Core Keeper University

[gusty epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/hopes-and-dreams-barney-hopes-dreams-barney-stinson-gif-14726434

[sullen holly]

I've traded with Boss multiple times, do you know why he got banned?

[fading nebula]

@sullen holly ill dm you once im back homa

[sullen holly]

Ah, alright! Thanks!

[fallow hawk]

Was boss the "super legit trader, trust me bro" from the trade section of the server?

[gusty epoch]

No Totally Legitimate Dealer is still here

[gusty epoch]

Can see achievements already lol

[pulsar anvil]

@silk crescent @cobalt swan do you guys have item id for halloween update?

@trim kestrelbro do you have item id for halloween items?

[silk crescent]

You know you could set the time back if you need to farm?

[pulsar anvil]

nonono I got it all, I just need to know the item id xD

[pulsar anvil]

need to do some ||magic||

[silk crescent]

As for the item ids I currently don't know, I would imagine the wiki to have been updated but Zero should know.

[pulsar anvil]

alright, yeah im waiting for zero's reply hahaha the new halloween items are cool as hell man hahaha

[trim kestrel]

You can grab this by having them in your inventory and firing up D.Russ's inventory editor, then right clicking on the slot in the app: "Core Keeper's Workshop".

Will that do?

[pulsar anvil]

uhhh I was just hoping you know the id of the item itself xD

[trim kestrel]

Which halloween item..? (And I'd have to look it up myself, when I'm back at my PC later...)

[pulsar anvil]

oh all of them xD

priorities on consumables

[trim kestrel]

You want them to use with a mod to spawn them in...? You could ask for the appropriate asset file in the modding channel. Or the ids themselves, I guess. 🤷

[regal berry]

Feel free to just tell me when there's something that could use improvements :) Might not get around to it immediately, but will definitely change it as soon as I can

[trim kestrel]

Oh, don't worry. 😉😅 But I feel like your additions are very much in a good enough place to now focus on moving on and finishing up this first refactoring. 🙂

[regal berry]

Perfect. Will finish up the tile highlighting tomorrow and I'll officially release the new version on Thursday, once I added the new tiles

[regal berry]

@trim kestrel Tile highlighting is now also done

[trim kestrel]

Looking clean! And mostly working.

► Issue you may well know about:

• Boulder selection doesn't work (I know there's extra code there).

• Obsidian walls are extremely hard to see, when highlighted. Kind of an important one for maze hunters. So maybe give it an exceptionally vibrance boost? Not sure how boosting all (dim) types of selected tiles would look, overall - confusing maybe...

• Caveling mosses - I don't see anywhere. Should be in spawn tiles.

• Mould ground and beach sand should also be in spawn tiles, too, as duplicates I guess. Not sure it's worth having a separate "spawn grounds" section.

• Tile highlighting breaks the "show biomes" feature. Could you perhaps get this to calculate (in the background) upon map load? Then not recalculate until manually refreshed...

Hmm, but map refresh should recalculate this, in case enough new tiles are revealed to change it. And player may also have tiles selected... Good luck! 😅

[trim kestrel]

► Suggested additions that would be very handy:

• Enable/disable button at the top to turn off tile highlighting without losing your selections.

• Indication there are any buttons enabled in a sub-section when it is collapsed. E.g. "Toggle all" button is highlighted in some way, or there's a (colourful) mark next to it? Bonus points if you can disdinguish between some and all items being selected.

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► Stretch goals (long term, would be nice):

• Tile picker/query - tool to select a tile type in the map by clicking.

• Item icons for all selections (like you did for bosses).

► Other stuff:

• Did I throw some tooltip texts at you from the grid and biome buttons?

• FAQ - could you shorten "For a slightly more technical answer, check "What information do you have access to?" " to "Technical detail below." with a hyperlink to open that subu-section, maybe? (Less initial bloat is important.)

• Make section headers different colour text and/or in bubbles or something, maybe...?

[regal berry]

Will get around to it soon-ish. Boulders I probably won't fix, since it has the same color as the normal ores. So people just need to look for 2x2 ores...

[regal berry]

That's a "Won't fix" for me, at least for now. People can just enable the manual rotation and it'll pin it to where it is now

[regal berry]

Will definitely look into it

[trim kestrel]

I think the boulder locator was something I asked Craigin's for... Or, at least, I found it handy compared to trying to highlight ore in photoshop. And I included the function in the wikizet boulder guide.

Why did it break then? Not sure?

Did you mean you just won't fix it before publishing your first updated map tool release? to get it out there quicker?

[regal berry]

Exactly. No clue why it broke. I should've switched it out in a way where the old code should've worked. Will probably look at it again though

[regal berry]

Yes. It's more of a nice to have right now xD

Problem with the boulder thing is: it looks for 2x2, but that will also include all 2x2 things in walls, since the ores don't have different colors

[trim kestrel]

Yeah. That can derp. But it's rare that you'll get that configuration of ore anywhere, due to the wall blocks hiding ones behind them from mapping.

[regal berry]

Boulder code is working again

seems to have been an issue with the older transparency slider code

[trim kestrel]

Great work!👍

[regal berry]

and galaxite is now also included. Will get around to the other tiles later

[rich belfry]

Cedric you are awesome

Projectiles no longer damage doors...and we have auto turrets now. Mob farms are about to get an overhaul

[regal berry]

Thanks! :)

Will do a public release right now! So the real url will be the new version. Unless anyone has something against it? any bugs that are tool breakers?

[rich belfry]

nothing like a public release to beta test 😛

[regal berry]

True!

.. and done! Released to the broad public

[fallow hawk]

They changed the food sprite colors. Gross.

[fallow briar]

Hmm, something probably broke

What were these cooked with?

[fallow hawk]

golden food.

They just had way less... gold in the sprite before. Now it's so saturated it looks like dirt and mud.

[fallow briar]

It's possible that so.e of the color codes got messed up and cannot be correctly referenced by the cooking system. Can look at that tomorrow.

[primal rapids]

from changelog: ||Enemies taking damage from sources like Spike Traps will now be considered “in combat” and won’t heal for a short duration.||
||does this affect bosses 👀||

although that won't matter for my no-spikes pacifist run 😅

[hoary osprey]

Is turret count as pacifist?

[primal rapids]

depends on what rules you set for yourself 😄

Projectiles can no longer damage doors.
YES!

[hoary osprey]

Hope there is one day that railway can pass through doors

[primal rapids]

even just that change makes my ivy farm much much better

[gusty epoch]

Can you put rails on a pressure plate?

If so today is that day maybe

[fallow hawk]

You can use this instead of spikes.

[fallow hawk]

omg they added a way to tell when the level one furnace has stuff in it after it's done cooking ore.

[trim kestrel]

Check that (electric) doors are actually immune to mob projectiles (and player projectiles) up close.

This wasn't actually working a couple days ago.

Also, while the new traps are exciting and will totally let us kill all mobs efficiently, I'm not sure how viable it will actually be to kill high-end mobs on conveyors, for automated loot collection.

I had to line up a dozen Galaxite traps, just for blue slimes. And I'm not sure mob self heal will be suspended by these ranged attacks.

[rich belfry]

so much testing to do 🙂

[trim kestrel]

Also, have you guys noticed how mobs now flash green to show they've healed?

I think this is when back to full health, but I couldn't get clarification from the devs, precisely.

It seems to proc a fixed period after taking damage and then being out of range of player (if they were aggro'd).

I'd previously assumed mobs healed gradually, at a percent of total/missing health per second. But this makes me think otherwise.

[trim kestrel]

@tidal dock very much wanted this. And I've suggested it (elsewhere).

Check if there's a feedback thread for rail and conveyor through doors. And please make one if not. I'd vote for that. 🙂

[trim kestrel]

No, sadly. I imagine this being a little tricky with the object tile layering. Code wise and visually...

But the devs seem keen on adding rail automation stuff. So i imagine rail triggered plates will become a thing.

[gusty epoch]

Darn but also yea I get it

[plush flax]

Judging by how rails and minecarts are implemented, I doubt rail automation will come.

[trim kestrel]

The devs (Max) modified automation to work everywhere. They have the groundwork for Factorio style play. And have shown they're willing and able to shake stuff up.

The question is more whether it can be compelling gameplay, for enough players, I think... 🤔🙂

[plush flax]

Well, the way minecarts are implemented, they can’t possibly move without the player. They are literally cardbox deco around you. They would pretty much need to reimplement them completely for anything like that to work.

[trim kestrel]

Oh, sure. Absolutely.

[plush flax]

Also did anyone test go cart speed on clients vs host? Yesterday with my friend we found out that I for some reason is always faster than them.

[trim kestrel]

Lol! That's a little bit unfair, eh?! 😅

It seems like there's some general issues with server/client sync, at the moment. Maybe it will be resolved. But bug/feedback reports and all that. 🙂

[trim kestrel]

Looks like you've moved the ghorm spawn distance ring to his orbit ring. I'd have it set for his spawn scene spot, a bit further out.

[unborn summit]

Enemies taking damage from sources like Spike Traps will now be considered “in combat” and won’t heal for a short duration.

Does this mean i dont need purple slime+spike anymore

[obtuse star]

i guess so

[trim kestrel]

That's the implication, yeah.

If there's literally zero healing on the mobs, within a couple seconds of trap damage, then even hive spikes should kill any mob. Kinda OP if that's the case...

Do some testing and let us know. 😉

And look out for the green flash on mobs, after healing up.

[unborn summit]

yep its possible to kill lava slime at least lemme tried cavelings as well

[trim kestrel]

It's kinda boring, tbh... Trivial to kill any mob. Just really hard to automatically collect the loot.

[unborn summit]

tbh the real problem right now is probably those explosion bugs in desert lol

[trim kestrel]

Wait though. You only tested this on larva slimes...? Because slimes have always been this way, sorry.

[unborn summit]

im trying assasin right now waiting for its spawn xD

[trim kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-gif-23395435

[unborn summit]

I didnt catch it on camera but everything seems to be killed

under the spike is all 5 types of mosses

[lilac gale]

I can tell you I have killed everything from this update with the tried and true spikes and poison slime

Just tedious to collect like you said before

[winged cypress]

Still testing turrets

See how can it do in the automatic settings

But judge from its damage, it may be hard to deal with hard mobs

[trim kestrel]

So, it seems like there's no use for flame traps in mob farming. Or poison spike traps (which I've not seen yet - in a maze?).

