Update (formerly P-51H, level 3)

[wheat laurel]

i was J5 and it was a PL-2

i was low to the water and then pulled right as hard as the plane could go

[olive hemlock]

J5 is incredibly easy to dodge with. all you have to do is get the missile to not be behind you

however, this requires a bit of time, so point blank missiles may still get you

[wheat laurel]

it couldn't turn any harder though 😭

[olive hemlock]

someone suggested missiles shouldn't seek as well near water btw

[wheat laurel]

that would make sense for radar missiles

[olive hemlock]

someone said for IR too...

[wheat laurel]

ngl the best strategy is to stay as a prop until you have f-104 of j7

they're literally better than early jets since you get immunity to missiles and can out-turn any jets

[olive hemlock]

they're slower and their guns are worse

also, not immune from rocket-missiles

[wheat laurel]

i find they work better

also since when did the bots get so good?

[olive hemlock]

you're welcome to use them

[wheat laurel]

they destroy me in every dogfight lol

[olive hemlock]

😬

are you using mouse controls, keyboard, or both?

[wheat laurel]

or they'll shoot magics at like point blank

[wheat laurel]

both

and whenever i get a kill it says +0 xp lol

but when i die it's like -100 xp

[olive hemlock]

you get less XP for killing lower levels

i might change this when you're killing bots

[tribal thicket]

Wouldn't hot airplane show up more against cold water

[olive hemlock]

yeah, it seemed a bit weird to me. I will have to investigate. maybe it only applies to the IR missiles that use a negative image (they look for a hole in the sky)

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock whenever the next update happens (no pressure as always lol you) could the plane names be normalized? Producer, Model, Nickname/report-name
So:
Boeing B17 Flying Fortress
Fiat CR.42 Falco
Kawasaki Ki10 Perry
Mitsubishi A6M Zero
Vought F4U Corsair
Messerschmitt Bf109 (no name)
Supermarine Spitfire
Messerschmitt Me262 Schwallbe
De Havilland DH100 Vampire
North American F86 Sabre
Shenyang J5 Fresco
Lockheed F104 Starfighter
Chengdu J7 Fishcan
Fairchild Republic A10 Thunderbolt II
Dassault Mirage F1

[olive hemlock]

that's a lot of text to show in-game. where exactly would these be shown? just /planes/ and plane menu tooltips?

[young dagger]

oh and about that - @olive hemlock could all kills to provide at least 5 xp minimum

[olive hemlock]

I don't want any incentive for spawnkilling human players but, for bots, I guess so

[wheat laurel]

i've been playing for about an hour and have not yet reached level 6 😭

this game is so hard lol

[young dagger]

just for the menu and in game all is needed is the identification (f, j, a) and name

[olive hemlock]

tips:

• capture some subs
• shoot from a distance, don't dogfight
• stay at high altitude most of the time
• go after bombers

[wheat laurel]

alr i'll try

it's just that these bots are so good

[olive hemlock]

"Fairchild Republic A10 Thunderbolt II" is an extreme amount of text to put onscreen next to a plane. the screen will fill up fast if close to a flight of A10's

[wheat laurel]

and how do you shoot down the bombers? the tail gunners always get me

[olive hemlock]

the tail gunners never get me. it helps to stay at a moderate distance and use z=zoom to snipe at them.

[young dagger]

just A-10 is all that is needed then
For ingame, minimum needed detail

[olive hemlock]

oh, I see what you were saying

I will write this down on my TODO list

[wheat laurel]

ughhhh it's hopeless

75 minutes of trying without success 😔

ima need a turnfight tutor

[young dagger]

my strat is more or less what sq said but also fly high with 262 and target high levels

and i pick f104 over j7 bc speed

[wheat laurel]

i try that but then the high levels just go vertical to get behind me and i'm dead. or i just get third partied

[young dagger]

do NOT dogfight

[wheat laurel]

lol i don't get to level 6

[wheat laurel]

then you do you win a head-on?

[young dagger]

always be checking your shoulders

[wheat laurel]

the guns aren't powerful enough to kill within that short amount of time

[young dagger]

they are with proper aim, and dont turn after the headon unless specific cases

[wheat laurel]

also bombers are so hard to kill

but it's okay, the game is still really fun 🙂

[young dagger]

depends on aim
stay far away and do not fire at the square, use your own firing solution

and yes sq made the square to shoot at but uh trust me ok

[olive hemlock]

staying above the action works wonders for survivability. I got unlucky because a player attacked me anyway, and I was resolved not to kill any players, only bots.

[umbral dawn]

Would it be better to separate servers like for props early jets and Cold War jets

[olive hemlock]

we plan to do both a FFA game mode with a̵l̶l̴ ̵t̴h̶e̷ ̶p̸l̷a̸n̷e̸s̴ and some specialized game modes like

• "Midway" (carriers, torpedo bombers, Zero's, and Corsairs)
• ground attack (destroy convoys)
• etc. etc.

[umbral dawn]

some progress on the cannuk

[wheat laurel]

yeah I tried using altitude but I kept dying from people behind me

it’s really tough to not have people get right behind you with such a small map and since name tags appear only at close range

also defensive maneuvers rarely work

[tame lake]

i think they generally do work

wait for missiles or guns?

wanna practice in a party server?

[wheat laurel]

I’m gonna try to just stay low in a straight line killing u-boats until i get missiles. then i’ll fly up to 2.5k alt and boom n zoom ppl

that strategy may work for me

[wheat laurel]

can’t rn :/

i think my main issue is that i keep trying to apply BFM tactics even though it’s a game and the physics work differently

also does anyone have any tips for shaking someone off of their tail? i swear the moment someone is behind me there’s nothing i can do

how do you play on mobile?

when i go to the site i can’t click on anything

[olive hemlock]

if you're significantly faster than them, it may help to speed away without turning (which makes your hitbox bigger on their screen)

if you're more maneuverable, then get into a turnfight by turning sharply

otherwise, set throttle to 0 and pull up sharply and hope they coast right by you

[tame lake]

https://tenor.com/view/top-gun-cobra-maneuvre-cobra-maneuvre-maverick-gif-18428942

[halcyon phoenix]

Ig Gripen should be lvl 11 bc of its good maneuvering, small hitbox and 6 AIM-9s what it c an carry :)

[halcyon phoenix]

lmao fr like I have died so many times bc of their missiles

[steel heron]

Its not even your plane

[tame lake]

I don’t think gripen is better than the f15

[halcyon phoenix]

Hmm they are different things so idk

[tribal thicket]

You're right

This one is

[mortal token]

never giving up

@steel heron guess what it is

[steel heron]

https://tenor.com/view/dizzy-emoji-gif-27288863

A missile

[mortal token]

AIM9C For the F-35

[steel heron]

Theres going to be an F35 in Turnfight?

[mortal token]

yes, by sirsnow

[steel heron]

https://tenor.com/view/abster-abstract-abstractchain-carefree-consumer-gif-594219808266269559

[wheat laurel]

i think the F-35 uses the AIM-9x

AIM-9C is quite old. it was used in the 1960s during the Vietnam war, but shot down no enemies after 1000 launches 💀

[mortal token]

Couldnt find good blueprints for the 9X. That was what I was originally going to make

[wheat laurel]

if you can't make the 9X then go with the 9M

[young dagger]

if you aren’t going to be able to make the 22 id rather make that than the 35 anyway
But f15 first

[mortal token]

No problem bro

[young dagger]

ok and btw im making the f15 first bc owl is making eurofighter
Cant make it for another 1.5 weeks tho sorry

[umbral dawn]

I made more progress on the fuselage but I forgot to send yesterday

[young dagger]

Awesomeness (it will be between f86 and f104 right?)
I suppose i will have to make a plane to pair with it once i finish the f15 (i cant start it yet)

[umbral dawn]

Yeah

[young dagger]

Which plane are you modeling?

[wheat laurel]

i think he's doing the CF-100 Mk3

[young dagger]

well that could pair well with the f89, they have the same aramament anyway but might be kinda too similar
Ill think if smth else

[wheat laurel]

the cf-100mk3 is honestly better than the f89

since they're both similar only the cf-100 will get done i think

[young dagger]

how about the f11f? Fewer rockets but it has guns

i want to make something to pair with the cf100, id rather that its not alone
same with the typhoon, ill make an f15

[wheat laurel]

idk tbh. ideally we need unique aircraft

f-15 is cool though

[young dagger]

yeah

[wheat laurel]

i was thinking about a unique jet being the de havilland sea vixen

it has 4 heat-seeking missiles but no guns

might be too niche though

[mortal token]

F-14?

