Core Keeper University

[primal rapids]

I think noclip and invulnerability are properties you can just toggle in unity explorer 🤷‍♀️

DPS counter mod would probably be fairly easy to make, but... personally the modding is just a bit out of reach in its current state

if ZeroGravitas ever makes a thorough modding tutorial maybe then

[trim kestrel]

Pfffftt...! Lol! 😆😅 There's a reason I had to ask, there. I've never modded any game (that I've YouTubed)! I find the default experience, for the majority, is the only one I'm motivated to explore.

[gusty epoch]

Pretty much

[zinc seal]

Interesting.. I just reported a bug. When someone in my dedicated server attempts to interact with the cartography table, they get booted from the game. Specifically, looks like the game is getting badly formatted JSON.

[2022-06-13 04:21 pm] CoreKeeper: Uploading Crash Report
[2022-06-13 04:21 pm] CoreKeeper: ArgumentException: JSON parse error: Missing a comma or ']' after an array element.
[2022-06-13 04:21 pm] CoreKeeper:   at UnityEngine.JsonUtility.FromJsonOverwrite (System.String json, System.Object objectToOverwrite) [0x00000] in <00000000000000000000000000000000>:0
[2022-06-13 04:21 pm] CoreKeeper:   at ShareMapServerSystem.Receive (System.Byte[] mapData) [0x00000] in <00000000000000000000000000000000>:0
[2022-06-13 04:21 pm] CoreKeeper:   at System.Action`1[T].Invoke (T obj) [0x00000] in <00000000000000000000000000000000>:0
[2022-06-13 04:21 pm] CoreKeeper:   at NetworkingManager.HandleSideChannelMessage (System.Byte sideChannelByte, System.IntPtr packetPtr, System.Int32 packetLength) [0x00000] in <00000000000000000000000000000000>:0
[2022-06-13 04:21 pm] CoreKeeper:   at SteamNetworking.OnMessage (Steamworks.Data.Connection connection, Steamworks.Data.NetIdentity identity, System.IntPtr data, System.Int32 size, System.Int64 messageNum, System.Int64 recvTime, System.Int32 lane) [0x00000] in <00000000000000000000000000000000>:0
[2022-06-13 04:21 pm] CoreKeeper:   at Steamworks.SocketManager.OnMessage (Steamworks.Data.Connection connection, Steamworks.Data.NetIdentity identity, System.IntPtr data, System.Int32 size, System.Int64 messageNum, System.Int64 recvTime, System.Int32 channel) [0x00000] in <00000000000000000000000000000000>:0
[2022-06-13 04:21 pm] CoreKeeper:   at Steamworks.SocketManager.ReceiveMessage (System.IntPtr msgPtr) [0x00000] in <00000000000000000000000000000000>:0
[2022-06-13 04:21 pm] CoreKeeper:   at Steamworks.SocketManager.Receive (System.Int32 bufferSize, System.Boolean receiveToEnd) [0x00000] in <00000000000000000000000000000000>:0
[2022-06-13 04:21 pm] CoreKeeper:   at SteamNetworking.Update () [0x00000] in <00000000000000000000000000000000>:0
[2022-06-13 04:21 pm] CoreKeeper:   at NetworkingManager.NetworkUpdate () [0x00000] in <00000000000000000000000000000000>:0
[2022-06-13 04:21 pm] CoreKeeper:   at Unity.Entities.SystemBase.Update () [0x00000] in <00000000000000000000000000000000>:0
[2022-06-13 04:21 pm] CoreKeeper:   at Unity.Entities.ComponentSystemGroup.UpdateAllSystems () [0x00000] in <00000000000000000000000000000000>:0
[2022-06-13 04:21 pm] CoreKeeper:   at Unity.Entities.ComponentSystem.Update () [0x00000] in <00000000000000000000000000000000>:0
[2022-06-13 04:21 pm] CoreKeeper:   at LtUgAcHeLskwANVoxlidviSCjmwf+QSVeqOABVENUcKdItKWPtjJlSBL.Invoke () [0x00000] in <00000000000000000000000000000000>:0

(yes, i did repport it)

I did read somewhere that the game slows down a lot when that happens. My guess is that it's whatever JSON parser they are using.

Probably a slow parser or it's doing some inefficient loop after the fact.

[lilac gale]

@trim kestrel news for you

This is on the edge of the dirt biome

[ripe lily]

can you try stand at the same distance from the core as the node, open the map and see if it still registers as being in the dirt biome (could just be the dirt goes out a little further than intended)

[lilac gale]

Uhh, it's not clay at all from what I could tell

It's the end of the straight line up

its basically on the edge though

I can double check in a second

For a stupid reason I need to get a peasant chest piece so I am on the search atm

Ah, yea it's classified as the clay caves despite still being dirt

So I guess that's just an * at best

[trim kestrel]

Clay caves is clay caves. 🤷

[lilac gale]

By technically I suppose ye

It was dirt, in the dirt biome. Didn't think to really check the corner

Just crosses that line barely tbh

It's like 2 tiles above the threshold

[trim kestrel]

Thanks for thinking of me though. ❤️ 😜 I'm, gonna have a whole load of bigger notes/tweaks to make in my cooked food and boulder guide (if not others) come wednesday, though...

What mechanics, items and things are you all each gonna want to test first? 🙂

[broken herald]

Sprinklers 😂

[long dagger]

There could be important changes that affect current features and interactions (perhaps with wires)

[trim kestrel]

Yeah. I'll be wanting to recheck all of the electric devices and demos I've done, first thing. Then see what new interactive items I can craft, etc.

[ripe lily]

first thing im checking is can non-ore items still be placed in a furnace

[gusty epoch]

I’m just gonna hope they fixed some of the crap I’ve reported lol

[ripe lily]

yeah, first thing im doing is reading the patch notes

the bug fix list should hopefully be long

[trim kestrel]

Pffft... reading. 🙄 Heh. Good call.

[ripe lily]

but i dont know if i want the logic circuit/electricity stick pulse bug fixed

its so useful

[gusty epoch]

It might just be a fundamental necessity with how things work, but I hope most of it is fixed in new update

[trim kestrel]

The pulse bug is necessary for my builds, to counteract 1-tick self-feedback oscilation of gates. So if one goes, so must other. But that oscilation is useful... 🫤

[ripe lily]

you can still make a pulse the "proper" way, but its like 2-3 times larger

[trim kestrel]

I guess. As long as there's a tick delay in writing an output to wire. Or rather, reading...? Or... 🤔 I need to characterise that in my head explicity.

[river hamlet]

huh

[trim kestrel]

Sticks conduct electricity, right? So just regular self feed-back.

Btw, something gives me a feeling that you'll be glad you didn't get around to publishing your electronics guide yet, @ripe lily. 😐

[river hamlet]

But are they built for that...?

i was looking for a compact layout

[trim kestrel]

It's unhelpful, in my opinion. I'd wait to take a look at 0.4 electricity before thinking too hard about circuits.

[river hamlet]

0.4?

[trim kestrel]

Sunken Sea

[river hamlet]

ah

mhm

we will see

[long dagger]

I could give the auto smelter another shot if they fix the item stands

Unless if someone wants to beat me to it

[ripe lily]

Likely the first thing I test

[long dagger]

The stand with mechanical arm or the whole idea of the auto smelter that I talked about?

With the stand and arm in it

[ripe lily]

My much simpler and faster auto smelter design that is sitting ready in my base

[long dagger]

I doubt they'll change it if ur talking about arms putting different items in the furnace and smelters

Mechanical arms dropping gold and scarlet ore on the floor instead of in the furnace*

[trim kestrel]

Come release time, see the link to the (advanced) research notes I've posted in #👀-spoilers-chat. 😉

[long dagger]

hmm

[ripe lily]

yep, my smelter works

[long dagger]

i thought so when i saw that patch, at least its that instead of the stands making it bulky

[trim kestrel]

Ok, i'll post it, seeing as everyone's vusy having fun with the new content! 🙄😄🙂 #👀-spoilers-chat message

I forgot to mention wires no longer being placeable atop other circuit components. But sticks can be put atop wires still, which I've raised, along with sticks conducting of electricity being pointless.

.
I would appreciate a hand pinning down what's changed with the info in some of my guides. So I can add some quick notes at the top.

Especially NPC housing requirements: us flooring, lighting needed? What's max width and has max volume changed...? Any idiosyncracies spotted or bugs? And do you have to free the new NPC first? Where?

Cooking will take a lot more time to compile, so don't worry about that as much. Confirming precise ore production rate per drill number would be good (and that they all make the same amount, to check that).

[ripe lily]

one thing you didnt mention is that if you use a grabber arm on an npc it grabs their items

[trim kestrel]

Lol! I'd not tried that! Accidental or purposeful discovery?

So there's no point killing them, now. But we can rob them blind, for free! If it's not deliberate, and the devs notice, it'll be fixed by tomorrow. Given the number if changes they made overnight from seeing the ambasadors play (and minimal explicit feedback).

You got a new NPC house design ideal for that?

[primal rapids]

lol, mechanical pickpocket

[coarse shadow]

Is it still the same?

i can look at it but it still doesnt update for both of us.

At least it doesn't crash now.

[ripe lily]

still wish we got a way to destroy items

[coarse shadow]

trash?

or salvage

[ripe lily]

takes WAY too long, im talking about millions of scrap and hundreds of non-stackables

[coarse shadow]

I see 🙂

[ripe lily]

i want to automate it

[trim kestrel]

No new automation devices found in sea biome (yet), then?

[coarse shadow]

I just have to say, the new music is so lovely. ❤️

[trim kestrel]

#📋-feedback-suggestions 😉 (No devs listening to praise in here.)

[coarse shadow]

just sayin

[river hamlet]

Uhm so new 8-Drill meta abd even faster woodfarm?

Also anything changed with convoyer bekts?

[primal rapids]

conveyors are supposedly infinite distance now

[river hamlet]

Mob-spawns?

[trim kestrel]

I'm not sure if @primal rapids woodfarm is faster. Seems similar (taken a comparison measurement yet?). Notes say faster growth times, but one growth at a time. So give and take.

