Core Keeper University

[winged cypress]

and it takes 2 nights to fill all of them, it's long enough

[trail badger]

I wasnt laying the bug at your design, Yes i was meaning when it reached maturity that it seemed like the watered state reset, and yes its still doing the growth before maturity bug

[trail badger]

i tore down my quick and dirty farm before i had the remembrance that this was a thing that had happened previously, so i cant guarantee that was the original issue but im 95% sure that was it. Not a major thing, just something that i had forgotten that cost some time, and yes i was water after the seed was planted, so that shouldnt have been the issue. I dunno.

rebuilt the farm, working fine now. who knows 🤷

[trail badger]

Zero, with your work, did you notice that sometimes a root just gives up? lol.. this was the problem root for the last time i built it to, just wont progress to the last 2 tiles

[winged cypress]

my very old wood farm looks like this

[trail badger]

this has just been a special time lol. i just wanted wood for bridges and flooring 😛

[winged cypress]

because wood is already flooding, so I dismantled it long ago

[lilac gale]

Behold peasants, the best wood farm design 😤

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/851843901002219560/964696869605359727/unknown.png

[trail badger]

ikr.. i broke from the almighty and it cost me

i really just didnt want to make 600 drills again

[lilac gale]

Fair. I have a modified one I use now actually, just have these for good ol sake.

I do an 8 seed set up with a 6 long channel in the middle. The 8 grow into the middle and then I have two drills break on each open end.

It works well enough for my solo needs.

4 on each side of the channel

[trail badger]

yeah, being solo i dont really need a whole ton, just wanted it automated, and then i forgot about the whole watering thing.. it just.. bleh

[lilac gale]

It's silly yea.

[trail badger]

rebuilding it over and over has gotten me 15 gardening levels though, so thats a positive 😄

[winged cypress]

since my wood farm now is brutes, so it's totally fine, lol

[long dagger]

R the strip wood farms broken now? I had it built a few versions back and it runs fine rn but is it impossible to build the base of it now? Not gonna be home for a while so ima have to describe how it looks like. Left to right, empty, wood seed, repeat right. Going down from the gap from the top left, 4 wood seeds, to the right of that 4 wood, repeat.

[trail badger]

i doubt its broken, probably an issue between chair and keyboard really

dont stress on me being crazy

[long dagger]

Went ahead and drew it, shouldn't be hard to understand without an explanation

Thinking about moving my farm when I finally decide to build a proper base

Prefer to stick with the same design since it works well

[mint warren]

I know this was a few days ago you guys were discussing this but I've just started a new world and larvae both big and small have started spawning differently as well with several loud thwomping (😂) sounds and then breaking large sections of wall as they spawn in with no ground chrysalis to be seen

It was greater than six tiles away from me as the player when it started

[trim kestrel]

Oh, so you're thinking this looked intensional? Like the groups of Scarabs that burrow out of the sand right next to the player?

[mint warren]

Yeah it definitely seemed like it rather than me just being lucky

Idk how you would replicate it though

[trim kestrel]

Well, the alternative is mob teleportation bug. But that doesn't seem to pop mobs right there in view. (Sometimes they vanish, though.)

[mint warren]

I went towards the noise and they spawned in right there, the walls vanishedg and there was the animation of the big larvae as if they had been eating the wall

[trail badger]

larva do have an ambush mechanic now

[mint warren]

Also its wasnt just one larva it was two big larva and about 6-8 smaller ones

[trim kestrel]

I've not really seen that myself... Bot sure I could even try to explain that pattern in terms of individual stumps that have stopped growing at all... 🤷

[trail badger]

yeah its got me stumped... bwahahahah.. but not that big of a deal, the 4 arms still produce more than i will probably actually need

[trim kestrel]

@lilac gale I guess you missed my question yesterday: what'd you think of the new cooking (rarity) system?

And everyone here? Does it make more logical sense now, if you've looked at it? Any new idiosyncrasies?

[trim kestrel]

Aha, this is the topic I meant to come back to...

Did you devs experiment at all with making the (Galaxite) turrets either:

(a) Directly triggerable with with electric signals?

(b) Able to track targets in range, over a limited firing arc. Aiming a little in either direction.

They don't feel quite right to me, and I've been trying to figure out what to suggest...

If they are purposefully permitted to shoot through each other, then their triggering shouldn't be purely by what they can see. It's too clumsy. And doesn't leave quite enough opportunity to do anything clever with wiring.

I'm thinking of my rapid-fire dart trap designs in terraria. But maybe using some wiring like the short delays in my CK door 'hoik' build. 🤔

[agile abyss]

Yeah I agree with you. Originally we discussed having them only triggerable with wiring, then use pressureplates and wires inside the mazes to make them shoot. We felt like this didn't make sense with the story though, as they weren't supposed to have electricity back then

but it's definitely something we want to expand on. How exactly is something we will have to look more into

[trim kestrel]

For the Stone traps, sure. But for the Galaxite, which are player crafted only, and need power to fire at all...

[agile abyss]

ah so they did implement that into the galaxite ones? I remember discussing it but never got to try them myself

[lilac gale]

Oh, yea I did forget to reply sorry. Must have had a fish pop up on the line 😅

It's good overall. I also like the fact that double golden crop gets a small buff over golden crop and fish or other ingredient.. and the fact they renamed the "golden" larva meat.

I need to re-cook a lot of my foods lol

I'll probably wait till I have a few stacks of the new fish before I cook though since I'd rather get it all done at once.

[trim kestrel]

Right. Ok. Yeah, so, for sure that electricity should give more utility than just turning the turret on.

I guess it does more damage than a stone turret, but still.

It could fire blind once when powered up, to five the option of manually triggered firing. But then also retrigger on seeing a target... Or even aim, too... Or, maybe swivel back and forth passively, only shooting when a target is directly in front...? (To brainstorm a few possibilities.)

[trim kestrel]

It's a little odd that golden veg can never give their base stats now, right? Effectively, because they always make rare dishes, at minimum.

And I'd not seen this slight buff from both being golden... That sounds awkward to convey to players. Is it a fixed small percent on all stats?

[floral tendon]

i think the turrets are fine as they are, but a damage bump couldn't hurt

although it would be great to see different kinds of turrets

maybe, you know, a poison turret 🙂

[trim kestrel]

When I was testing the Galaxite turrets initially, it looked like they could sometimes apply poison to targets. I guessed a bug (in the pre-release).

[floral tendon]

what a curious bug lol

[long dagger]

have the flame trap enhance projectile dmg 🤷‍♂️

[lilac gale]

The "buff" may just be the fact that they are only rare and above now. I'll have to do some 200 cook sample sizes and compare buffs.

The fact they're only rare is sort of silly imo, but it's still a nice change regardless. Not having a base tier for it is just odd compared to what we're used to.

[hoary osprey]

Golden Plant will have a higher effect when cooked with the golden plant than cooked with other ingredients
For example Golden Heart Berry will give 21.4% melee damage normally and give 24.6% when cooked with golden plants

Thus the cooking page in Wikizet might required a rework

[hoary osprey]

The change are good, makes me more easy to get epic level effect with non-plant ingredient, but can I just flip the page of recipe with clicking on the arrow as there are double recipe now.

[hoary osprey]

The detect range should be a cone instead of a straight of it is too hard to prevent when player are searching in maze.
And allowing the cannon to fire blind once when powered up will make all the boss can be easily killed with its 150 shooting range as player can just stack cannon at each direction out of boss aggro range.

I am still thinking up a method to make it easier to be used in mob farm.

[trim kestrel]

So that looks like about +15% for the second golden veg, effectively...?

I feel that's kinda awkward. To have a hidden boost effect that doesn't show up, except when scrutinising the exact numbers.

[trim kestrel]

Yeah, balancing for bosses is a tricky one... Although, is setting up 100 turrets that much more cheesy than spawning 50 mobs and conveying them in? Or just standing 14 tiles to the right, in the aggro dead zone?

I think it's too far the other way, at the moment, given that it looks like you can only get 4 turrets to hit a slime boss (without clever target baiting):

Maybe that's deliberate, to avoid what you say. Maybe it's just an idiosyncrasy of the targeting system code.

[floral tendon]

😒

so much for lit tiles

[long dagger]

lol

idk y but its funny

[trim kestrel]

Why you no make block square?!

[obtuse star]

not sure if wires take up the same layer as a lit floor, but if they dont you can use them to square up the wall

[floral tendon]

that does work yes

but tbh i'd rather the wall not square up but hide the lit floor instead

the squared up natural walls look kind of strange

[gusty epoch]

Someone just needs to make “rugs” that look like dirt/stone/grass/clay.. you get the idea..

Or a lit wall

[trail badger]

ooh.. a lit wall would be super neat

[gusty epoch]

I've wanted some, maybe like glow-tulip style glow using ancient crystals but I guess those don't glow on their own to my knowledge.

[floral tendon]

on the bright side, covering with a regular painted tile and slime disguises it pretty well

wish the glow spread further though

[weary pond]

need help I moved my install folder to my other ssd and now I don’t have my save files how do I get them back ? Or are they lost forever?

note when I use the map tool I can still pull my map up

[trim kestrel]

These are the usual save file locations: https://corekeeper.wikizet.com/en/Save_data

Or, if you have the directory via map tool, copy it from the open file pop-up.

Or search your computer for "0.world.gzip", etc.

Also, this isn't really a tech support channel. Most players use general or game discussion. Good luck.