[young dagger]

not yet lets pair up everything thats already geing made first 💀

[young dagger]

yeah the water landing seems a little niche for now

[wheat laurel]

the water landing is the sea dart

that one is cool cause it has missiles and guns

but yeah, prolly too niche

[young dagger]

too advanced to match with a plane that only has aa rockets

[young dagger]

also that is all lvl 6+ planes

[wheat laurel]

what if you just put the cf-100 with the f-86 and j-5 until we get a suitable jet to get paired with it?

maybe the hawker hunter?

or the gloster javelin

my top picks to get paired with the cf-100 are:

• Sud Aviation Vautour
• Gloster Javelin
• Hawker Hunter

[olive hemlock]

I won't pre-judge which level things will go in, and levels are subject to change, but I'll try to make things work as well as possible

[wheat laurel]

my personal pick would be the vautour and then the javelin for uniqueness

[young dagger]

vautour seems best

[wheat laurel]

yeah but it's armament is pretty standard with 2 x 30mm guns

and it looks basic

the javelin has a nice big delta wing and the vautour has wing-mounted engines

[young dagger]

4 x 30 mm actually

[wheat laurel]

oh my bad you're right about that

they all have 4 x 30mm i think

[young dagger]

i think the vautour is more balanced just dobt give it hard points

so:
One has aa rockets
The other has 4 x 30 mm cannons

ill make it (vauntour) after the f15 then

[wheat laurel]

Vautour irl could also carry bombs or manually guided missiles

i think manually guided would be very cool

[young dagger]

balance reasons should not allow them

[young dagger]

a little compicated for now but maybe one day

[wheat laurel]

i mean you would just fire and then have it follow the cursor

[young dagger]

ok sure but until sq approves them it will have 4 x 30 mm cannons only
If sq approves then sure, manually guided missiles seem cool

[wheat laurel]

i could make it if you want to focus on the f-15

[halcyon phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[wheat laurel]

i plan to finish the eurofighter within a week and then i can do the vautour

[young dagger]

nah its alr buti wont have access to a computer for like 1.5 weeks so be patient

[young dagger]

if you want/can, sounds gud

[wheat laurel]

yeah dw about it

i’ll start it next week

[young dagger]

ok so ig ill just make F15 when i can

[umbral dawn]

i looks like an f100 without the cose cone

[umbral dawn]

whats better for a control surface/wing/stabilizer a plane or a circle?

[olive hemlock]

it needs thickness, so the choices are cube or cylinder

i personally use cubes but everyone else has been using cylinders and it has worked well for them

[tame lake]

wouldnt a cube with bevels make the most sense?

i mean, a cylinder is more or less a cube with bevels but you have less control

[olive hemlock]

you can try that but I think the detail will be concentrated at the edge with not enough to make the teardrop shape

[wheat laurel]

i generally use cylinders because it’s already rounded and much easier to shape into a wing

[mortal token]

breh

had to restart due to an extrusion problem

I just need help with the tapering nose cone

[mortal token]

kinda decent for first model

bit more details to be added

[steel heron]

I'm alive raptor

[mortal token]

??

[steel heron]

I'm alive

[mortal token]

ok?

[steel heron]

Yes?

[steel heron]

@olive hemlock can you make the flares more responsive???

The moment I see missile inbound I drop all flares and still it hits

For what reason was flares added?

A toy to play with???

[halcyon phoenix]

For me they work very well

and bots too

[tawny steeple]

you could be a bit polite while giving a criticism .. the below highlighted messages are a bit rude and demanding .
Thank you for understanding

[steel heron]

I understand that but I have observed in every situation I encounter a problem

[craggy finch]

You have to turn hard and drop flares for maximum effect.

[steel heron]

And you know how it feels after getting a great score and flying at mach x and then some random bot shoots you down with a single missile in a situation where my flares never respond even after turning up and down and letting all flares drop?

OOoo missile incoming!! - Drops all flares and does a high G manuver - BOOM, thats it, im dead it shot me

[olive hemlock]

flares work slightly better if you lower your throttle

[craggy finch]

Have experienced this many times. The best solution is to turn the moment you get a radar warning and then subsequently drop flares if a missile is incoming.

[steel heron]

I turned off my whole engine

to sopwith camel speed

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-jim-carrey-weird-gif-9170373

[steel heron]

I forgot what plane is this?

[umbral dawn]

cf100 canuck

[steel heron]

Hmm alright

[umbral dawn]

mirage 2000?

[craggy finch]

yes

[umbral dawn]

time to add the hump on the bottom

[umbral dawn]

seems about right

[mortal token]

the missile knows where it is at all times.....

[umbral dawn]

i added the section before the wing

[young dagger]

Sorry everyone but I will be leaving due to the fact that I realise that I need to spend more time on other things and I am easily distracted. I may return one day. Sorry, yes, that means I can't make that F-15 model.
EDIT: Btw, my experience here was overall quite positive and I learned a lot. Also, it wasn't taking up my time in a bad way yet, but I could see it abt to happen. Thanks @olive hemlock for the Blender tips, I do plan to go into some field of engineering one day so maybe blender can help me transition into some other CAD software.

[umbral dawn]

sad times, but its reasonable

[mortal token]

good enough?

ignore the blueprint, I turned it into an aim9x

[olive hemlock]

this looks great! I'd need to see the topology (vertices/edges/faces) to fully evaluate it.

[mortal token]

Final model

@olive hemlock

breh, might export this tmmrw

[olive hemlock]

630 vertices is within reason; slightly higher than other missiles but there is extra geometry at the nozzle. this should be fine.

if you want to contribute it to us for #turnfight, please export it in a general format (like glb, or obj) and license it under a license such as CC0 or CC-BY 4.0.

[mortal token]

this service exports as obj....will send this tomorrow

[olive hemlock]

sounds good 👌

[mortal token]

Lol, I never touched modelling and was able to create this beauty within a week

[olive hemlock]

thanks for creating it 🙂

[mortal token]

yw Squirrel, anytime

[halcyon phoenix]

how should I put blueprints to blender?

I tried once but it spawned very small

[olive hemlock]

in modern versions of blender, you do this by adding a "Image->Reference" object in object mode

they can be scaled like other objects

[halcyon phoenix]

got it thx

is there anything I should know when I start making JAS-39?

[olive hemlock]

20 edges for the fuselage, fewer for smaller cylinders

No zero thickness parts except canopy

Prioritize clean topology (mostly quad vertex faces)

Start with the blueprints to scale by aligning them to a plane that is the wingspan wide

None of this is specific to that plane

Oh and use modifiers when possible and don't apply them except when necessary

[halcyon phoenix]

k

[tribal thicket]

Almost unheard of for one's very first blender project to be a fighter jet

[halcyon phoenix]

yeah I see... XD

I will get this plane done after GTA 7 😄

[mortal token]

@olive hemlock How long till we get a long-ranged missile for turnfight. Might start modelling the AIM-120 AMRAAM for the F-15 then.

Also, the AIM-9X is for the F-15 only.

[wheat laurel]

it's looking pretty good now. i just need to remove the sharp edges on the canopy, smooth out the wings, add the splitter plate, and then add textures.

i'll also sharpen up the junction between the wings, intake and fuselage

[tribal thicket]

Given that the map is only a few kilometers across what exactly is the advantage of long range

[wheat laurel]

i think the benefit of radar missiles would be immunity to flares rather than range

[tribal thicket]

Flares are to IR as chaff is to radar

[wheat laurel]

yes but IR missiles are more susceptible to flares than radar missiles are to chaff

(based on war thunder gameplay)

[olive hemlock]

I might scale down all missile ranges, basically the same way I did in mk48

[craggy finch]

I came across a similar requirement instruction's on modelling an aircraft for turnfight. What exactly does 20 edges of resolution mean for the fuselage as its quite impossible to get that much detail as seen in the in game models with just 20 edges. I have also checked some of your models shared as examples and the main fuselage has around 700-1500 edges. Could you please explain what is meant by 20 edge's?