They may have deliberately balanced for that design (they pay attention). But they've made the basic designs much better, for sure.

[river hamlet]

The 1 tile growth is a buff tho

With his layout are 2 tiles useless?

[primal rapids]

is the ingrowth issue fixed?

[trim kestrel]

Maybe....?

[primal rapids]

and did you say the roots grow longer?

[trim kestrel]

They did yesterday (will show screenshot I sent them, in a bit), but patch notes seem to indicate this has been reverted.

[primal rapids]

well, roots grow on sand for sure at least

[trim kestrel]

They went longer than this. 19 tiles orthogonal.

[river hamlet]

Just to know that… u can pull items out of npc‘s…?

[trim kestrel]

Yeah, bad for my decorative 2-way root farm design. Especially seeing as root won't grow on the wilderness grass I used for it. 😅

I have a bunch of decorative root+grass railings which are literally irriplacable now.

[river hamlet]

With a claw 😳

[trim kestrel]

Yeah. Infinity said. I think I'll check the devs intend this, before bothering posting it anywhere... So get pilfering while the getting's good, just in case. 😜

[river hamlet]

Merchants no longer drop all their inventory on death.

Sadge

[trim kestrel]

Which is wild... I didn't think this will be possible with electronics.

I wonder if the changes to fall-off power might have helped with this. Because my frame rate in my base actually improved with the update. Despite all my labs being loaded in simultaneously! Like, they just pushed some magic optimisation button.

I'm not sure if boulder drilling still plays catchup, though. I mean, all the ores still comes out of a single drill when I return.

[river hamlet]

The Big Larvas from the Hive Mother eggs can now destroy hive walls when chasing the player.

No chasing anymore

[river hamlet]

Increased the range of electricity from generators.

[primal rapids]

my Long Root™️ doesn't seem to grow at all 🤨 like even right next to the root plant

oh, now it did when I started complaining

took a while

[trim kestrel]

Combined with spikes/torches not blocking acid, I don't know that I could have beaten her during normal progression. Is there any hive mother cheese left now? Except dig full moat and use ranged to chip down?

[primal rapids]

I take it carpets and rails don't block anymore either?

[trim kestrel]

Not tested, let us know.

[primal rapids]

carpet seems to block manual acid at least

[river hamlet]

Mold walls tho

[primal rapids]

I mean I threw acid and carpet on a tile and it blocks still

but maybe hive mother removes carpets

[trim kestrel]

Interesting that it does. Thought maybe their range fix might have broke your long route. Cool.

[primal rapids]

I'm pretty sure some sort of carpet/rail cheese still works

[trim kestrel]

normal progression 😜 Also, they can break mold if they chose to.

[primal rapids]

but it only grew the root next to the plant, the root loop doesn't seem to work anymore

[coarse shadow]

hmm ill try to replant one and see

[primal rapids]

I wonder if it's strict 6 block radius now, and it doesn't even check outside of that

[coarse shadow]

restarting the server helped us.

[trim kestrel]

Are you tempted to continue your pacifist run, straight into the new bosses? Or even restart anew..? 😄

[ripe lily]

i got like 5 stacks of coral wood in an hour from mz's farm design (only 4 columns)

[trim kestrel]

How does that wood grow? (Like, which grounds or biomes.)

(I can feel the questions coming on my guide....)

[coarse shadow]

Did u see our new pet? he can swing at me but is stuck there. hehe

Sings, "walkin on water..."

[primal rapids]

I'll restart if no-spike ghorm becomes possible

would be interesting challenge to try to re-do hive mother in the new version

well, that's interesting 🤔

[trim kestrel]

I've not seen that with mobs before. NPCs randomly step around when out in space. But mobs I guessed just teleport.

I wonder if this is new stuck detection dor them, as well as player... Or if just a dedicated server thing...?

[coarse shadow]

idk but we reset it .. maybe the next hotfix 😄

[primal rapids]

Hotfix Patch - 0.4.1

• Fixed Merchant inventory being able to be picked up by Robot Arms.

[coarse shadow]

ya, saw that lol gotta add the wood (root seed) issue.

[ripe lily]

lol they fixed that, but not the game breaking bugs

[trim kestrel]

So they'll grow adjacent to other root stump's wood? For first tile? Another case of devs fitting game behaviour to player's initial expectations... Hmm. 😐

[trim kestrel]

Lol!

I said they'd be fast. Didn't expect that fast!

(Wasn't me btw. Didn't get around to saying anything yet.)

[primal rapids]

probably not next to wood, but next to plants for sure

[ripe lily]

but they didnt fix the polished scarlet necklace, or the awaken azeos bugs

f

[full pawn]

wahoo

[trim kestrel]

Some things just easier to fix... 🤷 Geez, update's like, 7 hours old! 😅

[primal rapids]

uhhh, root plants can now grow roots through other plants

you know what that means 😄

the most efficient farms are now a huge pile of root plants

(if they don't break)

(and unless the mechanics have changed in other ways)

[trim kestrel]

Well that's boring but ridiculous, lol. Unless the per-tile growth rate is capped, or something, that will be ridiculously compact and simple to setup. 😶

Looks silly growing through stumps that haven't finished growing yet, though. So maybe not fully desired behaviour...

[primal rapids]

growth distance seems same as before, as you said

[trim kestrel]

A load of my penned up cavelings spontaneously escaped just now, after being contained for 100 hours or so, there, previously.

So thinking this might apply to mobs in general. Maybe harder to make safe mob farms, with the added cavling spawning mosses...? (And significantly increased drop rate for shards, etc.)

[trim kestrel]

Yeah. My root range demonstrator is behaving itself again. Staying within bounds.

Note that (plain wood) planks are currently 5 times more valuable per wood than anything else, at 1 coin each.

Yesterday, it was 5 wood to make one plank (sold for same price as now), but this confused people (like me 😳 😅 ) wondering why the saws weren't taking the last of the input wood. So they dropped wood use to 1 and increased the planks needed in recipes, but looks like didn't get the plank cost.

[trim kestrel]

My two pet farmers vanished, too. Anyone else loosing mobs?

[primal rapids]

so far I feel like the tree farms got nerfed hard

but it's just a hunch

[trim kestrel]

I kept a rough eye out on your's yesterday. It seemed to make a couple thousand over a few hours... What was the rate before...? If only someone wrote that down in a guide somewhere... 🤔

"~590 wood per hour" Yeah, it felt like about that much, no?

[primal rapids]

this still hasn't grown further, has been fully grown for almost an hour

shouldn't it grow at least one root

[gusty epoch]

oh haha I actually like slippery movement

[trim kestrel]

Still nothing there, eh?
Wonder if it relates to the quick fix to range. Maybe applying where it shouldn't, between roots...?

[gusty epoch]

Good to know you can't use coral wood for making wooden chests 😐

[trim kestrel]

I'm still ignorant as to where and when coral grows... 😢

[river hamlet]

its working 👍

[trim kestrel]

Mushroom farm? How often does each patch grow?

[river hamlet]

mush farm yep

100% power dont work

idk rates

[trim kestrel]

And why's the wiring that complex?

[river hamlet]

its just a soild base-setup for yall

[trim kestrel]

Oh. Active drills block the tile....?

[river hamlet]

nope, they would otherwise farm the ground haha

and u dont want that to habben rigth?

[primal rapids]

this doesn't seem to grow either, so it looks like they programmed it like it probably should have been from the beginning: it doesn't check the root further than the growth radius

RIP long root

but on the other hand, it seems like roots can grow impossibly far through not-fully-grown plants

[trim kestrel]

Oh. Drills are pretty random with what they'll hit... Do they even hit slime and chrysalis ground cover?

Weird that that wiring still lets them harvest plants. Didn't realise there was two levels of sensitivity.

[river hamlet]

idk i just tested a bit with it and it worked

[trim kestrel]

Does the ground have to be hoed for mushrooms to grow, as well?

[river hamlet]

and look.. u can harvest the ground with the hand, as the chtysalis

but u cant mine slime with hand

i think that is, waht matter

[river hamlet]

i think both works

but u cant water them

[trim kestrel]

I'm still waiting...

Are you in a new world?

[river hamlet]

i grabben it form a new world and planted it in my main

i think it is random how fast they grow

[trim kestrel]

Right. It should work in old world, once you have it.

[river hamlet]

1 did almost instant grow

[trim kestrel]

But then nothing for ages?

[river hamlet]

ye

[trim kestrel]

How many now, total? (Do they need dark, maybe?)

[river hamlet]

im exploring lmao

[obtuse star]

"Please note that Fungal Growth will be available as a drop from Slime Blobs in all worlds, however it will only spawn in the Dirt Biome and it will only allow Mushroom Enemies to appear in worlds generated after the Sunken Sea Update."

[gusty epoch]

I never noticed before, but if you put an item in your trash slot it stays after you die, so 1 more slot that's kept on death than health hot bar lol

dang I need to make a new world lol

[iron scarab]

Seems like spike traps ca no longer kill infected. Been sitting here for like 30 mins and either they don't die or there are MANY of them in there

[trim kestrel]

That's always been a common issue with large mold farms. Do you have poison (slime) under the traps, to stop them regenerating as fast? (Still slow to kill.)

[iron scarab]

No just mold floor with traps. Before this update it always killed them. Now they don't die at all.

Only the tentacles die

[trim kestrel]

If you say so boss. Just traps never really worked for me, though. 😜

[iron scarab]

Really? I've never once had an issue.

Took a few seconds for them to die but they died at least

[trim kestrel]

A dev has said that wording is incorrect and you should be able to spawn mushrooms and mushroom enemies in old worlds, if you have a whole bunch of the new spawn surface tiles. e.g. think slime farms.

[iron scarab]

The reason for traps everywhere is the belts won't move tentacles.

[trim kestrel]

One can clear them manually, in some designs, or leave them, mostly. Or combine with a poison slime farm to have them maraud through and stop the mold mobs from accumulating.

[iron scarab]

Interesting. I had all 4 farms the same way just 3 of the 4 using belts to move them onto spikes.

