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#Core Keeper University
trail badger
trail badger
its part of the update, the fixed drills/belts
iron scarab
ah so I can set up so drills on boulders all over the map and will all be done around same time?
trail badger
• Automation structures (Conveyor Belt, Robot Arm, etc.) now work as expected at an infinite range.
iron scarab
Niiiiiice
Excuse me while I make a stack of drills then 😄
I assume mob farms still need you to be in a certain range?
trail badger
im working under the same assumption, my fungal farm didnt do anything while i was in the wilderness
rocky salmon
hey chads, is there a new optimal way to make wood farms now? after the update
full pawn
I didn't change my wood farm but the output increased after this update...
iron scarab
I'm wondering if the lit floors are reducing some spawns. The slime ones, larva and I think fungal seem fine. Rest are slow. Will try without lights.
upbeat gazelle
Just checked my farms this morning after afking overnight and the damage numbers stacked up on the larva 👀
iron scarab
lol I saw that before 😄
upbeat gazelle
didn't know that could happen lol
iron scarab
I noticed when I updated and my mold farm was loaded with mobs
upbeat gazelle
btw, my lush and stone moss farms aren't really killing the cavelings
might have to put them in a murderpit with infected
or put poison slime under em
iron scarab
Ya mine either, testing with all spikes. I had poison under the traps but I think those spawns took priority.
upbeat gazelle
8/100 spawners shouldn't be horrible. I'll try it out today
plan on afking some more in a bit
iron scarab
Could be a combo of factors. Maybe lights lower some spawns, maybe too many different farms in one area, etc.
going to try 1 at a time
Slime seem good no matter what though
upbeat gazelle
wait, were your spawns being reduced? my farms were backed up, they just weren't dying
I did find on my other world that out of my 3 poison slime farms, the furthest from my afk spot never generated ANY slimes though
iron scarab
This was my loot in the morning. All dead mobs though.
upbeat gazelle
think there's a max efficiency for mob spawning, based on distance
but it's only per mob type
since my caveling farm a lil further still generated cavelings
iron scarab
I made a longer afk spot
iron scarab
wow
upbeat gazelle
upbeat gazelle
only 11 larva meat, 53 fiber, 11 grub kapok, and a tin axe from larva farm
iron scarab
*lit floor
upbeat gazelle
54 blue slime and 2 blue slime figurines
16 mushrooms and 4 fungal soil from shroomen
so some were better than others. You saw my light layout
I'm thinking maybe light does affect the spawn, but you got more unique drops than I did
iron scarab
You think full coverage of spike reduces spawns?
iron scarab
rofl
upbeat gazelle
not sure on that one tbh
I wouldn't have the slightest idea of how other stacked block types affect spawners
iron scarab
I will try something out
upbeat gazelle
I'm pretty sure they don't though. Someone told me last night that you could put every spawner on one tile and it would spawn every mob
iron scarab
Hmm I can only put 1 spawn floor down
upbeat gazelle
here's all the loot I forgot to include
upbeat gazelle
Hmm I can only put 1 spawn floor down
that was true before the update. Idk if they tested afterwards, but they said their preexisting spawn floors didn't change
iron scarab
Ya definitely got more variety. I think me adding purple slime to reduce healing, interfered.
No lit floors this time
upbeat gazelle
but you didn't have to manually clear your farms with a billion stacked up hunters and shamans sniping at you the whole time
lool
iron scarab
lol
upbeat gazelle
No lit floors this time
I'm gonna try poison slime under the spikes with my same setup
compare in a few hours?
iron scarab
Sure
upbeat gazelle
oh, and only testing poison slime on lush and stone moss, since those were the only ones backed up
my man's got his own farm down here lmao
iron scarab
😄
iron scarab
Indeed
upbeat gazelle
also I'm gonna do the p. slime in a C shape, only under the innermost spikes, since most mobs hover around those ones
iron scarab
Ya
My purple slime farm + 3 other farms using a 2x5 area of purple slime, I collected 200 purple slime in about 10 hrs.
But I feel the 2x5s might affect other spawns in area
upbeat gazelle
That's a lot more than I got with a 10x10, but the backed up caveling and large grubs might have something to do with that
gonna poison the grub farm too
btw half the time I can walk past a 2-long fence, and half the time I can't. Really weird
upbeat gazelle
I think the large larva do based on the stacked damage numbers when I got back on
upbeat gazelle
Just checked my farms this morning after afking overnight and the damage numbers...
otherwise this is just silly
iron scarab
Their hp should be low enough for just spikes I think
upbeat gazelle
just put purple slime on the moss btw
iron scarab
What we need are stronger spike traps variations
upbeat gazelle
Their hp should be low enough for just spikes I think
they should be, and normally they would be, but for long periods of afking I'm gonna try p slime
for sure
idk why we don't have scarlet spikes tbh
iron scarab
Or at least a tier up using iron
upbeat gazelle
I've only put one silly idea in feedback so far. I'll throw it in
iron scarab
I put it all in haha You never know what they might agree on 😛
upbeat gazelle
my one idea was a tape measure that would have something like fishing rod physics. Could wrap it around walls and stuff to measure distances, diagonal and bent
it's ambitious, but neat lol
iron scarab
Ya
upbeat gazelle
I'm staring at 2 poisoned normal cavelings in my farm survive like 100 hits of spike traps 🤔
iron scarab
I know it's so low dmg
trail badger
the poison is just supposed to help stop their out of combat regen
upbeat gazelle
oh, a hunter just died. dropped lush moss
just wanted to make sure it was working
trail badger
oh thats right you hadnt seen a poisoned enemy drop their loots
upbeat gazelle
I'd heard once or twice that they don't drop stuff, so I wanted to check before afking. Still wondering how the regular cavelings outlived the hunters
iron scarab
Ok going to afk for about 1 hr for lunch and see how the city spawns and wilderness spawn go with no light and about 50% spike coverage.
upbeat gazelle
I'll post at 1 hour then, prolly gonna keep afking after.
primal rapids
So the maptool (https://www.craiginsdev.com/maptool.html) now centers on core, and I fixed some annoyances I had with the zoom. I don't remember who asked for it, but try it and let me know if it breaks.
inland compass
You do have conveyors keeping them pushed on the spikes, right?
not sure if anyone has tried it, but I think you can almost insta kill the slime bosses with the new staff
make a very long rail stretch leading straight to the boss, line up your aim straight and fire constantly while riding the rail till you get to the boss
all the blasts land almost simultaneously lol
primal rapids
now I want a video of that if someone tries it 😄
river hamlet
So the maptool (https://www.craiginsdev.com/maptool.html) now centers on core, a...
ty this helps alot 🙏
upbeat gazelle
You do have conveyors keeping them pushed on the spikes, right?
Yeah the cavelings are too fast though and can walk wherever they want practically
inland compass
can try putting mold ground under the spikes and the close conveyors
upbeat gazelle
Might do that. Waiting on Kloned in a few minutes for an hour update on some lighting tests for farms
I used poison slimes and am testing if it cuts back on efficiency
Need to go get a bunch of mold floors tho
inland compass
like using poison slimes to kill the cavelings?
inland compass
aside from blocking the potential spawn spots, there won't be any issues
upbeat gazelle
I heard at some point that you could stack the spawners but I don’t know if anyone confirmed if it blocks spawns yet
I probably don’t have a choice to not use it though lol
inland compass
last patch, slime overruled whatever it was on
inland compass
just have conveyors push the mobs down to 1 row of spikes with purple slime under it
upbeat gazelle
Using 2 rows of 4 atm in a 10x10 farm full of conveyors.