[tame lake]

i think that subdivision subsurfance might be used after the 20 edges

[steel heron]

Yea that's good because I get shot from the other side of the map

[halcyon phoenix]

skill issue

[steel heron]

After dropping flares too

After pulling up 10G

[steel heron]

Sa tüütad mind. Ma ei saa seda isegi heaks katseks nimetada, kuna sa lihtsalt kordad ülekasutatud tsitaati. Kui sa mind solvata kavatsed, siis tee see vähemalt originaalselt

[mortal token]

vait

ta oli alati parem

[steel heron]

Off topic stuff

Why do I even bother

[halcyon phoenix]

what is going on here 😭

[halcyon phoenix]

Didn't want to offend you so if you felt offended I'm very sorry

[umbral dawn]

im trying to make the sides of the engine flater also here is the start of the wing

[olive hemlock]

I mean 20 edges of resolution of the initial cylinder, meaning only edges around the cylinder count (not the edges of loop cuts or the caps)

blender defaults to 32 edges

I advise against subdivision surface on an already-detailed mesh, such as a 20 edge resolution cylinder

this cylinder has 7 "edges" of resolution (or, equivalently, vertices in each cap)

[craggy finch]

Thanks for clarifiying. I will adjust the model accordingly.

[umbral dawn]

thats alot of prototypes

[wheat laurel]

unfortunately my eurofighter is slightly behind schedule due to a combination of being busy personally and also running into troubles with the 24 face fuselage. unlike with 32 faces, i'm struggling to make it smooth so it's taking a bit more time. thanks for your patience

[olive hemlock]

There is no schedule

[wheat laurel]

yeah it's just that i had previously aimed at completing it by around now

just so people don't think that i gave up or anything

[tribal thicket]

That's wildly ambitious even for professional modelers

The rafale took more than a year to get to its current state

You're fine

[wheat laurel]

your rafale is extremely good. mine is a simple low poly model so it shouldn't take too long

this is what it looks like rn

it's only 2,000 verticies according to the blender stats, though

this is before GLTF export so it may turn out slightly higher

[umbral dawn]

2000?

[tribal thicket]

Gltf doesn't change vertex count

[olive hemlock]

Gltf splits normals so it increases vertices

[tribal thicket]

Oh interesting

[olive hemlock]

Yeah, gltf vertices have one normal. Blender vertices can have a normal per face.

[tawny steeple]

🔥

[wheat laurel]

yes

i hope that it’ll be detailed enough, but at the same time I don’t want to make too much work for squirrel like the f-104 (it had 6k when submitted)

[olive hemlock]

It wasn't too much work, and the good topology helped

[umbral dawn]

im at 3.4k

[olive hemlock]

I can trim it

[umbral dawn]

also do i need to rig it or nah?

[olive hemlock]

No rigging needed

[umbral dawn]

alright

[wheat laurel]

that’s good to hear. i kept the starfighter simple since it was my first plane, but the eurofighter is more complex so the topology may not be the greatest

[wheat laurel]

Update on the Eurofighter: I’m pretty much done the actual model and have now started adding textures.

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock so I may be able to make the F-15 model if I have time, so it's not a definite no
also, do you think that you could add a toggle for the aim helpers/guides so that more realistic-looking 1v1s can be played?

[olive hemlock]

realistic planes still have HUD, but it's in the cockpit (sometimes part of the pilot's helmet). to be clear, you don't want the crosshair, the small circle, the locked box, or the big circle?

regarding the F-15, there is absolutely no pressure to do it and no rush if you do it

[young dagger]

No, the crosshair and HUD are sensible but the little guidance box that appears in front of other planes is what I thought could be linked to a toggle.

[olive hemlock]

ah, so just the little aim helper. yeah, I can make a toggle for that.

[mortal token]

Rahh hes back

[umbral dawn]

and he left

[mortal token]

🥀

[umbral dawn]

i realzied this forum has 2000 messages

[mortal token]

deserved

[tawny steeple]

just a doubt , the canards in the fighter is a bit slanted than the normal wings right , In your model I am not sure as i cant see it properly from this angle , but is it slanted or straight ?

[craggy finch]

Progress on Mirage 2000.

[wheat laurel]

yes, the canards are angled downwards on my model.

[steel heron]

It'll be Silvery light blue in game ig

I think that's a good colour

[wheat laurel]

progress update:

[umbral dawn]

i realized

that the cf100's rudder is split in 2

😭

i was trying to looks up the rudder and finally i understand it because my blueplrint wasnt as detailed

[umbral dawn]

Could the cf-105 mark 1 be added in game if modeled

or not due to the fact that it never fire its had its fire control system implemented

[olive hemlock]

in all of our war games, we don't care about vehicle variations. we just pick one, or combine multiple. we will only add one CF-105, but it doesn't matter which one.

[wheat laurel]

was happy getting a compliment in turnfight, until i re-read their username 😂

[wheat laurel]

@olive hemlock here's the eurofighter model. when you have time you can check it out and let me know if you want me to add details, make it smoother, re-work any parts, or basically any changes.

i tried keeping it low on the vertice count and made the fuselage out of a 24 face circle. i can increase it if needed.

[olive hemlock]

thanks very much, this is great, and I can fix any remaining issues 👌

if you want to contribute it to turnfight, please write a license statement

[wheat laurel]

ah okay perfect! I hereby license Eurofighter.blend under CC BY 4.0 - https://creativecommons.org/license/by/4.0/deed.en

now just a quick question, which do you prefer next?

• Sud Aviation Vautour
• Avro Arrow
• F-18
• F-16

or V bomber

[olive hemlock]

as far as ETA's go, there isn't one (other than "week(s)"), but I will not wait for more planes before updating #turnfight

[olive hemlock]

I personally like F-16 and F-18 (no preference between them)

[tawny steeple]

👀 eurofighter looks cool

[tawny steeple]

personally i dont like the f-18 looks small and weird

[umbral dawn]

which f18?

[tawny steeple]

hornet ig

[umbral dawn]

yk the super hornet exists right?

[tawny steeple]

looks no better

[wheat laurel]

i personally prefer the legacy hornet to the super hornet

[olive hemlock]

I don't care which hornet, but not adding both 😉

[wheat laurel]

yeah that would be too much hornet lol

i'm trying to think which would be most unique

like different from what we already have

[tawny steeple]

wait no russian jets or the rule has exception here?

[olive hemlock]

for now: Chinese derivatives
later: yes

[tawny steeple]

ahh , su-57 is really needed but yeah

j 20mighty dragon is good to

[olive hemlock]

we frequently get feedback from players that the game is unbalanced, so that will be fun to have 😉

[umbral dawn]

also export versions of russian weapons like missiles are allowed right?

[wheat laurel]

personally i find the balance to be pretty good because lvl 1 and 2 planes offer no incentive to shoot down, and other props can just out-turn high tier jets

the hardest ranks i find are early jets so i tend to skip those

[tawny steeple]

💀 maybe lobbies like netquel where certain level limit restricts higher level planes in it ..

[wheat laurel]

i usually go bf109 or spirfire -> j5

[olive hemlock]

I don't see the point of making an exception like this. China has it's own set of missiles.

[wheat laurel]

cause the me262 and vampire simply don't offer much advnatage over the props. you get better damage and slightly better speed, but they don't turn as well and can get locked onto by missiles

[wheat laurel]

just wait until we get Fox 3 missiles 💀

[olive hemlock]

planned #1498360214204715159 message

[tawny steeple]

@wheat laurel appreciate your model again , fyi i downloaded it too

[wheat laurel]

i already gave the nimitz model to squirrel, but i think that the iran war has delayed those plans

oh wait i just realised

[tawny steeple]

whts the context of this ? 💀

[wheat laurel]

i need to model the eurofighter's missiles

[wheat laurel]

bruh

👀

what missiles shall we give the eurofighter?

[tawny steeple]

i will send the list soon

[olive hemlock]

Raptor modeled the Iris T missile

[wheat laurel]

how does Meteor Fox 3 missiles with 120km range, mach 4 speed and 50g sound?

/j

[tawny steeple]

Holy Acronsss...