They seemed to work quite well.

[gusty epoch]

Ye but you can’t get those without a new world, I think?

The spawn tiles for mushroom dudes, I mean

[trim kestrel]

I got them as a rare drop from orange slimes.

[gusty epoch]

Ooo ok

I guess it’s time to get that goin again

[iron scarab]

Sorry I meant the 4 being orange slime, purple slime, mold mobs and hive mobs. All those farms worked without issue before update

[trim kestrel]

I don't know. I think it was always just borderline, whether or not the moldlings would die. Slow and inefficient kills, so might be affected by various factors. Like, if they get stuck in place, they don't get hit by as many spike traps as when moving, so can back-up more.

Oh, ok.

Even more choatic behaviour, then.

[iron scarab]

Will have to try building it again in new world and see how she goes.

This is why I got sick of Minecraft. Each update you had to rebuild everything lol (well not always)

[trim kestrel]

Got any screenshots to compare the amount of damage spike traps did before and do now? There may have been a stealth buff to mob regen, HP, or incidental nerf to some damage bonus that shouldn't have applied or something. Never know.

[river hamlet]

comeeeon little drill u can harvest the shroom

[iron scarab]

I thought that they might have a boosted HP but these did not die at all.

[trim kestrel]

So they growing OK on the right side?

[trim kestrel]

This is what I expected; if you make the drills not hit one object, they shouldn't hit another... 🤷

[river hamlet]

other problem is, that they dont get harvested

it worked for me

[gusty epoch]

New mining training strat: Minecart in a circle with walls you punch? lol

[river hamlet]

thats why i wonder why it dosent work anymore

[trim kestrel]

Does that work? Tools can't be used on carts, right?

[gusty epoch]

can now

[trim kestrel]

tools, weapons can. Maybe I didn't try right.

Oh, maybe it's just hoes. Sorry, i over-generalised.

Oh, I got a new fwrend!

[lilac gale]

Was about to say that's a nice looking mushroom design lol

[river hamlet]

lmao u can do a mobfarm with them and farm the shrooms with those

[lilac gale]

Then I realized

[river hamlet]

@trim kestrel ok i found out

this works

it will sure also work, if i would put the generator next to the drills, was just testing around with it

but yall can try out yourself

[river hamlet]

1h lol

the new wizzards can hit crabs

[trim kestrel]

I grew more than that, and a cute little truffle shuffle dude, with my smaller farm off screen for a minute... 🤔

[long dagger]

So what's with the wood growth besides it not growing on grass ground anymore

I don't understand the change they noted in the patch 😕

[long dagger]

My wood farm isn't producing properly in some spots, the veins in some areas don't grow to full length

[river hamlet]

Would be interesting, if the drill-setup from me can kill them- otherwise the tiles, wehere they spawn would get stuck

[deft pulsar]

how can this guy spawn in my base? at the core

[trim kestrel]

Interesting... Did you have any other (caveling) mobs nearby, before that?

I had 2 farmers straight up vanish from their enclosure at my core. And half of a dozen cavelings teleported out of a flay caves cell they'd been in for 100 hours. Something different with mobs...

[deft pulsar]

yeh, i think they were my farmer. and somehow convertd to sni[er

[trim kestrel]

You got a screenshot please, to see configuration? @primal rapids did testing, I'm not sure what's foing on and what should be.

[trim kestrel]

Weird. 😵‍💫

[deft pulsar]

I had 8 farmers in their own enclosure, fence and water channel around them. Plenty of spaces but somehow still break though. When I cme back from the ocean, only4 farmers left and I found 2 snipers in my garden. maybe still 2 lose one. and also happen withmy2 other Miner caveling, they also escaped my double fence+water. but didnt turn to anything else.

[trim kestrel]

Do we think our previous world gen informed map search strategy applies to Sunken Sea area?

I.e. 64x64 grid based exploration, avoiding large surface area to sides where unique things may spawn?

Map screenshot example: #👀-spoilers-chat message

[deft pulsar]

and now they just jump randomly, or spawn from normal stone ground in dirt bio?

MY zoo is going crazy TT_TT

there were only 2 caveling and now 5 😄 do they breed secretly

[trim kestrel]

I've found one or two cavelings to spawn more friends on several occassions, previously.

But cavelings vanishing or teleporting out is new game behaviour, that I'm trying to find out if it's intended. I'd guess it was accidental.

[deft pulsar]

they were there for like 3 months without any problem. until now

[trim kestrel]

OK, @ripe lily posted me a @inland compass map tool shot of their exploration. #👀-spoilers-chat message

Definitely scenes and dungeons don't look to be grid aligned. But I think that may just be bigger randomisation offsets and sparser spawning.

Unique locations mean spiral search should be best, aside for bosses on a fixed distance arc, pressumably.

(I've not even entered the biome myself yet.)

[fading nebula]

hi

[inland compass]

too bad no-graphics still spawns scenes, or you could cheese it to get a better search pattern (dig straight out, turn off graphics, check to one side, turn graphics back on and go the other direction)

[trim kestrel]

Would that be better than spiralling out?

[inland compass]

just easier to manage

in theory, if important scenes have a radius weight to them, then exploring in arcs would be the best search pattern, it is just very hard to keep on an arc properly.

[primal rapids]

I tried setting up further investigation for this, and a line of not-yet-fully-grown plants also grew a root, so it might not be that they can grow through root plants

but yeah, this definitely seems like a nerf to tree farms, not that it really matters

[ripe lily]

im really getting more than before from my tree farm

each plant in the system is more consistently growing a new branch for the drills to mine.

[primal rapids]

maybe the growth rate compensates then

for the "battery" design, the nerf looks like this

on the other hand, I might get to design a new farm 😄

[ripe lily]

yeah they seem to have optimised it for the battery layout over the single drill layout, but there is probably better ways to do it.

i want most output per floor space used, in all my farms.

[zinc seal]

Random note. You guys noticed that the dedicated server logs are way more verbose now?

[gusty epoch]

Yea, I still wanna test and see if it logs all the things I hope it does

It logs when I manually update my conditions, which is nice for figuring out people doing silly things

[#################] add or refresh condition AttackSpeed 2147483647 duration -3.402823E+38 for Player: amount=1, variation=0
[#################] add or refresh condition MiningSpeedIncrease 999999999 duration -3.402823E+38 for Player: amount=1, variation=0
[#################] add or refresh condition RangeAttackSpeedIncrease 2147483647 duration -3.402823E+38 for Player: amount=1, variation=0
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[#################] add or refresh condition HealthAdditionPercentage 999999999 duration -3.402823E+38 for Player: amount=1, variation=0
[#################] add or refresh condition ImmuneToSlimeSlow 2147483647 duration -3.402823E+38 for Player: amount=1, variation=0
[#################] add or refresh condition ImmuneToPoison 2147483647 duration -3.402823E+38 for Player: amount=1, variation=0
[#################] add or refresh condition ImmuneToMold 2147483647 duration -3.402823E+38 for Player: amount=1, variation=0```

[primal rapids]

one of the key principles of the farm design was preventing plant breakage from "the bug" so now that (I'm pretty sure) the bug is gone, there might be better designs... but limiting the root checks to the growth radius also removes some viable farm designs

[zinc seal]

@gusty epoch yeah I wrote a quick parser for it. (It also auto-restarts if the server crashes)

[gusty epoch]

Wanna help me test if it logs all the things? 😛

[zinc seal]

I can't say no to crazy side projects. What do you need? LOL

[lilac gale]

Only your sanity

[primal rapids]

actually quite the opposite, it seems that a huge pile of plants seems to make sure not even the one close to the drill will grow any root

[trim kestrel]

So an isolated, partially mature stump grows root wood...?😕 Pretty sure they won't be doing that intentionally, given it looks dumb.

[primal rapids]

haven't tried an isolated one yet, but possibly yes

[trim kestrel]

There's this problem, too. Seems like some roots just won't grow at all. Or won't grow 5 tiles long....

[primal rapids]

yup...

anyway, if we don't consider the new issues (growth stuck randomly?) here are a couple candidates

the top one has 2 more root plants per drill, bottom is more compact

[trim kestrel]

You could stagger the bottom one to save one tile of height, no? Neither very elegant elegant compared to the old design... 😢

[primal rapids]

maaaaybe, if they now grow next to root plants

well, to keep some symmetry, I would probably stagger it like this, so it wouldn't matter either way

that would save some conveyors and maybe make them easier to access and so on

but since I don't fully understand the new mechanics, this probably needs tests with old/new designs as comparison

[primal rapids]

it does look like, even isolated, all stages except the seed can grow roots

[trim kestrel]

I'll make a bug report for these. Unless you wanna...?

[primal rapids]

sure, you can

[trim kestrel]

Woot...

[primal rapids]

this is my other test, the two on the right grow roots, but the leftmost one only grew one root and then none, the one with 3x3 grew two roots and then none

[trim kestrel]

I don't know if it's worth getting too involved with these, given that roots now sometimes just don't grow... You could get pure noise results...?

[primal rapids]

yeah

[trim kestrel]

BTW, I've rechecked the basics and updated my merchant NPC room guide: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2793169894

Seems like nothing's change, at the minimalist end. But I don't think I could get them to move into the long room I had for a farming test. So let me know if I'm wrong, and maybe what the length limit is.

[long dagger]

I tried a similar layout of the left, placing a ground tile that it can grow on, it'll have 1 grow and stop. But configuring the ground a bit could give some more wood but it's extremely slow

I'll get on later and show my wood farm and explain what was happening

[primal rapids]

that's what I was afraid of 😬

[trim kestrel]

And I did a very quick test with a 250 tile long conveyor and mining automation.

It appeared to all stay loaded and operational the whole time, even when I was over 100 tiles from the end of the line. Single ore chunks were distributed evenly along it's length.