That mold ground is prolly gonna be necessary for the cavelings like you said though
inland compass
regular cavelings, or wilderness/urban ones?
last patch i had no issues with regular cavelings
upbeat gazelle
Technically both. Watched 2 farmers and 2 regulars outlive a hunter
OH
a brute escaped
And killed me
Lmfao
inland compass
yeah my buddy left a bridge up and i had scholars killing me at the core
woke up next to the new blue boss and was pissed lol
iron scarab
After 1 hr afk and mostly manual killing..
upbeat gazelle
I’ll post drops one sec
Cleaning up my death mess
He destroyed 3 chests of loot lol
inland compass
yeah the city mobs are annoying
iron scarab
Ok full spike for wilderness mobs and they die fast
inland compass
you can always afk using the fire aura set to add additional damage 😄
upbeat gazelle
I still don't have the scholars up yet. Was thinking about doing a mold/moss murderpit
loot from 1 hour with the purple slime under the spike traps
lush mobs were backed up again and had to kill them manually
cave mobs somehow escaped? idk what would have aggroed the brute to attack though
iron scarab
Def need better spikes
iron scarab
traps aggro the brute
inland compass
that must be new this patch
iron scarab
I wonder if the same would happen with hive spikes...
upbeat gazelle
well when I afked last night, they never broke the traps
iron scarab
really?
upbeat gazelle
yeah the only time they did was when a slime walked by
I wonder if a mob somehow made its way past the farm
inland compass
right, if you use purple slime to prevent healing, they will attack any slimes that spawn
iron scarab
Ok going to retry them then.
inland compass
but pre patch i had no issues with regular cavelings dying to spike traps, so probably only needed for wilderness/urban
upbeat gazelle
I might have to remove the stone moss farm and throw it in with the murder pit. Just have to find a way to keep brutes from tilling mold ground, like have my mold bit separated and convey the infected over
the reg cavelings were dying with the purple slime + spikes but the brutes are an issue
inland compass
i had a 80x100 patch of stone city that had conveyors down to a 1 row of spikes
no purple slime
iron scarab
If you have brutes with an enemy mob he will likely break/till the ground
upbeat gazelle
i had a 80x100 patch of stone city that had conveyors down to a 1 row of spikes
all my farms look like this atm with spawners underneath
iron scarab
So weird, when I exit a portal, I can walk through a door lol
upbeat gazelle
If you have brutes with an enemy mob he will likely break/till the ground
that's why I'm gonna have the mold ground further away and use the conveyors to move the infected cavelings over, since they have slow movement
iron scarab
ah ok
upbeat gazelle
then rely on natural pathing to take them away from the conveyors
no guarantee that the brutes won't destroy it though I guess
iron scarab
ya will have to see
See I thought the traps agro'd the brute, if that's not the case, the 10x10 should work
upbeat gazelle
I wonder if a brute will destroy the conveyor it's standing on? then I could just have the spawners on like 1 column of conveyors
upbeat gazelle
See I thought the traps agro'd the brute, if that's not the case, the 10x10 shou...
yeah just they don't die fast enough because of the regen I think
upbeat gazelle
took the p slime out of the stone caveling farm. guess I'll see how it goes before I add tilled mold ground to slow em down
btw did you make a crab farm?
iron scarab
I did
upbeat gazelle
works outside of sea biome?
iron scarab
Oh my farm is over the sea. I didn't try placing it in another biome.
upbeat gazelle
Been wondering if they're biome locked
since they don't have a spawner necessarily
iron scarab
could be like stone pre-update. Only spawns on stone IN the biome
upbeat gazelle
it'd be nice if we could spawn em in dirt. Then I could probably use the crabs to kill the brutes for me
inland compass
all my farms look like this atm with spawners underneath
Should just make it one column of spikes and all conveyors pointing to the spikes
Would double the efficiency due to pathing.
iron scarab
Problem is they run around and the spike do so little dmg
iron scarab
I have a full area 11x11 and still gardener takes like 30+ hits
inland compass
With your setup, theres a 25% chance that the new path position takes them into the spikes
Where a straight strip up against the wall is 50%
inland compass
i want to make a murder arena, i'll probably do that tonight
iron scarab
I wonder if old worlds affect anything
inland compass
have a bunch of 10x10 rooms funnel into a central killing room
iron scarab
woooow
Ok so stone moss covered with spike traps took out a spawn group of 2 cavelings, 1 brute in like 4 seconds.
upbeat gazelle
Ok so stone moss covered with spike traps took out a spawn group of 2 cavelings,...
I guess that'll be my 4th test lol
lilac gale
Has anyone tested the new ranged weapons to see if they give an increased xp amount for ranged similarly to how blowpipe did before the update?
If not, I'll have to try to remember to test it when I get off work later today.
inland compass
lol it is sooo bad i never even use it
but the rate of fire seems to be pretty high, so might be worth it for afk leveling ranged
upbeat gazelle
Wonder how fast that or a bubble gun would be with max attack speed
For xp training
iron scarab
?
iron scarab
Oh figured no one had lol
lilac gale
but the rate of fire seems to be pretty high, so might be worth it for afk level...
50 hits for 0-1 with slingshot vs 17 for 0-1 with xp overflow with blowpipe
It was considerably different before Sunken came out
Don't know if they fixed it or not
upbeat gazelle
loot from 1 hour with the purple slime under the spike traps
1 hour with 1 row of spikes and conveyors all 1-way, no poison slime under stone moss
there were definitely less reg cavelings this time
and the lush cavelings seemed to be more or less unchanged
fading nebula
does someone have a good bit of wiring machines i wanna look what stuff i dont have
i have storage system,wood farm,auto smelter and just boulder stuff
upbeat gazelle
ZeroGravitas was trying to make a 24 hour clock with the circuitry but idk if he automated furniture like that
def seems to have a better understanding of those things though
upbeat gazelle
1 hour with 1 row of spikes and conveyors all 1-way, no poison slime under stone...
@iron scarab 1-way conveyors with 1 row of spikes at the end seems more effective at killing, although I seemed to have gotten less loot. dunno why that would be though besides not having p slime to kill stone cavelings
Still need to try tilled mold ground to slow em down
iron scarab
Ya I'm testing out the difference between any ground and their natural spawn blocks to see if there is a difference.
On hard too
in dirt biome this time
upbeat gazelle
🤔 "in sea" "pre-update" ?
upbeat gazelle
oh gotcha. I don't think there's a difference tbh. It's only the unexplored areas that matter because of how chunk generation works
everything you haven't seen yet is currently obsidian walls until you explore it
that's how they get infinite biomes
iron scarab
Oh that might explain the weird obby areas
upbeat gazelle
I think those weird obby eggs/bananas/etc are specifically tagged as a different biome
since the sunken sea was likely a giant obsidian area before the update
I didn't see mine directly but I'm pretty sure I saw it in my old world which I haven't gotten on this update
iron scarab
Oh you're in a new world now?
upbeat gazelle
my second world is my main, and was made pre-update. my farms in hardmode on a new world
iron scarab
Right is any ground block, left is specific to that mob. Lush, Stone, City top to bottom.
upbeat gazelle
lemme know what ya get
iron scarab
the closest walls are 28 blocks from middle of core
iron scarab
Ya not sure. The sea seems ok for slimes but rest seemed lower.
upbeat gazelle
tbh my slime farms were less effective out by the sea I think
I didn't afk over there for as long but
mob cap might be a thing
might not as well
iron scarab
Ya hard to say unless you dig out the entirety of the dirt area.
Which I might still do one day 😛
But it will be made into a perfect circle.
upbeat gazelle
I might do that on my new farm world
I'd like to incorporate a build with the wood still growing on the core
iron scarab
that would be cool
upbeat gazelle
one side is already missing tho 😭
analog orbit
one side is already missing tho 😭
I think you can regrow them back
upbeat gazelle
I think you can regrow them back
good to know, I will be doing this
upbeat gazelle
gotcha. ty
gusty epoch
I’d heard the same
river hamlet
megacity on 1750 -> yoda, energy string and overwirte transcript
upbeat gazelle
we confirmed that it's not the same parts every time
river hamlet
also citys are weird
upbeat gazelle
but the distance doesn't correspond to the parts
long dagger
also citys are weird
Happened to me on a new world, a chunk of water didn't wanna flow
iron scarab
lemme know what ya get
After 1 hr. Left side is mob specific block vs. right side just anything,
Top is lush moss (wilderness), middle is stone moss, bottom is urban moss (Cities)
Would like to see what's what overnight but it's almost like stone doesn't matter but lush and city are better with their floor block.
orange slimes also seemed to agro the brutes even though it was solid walls all around with a stone door.
upbeat gazelle
Would like to see what's what overnight but it's almost like stone doesn't matte...