[olive hemlock]

it sounds fine to me, Eurofighter is just one step below stealth jets at the highest level

(don't worry about what it is one step above)

[wheat laurel]

and make sure to allow the eurofighter radar to track over 20 targets at once 🥹

eurofighter = instant server wipe

[tawny steeple]

"By Natural Selection , Weaklings shall perish" -> Turnfight Good example

[umbral dawn]

but you could just notch

[wheat laurel]

in turnfight? the map is tiny

you need at least like 5km for it to at least have a chance of working

[umbral dawn]

to implement 3+ gen fighters you need like a map twice or trice the size tbh

[wheat laurel]

or just nerf the eurofighter heavily ig

[olive hemlock]

the map is infinite, and i could make it so you lock the mirror image of the target (arbitrarily further away)

you could even lock the plane on your tail

[wheat laurel]

that might be op though

[olive hemlock]

nahhh, perfectly balanced game with no exploits

my other idea was just to cut all missile ranges by 50%

[wheat laurel]

120 km -> 60 km?

still kinda insane though lol

[umbral dawn]

its quite fun sniping someone on the dome with the r-27er-1

from 50 km away

[wheat laurel]

i hate facing those things

[tawny steeple]

or maybe have neutral ground air defences harming missiles making their damage less or intercepted ..

[umbral dawn]

i just use tws to track the enemy they won't get a lock warning

i use tws after launch

i locked on to fire and then i unlock the target

[wheat laurel]

mirage f1 radar is trash though

[umbral dawn]

it is

[wheat laurel]

i only use the ACM mode in headons to get reliable kills with the Super 530F

the SRC is garbage though

[umbral dawn]

anyways

elavators

[olive hemlock]

cool 🙂

[umbral dawn]

ty

[wheat laurel]

also won't the IRIS-T be crazy too?

25 km range IR missile that has 60G max overload

and IRCCM

[olive hemlock]

making it crazy isn't mandatory. i could just not simulate those full stats.

[wheat laurel]

yeah, i mean already the all-aspect part is a huge upgrade over the 3rd gen planes

even though the mirage could technically get the Magic 2

[olive hemlock]

I think Eurofighter makes sense as one step below stealth (F22)

it doesn't really make sense as one step above Mirage/A10, but I'll do it anyway, as I anticipate adding more levels in between later on

[wheat laurel]

i'm probably gonna do the legacy hornet next, so ig that it could go between the mirage/a-10 and eurofighter

cause then it's like 3rd gen -> 4th gen -> 4.5 gen -> 5th gen

which makes the most sense

[olive hemlock]

sure. just need to find some way to fudge the simulation so meteor doesn't make levels 1-7 go extinct

really long time to lock? really long time to reload? prioritizes higher level targets? really hard to use?

[wheat laurel]

yeah lol

we're gonna have to give props and early jets some sort of immunity though

[umbral dawn]

i feel like prioritzing higher levels is the best option

[tribal thicket]

Something about the idea of using a meteor on a biplane

Is hilarious

Honestly I think we're trying to do too much

If you look at metalstorm the lowest tier f-5 still has a decent chance against the highest tier f-22

And you still have a reasonable chance of winning in ace combat with a mig-21

In both cases even the lowest tiers are missile capable jets

[umbral dawn]

ailerons

[wheat laurel]

that looks really nice

[umbral dawn]

ty

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock So, I had an interesting idea...

What if we add F/A-18 Growler? Two AIM-9J missiles, 1 cannon, and the jem, the electronic warfare armaments.
They would have a similar HUD as radar guided missiles, they follow your view and can lock planes and missiles. They tell you some info on the thing you have locked, and then, you can jam it (range is of course to be taken into account).

Jamming something basically just messes with the connection/radar. Jamming a missile (only works for radar-guided missiles) makes it stop tracking it's target, as long as it is being jammed. Once you stop jamming it, it will regain connection with it's parent plane and resume guidance. Similarily, jamming a plane messes with it's radar. It can't recieve missile warnings, and will stop connecting with any radar-guided missiles that it has fired. Again, it resumes connection once you stop jamming it.

Also, shouldn't infared missiles not give any lock warning? I think the missile indound warning is enough, anyway (radar missiles do give lock warning)

[umbral dawn]

Doesn't the E/a-18 growler not have vulcan?

[tame lake]

it does not have a vulcan

also growler is e/a-18 not f

[olive hemlock]

thanks, this is indeed interesting. in a future version of the game, perhaps a ECM pod could be added to an F18 to simulate this.

[mortal token]

Now that's sick

[mortal token]

F-16

[mortal token]

And the AIM-132 ASRAAM, check #1507770246214455458

This is specifically used by the RAF on their Eurofighters.

Maybe give it 4 this time.

[steel heron]

Secret world in blender again?

the glass

[mortal token]

Might start modelling an AIM-120

should I?

[olive hemlock]

if you want to, sure, I think I'll need one eventually

[steel heron]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-gifkk-anime-kiss-gif-15452416972381341195

[umbral dawn]

Exported su30s to Venezuela

[olive hemlock]

the J-11, J-15, and J-16 (China) are similar to the Su-30 and don't require making an exception

[mortal token]

What about the ones sold to India and Malaysia. SU-30MKI and SU-30MKM

[steel heron]

Squirrel ive had this doubt but why do specifically consider only the Chinese versions of the Mig Aircraft?, like the Mig-17 is basically the J-5, and the J-7 is basically the Mig-21

Why is only the Chinese variant names added to the game?

Like specifically

[tribal thicket]

Wants to avoid glorifying Russian equipment given the current situation

Although personally I don't understand how calling a mig-17 a mig-17 glorifies the war

[steel heron]

Didn't understand, ok nvm I understood

[craggy finch]

Added vertical stabilizer and cockpit.

[tawny steeple]

if I am not wrong the nose is a bit different from the real ig

[craggy finch]

I think that's because i have not yet added the pitot tube ( the pointy thing Infront of the nose cone) and the refuelling probe.

[steel heron]

I don't feel well doctor

My chest hurts

I feel something in the right ventricle 😑

Moving around

Can you help me doc?😞

[steel heron]

I was gonna say can Squirrel add a blue camo for this in Turnfight

Like the style of Green camo for Mirage

[steel heron]

Is that required? Ok you know what add it for realism

[young dagger]

oopsie

[young dagger]

ok, well honestly that makes it easier so that we stick to a current two-weapon basis

Also, all these models look beautiful! I'm jealous lol.
Hopefully I'll have about 90mins to model smth next friday

[young dagger]

@wheat laurel Mitsubishi F-2 is slightly bigger than F-16. Do you think that would be cool or just unessecary confusion...?

[wheat laurel]

i think that either the F2 or F16 would work

in terms of confusion it shouldn’t really matter because we already have the J5 and J7 that are basically just Migs

[young dagger]

@mortal token btw, what are you using to make these models
is it in browser?

[mortal token]

Yes

[craggy finch]

Added refuleling probe, pitot tube, ailerons and flaps.

[young dagger]

what is the site

[mortal token]

Figuro designer

[umbral dawn]

the rear looks kinda

[tribal thicket]

Why is the engine cut off

[wheat laurel]

work on the F/A-18 Hornet has officially begun 🎉

[umbral dawn]

do i need the fan for the engine?

[young dagger]

Only what's visible I think
EDIT: looking at the picture it seems the fan is visible so yeah ig

[young dagger]

I would just make a basic fan to block out the view of the wing cross-section, and then make it dark around that

[craggy finch]

This image was meant to show the refueling probe and remodelled nose cone, hence i zoomed at the nosecone resulting tn the engine appearing to be cut off.

[tribal thicket]

No the intakes are actually cut off

[craggy finch]

Are you reffering to the intakes like in the above image?

Like the intakes merged into the fuelage as above?

[steel heron]

The intakes are merged into the fuselage

Can you merge them in your model?

[craggy finch]

i will do that after adding the gun as its location is quite confusing.

[tribal thicket]

I would not recommend that

The intakes are structural

The gun is a detail

[umbral dawn]

i still don't have that much of an idea on how

[craggy finch]

it sits right between the intakes and main fuselage

[tribal thicket]

You do you

[umbral dawn]

what are the limitations on livery/camos of planes?

[olive hemlock]

camo: currently, the texture has to be seamlessly repeating. we have to have the rights to use it.
everything else: use blender Principled BSDF

example camo:

[steel heron]

Turn that into blue for the Mirage 2000

[olive hemlock]

here's the source file

[umbral dawn]

im gonn have to remake the canopy

it looks horrid after comparing it to the bp

[tribal thicket]

Any plans for more advanced textures? Solid gray with no details whatsoever feels kinda cheap

[olive hemlock]

maybe in the future, but no concrete plans. I don't have much experience with texture workflows

[tribal thicket]

Is there any reason custom textures are not supported now?