So I guess these might be more relevant for boss fights/farms? Should be able to toast Glurch and Ghorm pretty effectively with enough of those, right?!

[unborn summit]

poison spike traps is in the maze ye
ye i dont see the point of other two types of spikes in mob farm xD

[winged cypress]

it's 5x5 explosion and it even went through walls...wow...

[trim kestrel]

Yeah. The devs are quite bold, putting in a regular mob that can break player placed tiles...

I'm reminded of the bomb throwing blood moon clowns in early Terraria, that were removed because plays weren't keen on being griefed...

Anyway. What's going on with your spawn surfaces, there? Did you find anything interesting with Scarab spawning?

Also, can scarabs be conveyed?

[unborn summit]

he were testing if it went through wall with stone moss
and use mold ground generating mold caveling to trigger its explosion

[winged cypress]

I'm just testing how can those scarabs do

in order to plan which type of mobfarm it can be suited

but it seems it will destroy everything when its life get halved

and that explosion not just past through walls, but also hoed the ground

and I'm not sure it will drop items or not if they just explode

[trim kestrel]

Oh right. I'd assumed that they would have to be kept isolated from enemies while farming them; interesting to get another problem mob, like Brutes. 🙂

I'm guessing that they may be unallied with any other mob...? Do they fight slimes, too?

[winged cypress]

since its trigger is their lifebar

so no matter what is the damage source

it has a enemy or not

it will just explode when its lifebar goes half

[unborn summit]

not even sure if scarabs are farmable at this point :kekw:

[winged cypress]

I'm still thinking of a way to go around it except just stun it to death

[trim kestrel]

Of course they will be. It's just a fun challenge! 🙂

[winged cypress]

it's a good challenge, yes

[trim kestrel]

Do they blow up fences..?

[winged cypress]

it will blow up everything

and stone walls

like creeper

even bridges

[unborn summit]

creeper in core keeper exists now 😱

[obtuse star]

core creeper

[winged cypress]

I've tested about each 10

from exploded scarab, 0, from non-exploded scarab, got some items

it seems you can't get anything from that explosion

[trim kestrel]

Fair enough. Pretty challenging, then. I guess that is part of why players aren't getting many drops from them, then? You gotta kill 'em quick. Right?

[winged cypress]

yes

you have to kill them before they explode

stone moss area can be killed by turrets

haven't test for hard mode

since it still not considered as a trap

mobs will regenerate their health

[trim kestrel]

Right. That's what I thought. When I did my testing, it looked like even slimes were regenerating their health while being hit by galaxite turrets.

[winged cypress]

it will be safer than using mold tentacles to deal with stone moss mobs

[trim kestrel]

Ok. So. To me, this suggests that the only ways to automatically kill Scarabs in a farm will be either AFK Phantom Spark or a big shooting gallery of scholars or assassins.

[winged cypress]

you have to have a tons of assassins to do that

but still have a chance to explode

that not stable enough for me... so I'm still thinking

if there's a better way to do it

[trim kestrel]

Enough scholars will obliterate anything. (Including your fps 😅 ).

[winged cypress]

in my hard world

they got eliminated by zombies

they didn't kill them fast enough, for they need 4 hit to kill it

[trim kestrel]

You didn't have enough scholars. 😜 Also, you could have better controlled the flow of enemy mobs, perhaps.

How do scarabs interract with large numbers of traps? If they move quickly over them, they will wreck themselves, maybe.

[winged cypress]

it's because too many jellyfishes causing bug that can somehow make mob pass those water gaps

and ruins everything

[trim kestrel]

I had a 2 tile gap between my shooting mobs and targets, too. But gotta be careful to stay inside of 100 tiles of the shooting area, to make sure the mobs stay rendered in and can fight each other.

[winged cypress]

you mean massive spike traps?

[trim kestrel]

A big area. They fly around, right? So they'll hit a lot of traps quickly...?

[winged cypress]

you have to damage them about 1,000 in a sec

that won't be easy

that's in normal difficulty

hard mode will be harder

[trim kestrel]

If it's done with mob vs mob, it makes no difference, because their damage is doubled too.

But yeah. I doubt traps will be viable for scarabs in hard mode, if it's even possible in normal mode.

Spikes will still work for all other mobs though. Which is kinda lame. Heh.

[winged cypress]

testing hard mode stone moss mobs

spike will kill everything, but turrets can't

waiting for mob to spawn

as I thought

it won't work in hard settings

smaller one died though

[trim kestrel]

You could poison the mobs on the way in. My farm does that for good measure.

[winged cypress]

you can only poison them from poison slime tile, poison spike, or zombies

[trim kestrel]

Yes.

[winged cypress]

spike will stop transporting, poison slime tiles will spawn poison slime

that will potentially let brute destroy everything

I used to use mold tentacle's stun to prevent them from healing

[trim kestrel]

It's workable. They push each other through the 1 tile gap, as more mobs come up behind. It lets me have an electric door there, too to turn off the flow of mobs (top right corner):

There's only a dropped item on that tile because I was messing about in their spawn area, testing things. Normally nothing fights or dies on the upstream side of it.

[winged cypress]

umm

[trim kestrel]

In the pre-release version of the update, turrets could actually fire through each other. So you could line up a lot more burst damage.

Do you think that would be a useful change to have back...? Issue is, you could stack up huge numbers of turrets for killing a boss.

[winged cypress]

maybe I'll build the mobfarm on normal difficulty this time, since I want a clean environment on stone moss area is primary object

[winged cypress]

it will be much helpful

and that will be the ideal way to deal with scarabs

just line 20 turret to a line

to kill it with one shot

that will solve the whole problem

[trim kestrel]

There's a limited activation range to the turrets, though, like 12 tiles or so. But yeah, you could have them fire from a could of different directions at the same time, probably.

[winged cypress]

lead them to a narrow kill zone, and aim 20 shot a a time

but for now, we can't

[plush flax]

In my opinion yes. They just deal way too little damage.

[hoary osprey]

Why scarab explosion is a problem? They won't blow anything up if you just use the magnet ring to collect things and keep the killspot empty

[trim kestrel]

They don't seem to drop items when they explode, apparently. So need to try and kill them fast.

But yeah, I think that will be part of the setup, making sure there's nothing important that could get blown up, something goes wrong and they don't get killed cleanly.

What about using a boss to kill them?

[tame flax]

You can say that again

[floral tendon]

is it possible for turret projectiles to hit other turrets

[long dagger]

seems like the projectiles go through other turrets, its just they dont fire if theres another turret between itself and a target

dunno if u can bait the shots using a mob while making sure they dont get hit

[floral tendon]

i did, managed to test it

they don't hit each other, but they will hit generators lol

[long dagger]

turrets may be the only solid structure that they can shoot through

[floral tendon]

so far, i think so

[long dagger]

would be surprising if theres others

[floral tendon]

wish they made lamps work that way 🙃

player projectiles pass thru lamps now, which was a neat undocumented update

but not enemy projectiles

[long dagger]

thats kinda neat

also

projectiles from stone turrets can pass through other stone turrets but can dmg the galaxite turrets

[floral tendon]

whoa

do those also only shoot one way?

haven't seen one yet, just patched today

[long dagger]

u can change the direction of them like regular turrets

and seems like the galaxite turret projectile doesnt pass through them

[floral tendon]

dang, sorta hoped they'd at least have some advantage over galaxite ones

[long dagger]

atleast it lets us test turrets on ourselfs without using mobs

[floral tendon]

oh that's true

[long dagger]

found out u can bait shots by running up and down infront of it while being a whole tile away from its path

ill get a clip to show what i mean

[floral tendon]

i get what ya mean

[long dagger]

u actually gotta stay further down if ur not centered on its path for it to shoot

[floral tendon]

it's probably to lead its shots

ranged mobs are already coded to lead their shots so it stands to reason that turrets would do the same, just with timing instead of angle

else all shots would just miss by walking past them lol

[long dagger]

didnt expect them to do that for turrets since the stone turrets r in a maze

the turret above thats offscreen still targets me from here, bottom one doesnt shoot while a tile to the side since im too close

cant get a good angle to get both to shoot while one is behind another when im the only target

[floral tendon]

ya it's definitely adjusting its shot timing based on your distance

you can fool slime tentacles in a similar way

if you walk across it but stop right as it's about to throw its projectile, it'll just throw way in front of you and miss completely

[long dagger]

i was standing still for those, find out u didnt have to keep moving after the first test

[floral tendon]

seems like it's a different method of leading

probably purely based on distance since the turrets don't aim

[long dagger]

or purely tiled based, u dont have to be on the edge for it to shoot

im guessing its something like 1 wide 5 long then expands to 3 wide, dunno how far its range is

[long dagger]

i think it prefires if ur about to enter its range that i listed above, the above range is just an example of how i think it works, if u enter its actual range then u dont have to move for it to continue shooting

[floral tendon]

mm

reasonable

[long dagger]

roughly 7.5 tiles long till it reaches out of the 1 tile wide range but it wont shoot if ur on the 2nd half of the tile. at 8.5 tiles long itll shoot if ur centered on the tile away from it. it targets up to 9.5 tiles away

thats about the closest u can get to get both to shoot if ur centered

only other test i can think of while only using the player is to c how far the projectile flies before despawning, may be possible to get a quick boss kill with a long set up

it cant keep up with the projectile

it flies about this far before despawning

exactly 150 tiles

[long dagger]

could try baiting the galaxite turrets like this using mobs, 6 tile gap between, make a lil capsule and repeat the build up to 150 tiles. dunno if they still work from that far and dunno if they can glitch through when unloaded

mob needs to be slightly exposed

for it to shoot

its targeting is basically cone shaped

easy to stack with slimes

[trim kestrel]

Ooh, that looks promising... You could have a very long line of turrets all baited with slimes pushed up to the sides. Provided they never get aggro'd to jump about and break them. 🙂

[trim kestrel]

Levers are now the power source of choice. 😉

Also, fun fact: in the pre-release version, turrets would try to shoot fireflies, but the projectiles couldn't hit them. Confused the heck outta me for a while... 😅

[floral tendon]

unfortunately levers suck atm

if you toggle a lever it'll cause nearby self-powered levers to flicker

seems to depend on cells or something similar

doing it the old way by running a generator thru the lever doesn't flicker

[long dagger]

more compact but less consistent, shots could get delayed for up to a sec cause of the mob moving a bit

[floral tendon]

if i've understood chunk spawning correctly, assuming i wanted a solid block of a single type of spawn tile (say, for aesthetic reasons), i should try to put it on a corner of 4 spawn chunks if i want to maximize efficiency of that block right?