[weary pond]

Thank you I’ll try my best lol guess this is what I get for moving stuff without checking first

[floral tendon]

turrets can be invisible now just like conveyers lol

[weary pond]

Idk what I did lol but I managed to get my world save and character save but the map is blacked out 😂shouldn’t be hard to re explore especially since my markers are still there I may have deleted the map lol

[trim kestrel]

The map file will be there, if you've opened in in map tool. Maybe you didn't manage to put it into the right folder name, if you found it.

[trim kestrel]

How many turrets you got for that to happen...?! Or, do they share the same render resource as conveyors, perhaps.

[lilac gale]

@trim kestrel fishing 60 - 735 compared to prior 1061

[floral tendon]

probably the latter, it's not that many

this many x2

[winged cypress]

oh? it seems I finally killed creeper in my mobfarm

spawn rate is really poor though

[burnt sand]

@trim kestrel yo did you know that the mob AI uses group area spawning and nearby entity count?

[knotty dragon]

Meanwhile my caveling farm

[trim kestrel]

Is this an insight from testing or code/asset examination?

I'm very keen for any leads on where to look to find numbers on the new spawn system.

[hoary osprey]

You can actually set up 12 turret to fire like this or just side by side and all of them will fire normally.

[trim kestrel]

Ah, ok. Looks like @tidal dock may have missed a trick there...

I guess (if he tried it) his side turrets weren't quite far enough away for their vision arc to see the central tile of the slime boss?

You can't add any more to the side of that, though, right. 3 is the max, per side, at the moment?

[tidal dock]

i tested 3 and it didnt actually work

also u want to be careful not to get hit

otherwise you will lose the max health damage bonus on your character, and you're having to chug a potion to get it back up

[trim kestrel]

It looks like he has it working in that screenshot though...? So unless you two are doing something different, there's some kind of inconsistency/bug that would be nice to pin down...

[tidal dock]

maybe. i tested it with stone turrets too

possible if there are other mobs far out that its targetting

testing now

guess it does work again

odd

[trim kestrel]

On the contrary... I think the turret's vision range is only 10 tiles...

So could it be that your side turrets were slightly too far away? I count 10 tile to the centre tile of the boss, for your setup. Then the little extra for diagonal. Did you try closer?

[tidal dock]

yea it is working now

[trail badger]

does that setup do what we used to do to Glurch with spikes?

[tidal dock]

glurch is different

[trim kestrel]

I think you must have to get a quite specific sweet spot for the vision arc to be wide enough, but distance to not be too far...

[tidal dock]

glurch instantly dies no time to slam your traps

thespike traps while withstands the slam. its the molten under neat that will break it

and if u use the hoe, u end up accidently remove the spikes anyways

not worth the time to redo it

honestly you kill the guy so fast with your gears these extra damage barely does much

i mean i dont even use pots or food for this fight it goes down fairly quickly

[trim kestrel]

Can you kill him without any player damage, though?

[tidal dock]

only the galaxite trap in the 5 spots above him is the sweet spot to avoid slams

no can not

he heals alot

[trim kestrel]

Is that true is you stand closer with slime king gear on?

[tidal dock]

yea

u can stand next to him with king slime and watch it

as idid in my video guide

[trim kestrel]

Sorry. I get vague on specifics... Hmm. Ok.

So you'd need a fairly involved setup with a train of turrets, like @long dagger made, to get a full afk molten mass kill.

I guess it would be possible with enough turrets. Especially with poison spikes, too, to reduce regen.

[tidal dock]

okay thebottom side only 1

the sides can be 3

the botoms only one is shooting

thats probably why i was thinking its only 1

[trim kestrel]

Hmm, it is a bit funky... I wonder if the devs might want to have it make a bit more sense. Persuade them to make all the turrets work that look like they should.

[tidal dock]

thats why i was thinking its only 1

but yea the 2 sides u can get 3

top and bottom only center will fire

[hoary osprey]

Thank you for the testing and now it is maximum with 8 turret and maybe 1 stone turret behind the player.

[tidal dock]

the reason why it might be funky is cuz the slime ground he spawns can possibly spawn slimes under him

so this is the reason why its possible sometimes to see additional shots

[winged cypress]

I still wondering we can build a 150-tile big gun or not

[trim kestrel]

Yes, that's what I'm saying. Like this: #977128133142659102 message

[winged cypress]

theoretically, if we build this long gun, turret bullet will stack together eventually

and like this slime boss can be hit by 8 different tiles, with 8 line of 150-tile big gun can kill it instantly, maybe?

but pain is sentinel is very rare on single urban moss

[hoary osprey]

Excuse me, would you please try again with this set up?

https://youtu.be/EIyYdqpfx2o Here is my test video but only showing the right side of top and bottom turret shooting. (Maybe still in uploading process)

I want to know if the turret on left also shooting or not.

[tidal dock]

does not work

only the sides fire 3

top and bottom only fires middle center

if u see it fire its probably a slime that spawned and died

he's covered up 3x3 slime grounds under him so he can spawn slimes

u dont have king slime set to walk over to see?

[hoary osprey]

I don't know the king slime also work to the boss

[tidal dock]

king slime makes u immune /friendly to boss

all boss slimes

i demostrated this in myvideo did u watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3I9nGHq__g&t=502s

[hoary osprey]

I have watch but not every part of it

[trim kestrel]

You can see in your video that you left side turrets fired just before you killed (2:32) him because the projectiles pass right through.

[hoary osprey]

https://youtu.be/EIyYdqpfx2o

[hoary osprey]

I mean left turret of top and bottom

I will try again with generator replacing the switch

[trim kestrel]

I think your lower/upper turrets are just too close.

Mine work between the ranges I have them laid out here. For Glurch. And I'm assuming the slime bosses are identical here, because they are in most other ways.

[tidal dock]

6 titles apart in ur vid there right

im pretty sure i did 6

i tried difference distance

yea the 6th tiles away does work actually u're right

6 tiles spacing i mean

7th tile placed

[hexed crow]

can you speedup burnzooka with atk speed?

[hoary osprey]

Thanks for Ron and Zero for testing.

[trim kestrel]

I wouldn't rule out there being a difference between levers and generators, at this point, either. Heh. CK electronics can be a little whacky...

[tidal dock]

@trim kestrel @hoary osprey no thank YOU guys for pointing out this quirk. I updated my video guide text description mentioning the adjustment

"EDIT: It's possible to have 3 turrets shooting at the boss on each of the sides (12 in total shooting) The turrets need be spaced 6 tiles away from the boss summoning circle edge. The 7th tile is the sweet spot. (thanks to ZeroGravitas and bearharry for pointing this out)"

[hoary osprey]

I am actually trying this just because 4 turret required too much Galaxite bar for reinforcing the weapon in hard mode.

[hoary osprey]

https://youtu.be/ZI34bCUxsg8 And no difference between levers and generator

[hexed crow]

yes. ranged atk speed work on burnzooka

[burnt sand]

testing insight from trial & error via removing every spawnable block outside of the farm area within player range: doing this only increases spawn chances though, not the cap I think

[trim kestrel]

So, are you saying that clearing out all mobs (and spawn surfaces), within a certain distance of the player, will increase the number of mob groups spawning in on top of you?

[burnt sand]

that is the theory, yes

[trim kestrel]

Do you think they have to be able to path to the play, in order to spawn like that?

And can player be totally afk?

Have you counted them over time, perhaps?

[burnt sand]

If that is the case though, to make the most out of that mechanic you would have to use a farm design that makes use of large spawn platforms and a quick kill chamber

[burnt sand]

this theory will be fully tested with a large scale farm design in the coming week or so with a big group build project im in so I will let you know the effects vs online spawn rates once I afk it for a while

[burnt sand]

You would definitely have to be afk in the center of the build for this to work perfectly

otherwise you risk leaked spawns

[burnt sand]

additionally, I think filling the spawning space outside the farm might be actually better to prevent the light bugs from spawning since those are entities too

[burnt sand]

I think its most likely that its just how the game chooses spawns since ive witnessed group spawns already that the only requirement is just having enough spawning ground to get the max probability of x number of spawns at once

[trim kestrel]

Ok, let us know what you see. 🙂

[floral tendon]

fwiw that's consistent with what I've observed

there are no spawning surfaces in my turret area and i get the ambush spawns frequently when manually clearing out mobs while working on the belt

[dawn marlin]

Turrets or traps
Farming

[floral tendon]

personally i'd rather it not happen though cause spawning a mob on the wrong belt will probably result in disaster

[trim kestrel]

Manual collection or auto-sorted to chests?

[dawn marlin]

Manual

[floral tendon]

use both 🙂

[trim kestrel]

Then traps it is! Much easier.

[floral tendon]

no real reason not to use turrets unless no resources

they don't occupy the same space

[trim kestrel]

There's zero benefits and the setup is more complex and limited with more than can break.

With traps, it's easier to kill the mobs in parallel and collect just what you want, too.

[floral tendon]

just

use both?

I'm saying there's no reason to not also use turrets

[trim kestrel]

What biome that in and what mobs spawn on you?

[floral tendon]

they're not mutually exclusive

uhhhhh clay

cavelings mostly

[dawn marlin]

How ablut
Galaxite traps

[floral tendon]

any type

[dawn marlin]

Tin turret

Troll

[floral tendon]

mixed cavelings in a group in fact

[trim kestrel]

A mix of different biome cavelings...?

[floral tendon]

yeah

i suspect it's the same mechanic i observed previously though

the one that grabs nearby mobs and teleports them to you

I've only seen this with cavelings

[trim kestrel]

Like, clay moss and stone moss?

[floral tendon]

yep

scholars too

i wish i caught it on video but alas

happened 2-3 times in a row during one cleanup lol

[trim kestrel]

That's broken, lol! So not just stone cavelings in desert, as a bug. That changes things a bit...