[olive hemlock]

I don't have any custom textures to test with, or the ability to create them

the UV maps are pretty bad right now

[tribal thicket]

I don't remember if the MF1 was unwrapped when I gave it to you

But if it was I have a uv template

You can also test the f-35 after I texture it

[umbral dawn]

progres son canopy

[tribal thicket]

f-35 panel lines

[tribal thicket]

one trick i came up with is to duplicate and separate parts of the mesh that may or may not receive details

that way the base mesh gets the panel lines and other details that are permanent

then give the duplicate parts a separate texture that is transparent almost everywhere except for the detail to be added

just like decals

[steel heron]

Is this gonna be added?

[mortal token]

https://tenor.com/view/son-im-crine-son-im-crine-gif-5176045023480767429

[steel heron]

ofc

[steel heron]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-smash-keyboard-streamer-twitch-gif-27138844

[mortal token]

F-35C right?

[tribal thicket]

We'll see

[steel heron]

https://tenor.com/view/whine-give-up-pout-frustrated-gif-5313242348381105216

[tribal thicket]

You don't want to see?

[umbral dawn]

are one of these liveries possible for turnfight?

[mortal token]

number 1 should be possible

[tawny steeple]

Number 2 looks more like a fire fighting plane camo :/

[steel heron]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-see-that-lemme-see-dat-come-here-come-gif-3443633064316917202

[olive hemlock]

Both are, except the symbols

[young dagger]

I will get the plans set up

[young dagger]

lol I didnt pack the blueprints into the file

[umbral dawn]

Maybe it’s the flag of Canada

[wheat laurel]

fwiw, the f-18 will probably take longer to make than the eurofighter did because i’m quite busy at the moment. so no need to wait for the f-18 before adding the eurofighter

[tribal thicket]

Is the EUFI done already

[olive hemlock]

yeah, it's been submitted. I haven't added it yet

[tribal thicket]

speed is honestly impressive

mind if i take a look

[olive hemlock]

#1498360214204715159 message

[tribal thicket]

why the massive crease

[olive hemlock]

don't worry I can fix this

[umbral dawn]

i dont have that much of a clue on how to paint it

[tribal thicket]

why are there 16 materials

assign any one of them to the canopy, turn metallic up and roughness down

[umbral dawn]

i have no idea

[olive hemlock]

worst case, I can paint it in ~5 minutes

the idea is to apply colored materials (ideally based on existing plane blend file materials) to various parts

[tribal thicket]

texturing is the most fun part of making planes ngl

wait are all the "textures" in mk48 actually meshes

like the deck markings on destroyers

[olive hemlock]

exactly

[umbral dawn]

i really need to paint this

[olive hemlock]

if you're done with the model's shape, I can take over and paint it the red and white scheme

[wheat laurel]

i used a circle with only 24 faces so i was unable to smoothen it out

if i had used 32 like on the starfighter then there wouldn’t have been one

[tribal thicket]

That's a bit... Inefficient

[tribal thicket]

that's not the problem

that's more than enough geometry to smooth it out

[olive hemlock]

looks like excessive proportional editing. I can fix it though.

[tribal thicket]

i hardly ever use proportional editing lol

[young dagger]

also you may want to fill in the nose 👉 👈
looks very nice though

[tribal thicket]

I may be able to see typhoons next week

irl

[young dagger]

nice! where I am there aren't any european planes. I was able to sit in an F-5, which got exported, though

[olive hemlock]

I'm happy to fix small things like this. I check everything 👌

[umbral dawn]

Acctually from my knowledge it’s more greyish then white since the white of it is a reflection from the snow

Also, i am done the model of the cf100 but do i need to make the holes where the 0.50cals go?

[olive hemlock]

you're welcome to add boolean modifiers for those holes. or I can do it.

[umbral dawn]

I'll to do that

[wheat laurel]

i tried to but it kept deforming it so i kinda just left it as is. also what is proportional editing?

i’ll try to make the f-18 even more detailed

[tame lake]

proportional editing is a feature in belnder

basically it moves the vertices in a certain radius around the things you are editing

and i believe the distance those are moved is proportional to the distance from what you are editing

[young dagger]

(not done ofc)

[umbral dawn]

@olive hemlock i've done the boolean for the 8 0.50cals

[olive hemlock]

thanks! please make a statement regarding which license, if any, you are releasing this file under

I consider the following licenses to be compatible: CC-BY 4.0 or CC0

for example, you could say:

I hereby license Cf100.blend under CC-BY 4.0 - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/deed.en

[umbral dawn]

I hereby license Cf100.blend under CC-BY 4.0 - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/deed.en

[olive hemlock]

thanks so much!

[young dagger]

awesome!!

Progress for tonight:

[umbral dawn]

Nice

[young dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/aww-really-bunny-thanks-shy-gif-1511997959966239015

[young dagger]

oh and I suppose I could model a fan but more likely ill just color the inside of the intakes black

[tribal thicket]

the belly shape is off by quite a bit

[umbral dawn]

Yeah I couldn’t get it right

[young dagger]

it seems that all that really need to be done is lower the intakes' bottom, but anyway it will be less noticeable with paint on in-game

[young dagger]

beautiful

finished canopy (everything else needs a ton of work and corrections)

[olive hemlock]

so cool!

[mortal token]

Never seen turnfight this active before

[steel heron]

Yes lol

When i first started playing turnfight and continued on I thought this was a great game developed and the developer ceased development

But what I dreamt of in that time ( The dev updates it with new planes ) Is happening now

[tribal thicket]

I'll have to see it to believe it

[tribal thicket]

This is why I don't like kitbashing primitives because it's hard to get the connections accurate

I prefer extruding

[olive hemlock]

I will improve it

(my TODO list is getting long though)

[young dagger]

fr

[young dagger]

I'm going to rework the canopy btw, some things could have been done much better

[tribal thicket]

does anyone have a better way to add panel lines 😭

i don't want to hand draw every single one

[wheat laurel]

my models are super basic so idk lol

[young dagger]

Hmm, maybe you could get official panel line plans and set them on as a texture somehow?

@olive hemlock so far all planes besides B-17 are single seater, would it be OK if F-15 is double seater?

or I could make F-15C, but models get mixed in this game anyway

[olive hemlock]

that's fine with me, but the extra pilot and seat both count towards vertices

mixing variants is also fine (and probably better in this case)

[tribal thicket]

i have yet to find a suitable one

[young dagger]

hmm, ok
i dont have any other ideas, then

also why is modeling an F-15 so frustrating (for me at least)

[tribal thicket]

have you modeled anything before

[tribal thicket]

apologies

i don't keep track of who made what

well an f-15 is several steps up from a j-7

[young dagger]

A6M was harder than J-7 xD
anyway F-15 is coming along

[tribal thicket]

oh this is gonna be fun

[young dagger]

my silly brain thought that the radar was a tiny cockpit 💀

[olive hemlock]

I think that's a camera system that allows the pilot to see "through" the aircraft, which is a bit like an extension of the cockpit canopy

[young dagger]

oh, interesting

I wasted 20 minutes trying to make a more pefessional canopy only to realise that it looked the same (difference being that i had no cross-meshes) and it had a ton of extra vertices
I'll continue my normal path now lol

[tribal thicket]

"Blizzard"

inspired by USAF 65AGRS

[young dagger]

beautiful 😍

[tribal thicket]

thumbnail as for how it might appear

[young dagger]

the game would crash the moment the first person selects it though

[tribal thicket]

eh it's only 7000 tris and not even optimized yet

[young dagger]

hmm, way better than I thought

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock btw, if helicopters ever do get added, I was thinking, and I realised that the user interface for controls would b the exact same since you just tell the vehicle where to point it's nose. You have to be more skilled (you point down OR press W (down) and look forwards to move forwards, etc) but there would be no large changes needed

[tribal thicket]

lets not get too ahead of ourselves

[young dagger]

never, never...

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock needs work for sure (I need to fix the fuselage merge on the side, and the wings and vertical stabilizers will be remodeled to incorporate control surfaces) but I'm happy with it for now

oh and I need to fix inverted surfaces

[olive hemlock]

wow, this looks amazing, thanks!