[winged cypress]

sad, switch on and off can't reset the cooldown

[trim kestrel]

Right. Max didn't fully swat that one yet...

Probably not too much of an issue for just powering turrets, though?

[trim kestrel]

Oh, heh. Captive blobs. 😍 The turrets are targeting the slimes in front, right?

[trim kestrel]

Yup.

[long dagger]

The 4 from that ss aren't firing but the 4 above in the same positioning and spacing r

Those 2 were the only slimes too

Tentacles may be the best for a build like that since they don't move

I won't get to test it out atm but u could prob replace the bottom belt with just a void. Walls failed by blocking turret vision and letting the slime loose, void will help with the first but dunno about the 2nd

[winged cypress]

umm? do fire butterfly spawn on lava? or it's like acid larva, which is limited?

I've been working on my project in lava cave and didn't seen one from spawning

sometimes strangely normal caveling spawns though

[floral tendon]

i've seen some normal cavelings (miners) running around in the desert... wondered if it was a bug lol

[trim kestrel]

Yeah, known bug.

[winged cypress]

even I'm just in scene like this, still no butterflies

[trim kestrel]

I don't know. Don't know what the spawn conditions for them are. Some mobs have much higher chance to spawn up against walls.

I assume that area is actually inside of the desert biome arc? According to the map readout?

[primal rapids]

I think mobs healed in big chunks, at least bosses did when I was building automation for ivy. To be able to beat the healing, I think you had to take a big chunk (over half? not sure) of its health in one go, or it would just fully heal between hits.

[winged cypress]

yes, it's in far end of desert area

[fallow hawk]

Guess they just can't stop teleporting into walls.

I even made a chasm so this wouldn't happen.

At the very least they aren't spawning out of bounds towards anything they can break. So that's good.

[trim kestrel]

Does ground acid slime stop mobs self healing? (That would be very OP.)

[primal rapids]

what's the benefit over spikes?

ooh, new video from melody

[trim kestrel]

If acid damage were to prevent regen (which I doubt) it would be a very easy (but very slow) way to kill mobs on conveyors. If the damage still passes through.

Also cheaper than spikes, in principle, as Hive Mother gives it away for free (but actually, farming iron's probably less effort).

[primal rapids]

I think the damage didn't use to pass through at least, not sure if it has changed

[trim kestrel]

It did. For mobs, not for players.

[floral tendon]

fwiw

i have managed to kill brutes with only acid

truthfully i don't know how though

[long dagger]

Top belt = empty with mob surrounded by void, still works but inconsistent with a slime (maybe stick 2 slimes in), could maybe lower it by 1 tile but the lever will need to move. Just wondering if the hitbox from brutes or such will work much better but main issue is they destroy structures.

[winged cypress]

strange

after 1 night, there even no any bomb scarab spawn in sand

ok, there it is... but failed

they can kill some, but when they failed, boom

[floral tendon]

😂

farming bomb scarabs doesn't seem feasible at all

especially with the way the game works rn, even if you can kill it fast enough normally it won't guarantee that the game won't mess it up as you move around

i just feel lucky i dropped two scarab figs in the first few minutes walking around the desert

[rich belfry]

the lava spawns those lava birds, even if you're fishing in the only available tile. so that sucks. cant afk fish in lava

creative way for the devs to nerf the fishing app 😛

[winged cypress]

umm?

I didn't seen any lava butterflies around

and I'm building it in molten area

and after a whole day, didn't seen one

[rich belfry]

I was fishing in a room with 1 magma tile available. and got killed by a bird

[winged cypress]

if there's a way to spawn that, I want to know, that's crucial for mobfarm

actually kinda depressed at this point, lava butterflies don't spawn, bomb scarab still didn't find a good way to harvest

[rich belfry]

I made this little fishing room just north of Igneous. Same molten zone Igneous spawns in.

[winged cypress]

and bomb scarab's spawn rate is incredibly low

[rich belfry]

died here to a lava butterfly spawn

[rich belfry]

took about 3 hours for one to spawn and kill me

[winged cypress]

strange, with this large scale structure, still didn't see anything

[rich belfry]

got a core iris though, so I dont mind getting killed

[winged cypress]

it seems still need other requirement

[winged cypress]

what?

it can just fly through walls?

[gusty epoch]

Must take after fireflies

[lilac gale]

It's pretty buggy.

[fallow hawk]

So I made a simple slime farm. Came back hours later to check and I only got about 8 slimes. Stranger still is that the ones who were spawned into the room were jumping up and down in one place. Very odd.

[fallow hawk]

I see what you did there.

[unborn summit]

Fun fact: water and lava create magma floor

[winged cypress]

failed, again

[trim kestrel]

Is this an actual thing in CK now?! 😀 Like in Terraria, mixing water & lava for obsidian blocks.

Could make an AFK ground tile farm.

[unborn summit]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/999518240898289674/1041058697071312926/1668278116249.gif

credit by @winged cypress

[winged cypress]

I want to burn all of the jellyfish by lava

but sadly, can't

[unborn summit]

you got jellyfishphobic

[trim kestrel]

You won't be able to get a big enough concentration of shooter mobs, like that. You want to spawn them in elsewhere to concentrate 30+ tightly packed together.

With walls placed to block sight lines for a sharp cut-off on when they all start firing. And fences to stop the scarabs flying over the gap.

I assume they can fly over lava? I've watched them fly over water.

[winged cypress]

have to think of other design

[trim kestrel]

Of course they shouldn't fly through walls. That's a bug for the devs. @waxen lynx

Maybe fences are actually more reliable than walls..?

[unborn summit]

unfortunately it eats the lava tile instead of generate the ground on the empty spot so i dont think its afkable

[trim kestrel]

You mean that it always progresses upstream, back up the lava 'flow'? However you shape the meeting point?

[winged cypress]

I actually hope now is the timer before explosion at least need to be 3 seconds...

[trim kestrel]

So, I'm trying to figure out which spawn system(s) these 2 new mobs use...

Looking at this, the old system (described in my guide) could potentially spawn a mob randomly in that single tile of lava, even if it had the standard minimum spawn tile limit of 6, within a spawn cell. Because you have all those other lava tiles just over the wall.

So, you might be safe to adk fish lava if you have no other lava tiles within 16 tiles of you one. Or, being outside of the desert biome might block that, too.

However. If it was using only the old system, I'd expect many, many lava butterflies to have spawned on the other side of the wall...

Did you get any at all? If not, then there is an added condition: the mob must be able to reach the player's current position.

This could be added to the old spawn system, like the raiding party mechanic, or it could be part of a totally new system, like the Omoroth tentacles and group spawn Scarabs.

[winged cypress]

still not spawning anything

[trim kestrel]

I don't know what the spawn rate is for these slimes...

I'm kinda waiting to see if @steep pagoda will kindly parse the relevant asset file for us to see more easily. To help with these other questions, too.

... It could be a lot lower than other slimes. And their drop rate is 50% nothing. But I'd still expect to see at least, say, 8 drops per hour, in a farm this size. Depending a lot on where it is with regard to the spawn cells, too.

[trim kestrel]

If you mean the lava butterflies, I suggest trying:

1. Leaving an open route for them to get to you (defended by traps if afk, I guess).

2. standing player on a small circle of conveyor, so game might think you're walking about... (Very speculative.)

3. Killing other mobs continuously. This is part of the old revenge/raiding system, I think.

[winged cypress]

I actually spent about 20 hours building this, and which contents many lava tiles since I'm digging everything out, but no fire butterfly spawning

still don't understand the requirement, or it just simply acid larva

[low plume]

Has anyone found a good way to use the cross circuit for machines?

[hoary osprey]

If the spawn mechanism is same as the tentacle, shouldn't you just spam lava rock ground with 2x2 lava pool?

[winged cypress]

mix with them? I'll try

[hoary osprey]

Sorry no need to 2x2 but 2xN

[winged cypress]

2xn?

[hoary osprey]

Just any rectangle with width = 2 or height = 2

[low plume]

Has anyone found a good use for the cross circuits?

[obtuse star]

its really good

im surprised nobody has talked about it

[winged cypress]

ok, I'll try it

I'm still using circuits the old way

[obtuse star]

they are OP

especially good for shrinking the size of a circuit

sadly cant be placed under walls though

also incase you dont know, you can interact with them to change the direction

[winged cypress]

do you mean like this?

2x2 squares of lava

I'll wait here for a bit to see if it can spawn

[trim kestrel]

Even if lava butterflies have higher spawn rate adjacent to ground tiles, like sea tentacles, I'd still expect them to have seen some spawn.

I don't think that's it, unless it's different, and only spawns adjacent to ground tiles. And they have bridges everywhere around the edges, blocking that.

[winged cypress]

it's bridge though

[trim kestrel]

I anticipate using them for a couple of complex digital logic designs. But it'll likely be a while before I get around to such things.

Aside from that, I don't know of any killer applications for it, in anything relevant to campaign... 🤔

[trim kestrel]

You and change to direction of the cross circuits...? What does this do?

[obtuse star]

changes where the entry/exits are

[trim kestrel]

Huh? I don't get how that could be functional any different. I'll have to take another look...

I'm more surprised not to have seen anyone playing with the pressure plates.

I started making a little gif, yesterday, to demonstrate how easy it now is to make a mob proof automatic door. But I ran out of energy. 😮‍💨

[obtuse star]

each of those generators will only effect each of those lights respectively

[fallow hawk]

For whatever reason the spawner seems to be working now. The rate still seems a bit lower than normal, but they aren't jumping up and down in one spot anymore.

[winged cypress]

umm, still didn't seen any

[trim kestrel]

Oh wow! I could swear it didn't have those diagonal orientations in the pre-release version of the update... Nifty for making more compact designs! 😀

[obtuse star]

im pretty sure it did, you have to interact with it to change the direction

[trim kestrel]

Sure. I thought I'd tried that. I must have failed somehow.

[winged cypress]

it seems fly butterfly is no spawned in that setup, but still thanks 😄

[hoary osprey]

do not use the bridge, use the Lava Rock Ground instead.

[winged cypress]

this is coal ground, isn't it?

[hoary osprey]

Lava Rock Ground

[winged cypress]

yes, I'm using that

[hoary osprey]

And there is still no spawn?