[floral tendon]

to be clear i still don't think these are true "spawns"

[trim kestrel]

Sure. With the raiding parties, previously, it was confirmed that they'd collect existing mobs up and spawn extra if needed.

I assume this is similar, or the same... Did you mean they popped up right in front of you?

[floral tendon]

yeah

real spooky

[trim kestrel]

They have any animation?

[floral tendon]

nope

all spawned on one tile though

[trim kestrel]

Lol. SURPRISE!

[floral tendon]

so they just exploded into view

got a guardian once lol

that was a real jumpscare

[trim kestrel]

Right. Frost had seen a bunch of urban caveling spawns all appear on the same isolated tile, heh.

[floral tendon]

in any case I'm not sure if this is the same "raiding party" mechanic as the one where they follow your pathing

because afaik those only come from offscreen

[trim kestrel]

Right. So, I'm not sure if the devs intended to have both in play, now...

Or just switch up how that works. They seemed quite proud of the scent trails. But they didn't work that reliably, and looked a bit odd when doing a conga line right past you because your route doubled back...

[floral tendon]

yeah not sure what the intent was, makes more sense to just beeline to you

my main concern right now is that larva ambush....

because of course i chose to build in the most cursed biome

[dawn marlin]

could a design like this work?
Black = Turrets
Orange = Tin Spike Trap
Blue = Conveyer belts (leading to the green dot, aka the chest)
Dark Purple is wall or smthn idk

[floral tendon]

i'd put a space in front of the turrets but yeah that should work

just don't put any stone moss in it

[long dagger]

Have 2 turrets for the end point aiming at green in case any get through

[floral tendon]

fwiw

the conveyer belts are kinda pointless

bc you can't automate collection from traps

well, not for every mob type at least

if you don't mind running in and grabbing the drops every so often, just build a big old spike pit surrounded by turrets

if you want an automatic collection system it's a lot more involved

[dawn marlin]

oh

lol okay

well

im positive i have enough material to have a auto collction

screw it

what do i need for de best farm of all

[floral tendon]

separate your spawns into groups that won't fight each other, and use conveyors to transport them into a room with turrets

at the end just put an arm somewhere to pick up the drops

can't use traps for auto collections because they have to be right next to an arm, and some mobs will break the arm

[dawn marlin]

can u just show me a photo of what it looks like 😁

[floral tendon]

no, because i'm in the middle of rebuilding mine 🤪

i would otherwise

[floral tendon]

something like this though

[trail badger]

so......many......gears

[floral tendon]

yeah...

[trail badger]

need a mob farm to build a mob farm

[floral tendon]

yeah LOL

fortunately i had one

i came up a little bit short though so i had to ||dupe|| a few

tfw building at 14 fps because the mobs are piling up while the turret room is offline....

[trail badger]

so for matching up the mob grid to the world since i have to have the maptool up seperate.. do i just go to where it looks like.. build a couple things, then keep refreshing til i get it right?

[floral tendon]

more or less

i like to use torches as markers

[trail badger]

cant see torches on the map tool though? or are you doing a count from your core?

[floral tendon]

well i do what you said, put something down and refresh to check the position, then mark it with torches

[trail badger]

oh gotcha gotcha

[floral tendon]

once you get one corner you can just count

[trim kestrel]

What the.... Why is that brute not attacking the slimes through the wall?! Is this a stealth change?

[floral tendon]

they never did

they only do that for players

[trim kestrel]

Really...? 🤔

[floral tendon]

have to make sure not to get to close to the belt

yeah

they will attack across a gap

but not a wall

[trim kestrel]

🤯 if true...

Could have made my optimal farm more spacious, in that case.

[floral tendon]

haha yeah... but tbh can't be too careful

never know with this game

[trim kestrel]

Yeah, one mob gets embedded in a wall and bam! All hell unleashed!

[floral tendon]

yeah i'm pretty afraid of walking out of range atm LOL

yep bad things happened LOL

[trim kestrel]

Ain't no party like a Caveling party!

[trail badger]

looks like i hit the grid pretty good 😄

[floral tendon]

yeah don't go rerouting your farms just yet 🙃

[trail badger]

5 mosses 4 slimes now?

[floral tendon]

yep

[winged cypress]

but in my mobfarm's case, they attacked zombie with 1 gap pit before...maybe pit is different with wall though

[winged cypress]

Satisfied with my current settings, finally past 1 night without repairing

[lilac gale]

Fishing 70 - 1018 compared to the prior 1584

[winged cypress]

since it's adopted a lot of turrets, so it's a little expensive, at least stone moss area needs it, not need that many though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3CMA7pIUkk&ab_channel=きず
https://imgur.com/a/vRTuDQs
https://imgur.com/a/9WqkJ2e

[long dagger]

odd looking farm, r the rates good and whats the size of it?

looks about 100-120

ive seen some msges about spawning, was there any changes? prob were just talking about scarabs and lava butterflies if not

[burnt sand]

@long dagger ongoing theory about spawning efficiency and manipulation

[long dagger]

i still think rates r reduced when theres a bunch spawned

[burnt sand]

i believe that

[long dagger]

reduced rates in a wide range when theres a bunch spawned in a clump up to a few hundred tiles away*

[burnt sand]

isnt the range of player spawning like 100

[floral tendon]

running smoothly now

[winged cypress]

it's about 135*135

each room is 15x15, and there's 24 rooms

[long dagger]

that farmer surviving for his life

[winged cypress]

and about spawning, still didn't found a way to spawn fire butterflies, and bomb scarab is too rare and...dangerous

[floral tendon]

LOL

yeah what a hero

trying to save his family

[winged cypress]

lol

[long dagger]

prob just like crabs, same rates so its slow af

gotta make a large farm

but spawns may be reduced or restricted for other reasons

[winged cypress]

it's even more rare than crabs

[long dagger]

damn

[winged cypress]

I've built one on sunken sea area so I know the feel

[floral tendon]

really gotta have a word with the dev about this one

[long dagger]

and i got 2 figurines from them so i dont think ima need a farm for it at all

[floral tendon]

but at least it fixes itself

[floral tendon]

yeah same LOL i got mega lucky and dropped two scarab figs back to back

[winged cypress]

if I'm giving up farming bomb scarabs, it's becoming completely meaningless to build a mobfarm on molten area

[long dagger]

maybe add another 2 belts below, 1 right and the next facing up

[floral tendon]

well it looks cool 🙂

[winged cypress]

it's not efficient, sure

[floral tendon]

nah clearly the belt itself is not working

so another belt wouldn't exactly help

[long dagger]

im clearing an area for a scarab farm rn, been working slowly

[floral tendon]

it just unsticks itself after a while

[long dagger]

itd add more room so there could be less of a backlog

so the rest of the mobs dont get restricted by just 1 mob

[floral tendon]

that's a good point, but there's no space

as long as no belt is pushing at a wall it shouldn't cause any problems

[long dagger]

there is, just 2 belts and it could make a difference

[floral tendon]

oh you mean below?

[long dagger]

ye

[floral tendon]

i mean, then it would just get stuck above it

[long dagger]

have the right one facing up, idk if itll work but u could try if needed

[floral tendon]

yeah i'll try it if it becomes a problem

so far it's only stuck temporarily

so i'm not inclined to bother

[long dagger]

nice

[winged cypress]

Other
• The Larva Butterfly enemy now spawns from Ground Magma Slime.

nice

[floral tendon]

Fixed some mobs trying to attack through walls.
oh nice, i can walk next to my belts again

ah hell butterflies have flight pathing

please tell me they at least obey fences 😩

[winged cypress]

they just spawn on ground slime tile, good, I don't have to modify anything 😄

[floral tendon]

nevermind, brutes still attack through walls 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡

[trim kestrel]

So your mobs just yad a party..?

[floral tendon]

nah it just messed up a few tiles cause i got too close

this is a big ole clown patch imo

cavelings still attack through walls and adding butterflies to lava slime ruins basically everything

[trim kestrel]

Kk. Oh, i see the minor update hit at last! Will have to have a read... ,📖👀

[winged cypress]

it seems basic workbench can prevent flyers passing through the wall

it looks ridiculous though, but hope that works

[trim kestrel]

Did you record that clip of the scarab clipping through wall in the latest patch? Today?

[trim kestrel]

What do you all think?
(a) Does lava butterflies spawning on lava ground slime make more sense than from lava liquid?
(b) Is this more desirable for mob farming?

[floral tendon]

no it's fcking terrible lol

[winged cypress]

spawning on lava ground slime
pros: it's more convenient to make it in my style of mobfarm, caveling zombies still killing them anyway
cons: as least it should be prohibited in molten area, or it still lost the reason to build a mobfarm in desert area

[floral tendon]

clipping through walls aside, we might as well be back on pre-desert techniques

mob fighting is unreliable and tends to break when returning from a distance 🤷

[trim kestrel]

Is it bad for you because the butterflies will escape current mob farm setups and cause problems?

[floral tendon]

well

the clipping makes the game basically unplayable unless i tear up all my lava slime

because god knows where those butterflies might wind up

but clipping aside

[trim kestrel]

Yeah, aside from the obvious bug..? 🙂

[floral tendon]

there's no reliable way to farm the slimes and the butterflies with the same setup

[trim kestrel]

No?

