Better leveling up system 🤷🏻

[somber cypress]

yeah, I sometimes do get spawnkilled

it's really annoying

[open wren]

ive just accepted it as part of the game

annoying? yes.

but i do think spawns should be improved

whenever i spawn as essex i am always facing the exact opposite direction i want to go. its weird.

always towards the border and south

hold on let me turn around........

[crystal nexus]

What if you face towards 0 0 when you spawn

[crystal nexus]

@short abyss

I’ve noticed this too ngl

[somber cypress]

There could be a mechanic where you can't spawn very near to someone who is level 6+ (maybe 200-300 meters) or you can't spawn in the middle of a fleet

[royal pollen]

there should be a minimum distance between large shps when spawning

imo out of visual range for both ships

the amount of times ive spawned as an essex or sm broadside on to a kirov

[crude belfry]

@open wren a way you can avoid that is by spawning as a skipjack so that way you can turn around and or escape spawn kills easily and then lvl up to essex when coast is clear.

[open wren]

yeah but spawning as skipjack will likely put me farther south, which i dont want. and the other day i was spawned as skipjack in the shallow south. not cool.

[crude belfry]

true

[sharp cedar]

people have been complaining about this for ages, mostly has to do with the game's code mistaking the "puddles" in the south as deep water.

[somber cypress]

always respawn 1 or 2 lvls below what you can

[open wren]

i almost always do. i like to have an upgrade ready. but again, if you go too low of a lvl, you will spawn farther south. and i dont want that.

back to your origional purpose of this forum, i have just excepted these facts. sometimes it is very hard and takes me a long time to lvl up. when i first started playing it was very hard. but i just kept trying, that made me a better player. the problem is that everyone is a threat. you never know if a low lvl ship has enough xp to be lvl 8 and is just trying to get close. or a zubr about to upgrade to lublin. and g5 is kos. i dont let those things anywhere near me.

many things in this game that i just have to accept. like the 212a. i hate those subs. and yes i can kill them but i just think they ruin the game. or after you kill a sub (while you are also a sub) and they spawn essex right next to you. or multi fleet alliances.

[open wren]

its just the way it is. you work hard and fight good you get the reward of higher lvl and higher spawn. also making games easier for noobs can have unintended concequences. we all learn the hard way. if you want to play this game you start from the bottom, put in the time and effort to gain skill. its what we all had to do. if the game was easy i wouldnt play it. now i agree it can be very frustrating even for us to lvl up sometimes but it might ruin the game to change that. just look at netquel. it was once a very fun game and now its destroyed.
that said i understand how you feel and respect your difference in opinion.

[open wren]

makes perfect sense to me. sometimes changes can improve a game. and sometimes "improvements" can accidentally harm a game. netquel is an example of this.

you said "Any opinions are welcome". this is my opinion.

[safe crescent]

Y'all just didn't feed the squirrel smh

[open wren]

i did, and im not making netquel suggestions here. i was using it as an example

and its a well known fact that the majority of people dont like the new netquel

thats why we all stopped playing

and yes they are open to improvements, i was jst pointing out that sometimes these improvements change the game for the better and sometimes for the worse.

like the recent change to mk where you didnt have any weapons after upgrade. that was an attempt to make the game more fair. everyone hated it and it was changed back.

[open wren]

my source is from being a witness. i was a daily netquel player. all the many players i saw daily, my many friends and allies all stopped playing when it got updated. it wasnt a random coming and going. even the remaining players want it updated and fixed. its interesting how everytime i make a statement about netquel, people argue with me and turn it into a long back and forth, that in the end looks like im bad mouthing netquel and cant let it go. its in the past. ive made my points. ive let it go and moved on. now i play mk 48 and i dont want it to go the way of netquel.

i am ok with updates, i was making a simple point, im sure sq wont let mk die. i was just sharing my opinion.

i explained HOW it could turn out bad and gave an example.

i went out of my way to explain myself. i said they can be good or bad. i said im open to updates. i said it was my opinion. i said i respect your differing opinion.

note to self:
dont reply to ACE's forums. ACE is not open to differing opinions and will just argue with you

[open wren]

stop gaslighting me, you took much of that out of context. and i wasnt here for a debate. if you want a debate but it in the subject box. then ill know to stay away.

lies

gaslighting, taking out of context and coveniently leaving parts out is a weird way of welcoming opinions.

i have my opinions and you have yours. i was polite and respectful. i had no idea you so unwilling to accept other opinions and wanted a debate. but i understand now.

so now lets let this forum die because its going nowhere.

dont worry, noone reading. the lvl up system is fine. this forum turned into a spawn conversation breifly. nothing to see here.