[winged cypress]

no spawn for 30 mins

and while I'm building this, I've even seen one

[trim kestrel]

Try killing mobs.

[winged cypress]

already did many times

cavelings, slimes, zombies

[rich belfry]

I didn't notice any other spawns. When I returned for my loot there was only the one bird inside the walls

[trim kestrel]

Right. So, it presumably needs a path to the player, to spawn.

[winged cypress]

I'm walking around places like this about hours

and built in molten area

don't know why I can't trigger that spawn

[trim kestrel]

I don't know. There's some other criterion too, presumably. (Or a bug.)

Dakon was also stood on lava ground, when AFK fishing, could that be part of it?

[winged cypress]

it will be good if I can manage to get fire butterfly in my mobfarm

[trim kestrel]

I just had a look and a bit of a fiddle, but can't actually find any way that the new cross circuits can help my binary counter actually be more compact... 🤔 🤷

[trim kestrel]

Yeah, I'd like this too. It would make visual sense to put circuit objects under blocks.

Maybe it would take a little bit of code work for the devs to have two such objects in the same tile.

[obtuse star]

i think you can place them under wires though which is a bit strange

[trim kestrel]

I can't put cross circuits on a wire tile or vice versa...

But you can put electricity sticks on wires. Which can have weird effects, occasionally.

What would help my design more is if the electricity sticks didn't conduct electricity, too.

Can't see any benefit of that and it's clumsy for accidentally connecting separate circuits.

[obtuse star]

could you just use a generator there

or does it need to be a low power signal

[trim kestrel]

Yeah, needs to be the sticks.

They have a unique effect on logic gates. Creating a 1 tick pulse (on the rising edge of a power signal input) when there's a stick on 2 gate inputs.

[trim kestrel]

Spawn chance asset file digging:

► The following new mobs have the same chance per tile and minimum number of tiles needed as basic orange slimes, caveling miners, etc: 30% chance per tile with a minimum of 6 tiles in a cell for any to spawn. So any more that 10 tiles of lava slime is a waste:

• Lava Slime (on lava ground slime).

• Caveling Assassins (on Valley Moss).

• Caveling Spearman & Skirmisher (Clay Moss). You should always get both with 8 or so spawn tiles and each has 22.5% chance for larva meat. Much easier and faster than farming Larva for it, ironically.

.
► Bomb Scarab - can spawn on ground tiles in the desert biome (I think must be desert sand, but value is coded awkwardly).

However, their spawn chance is only 0.05% per tile. (1/10 the rate for crabs. 5x more than sea tentacles in open water.)

That puts them at only ~12% chance per full 16x16 cell of desert sand, per spawn event (15-22 minutes).

You can have up to 2 spawn per event (most mobs capped to 1). But this has an almost negligible benefit to spawn chance.

They also have the value set to say that they can't spawn in a blocked area (unlike the other mobs, above). I think this may mean they need a path to a player...? Or a big open space...? Not sure.

.
► Lava Butterfly - do not not appear in this asset. So it seems they aren't spawned in the traditional way at all (with tiles and spawn events).

This means we need to dig into new asset files and/or experiment to figure out how the new system works.

[crisp goblet]

So, quick math in my head.. and could be totally off as I'm quite tired.. but looks like about 1 bomb scarab per hour and a half per full spawn cell of desert sand (and whatever other requirement, eg access to player[?])

[lilac gale]

I wonder if the lava butterflies are somehow tied to player movement as a requirement for their spawning similarly to how the Chaos Elementals are. I've noticed that if I sit and fish for a few hours in the magma biomes that when I stop and kill the stuff that spawned around me I only have maybe one or two, but if I'm exploring it actively looking around I get a lot more.

[trim kestrel]

You'd have about 50% odds of getting 1 (or more) scarabs spawn in 1 full cell of desert sand, after 5 spawn events. (Or with 5 cells over 1 event period of 15-22 minutes.)

So something like half the rate you suggest, I think...

[lilac gale]

May just be my luck, but it's been a few times now since the update I've noticed this.

[crisp goblet]

My math assumes the chance for 2 is 50%

[trim kestrel]

Chance for 2 what...? Where, when, huh?

The cap of up to 2 spawns per event doesn't double the odds.

[crisp goblet]

No, but what is the chance of 2?

[trim kestrel]

It just means that in the event that one spawns, the algorithm doesn't stop there. It keeps rolling the rest of the tiles it's not looked at yet, until it hits 256 or another spawns.

But there's only 12% chance 1 spawns at all. So this contingency comes into play so rarely it doesn't really matter. Maybe it ups the average odds to ~13% (I don't have the equation, off the top of my head.)

[crisp goblet]

Ah, I assumed there was a chance in a single check that it could spawn 2, but youre saying that second one relies on another successful event based on remaining tiles?

[trim kestrel]

Yeah.

[crisp goblet]

Right, so.. negligible indeed

[trim kestrel]

That's how mold infected seem to work. With up to 4. And mushrooms, with up to 2.

[crisp goblet]

Ok, so the average about 1 every 3-4 hours? (per full sand chunk etc)

[trim kestrel]

Something like that. Yeah. So, very damn low. From the old spawn system, anyway.

Pretty hopeless to build out collection conveyors based on this mechanism only.

So we really want to figure out how and why mobs are spawned with the new system.

.
Incidentally, the chances for a Bomb Scarab spawn in a cell of a newly generated map chunk is 4 times higher than during a regular spawn event.

So traveling the desert is, of course, a massively faster method to spawn them in. As you can force this initial events far, far quicker than every ~20 minutes, of course.

But moving around previously generated world tiles doesn't count, of course.

[crisp goblet]

I haven't been keeping up much, does this "new system" you speak of affect old mob spawning as well?

[trim kestrel]

Is that exploring new areas, generated fresh...? As I say above.

But yeah. Sitting still, afk, didn't used to trigger the vengeance system, in my experience. Needed to kill something first. or e.g. enter malugaz arena for first time.

[lilac gale]

New and old both seemed to work for me

I would farm Igneous, kill butterflies for figurine and repeat.

Worked somewhat well

[trim kestrel]

The old mobs seem to still have their same old spawn rates as before.

I don't know all the instances where the new system might come into play with them.

But I know it creates Omoroth tentacles in the sea, groups of Scarabs burrowing out of the sad together and presumably lava butterflies (as they can't appear the old way).

[lilac gale]

The revenge system probably plays a part in why I only see a couple if I sit and fish. Also explains why I never see any spawn nearby me or wander onto screen.

[trim kestrel]

Ok. So, maybe moving is necessary, too... But not sufficient (alone): #977128133142659102 message

So maybe it's more having killed stuff yourself (or both)... 🤷

I don't know if standing on a conveyor will count as player movement... And trap kills, either... Maybe mouse held down afk kills on conveyor is an idea... 🤷

[lilac gale]

They're definitely one of the more confusing mobs this update to figure out.

[crisp goblet]

I'm trying to use the map tool.. but it cuts off at ~1500 tiles.. what might I be doing wrong?

[hexed crow]

explore more in your world

[crisp goblet]

Yeah it updated, guess I wasn't quite close enough.. was nearly at the edge of what was visible

[hoary osprey]

The lava will generate / turn to Lava Rock Ground when touching water, maybe the generation of Fire butterfly is also located at there too. Also have you seen any thing contributed to the criiter generation?

[trim kestrel]

I've not searched through for critter spawning yet. I may do later.

[burnt sand]

So I havent played since the ocean update, not sure if its because its an old world or what, but im assuming spawn rates have changed or something? cause all my farms are dead

I think theyre like 20x11 (LxW)

[trim kestrel]

They should work the same... You got any screenshots, including map too, or description of context and specifics?

[burnt sand]

[Moss type] covered by conveyors lit up by 2 sections of glowing floor tiles set up within the spawn area biome range encased by stone brick wall

[hoary osprey]

maybe you should try to dig up all the moss and conveyors and place down again

[burnt sand]

Might update when I do that, I'll redo all my farms with the new update anyway I guess

[trim kestrel]

Lit Floor tiles (if that's what you mean) will block all spawns on the moss tiles they're on.

The stone ground and wilderness grass (very low rate) spawning was removed (come to think of it).

[burnt sand]

Been to long to know what I've built them on, so I suppose I'll just redo everything

[trim kestrel]

I mean, it the ground is glowing, then there's lit floor there... Shouldn't take too much to investigate.

[burnt sand]

What about mold ground

[trim kestrel]

That's blocked by lit floor, if that's what you're asking.

As far as I know, that's already been the case, though...

For that and the mosses.

[burnt sand]

Does mold ground spawns still work alone as well?

[trim kestrel]

Alone?

[foggy rivet]

Okay so I just read the jist of the lava butterfly here but not really sure what's the confirm information of how its spawn. One had auto fishing for magma for a while and he died to a lava butterfly. But another person did auto fishing and was fine after one night. And then there's the bug of flying mobs going through walls. So does that mean the spawn time is very long for lava butterfly in magma or is it a one-time thing in a biome like with acid larva in the hive biome for example. Not really sure to be honest.

[rich belfry]

I dont think we've fully figured it out yet. plus it might be buggy so it could change with an update

[long dagger]

looking good, just annoying to set up and stack them

consistent shots compared to using slimes, just some trouble getting them in and not having the turrets destroyed

[burnt sand]

anyone trial and error the turret LoS range yet

[long dagger]

ye i tested it, mentioned a while back

something like 10 tile range, cone shaped targeting, projectile expires at 150 tiles.

for the cone shaped targeting, u can bait shots while being a tile away from its path while 7-8+ tiles in front of it

[burnt sand]

ok, thanks @long dagger , all thats left to do now is make a rotating mob belt to bait shots to farm kills

[long dagger]

u dont rly need a rotating belt, think my set up will work great, prob replace golems with brutes

u can tile it, also other turrets and walls block turret vision

[winged cypress]

satisfied with this setting

[burnt sand]

was gonna say thats a pretty inefficient design materials wise, but then you posted the below

[winged cypress]

because when you're in hardmode

[long dagger]

prob a perfect setup of lining them up, just need to test it out on a mob farm

wasnt too bad to use golems, just gotta wall off the sides, get out of range for them to be inactive, run in to place/adjust turrets and such then run out before they attack since theres a delay on it after theyve deactivated

[long dagger]

they can maybe still shoot if ur 150 tiles away, the shots disappear at that point too, can have a turret at every 5 tiles so u can get up to 30 per lane firing like that, u can maybe get it to work for every 4 tiles for more shots in a single lane using something as simple as slimes.