[floral tendon]

you can use mob fighting but again that's basically back to pre-turrets

which is very very prone to breaking

simply because their catchup code for mob combat is not very good

you always wind up with mobs where they shouldn't be and breaking arms and such

works more or less fine if you stay nearby

but leaving and returning will tend to cause problems

[winged cypress]

this is pre patch, but I just fill another layer of workbench instead

and hope they won't pass the wall ever again, and it seems works

[floral tendon]

if butterflies had their own spawning tile it would be not a problem at all...

because they don't aggro turrets

but slimes do

and turrets conveniently seem to block flight pathing

you could theoretically just box in the butterflies with turrets alone

but slimes would break them

[trim kestrel]

Oic. You mean you can't have the open space for firing turrets at a conveyor because the butterflies will jump the gap, off the conveyors.

I don't think they shoot turrets(?), but they may accumulate and intercept shots...

I think turrets hit butterflies.

[floral tendon]

yeah

the first line mainly

their drops will wind up floating off the belt

defeating the purpose 🤷

like i'm alright with just... letting that be for now

because i honestly can't think of a better solution

[trim kestrel]

Another way to look at it would be that turrets could do with some change(s) to be more viable in mob farming...?

[floral tendon]

i tried to keep them on the belt with perpendicular conveyors but they fly faster

[fallow hawk]

I wonder if this is why my poison slime/city caveling farm has the caveling spawn into the stone biome across a giant chasm I dug explicitly to prevent that from happening.

[floral tendon]

i wouldn't say so

turrets are fine imo

it would be cool if they could see thru each other but not necessary except for maybe hard mode

they wouldn't really solve the problem anyway

unless they were somehow invulnerable to mob aggro lol

[trim kestrel]

There is no catchup code. I guess you could say that's the problem?

If you go beyond 105 tiles of mobs, they just don't fight and traps don't fire, so they get transported into places and concentrations they shouldn't, then spill out or get into fights that shouldn't happen there, with collateral damage.

[floral tendon]

well i'm using the term loosely

whatever they have in place that does whatever it does when you re-enter range

[trim kestrel]

Mibs turn back into mobs instead of items.

[floral tendon]

yeah

it's less of a problem if the thing you're trying to kill is melee only

because they just stack up and it's fine, and the (hopefully) ranged mobs you're using to shoot them will just slowly work through them

but even a lowly caveling shaman will overwhelm tentacles and whatever

if they all come back en masse

especially if there are other units to block shots

turrets already solve all of these problems because mobs don't return fire (thankfully)

[trim kestrel]

Turrets are much worst at chewing through a mass of mobs, though, I think? Or do they do enough splash damage that masses of mobs can't just dilute the pain and regen?

[winged cypress]

since turret don't count as traps

[floral tendon]

generally speaking it works

it'll take a while but i haven't had trouble with them so far

as long as there's one poison tile in the loop

and you can cycle the mobs thru that tile

[trim kestrel]

Can you avoid item drops accumulating on that poison tile? Is that where you have an arm?

[floral tendon]

yeah i put an arm on it

well

before it actually

i actually have two tiles with no conveyor

because i want a door

but without a door yeah just an arm over the poison tile works fine

[trim kestrel]

Ok. And that arm gets broken when mobs (of different factions, or big larva/miners) accumulate on that tile while you're away.

[floral tendon]

yeah, but i have it designed to avoid that

i have not experienced miners breaking my electronics of any sort, by the way

[trim kestrel]

I've recorded it several times. But I think it may depend on pathing beyond the arm/drill.

[hoary osprey]

What is the current problem of the classic trap and conveyor approach?

[winged cypress]

mainly about fire butterfly spawning on lava slime ground

[trim kestrel]

Picking up and sorting the items manually.

[winged cypress]

because it spawns two type of different mobs

forcing you have to redesign if that caused trouble

[floral tendon]

i'm annoyed because they gave us a great solution to a problem and then broke it a week later 🙃

but hey i'll just deal with some floating drops for now

if they at least obeyed fences it wouldn't be a problem really

or if there was some other object that turrets could shoot through but they couldn't fly through

[hoary osprey]

Is that the butterfly still obey conveyor belt?

[floral tendon]

sort of

conveyors will move them but they fly over spaces

[hoary osprey]

Then you don't want the butterfly fly into the turrets?

[winged cypress]

flyers still transported by conveyers

[floral tendon]

no, the butterfly doesn't bother the turrets

but the slimes do

and they spawn from the same tile now

[hoary osprey]

Surround the spawn area with several rows of conveyor pointing inwards then use other mob to lure the conveyor to fire

[winged cypress]

if make a gap to prevent slime from destroying turrets, but sometimes butterflies will die on the gap

cause low efficiency, I think the problem is that

[floral tendon]

i tried that, they can move faster than the belts push backwards

[trim kestrel]

We need big fans to blow the butterflies down a different path. 😉

[floral tendon]

yeah LOL

at least then you could separate them from the ground units 😩

[hoary osprey]

Or just lure butterfly to kill zone direction using other type of mobs protected by opening/closing electrical door

[floral tendon]

unreliable

no way to stop them from reaching those mobs anyway

and that has the same problems as mob fighting

[winged cypress]

if there's turret only, not combined with mold tiles

it will be hard

[trim kestrel]

Once you get other mobs involved as part of a mechanism, you may as well be using them to shoot an kill.

[winged cypress]

or you can try that 150-tile big gun, haven't try that though

[floral tendon]

LOL the railgun

[winged cypress]

make their only exit is that railgun

and kill them instantly

[floral tendon]

that needs other mobs to bait and we're back to square one

[winged cypress]

but since this game's mob tends to teleporting here and there

is not completely reliable, neither

[hoary osprey]

Other mobs can be lava slime

[winged cypress]

you have to put a big mob in the mid of turret to keep them shooting

ideal is sentinels

[floral tendon]

there's still no way to stop them from just

flying away lol

[winged cypress]

you mean pass the walls?

[floral tendon]

no just in general

[winged cypress]

flying away?

[floral tendon]

there's not really a difference between using that setup and a normal turret setup

because of the reasons i mentioned

[trim kestrel]

I had a bit of a play with that, last night, and I didn't find any way to improve on @long dagger's work.

Conveyors won't push mobs close enough to an edge to trigger turrets closer than they did. And using electric doors to push them slightly over the edge just made the projectile hit them directly (with infected).

[floral tendon]

if your setup relies on killing mobs one at a time, it will break if you go further and come back

[winged cypress]

so sad about that

killing mobs one at a time?

[floral tendon]

yeah

[winged cypress]

don't know what you mean

[floral tendon]

so that really long stacked turret setup

the whole point is to hit with a bunch of shots at once to basically instant-kill a mob

but that only works consistently if the mobs are coming one at a time

so that will break if you leave for a little bit and come back

or even if more than one unit happens to come out at the same time

there's nothing to stop the butterflies from just flying away

[winged cypress]

if you make them circled like this, and filled all my mobtile with turrets

will it works? sometimes butterfly will died in lava tile

[floral tendon]

i mean

that's the same as what i already have lol

which is probably the best we can do rn

some floating drops is better than having to repair stuff every time

[winged cypress]

some butterfly will die on lava, which will cause some waste, but still work isn't it?

[floral tendon]

yeah

[winged cypress]

there seems no better solution than this

[floral tendon]

none that i can think of

and that's the annoying part, because there was no problem before 😩

it'll be good enough for now, assuming they fix the wall bug...

[winged cypress]

they seems only can pass north-south way of wall

don't know why

[floral tendon]

shrug

i noticed they also sometimes stop triggering turrets

maybe they overlap the turret tile and it can't see it anymore

[pseudo terrace]

i think i somehow broke my world, after 9 hours afk

[crisp goblet]

I've also been crashing from AFK recently.. new memory leak?

[pseudo terrace]

reports do seem higher after desert update but im not sure

i know a patch just came out so we'll see

[winged cypress]

mine is around 6000MB, don't know it's normal or not

[trim kestrel]

Maybe it will be more stable after all of the fixes in 0.5.0.1 this morning (after you launched your game, there):

[trim kestrel]

They were higher after the sea update too. In part that's just more players returning, so more eyeballs on the game. but also game is getting increasingly complex and hard to manage changes to.

[trim kestrel]

Apparently this behaviour was more slimes (and maybe other mobs) weirdly trying to attack through walls.

Brutes should continue to do so, of course, and the scarabs/butterflies phasing through walls should be getting looked at. 🤞

[trim kestrel]

This is a very pretty light show. 🤩

I feel it might have an issue if you do get a big accumulation of mobs at the doors; I had a similar design to this, for my mob-vs-mob shooting gallery, before the one I settled on. The excess mobs backed up around the return conveyor. As well as squirting through the door too many at a time.

[trim kestrel]

Mobs jamming in corners, I just had to add an extra piece of conveyor, to let others slip past and them to get unstuck.

[knotty dragon]

how far plants can grow from player ?

[trim kestrel]

Conventional mob spawn range is cells with their centres within 208 tiles of a player.

[trim kestrel]

So, there were a couple of reports of mob spawning stopping for the specific mob type(s) when there was the Halloween spawn rate limit bug that allowed huge numbers of spawns.

So it looks like there may be an effective wide area mob cap after all. Whether or not it's deliberate, I don't know. But I feel like there won't be any throttling of conventional mob spawning by a fairly large number of mobs within range. Just a cap.

The new ambush and raiding systems, I don't know.

[trim kestrel]

There's not a limit I know of... I think it could be tested with drills and a long(ish) conveyor, plus teleporting, say 300 tiles away.

[lilac gale]

I can test this with the 100k world after I get off work in a couple hours 😏

[trim kestrel]

I mean, there's no need to go to that extent!... lol.

Did you get that world file working again? I've been meaning to check on my copy...

[lilac gale]

I did

I believe I know why it didn't work, but it's fixed so I'm content.