Correlation doesn't imply causation. It looks like overall it doesn't matter
iron scarab
Ya pretty much
upbeat gazelle
like cavelings can spawn on stone, but if moss is on top then THAT is the spawner
I would imagine anyhow
topmost spawner being the active one makes the most sense I think
iron scarab
A longer period might say one way or another
upbeat gazelle
for sure, let me know
an hour is a pretty short period given the variance we've seen
lmao I was wondering where all these valuables were coming from. I've been afk mining lush walls
thought it was from my stone farm but im dumb
iron scarab
ya but an hour in my other world with 8 different farms got less variety of items.
upbeat gazelle
ya but an hour in my other world with 8 different farms got less variety of item...
Well that'd just be up to rng wouldn't it?
I got very few uniques
aside from the stone cavelings
river hamlet
mega-city is not bound to the sunken sea tho
upbeat gazelle
mega-city is not bound to the sunken sea tho
did it spawn on the edge of the biome?
river hamlet
eh no
upbeat gazelle
I saw a city spawn overlapping with the wilderness
river hamlet
but in an island
iron scarab
well I don't mean good items I just meant I got more items here then in the sea
upbeat gazelle
but in an island
in an island but not in the sea?
upbeat gazelle
well I don't mean good items I just meant I got more items here then in the sea
gotcha, but more or less same quantity of regular drops?
the idea of higher tier biomes scaling drop chances sounds really cool tbh
iron scarab
No I feel I got more here then when at the sea one
river hamlet
in an island but not in the sea?
iron scarab
which would make sense since this is hard mode
upbeat gazelle
interesting. Wonder if that has to do with the amount of spawn areas for mobs.
iron scarab
my sea one was normal mode
upbeat gazelle
so it spawned in the sunken sea and happened to be in an island. Still constrained to the biome
I thought you were saying it spawned in like
dirt biome or something lmao
upbeat gazelle
my sea one was normal mode
so far I haven't seen any difference in hard mode vs normal mode drops in normal mobs. Think it's only bosses
river hamlet
had to dig a bit
iron scarab
Ya likely
upbeat gazelle
but u cant find the yodas out from the sea
For sure, this is why I always say "find the south entrance" not, "look at the city from the south side"
also my world had 3 sunken ships, no yodas
river hamlet
the thing is this is my like 10. city, i know the diffrence between normal and big ones (size) but ye for new players it could be usefull to say, that the entrance also can be hidden in a island
iron scarab
It keeps them alive longer but doesn't seem to make them invincible.
upbeat gazelle
the thing is this is my like 10. city, i know the diffrence between normal and b...
I generally hope they would expect that kinda thing, but different levels of gamers' intuition 🤷
upbeat gazelle
It keeps them alive longer but doesn't seem to make them invincible.
just spikes or poison slime too?
iron scarab
I wonder if they have more hp on hard, and if so, a farm one normal might be better.
upbeat gazelle
they heal like 200 hp per second i think
iron scarab
no poison just spikes
upbeat gazelle
oh wait
river hamlet
also should i still log what items/entrance are in wich citys? or u think thats not needed?
upbeat gazelle
I made my farms much more difficult than I needed too lmfao
iron scarab
lol
upbeat gazelle
also should i still log what items/entrance are in wich citys? or u think thats ...
nah, I forget who was looking but he knows it's different now
iron scarab
😄
upbeat gazelle
so no problems with spike floors for stone cavelings?
upbeat gazelle
wait is that hardmode then?
iron scarab
ya
iron scarab
I feel like the drops are increased vs. normal
upbeat gazelle
1 row of spikes aint enough
long dagger
so no problems with spike floors for stone cavelings?
Need a fair bit of spikes since cavelings run around a lot and could end up regening before running back in
upbeat gazelle
I feel like the drops are increased vs. normal
it almost seems like it, but the menu says only bosses. Wish there was a sure way of knowing
long dagger
So a small 3x3 won't work well with conveyors
upbeat gazelle
Need a fair bit of spikes since cavelings run around a lot and could end up rege...
yeah craig was suggesting using tilled mold to slow them down
iron scarab
Oh I didn't know it said bosses specifically.
upbeat gazelle
might just replace the whole floor with spikes though
upbeat gazelle
Oh I didn't know it said bosses specifically.
yeah the phrasing says "increases enemy difficult and boss rewards" or something
iron scarab
Ah ok
upbeat gazelle
just got shot to death by hunters while typing lol
iron scarab
lol
long dagger
Would prefer using the base ground for spawns instead of tilling them
Unless if rates end up being the same with the new tiles
Forgot what they're called already
upbeat gazelle
we were just discussing that
the mold ground would slow them though
dunno if moss on stone increases spawn rate
so far, Kloned's test imply not
but it's only been an hour
iron scarab
Ya will run it over night then see
long dagger
Do the brutes die to spikes without much issue?
upbeat gazelle
😄
my setup vs theirs
mine isn't working for killing them I don't think
gonna move all this over to my normal world at some point if we confirm drop rates are the same
iron scarab
I find they move more since update.
The doors to each cell were 28 blocks from core, walls are 13x13 with 5 blocks gap between cells. Floors are 11x11. (If you want to setup the same :P)
iron scarab
Do the brutes die to spikes without much issue?
Yup they died in my test on hardmode.
upbeat gazelle
btw were your lush moss cavelings dying to just spikes?
iron scarab
Not quickly but they did lol
upbeat gazelle
gotcha, not getting super backed up?
upbeat gazelle
I'm not looking forward to moving my entire setup
iron scarab
I hear ya 😛
I also created a trench around the cells since slime could agro brutes through the walls it seems. Or some other mob broke the chest.
Ok will be back in a bit to check on things.
upbeat gazelle
yeah I had to block everything off because of the slimes
lookin forward to the results
im gonna move my farms
anyone got a max spawn range?
long dagger
Yup they died in my test on hardmode.
I forgot to ask, is it with poison ground and does it take effect with spikes above it?
Pretty sure conveyors don't work with it
But spikes idk
upbeat gazelle
kloned wasn't using poison slime
I was but the brutes aggro the slimes
which destroys everything
@long dagger
iron scarab
I forgot to ask, is it with poison ground and does it take effect with spikes ab...
No purple slime anywhere, as Skooma said it will cause the brutes to break everything. I will test it with mold mobs though. There has to be a way.
trail badger
even 1 tile is a spawn point
trail badger
really thats all it takes
the slime ground, the chrysalis, its all a chance spawn point even its only 1 tile
upbeat gazelle
that's why I called them spawners and not ground tiles lol
it's a property of the tile piece itself, not the added quantity
pretty sure you can fish in a 1-tile thing of water too
long dagger
Mold tentacles only stun and don't inflict poison?
upbeat gazelle
yup
trail badger
pretty sure you can fish in a 1-tile thing of water too
you can
upbeat gazelle
why do bridges have to look different next to water or ground 🤦
long dagger
So no range poison to inflict for afking stone mobs
upbeat gazelle
you shouldn't need poison to kill stone mobs in normal worlds
and hard worlds don't give more loot I think
for normal mobs, not bosses
long dagger
why do bridges have to look different next to water or ground 🤦
Prob a 2nd sprite above the water that's just layered poorly
upbeat gazelle
long dagger
That's y I destroyed my entire base to get rid of water when I had an accidental leak
Since I built most of it with bridges
upbeat gazelle
yeah, Ima just put coral floor on it
cover it right up lol
just finished the shells for my mob farms, now it's time to transfer them all over back from my hardmode world
trail badger
what are you rebuilding them to. cant decide how i want to and looking for inspiration
upbeat gazelle
my setup vs theirs
@trail badger was planning on doing this again
craig said having the conveyors point towards a single row of spikes worked better for pathing, but it looks better if it's 2 columns of 4 spikes right by the entrance
trail badger
magnet ring*
upbeat gazelle
tested these setups for all slimes, larva, shroomen, and lush and stone moss
worked 100% of the time every time
brutes will aggro other non-caveling mobs through walls though so section it off
and yeah I still need to grab my magnet ring
long dagger
2 walls wide will be enough
trail badger
can even wear two of them 😄
long dagger
The range on it is nice
trail badger
i mean.. 3 wide will probably stop any agro
trail badger
whats the buff on polished?
long dagger
Extra range and something else
upbeat gazelle
I'm debating putting my chests in between the cross sections of the walls for my farms
108% i think
trail badger
oh cool thanks
upbeat gazelle
oh yeah explosion dmg lol
trail badger
yeah maybe 3 thick walls instead of doing a pit
i just.. dont want them getting out
so maybe a pit at the collection side?
upbeat gazelle
🤷 I just use the 1 walls. The only reason they've escaped so far is from the brutes smashing the fences
which only happens when a non-caveling mob walks by
which is easily controllable
trail badger
ok so you just use the fence since you can walk by where it cant connect to the wall?
upbeat gazelle
that's the idea, though oddly enough, 50% of the time I can walk past a 2-wide fence and 50% of the time I can't
it's like it loses its semi-transparency collision
the original design I saw was 3 but it's not symmetrical
trim kestrel
The trick is to just make you grow bed dimensions 5x3 = 15 tiles square, to be exact multiples of sprinkler and scarlet hoe ranges. So no overlapping coverage/clicks.