So, basically, Core Keeper is now Factorio...! 😮

[gusty epoch]

Love it

[long dagger]

these were producing when i played yesterday, they mightve stopped from just opening the world

i moved the top part up a tile since it wasnt growing at all besides at the 2 ends

like this, blue being the seeds, and the green growing out 5 tiles

most stopped at 2 tiles for some reason when i had it like this

[long dagger]

producing now after being on for a few min

very minimal output, was testing with some ground tiles

wasnt growing at the middle drill when this ground tile and wood wasnt there

[trim kestrel]

Yeah, I think that could be one thing that causes some root stumps to get stuck. Don't know if reloading the world can get them unstuck. Replanting certainly works, though.

[trim kestrel]

Does coral wood need to be watered, then? (Edit: I mean, after initial seed maturation.)

.
I did a rough calculation of per stump (regular) root growth rates. Comes out about 3 minutes 50 seconds per growth. So a slight nerf if previously we got an average of 2 growths per 5 minutes(?).

Maybe marginally more randomisation in timings (e.g. between 20 and 17 over the ~hour).

[long dagger]

needs to be watered twice sadly

[primal rapids]

this might be a new viable unit

couple of ideas for staggering

[trim kestrel]

Twice per seed, ever? Then free growth like roots?

[primal rapids]

tree farms are a lot more readable with non-fully-grown plants 😄

[primal rapids]

okay the two in the middle don't work

[primal rapids]

this stopped growing, then grew aggressively for a bit after I watered all the plants, but then it got stuck again pretty soon

[long dagger]

ye, 2nd watering is right before the last growth stage then after that its like a normal tree root

[long dagger]

i still dont get why thatd work and some other designs dont, i dont get the change. (not doubting if urs works or not but just confused)

[primal rapids]

regarding the new getting stuck issue? yeah I'm not trying to solve that, I'm just trying to re-optimize after the change that roots aren't checked outside the radius

I don't know how the stuck issue works either, so I'm just designing in the hope that it'll get resolved

[primal rapids]

and also now that we only get one growth per "growth tick"

[long dagger]

meaning even if a large tree farm works it wont be as fast?

[primal rapids]

it probably is still quite fast, because they decreased the time between growth ticks

I just feel like optimizing 😄

basically

and also you no longer get more than 1 root per growth tick, before the change you could get 2-4

[trim kestrel]

That's the big speed nerf. But why not stick with a columnar layout like that, that just doesn't have a shared backbone?

nnnnnn like that.

[primal rapids]

you can pack more plants per drill with other designs

the new unit I suggested has I think 25 roots as opposed to 8 in the "battery" design

but this is all just theory, I'm not that sure about any of this anymore

[primal rapids]

this could be wrong, probably should be tested

[trim kestrel]

You could have 10 with no backbone..? No? But ok, verses 25, that is a worthwhile trade-off, when one first gets drills and they're expensive.

[primal rapids]

I think 9 with no backbone

[trim kestrel]

Ok

[primal rapids]

i.e. replace the backbone with one plant

oh, wait

no, nevermind

[trim kestrel]

Or, 11, if turning the drill the other way and they'll add wood next to another stump now ..?

[primal rapids]

you could also move the root-to-be-drilled up one tile, but then you get the same issues as with the new unit

yeah

if you have to rotate the drill I'd probably go with the 25-plant-units

I'll just leave this here and go to sleep

😆

I'll say one more thing: I like it that the columnar design isn't the only viable design anymore. We might see some variety in tree farms 😍

[forest lodge]

I swear to FSM....

Does anyone here have information on how long it takes to deplete an ore node with 8 drills now

If the answer is 'no, we don't' that is fine, just don't insult me for wanting to know, please.

[long dagger]

takes hours for sure

[lilac gale]

Who's insulting you I'll kill a man.

I would assume the time is just doubled what the 8 drill set up used to be.

[long dagger]

A bit more than doubled

[long dagger]

running some small tests and for some reason only the left column needed to be watered a 2nd time

[river hamlet]

farm testing makeing problem

[long dagger]

23 min

[inland compass]

Any idea if killing them resets their inventory?

[trim kestrel]

You tell me, boss. Die and buy, heh.

[trim kestrel]

Oh, had you not noticed, preciously? If you water the ground first, root seeds won't grow fully before the ground dries out.

[long dagger]

i didnt pay attention to that

nice to know tho

so is the wood growth limited now? as in it wont grow 2 tiles below if it arcs out further than its grow range then comes back within range?

[trim kestrel]

Will this setup still frow and harvest if you move the drills up one tile? Just as a test dor one of the thing Mz and I were discussing earlier. 🙂

[trim kestrel]

Shroomy boi atak you dril?

[long dagger]

so this works still? the tiles being the already grown wood and the current seed would be the root still growing wood at the bulb

[long dagger]

sec

exactly like this with the side roots?

[trim kestrel]

No. As you said, Mz says that don't work no more.

[long dagger]

k

picked the wood from both sides, ill show the results in a bit

top part still producing wood slowly but none from the bottom

o wait

weird

it works, didnt expect it to

prob takes a min to grow once again when something happens with it

im not sure if itd be useful tho, still gotta find other designs

[trim kestrel]

Ah, cool. Thanks!

That may mean that you can extend the columns up by 1, for 11 stumps as I said.

That's if the bottom two stumps are actually growing out adjacent to the existing wood root. I've not investigated the new adjacent growing behaviour myself.

[long dagger]

i tried connecting it like this but it didnt work, replanted the top root too

[long dagger]

would this be the current max root size?

per unit for 1 drill

[trim kestrel]

If Mz thinks so, that's probably the case. I have my doubts, but they're probably based on wrong thinking... Heh.

[trim kestrel]

Right. So separate root wood won't grow into each other, still, but they will grow adjacent to stumps...

So the moving up the drills thing was not use, as it will just stop the bottom two stumps from growing... But it might be useful to know the change. Will go in my guide anyway. Assuming it doesn't change further when the devs fix the other issues with roots.

[long dagger]

since the side roots work then wouldnt this be a nice column wood farm? just an issue of the drill positioning now since its facing up, have to waste another row for belts

[trim kestrel]

Only if those bottom two root stumps you've planted can actually grow, there (I don't think so). To test, you'd have to leave the wood in place and remove all the other stumps, to make sure they're not contributing. Or just set up a similar thing elsewhere.

[long dagger]

gonna try this design for the lil test too

[trim kestrel]

That'll work. But not if you move the top root up one, then remove the stump after it's made one wood in it's current position. (Is my prediction.)

[long dagger]

like this? if the wood from the top root grows first?

[trim kestrel]

Sure.

When it does.

[long dagger]

i planted the top one first and made sure to wait a bit before planting the others

[trim kestrel]

Now, to wait furiously....

[long dagger]

forgot i made this one

it made 5+ wood

want me to remove the top root?

[trim kestrel]

Sure. that will remove the ambiguity.

Of course, we now have to contend with the possibility that one's test root just decides not to grow, for no good reason.

[long dagger]

ill power it once both r fully grown

[trim kestrel]

Can start now. 🤷

[long dagger]

ill wait in case it somehow has some unknown effect on it

should be fully grown any sec now

⌚

[trim kestrel]

😶

The men who stare at goats roots.

[long dagger]

😶‍🌫️

still nothing rn

o wait

its grown

[trim kestrel]

🤔 OK... Interesting.

I wonder if that's because the wood piece is loose and unconnected... Heh. Sorry.

[long dagger]

i think wood can still grow if its only connecting to roots but not other wood

it produced 3 more wood

[trim kestrel]

So, that setup should fire on all cylinders then...? I mean, you could test one next to another without the bottom two stumps, for like an hour, to check the longer design does produce more.... But whatever. 🙂

[long dagger]

(green =root, white = wood) this should work

[long dagger]

i could give it a shot in a bit

this shouldnt work

since itd be wood connecting to wood

[trim kestrel]

Hmm... maybe the game knows how far a piece of wood is from the stump that grew it, if that really won't work... 🤔 Game's being so weird right now...

[long dagger]

i can use this once for the test again, i could just remove the side roots on one half and post the result here after some time

furthest root is still within range, was messing around with this one and wanted to c if wood growth would ignore roots and treat it as wood

but it doesnt, rates from that r slow

[trim kestrel]

Right. Won't grow through a stump.

[long dagger]

this should be a decent test for rates if side roots help rates

[trim kestrel]

Yeah.

[long dagger]

ill pick the drops once the side roots have grown then ill time it

[trim kestrel]

Although, you have growth from each middle stump going down either side of it, potentially. So the randomisation effect will be higher.

[long dagger]

o true...

ill just make a new set then

[trim kestrel]

You can, i think, simply remove every other row of wood vine and every other drill, and get the same rate of production.

Save a tile of width, too.

Well, higher rate of production per drill.

One stump less per column removed.

[long dagger]

lil too late

went ahead and made this

5 for each

only fit 4 of both in the pic

already ran into an issue, gotta redo the roots so the wood grows in order

[trim kestrel]

Or break the wood...

?

Oh.

[long dagger]

just gotta wait

would be nice to have some type of fertilizer to boost growth stage

[trim kestrel]

Or just have watering decrease time for root stumps to add growth. Which would add in another factor into designing builds; getting the sprinklers into position.

[long dagger]

would be easy with the tile version i have built

wood is set, roots r still growing tho

lol, forgot to cover the other one for where the old roots were

gonna afk now, made sure each row grew twice before starting

[long dagger]

25 min

left one

and right one

weird how the small one next to me got the most at 35

ill afk a bit more, havent picked up the drops yet

heres the other one

40 min

closing my game now

[long dagger]

idk if i collected from this one at the same time but if not then its from about 14 min prior to starting the one above thats shown in the 2 separate pics

[trim kestrel]

Cool. Heh. Given the factor fo 3 variation in builds of the same design, I think the main conclusion is that roots are really broken right now... 😅

[long dagger]

we'll have to run tests again after another fix to them 😪

[trim kestrel]

I guess so.