I just replaced the error'ing file with the publicly download-able one and it worked fine.

So I lost any things I did post my uploading it, but idk if I did anything

[hoary osprey]

Max Mining Damage is 2242 (with 122 mining damage from golden pumpkin cooked with other golden plants) and best match is miner head/body/leg, rusted necklace, topaz ring, core iris and morpha bag. Current base damage is still not enough for Orb lantern and Caveling pants to get more damage than the core iris and miner leg.

[hoary osprey]

Is the drill and circuits work at 300 range?

[trim kestrel]

Definitely. Although I'm not sure how they interact with objects that normally don't.

[pallid cliff]

@bronze blaze

@jade anvil

[bronze blaze]

Lol you have better food than me thank you

[pallid cliff]

Yea, I thought it might be food related

[jade anvil]

with buff and everything

only 2197

and thats double gold grumpkin buff

[pallid cliff]

Talents?

[pallid cliff]

Epic food?

[jade anvil]

yup double gold grumpkin

alrght lol

[pallid cliff]

Ask @hoary osprey I guess

Maybe your necklace is too rusty

Or lab grown topaz

[jade anvil]

must be, my gear is off brand or something

[bronze blaze]

Hmm but the maxed mining damage vant break the lava walls with 1 hit

[jade anvil]

they nerfed double golden grumpkin soup

[bronze blaze]

So the food is trash

[jade anvil]

last image

122 down to 102

imagine -_-

[pallid cliff]

Can’t you make epic lumpy lump soup

[jade anvil]

?thats what i made

[pallid cliff]

Purple version

[jade anvil]

wym purple version

oh epic how would you do that

[pallid cliff]

Cooking trait for upgraded chance

[jade anvil]

thats just to be rare?

if im cooking a rare food it can be epic?

if so that is news to me and i will be doing that asap

[pallid cliff]

Not sure. But I’m pretty sure you need the purple version food. Don’t quote me on the process though

[jade anvil]

i dont know ive even seen a purple rarity food... lol

[pallid cliff]

I have for some dps food

[jade anvil]

hmm, ill look into it

[jade anvil]

well ill be damned , you're right

its actually a LOT better than i was expecting too

wow

[pallid cliff]

Yup

[jade anvil]

guess i found a new layout for my cooking perks

the epic version doesnt count as a new recipe though sadly

[south sundial]

you can stack turreys behind each other (later reply)

turrets*

[trim kestrel]

yes

[south sundial]

@trim kestrel any tips on improving this

im somewhat new to mob farms lol

it just does a conveyer to a turret from a room of caveling moss

[trim kestrel]

I hear that can work. Not sure if you need a tile gap to stop miners attacking that turret. I guess you might have that in the dark there...?

Did you take a look at my mob farm guide yet?

[south sundial]

there is a gap

[south sundial]

yeah but nothing automated on it

atleast the one i found

(wikizet)

[trim kestrel]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2846860078

Happy reading. 😜

[south sundial]

oh wow

thats a lot

wait so you can have conveyors in the spawn tiles itself?

so something like this can work

moss is below (torches just to light things up so you can see)

[trim kestrel]

Sure

[burnt sand]

wish spawning wasnt so slow

[long dagger]

gotta be dedicated and make a 200 by 200 mob farm

[south sundial]

uh half of them spawned in the wrong area

[long dagger]

have the arm on the side and a turret below that belt facing up

[lilac gale]

@trim kestrel 95 - 2164 compared to 4129... difference is a lot larger than I thought initially.

[long dagger]

the one with a description dropped me a poisonous sickle and dropped as itself without a description and doesnt stack with the other one

[red merlin]

they exist

[lilac gale]

Ok so lvl 100 fishing requires from what I experienced 2501 catches, compared to the previous 4978 required. The decrease seems to be a nearly 50% decrease.. now whether or not that translates everywhere...

I guess this is what I get for fishing next to the walls that did not contain them inside my molten farm 🙃

[long dagger]

damn, lol

[lilac gale]

It only got worse as I went further down lmao

and this is only what spawned in a small, small farm since the update

maybe 10 hours of letting it spawn

[long dagger]

shouldve encased it, howd u miss it for 10 hours? 😂

[lilac gale]

I did, that's the thing

they just phase through stone walls

like they don't exist

[long dagger]

o that sucks

[lilac gale]

from what I could tell while they were slowly surrounding my enclosed fishing area they didn't go through the natural walls around the area

so maybe just use the regular sandstone walls or whatever

[long dagger]

👀

[lilac gale]

Like by comparison for a lot of people, this is not a big farm. Just something I quick tossed together just to have the ability to passively try to get the slime figurine lol

and it caused a huge mess 🙃

[long dagger]

i wonder how bad this will go

[trim kestrel]

Noice. Thanks for doing this! Good to see how it's working in practice. 👍

Are you (or have you) going to note down the numbers in a spreadsheet for a quick graph to post to reddit and #📷-ck-media? 🙂

So, yeah, the devs didn't just scale all the skill values down by a fixed multiplier, they reshaped the curve such that the beginning was about the same but the end point was (in this case) e.g. 2x less.

I believe that some other skills (like mining, have been reduced more substantially (3 to 4 times less). 🙂

[trim kestrel]

I'm not certain what you have/had going on there, but could be 2 issues:

1. Mob teleportation bug (e.g. raiding party algorithm gone awry).

2. You used to have more conveyors at the bottom that feed mobs in from a couple of spawn areas. Then, while you were over 100 or so tiles away, the mobs got pushed through the robot arm, when its physics collider was turned off.

[long dagger]

slow progress, may take some time before i finish

[trim kestrel]

What are you putting in there?

[long dagger]

Don't wanna reveal it till that part is done atleast

So it's a secret

Its a pain in the rear for sure tho, ima have lots of fun with the little time i be playing on core keeper. Luckily this time I stayed up the night

[crisp goblet]

.. race track?

[low plume]

i need a project, whats something i can build that either looks nice or is very effective like a farm

[long dagger]

Large storage that you'll hopefully never have to update, wood farm, a mob farm, or just some art.

Automatic sorting storage*

[low plume]

I have a wood farm and huge storage but its just chests for specific blocks/items

i think automatic sorting storage looks bad and isnt really as compact as I would like it to be

will see, maybe i can somehow make it look cooler

friend of mine suggested changing the ghorm track into a forest

[trim kestrel]

Hah! Green belt, love it! 🌳🌲🌱

[low plume]

its a great idea, just takes ages xd

[trim kestrel]

Mini green belt around core base... 🤏

[low plume]

lmao

[south sundial]

ah 2 would make sense based on where they ended up down at the item collection area

is there a good way to prevent this though

[trim kestrel]

Loop the conveyor back, possibly to somewhere it's ok for them to accumulate at a single spot. It's still not ideal.

[south sundial]

do walls maintain hitboxes

only entities that arent walls and enemies

right

if its possible to get a conveyor to shove them against a wall and have a pickup arm on the other side of that wall

[lilac gale]

I don't have all of them, I took note of certain ones and sent them in here when I remembered to check and get the number. That's about it unfortunately I already was sitting there for around 15 hours maybe I didn't want to take notes with my phone or otherwise

As for an infograph, I have zero idea or desire to make one as the new Pokemon games came out and I am absorbed into those 😅

[trim kestrel]

So, that's what I (and others) had tried to do in the past. But the conveyor's pushed mobs through the wall, as if they were items being placed into the next tile at the end.

I talking to Max a fair bit about this, but I'm not sure if this is currently fixed, to be honest. Needs retesting. If it was, it might have been reverted with re-allowing arms to place items into wall/void tiles.

[trim kestrel]

GOTTA CATCH 'EM ALL! Ok, thanks. 👍

[knotty dragon]

how far away are unbreakable ovals ?

from core

and how many ?

[lilac gale]

They don't have set distances.

They're infinitely generating in number and they randomly appear

[knotty dragon]

i see

but do they have certain distance starting to generate ?

[lilac gale]

No

[knotty dragon]

i was thinking about these three

i wonder if theres like one crystal biome and others two in another biome

[trim kestrel]

So, Cysidus posted this revealed map image on their wikizet discord.

It seems to show that the blobs start a bit closer in the wilderness, at ~1300 tiles from core, say. While the more easily traversable biomes have theirs further out. (Maybe coincidence, would have to see more maps.)

[rain creek]

So, I was just wondering: How does the game treat the mob grid borders? I assume it doesn't spawn anything in such intersections or is it something else?

[south sundial]

@trim kestrel sorry for the 69420th ping today but uh this seems to work

a one block gap

still grabs it

[trim kestrel]

Spawning is tile based, so there are no grid boarders. Or you could say they have zero width.

[trim kestrel]

OK. Although we'll have to see what happens if/when the mobs get piled up at the end. If the game deals with that ok now, or they still explode out onto the water and such.

[south sundial]

yeah im checking

should i just leave the area and wait a bit

[trim kestrel]

Depends how fast your mobs are spawning. You'd want maybe a dozen or so. And you'd need to be between 110 and 200 tiles away from all this for there to be spawns but no physics.

[south sundial]

i waited like 5 mins and i got this

i afked here btw

i think thats far enough

but maybe i shouldve gone further

i could go here if thats better

also they keep healing themselves before the turrets hit them again, is there a way to stop that

[burnt sand]

no, you just have to make a turret array

[hoary osprey]

Ground Posion Slime or Posion Spike Trap on their way?

[south sundial]

so like 10 behind each other type thing?