[winged cypress]

nice thought

the why every 5 tiles? can't stack up together?

[long dagger]

turrets block the vision of other turrets and the their visible range is cone shaped so it has to be at least a few tiles down before a mob can bait its shot without getting hit

u can build 1 row of it like this and mirror it on top to have the turrets side by side if someone doesnt want the gap from the projectiles

the gap isnt an issue with something like this if used for a mob farm

[long dagger]

if mirrored, u could use the belt to cage slimes which is less time consuming than trying to build with golems

[winged cypress]

Still thinking a way to land 10 hit on bomb scarab

[long dagger]

u can stack 30 in a line, timing shouldnt be too big of an issue unless if theyre not affected by belts then thats a bit of a prob

30 turrets

[long dagger]

cant mirror with slimes that well, slimes in general suck along with other small mobs, seems like they arent affected by the belt if it leads into a void

turrets still shoot but not as often when compact

[burnt sand]

how to kill big worm

[winged cypress]

thanks with that turret technique 😄

[trim kestrel]

You could also synchronise the firing pattern by e.g. running down a line of pressure plates, with a power-on latch for each (pair) of turrets. To stack their projectiles together. And hope their timing stays in perfect lock-step.

Good job narrowing it down to 5 tile gap.

I'm curious if we can go narrower, by e.g. pushing slimes up against the side of the cell with conveyors. Single row of turrets.

[trail badger]

hmm.. guess i should go retrace my steps a minute huh? 😄

[gusty epoch]

??? Almost found it? Lol

[trail badger]

i wasnt even looking for it

i was alt tabbing to discord and saw a few lines pop up

[gusty epoch]

Neato

[trail badger]

my time in the desert has been minimal.. was mostly looking for a boulder.

[gusty epoch]

I haven’t even booted up for quite a while now. Pretty much this whole month

[unborn summit]

I didn't even know it shows there when it spawns

[gusty epoch]

It’s pretty laggy even in the main menu on my laptop lmao

[trail badger]

i booted up at the update, made a fresh character to experience the pain of revamped clay caves and learn the new stuff

[gusty epoch]

It also tells you coords to some bosses when you first load in

[unborn summit]

Sadly i dont have two screens i cant pay attention to that lol

[gusty epoch]

Or it did prior to this update, since I can’t play it I can’t say it still does

[trail badger]

it still does give exact coords for spawns, i just try to avoid that

[weary pond]

Did electrical change? I can’t get my saws to work with the generator

[hexed crow]

do mobs still destroy drills?

[trim kestrel]

Big larva and caveling miners will spontaneously attack player items, like drills, yes. And slimes whil break them with their jump attack if aggro'd.

[trim kestrel]

What's the setup?

Levers have been changed to create power, now, as well as switch it.

[hexed crow]

how about assassins?

[trim kestrel]

I don't know. I wouldn't particularly expect so.

Why? For an automated collecting mob farm?

[hexed crow]

for an "unbreakable" collecting mob farm to be exact (which work when im 200+ blocks away)

[trim kestrel]

The physics colliders on the drills (as far as I know) unload at around 100 tiles, along with the mob's full simulation. Like spike traps and mob-vs-mob stops working at this range.

Typically, with NPC tests, they'd get pulled through the drill, like it was a conveyor.

[hexed crow]

so i tried collect mobs/items at the end of the conv belt
and skip a block(void) in front of the robot arm but mobs still glitching out. or dmg is not enough to kill high HP mobs but if i place a trap i cant collect items

feels like the only way is placing down poison slime ground and make a sorting system

[burnt sand]

easiest thing you can do to avoid that is using magnetic rings

[long dagger]

Using large hitbox enemies has no issue with turrets firing all the time if placed right, it's just small mobs not affected by the belt when being pushed into a void so they end up getting out of range for a moment and preventing the turrent from shooting for that time. I think slimes were working fine when push against turrets, I got rid of them since I first did it with the void on the previous test and moved onto golems again

Slimes can still maybe work without the belt/void issue if turrets r spread out a bit more

Less efficient but much easier to make

Did anyone mention if those desert bugs r affected by belts or not? I haven't tested it myself nor seen anyone talk about it

[trim kestrel]

The scarabs, I don't know. I'd assume they shouldn't be, since they fly. But who knows, in practice...

The abysmally slow spawn rate makes conveyor collection an unattractive prospect. Unless a faster spawn method can be triggered.

[long dagger]

wtf

golems spawn scholars now?

a golem spawned out of thin air as well in that tile

i doubt thats normal

[hoary osprey]

If you put additional turret in the 7/8/9/10 column, will it stop the turret at 6th column to fire?

[hoary osprey]

I can only make the pulse generater more compact to a single 1x3 row with disabling all other function of the circuit.
And My product only takes 1x3 to start, 4x3 for each bit (since you do not need a light signal in middle) and 1x3 to emit the result.
Image

[long dagger]

its easily stackable up to 150 blocks, u can go further but projectiles will decay and they dont fire when a player is further than about 150 tiles away. as for expanding it, lets just cut the segment into 3 from my build, right one is for the front end left exactly as is (u could add 2 turrets up front thatll only fire from other mobs) then left side is left alone for the end of the build while the middle is whats repeatable.

[long dagger]

same for this build, was just showing how to make it with the turrets being 1 tile closer to each other

[hoary osprey]

I mean it is strange as the 2nd turret (on 6th column) is not blocking the 1st turret to detect the golem on 9th row while the 1 st turret cannot detect the golem on the 7th column.
Therefore I want to know if the golem is at the side column, will the turret detection be blocked by another turret just beside it (on 2nd column for 1st turret or on 7th column for 2nd turret)

If it will not block the detection, the set up can be overlapping and make the setup more compact with the same number of turret

Or may be I will test myself when I have time, as I am still rebuilding my base now...

[long dagger]

turrets have a cone shaped targeting, the target needs to be atleast 7-8+ tiles away while being a whole tile down to avoid the projectile

having a wall in its firing range wont affect it from shooting a mob thats to the side if the wall is far enough like the turrets shown in the build

look at my amazing drawing for an example, the white lines is its targeting range and the orange circle is the little gap it sees through to shoot

[hoary osprey]

So it is really calculating the eye sight of the turret tile by tile

Thank you for your explanation

[long dagger]

Fyi u can still bait the shots (stone turret from maze but regular mobs can pull it off too if they position themselves correctly) while being closer than 7 tiles but you'd barely be avoiding the projectile while partially on the tile that the projectile flies through.

[agile abyss]

@trim kestrel thinking if there's any way to detect when the turret shoots/when an item has taken damage(aka when the dart hits a wall)

[pale merlin]

any advice on making a mob farm?

[long dagger]

have it destroy a generator powering a logic circuit but its a one time thing

perhaps have multiple lined up with something like this

going right, replicating the right build

idk what youd use something like that for

[agile abyss]

yeah but sadly it's just temporary, it'd be cool with a reusable system

the only thing I can think of is spawning an enemy and putting it in a room, then have it stand on a pressure plate. Whenever the mob gets killed it stops pressing, opens the door to let another mob in, then when the second mob enters it closes the door etc

I should build that

[long dagger]

that sounds a lot better

[obtuse star]

it would be funny if the projectile hits a lever, toggling it

[hoary osprey]

But what are you using it for?

[agile abyss]

detecting whenever a player walks by without having to use pressure plates

things like opening a door just by a person walking close to it

exploding bombs whenever the player walks by, even if they think it's safe as there are no pressure plates

[long dagger]

traps triggered when a player is nearby without them knowing basically

u could use pressure plates for the player but force them to walk into it in a tight space while hiding it with a tall structure

[hoary osprey]

Try to use brute with pressure plate? They can find player nearby even with wall in between.

[agile abyss]

huh but wouldn't they trigger the pressure plate randomly over time? or maybe even destroy walls? Also aren't enemies keen to teleporting through walls?

[hoary osprey]

Can pressure plate placed under conveyor belt?

[agile abyss]

yeah that definitely works, but being able to detect players in open spaces would also have uses

[hoary osprey]

Teleporting can be prevented by having gap between wall and land

I will first check if pressure plate can be placed under anything tomorrow then tell you if there are solution to this

[agile abyss]

oh right, enemies can't even trigger pressure plates

how did I forget

that is something we're planning to add in a future update though

[obtuse star]

we need like a laser tripwire or something

that has like an emitter and a reciever

and you can use mirrors to beam it around

[agile abyss]

that is an interesting idea!

[long dagger]

use that to let a mob through like a pile of slimes through a door opened from the pressure plate and have it trigger something else after theyve finished being pushed down some belts

delayed activation from the hidden pressure plate

[winged cypress]

speaking of scarabs, my mobfarm is being bombed all the time

they seems come from everywhere

even of space with completely no sand

and one I was so panicked and forget to screenshot

because it's the core area

[winged cypress]

pressure plate seems not actived by mobs

and pressure plates, and cross circuit can't put conveyers on it

[weary pond]

Does electrical not stack with floor tiles anymore? Having trouble setting up auto transfer

[winged cypress]

Only cross circuit can't

I assume it's because i can be interacted

Oh pressure plate can't neither

[knotty dragon]

Started building mob grid based farm

Caveling brute can see through 2 block or 1 ?

[trim kestrel]

They will hit through a 1 wide wall or gap, but two tiles is safe.

And you can group all 5 caveling moss types together, without any in-foghting, don't forget.

[knotty dragon]

One module of cavelings

[knotty dragon]

yep

its working

[trim kestrel]

It would be nice to be able to build modular farms that auto-collect loot...

But I don't think that will work. One turret won't kill any Caveling because it doesn't stop then self healing....

Wait that works?!

[knotty dragon]

two turret

caveling brute is problem

he destroyed thinks because he saw slimes

but

with this new module

spawn-prooved slime with rug

on main convayor

[trim kestrel]

Ok. I think that setup will have other problems, though...

The miners should occasionally destroy the turrets, if they can reach them.

And the conveyors may pile mobs up through the turrets when you yo outside of object/mob loading range.

[knotty dragon]

well. New problems, New Solutions.

caveling doest seem to destroy turrets

they just chilling

[trim kestrel]

Didn't we already establish that scarabs can (sometimes) fly through walls, and over gaps. So this should be expected, currently, right?