I mean, adding up the numbers, I think the two designs would be very roughly comparable. But the missing difference could be accounted for with just one of the units randomly getting borked...🤷

[long dagger]

i forgot to mention there was like 4 wet tiles from the design, dunno if its only visual or if it affected anything

u could c if when looking at the map

[ripe lily]

omg, i was just reading the patch notes. dodging no longer reduces durability, wtf dodge builds are just op then.

also thorn wood is now unobtainable and very valuable

[long dagger]

isnt there a hard cap on max dodge rate? idk where i heard it from

[ripe lily]

yeah 90%

• Merchants will follow the player when the player holds the item they like such as Slime Oil and Mysterious Idol.

huh cool

[trim kestrel]

Geez, Infinity! Too busy actually playing the new content to read the patch notes properly! I got that in my guide already! 😅

It's gonna be very, very handy dor manoeuvring them about to hit thunder beams in the right place, come to think of it.

[ripe lily]

yeah

i gotta test if there is a max number of portals you can have in a world

because there is a max number of icons on the map, so do portals count towards that?

and if so what happens when you have more portals down than that limit

[long dagger]

i had the same idea but didnt wanna waste mats on it

[long dagger]

arms cant put items in stands anymore

not even a stack of 1 item

[primal rapids]

If the question is, does this have the max amount of plants contributing to a single drill, then I'd say yes, I think it's at least close to the max, unless you want to start going into a circle shape

[long dagger]

the circle shape one from last patch ended up breaking roots somehow with wood growing into it

[primal rapids]

In the current patch?

[long dagger]

last patch

pre sea

im sticking with this design

[primal rapids]

Yeah most designs had breakage issues, that's why the columnar one was so superior

[long dagger]

i wanted it done without the lil gap down the center row but it broke after the sea update

something interesting to work on is an auto saw cutting build with multiple saws

since it conducts electricity

and takes in planks

takes in all items

[primal rapids]

Maybe now that they fixed the pickpocketing arms, they could allow the arms to sell items and then pick up the coins from the merchant 😄

Wood to plank to coin automation

[long dagger]

would be nice

since they restock slowly and dont sell much of some items

muskets for all

[primal rapids]

Also, I'm happy to be proven wrong on any of the root mechanics/farm designs 😄

[forest lodge]

Nope, 8 drill setup was something like 2 to 3 hours, this was somewhere between 12 and 14 (was away for 2 hours, it had about 200 ore left to get when I left for dinner)

[lilac gale]

It was roughly 4 hours before iirc (3.6 hours it appears to have been), so it's a bit over that but close enough tbh

[long dagger]

@ ZerGravitas mentioned that drills would be stored up and only update when in range so if u afk for 5 hours away from the ore deposit then leave the game, it wouldnt update and the drills would reset

if u didnt go back within range

[river hamlet]

Yes and no, if i stay always about 10 Tiles away, the drill just hug with him and dose every 3-5s a 11-15 dmg hit. I think even if a mush would grow, the drill cant harvest it. But when i move closer, then the guy attacks my Drill.

My idea would be try a design of 2-3-4 Drills and see, if 1 Layout can do the kill

[long dagger]

tried making an auto multi saw cutter with an unloader and didnt get far, heres one way to make it work. have the wood stored in a chest and take it out with m arms onto a belt then after a short delay have it power off the unloader m arm and power on the m arms that fill the saws up while making sure they only pick up a single stack. i suck with the timing and delays for the wiring but it should be doable, one of my current designs got a bit close but the result was something like: the first m arm picked up two stacks, 3rd and 7th didnt pick one up. u could skip a tile with the arm and saw if it fails to pickup on that column

tedious since saws require power, it transmit it, and takes in any item into its slot

quick pulsing it makes it kinda messy and i didnt wanna mess around with it incase its not intended (pulsing m arms makes it work much faster)

hope they just fix it like furnaces so it doesnt intake other items

[ripe lily]

yeah

[trim kestrel]

I was going to ask to make sure this wasn't already possible. Given that the merchants had started interacting with the arms. But it seemed unlikely.

[trim kestrel]

I've not quite finished remessuring boulder mining rates to pin down all numbers of drills dor my guide, yet.

But 8 drills now produces 116 ore per hour, anywhere in map, it seems like. 1706 ore was the total I got. So I believe that took 14.8 hours.

4 drills runs at just under 82 ore per hour (not finished mining yet). So production rate on both appears slightly down. Curve may be slightly down.

But overall an absolutely wild buff to bolder mining and automation that I didn't think would be possible. To just have all the things work all the time! I wonder at what point that starts clobbering fps...

[trim kestrel]

Will mushrooms spawn onto spike traps? I'd assume the mushroom enemies would, and get killed. But shrooms themselves...?

[river hamlet]

Idk , will make some tests with it

[trim kestrel]

I don't understand what you're trying to achive with all this complexity? Are you just wanting to turn the wood from a root farm into planks?

I did that by just sticking a single robot arm on the end if the old Mz design, to fill a sawmill, with another arm to put the planks into a chest. The way it works, I belive you could just add more sawmills in series to increase throughput. Since they won't accept wrong items input any more.

[river hamlet]

Are u looking for a splitter or so?

[trim kestrel]

If one wanted to split the output of a conveyor 50/50, simply have two robot arms grabbing from the end of a line, in turn. Alternating which is powered with a delay circuit oscillator. (But I don't see the need.)

.
Question 1: is max running speed now faster than minecarts? Azeos dash feather feels super-speedy and fun. And is there an even stronger speed buff item(s) in the sunken sea?

.
Question 2: how fast are speed boats? In tiles per second (should be easy to measure with a video clip).

[river hamlet]

Wont work so well - if nothing has changed, 1 claw will get more then the other

[trim kestrel]

If there's too much over-run in the arms being powered (?) for a 1 second on-to-off oscliator, then just up the delay to 2 seconds or more. Or I could probably come up with something more complex.

E.g. inserting a 1-tick pulse filter in front of each arm, from the 1s oscilator.

[ripe lily]

Has anyone tested whether claws can place stacks of 999 into a chest

Ie the autosorter

[trim kestrel]

You mean, on top of an existing stack of 1 or more in the chest? No. 🤷

[ripe lily]

Yeah

Sigh, that's the most annoying bug/feature

Other than still not being able to automatically delete items

[trim kestrel]

You can very quickly test that with one of your setups though. So does it work? 😜

[ripe lily]

My computer is off so I can't test it

[ripe lily]

https://tenor.com/view/working-anakin-starwars-gif-4653092

[river hamlet]

Ah i missunderstood u, I thought u wanna power up both claws directly

[ripe lily]

omg it even splits the last stack so the chest always gets 100% filled, the rest is overflowed

[trim kestrel]

Wow, that's big! Nice. So many food little changes going uncommented, unnoticed. Or big ones, like the conveyor/automation range, which no one on reddit had realised! 😶

[trim kestrel]

That's even more huge! If pedestals accepted an item, we'd have a splitter, too...

[ripe lily]

we might be able to use it to make a splitter

would have to think on it tho

table saw doesn't act and a pedestal substitute, rip

but i mean splitting only gives slightly faster smelting

[trim kestrel]

What about regular tables? Forgot to test those again.

They should act as 4 slot chests, though, if I remember my own testing correctly... So

[river hamlet]

and now we got the same with 6-Slot and 8-Slot tho

[trim kestrel]

...? Oh, there's bigger tables, right.

[river hamlet]

yup

[trim kestrel]

So, bad news: it looks like automation (i.e. bolder mining and/or long conveyors) doesn't automatically resume on game reload... Anyone else confirm?

It's the conveyors. [I don't know wtf]

[trim kestrel]

Oh yeah... Long distance conveyors are very f-ed up... 😕

I move this conveyor line from being straight up, after noticing it had stopped delivering gold ore, on game reload. I went down the conveyor line to find out what had happened to the drills and there was no backlog on conveyor or at the drills...

But then these lumps of gold ore had appeared in the middle of where the conveyor line was, at a nonsense spacing. 😶

G-g-g-g-g-ghost conveyoooors! 👻

[trim kestrel]

Robot arms just drop all items through tables, too, like pedestals... 😞

[trim kestrel]

Nope, ghost items!

[river hamlet]

lmao

uhm..?

[trim kestrel]

Map tool still works for me right now.

Have you got a really big map file?

[river hamlet]

prob

[trim kestrel]

Peace's map stopped working in the viewer by ~50k distance.

[river hamlet]

could i send u my map for trying it?

[trim kestrel]

me? I guess. But wanna ask @inland compass ultimately.

[river hamlet]

idk if it is something with my browser, thats why

[trim kestrel]

try a different browser...? but you can if you want, right now.

[river hamlet]

ok i found some parts of my map, put it is kinda buggy where the cam is?

[gusty epoch]

I like how you can just pile two maps on top of eachother lol

[river hamlet]

Did already some1 check if the cores are with distance?

(the big city is a core-city)

[long dagger]

I was trying to make a large design so it'd work for a large wood farm

ig I could filter the wood, use the arms to continue refilling the saws after manually filling it so it won't intake planks but then I'd have to find the exact amount (or less) of saws I need for my farm

[trim kestrel]

Wah? I've never seen that before...

[trim kestrel]

I'd love to know what distances people are finding their main sea dungeon and the two bosses. Would require some brain power to triangulate on maps though, potentially.

[river hamlet]

tell me what i should do with my map and ill do it 🤷‍♂️

[long dagger]

Too many saws would result in the extra saws being filled with planks when wood supply is low

I think the 3 dungeons with the cores have a set distance

Prob something like 50-100 blocks further from blue slime boss up to around 200 away from the boss

Within a certain range basically

Those r just guesses from a look at my map but it shouldn't be far off

[lilac gale]

Omoroth definitely is farther out than Azeos is by comparison. At least on my world

I'd say more on par with Ivy possibly.

[trim kestrel]

I'd use photoshop to measure the x, y number of pixels from core to each thing. Then do simple trigonometry. but there'll be alternative ways that are easier, i imagine...

[trim kestrel]

Maybe further...? One blue slime boss location someone showed looked very far out.

[lilac gale]

Omoroth is the titan name no?