[burnt sand]

Yeah, it requires golems tho, look it up on YouTube or ask Zero abt it

[south sundial]

couldnt find anything on yt lol

@burnt sand you mean this?

if so theres a few issues, what if they awaken and destroy everything

also i didnt know you can even place golems in specific places

[burnt sand]

Yes that's what I was referring to but I have no idea how they work

[long dagger]

Lol, it was a lil tricky to set up, I can record how I did it later and show u guys

[burnt sand]

yes please 🙏

[long dagger]

i thought turrets werent blocking mob vision, guess u can put the golems close to the mob farm with this

[trim kestrel]

*put?

And you mean you can have enemy ranged mobs inside of their ~8 tiles vision range of the closest golems, if you wall their line of sight with turrets?

[long dagger]

apparently

also scarabs dont track over void

prob a bug

@burnt sand heres a lil showcase, u basically do that for every segment once u get the golems in place

the turrets were synchronized again after turning it off then on

[south sundial]

does it need to be golems though

wouldnt it be easier putting a slime in a fence on the same position

[burnt sand]

oh damn

[long dagger]

slimes didnt work well by itself or with belts, dunno if itll work or even keep its position if its up against a fence

[burnt sand]

thats a lot more complicated than I thought it would be

looks like a huge hassle... T-T

[long dagger]

when unloading and loading it back in*

it is a hassle but kinda worth, u dont need that much for a standard mob farm

[south sundial]

also btw does poison slime not work as its effects under belts

it spawns the poison slimes just not like

[trim kestrel]

How about an auto-loading version, more like your original build, with the target mobs in between turret pairs. And have them just stacked up on a single conveyor. And make them all slimes, probably easiest, as can spawn the different colour together quickly.

[trim kestrel]

Maybe easier to go with a 'turret array' design like @floral tendon here: #977128133142659102 message

[trim kestrel]

There is anything about mob farming turret setups on YouTube already..?

[south sundial]

oh wait they made a door push mob thing

thats possible?

never gets pushed the wrong way or anything?

[trim kestrel]

Doesn't matter if they pop backwards a couple times. Mobs behind will pish them through.

Door's just to try to drip feed the mobs in, so too many don't fo the n together and tank the turrets

[floral tendon]

fwiw i think i will leave the door open in the future

but yeah that's correct

it acts as a throttle

[hoary osprey]

Caveling floor should be able to disable the spawn of poison slime while allowing posioning function.
And sorry I just know that the poison slime not posion mob / player when placed under belt
But you can still use the door to push the mobs on the tile of the poison slime to replace belt.

[trim kestrel]

If there were a way to sense mobs, you could build a self limiting setup that didn't open the door until the chamber beyond was clear. Which should work reliably. 🤔🙂

[floral tendon]

i guess so 🤔

[long dagger]

That could work in some cases like a mob farm excluding scarabs since you'd want the turrets side by side and maximize dmg for those

[south sundial]

@trim kestrel uh it broke itself somehow

i was nowhere near

[trim kestrel]

You mixing in stone moss cavelings with enemy mobs? Brutes will attack and smash.

[south sundial]

oh

against cavelings?

or only non stone

[trim kestrel]

Non-allied mobs.

[long dagger]

was gonna use it for a scarab farm and do a lil something but im just gonna keep running into issues if they just keep flying through walls 🤦‍♂️

[trim kestrel]

Were you setting up a couple of max length turret train canons pointing at the middle? 🙂

You could keep going and bank on the devs pushing a (hot)fix soon.

[long dagger]

they keep flying into the lil chambers and fighting the golems

[trim kestrel]

That's not ideal... 😬

[long dagger]

either the golems die or some s**t blows up

not exactly fixed btw

[trim kestrel]

Different bug, apparently.

One I'd never noticed.

[long dagger]

dunno if the scarabs casually flew in or had the dumb targeting through the wall but getting both fixed will be great

i could work on it some more but id have to optimize cause of the bug which will be more time consuming than needed, itd be faster to get the golems in place then work on the rest that i have left in order.

[trail badger]

If im understanding Zeros mob guide right, there would be 0 benefit to filling an entire mob chunk/tile/grid with stone moss, if my main intention were mechanical parts. I would just spread what i could around tiles in seperate grids right?

[floral tendon]

what drops parts again

[trail badger]

stone cavelings and bosses apparently

[floral tendon]

yeah if you don't care about spawning brutes just put 10-20ish per chunk

[trail badger]

yeah, trying to not blow up my comp so ive got 4 chunks going, just wanted to make sure i was doing it about as cleanly as i could

guess i could go to the merchant and just reload 700 times

feel like that would eventually get patched.

[trim kestrel]

Stone moss is not the best example, because of Brutes. But yeah, you can make your moss go a lot further (and place far fewer conveyors) but spreading it about, e.g. more like this...

This is a 16 cell urban moss spawner (for a Morpha farm video I failed to make a couple months back) that took me only 45 minutes to make and half filled itself with mobs in 3 hours. (Conveying them down the central trunk.)

I'd recommend 16 tiles per cell (i.e. 1 tile wide strips) of both stone moss and urban moss. And it's easy to cover 8 tiles, as I do at the top, there, by building on the boundary between cells, to minimise the wall requirement.

Scholars (and sentries) drop as many mech parts as stone cavelings. (It's kinda funny that assassins don't, to be honest.)

[trail badger]

oh geez i missed that urban did it do.. ugh

right now, because my hardware seems to be having issues, ive just left it to here..4 cells are a mix of all for cavelings types. 1 larva, 1 slime and ill make one mold. but looking at what youve made, i think i could make it more hardware friendly for me if i just turn it into 4x whatever strips in each zone and pipe them out into a kill hall.. i dont know why i hadnt thought of that

[pulsar raft]

man I can't imagine your pc surviving by just walking to my old skill farm

[trail badger]

only way i stay at 60 is if i just.. load a new world and dont touch it.. this brings me to about 20 normally and 10 if i have anything else running

[hexed crow]

in my main world (azeos biome), i have a really small one (~22x22) at ~590 tiles from core

[trim kestrel]

Lucky you! 😅

[trim kestrel]

A brand new unexplored world is most efficient for mob farming. Can get close to the 15 minute per maximum spawn event rate.

I think the issue with mob farms losing FPS may be more about the surrounding area, within 200 tiles range. It's big and any spawn areas (even just open sea for jellyfish) is going to slow things down a lot, if you just sit there all night, or whatever.

[long dagger]

did someone say optimized mob farm?

started working on this one instead while scarabs stay buggy

building 4 wide on the mob grids

[crisp goblet]

Are you not "double-dipping" on chunks here? ie., Could you not skip every second strip?

[iron scarab]

Hey all! Haven't played in awhile and was curious if Lava Butterfly just floating through walls was intended behavior? Also looks like there was 100s and 100s of slime spawns in areas I haven't been to in awhile. Very excessive.

[obtuse star]

flying creatures have a few issues respecting the confines of time and space right now

[iron scarab]

Gotcha, thanks 🙂

[crisp goblet]

If you played during the Halloween update at all there was a spawning bug that allowed mobs to overpopulate

[iron scarab]

Ya I had the game up, mostly AFK though. It was (and still is in some spots) just solid orange slime lol

[crisp goblet]

Yeah, I had the same issue.. the slime ring was "shoulder-to-shoulder" slime.

[iron scarab]

Yup

[crisp goblet]

Made for some easy skill grinding though

[iron scarab]

Indeed 😄

[knotty dragon]

instead of generator i use now lever

[trim kestrel]

Makes perfect sense, right? Nothing to see here... 🤔

[knotty dragon]

i turned off turret because it destroys arm. galaxite trap works fine on cavelings

[foggy rivet]

Has anyone here tested that lava butterfly now spawns on magma ground slime and leafhopper spawns in azeos?

[lilac gale]

Butterfly yes

Leafhopper I haven't gone to grab so idk

Don't expect the butterflies to stay inside farms though, they seem to be wraiths and see walls as a suggestion.

[agile abyss]

okay I've fished 500~ times in the desert at this point and still haven't gotten the card 🤔

[lilac gale]

I ended up with 12 after my entire 0-100

Unluckiness strikes you badly it seems 🙃

[lilac gale]

@foggy rivet 🙂

[foggy rivet]

Oh geez that looks tedious 😂

Wait I don't see that the flying mobs going through walls in the patch notes. Has it been fixed or does it still do that? Might be a problem since a lot of them has spawned now.

[lilac gale]

both the scarab and butterflies do this, so it's just a game bug most likely

that's getting worked on and will be fixed in the future

someone found success containing the scarabs with workbenches, but I haven't cared to try with the butterflies

Also, grass hopper above the floating glasses

[agile abyss]

5 hours of fishing, I'd assume around 600~ items caught? still no card

I JUST GOT IT

[lilac gale]

pog

[agile abyss]

the first fishing after writing that

only card left is from metropolis... even though I've explored so much of it...

I think I'm just obnoxiously unlucky haha

[trim kestrel]

Did you track down your parts and craft Rune Song and Phantom Spark, yet?

I seen not much Ruins exploration there. malugaz, too?

[agile abyss]

I did make Phantom Spark but can't be bothered looking for the rune song

I found mulgaz but not the labyrinth that I've seen people talk about (not even sure what's in the labyrinth)

[trim kestrel]

It is underpowered, now, compared to even basic melee weapon drops in later biomes...

But then the oracle decks not that strong and you gotta collect all the important things! 😅

[agile abyss]

no idea what the oracle deck does so no spoilers 🙏

[south sundial]

the vending machine?