[knotty dragon]

Galaxite trap better ?

[knotty dragon]

Progress

[trim kestrel]

For making your dead man's chest scenes, you devs could change the tile layering priority so that plates are hidden under rug/mat.

I'm not sure what instances this might be undesirable. But when adding automatic doors to my base, I'd prefer to be able to hide my pressure plates under my carpet.

Of course, we can already paint pressure plates. Which will be unknown to most (new) players. And blend in with painted rug, potentially.

[obtuse star]

Make chests output power when opened

[winged cypress]

Yes, so if that from side, that's predicted, but from core, it's panick

Maybe I'll just make another wall just for that

To explode them outside

[agile abyss]

pressure plates going under carpets is a very interesting idea that i for some reason never thought of. The only reason we made them paintable was to hide them better

I'll definitely experiment with the "under rug" thing

[winged cypress]

Make it can be under conveyers, thanks 😄

And cross circuit, too

[unborn summit]

Since normal trap stops them from healing now so normal trap is way enough
Im not sure about hard mode though

[winged cypress]

satisfied to finish my core area like this

[trim kestrel]

👀 Wait. Can repair benches now auto-scrap equipment?

[winged cypress]

since it can't, so I just choose small box, which contents 3 repair boxes' amount

so I can just switch the lever and dump all of them out and scrap them myself

if there's auto scrap system, it won't be this complicated

[trim kestrel]

Can you give a specific example of where you would put a pressure plate under a conveyor?

I would like this too. But I don't see as much use for it yet, when only players are detected. It would be good for some AFK builds, to trigger things as player gets looped. Maybe with useful time intervals.

And a specific example for cross circuits under conveyors, too? Whould you have used it in you build, above?

[winged cypress]

ok, I'll take a screenshot

these scenes

cross circuit under conveyers is just simply when you building auto sorting systems, it will be blocked by conveyers

[trim kestrel]

Oh, I see. So for when the player would be crossing a conveyor line. yeah. This would be helpful for me, too.

In my farm I've done this without the pressure plates on the conveyor side of the door. So I just have to run across quickly, before the doors close! 😅 Or then break then to get back in, if I get trapped on the conveyor line.

[winged cypress]

because I'm still modifying my newly built mobfarm, so I'll adopt new tech this update added

except...building a mobfarm in desert is a bad idea...

[knotty dragon]

bruh blue slime breaks turret

[trim kestrel]

Do you mean, spontaneously? Or just after the slime has been hit by something, so is jumping about anyway?

[knotty dragon]

i dont know seems like turret destroyed hand

[knotty dragon]

new problem

fixing it by ading galaxite trap

@trim kestrel This is my one module caveling desing

[trim kestrel]

I think you're going to get the toucher slimes sometimes hitting/breaking that robot arm. Unless you are very lucky, somehow, with that specific layout.

[knotty dragon]

atleast for cavelings this design works

btw im on normol mode

[trim kestrel]

I think the miner might spontaneously break them too. Especially if they take longer to die, in hard mode... 🤔

[primal rapids]

https://youtu.be/poJdcNfxQ5w
again..? 😅

not acid this time, but still, I wonder if that same works for all titans

[knotty dragon]

its funny how caveling are faster than conveyor belt. they get damaged by turret and they burn.

[primal rapids]

oh, nevermind, I haven't played the update, didn't realize what was going on

[knotty dragon]

@trim kestrel does slime spawn on conveyor belt in slime biome?

[rich belfry]

so just for fun Im going to record myself fishing in lava while afk today during my work day. Im going to fish from the same spot I died at last time. hopefully if I get killed we can see if the spawn happened on the 1 tile or if they glitched in.

[long dagger]

As long as the ground tile or moss gets any mob to spawn, u can add conveyor belts on top of it all without it affecting spawns

Dunno if anyone wants to do the testing for this but what's the quickest time for scarabs landing and exploding after taking a turret shot

They have slow movement speed when they don't aggro onto something so belts can work, using the turret setup I showed u could get turrets stacked down a lane for every 2 lanes which could cover a wide mob farm but projectile decay may be a slight issue so the mob farm length may need to be slightly shorter.

[knotty dragon]

6 caveling modules. Mob Grid Based Farm (M.G.B.F)

[crisp goblet]

I feel like you could probably mirror every second cell to save on how much space is used for the 2-wall brute buffer

[trim kestrel]

I've done a little testing, and scarabs and lava butterflies do indeed get carried along by conveyors.

I'd have the mobs turn a corner into the line of fire, rather than shoot the length of the spawn area, or down their approach line.

[knotty dragon]

8 modules

[long dagger]

a scarab could get shot, trigger the explosion while another walks flies* past it and tanks the shot if too many r brought through

[trim kestrel]

You could try and split them with an electrical door breifly opening periodically.

But, for termination, my best bet is on Assassins. I just got 30 together and they utterly annihilate anything.

Spawning scarabs still the bigger issue.

[agile abyss]

I've been trying to fish for the new desert card but I either seem very unlucky or I'm just doing it wrong and want to double check-

I've fished about 150 times now, using a galaxite fishing rod and pretty good fishing stuff focused on non-fishing items. I'm not fishing in fishing spots but rather just in the plain desert water. Should I just keep doing what I'm doing or am I doing something wrong?

[long dagger]

dont fishing spots only boost fish chances

ur prob just unlucky

[trim kestrel]

There's over 20% chance that you'd get no Oracle Card "Temperance" in 150 loot catches in in the desert. So not surprising.

I assume your map location showed "Desert of beginnings" in the top right. 😜

[agile abyss]

damn you randomness!

also Zero how do you feel about the new xp curves?

[trim kestrel]

I've no idea. To be honest, I feel kinda cheated; I had 4 more of my skills get maxed out from just logging on. I'd have to start a fresh char to get a good feel. And I can't even find time to play the desert content on my old char, as it is...

[lilac gale]

Meanwhile.. I get 5 in less than that lmao

[agile abyss]

we mostly just flattened the curves at the end, there's hardly a noticeable difference at the first 80% of the curve

[lilac gale]

I can say my friend enjoyed the differences. We played 15 hours or so of the update and he finished two skills from ~70

One of which was ranged.

Which before would be basically unheard of lol

Just passively plating as well. I'll full max another character and give you my feelings at some point cubs

It'll only be my third, why not 🙃

[agile abyss]

yeah before you almost had to set up a farm in order to max them out. Our goal was kind of making players able to get to high levels by playing the game like normal, not making a wood farm and crafting 50k bridges or whatever

[trim kestrel]

Yeah. More fun to actually level up the end bit one's self...

But I'm curious how you and other grind-happy players feel about it being made so much cheaper, across the board. (Mining was definitely needed.)

Like, if I was at a loose end, I'd do some gardening, saying to myself that at least I'm levelling up that skill. But now it's already maxed.

[lilac gale]

Mining for sure was needed. Organically I didn't see anyone getting to 100 without simply too much time spent mining for no reason.

The rest I'm not sure about yet. I'll have to do my new character to see.

I may just do a full regular playthrough and see if it organically gets something maxed.

[agile abyss]

I've fished around 200 times at this point and no card 😩
guess I'll go fish at some other point

[lilac gale]

I'm a bit sad that the effort I tossed into grinding my skills is going to be lessened by others getting it easier, but that's also part of the EA gameplay experience so I understand it.

It wasn't asked or forced onto me so I can't get angry about it.

[lilac gale]

Do you care where the card comes from or would you like an extra of mine

[lilac gale]

One last question. All I wanna know is does Vitality still require over 50m xp after the updated requirements lol

[agile abyss]

I could just spawn them in using the developer console haha

but no I'm playing through the game with the only purpose of getting a feel how the game feels for "normal" players, so I can then take that feedback and make adjustments to the game :)

[agile abyss]

vitality was changed too, the curve is once again less steep 👌

[knotty dragon]

working

[lilac gale]

This is fair. Offered cause I have extras is all 🙂

I knew vitality got changed, I was hoping you'd tell me if it was still an astronomically high number or if it was a lot lower. I'll figure it out though as I murder the populous

[trim kestrel]

It'll be, like, halved or quartered. Not reduced by a whole order of magnitude.

[floral tendon]

i wonder if we count as "normal" players 🙃

always appreciate devs who play their own game though... surprising how rare that is

[trim kestrel]

What other loots did you get, to compare and see if you're just unlucky? And what proportion is fish? Because it's only 1.02% of non-fish catches, so, maybe you only have had ~120 of those (if using bait etc, to favour that side).

[agile abyss]

I believe I got 3 double rings, 2 noble rings, 1 kingfish scale, like 4 or so toyships, I believe 17~ ancient fishing hooks etc

getting that many double rings and noble rings but no card is a little unlucky then haha

[floral tendon]

out of curiosity, are fence gates currently still unreliable for keeping mobs out

or in

i remember there was an update a while back that made it very common for mobs to wind up on the other side of fences if you put a gate in it, much worse than a fence with no gate

[trim kestrel]

The doors having no physics after walking off screen glitch was fixed fairly quickly. But there's still standard mob teleportation all over the map and short distances too.

[floral tendon]

yeah i remember the door fix

in fact.... i think it was the same patch that broke gates....

like i'm fairly sure it's specifically gates even more so than the standard teleporting mobs

[lilac gale]

It's probably ~40% decreased I'd assume if the curve is flattened like they're saying. It would be super easy to test by fishing.

Especially if all of the curves are decreased in the same manner.

[trim kestrel]

How would you test?

[lilac gale]

Just catch fish until I get to 100 lol

I have the old number required. You'd just need to see the difference in required catches to reach 100

[trim kestrel]

Just catch all the fish. Simples. 😅

[lilac gale]

It was only 4k before, if it's decreased I'd assume it to be 1-1.5k ish less

Not that bad

[floral tendon]

a walk in the park for the 100k man

[trim kestrel]

A mere lap of the back garden....

[lilac gale]

lmao, done it 4x already I can forego some time to do it once more.

[trim kestrel]

And then again when the devs next mix things up with fishing another time... 😜

[lilac gale]

I've been fishing the new fish up anyways, so I might as well afk it to see how many it takes

I may actually start that now, and just make a small mob farm for the lava slimes nearby it

I still need that damn figurine

[floral tendon]

i almost don't want to ask, but is there a lava butterfly figurine....