[safe crescent]

I completely disagree with both of you and just think it should be just as hard to level 10 from 5 as from level 5 from 1

Also waylon hate to break it to you the meaning of a forum is a place for discussion and debate

Worry less about semantics less time and more about debating your point

Anyways there should be more prestige into getting in the higher levels

But I believe you can't just do it on its own or people would hate it like the anti rat tactics update

You have to coincide any update to leveling with an update to levels itself, ie, changing mk48 from 10 levels to 12 to open up more slots

Part of what softened the Ohio's buff (even though theres still debate) is the fact that it was made to be more realistic and the side to side decoys were in the astute and 212a as well

It's more likely open slots will appear in the mid level range as theres too many ships to fill mid level but not enough top level

Yamato would just be moved a tad up

IMHO if you just make it harder to respawn, because its so easy to move up in the higher levels, it would be more of an annoyance than a fix to spawn killing problem

Most ships above level 5 has enough power to easily fight off ships below them

The divide just happens because a lot of mid level ships need more distinct levels instead of being grouped so close

The jump from visbys to indepdence, i400 to the essex, and arleigh to the kolkata are insane

4-5 and 5-6 have the biggest disparity in level jumps

Cold war ships in new levels between 4-6

Like we go from town class ww2 cruiser to level 7 guys

[open wren]

its a bit hard to do when the other person misrepresents your argument. also i never saw any place where it said that forums is for debates. maybe its there but i dont see it. for me its to state my opinion. i dont have the urge to debate games.

[safe crescent]

Unfornately thats not possible due to the design philopshy of the game, where there needs to be one type of ship in every level (Destroyer, corvette, carrier, sub)

On their own ship category these would all be balanced but balance gets hard when your managing all these with 10 levels and an ever increasing amount of ships

[safe crescent]

"Open Discussion" means debates, if you don't have the urge then just like dont

Squirrel just playtests

At least to my understanding

[open wren]

wrong

[safe crescent]

Again, semantics, we are arguing for the ideas we are putting forth should be added in game

I believe it will be a bit hard to find common ground if you believe it shouldn't and the opposer being the person who created the idea

[open wren]

so your logic is that im wrong and facts are semantics? intersting

[safe crescent]

I'm not saying your argument for going agianst this is wrong, I'm saying that in this specific circumstance we are debating for this idea (being for adding levels)

Your debating with me right now if this is a debate

[open wren]

im clearing up a misconception about word definitions

[safe crescent]

Great

Anyways how do you feel about if more levels are added to adress the firepower disparity from levels 4-6, coninciding with higher levels being increasingly harder to get

I feel like there should be a bit more prestige in reaching max level instead of it being something you do within 5 minutes of playing the game

[crude belfry]

I agree lvl 10 is to easy to get to.

[safe crescent]

I do actually want to get waylons opinion on this if their willing because if everybody in a forum says yes and squirrel agress then thats how we get 3 planes on a level 4 sub

[open wren]

im not sure. id have to think about it. i like the game the way it is now. im open to new things. i would like to see more ships where there is open spots like lvl 2, 9 and 10. i dont see why there couldnt be a higher lvl than ten.

but none of this will change the fact that higher lvls will easily kill lower lvls and then i feel people will just complain that its too hard to get to higher lvls and compete.

[safe crescent]

Thats the thing though, its hard to fill spots top level because they consist of already the most top level ships that are unique (for backgorund nimtz is getting added soon too)

Level 2 idk whats up with that i think its just cause people advocate for their countries ww2 ships and higher and all of them are good

[safe crescent]

It should be harder to get to higher levels, thats what drives up its prestige

[open wren]

im not familiar enough with naval combat ships to have any opinion on what should be added

[open wren]

but whoever does get there might just dominate. the way the game is now, high lvls have competition

[safe crescent]

That can be decided later, cause there are ship designs in this forums list that could potentially fill those spots

[safe crescent]

The way the game is balanced levels 6+ can compete with many of the ships higher than them

Essexs solos all subs, Iowas weak to two subs or an ohio

Clem is clem

[open wren]

ok so i think i understand more. the high lvl ships get bumped up some lvls and newer ships added to fill the gap