[agile abyss]

no, the Inspiration card

[south sundial]

ah

tbf the cards isnt even the annoying part, its the thing that creates the card deck

[agile abyss]

you say that when I was fishing for 5 hours

running around the desert digging holes for 2 hours

been in the sunken sea for unholy amounts of hours and still no card

I found the Thread of Fate almost immediately when entering the desert, maybe I just got lucky?

[south sundial]

yeah you def got lucky there, the desert is open but usually it takes a lot of exploring to find

the others is just staying in one place waiting for rng

or finding structures which arent too rare in wilderness

[trim kestrel]

I have 2 Inspiration cards from adventuring in metropolis and 3 from my mob farm, because scholars are pretty easy to spawn and kill. You should be alright there, maybe... Hard (fishing) part done...

[hoary osprey]

I can just give you one for free

[agile abyss]

nah I wanna try to get it myself

[agile abyss]

yeah I hope so, I have already went through a lot of the sunken sea though...-

[hoary osprey]

Then you should really try to make a scholar farm instead

All 12 I got are from scholars

[rain creek]

Heyo, so, I've been trying to setup a new, bigger wood farm for credits and for whatever reason, there are some branches that just ain't growing up. Am I forgetting something?

[burnt sand]

Those are grown up though?

[trim kestrel]

No. Root growth is just bugged, I think. (Since sunken sea, as far as I know.)

I'd try restarting the game (or to main menu). And if that doesn't get you wood popping up, give the stumps some water.

[hoary osprey]

I believe that you just put the seed too early that convert the wood from tip form to non-tip form so try to not plant the seed before the tip grow pass it and you should let the wood grow one column longer at the column you will place your drill.

[rain creek]

I see...I'll give it a try then! Tyvm!

[trim kestrel]

That doesn't looks like any growth blocking I've seen before...

That's only when there's an air gap between two wood growth points, so they won't grow together.

Growing root past existing stumps stopped being a problem ages ago, too. 🤔

[burnt sand]

I havent had any issues with it on empty ground, maybe theres a collision issue with player made objects

then again i also didnt stack them right next to each other either

[trim kestrel]

Ok! Do we have any proof readers in chat?! To look over my cooked food cheat sheets before publishing. Looking for minor feedback, errors, typos, formatting faux pas?

[hoary osprey]

1. Why Dark lava eater effect have "+" sign?

2. Max HP effect "(Temporary)" or "(Permanent)"? I understand what you mean there, it is the temporary max hp buff of the same ingredient

3. Is the Amber Larva give 52 Max Hp instead of 50 Max Hp? I understand what you mean there, no problem here

4. Should you just give write "%Damage from Bosses" instead of putting % in every column? Simliar with other effect with %

5. 2nd column of duration should be 1m18s instead of 1m? Also 3rd column should be 2m36s instead of 2m?

6. Row: Immute to burning effect is missing

7. Please check if the website of wikizet provided is correct as I cannot enter the website using the address.

8. Golden Dart, Pink Coralotl, Verdant Dragonfish, Elder Dragonfish are missing form the hp regen per second table

9. "Veg/Meat first met in" Table "Mould Dungeon " should be "Mold Dungeon"

[trim kestrel]

Thank you very much for the scrutiny. 🙂👍

1. Yeah, I've been very i consistent with using + symbols. It kinda seems redundant, but game does it so I should, to be clear.

2&3) yeah, it's kinda confusing to include the perma-health foods' lesser known temporary health boosting effects... I deliberated on excluding it, but settled for brackets instead... Maybe I should put golden veg's secondary effects in brackets, too...?

4. I think it's better to have the percent with the numbers, for clarity, to match the game.

5. You have a buff duration extending skill-tree talent in place. Base amount is 1 minute, etc.

[hoary osprey]

1. I only refer to the "+" sign for dark lava eater for row "Health per Melee Hit"

[trim kestrel]

Ah! The dragon fish! Very good catch! (Oh, the pun, it hurts...😅)

Urls should be fine, but I'll recheck them later.

[trim kestrel]

More very good points! Thanks again. My process is very haphazard, and I rarely seem to get such detailed error checking before I've already published! 😅👍

[hoary osprey]

I have finish the checking but there may be mistakes or error I am missing.

[trim kestrel]

I do make a lot, so I would not blame you. But this guide infor should be much improved, thanks to your input. I'll credit your name, on the steam guide. 🙂

[south sundial]

@trim kestrel sorry but uh explain this. I fought malugaz 3 times to get it and i didnt get it once

idk abt 100% lmao

[trim kestrel]

I think that the other two ingredients should have + sign, then. And the buff effect should be named (to follow the wikizet): "life on melee hit" instead of health.

[hoary osprey]

https://corekeeper.wikizet.com/en/Malugaz_the_Corrupted shows the book share the percentage for the first drop slot thus it should be 25% instead

[trim kestrel]

Looks like that must be an error in the wiki, yeah, should be 25%.

[hoary osprey]

I don't know if the 1.62% form item page or the 3.35 % form boss page which one is correct

[south sundial]

ah

[trim kestrel]

I'll check the asset file data later and correct it either way. 🙂

Looks like all the other one roll items will need their pages updating too... Maybe @steep pagoda will squash that issue before I get there, though...? ☝️🙂

[trim kestrel]

I've fixed those. I don't know what other drop chances might be wrong, in a similar way.

[trim kestrel]

This was a good call too... Did you actually go and type the urls in manually? 👍 I don't know how I got them wrong, or why/when they stopped working, but yeah, needed to swap around the words, now.

[trim kestrel]

I'm not the only one who missed this out - the game appears to have no buff symbol for "immunity to burning" this effect, yet! 😶 ❕

So I made one myself... 😅

[burnt sand]

wow

they should use that

[long dagger]

ik its just some pixels but it does look like it belongs in the game

[burnt sand]

agreed

[long dagger]

piling up slimes for the turret stacking kinda sucks, turrets gotta be further apart so its less efficient

making it look good while im at it

the walls in between will be removed at the end

[long dagger]

another nice random bug, 2 despawned somehow

game doesnt wanna let me make a mob farm for anything

[long dagger]

another 4 despawned, its getting painful

[obtuse star]

should there be a mob you can create maybe?

and it wont despawn

[long dagger]

regular mobs shouldnt despawn like this tho, prob raid party related

creating mobs without using spawn tiles would be interesting tho

[long dagger]

this isnt even maxed out to the 150 tile limit yet its so satisfying

i missed a wall near the back

heres a more satisfying one

[tame flax]

What's that for

[long dagger]

a slightly adjusted kill chamber for a mob farm

[tame flax]

Oh that won't work at all in mine lol

To large

[long dagger]

it can be expanded some more and it should work just fine for any current mob farm when maxed out

theres a limit to spawning, u can make it look like a lot by having them killed too slowly and have them piled up

[trim kestrel]

Sorry, I mean, I literally assembled it from parts the existing buff sprite sheets, so it might be pixel perfect for what the devs add officially... 😅

[trim kestrel]

Oh right, you tried out my suggestion, then? (Of a single central conveyor filled with slimes.) Cool. Good to know.

[trim kestrel]

That is some rough mob teleportation bug and/or undesirable effect of raiding party mechanic... 🤔😕

[trim kestrel]

Target dummies that also trigger turrets! 😀

[trim kestrel]

That looks awesome, great work dude!

Maybe the stream of damage will be best, anyway... But I was thinking that, if you start activating them from the far end, with a few ticks of delay between each turret turning on, adjusted by adding more logic circuits in series like my door hoik, then you could stack the projectiles and insta-gib any mob! 😄

[long dagger]

i was thinking about that but idk, dont feel like putting anymore effort into it

prob wouldnt be hard to add while making sure to keep it all under belts (for my build specifically since some of the wires ended up being partially inside the mob spawning area)

[trim kestrel]

Logic circuits (and levers) can't be placed under belts (and block all spawns). So you'd need a dedicated space for the electronics. Best for servicing, anyway.

[knotty dragon]

since when did they change generator. now they produce 24 tiles E instead of 14

lever produce 12 tiles

[trim kestrel]

Lever power was indroduced in desert update. Generator range got buffed before that, in sunken sea, I think.

[knotty dragon]

i just found way to make robot arm a lot more faster. basically skips animation

[gusty epoch]

Do share

[knotty dragon]

@trim kestrel

basically turn on and off really fast electricity

i will make video and put

on discord

[long dagger]

its been like that for a while

works on automatic storages too which is funny cause of how fast the items go through all the chests

[knotty dragon]

interesting

Is this a bug ?

[trim kestrel]

Yes. That is one wiring bug in 0.5.0.0 pre-release that didn't fully get fixed, yet. @shy locust is busy boy. 🙂

[trim kestrel]

Yeah. Frost has been showing this off since months back.

It's helpful for increasing throughput of auto-sorter setups. But when I tried it for conveyor loot collection, is wasn't so useful.

Also, that 15Hz wire flashing is bad for my brain, so I have to be careful of looking at it. Probable migraine trigger for me. Photosensitive epilepsy trigger too, for some others, of course.

[knotty dragon]

damn

[south sundial]

wait could that work on turrets

[trim kestrel]

Nope. I checked (I think).

[long dagger]

My current turret stacking build randomly fires some shots from about 120 or so tiles away without being powered, I'm only using 1 lever for the power switch and the rest r generators to extend the power to the end.

Weird bug, dunno the cause, just felt like mentioning here

[trim kestrel]

That's interesting (thanks for posting)...

Object loading is around 105 tiles from player, I think. So maybe it's some interaction related to that transition..?