That's a standard mathematical truck with prime numbers, etc.
Oh right. So woods grow at unlimited range now, too?! How are the devs achieving all the stuff happening everywhere, all the time?!
(Asides from current trade-off with root bugs.)
trim kestrel
I assume mob farms still need you to be in a certain range?
Curious to know if we've pinned down a range for mob spawn/kill.
Given their whacky teleporting behaviour, I assume something's changed. So may be worth ruling out that mob farms produce nothing when e.g. 500 tiles away.
iron scarab
Range I would like to narrow down too. Just getting the spawns right first.
Double brute when I went in to clear em out
trim kestrel
So weird, when I exit a portal, I can walk through a door lol
All closed doors and gates are always bugged since 0.4. 🙄 [After going off screen.]
iron scarab
Ah ok, only when I come out of portal lol
upbeat gazelle
@dusk stirrup
dusk stirrup
👍
upbeat gazelle
Range I would like to narrow down too. Just getting the spawns right first.
yeah I wanna try to clear out all mobs spawns within my afk range
iron scarab
Yup
river hamlet
All closed doors and gates are always bugged since 0.4. 🙄 [After going off scre...
Somehow i was gonna ask something like that… some1 feels like moldlings are now agro against ‚fence-gates‘?
I had to replace it every… idk… 10mins maybe?
trim kestrel
have a bunch of 10x10 rooms funnel into a central killing room
This was my top idea for a mob farm - also make it a coluseum to pit different numbers of different mob types against each other.
But automatic doors can easily be destroyed. Plus, never used to actually closed beyond 80 tiles, now off screen at all. Plus mobs teleporting everywhere... 😮💨
inland compass
just make the door like 2-3 conveyor tiles in
iron scarab
Any dmg difference between hive spikes and spike traps?
inland compass
hive is like half the damage as tin
inland compass
hive really only kills hive mobs and lower
iron scarab
Wish there was damage indicators when you hover your mouse over them
upbeat gazelle
hive spikes attack mobs??
upbeat gazelle
I thought it was only players for a while lol
lilac gale
hive spikes attack mobs??
They attack everything.
upbeat gazelle
good 2 know
inland compass
we used them to trigger ghorm's enrage
inland compass
since we didn't have tin
trim kestrel
After 1 hr. Left side is mob specific block vs. right side just anything,
Any longer results on this comparison, yet?
I'd also be very interested to get any kind of indication of how potent the caveling mosses are vs their bative biome spawn rates. And if these are additive or not.
iron scarab
Not much of a difference so far but running it over night might help.
I feel like it's a waste to have these on hard mode since the spikes are not damaging them enough as it is.
trim kestrel
that's the idea, though oddly enough, 50% of the time I can walk past a 2-wide f...
From my observations, there seems to be an association with fences changing their collider to be like a full wall block, when going off screen if placed on platforms.
Could that account for your instances? I.e. any cases where you've seen this with only a natural grond tile underneath?
upbeat gazelle
yes absolutely
that's crazy
I mean it makes programming sense but
still
I'll have more confirmation soon
setting up my new farms and plan to afk
gonna leave 1 fence spot with ground instead of bridges, and another with only 1 ground piece and 1 bridge piece
to see if it applies to connecting ones
trim kestrel
Somehow i was gonna ask something like that… some1 feels like moldlings are now ...
Don't know. Moldlings I've only previously seen hit doors coincidentally. E.g. swinging for me.
And it's [going] off screen that makes closed door's collider disappear (until opening and closing again).
trim kestrel
I feel like it's a waste to have these on hard mode since the spikes are not dam...
Ok, and yeah. Gonna need mob-on-mob farms, even in normal mode, for efficiently killing tougher spawns.
iron scarab
Trying something now. A battle royale setup
lilac gale
Mob on mob is a must have requirement for hard mode farms
If bringing sea water out of the biome allows the tentacles to spawn that would be the best means of making them
Otherwise they'll have to go into and be built in the Sunken Sea
upbeat gazelle
Peace, hard mode doesn't increase normal mob drops does it?
I wasn't seeing much of a difference
trim kestrel
If bringing sea water out of the biome allows the tentacles to spawn that would ...
I dipped my toes in the sea biome last night & noticed that a tentacle respawned twice in a 1 tile water hole in the middle of sand.
Us that common? Can tentacle spawns be focused like that? (Very useful.)
lilac gale
It may be.. I haven't specifically noticed that
I don't have many small water masses
But I have had them basically instant respawn in the same tile once I kill one and move far enough away
trim kestrel
... Aaaand i'm finally caught up. Been busy in here! (Guess I get out of bed now. 🫤)
iron scarab
want to see what the city mob does. I mean they are all cavelings so I could see them not being agro
upbeat gazelle
someone said tentacles don't spawn outside of the sea biome
said they have sea water around their base and none have spawned
someone else offered to afk to confirm that
iron scarab
Is it actually sea water though? Some waters don't travel
iron scarab
I know the water from stone and wilderness are just normal water when brought to core
trim kestrel
Yeah, please forward pix. 😅
upbeat gazelle
I know the water from stone and wilderness are just normal water when brought to...
yeah the fishing in those is attributed to the biome. You can bring acid and mold water to core though and it counts
upbeat gazelle
for sure. Someone did a test though and the glowing sea water will actually replace mold water
and mold water replaces normal water
iron scarab
Oh interesting
upbeat gazelle
so it's definitely a different kind
gusty epoch
Yea seawater beats mold 😦
iron scarab
I wouldn't mind sea water without the tentacles
lilac gale
Is it actually sea water though? Some waters don't travel
All waters travel
upbeat gazelle
seems they're biome-locked so go for it
long dagger
I dipped my toes in the sea biome last night & noticed that a tentacle respawned...
i think they spawn faster with a tile adjacent to them and with 4 it may boost it
iron scarab
Ya some are only for that biome
lilac gale
The only issue with that is the water for Ruins and Wilderness are the same classification of water type. It's the biome itself that changes the loot pool for those water sources.
upbeat gazelle
I dipped my toes in the sea biome last night & noticed that a tentacle respawned...
Just read that btw. My sunken sea base has a lot of small water spots, and they've definitely spawned in there.
spawn mechanics question: typically I see cavelings or moldlings spawn in groups at once. Is this because there is a separate spawn timer for each mob, or does it involve spawn grounds that are connected? If it's the latter, then have mob farms with separated mob spawn grounds would be faster potentially
or do all mobs share the same global spawn timer?
can't remember if I saw lush and stone moss spawn cavelings at the same time or shortly after the other
inland compass
I've had group spawns across 3 different turf types
trim kestrel
Sea fishing can be deadly if a tentacle spawns beside you.
What's the closest they've spawned? 7 tiles away, as @lilac gale has said (is the explicit limit).
inland compass
Seems like the game triggers a spawn, then picks like 5 spots to spawn mobs
trim kestrel
Seems like the game triggers a spawn, then picks like 5 spots to spawn mobs
Hmm. Could be. Spawns very lumpy.
inland compass
I fished overnight from a single hole, no tentacle
trim kestrel
I fished overnight from a single hole, no tentacle
Where?
inland compass
Sea biome
trim kestrel
Oh, sorry, but will be within 7 tiles, so as expected, cool.
inland compass
Right
lilac gale
I have seen as close as 7 in recordings I had taken to check how close spawns were
upbeat gazelle
Seems like the game triggers a spawn, then picks like 5 spots to spawn mobs
Gotcha. Seemed just as likely, but the difference has major implications.
lilac gale
I believe the distances that someone found was 7-100 tiles or something like that
I don't remember who mentioned it in here though
trim kestrel
Anyone else notice weirdly grid-like loot drop patterns like this?