[safe crescent]

And it takes a bit more xp to the point where its prestigous to get to max

Power symbol of fleets and pure flex if solo

[open wren]

thats an intersting idea, i think it has potential

[safe crescent]

@trim rover every day of my existence in the depths of these forums I recruit more and more to the more levels cause

[open wren]

one problem is the refusal to add good ships because of political reasons.i respect this but it might make the gaps hard to fill

[safe crescent]

https://discord.com/channels/847143438939717663/1486469396569260303 read if you dare

Not really, theres a lot of good designs from the cold war

It kinda just goes from like ww2 to modern period with like 2 ships from the cold war

[open wren]

it would be interesting to know squirrels opinion on all this and if he will or wont implement it

[safe crescent]

Level 7 or its equivalent in a new system would probably be a good cap

Cause what im suggesting would make it harder to get to level 8 from 7

[crude belfry]

I think if we get enough people and squirrel likes the idea them we might get er done

[open wren]

possibly. but sq is always busy with other games

[safe crescent]

VIVA LA MORE LEVELS (Courtesy of the 🥐)

[crude belfry]

he said mk48io update is soon in line

[safe crescent]

Squirrels been giving more attention ever since he came back from the 3 year break

[open wren]

update but not a complete overhaul

[safe crescent]

Decoys were a bit of an overhaul

But he has expressed interest in the idea before

[open wren]

i guess we have a diff definition of overhaul

[crude belfry]

true but as far as we know he only plans to add one ship @open wren

[safe crescent]

fair nough

[open wren]

i heard 2

[safe crescent]

Its 2

Nimtz and Choe Hyon

[open wren]

but this idea seems to be the only way forward

if there is a forward

[open wren]

and not just sml ugrades

[crude belfry]

oh ok Havent folled the Choe Hyon forum

[safe crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/взгляд-2000-ярдов-война-war-soldier-gif-3632617944134077161

Don't

[crude belfry]

lol

[open wren]

@safe crescent from what ive seen from sq is that he wants more of solutions than suggestions. come up with what you think would be the way to do it and present it to him

[safe crescent]

He said this and expressed interesting in giving arleigh burke tomahawks if we found a replacement, we found the county class but owl is the coder and modeler

[safe crescent]

Same, I use that design philosphy of what if I was the coder when I am making or debating forums

Lemme cook something up

[open wren]

👨‍🍳

[crude belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-gonna-go-back-to-bed-luke-fair-play-i'm-going-back-to-sleep-i'm-gonna-go-lie-down-gif-10899130202889277146

cyall later

[open wren]

goodnight @crude belfry

[safe crescent]

@trim rover We would like to suggest the idea that if more levels are implemented, the level disparity between that jumps up firepower from levels 4-6 should be mitigated, and higher levels should have a higher jump in xp to offset the ease of getting xp through said firepower. The max level should be presitgous, a flex, a right of passage, and a symbol of power, for the one who wields it, engraving their names as a skilled player of mk48. We would also like to suggest capping the respawning max level to the equivlant of our current level 7, just to be able to add noteriety to level 10 and actually punish you for death.

goodnight @crude belfry

[trim rover]

there wasn't a 3 year break

[safe crescent]

ehhhhh idk if the ranks count

anyways semantics doesn't matter much you're back and we are very grateful

[trim rover]

levels are not just based on strength, they are based on how modern the ships are

[trim rover]

I'm not sure about the premise. maybe I'm just bad at #mk48 but 1-5 is faster for me than 5-10

[trim rover]

there are costs to making higher levels more expensive, like players feeling hopeless when they can't get them or disappointed when they get sunk after getting them

I think this problem might be solvable by adding new levels, but in a strategic way. not 11, 12, etc. but maybe 4.5, 5.5, and 6.5

[safe crescent]

Design wise idk how I would feel from integers to doubles back to integers

Unless we had like 1.5, 2.5, 7.5, ect

[trim rover]

4.5 means 5, but with 5-10 shifted to 6-11

[safe crescent]

Oh nvm then your talking about the exact same thing I am

[trim rover]

another thing to think about: perhaps the problem is that levels 1-5 are too hard (or time-consuming), not that 5-10 is too easy or that 4-6 is too extreme.