Maybe the location of mobs, or something, isn't initially quite right and flickers back into position. Or just some wiring idiosyncracy. 🤔 🤷

[long dagger]

Each segment is identical till the end, just another identical one excluding the core sentry

I could remove the top walls that they shoot at and check if it'll trigger more from further away

But later

[pseudo terrace]

for some reason i found 1 cell that is super populated with crabs, not sure why... if the chance is supposed go down by a factor of 5 per existing spawn seems like you need to have it running for awhile to even get this many even with a full cell of beach sand?

[crisp goblet]

Could have happened during the Halloween event while mob spawning was broken

[pseudo terrace]

i built it post event

[crisp goblet]

Hmm

[winged cypress]

hope one day developement can make a reset mob option

to clear all of them

[trim kestrel]

Others have seen this before. WIth crabs too. (Well before the Halloween update bug.) I think it's part of the mob teleporting glitch. But don't know why it happens.

Where in your world is this, exactly? If you can show a map tool view with chunk and mob grids both on...?

[long dagger]

when i teleport in, it seems like all turrets with a target shoots once despite it being off. about the random shots from the back when off while moving around, every segment seems to shoot if u get far enough, dunno if its just turrets or the power source acting out at around 100+ tiles

[pseudo terrace]

red spot

its a 25x25 cell area with a mob farm in the middle

thats also when i noticed the crazy RAM usage, i think i need to get rid of all the beach sand, bottom and right part are sea biome

awhile back the bottom was not cleared and was islands + sea, after i put the ground down RAM went up and crabs got out of control when i afk at the farm

[trim kestrel]

Thanks. Oh wow, is that mapping accurate? That you've really created all that flattened area?! 😶 🙂

And could you post another with your world origin on, too, for clear co-ordinate reference?

[pseudo terrace]

yes, i paved it <_< lol

center origin, bottom left is that square area

[trim kestrel]

So, they only accumulate in that area? not any of the surrounding beach sand? And you AFKed in the collection chamber of the farm, yes?

[pseudo terrace]

yes, only in that area. surrounding area does have crabs but much less, yes afk in the collection area of the farm, green spot in the first pic

its your layout from the steam guide, without incorporating turrets or the new mobs yet

zoomed in the farm in the middle

i dont expect a solution or anything, just interesting situation...

[trim kestrel]

Yes. Thanks for sharing. 🙂 I think that's kinda interesting, that they've congregated about 100 tiles due south of your afk spot...

With my version of that mob farm, I frequently get one mob appearing from nowhere, just below it. As it happens. Much closer, though. Maybe I should start checking further out...

[pseudo terrace]

when you say just below it do you mean here

like below the 2nd door?

[trim kestrel]

Yeah.

[pseudo terrace]

i sometimes see a crab there but unknown if teleported in or just walked there

[trim kestrel]

Mine couldn't have walked there. Yours, looks like that'd be less unexpected. 😅

[pseudo terrace]

lmao, yeah i usually see crabs outside anyway but yeah its pretty much a recreation of your farm from the guide

mostly*

maybe this weekend ill dig up all the beach sand and replace with regular ground and see if RAM usage doesnt skyrocket

[trim kestrel]

Did you try farming caveling assassins in that setup, yet? And Lava Slimes Slimes/Butterflies?

[pseudo terrace]

no, original only

i made the 10 cells per your original proportions just before desert

after desert i cleared 12 cell radius in a square and put the ground in and thats it

before i cleared that radius, it was great 🙂 lol

[trim kestrel]

I'm curious to know if assassins will wreck the crabs... And pressumably the butterflies will just escape, at the moment. 😅

[pseudo terrace]

i think its possible, the assassins do a lot...

could get unlucky and have them eventually snowball beat the crabs

[trim kestrel]

If they were to accumulate on the kill loop, I'm pretty sure they'd very quickly slaughter the crabs... And they may need a faster/bigger spawned for them, just from the occasional attrition.

Or else, figure out a way to get lava butterflies on there, instead... 🤔 (I don't think that'll be possible, unless devs give some more control over them, like with fences, or something.)

[pseudo terrace]

but yeah... RAM usage is crazy now, like 25 GB after 8-10 hours

when i afk at the farm, my wood production stops near my origin as well

i know some people were kinda having that issue

[obtuse star]

cant you keep the butterflies in with crafting benches

[trim kestrel]

That would contain them. But then they'd be no use for a shooting gallery, as the shots will (I think) hit and break the benches.

If not block line of sight.

[pseudo terrace]

the crab wars have begun

[trim kestrel]

Oh, btw, if anyone would like to follow (or even give input to) development work on the Map Tool, feel free to pop into this thread (in modding) and say hello, or otherwise join it (so you'll be able to see and navigate to it in your side bar). https://discord.com/channels/851842678340845600/1044223052759707678

[trim kestrel]

Before you change anything, it might be worth zipping up your saves and such (i.e. ctrl+alt+b from main menu), in case the devs are interested in seeing this as a bug reproduction case. (And maybe send it in a report, if it's within the file size limit.) 🙂

[mint warren]

I've also had a farm similar to your guide for a while but with a longer kill loop and having added caveling assassins recently it seems the damage is not significant enough to kill the crabs

The daggers tend to go in different directions hitting separate crabs instead of targeting one

I believe the devs recently increased the health of crabs though so idk whether three daggers from one assassin would do enough damage anyway

[tame flax]

I have assassins in my farm and they do reck crabs indeed

[terse wharf]

How can i improve this farm im a new player i'd like to learn everything

[trim kestrel]

To optimise that layout for mob throughput, you'd want to stripe as many different spawn surface together as possible.

E.g in columns extending as far as possible, up and down. Repeating the pattern every 16 tiles horizontally.

But it depends what drops you want to farm, specifically? Fir mechanical parts and ancient gens, your top priority should be stone moss and urban moss.

But you can't mix (large amounts of) stone moss with surfaces that spawn non-cavelings, because when brutes attack other enemies, they will break all ground tiles.

[terse wharf]

i want purple slimes to make pots

[trim kestrel]

I'm getting mixed messages here! 😅

In what context is that, though? With assassins piled on a shooting gallery ring (instead of scholars) they will indeed utterly vaporise anything enemy.

[trim kestrel]

Ok. So, with poison slime ground tiles, there's no point having any more than 10 tiles of it in each 16x16 spawn cell.

Because you are capped at 1 slime spawn per cell, per spawn event (every ~20min, at staggered timings).

So you need to spread it far and/or wide, to maximise spawns. Looking at the "mob grid" in map tool can help you do this more precisely.

[terse wharf]

Map tool?

and other than that

how can i prevent them to breaking my auto arm and stuff

[trim kestrel]

https://maptool.ceschmitt.de/

[hexed crow]

@trim kestrel

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/977128133142659102/1043673162837143562/2846860078_preview_2022-09-19_Mob_Spawn_Chances_etc_0.4.5.png

according to this. may i ask how "min req tiles" work?

for example i place down 5 poison slime ground. how far i should place 6th ground to prevent spawn?

[trim kestrel]

You can't. Not when using spike traps. Automatic collection is the hard part. The reason why my optimises farm has a complex mob-vs-mob conveyor loops setup.

To keep things simple, I might, instead, just build a tiny npc room next to the loot collection area, so you can immediately sell anything unwanted to them without needing to move to pick more up.

[trim kestrel]

Anywhere outside of the 16x16 spawn cell the other 5 are in.

So, either look at map tool s mob grid, or place it 16 tiles away in any direction, to be safe.

Or just just block spawns on a per-tile basis, by placing caveling stone tiles underneath the slime.

[hexed crow]

thx ❤️

[terse wharf]

@trim kestrel can you help me and show me how by coming to my world?

[trim kestrel]

No, sorry. I might be able to link you some more (targeted) example pics, later. But I don't do house calls. Others might. 🙂

[terse wharf]

i'd like to learn more about it anything that can help appreciated

[trim kestrel]

The long-firm answer is here, with all info on spawning I know, pretty much (but it may be a bit overwhelming): https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2846860078

[nocturne lichen]

I would say your best choice from stopping any enemy attacking your stuff is probably putting a gap (shovel hole) then a wall to block ranged attacks... Doesn't stop enemies from breaking the thing if they spawn next to it though...

The only thing that I could think of getting through a simple defence like that is Gourm and Azeos. But then again, I haven't explored the desert so there might be some new enemy...

[nocturne lichen]

Managed to get the first video of the multiplier: https://youtu.be/SRondLwK57M

It's only a little bit messy...

[trim kestrel]

😮 Ooo! Are you the redditor who posted about building a computer in the game?: https://www.reddit.com/r/CoreKeeperGame/comments/z0wn7j/computer_progress_updates/

[nocturne lichen]

Yes... I still haven't changed my username...

And yes, I perhaps did modify your 6-bit counter to count down instead. (I'm just gonna ignore my junction chaos that's above it)

[trim kestrel]

Noice! So, first calculator I've seen in the game, so far! You've leap-frogged me. 🙂 👍

And straight away I'm seeing an innovation I'd not figured out before (not sure if it's always been possible)...

My 1-tick delay chains had a tile or wire between each gate, because they seemed to switch immediately, otherwise. But using the electricity sticks, instead of a full (high) power source, I guess makes this work. Which is going to be handy for a bunch of other builds, too. 👍

This is basically my binary counter, right? But with manual bit setting input on the levers. That is cleverly wired in using the new cross circuits to connect through, without shorting, to the electricity sticks.

[nocturne lichen]

Yeah, I believe that can actually be shortened to make the multiplier faster, but I just made it slow so a) my game didn't lag out and die and b) so what was going on could kind of be seen.

And yes that is your binary counter. Funny thing is, the electricity sticks can actually be used as a wire, and still have wires placed underneath them...