[gusty epoch]

Just modify autofish mod to check skill level of fishing every go and if not continue fishing and increment a counter by 1

[lilac gale]

I have two

so yes

[floral tendon]

cry

[lilac gale]

its a .79% according the the wikizet iirc

[lilac gale]

I have zero code knowledge I cannot do this

I will simply ape and click button until I catch to lvl 100

[floral tendon]

i have nonzero code knowledge and sometimes i still prefer ape and click button

[lilac gale]

@trim kestrel what did you say was the "optimal" amount of magma slime to have down for spawns per chunk?

I can always just layer the entire thing, but if I can avoid it...

[trim kestrel]

Currently, the spawn rate is exactly the same as blue, purple and orange slimes. So anything more than 10 tiles is (statistically speaking) a total waste of time.

[floral tendon]

but it looks nice 🙃

[lilac gale]

ok ok

I'll just chuck 10 into a bunch of the surrounding chunks then and get to fishing

ty

[floral tendon]

10 hmm

a chunk is what, 16x16?

[lilac gale]

the mob chunks are yes

[floral tendon]

that's a lotta dead space

[trim kestrel]

Yeah.
Although, if you have a lot of lava slime, and can't be bothered to measure. Just make really long strips... Every 16 tiles. Ok, so you will want to measure a bit, but not need to check map tool.

[floral tendon]

i mean i imagine if you're on a groundslime budget and are lazy you'd just make a really long continuous strip

arrangement of tiles doesn't matter within a chunk right

except for tentacle placement

[lilac gale]

it's dead space if you only want to farm one type of mob yea

but from what limited understanding I have you can just fill that space with other stuff

since it's spawn event per type of mob... no?

[floral tendon]

yeah but even if you were to put all tiles

it's still nearly 50% dead space

[trim kestrel]

Sure. For simplicity. Although there's diminishing returns for every tile over 6. So if you are hard limited on spawn tiles and really want to max optimise rate, you go for 6 per cell.

[floral tendon]

cause there's what, 10 types of spawning tiles?

11

[lilac gale]

idk I never mob farm, so it doesn't bug me much

I just want to make use of the time I will be spending fishing my life away

[floral tendon]

make friends with the slimes

[lilac gale]

They'll be making friends with the poison traps

[floral tendon]

😔

[lilac gale]

I can make friends with them once they give me a figurine

[trim kestrel]

5 mosses, 4 slimes, chrysalis, fungal, mold... plus beach sand, sea water and desert sand (in their biomes).

[floral tendon]

i honestly sort of hope they rework the spawning mechanics cause the way it works now makes no sense LOL

oh i forgot about mold

i wasn't counting biome-specific cause, well

can't really put all of them in the same place anyway

[lilac gale]

I love that this is still a bug lol

[floral tendon]

love it

[floral tendon]

for clarity when you say diminishing returns are you speaking mathematically or is there actually a coded-in mechanic that reduces the spawn rate increase for additional tiles

[long dagger]

I never figured out how the chunks r found, do u guys just use the map tool or is there another method for it (like counting tiles from the core)

[floral tendon]

i just use the map tool

with faith that it's accurate

because if it's not, well, rip me 🙃

in-game coords would be great tho

[long dagger]

Shouldn't be bad with 1 tile inaccuracy unless if making precisely small builds for some odd reason

Coords would be great

Would help a lot with counting tiles

[lilac gale]

Should add an item that allows us to see them, would be nice

and wouldn't clutter UI

[trim kestrel]

The big graphic at the top of my steam guide shows exactly where the world origin point is, relative to the core.

[trim kestrel]

Mathematically. The first tile gives 30% chance to spawn a mob, 70% to not spawn said mob. So the chance the next tile gets to spawn a mob is only 0.7*30%. Because spawns are capped at one mob.

So the first few tiles in a cell are always more useful. So it's best to spread them as thinly as possible. But there has to be a minimum of 6 to enable any spawning at all. So that sets the lower limit.

[floral tendon]

one? 🤔

[trail badger]

111322212110122222222222222222010101010101010101011000......22222222222526\5

[floral tendon]

surely that's not a blanket rule

hello cat

[trim kestrel]

Only mold infected and mushrooms can have more than 1 mob spawn per event (4 and 2 respectively).

[floral tendon]

i see, so mold is the exception

got it

[trail badger]

2522222222

[floral tendon]

well

on the bright side

lots of dead space means plenty of room for service walkways and circuits

i probably will go for 20 tiles because i am a gacha player and i know exactly how much 3% is 🙃

[trim kestrel]

So. For the spawn surfaces with more than 1 mob type, it's worth having a lot more of that surface (if you have a lot).

Well, not clay moss or lush moss, which have the same, high, spawn rate for both mobs...

But for larva, stone moss, urban mold, etc, the higher tier mobs are a lot less likely. So one should prioritise having more of those spawn surfaces.

[long dagger]

Prefer if it wasn't an item that had to be carried around. Terraria as an example with its accessories can clog up space but atleast u can combine them into 1 item

[floral tendon]

does having more of the surface within a chunk help with spawning higher tier mobs?

[long dagger]

Was gonna ask about the scarabs with that

What if the rest r walled off and just have chunks for them to spawn so it'll be easier to gun them down with the turret setup I showed

[floral tendon]

biome spawns are much much lower

than 30%

so idk how viable that would be

[trim kestrel]

More tiles helps more with lower chance spawns because the returns diminish more slowly.

[long dagger]

Have small chunk rooms for biome spawns and wall off around it*

Would prob help out to try getting them into smaller spaces to shoot down with turrets but idk

[trim kestrel]

You could use the dead space between spawn surfaces for scarab farming, potentially, if that's part of what you were asking? But need walls and 2 tile gap with stone moss sections...

Conveyors to collect (very rare) scarabs, too.

[long dagger]

The walls was to confine the spawns to get them into better positioning to shoot down with the turret set up but it's prob not worth it

[floral tendon]

hmmm i'm not sure if i follow this point. do the different mob types have separate spawn rates that are checked in order? i'd assumed that mob type was rolled after checking if a spawn would happen

[long dagger]

May just have them all be pushed over into a 2 tall shooting chamber and hope it's enough for this

With more turrets tho

I'll be back later, may hop on and maybe start on a scarab farm if the turret chamber doesn't take too long to make

Should prob get a name for the turret stacking 👀

[floral tendon]

"turret stacking" sounds fine to me lol

[lilac gale]

It begins, see you in 900 years 🙃

wait, I shouldn't use this set fug

[fallow hawk]

So is this grubzooka 2.0?

[floral tendon]

hand mortar 2.0

[lilac gale]

I haven't tried to use it like grubzooka but probably.

[trim kestrel]

Yeah, mob types are rolled separately. So, e.g. 3 different probabilities are rolled per tile for each of chysalis and stone moss:

And this graph shows the diminishing returns of increased chance, for the different mobs:

[floral tendon]

hmm

why does it work this way 🤪

i guess then at least a single full cell for those should suffice

i guess my rooms can serve more than just decorative purpose 🙃

does this mean that if i have a full cell of stone moss, it'll spawn a shaman 90% of the time 🤔

and a miner only 10% of the time

well, 92:8

[trim kestrel]

Yes, sharman 90% chance with 256 riles of stone moss in cell. Miner is guaranteed 100%. Brute 70% chance.

[floral tendon]

but if spawn cap is 1

oh

1 each?

[trim kestrel]

1 of each, yeah. Independent odds.

[floral tendon]

ohhh

now that is a thinker

[trim kestrel]

Hence spreading is always better, if an option, because the 1 per type cap is so limiting. And the overall chance (across all spawn cells) remains at least as high for the less likely spawns.

[floral tendon]

hmm

[trail badger]

apparently my kids got to my keyboard... apologies

also.. I just got a gardening level up watering a crop

[floral tendon]

are the new clay cavelings also each 30%?

[trim kestrel]

Yes.

Like the lush moss cavelings. Which means you should pretty much always get them together as a pair.

[floral tendon]

neat

I'm satisfied with these numbers then

104 each for urban and stone and 16 each for the rest

roughly a 3:2:1 ratio on the different spawn types

[long dagger]

good use of my time

[trim kestrel]

Those walls are just maze blocks, right? Not obsidian... No, you've never been able to hoe-trick delete those... Right, good.

Still, you mine those by hand? Or mass drill them? Or... bombs?

[long dagger]

by hand

2 hit

non reinforced galaxite pick

with cave crunch buff and this build

was thinking of using bombs but its kinda expensive for large areas

[trim kestrel]

There a benefit to not being reinforced?

[long dagger]

couldnt 1 shot with it reinforced

and itd be 3 hits without crunch buff and if unreinforced

[trim kestrel]

What is cave crunch buff...?

oh, food from vending machine.

That's +50. but reinforcing galaxite pick is +76. So why wouldn't you do that?

[long dagger]

using either still 2 shots it

saves galaxite bars

and using both is still 2 hits

[trim kestrel]

Also, where does my +40% crit damage come from? When I have nothing equipped and no item in hand...?

I don't see a talent or skill that gives it.

I was talking about this over here (for context): #🎮-game-discussion message

[long dagger]

could just come from the character lvl itself

skill lvls*

or titan souls if they ended up making those give stats

[trim kestrel]

Maybe and maybe... But nothing seems to say so anywhere...

And the only 40% is for gardening harvest chance.

Don't mind me, being dumb; I missed the last ranged damage talent I had spec'd (Amplified precision). 🙄

[trim kestrel]

Have you guys' Fury Forges failed to take in the galaxite when part of mining setups, far away? [Edit: I forgot to check my chest, like a fool. Bars were there, all good.]

[lofty bear]

its working fine on me

[trim kestrel]

I think I'm being exceptionally dumb again... I should go to bed, no worries.

[lilac gale]

Status update: lvl 40 took 354 catches compared to the previously required 443.

[trim kestrel]

Noice! Have you been noting down the number of catches every (10) level(s), too? Either way... 👍

So, yeah, the levelling curve seems quite similar, at the low end. That's 20% cheaper, to level 40.

@lilac gale - What do you think of the new cooking system simplification? Of all dishes with golden veg automatically becoming rare. That was a suggestion of yours right? 🙂

[lofty bear]

btw crown idol drop rate really rare?

[lilac gale]

I had been mentally noting them, but I'm also dumb and forgot 🙂

25 was ~50 less than before.

[trim kestrel]

Low drop chance per slime, so need to kill a lot: https://corekeeper.wikizet.com/en/Crown_Summoning_Idol

Best to harvest the ghorm ring, is it's populated.