[young dagger]

slightly improved

[young dagger]

slightly better yet (fixed horizontal tail fin)

[tame lake]

isnt the cf-5 literally just an f5 copy

[young dagger]

Landcaster, canada used it, we need bombers, also I think Owl said that they has a specific deep fondness for CF-5

[young dagger]

no, slightly changed

[tame lake]

barely

[young dagger]

still, something plus if we could add CF-5 why add F-5, it's nice to have diversity in the game

[tame lake]

people who know some amount of stuff about planes but not a lot might be familiar with the f-5

they are much less likely to be familiar with the cf-5/cf-116

[young dagger]

exactly. let's introduce them

[tame lake]

my point is that they will have no idea what a f-5 is and so they wont know whether it is a good choice

for example, if i see an f16 and a f14 pop up in my screen

and i know a bit about them

[umbral dawn]

welp my friend is gonna be quite happy

[tame lake]

i might know the f16 is a light fighter and the f14 is a heavy fighter, which influences which one i pick

[umbral dawn]

he has a deep love of the avro lancaster

[tame lake]

but if they are two planes i have never heard of then i wont know what to pick

[young dagger]

ok, but you can pick one and figure it out, learn for the future. I think that showing people new planes is not a bad idea.

[umbral dawn]

Diversity is good tbh it feels like mostly chinese and american planes tbh

[young dagger]

fr

[umbral dawn]

it seems like the avro lancaster is quite easy

from what it looks like

its just very flat

[young dagger]

never be too sure 💀

[umbral dawn]

The fun part is that ive seen it irl

its sounds simply lovely

[young dagger]

nice!

[umbral dawn]

It just seems like a very large rectangular prism with rounded corners and wings

[steel heron]

How cool, I actually ended up going to the turnfight help page to see if this was there

[young dagger]

lol

@olive hemlock I'll call it a day at this. If you think anything needs fixing, tell me. I think there are probably a great deal of things that do need fixing. Plus, I haven't added the gun yet. I'll give you the statement in case I don't have time later for any of these things...

I hereby license **F15Eagle.blend ** under CC-BY 4.0.
To view the license: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/deed.en

[umbral dawn]

the model looks very peak

for doing it in such a small duration

[young dagger]

It occured to me you might want the blueprints in the file. Does this work?

[olive hemlock]

no, you'd need to Pack external data into blend in the file->external data menu 👌

[wheat laurel]

i do plan to model the cf-5 in the future but i want to make it very nice due to a personal connection to that aircraft (it’s the aircraft that my father flew when he was in the forces). if it does get added to the game then it could just be called f-5 (they look nearly identical)

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock with blueprints

I, [SSL] sirsnow (sirsnowrepuls_13198), hereby license F15Eagle.blend under CC-BY 4.0.
To view the license: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/deed.en

[olive hemlock]

that's epic, cf-5 it is

[olive hemlock]

thanks so much!

important: since so many models have been generously contributed, and more are WIP, I've written a new "Update goal" statement in #1506110673757667439 message to acknowledge the potential limitations of me adding models in future updates

[young dagger]

Given that they were made first, the CF-100 and Eurofighter Typhoon should be added (I assume they are both ready) (?)
F-15 and Mirage 2000 could be reserved for next update

[olive hemlock]

I will explicitly avoid first-come/first-served because it incentivises rushing, rather than quality 😉

[wheat laurel]

also you can add that the f-18 is WIP

[young dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/fly-over-top-gun-maverick-flying-do-a-loop-stunt-gif-25250294

[wheat laurel]

after the f-18 i’m like 90% sure that i’ll do the cf-5, but i can’t give an ETA since i’m quite busy rn

[steel heron]

I hope this would be possible in turnfight

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock oops, I need to fix the elevator. ill give you the updated model

[olive hemlock]

if you just mean fixing normals, don't worry about that. it's fairly easy for me to fix.

[steel heron]

¿Funcionará esa maniobra? ⬆️

[young dagger]

er, no a blueprint thing

I, [SSL] sirsnow (sirsnowrepuls_13198), hereby license F15Eagle.blend under CC-BY 4.0.
To view the license: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/deed.en
@olive hemlock good night

(though it will have AIM-9X not J)

[olive hemlock]

thanks very much!

[tribal thicket]

To be completely honest the bar for quality isn't super high either

And there's only so much quality you can have from 3k polys

[olive hemlock]

Quality has certain connotations that do not apply. What I meant was how well the model fits Turnfight before I edit it

[steel heron]

OK, now🫰 when will this be added😁

[tribal thicket]

And thus the curious possibility of a conventional high-quality model being considered "low-quality" model by turnfight definitions

[young dagger]

in the middle of fixing

@olive hemlock sorry f15 is not ready yet

[tribal thicket]

why send the file in the middle of a fix

what is this 💀

[young dagger]

to show that i'm fixing it 👌

[tribal thicket]

wouldn't it make more sense to show us after you fix it

[young dagger]

maybe

[mortal token]

aww crap

[tawny steeple]

😭 We are going to see the extinction of props soon

[mortal token]

who needs those two in the cockpit anyways

[young dagger]

fr, with all-aspect missiles

[young dagger]

?

[mortal token]

also, hows my first plen looking

[mortal token]

these guys

[young dagger]

excellent

[young dagger]

that's not what i'm fixing 💀

[mortal token]

Fix whatever you see fit. Its just sad to have such a peak model of an in-demand aircraft get scrapped for renovation.

[tawny steeple]

🔥

[young dagger]

slightly fixed, ill finish tmrw if i can

[craggy finch]

I, Rael 1732 ( jas_39_saab), hereby license Mirage_2000.blend under CC-BY 4.0- https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/deed.en

[young dagger]

awesome!

@olive hemlock final i think (unscaled and without pilot but at least the model is good-ish now) I probably wont have time for anything else
I, [SSL] sirsnow (sirsnowrepuls_13198), hereby license F15Eagle.blend under CC-BY 4.0.
To view the license: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/deed.en

[young dagger]

you may want to edit out the "I hereby license Cf100.blend under CC-BY 4.0 -" part

[craggy finch]

thanks, accidently typed it after copy pasting.

[olive hemlock]

thanks so much!

[olive hemlock]

awesome, thank you!

[craggy finch]

You might have to fix the gun booleans as i was not able to get the required depth and angle.

[tribal thicket]

control surfaces are iffy

[wheat laurel]

@olive hemlock out of curiosity, about how much work time did it take you to prepare the f-104 and the eurofighter? i’m trying to make the f-18 as good as i can because i feel like my previous models are slightly lacking. any suggestions?

like I want to minimize the amount of work that you have to put into it

[tribal thicket]

the f-15's bulges on the dorsal side are also inaccurate

[olive hemlock]

I can fix these

[craggy finch]

any idea on how to fix it?

[tribal thicket]

sq's on it

[olive hemlock]

f-104 took several hours, which was fine, most notably to fix the geometry at the back of the plane and remove detail
haven't started Eurofighter yet

I listed some common issues in the Model wishlist post

[craggy finch]

It would be helpful for future models.

[tribal thicket]

align your edges/faces/vertices for starters

[olive hemlock]

ok, number one thing is to ignore flaps and only make ailerons (which are usually very small)

number two thing is to model the wing first and then cut out the control surfaces (e.g. with boolean modifiers)

[craggy finch]

noted.

[wheat laurel]

several hours

ima make sure that the f-18 is spotless 👌

[olive hemlock]

still, saved ~80% the time it would have taken me to model from scratch

[wheat laurel]

that starfighter was my first plane model ever, so i’m starting to get the hang of it now

i also just realized how easy mk48 ships are compared to 3d planes 😅

[olive hemlock]

I'm willing to spend hours for every turnfight update but, when many models need major fixes, I feel a bit overwhelmed which is why I posted the "Update goal" statement in Model wishlist. I could probably add more than 2 very-ready models in an update.

mk48 = add any amount of vertices anywhere because the game only sees an image, can omit the bottom of the ship

[wheat laurel]

yeah like ik that you’re very busy so i want to make them as ready as possible.

are you working on voxmaxa for the next update?