I've not seen it before in this test farm (just over 100 tiles from my core base).
I'm wondering if it's a wider range of grouping items together into stacks. Or reflects where the mobs died. One of them seems to have an underlying grid pattern, like there's more approximate distances, when a certain distance off screen....?
upbeat gazelle
looks like the mobs unloaded and died without moving? That's just my guess though
my farms that I afk within like 50 blocks never do that
I don't think
or maybe they do?
trim kestrel
or maybe they do?
More data points needed. 😜
upbeat gazelle
yeah I'm thinking when the items drop while unloaded maybe it does that
I was like 25 blocks from that farm
and it looks pretty square
trim kestrel
Anyone else notice weirdly grid-like loot drop patterns like this?
I've not see...
Some of mine are also skewed off into the water. So something's off on location.
trim kestrel
I believe the distances that someone found was 7-100 tiles or something like tha...
100 tile limit for spawning? I've definitely had natural caveling spawns out past 150, possibly 200 tiles.
upbeat gazelle
From a programming standpoint, it makes sense that it would approximate the mob's location when spawning the drops since the mob is unloaded. But I honestly have no idea. I'll keep looking but my farms are vertically 1 space so it might be hard to tell
slimes definitely don't spawn in my older farms when I'm at my sunken sea base, so I can give an upper bound of 600 blocks 🤷
I am curious to know as well though
trim kestrel
A point with my farm, above, is that it's mostly mob-on mob kills. With a clutch of mold tentacles in the middle.
upbeat gazelle
interesting, I almost wonder if it's due to the simplification of projectile pathing in unloaded areas.
It would be weird if the game perfectly rendered projectiles off-screen. probably a lot slower too
lilac gale
100 tile limit for spawning? I've definitely had natural caveling spawns out pas...
It may have been 180 not 100
I just don't remember the maximum
upbeat gazelle
afked some more and in pretty much every farm, the drops are perfectly positioned in the center of the spikes
think it's just a feature of unloaded mob kills
trim kestrel
They definitely didn't use to be, right? (Would have to comb back through old screenshots...)
.
Anyone see a mob swarm bug this bad? 😮 😆 https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2823759195&tscn=1655771628
upbeat gazelle
idk about pre-update, but that could've possibly been a change to lower mob and drop lagging
lilac gale
I am re-testing the ranged xp stuff from pre-update
I will post results for stuff here when I am finished
upbeat gazelle
@stoic crystal
stoic crystal
upbeat gazelle
I could see it being the case sure
even 8 drills still takes like a whole day from my experience
imagine 8x longer lol
or whatever the math is
long dagger
atleast u dont have to keep finding new nodes so often for less ore like pre update
i dont mind the wait too much since im getting loaded
with the new markers and teleporters its so much better
and new movement speed items
lilac gale
Ranged Hits Required for lvl 0-1
Slingshot - 50
Wooden Bow - 50
Iron Bow - 50
Fire Staff - 50
Blowpipe - 17 (has xp overflow as shown in the attached image)
Octarine Bow - 50
Bubble Gun - 50
Scholar's Staff - 50
Phantom Spark - 50
So
It appears that the blowpipe still has the bug that gives is significantly more xp gain per hit
And the rest don't
upbeat gazelle
this is really good info if I decide to grind ranging
lilac gale
... now to delete all of these 🙃
gusty epoch
Ranged Hits Required for lvl 0-1
Slingshot - 50
Wooden Bow - 50
Iron Bow - 50
F...
Gave it a status it's worthy of
lilac gale
heh
long dagger
The glow
lilac gale
Just tested whether or not the full fishing set 5-piece double fish on reel in gives it's own +1 to xp gain or not. The results are that it does not. I had it proc once while leveling fishing from 0-3, which requires 16 catches to level to exactly. As you can see, I have 17 items in my hotbar which can be obtained through fishing in the dirt biome and perfectly enough xp to reach lvl 3.
This is kinda unfortunate ngl, I was hoping it would.
formal cradle
Huh interesting
Does gardening or cooking act the same where the extra item doesn't give extra xp?
lilac gale
They don't, it was just faint hope that it would for fishing.
formal cradle
Ah I see well thx for that finding 👍
long dagger
I mentioned the delay circuit is inconsistent, I don't think it could be anything else. A smaller test with it can be done with fewer wires after a delay circuit that's connected to a switch to power on and off. The clip below is my auto saw that I was working on (rather useless ik but I wanted to work on it), first 2 runs it worked as intended (forgot to put items back in for the 3rd) then the last run picked up an extra item
trim kestrel
Ranged Hits Required for lvl 0-1
Slingshot - 50
Wooden Bow - 50
Iron Bow - 50
F...
Now to put those raw figures into a spreadsheet to work out the xp per second, when accounting for firing rate. 😉
And DPS, to account for chewing through targets too fast. I maintain that grubzooka will probably be the best, still. If it's per enemy hit.
trim kestrel
I mentioned the delay circuit is inconsistent, I don't think it could be anythin...
What's the end goal with this setup?
How fast does robot arm unload? If it's near exactly 1 item per second, one can use that matching the conveyor speed of 1 tile per second, to spread items along a stretch, in front of x number of robot arms. Then turn them on all together one time, after x seconds.
long dagger
The arm is a bit slower than that
trim kestrel
Anyway. I just meant to drop in here to point out to @primal rapids that armour now blocks drill damage. it's treated like any other damage source, I presume.
So easier to use drills to hold an AFK player on a conveyor belt.
long dagger
Pretty sure I shared a previous build trying that but after every 3 successful arm grabs there's the 4th that'd miss
trim kestrel
The arm is a bit slower than that
Could that still work, with a gap every now and then between the picking up arms?
long dagger
I had it on a short stretch but ig, it might not be consistent with having 3 then a gap for each strip
It may need to be adjusted
trim kestrel
Or maybe, sync the unloading arm to 1 item every 2 tiles, by using some design of pulse generator to turn it on for a short period every 2 seconds.
long dagger
Having the arm on for a short duration would be a fix to the inconsistent delay circuit but I've yet to learn and test around with designs to power something on and off like that from one use of a switch
I could give it a shot later
primal rapids
Anyway. I just meant to drop in here to point out to <@116606267337736195> that ...
So it is possible that invulnerability works against drills now too? Btw does it take durability from your armor? And has anyone played with invulnerability after the update, can it still be exploited if you're more careful?
I.e. is it still infinite if you do absolutely nothing
long dagger
If it's fixed then try having the bed right by the boss and don't move with any conveyors when u respawn
If theything they may have just added a timer to simplify it
long dagger
idk the cause of it not working but I wanted to share it
even tho this design is bugged when loading the world if left on, ill be using it for my designs still in case they fix it
serene kraken
Do you mine sharing the auto-restart? Are you running it on linux?
inland compass
tomorrow starts the conveyor belts
sadly i haven't seen any crab spawns in the top left
blue slimes fighting the infected cavelings is pretty fun to watch
trail badger
its interesting to see moldy bois kinda put in there place isnt it
inland compass
i never knew slippery did that much, the fishing trait helps a lot
long dagger
I decided to mess with the quick ticking on mechanical arms and barely made it through without giving up, here's a sneak at the result, I'll prob work on it some more tomorrow
Is it intended for them to work faster when pulsed?
I didn't test it multiple times yet to check if it's inconsistent
trim kestrel
I.e. is it still infinite if you do absolutely nothing
I think so....? Certainly you can still tp to bed (without dying, of your know how).
trim kestrel
idk the cause of it not working but I wanted to share it
Again, not sure what you were trying for there? But logic gates have weird edge case behaviours, so possibly as intended and need to work around...
trim kestrel
I didn't test it multiple times yet to check if it's inconsistent
That's interesting! It's not just an animation bug, then? Actuap denser lay-out of items than just being solid on, eh?
You may have been the first to overclock a robot arm! 😄
trim kestrel
i never knew slippery did that much, the fishing trait helps a lot
I found slippery pretty obnoxious, in my half hour on the sand. Low fishing char of course...