[trim kestrel]

yes

[lilac gale]

I don't know their names yet lol

Okok

[trim kestrel]

I know but can't remember or spell... 😐

[lilac gale]

Then possibly yea, mine is pretty straight down I might be able to get a good estimate if I took some time to make bridges all the way down

[trim kestrel]

Just use map tool and measure pixels in p-shop...?

Probably someone's decompiled and harvested the numbers already, somewhere, though...

[lilac gale]

I don't have pshop that's the issue lol

[river hamlet]

okkk

i took the cuncks to ivy (900) is 14 chucks for me.. soo 900/14=64.28

64.28 x 24 (broken core) ~1500-1550

ok its not the best way.. but maybe some approximate number for comparison

[long dagger]

Was that for 1 dungeon or all 3?

[river hamlet]

1

I only found 1 so far

so i would go with my guess, that 1 spawn on a 1500 circle

[gusty epoch]

It’s just using the map tool, just load two maps one after another

[long dagger]

Thing is, does it generate from the bottom entrance or starting from the core?

Results would differ if sunken sea is either south or north of the core

If it generates from the entrance

[river hamlet]

hmm

i cant tell tbh

i just like the idea of 1500 - arent the devs also number lovers...? 50 - 300 - 350 - 900...

[trim kestrel]

Nice! I should have suggested the map chunk grid lines. Counting them up is accurate enough. 👍

So, main dungeon a lot further out than wilderness. (You all finding it ok going, time investment wise?)

You got weirdly lucky to find that, straight down. If it is pre-spawned on an arc.

[river hamlet]

(i feel at the wrong place with this response haha - not like in a University)

[river hamlet]

i mean a bit map-luck is okay... after hours of searching mid maze...

[trim kestrel]

It will be like the main mold dungeon, which locates the cicada scene exactly on the arc, then generates a big dungeon out around it.

Unless...

[river hamlet]

I like those grindy games - so for me its okay. This Content/search is the biggest content update ever, so why should it be done in 5 min's?

[long dagger]

2 of the dungeons generate with a sunken ship entrance so it depends

But generating from inside out could be it if what u said is correct

There's a bit of a gap between the sea and wilderness and I'm guessing it's incase some important structures get generated on the edge of the biome and need some room

[trim kestrel]

Unless the devs have changed to a range of distances, for the cores. In which case, it might use the regular scene generation algorithm, once you enter that range. In which case, everyone would expect to find one quickly, upon entering that distance range.

Which would make sense; I'm sure the devs will have noticed the number of players frustrated trying to find stuff in wilderness. Maybe they make it a bit easier to get started...

[river hamlet]

#👀-spoilers-chat message lmao

[long dagger]

I wasn't expecting that someone already posted a good example of it, lol

[river hamlet]

found it literally 5mins ago

[long dagger]

Nice

Did u explore next to the edge or from within the sea when u spotted it?

[river hamlet]

uhm

i think i explored the edge...?

[long dagger]

That's prob y if they do generate when the player gets close to it

Prob exactly how someone found the turtle island attached to the shore

[river hamlet]

turtle island and shore?

[long dagger]

The island with a statue of a turtle

Connected to the large land piece circling the core from a distance

[long dagger]

Basically the red line

[river hamlet]

ahh

[inland compass]

chunks are 64x64. so you can use good ole a^2 + b^2 = c^2 to find the radius for the arc of new things, based on counting grids

[river hamlet]

I was kinda lucky with the spawn of it… stragith south

[inland compass]

this would be a nice change, after X radius add the scene to be eligible to be spawned with Y% chance. Could even toss in having Y increase as chunks are loaded beyond X radius

and that would eliminate the need for an exact radius spawn specification

[trim kestrel]

Sure. With more distance data, we could know (or get a good idea if) what they've actually gone for. 😉🙂

[river hamlet]

hmmm

thats interesting

What yall think about that...?

I cant tell what happend with the shrooms on the spikes… did they grow and instant pop out…? Was this 2 little guys…?

But the shrooms are perfect in the mid of the tile…?

[inland compass]

wood grows weird now. don't even need a fully grown root

[long dagger]

think it only grows 1 wood in its 3rd stage but thats only if theres an open spot on any 4 of its sides

[inland compass]

Mine grew 1 wood per stage

[trim kestrel]

yeah, we talked about new root bugs a bunch, above, after Mz noticed. And I've reported it. So 🤞 for fixes.

[trim kestrel]

When did it stop being possible to spawn kill glurch cleanly with just spike traps...?

[lilac gale]

Possibly this patch, I had done it before the Sunken patch the night before

[long dagger]

Remember when u shared urs and I was talking about how spikes alone worked?

Last time I used it was during the version of the clip I sent

Which it worked on, idk how many updates past since then

[pulsar anvil]

Wassup wasuup peopleeee

[river hamlet]

i cant tell btw if the "old" setup is slower or faster or even lmao

[cloud bear]

Faster

[river hamlet]

u sure...?

ok now i can tell hahaha

[river hamlet]

i cant tell clearly, if 2 citys spawned on top of each other, but i thinks its a kinda uncommen for those 2 green-rooms in only 1 city. also if u look at the walls.. what yall think - why dose this happen etc

[river hamlet]

another weird spawn.. the tulip-wall-room spawned very outside city

[long dagger]

Mind showing the size of it on the map? 👀

[river hamlet]

Those was the old rates

but here

[long dagger]

nice

im thinking of expanding mine but but idk if it'd be worth the effort since im just selling the planks

[inland compass]

nice, new gear from fishing

[lilac gale]

It's pretty cracked too tbh

[trim kestrel]

Thanks. my memory and time perception are so bad I doubted myself.

Do you think they've buffed Glurch's hp? (Not on wiki yet, but no surprise.) They've not nerfed spikes? Hit rate, or anything...? (Felt weird.)

Just that with introducing two world difficulty levels, I wonder about the potential for accidental changes, as well as deliberate...

Oh, Glurch now insta-heals a chunk of the initial damage back, bringing him back over 1/2 hp, so he doesn't pause to go into enraged mode...

Huh. That seems like it's specifically aimed at this setup. Unless he gets major regen in regular fights, too...? That would make sense in "hard" worlds, but not for "normal".

[lilac gale]

They probably gave the boss an anti-cheese of sorts so it can't be one ticked.

Have we checked the ghorm one tick set up to see if it works?

[inland compass]

hive mother is still super easy

[trim kestrel]

My one-tick Ghorm farm shouldn't work now. For a different reason (I'm making a video on). I've not tested the just spikes setup with Ghorm.

[lilac gale]

Ah gotcha

[trim kestrel]

You mean, once you can lay spike traps under her? Sure, doesn't matter how much health she has when stuck to the spot...

I worry she's too hard for new/casual solo players, though... If there's no walling or acid blocking cheese, now. I've not checked it myself.

[inland compass]

no not spike traps

you just stay out of her acid range and range her down

dig an island so the spawns can't reach you

[trim kestrel]

With fireball staff? Right. That's the only stat, to excavate a full moat. Pretty time consuming and not obvious to new players.

[lilac gale]

Yea, idk how they'll change that unless they make it so the entire hive biome is build blocked

[inland compass]

staff or sling shot or blowpipe

and not a full moat

just enough to separate you out

[trim kestrel]

well, not blowpipe first time... 😜

[trim kestrel]

The larva still won't path all the way around to dig through a load of (hive) wall then? hmm.

[inland compass]

made the spike in the middle of the moat to funnel the ads off to the side and give me a clear shot to her

[trim kestrel]

smart

the opposite of a skill farm

[inland compass]

yup!

that's how i thought of doing it

[trim kestrel]

but yeah, that's very specific. new player would have to find a guide for that strat.

Took me a few attempts and nearly giving up to come up with walling the spawn nodes.

[inland compass]

they just need to give the ads the boss ground/destroy ability

[trim kestrel]

why [you call them] "ads"?

[inland compass]

so they can dig through the walls and place ground over pits to get to you

[primal rapids]

I pretty quickly went to the moat strategy on my first playthrough

it was multiplayer, and we had no hope of staying alive with the adds, so moat was the next idea

[primal rapids]

if that was a real question, add is video game lingo for any additional enemies that are there to make your main objective more difficult https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/add#Noun

[primal rapids]

by the way, if you stay out of aggro range, does it work like ivy where some spikes are not destroyed, and are those enough to finish glurch?

although with the new version I don't know if ivy leaves spikes intact either 🤷‍♀️

[river hamlet]

Soooo

My tests with the shroom-farm are (half) done

I think i can say, that mushrooms can grow on spikes/convoyerbelts.

On convoyer belts they will actually spawn and stay there and on spikes they will spawn and instantly pop out as an item.

How to use that?

We could build a room (e.g. 5x5) fill up with shroom-ground and place spikes over it. Shrooms will drop and the shroom-guys will get killed.

Tadaa ez shroom-farm.

Only negative point: u have to collect the drops yourself.

The fix for that would be my logic circuit/drill setup combined with convoyerbelts or spikes for the shroom-guys.

But that would be a very big/place wasteful farm.

So some1 also tested with shrooms, have a idea or want some more infos and test with me for an ‚ideal‘ farm/guid?

e.g. it would be a thing to test if the shroom-guys can spawn on an already spawned shroom? Can something other harvest the shrooms? Are the shroom-guys agro against other mobs/npc‘s/buildings/tiles? Why/when are they agro?

[primal rapids]

I have no idea what the shroom guys even are (and don't want to know at this point) but could you put a mechanical arm pointing at the spikes that would collect the items for you? if they don't attack the arm like some mobs

[forest lodge]

shroom guys are so cute!

[river hamlet]

idk if that could work.. cuz they seem agressiv against my delay circuits and only aggresiv against drills, if im in (idk what) tile range

but that would be less pain then doing the circuit-thing

[inland compass]

hmm can you macro fishing in the new biome? or will the tentacles spawn and kill you lol

i guess that would be within a 7 tile radius so they shouldn't spawn

[river hamlet]

it worked fine for me tho

[inland compass]

guess that rules out any weighting by radius for scene generation

[trim kestrel]

Weighting what variable? Spawn chance? x-y offset from grid centre? Seems like medium mazes are the most commonly/ centralises scene, from what I've seen.