[tawny steeple]

hope its mk

[wheat laurel]

yeah the Nimitz and Choe Hyon would be cool

[tawny steeple]

i wanna see the KPN Choe Hyon 😉

[wheat laurel]

but generally for an update there would need other changes too cause otherwise squirrel would be disrupting the servers simply to add two ships

[tawny steeple]

rank status etc >_<

[wheat laurel]

ah true

[tawny steeple]

ig its 2 mnths since we finsihed modelling the nimitz and choe hyon

[wheat laurel]

ig Nimitz could be added now since the Iran war is technically “over” according to the us

[tawny steeple]

ig it was arnd march last week

[tawny steeple]

Kuwait and Bahrain now lol

[wheat laurel]

wait but then will my f-18 model not be allowed since the us uses them in Iran?

or is that okay?

[tawny steeple]

[wheat laurel]

hmm but the US uses the Super Hornet and i’m modelling the legacy Hornet. so . . . should be ok 🤔

[tribal thicket]

Well if the rule was applied fairly there shouldn't be any american asset added at all

[wheat laurel]

true, the starfighter was added during the war and it’s american

[tawny steeple]

maybe consider the f-15 is of someother country >_<

[tribal thicket]

Oh yeah I didn't even realize that lmao

[wheat laurel]

maybe the rule doesn’t apply to turnfight since planes don’t project the same connotations or messages as do warships

[tribal thicket]

Well we don't even call the mig-17 the mig-17

[wheat laurel]

like the Nimitz is just straight power projection

planes are different ig

[tawny steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/excuses-files-cabinet-gif-12019483

[wheat laurel]

idk lol

[tribal thicket]

Nor the mig-21 the mig-21

Nor the su-27 the su-27

[wheat laurel]

we have the su-27 👀

[tribal thicket]

Wishlist

Named every flanker variant not made by Sukhoi

[olive hemlock]

I am busy on a voxmax update right now (adding game mode(s))

[olive hemlock]

server disruptions for updates have very little measurable effect on us or player experience

[olive hemlock]

I'm still hoping for a better-looking F35 model for it (the alternative is me editing the current one)

[tribal thicket]

"War that US got into and couldn't get out of is now over according to the US" doesn't sound like a very credible claim

Heck if that's true then according to Russia there is no war in ukraine

[wheat laurel]

idk i'm just saying what the US said

it's hard though to really draw a line between being at war and not being at war

[wheat laurel]

yeah we would need an alternative since mine is 💀

[tribal thicket]

Hence why if you do that for the US you may as well do it for russia

[wheat laurel]

well i'm not saying it's true

[tribal thicket]

Which then leads to the rather uncomfortable question of how much mental gymnastics you're doing to excuse american assets while excluding Russian (and Soviet) assets

[tawny steeple]

https://discord.com/channels/847143438939717663/1453088656091775086 we cld use this forum , lol

[wheat laurel]

the strikes in iran have gone down dramatically. the russia ukraine war is still going full strength without any signs of slowing down

like idk, i just want the nimitz to be allowed into mk and the f-18 allowed in turnfight lol

[tribal thicket]

Iran is as much a stalemate as Ukraine is

[tribal thicket]

And I wanted all the weird and crazy Soviet nuclear subs

But here we are

[olive hemlock]

the US has been negotiating a resolution to the conflict with Iran incompetently, in bad faith, and with minimal effort

that said, for the purpose of not glorifying an ongoing offensive war, it is sufficient for military activities by the US within Iran (and territorial waters) to be discontinued at the time of the game update.

[wheat laurel]

i don't really want to discuss the wars too much since it's against the rules of this server, but the war in ukraine is a much larger war than in iran. part of ukraine is currently occupied by a ground invasion whereas iran is facing isolated air strikes rn. the differences are quite large.

[wheat laurel]

yeah some of them are really cool, but in any case we already have many soviet subs in mk48

[olive hemlock]

once Russia stops attacking Ukraine, I could see adding subs like Typhoon (if we add SLBM's) or the other unique ones.

[wheat laurel]

44 knots papa class 🗿

[olive hemlock]

yeah, that one too

[umbral dawn]

A realized that my cf100 is a tandem seater

[tribal thicket]

That's not the point
Isolated (and unprovoked) airstrikes do not make a war "inactive"

[wheat laurel]

unprovoked is debatable, and the war is still considerably different than the one in Ukraine. but yes, it does appear to still be ongoing since there is no lasting solution in place and weapons continue being used.

[young dagger]

I can fix this on friday, hopefully

[young dagger]

given that F-15 is being used in Iran then no need to add it

@tribal thicket better?

needs the gun though

[mortal token]

Cmon bro thats fine. We're not making DCS over here.

[umbral dawn]

Can we manually controlled turrets for bombers?

[tribal thicket]

Not an excuse for producing inaccurate models

[craggy finch]

Squirrel himself said that not all details have to be added

[tribal thicket]

He didn't say you could invent the shapes of the bulges either

[tribal thicket]

And even then only if references and blueprints are unavailable

[craggy finch]

Minor bulges like that can easily be fixed though.

[tribal thicket]

Then fix it

[tribal thicket]

Also not if they're structural

Especially if they're kitbashes of primitives like these ones are

Since it's impossible to properly control their shape

[craggy finch]

I am not the one modelling it, plus @young dagger has made an impressive model for turnfight and has volunteered many other models. Its not that serious of a structural change and does not affect the gameplay in any way.

[tribal thicket]

Then why are you getting so defensive?

I appreciate their ambition and all I'm giving is constructive criticism, but if you can't take that I can't help you

Even more incomprehensible is why you're getting triggered on his behalf

[young dagger]

not fine yet
done by tonight i hope

guys, mirage is completely right and I am thankful to them for pointing out what I need to fix ❤️

[olive hemlock]

people can decide for themselves whether they want harsh criticism of their work

[young dagger]

oops, I have blender 5.1.2 is this an issue

[young dagger]

thanks, but still inacuraccy != less detailed

[tribal thicket]

you can't possibly believe that's "harsh"

[young dagger]

idk abt squiggle but thanks for the tips, I'll work on the F15

[tribal thicket]

for more advanced shapes (like the f-15) instead of merging cylinders and cubes adjust your vertices to fit the curves and extrude

[young dagger]

yeah, I did that

[umbral dawn]

the main tail of the fuselage section is done

[olive hemlock]

your desire for (harsh) criticism is entirely consistent with what I said - that people can decide whether they want it 👍

[umbral dawn]

Squirrel do you plan for players to be able to control their turrets for bombers

[olive hemlock]

probably yes, eventually

[young dagger]

yeah that would be lovely

[tribal thicket]

how would that even work

there's a reason the pilots don't control the gun turrets irl either

[young dagger]

true, but turnfight lets you control the whole plane, sort of like a stategist, so your turret guns could just follow your aim (when they can)

[umbral dawn]

Also would the turrets of bombers get the acctual number of guns that they acctually have.

[umbral dawn]

turnfight isnt gonna be like dcs

[tribal thicket]

one person was never meant to control both the aircraft and the guns

[tribal thicket]

who said anything about dcs

the workload of controlling the plane and the guns are too much for one player

cough cough balance

[umbral dawn]

cough cough war thunder

[olive hemlock]

I can't guarantee this

[umbral dawn]

i was saying they are controlled by the bot normally but when you press a button it lets you control the turrets

[tame lake]

crashes

[wheat laurel]

it works in war thunder

[young dagger]

one person was never meant to control and F-14, either. So, there are two ways to do it:

1. it's a game after all - let one player control the whole plane
   OR
2. (an interesting idea) let players team up in planes realistically, with each player getting a part in a plane. somehow would have to make a way for teamates to abandon their plane and join your plane (or request so).
   Though it would be like:
   SSL Sirsnow - A6M - 1/1
   SSL Raptor - F22 - 1/1
   SSL Guest - F14 - 1/2 Join <-- you click join to join their plane

very vague but yeah

[tribal thicket]

The RIO's sole job was to operate the radars and long-range fox-3s because it was too much for one person irl

obviously that's not relevant for turnfight

and even then you could simplify the electronics to "point and shoot" which avoids the need for a second pilot, which makes a single-player f-14 reasonable

but a b-17 has 10 crew, 4 of whom's sole job was to operate the guns

thus to make a single-player bomber you'd have to simplify away all the guns (which is what the current auto system is)

[young dagger]

all we want is the ability to control where the guns are aiming at

[tribal thicket]

and how do you plan to do that

[young dagger]

same system as FPS games, make the guns point in a way that satisfies the user's aim, even though the user is looking from a different spot than the guns