Anyway, the community needs more gifs of drunken cavelings! 😅
iron scarab
What's the closest they've spawned? 7 tiles away, as <@110848516292636672> has s...
I stood next to the wall of a spawn room while I was fishing and after maybe an hour, the room had like 20 mobs.
trim kestrel
Although, they could presumably have all spawned on the farther side of the room?
deft pulsar
did the robot arm harvest the mushroom?
deft pulsar
so for the normal mushroom, we only can use drill fo now
river hamlet
As i said they will spawn and pop out, when the soil is under the spikes
deft pulsar
too bad because mushroom grow on conveyor belt
river hamlet
The arms ar for collect the drops
deft pulsar
ok i understand what you mean
river hamlet
too bad because mushroom grow on conveyor belt
Ye ik
river hamlet
As i said they will spawn and pop out, when the soil is under the spikes
I mean btw pop out as an item
So they will get harvested instantly
iron scarab
Although, they could presumably have all spawned on the farther side of the room...
For sure. The furthest block was about 7-10 away.
Also noticed something. With the fungul soil, mushrooms only seem to grow in dirt biome but not when at sea, yet mobs spawn still. Haven't tried other biomes.
trim kestrel
Oh, that could be quite useful, then. If plant mushrooms will clog up spawn spaces. Or if you just want the mushrooms to walk themselves onto a conveyor, to save messing about.
iron scarab
My trial run in the dirt is loaded of mushrooms and I didn't see a lack of spanws so maybe it's not blocked. I'll have to see once it's completely full of mushrooms.
deft pulsar
is there new sorting system that reliable?
that not breaking chest when we are far away?
solemn saffron
that not breaking chest when we are far away?
i see no breaking for me even far away
verbal creek
My ||mushroom farm||, any idea why it has much more drops on the south? (been leaving it for hours without enter to pick anything)
solemn saffron
My ||mushroom farm||, any idea why it has much more drops on the south? (been le...
hmm maybe... your position on the map when afk?
verbal creek
I was near the core, the northeast of this farm when afk
solemn saffron
I was near the core, the northeast of this farm when afk
maybe they start to spown in a radius after some block of distance from you
verbal creek
That sounds possible, I'll make another farm in a different place and see what will happen
trim kestrel
maybe they start to spown in a radius after some block of distance from you
I was going to dismiss that out of hand... But it does look an aweful lot like the diagonal cut-off would fit with a radius from the core I see on the mini-map...
trim kestrel
My ||mushroom farm||, any idea why it has much more drops on the south? (been le...
How far were you exactly? (Maybe use Caigin's map-tool, if that helps.)
We got a very clear case of grid-aligned item drops there, too, heh. 😀
verbal creek
not far at all, since both the fame and myself is in the base
the farm is the red rectangle on the bottom left
trim kestrel
So, something like 60-70 tiles, if you stood afk exactly on the core spawn...? Or.
verbal creek
possibly
I'll wait for the northwest farm for a few hours to see if it's still on the south or it's different
iron scarab
the farm is the red rectangle on the bottom left
May I ask what the colors correspond to each farm?
verbal creek
from top to bottom
Oat (dark green)
Pewpaya (lightpink)
Pinegrapple (lightpink)
Puffungi (lightblue)
Carrock (grey)
Tulip
Bombpepper
Heartberry
iron scarab
Oh I thought it was mobs. Using sprinklers? Trying to find a good design to maximize the hoe & sprinkler range.
trim kestrel
Told ya, 15x15. 😜
iron scarab
Sorry I forgot who did say that.
iron scarab
But aren't you tilling twice to get everything? Assuming you use the hoe to harvest
iron scarab
Right so would be better with 3 since hoe does 3
iron scarab
Oh OK, didn't think of that...
Can you accidentally till up the sprinker?
I know path blocks can be which sucks
solemn saffron
no you can't
iron scarab
Oh great
I'm all about maximizing sprinkler range with even tilling range.
But iron is an option now I see
iron scarab
I will have to test out the 15x15 with sprinkler placement and scarlet how efficiency
Ya that too, I suppose.
trim kestrel
So, as promised, here's how you make a door to bed teleporter in Core Keeper 0.4!
You have to circumvent the new collision detection algorithm that tries to reset you back to an empty tile, up to 8 steps back. By walking through 8 tiles with fences, directly before the door. 😉
Make sense? 🙂
verbal creek
My ||mushroom farm||, any idea why it has much more drops on the south? (been le...
2 hours passed for the northwest farm, not much coming yet but it has similar outcome
fading nebula
My ||mushroom farm||, any idea why it has much more drops on the south? (been le...
how many hours of grinding was this?
like afking
trim kestrel
Here, you wanted to know how to do the above...: #977128133142659102 message
verbal creek
like afking
cannot remember well but maybe around 5-6
iron scarab
Anyone tried fishing in pre update world's? Does the new loot drop or need a new world?
fading nebula
Anyone tried fishing in pre update world's? Does the new loot drop or need a new...
it should work pre update worlds to
iron scarab
Ok might just be suuuuuper unlucky to not get the new gear
Low % but I got like 5 helmets from sea lol
Haha just got one 🤣
inland compass
the kelp vest took me the longest
trim kestrel
And (in case anybody quietly cares?) here's an automatic door version, cycle speed optimised, to e.g. AFK grind running skill without dying.
Just move bed far left and hold down rightwards movement.
primal rapids
is there any way currently to get the player onto a conveyor after "death"
trim kestrel
have a key held down. ez.
primal rapids
I should've added with invulnerability intact
trim kestrel
Nah m8.
river hamlet
My ||mushroom farm||, any idea why it has much more drops on the south? (been le...
Oh woew 2x shroomman figurine
primal rapids
I have an idea, but it's probably not very reliable, use a root to push the player onto a conveyor
river hamlet
My ||mushroom farm||, any idea why it has much more drops on the south? (been le...
So the soil+spikes is prob acrt the best layout so far
fading nebula
And (in case anybody quietly cares?) here's an automatic door version, cycle spe...
thanks
trim kestrel
I have _an_ idea, but it's probably not very reliable, use a root to push the pl...
Lul. But how would that push you out of bed...? Or be repeatable? Or grow into a tile you're standing in...? Is that even possible?
river hamlet
Are y’all looking for a permanent loop or a one time loop?
primal rapids
Lul. But how would that push you out of bed...? Or be repeatable? Or grow into a...
right, I forgot, I tested at some point and it wouldn't grow into a tile you're in
sometimes it does, but only when you're moving
that was before sunken sea though
river hamlet
One time loop -> X-second loop before bed brakes (from drills) and a root can grow
primal rapids
probably yeah
one thing I've also wondered is if the core spawn point is blocked by a player or mob, does it place you further away
fading nebula
one thing I've also wondered is if the core spawn point is blocked by a player o...
i think you can move loading into a new world so you can spawn further away
primal rapids
oh, right, you can probably also "die" in one world and then just load another
I don't think that counts as an action
upbeat gazelle
Here, you wanted to know how to do the above...: https://discord.com/channels/85...
Ty, I’ll check it out shortly
trim kestrel
can another player place a conveyor under you?
They'd block placing anything in the tile they're standing in... But maybe using a drill to suffle them to the edge of the next tile, then conveyor... depends on edge effect of if it'll count you as on conveyor tile. (Might even be direction dependant, or something werid...)
inland compass
they should just change it so beds can't be destroyed while you're invulnerable in it
trim kestrel
Why?
primal rapids
can mechanical arms pickpocket players the same way they did NPCs?
inland compass
that's what the fun part was, you'd keep the invulnerable buff and could place a conveyor under yourself
then move along a track while invulnerable
but that requires something killing the bed, like a mob or drill
obtuse star
upbeat gazelle
So, as promised, here's how you make a door to bed teleporter in Core Keeper 0.4...
Interesting. Does it rollback the player's movement, or just push them straight back? For instance: would it work with 8 fences bent in an L-shape? Trying to think of applications besides infinite recall/base tp
nvm just tested it. Seems to rollback player movement, but changing the angle pushes the player back to the corner of the fence.
wonder if this could be used for puzzle rooms to make a maze/1-way door that only stays open for like a quarter of a second
just spitballin here
inland compass
Not sure on the logic circuits but you could use it to access a switch that locks you in but opens a door elsewhere
gusty epoch
can mechanical arms pickpocket players the same way they did NPCs?