1-5 being hard might matter for large numbers of new players, while 5-10 being too easy mainly affects the sensibilities of pro players

[safe crescent]

y= 28.6945 * 1.54694^X is the rough equation for the games level exp storing here for reference

The main premise of the idea is to make level 5-10 harder to get for us

If we make levels 1-5 easier for new players then pros will demolish them regardless

[trim rover]

more precisely: https://www.desmos.com/calculator/q7zpqd84xa

[safe crescent]

But if we make it harder for us to get better firepower, then they will have a fighting chance at there level

[safe crescent]

Click settings you can convert function to graph

[trim rover]

[safe crescent]

Cool function though I don't understand half of it lmao

[safe crescent]

The face of a minute of regret

Anyways if we are always in higher levels then they won't have a chance to fight us

But if we are in lower levels then they will be able to fight us better

Now technically making levels 1-5 easier or making levels 5-10 harder acheive the same premise, bringing newbies closer to us in ships

BUT time is a factor too

Because if you make it to quick to get to level 10, then it will get more boring

[trim rover]

I'm concerned about the psychological effect of grinding a L10 for 1 hour and then losing it to a clump of mines or a team of two subs

[safe crescent]

1 hour is also too extreme I ain't talking that high

4.5k-7k was my range which could be a good 20-30 minutes

[trim rover]

solo or in a team?

[safe crescent]

For max level

[safe crescent]

Solo would be a flex, teams would be more realistic for your first shot

Current lb for reference

[trim rover]

ok I think I see an issue. I almost always play solo, so 1-5 is easier than 5-10

in a team, 1-5 doesn't get faster but 5-10 gets a lot faster because, at those higher levels, having more ships is a huge advantage when it comes to not getting ganked

maybe #mk48 needs a FFA (no teams) mode

[safe crescent]

The end of politics (if you add it, it should be rotating with 2teams)

[trim rover]

rotating?

oh, I would just always offer both (all 3) modes

[safe crescent]

The more modes you add the less players per mode

[trim rover]

[safe crescent]

ye just something to consider

[trim rover]

I cannot overstate how much I consider that

but, ultimately, the goal is to increase the players by making the game better

[safe crescent]

FFA No teams as well as the natural levels exp being a bit bumped after a level change should be good as well

Considering my experience in the 120 player chinese world last summer

[trim rover]

natural levels exp being a bit bumped after a level change
what exactly do you mean by 'natural levels xp' and 'after a level change' ?

[safe crescent]

I mean assumingly adding levels, max level would need more exp to get to

Still a long ways away in terms of ships needed to fill slots but

[trim rover]

yeah, that wouldn't require a change, because xp is based on level number and max level would be a higher level number

[safe crescent]

11, 3750

12, 6540

Thats a tad more than a bit but wouldn't mind it

[fast robin]

oh great forum , i wanna add something

1. as ace/chaos said , spawn should be restricted to atmost lvl 7.

2. i dont really understand how someone who die as lets say 10k will have same xp someone who is at 3k

why?

lets say i am lvl 10 and i killed 3 lvl 10s , but the 4 th lvl 10 of the enemy team killed me. Me and the all the 3 lvl 10 i killed will have same points (940). This creates a unbalance in the game, because dying is not a big issue? u can always respawn at the same xp of the opponent who killed ur whole team.

@trim rover so the best thing is to restrict the lvl that u can spawn as but also give the sustainable points. a 10k after death should have atleast 1k more points than someone who died as 5k points.

though this is just a idea and i cannot think of any way to implement it other than creating a whole new leaderboard which separates ur kill points(based on killing higher lvls.) and another point system which store what lvl are you and its only a little dependent of the first one(For leveling up , u can have it from scrapes i.e from rigs and from the residue of the sunked ships).

I would love to see ur views on this squirrel.

[fast robin]

also its not like kill point system lb will always have positive points , when u die u will have significant penalties and some % of the points subtracted will be added to the person that killed you.

[digital nebula]

I say we just need more ships in this game

More levels

Tho you could just go to mk49 for more ships and levels but, I myself likes mk48 better

[crude belfry]

same, mk49 is weird

[digital nebula]

The star ships are crazy 😭

[royal pollen]

mk 49 is bad solely because its hella unbalanced

planes have no real counters, and there is one very very very good ship at most levels that makes the rest of the ships useless

and also theres star destroyers and HALO ships 😭😭😭😭

[digital nebula]

Fr 🥀