[inland compass]

that's a medium maze spawning at Ivy

so doesn't seem to favor spawning the maze closer to the core

which means the spiral search radius is going to be the best/easiest

search pattern, not radius

[trim kestrel]

Oic. Depth into wilderness/biome. Yeah, I'd guess mazes only care to spawn where you look, as we've said. 🙂

[trim kestrel]

Do tentacles spawn in sea water thats in dirt/neutral biome, etc?

[inland compass]

i haven't fished sea water yet, is it special water, akin to acid/moldy?

[trim kestrel]

So they say. Can't be over-written by the others. Which makes sense, given that otherwise, one leak into the new biome would "Ice 9" the whole thing! 😶😆

[trim kestrel]

I mean, the poor/lazy-player's version would be rail line running down the middle to afk on. Take the player to the drops, much easier. 😅

[trim kestrel]

Yeah, I've been needing to say this. Animation department knocked that one out of the park! 🍄😍

[trim kestrel]

I'll try standing further from Glurch later. See if he wrecks my ill advised little farm decorations for the 10th time...

[trim kestrel]

Thanks, I genuinely don't recall hearing boss related trash mobs referred to as adds, before. Possibly brain rot...

[trim kestrel]

Heh, I guess we all know your a smarty pants. 😜 I'm surprised that fight doesn't work better with 2 or more people...

I'd initially assumed it was set up with specialisation in mind: one focusing on boss damage, one on shovelling (now hoeing) acid and crowd control. (Similar with Azeos heal crystals.) I worried that solo play got the short end of the stick, being less catered for.

But perhaps it's, in part, trying to encourage/force use of fishing + cooking for acid immunity? (The otherwise most useless fish.)

[river hamlet]

but automation ):

[trim kestrel]

Automating player movement is a part of automation... 😉

But yeah, if you wanna auto-sort ALL THE THINGS without input. Fair enough.

[river hamlet]

idk i always think big (caveling farm thehe) if u got a biiiig shroom farm, it could be a pain for grabbing all items up

[forest lodge]

They are so cute and so stupid. they literally stagger in one direction until they either hit a wall (and stop) or end up where you were standing when they started. Then they pause and spot you again, and stagger after you.

[trim kestrel]

Out of range, Glurch hops once, destroying most the spikes. But those top row of 5 keep hitting. So might kill him (I thought it was over so I stepped in and agro'd him). But he does keep getting chunks of regen, so not sure.

So, main sea dungeons not all on one arc, but maybe beyond (or between) a certain distance...? #👀-spoilers-chat message

[long dagger]

That's what I've been saying 👀

[long dagger]

Btw how do these help out if the wood growth limit is 5 and the drill is at the 6th?

[trim kestrel]

They didn't. They were there from growing the backbone and are redundant thereafter, unless you accidentally break the build.

[trail badger]

I built a small farm and its mostly covered in grown shrooms, i keep consistently getting item drops even though the spawn spots besides the spikes are used, though i suppose it could be something spawning on the spike.. man i havent confirmed anything sorry

[trim kestrel]

Shoomy bois walking over the to spikes and dying?

[trail badger]

well, realized they pointed out mushrooms grow on the spikes but drop instantly

Ive been getting fungal soil drops which means shroom men are dying

but i have two open slots on the thing that havent grown mushrooms

[trim kestrel]

What core distance radii are Omoroth and blue slime on? Or anyone with them both found (and marked) can you post a map tool image with grid on, please, and I'll work it out myself.

I'd like to see how directly I can find everything. Execute the search pattern, etc.

[trail badger]

like how we know Az is 600 out?

Omoroth is 1100

[trim kestrel]

Ta. Did you just measure that (in map tool) and do the math yourself? 🙂

[trail badger]

No, I brought craig the idea of being able to do a specific tiled radius, and he agreed, so i have omoroth on my map and just typed in values til it lined up

granted, if they didnt use their standard of each boss is a certain distance then itll be problematic

[trim kestrel]

Oh excellent. Apparently I'd not refreshed my maptool page for a while to show that new option... 😅 Thank yo @inland compass! Our lord and saviour! 😃

[inland compass]

lol Intep wanted a user radius

[trim kestrel]

It's a good call

What's the betting my omoroth turns up 2300 tiles around on the very far end of that search arc, eh...? 😆

Happen to have the range for blue slime boss too? What that be, like 1400 to keep up the pattern?

[trail badger]

i can go get the number, i have to make the finder and go boating though

[trim kestrel]

Thanks. No rush actually. I won't start searching tonight. But tomorrow maybe. 🙂

[trail badger]

wow, mine are like polar opposites of the biome, Omoroth edge up north, Morpha edge down south

give me a min

1400 is good

[trim kestrel]

Did I guess right? Is that where yours is? (Maybe i'd seen someone else say already...)

[trail badger]

thats on the dot exact

[inland compass]

do i need to add a new boss at 1400?

[trail badger]

looks like Omoroth is 1100 and Morpha is 1400

thats just from my map though

i dont have the 100% sorry

[inland compass]

K i haven't hit the sea biome much yet

Started from scratch with the new patch. Almost at the point of getting there

[trail badger]

I did the same

just took on Morpha tonight

[inland compass]

Not having all my 100 skills is rough lol

K

[trail badger]

tell me about it. not having those initial running skills always being hungry 😄

[inland compass]

Do we have any outstanding fishing questions for the new area? I just set up to fish overnight

[trail badger]

ive been avoiding fishing.. and the game trolled me for it

first thing i found in the sea biome was a POI island with a chest with nothing but fishing poles

but im not even sure what questions to ask, each biome got an added drop didnt it?

[inland compass]

Catch rates, catch times etc

Previous testing showed no variation between biomes for hook times

[lilac gale]

I've been using the afk for a bit now it's been mostly successful

[inland compass]

Forgot to wear the boots i got from the dirt biome. Oh well.

[lilac gale]

I'm too lazy to go grab the set from my other world lol

[primal rapids]

To be fair to the fight, we aren't the best of gamers, that's why I go quickly to cheaty tactics 😄. But also the fight gets longer with more players (unless all focus on boss), so everyone has to play their role perfectly (and not die) for it to be easier.

[primal rapids]

I wonder if they made all boss regen more aggressive :( RIP ivy farm. What about electric doors? Resistant to enemies yet?

Automation and other mechanical builds aren't getting much love in any updates yet

[primal rapids]

I guess the multiplayer is well balanced, because I can just barely beat the bosses solo, but I can't carry another player through them.

[inland compass]

I soloed ivy with a blowpipe without getting hit. Just need to clear the arena and have a lot of wraps to eat to keep your speed up.

Ghorm is probably the hardest for me to solo right now. Haven't got to azeos on this new character yet.

Also has anyone noticed any mob density increase with the new ground cover? My wilderness is jam packed with cavelings now.

Makes it very difficult when every clearing has like 3-5 hunters that kill you in 2 shots lol

[primal rapids]

Ivy farm still works without modifications. Not sure if the regen was stronger or not. It may have been. Also doors still break 😞

for the record: it seems like ivy aggro radius is between 17 and 18 tiles

I feel the urge to design a new ivy farm with all the knowledge I have from this iteration, but I don't really need one and it's a chore

it's probably easier now if you can control the spawns more accurately

[primal rapids]

do you think 3 thick wall is enough to prevent mobs from teleporting through?

2 thick doesn't seem to be enough

huh, it seems that azeos might have a couple tiles further aggro radius, but not 100% sure

I wonder if hunters hunt azeos (bird faction) 😄

[river hamlet]

@trail badger so ur guess would be shrooms cant grow on spikes rigth? The thing is i dident seen any of that shrooms pop out. It was the fact, that there were like 7 shrooms on the spkies and on a similar big area coverd with convoyerbelts there were also 6-7 shrooms and just 1 shroom-guy. I did just guess like ‚oh 1 guy spawned here… there cant be 6 in the other area‘

Also the sense of the spike-layout is, that shroom-guys die 😂 so yea, there will be fungal soil and shroom-guy-figurines

[primal rapids]

I'm assuming you still can't disguise as a caveling using the caveling gear?

doesn't look like it

[deft pulsar]

Can Shroom grow under conveyor belt?

is there any good design for shroom farm yet?

[primal rapids]

I think I'm going to start the no-spikes run... maybe I'll figure a way around ghorm when I get to it

[serene kraken]

I beat him with full iron armor

0 spikes at all

First try too

[primal rapids]

I mean: no-melee, no-ranged, no-bombs, no-spikes run

I guess shrooms and slimes don't fight?

[river hamlet]

#977128133142659102 message tests are running

if u copy this layout, let me know how its working

[serene kraken]

Oh

[deft pulsar]

mobs in hard mode are seriously hard to kill with spike traps

[primal rapids]

huh, I cleared all ground slime from around my base, went mining for a bit, came back and my base is full of slimes 🤨

I don't think this would have happened in the previous version

okay it may have been the teleporting glitch

but it was so many slimes 🤔

and there are new spike slimes that weren't there before, so it can't be just that

[primal rapids]

they've updated the vertical interaction distance <3 you can interact one more tile down now

[river hamlet]

someone can proof that? (should be the mid-city)

or 1650 is the entrace for me

[river hamlet]

also for comeing back to this... idk if claws are lag-friendly or not, but would prevent lag from floating items be a reason...?

