure they'll implement more in future updates, but it's gonna take a while

[long dagger]

Lol, ye I tried when it worked on npcs

Ima try another test on wood growth, it'll be a weird one so it'd be surprising if results vary

[upbeat gazelle]

@rich belfry

[upbeat gazelle]

@rich belfry the results

after an overnight afk sesh

my 10x10 farms didn't provide nearly as much when clustered, and I had one for each caveling type

so it looks like alternating moss types works well for spawning

[rich belfry]

thanks! thats very helpful info

[iron scarab]

full spikes too?

[upbeat gazelle]

only stone caveling

the rest are conveyors to poisoned spikes

[iron scarab]

ah

[upbeat gazelle]

haven't had any backed up mobs since adding the poison

[iron scarab]

except mold

[upbeat gazelle]

still haven't made a mold farm lol. I probably won't since I've gotten every item like 5 times over

[iron scarab]

Yea that's true

[inland compass]

so mob farms need to be near the player to spawn anything huh

[upbeat gazelle]

yeah we were debating the max spawn distance

definitely less than 500, since my sea base doesn't spawn anything at my core

maybe more than 200?

[inland compass]

at 300 my arena didn't spawn anything

[upbeat gazelle]

Let me see if I can find the discussion real quick

yeah the closest thing I got is ZeroGravitas said 150-200 is max spawn range

apparently nineforty tested it

he also made that post a month ago

so it could be subject to changes that came with the update

[inland compass]

right, i figured with automation working all over maybe there was a change

or maybe the chunk needs automation in it

[upbeat gazelle]

I have conveyors in my farms and there's nothing spawning when I'm 500 away

[inland compass]

also i went out to the sea biome, changed my computer clock to the next day, then came back to my wood farm and it did not fastforward 24 hours worth of wood 😢

[inland compass]

new method of afk melee leveling

[long dagger]

U could use the plants left by the farmers

[upbeat gazelle]

why's he not aggroing you? perma stunned?

also fencing off another scholar below him would allow him to get healed

infinite punching bag

[inland compass]

yeah he is perma stunned

and he regens faster than i can punch i believe