It's probably been thought of, so I doubt it can work but they do use the same inventory handling stuff.
I wonder if I can use an arm to add items to the merchant tho lol
inland compass
Wonder if ghorm still kills them
gusty epoch
sad I can't put into their inventory 😦
primal rapids
Wonder if ghorm still kills them
I think so, at least ghorm instakills mobs still, and they only said the NPCs no longer drop their inventory
gusty epoch
They do die, but drop nothing
upbeat gazelle
anyone know if fishing stat increases rarity chance? Felt like I was getting more pink coralotls with 2 seafoam rings than with 1 and a goldfish ring. Wondering if switching to the set mid-catch would be better for the double fish chance.
sitting on 18 silver darts and 1 coralotl lol
inland compass
anyone know if fishing stat increases rarity chance? Felt like I was getting mor...
i can measure over the next 2 nights
upbeat gazelle
Think it'd be good to know, especially for going for the epic fish
I'm gonna try the switch-out now, but my coralotl rng is already terrible atm
inland compass
yeah i just macro it overnight, i'll re-enable the catch recognition
upbeat gazelle
sweet, ty
idk if it was confirmed yet, but switching to the set while reeling in the fish can proc the set effect 👍
long dagger
My ||mushroom farm||, any idea why it has much more drops on the south? (been le...
May be where u came in to load in the farm first, I think it may be the same with wood farms where it prioritizes wood growth from the first few roots loaded in a small area
long dagger
Again, not sure what you were trying for there? But logic gates have weird edge ...
It may be cause it's so quick and the circuit requires a few game tics to power from the 2 quick pulses
long dagger
That's interesting! It's not just an animation bug, then? Actuap denser lay-out ...
With the design u shared with me before for the quick pulse that works well for the item sorter, it picks up multiple items fairly quickly and surprisingly it works for the item sorter at that speed if all arms r powered as fast. Just hope it's intended at this point. Pretty sure others may have noticed it like myself earlier but I didn't mention it since I thought it was already known cause the wire pulse design is simple and well known
@ ZeroGravitas#8742
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I think it works like boats too or something, try placing the boat in a spot where u can't place a ground tile (one easy location is the yoda statues) and it'll tp u back some blocks. Only tried that once but I had other moments where I tped back a bit in open areas when hoping on the boat
And teleporter is a lil buggy, I tped back to that at one point when quickly hopping on a boat
long dagger
doesnt help that my game randomly crashes, idk the cause so its more annoying
calm pier
does someone know the hp for 2 person omoroth in hard world?
lilac gale
@gusty epoch It appears the likelihood of the ore going out the top right drill is basically 99.99% lmao
I have sat near these for awhile now
gusty epoch
I've had a few come out other sides but it's mostly top right yea
I just went back to fully surrounded in conveyor cuz why not
Bout to test out if adding morpha trophy worked
Made it same drop chance as Ivys
(Except for testing I made it guaranteed for testing to see if it actually added it)
upbeat gazelle
near as in next to, or just offscreen?
gusty epoch
Seems to have worked
calm pier
Seems to have worked
Wait since when
calm pier
Bruh
calm pier
What is this spawning items in hours?
fading nebula
What is this spawning items in hours?
?
calm pier
I manually added it
Manually added it???
lilac gale
Manually added it???
You just code it into the game
calm pier
How is that different from just spawning it in with cheat engine
Isn't it the same command
lilac gale
Cap doesn't give a shid about the item, it's just to see if it would actually drop
calm pier
Ah
calm pier
U need to fix something in the code?
lilac gale
mhm
lilac gale
it just doesn't have the drop in the pool from what I understand, or it's listed as drop=false maybe
calm pier
If it's that simple of a fix you'd expect a hotfix soon
lilac gale
Either way, he doesn't care about it and will probably just delete it lol
calm pier
But maybe they gunna roll out all the bugs at once
Including these golden dart salads with no fish name
lilac gale
Maybe, bug fix patches are pretty common for games like this
calm pier
I want my morpha fig
lilac gale
I do too
fading nebula
I want my morpha fig
same
calm pier
I'll be patient for now and just get more mushroom figurines
gusty epoch
I mean
I don't think it's outright cheating if I adjust the drop rate to be like Ivy trophy, do you?
I'll probably get it done and then they'll hot fix it anyways lmao
upbeat gazelle
The next hotfix shouldn't be too far away I would think. There's been a number of bugs since the update not accounted for in the first one
gusty epoch
I killed 6 times, dropped 4 times. I feel like that's a lot.
fading nebula
I killed 6 times, dropped 4 times. I feel like that's a lot.
XD
gusty epoch
ahh I see why
upbeat gazelle
I killed 6 times, dropped 4 times. I feel like that's a lot.
Btw is there a certain strategy/program you use for modding or is it all from-scratch file manipulation/programming? I've never done my own mods before
fading nebula
ahh I see why
we cant get 1fig can we?
gusty epoch
we cant get 1fig can we?
You can when I release the mod and it adds it to the loot table 🙂
fading nebula
You can when I release the mod and it adds it to the loot table 🙂
ok
sure
but doesnt it break if the game updates?
i am learning coding
julian also suports it
gusty epoch
I mean that's a good point
I should add a check to see if it's already in the table
Otherwise it'd basically double your chance when they fix it lol
fading nebula
Otherwise it'd basically double your chance when they fix it lol
XD
deft pulsar
I mean that's a good point
so do you know the reason why it is not droping right now?
long dagger
The next hotfix shouldn't be too far away I would think. There's been a number o...
i just reported 3 bugs within the last 24 hours, hopefully they get to those before the hotfix
upbeat gazelle
isn't the point of hotfixes to fix quickly-resolved bugs? Or have I misunderstood the definition of hotfixes?
or do you mean more recent bugs as opposed to older ones
long dagger
well... they were aware of the drops missing in the drop table yet they're not sending out a hotfix for a while
more recent bugs
upbeat gazelle
gotcha gotcha. Well they did the first one the day the update dropped. Maybe they're backlogged on em and are also waiting for a decent collection before pushing the next one
lilac gale
i just reported 3 bugs within the last 24 hours, hopefully they get to those bef...
I've reported a lot of bugs and only a couple managed to get fixed this last patch and hotfix set
long dagger
the game doesnt wanna let me work on my wire builds, circuit delays arent consistent, upon world loading some signals get through, and my game constantly crashes within 1-2 min whenever im near it
lilac gale
In your case I guess it depends on how severe the bug is, but personally I'd like to think that enemies that are ranged targetting and hitting the player through walls that have ore embedded in them is kinda something that should be fixed lmao
long dagger
hopefully they fix the major ones quickly
ik this is random but i managed to shoot a projectile through a 1 thick wall somehow and couldnt reproduce it
lilac gale
its because of the hitbox collision not melding together for walls that are placed together
it's pretty reproduceable
cobalt swan
ik this is random but i managed to shoot a projectile through a 1 thick wall som...
lag causes this
long dagger
o
upbeat gazelle
I get the feeling the wiring system in general is gonna get a massive overhaul when they introduce new wiring content. The wiring has been really lacking for the most part with only basic functions and a handful of automation options. Idk if it was for decoration or what, but the trailer showed wires powering sprinklers and yet they don't require power now.
long dagger
im glad they changed that since the range on it is short
upbeat gazelle
It seems like they have decent ambitions, but just haven't gotten around to them yet
long dagger
it would be nice to have much more tools, even if its just regular wires but for a corner only
would help compact some more
lilac gale
Took me all of 10 seconds to get it to be reproduced kek
It can be done at range too, just is much harder
long dagger
o nice
deft pulsar
It's not in the drop table, that's why
is there a way that you can make the trees harvestable? like making it drop from certain enemy?
lilac gale
This is the closest I have seen anything spawn to me. This is only 4 tiles away (5 if you include the tile that I am on as one)
@trim kestrel The numbers I mentioned for spawn distance appear to be wrong. Funnily enough as I was typing this another one spawned on that same 2x2 square
inland compass
yeah with the new ground covering i've had things spawn very close to me
maybe ground covering is exempt from distance calcs?
upbeat gazelle
Pretty sure I've had tentacles spawn within like 7 blocks too, so not just ground coverings
trim kestrel
What? Bot black-holed my last message for no reason...
upbeat gazelle
definitely watched them spawn on screen for sure
trim kestrel
<@135482054912507904> The numbers I mentioned for spawn distance appear to be wr...