[long dagger]

I've got the perfect solution for ur pacifist run on all bosses

||thorns||

Enjoy

https://tenor.com/view/zach-galifianakis-funny-laugh-laughing-weird-laugh-gif-3547058

[fading nebula]

lol

[long dagger]

Well I'm not sure if it works for their attacks actually

But if it does ur gonna have a blast

[primal rapids]

I've heard of a thorns glurch kill, so I guess it's possible, but I wonder if you need to farm max HP for it

[long dagger]

Max hp would benefit a lot to boost potion hp% heals

And you'd wanna tank a bunch of shots as quickly as u can and some bosses can do a bunch in just a few seconds, specifically the titans

But they got thousands of hp

Azeos prob like 50k+

Other one idk but a bunch

U can get 50 thorns from farming skill I think

Thorns rings from thorn wood

Idk what else

[gusty epoch]

In single player Azeos has ~32k

[primal rapids]

yeah, well, the only problem at the moment is ghorm

I think azeos might be a problem too later on, but I'll deal with that then

[lilac gale]

Azeos has 31042 hp in single player Normal

[gusty epoch]

I'm so close to my first full stack of new ore lol

I guess it's good to be accurate lol

[lilac gale]

Rune song comes in clutch sometimes kek

[gusty epoch]

I'm a big fan of the whip weapon 😄

[lilac gale]

As for hard mode, I don't know I haven't seen anyone report an hp amount yet

[gusty epoch]

oooo

[river hamlet]

1. ring-city

i think its more like the core spawns first...?

[lilac gale]

Would be interested though to know how much the hp scales and if the scaler is across all enemies universally

[long dagger]

I took my guess from rune song kills but that was before I increased my max hp and I based it off my current hp

And I didn't know enemies scale based off character difficulty, I thought the only downside was perma death

[lilac gale]

Hard mode for the world

Not hardcore for the character sorry

[long dagger]

I wasn't aware there was hard mode for world creation 😅

[lilac gale]

You're right that hardcore doesn't have any other modifiers aside perma death

Ah, yea that's new this update

[long dagger]

Oo

[lilac gale]

It's a good challenge tbh

Higher drop loot at the cost of harder enemies all around

[long dagger]

I'd say only if drops r boosted too

O nice

[lilac gale]

As a duo my friend and I were getting over a row of double chest loot from each boss every time

It's a fair bit more than a normal world

I'd say comparable to.. 3-4 player drop quantity

I didn't pay super hard attention though

[gusty epoch]

62084 so double health

[lilac gale]

Gotcha

Which then scales with MP.. sheesh

Birb eventually would be stronger than an NPC lol

[primal rapids]

multiplayer hard birb could be?

[lilac gale]

Yes potentially

If it starts at base 62k

8 player scaling would I would believe pretty easily push it over 100k territory

[trail badger]

cant tell if the shroom guys are spike spawning or conveyor spawning....

[river hamlet]

maybe do a chamber with only spikes and one with only convoyer belts

[trail badger]

i could just adjust this one to belts only since it got 90% of the slots filled

just manually clear it until all the slots are grown

[gusty epoch]

I dunno if everyone has the same experience, but on this setup it only pops ore on the right side, so I guess left side doesn't need conveyors at all.

[lilac gale]

I've noticed that my ore only gets spit out either up or out to a side

I've never had it go downward since the update

[gusty epoch]

I'm gonna let it run this way while I'm off doing other things and see how much is piled on the left when I get back lol

[long dagger]

When near it I think it may be random but when unloaded based off what I've seen others post/say, it may come from fewer drills, maybe even just 1

I've made a lil room with blue and purple slime floor and never found living slimes in it, only loot

[lilac gale]

Off screen it only goes to one spot

And in my case since the patch it's only been upwards

Every time I have checked ore is only above the set up when I come to collect

[gusty epoch]

Which order do you put the drills down in Peace?

Also these types of tiles can hide the moss under them

[lilac gale]

Completely random

[lilac gale]

However I want to lol

[gusty epoch]

I'm curious if it has to do with order but I doubt it

I didn't power mine till after they were all down, although I may have powered the right side first?

Friends forever

[trail badger]

well, they spawn on belts

so at least that works

now i just have to wait for it to grow out

to see if theyll spawn on top of the grown mushroom

[gusty epoch]

Mold boys still mostly win, although Scholars can sometimes kill one or two

[trail badger]

i had an area where the wilderness ones had spawned up to a few dozen hunters, and they were wrecking the mold

[primal rapids]

wow, normal non-raid-party cavelings have got their pathfinding improved too 😳

[gusty epoch]

lol I didn't end up with much more testing supplies I guess

[river hamlet]

https://medal.tv/games/core-keeper/clips/p4F6ZwjxrnNpQ/d13379JwkLH1?invite=cr-MSwydFksNjk1OTYzOTYs kinda weird path finding tho and the crab is stuck somehow?

[trim kestrel]

I mean, all closed doors now lose their collision box when you come back from being off screen. So I'd not even considered testing automatic doors with mobs. Lemme know. 😉

[primal rapids]

like, permanently? until you break them?

[trim kestrel]

I found that, building my sea-line along the edge of the wilderness. It seemed to spawn a lot of ground cover, with about 5 wilderness cavelings in each small clearing, as you say.

But, of course, no different in the old parts of the wilderness I'd previously generated. So I assume base (grass floor) spawn rate is the same...?

I feel like the devs might have over-egged the difficulty, to try to make sure they reach sufgicent levels, ready to scale back a bit with feedback (from new players).

[inland compass]

yeah everything seemed like it did after i'd left my game on for days, pre patch

so maybe they just bumped up the initial spawn at chunk generation

[trim kestrel]

Maybe. With 1 wall and a moat, my regular caveling posse sometimes half escaped, other times all stayed put...

It's hard to know what's intentional and what's new unintended idiosyncratic game behaviour. I've mentioned, to the devs, (farmer) mobs escaping/vanishing/turning into hunters (reportedly). And certainly despawning (from zoos) didn't seem to have been intended.

[primal rapids]

yeah, I'm getting some reaaally weird mob behavior in my new pacifist world 🤨

it feels like they're teleporting without any rules, spawning from nothing, disappearing

[trim kestrel]

Cavelings are smarter than larva, heh. Also, you'd need luminous red eyes!

[inland compass]

I think this is my new goto food

are the new bosses that hard that the devs added in all this crazy stuff?

[trim kestrel]

Was that one-shotting azeos for 30k, then? To be sure of no health regen...?

[lilac gale]

mhm

[river hamlet]

so it seems like 1. mega-city (core) is 1250 tiles away from the core 2. mega-city (core) is 1550 tiles away from the core and 3. mega-city (core) is 1850 tiles away from the core can anyone confirm that? I used https://www.craiginsdev.com/maptool.html# and created a custom circle

(i migth should add vault is 1000)

[trim kestrel]

Good work. I'm curious to know this too. I thought I'd seen people with 2 large sea dungeons at the same distance. Implying dynamic spawning.

But if your centers are at precise multiples of 50, that's quite convincing for pre-spawn.

[trim kestrel]

Until you open and close them. I guess it's more that the collider resets to open position.

[trim kestrel]

Right. I'd guess there's buggy data handling of the mob array. That their numbers are getting shuffled together or something weird.

Like the automation changes, do you think maybe the game's now trying to spawn and move mobs everywhere all the time, or something equally ambitious?

[primal rapids]

I don't have any guesses on the specifics, but I agree it's probably something to do with the optimizations that make the "everything is simulated up to infinity" possible

[lilac gale]

I will double check these numbers compared to my own results momentarily

My results from my double check:
Vault - 1000
Close Mega City - 1250
Middle Mega City - 1550
Far Mega City - 1750
Omoroth - 1100
Morpha - 1400

[river hamlet]

Thanks

When i Finaly will figth the bosses, i will also send haha

[lilac gale]

It's not as necessary to know those, since they have the locators now, but it's still good to know I guess

[primal rapids]

the shaman was on that 1 wide strip, the cavelings were in there with the chrysalis and such... one of the cavelings teleported to the shaman's place, the saman and another caveling teleported to... a spot in the pit

[lilac gale]

it happens occasionally with the crabs too I've noticed.. as well with a single slime so far for me

[primal rapids]

fairly annoying, especially for the pacifist run where I have to rely on mobs 🙄

I tried to find out if that spot is special somehow, but it doesn't seem to be a chunk intersection at least

maybe a chunk border vertically, but it wouldn't explain why they went there horizontally

[upbeat gazelle]

Hey yall, heard you were compiling numbers for megacity and vault distances. Here's what I got, on the dot. Cores and vaults centered on the lines.

[lilac gale]

A few individuals now have just confirmed the distances I listed here, they seem to be accurate @river hamlet

One of those being Skooma lol

[upbeat gazelle]

👍

[river hamlet]

👍

[upbeat gazelle]

I might have to hang out here when I get tired of answering questions in #👀-spoilers-chat lool. This seems like the cool kid channel

[lilac gale]

It's the data compiling center for sure

[upbeat gazelle]

Just my kinda lingo

[river hamlet]

a bit nerdy lmao

[lilac gale]

They were doing analysis of chunk generation before the update dropped, which was pretty neat to follow

[primal rapids]

...I just remembered that shamans don't aggro at ghorm 😞 maybe it still isn't time yet for no-spikes run

[inland compass]

at least with the moss you can spawn them near the ring

get some urban moss going, they should smash him nicely

[upbeat gazelle]

Who do you think I am? 😏

[upbeat gazelle]

can you give me a link to check that out? I've been curious

[primal rapids]

can't get urban moss in a fresh run without first getting through ghorm

[inland compass]

ahh

[lilac gale]

Uhh it was over the span of quite a few days

[upbeat gazelle]

just the general region

[lilac gale]

I can try to find the earliest part of the conversation though

[upbeat gazelle]

I'll scroll if need be

[inland compass]

search this channel for like 64. that's the chunk size

[upbeat gazelle]

All the info I've been compiling is just from me reverse-engineering the programming and what I've obtained from spoiler chat with statistical analysis

[upbeat gazelle]

will do ty

[lilac gale]

#977128133142659102 message

Is when craig added in the chunk grid to the site

so around there

[upbeat gazelle]

sweet, thanks. I was trying to figure out how to search in a thread lol

genius bit on loading the cave chunks after killing ghorm

[calm pier]

how the

[lilac gale]

wdym

[calm pier]

this has update so much since i last saw it

[lilac gale]

lol ye

it has

[calm pier]

how do i even use it

[lilac gale]

It has directions

They're hidden now, but click the blue wording

[inland compass]

click ? Directions

[lilac gale]

Not hidden, moreso collapsed I should say

[inland compass]

no more confusion! yay

[calm pier]

see