[tame lake]

how is the rear turret of a b17 going to aim ahead of the plane

[tribal thicket]

lmao

[umbral dawn]

by not aiming

[young dagger]

as I said, they will only aim as far as they can. If they can't fullfil the aim, they don't shoot

[tame lake]

wouldnt that be most of the time

wait @olive hemlock what if you made normal mouse movement control flying for bombers and have the right click + drag control the aiming of guns

[olive hemlock]

yeah, I think that would be best

[tribal thicket]

honestly if you must do manual aiming i like the coop idea best

[young dagger]

I agree on that but why not also let your guns be useable when not right clicking? Like, as I'm telling my plane to turn in the direction I am looking, why can't I tell my guns to shoot in the way I am looking? It would make things way easier

[tribal thicket]

guns aren't constrained by what direction the pilot's looking

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock also, since F-15's intakes close slightly for supersonic flight, do you want me to make them variable or just keep them simple

[tribal thicket]

in fact that system is basically nerfing the b-17 because you can never shoot behind lol

[olive hemlock]

please make them simple, I could add complexity later

[young dagger]

🤦‍♂️
bruh I think you miss the point

[tribal thicket]

why can't I tell my guns to shoot in the way I am looking

[young dagger]

I can look behind me in-game without right clicking

I do it quite a lot

I don't understand why view limiting is defaulted on

[tame lake]

what do you mean?

[young dagger]

it is defaulted as "on"

[tame lake]

oh its probably to prevent new users from doing high g manuevers

and stalling

[young dagger]

it doesn't prevent either of those things, in the end bc they just keep adjusting their view

[tame lake]

it does limit your ability to over g

[umbral dawn]

guys when we get the tomcat in game we can do a realistic lancaster vs f14 dogfight

the lancaster will win 100% of the time

[olive hemlock]

it prevents new users from getting totally out of control (camera in front of plane), regardless of the speed and G forces

[young dagger]

hmm, fair enough

[tame lake]

why?

[umbral dawn]

the lancaster is on the f14s 6

so clearly its winning

[olive hemlock]

it's not the plane, it's the pilot

[young dagger]

why does the lancaster have rocket boosters

[umbral dawn]

its a very histroically acurate one

[tribal thicket]

tail gunner had taco bell

[hardy osprey]

It is The one Used by the RAF on D-DAY in Normandy France, WW2.

[hardy osprey]

what

😭

Im so excited to see it finished. Also can the guns pls have a non-aimbot option for manual aim?

[umbral dawn]

we were talking about this

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock I'm reworking the model. Is 594 tris OK for the nose+canopy alone?

[hardy osprey]

what the bot-shooting

[hardy osprey]

what is this from 😭

[umbral dawn]

its for an acer monitor

*asus

[hardy osprey]

what war is it meant to be though 😭

I dont remember f14s being in WW2

[tribal thicket]

there were

i was there

[hardy osprey]

what

[hardy osprey]

no they did not

[hardy osprey]

really

[tribal thicket]

you weren't even there

[olive hemlock]

it's too hard to say. the only triangle count that matters is the whole plane after GLTF export

I recommend a 20-vertex cylinder for the fuselage

[hardy osprey]

I have heard the stories from family though

why do u think the lancaster arvo's details are so important to me?

[umbral dawn]

its a joke..

[tribal thicket]

no it's true

[hardy osprey]

Im not joking

[tribal thicket]

i still remember when they lost control of the f-14 prototype and had to intercept it with the rocket lancaster

[hardy osprey]

I thank you for your service Sir, Ma'am, or Other. 🫡

[young dagger]

yeah, I do 20 vertex for fuselage, 14 for canopy

[young dagger]

Current progress (unoptimized)

[hardy osprey]

nice

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock I'm almost done with the model. Somehow, it has better shape, and way less triangles. I can also optimize it tomorrow

@olive hemlock 2708 tris, but unoptimised yet (fully remade btw)

[olive hemlock]

thanks, this is cool!

[hardy osprey]

Bro its more then cool, Its epic

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock irl F-15 can hold 4 x AIM-7s and 4 x AIM-9s. I think for balance purposes, the 4 x AIM-9Xs are enough

[umbral dawn]

it also has a smokeless motor

and tvc

[craggy finch]

Has anyone modelled the p-51 yet or is planning to model it soon?

[olive hemlock]

I might prefer 2 AIM9 and 2 AIM7

[young dagger]

Sounds good

[young dagger]

we'll need chaff then 😄

[umbral dawn]

looks like a worm

do we have a model for the sparrow/aim7

[young dagger]

I'll make it

[umbral dawn]

looks very much like a sparrow

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock I scaled it (A-10 fuselage is 16.26 meters, AIM-7 is 3.7, I scaled the A-10 fuselage by 3.7/16.26, and scaled the sparrow to be the same length)

I, [SSL] sirsnow (sirsnowrepuls_13198), hereby license AIM7Sparrow.blend © 2026 under CC-BY 4.0.

[olive hemlock]

thanks so much! note: the intention of all models is to be to scale in blender. 1m = 1m. it shouldn't be necessary to scale based on A10. is the A10 not to scale?

* btw, the easiest way to measure scale of a plane is wingspan, which is far less ambiguous than length

[umbral dawn]

um

😭

[young dagger]

Ah, ok, makes sense, thanks

[young dagger]

🐿️

[umbral dawn]

we should name all of the mats around squirrel

[young dagger]

fixed

[umbral dawn]

Will bombs be impletments in the game soon?

like 1-2 months from now

[olive hemlock]

there is no ETA but probably yes, eventually

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock I have properly scaled the F-15 (see the object called "plane" which was my basis for the wingspan-derived scaling) and added the AIM-9X, AIM-7, and Vulcan (although for the vulcan the one thing I wasn't sure of was when-the-rounds-should-end/range) araments, as well as the flares. The pilot was obviously unscaled.

Unfortunately, it has 3.5k vertices

still better than 6k though 💀

still not ideal

[olive hemlock]

that's a good starting point, i usually optimize a bit

[young dagger]

@tribal thicket it's not the best design but I think it's good enough in terms of accuracy

Also yes that's a very accurate loadout with 12 AIM-7s on the wings

[umbral dawn]

i might make some weapons

like the agm65

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock btw, do you want hardpoints for the missiles on the underbelly?

[olive hemlock]

sure but only ~4 missiles worth

[mortal token]

I might model a HellFire

[young dagger]

sounds good but I'm not sure what place if would have in the (current) game
though maybe one day squirrel will have the time and inspiration to make the ground missions he mentioned

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock are you OK with sharing finalized game files for planes? I would like to fix an issue in the J-7 model.

[olive hemlock]

reminder to everyone: this is copyrighted work by sirsnow, licensed under CC BY 4.0, with modifications by me

[young dagger]

thanks, I fixed it:

[hardy osprey]

🔥

[hardy osprey]

💀 💀

[young dagger]

@olive hemlock I'm not sure if your game system has an air density feature yet or not. IRL, jets don't ever get hypoxia, they just physically can't climb past a certain extent due to the air being thin

Perhaps if you do ever model a system that allows it, the air density can also help determine the plane's speed at variable heights

[hardy osprey]

hmm

[tribal thicket]

the jet doesn't get hypoxia but the pilot does

[hardy osprey]

dont they get hypoxia at 5000m?

[umbral dawn]

well they have oxygen masks

for jets

and some props

[hardy osprey]

hmmm

[tribal thicket]

well then the mf1 should be able to hit 50k ft

[hardy osprey]

💀

[umbral dawn]

should lvl 7 jets get radar missiles?

[hardy osprey]

yes

can u give level 2 Zeros bombs pls just for ships :D

[young dagger]

No, they are just fine as is with infared missiles. Now, on the other hand, lvl 8, with Eurofighter and maybe F-15, shoudl get radar missiles

[young dagger]

and B-17 should also get them, then (maybe A-10, too)
if bombs do ever get added

[hardy osprey]

yes, also PLS give boat crash physics so I can Kamikaze the boats in the Zero, P L E A S E :D

[young dagger]

good idea bad reason

[hardy osprey]

wdym bad reason 😭

[hardy osprey]

yes pls

[young dagger]

i didnt make the zero for people to kill their own virtual pilots in

[hardy osprey]

oh