Looks like 4x4 offset, so ~5.6 tiles diagonal distance.
Maybe as Craigin's said, a new coding oversight.
trim kestrel
What? Bot black-holed my last message for no reason...
Oh, I'd tried to say "clock-up" (without the "L")...
forest lodge
Rooster-up the whole thing
lilac gale
Looks like 4x4 offset, so ~5.6 tiles diagonal distance.
Maybe as Craigin's said...
Possibly yea. The one that spawned while I was typing the message spawned to the moss tile to the left of the one I sent
trim kestrel
im glad they changed that since the range on it is short
Full power wire range is now 20 tiles! With fade in power over the next 5.
But sure. Powered sprinklers would have been a little messy with most players pitting wire everywhere.
forest lodge
so can you put two power generators 45 tiles apart and have the wires work all the way?
trim kestrel
I get the feeling the wiring system in general is gonna get a massive overhaul w...
It's powerful now, just needs more input and output devices.
I'm worried that the player base will go "give us logic gate blocks!" because it's an obvious thing to call for. But unnecessary and boring, killing the game's unique characteristics. And devs will just give them, because the mob rules... 🫤
trim kestrel
so can you put two power generators 45 tiles apart and have the wires work all t...
Yes. Though 40 apart for full power level the whole length.
long dagger
I meant water range being short and having wires for many of the sprinklers would just remove more tiles for planting. Even using a generator for each one would look ugly
upbeat gazelle
It's powerful now, just needs more input and output devices.
I'm worried that t...
I agree with that. My point was mainly about the I/O blocks. I'm sure they'll make updates to some of the wiring too when they decide on what other types of automation they include. That's mostly what I mean by overhaul
long dagger
A cool tool I was thinking about that would be useful is like the lit tile but just for electricity. Make it power the block on top of it
upbeat gazelle
It's just there's not a lot to DO with the wiring atm
Plenty of circuitry setups to be experimented with though
trim kestrel
Wow! They really like spawning on that spot, huh?!
Is it new spawns and not bs mob teleportation? Something smells broken there...
And could it be that the 7 tiles distance check is an open path length measure rather than a straight radius?,
lilac gale
Yea, I have no idea why
It was fresh spawns
If you frame by frame it, they just appear in the default standing state before becoming active
It may be an open path like you said, that would explain them spawning so close to me
long dagger
I think spawns could be delayed by a few tics and it just happened to spawn after u moved up a tile after it confirmed its far enough
For the first clip^
It may have happened
trim kestrel
I agree with that. My point was mainly about the I/O blocks. I'm sure they'll ma...
Right. Sorry, was just using a reply to you as a jumping off point for a little rant. Not having a go. 😉
long dagger
Just a guess
lilac gale
I think spawns could be delayed by a few tics and it just happened to spawn afte...
possibly
trim kestrel
I think spawns could be delayed by a few tics and it just happened to spawn afte...
Not, like, 4 times in a row, was that? 2 before recording any?
upbeat gazelle
Right. Sorry, was just using a reply to you as a jumping off point for a little ...
All good man, nothing to apologize for lol
lilac gale
Not, like, 4 times in a row, was that? 2 before recording any?
I had quite a few spawn there yea
I only thought to record the two
long dagger
O u were asking him cause it's his recording
Mobs spawn close enough that u wouldn't have to make adjustments for mob farms imo
upbeat gazelle
the maximum distance would be good to know for clearing out areas surrounding mob farms though. If mob spawning works by selecting a number of mobs and then finding locations for them, that is
trim kestrel
i just reported 3 bugs within the last 24 hours, hopefully they get to those bef...
You been reporting electronics bugs?
trim kestrel
O I listed them below that
You said drops missing and shooting through walls. But complaining about delay circuits too...? Wondering if that's truely a bug or just idiosyncracies... You think electronics crashed your game?
long dagger
Drops missing? I mentioned the shooting through walls but never reported it since I couldn't reproduce it and didn't care much about it
As for electronics I think it did crash my game, it's very consistent
It'd crash within no more than 3 min when near my build and using it
I do have some electronics nearby running like the wood farm and storage sorter but they've been on long before and never caused my game to crash
Surprisingly it's not crashing rn, I have no idea y but I did do some tests when it was crashing so often. I afked 50 tiles from it for 10 min, it didn't crash and around that time whenever I used it it'd crash my game within 2 min usually
trim kestrel
Could be an accumulative effect (of more wiring stuff). I suspected a memory leak or bad data handling because logic gates can interfere with each other of long distances, disconnected.
long dagger
I did report that I'm not certain on the exact cause and I sent my world save along with the dx thing or whatever that includes a bunch of info of the device
trim kestrel
(Or could be unrelated to wiring.)
Oh right. Good job. I expect devs are crazy busy.
long dagger
the design is expandable
even with 1 item in the chest, it could just be picked and used by the last arm
trim kestrel
@ ZeroGravitas#8742
https://discord.com/channels/851842678340845600/91519828591...
Oh, looks like that didn't actually tag me.
So, talking of my door-stuck to bed teleporter trick: looks like you'd not seen/used the old version of this, then?
And the vast majority hadn't, which is part of why my posts made so little impression. Unexpected not understood.
If I take another shot at it, I'll have to really spell out how the bed can be anywhere on the map. And you don't die, lose inventory or durability.
trim kestrel
even with 1 item in the chest, it could just be picked and used by the last arm
Huh? Are you splitting item stacks or something weird?
long dagger
theyre all stacks of 999, its just when its processed slightly quickly then the number is invisible
long dagger
Oh, looks like that didn't actually tag me.
So, talking of my door-stuck to bed...
i didnt use any of the bed tricks and i didnt check whats happening besides teleporting
since i dont c a use for it personally
also i didnt ping on purpose to not bother u
but if ur fine with pings then let me know
long dagger
theyre all stacks of 999, its just when its processed slightly quickly then the ...
trim kestrel
I turn off phone in bed. 🤷 And replies are same as @ so whatever.
long dagger
k
also the design isnt perfect as well, it grabs a item about half the time at the end when its not supposed to but ig i could counter that if i make it empty the whole double chest on purpose
grabs an extra item and just holds it
gusty epoch
is there a way that you can make the trees harvestable? like making it drop from...
Nope sorry
trim kestrel
since i dont c a use for it personally
Is that what it is then? I have to sell the basic idea. Of not needing to run/rail for a minute or two across the map, to get back to a distant biome, after returning to drop things off at base...?
Point out how recall idols allow 2-way teleportation between distant base and core.
And even once you have proper teleporters, you can still use the bed tp for free. Saving charges!
long dagger
i didnt think of that since it didnt seem clear to me that it could be used for that
sounds cool and interesting tho
trim kestrel
Thanks. Right. Just everyone not getting it. No imagination. Even when I state its use in the title. Gotta see it I guess.
I'm expecting Serroh to pick this up, now I've gone public (and probably not credit me, in which case). Cos he was showing off the original trick. As game breaking. I guess more for the invulnerability.
long dagger
the bed was close to it (meaning it looked like a standard short tp) and it didnt include much context of its use so it's potential uses didnt cross my mind
or i actually didnt read the text, rip
i did just wake up when i looked at it and sent the replies to the pings i had
i skimmed a bunch
verbal creek
May be where u came in to load in the farm first, I think it may be the same wit...
Then that made it more impossible, since I came from the north, so it should have more drops on north part
long dagger
o thats what grav meant when he mentioned the drops, i was confused
if u came from up north then idk why the loot is down there
24 stacks perfectly split for 1 per arm
may as well share the design since it mainly only needs changes to the top left delay for more or less items
enjoy
prob not consistent since the circuit delay likes to not give the same output at times
it failed once just now, the row of arms skipped an item so the 1st one missed its pick up and at the end of the conveyor belt there was an item left
usually it results in the unloader grabbing an extra item halfway