[lofty bear]

yeah i did one round in ghorm ring got no luck

[trim kestrel]

Huh, that is weird... The damage numbers there (at ~1keach) are actually the damage that Ghorm is doing to the trap, I believe...

Is that still the case in the current version of the game?
https://twitter.com/CoreKeeperGame/status/1592487588463460354

Core Keeper - Desert of Beginnings Update Out Now! (@CoreKeeperGame)

Who would win in a fight, Ghorm or over 200 Galaxite Traps?

Spoiler: It's over 200 Galaxite traps 😂

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[winged cypress]

still thinking if we can build a 150-tile big rifle for the boss

[long dagger]

u can surely kill it with just turrets if u stack them outwards to ~140 tiles out in all directions

without it moving much from spawn

did anyone find out if light sources affect spawn rates? specifically lit tiles

[winged cypress]

hmm, I don't know, but my mobfarm is all lit up by sea water or lava

and it works fine

but if you just put lit floor on it, it will disable the spawn completely

[lilac gale]

lvl 50 is where I will stop for the day. Been fishing pretty much non-stop since I started. 519 catches to reach this point compared to the previously required 697.

[trail badger]

did i miss something about wood farms? like.. i know is not the uber optimal but it used to be getting somwhere, left this for the day and got 60 of each

[lofty bear]

isnt it faster if you have 2 root base and 1 conveyor belt instead?

[trail badger]

faster im sure, this was just something quickish and dirty that i swear used to at least work, the rate i got was 8 wood an hour... i feel like i broke something.. or something broke something

[lofty bear]

oh about the rate, i dont know, i dont see any difference on mine

is there a range how far we can afk for those to keep working?

[trail badger]

my first attempt was afking in the dirt box

ive since been about 20 blocks over working on something and it hasnt produced a single additional piece

[long dagger]

galaxite boulder in obsidian walls

easy to find boulders on the mini map when digging strips past them

[long dagger]

its odd finding them like this

ill come back to that boulder in a year

[trail badger]

ya know what.. wonder if the game did the thing where it they dried out so it forgot they could grow

[gusty epoch]

That would be sad, but nothing a few sprinklers can’t fix

[trail badger]

iirc it wasnt a consistent thing.. like it happened the first time the root became "adult" then watering it once again fixed the issue

i built Zeros and MZs little uber farm or whatever.. and noticed that as soon as it reached final maturity i could/had to water it again

full grown.. can water.. hmm

ill have to see if it breaks overnight, and if i have to water again. im sure i can fit a sprinkler in somewhere

[lofty bear]

oh i didnt know that, i just water it once when i plant the seed and left it there

[trail badger]

i dont remember what or why it did it.. just remember it being a thing

[long dagger]

dunno if u already got it updated for boulders in the desert but looks like theres copper, tin, iron, gold, and galaxite. dunno if theres scarlet or octarine @trim kestrel

[trail badger]

also.. when could coral grow on dirt?

[warped parcel]

Ive seen it spread along the dirt bridges crossing the biome gaps, i think seed placement is what it counts

[lofty bear]

the spread is possible i think

but the seed cant

i tried using grass for wood to make it looks green, but it doesnt grow apparently, though the seed can be planted

[trail badger]

now i really broke it

[long dagger]

still takes 2 hits to destroy maze wall (using crunch buff +50 mining)

[spice hollow]

I was looking for how to make Pressure plates hidden under carpets via search option on Discord :D

Please do see if you can make them become hidden so that we could have for example automatic doors open as we approach ^^

[long dagger]

cubs already talked with others about it, apparently they can be painted?

[spice hollow]

That.. is exactly the post I was quoting. And yes, we can paint them

[long dagger]

didnt seem like a quote but ye, would be cool if they add it soon

[obtuse star]

oh dear

[winged cypress]

this time, he got caught, passing through 2 tile solid sand ground

[unborn summit]

The transparent creeper

[obtuse star]

definitely not intended

[unborn summit]

For sure

[winged cypress]

and after a while it flied away

[obtuse star]

put in a bug report if you havent already

[winged cypress]

already put

[long dagger]

that sucks, im clearing out a large area for farming them

[winged cypress]

it's really hard to setup a automatic farm for them, since they explode really fast

[lofty bear]

anyone got their game lag really bad after one hour afk?

[winged cypress]

no, but certainly get really lag when there's jellyfishes

[lofty bear]

i wonder if it because im using multiple layers for mob farm ground

im using mold ground as base, then mob spawner carpet, and octarine floor that glows, and belt on top

[obtuse star]

Hmmmm well there's light and particles from the mould which might have an impact

[winged cypress]

I'm mainly using sea water and lava to light up my base

but I used to use lit floor before, didn't slow down the game for me

[trim kestrel]

And that's definitely not got bridges under those walls, you say...? 😕

[winged cypress]

outer wall is 3 layer of wall

2tile of sand ground+sand wall, 1tile of bridge+wall

[trim kestrel]

Ok. So the inside is bridge, but the Scarab first phased through 2 layers of wall on sand ground... Hmm, that's unfortunately confusing... That it still bugs.

[winged cypress]

nearly everyday, I got bombed from that direction

[trim kestrel]

Were you playing during the start of the Halloween event?

If so, did you clear out the huge overflows of mobs that spawn within 200 tiles of players? Due to a bug.

[lofty bear]

no, i started like few months ago, do item dropped on ground affect this?

[obtuse star]

Not really

[trim kestrel]

"no" you didn't play during Halloween at all?

[trim kestrel]

I added this to the wikizet, but didn't get around to it on my steam guide yet. (No scarlet or octarine.)

[trim kestrel]

I think that's always been possible... It just can't be planted in hoed dirt.

[lofty bear]

no i didnt login during halloween

[trim kestrel]

Oh, interesting. Are those 3 different instances? You didn't open up the obsidian on the pic above, to drill it like that, of course?

[long dagger]

ye, all 3 r separate

no method yet for removing obsidian besides using bosses

[trim kestrel]

Hmm. Not sure then. The sprinkler bug should be fixed...

And unless you're talking bout many thousands of loose items, that you are coming back in range off, I don't see why you'd get more lag...

Personally, I'd try restarting, see if that helps at all. Then investigate around that spot (if it's isolated to that part of the world?) to see if you find anything within about 200 tiles.

[lofty bear]

yeah restarting fixed it, but it kinda annoying i need to restart every hours

I'll try demolish the mobfarm first

[trim kestrel]

Maybe some kind of memory management issue with the game. You could open task manager to check the ram usage and see if it increases over time...

[lofty bear]

there are few hundreds unlooted item in ghorm circle tho

[trim kestrel]

Meh. 🤷

[agile abyss]

shouldn't be a difficult change! Bringing this up to the other devs

[trim kestrel]

Right. Roots grow in each of 2 directions just as fast as in 1 direction.

There's 2 separate 5 minute growth timers that alternate. That can't grow out of the same place concurrently.

That's why Mz's old design is still good, because each stump can grow two ways, down either adjacent column. But the root backbone across the top is now, I think, technical redundant.

[trim kestrel]

Cool. I brought it up in the ambassadors discord too (tagged you there). No engagement though, heh. 🙂🤷

[trim kestrel]

I've not reinvestigated wood farms for a while. I fired up my old ones, in this update, and they all seemed to work well. With me mostly far away. But I've not tried testing their rates...

We (mostly @primal rapids) were seeing a bug where their growth would seem to stop kind of randomly. Needed a world restart. After the sea update changes.

I thought this was after maturity. How sure are you that you only see it directly after first growing (is that what you're saying)?

If you water after planting the seeds, it shouldn't be able to dry out before maturity.

And do you see any growth start before the root reaches full size? That was a bug, too.

[spice hollow]

Would it also be possible to rotate the items? (when placing them in house or anywhere I guess)?

Fireplace as an example:

[agile abyss]

this is something we're currently discussing the possibility of, but it's harder to implement than it seems

[winged cypress]

overflew jellyfish, pain

[spice hollow]

I imagine the amount of work it would need to add separate textures to all items that would rotate
so yeah I can imagine that would be hard! Not one of the important things, but could make house decorations bit more customisable. Tho in personal opinion, it is awesome as it is already

[obtuse star]

i think its a bit more than just textures

but yeah those alone would keep julian busy for a while

[agile abyss]

yeah, recoding the fundementals of how objects in the world works to make you able to rotate them, as well as re-code all objects that can currently rotate

[spice hollow]

Yup, understandable that's for sure ^^

Oh and I guess last thing to mention as I just got this item..
Why is a Towel not a necklace item but body armor piece :? The stats seem Necklace worthy imo

[trim kestrel]

Can that cause your fps drop to kick in after an hour? I thought the effect would be continual, as soon as you are in that area?

[winged cypress]

no, as soon as I enter that area

since there's already too many jellyfishes

at least lava won't spawn jellyfishes

instead, creeper

[trim kestrel]

Because it's primarily a clothing item. To cover up... Parts of the player's upper body. It has to be seen in the world. And available in the dresser.

[agile abyss]

necklace would have been funny, but yeah I believe we were wanting to add more cosmetic "visible on character" items when coming up with the towel idea

[spice hollow]

To be fair, you can put a towel on your neck like a necklace haha! But I do see the idea, at least I realised it once I put it on :D

[spice hollow]

Oh one last thing (i promise, I really do!)

Key bind to move an item that I have my cursor on or selected to trash bin - please ^^'
(Like how you hold Left shift and press 1-2-3-4 buttons to move the item to the hot bar)

[knotty dragon]

Just finished 12 modules cavelings automatic farm

HOW THE F- THIS HAPPENED

[spice hollow]

magic

[trim kestrel]

Oh no, I thought we'd seen the last of that issue when the root growth mechanic became global (instead of sneakily catching up with a spurt in player return)...

You should still be able to avoid drill destruction by e.g. putting bridge under them. But if this is a common problem, again, the devs will need to work out what's up...

[knotty dragon]

1h AFK. 12 modules

[winged cypress]

being so satisfied seeing this

[rich belfry]

why repair benches?

and that is very satisfying

[obtuse star]

only salvageables i think

[winged cypress]

that I don't have to pick them up and scrap them

faster salvage

and if there's auto scrap machine in there, I'll adopt that

[crisp goblet]

As of right now you need to run around to each bench and hit 'scrap'?

[winged cypress]

yes